veteran-class

[calm shard]

I play gun psyker too much to have never done funny agri revolver

[golden flicker]

i am running plasma gun and i was wondering if i should use it for elites and bosses or not that's really it

[sharp epoch]

wat mode

[golden flicker]

damnation, trying to practice for havoc runs later

[sharp epoch]

havoc you cant waste ammo on bosses, I only use for ranged elites and specials you can also do it for grouped ragers/maulers

[golden flicker]

awesome

[warm schooner]

rather than use it for killing, you can also use it to shift aggro focus onto you

sometimes some of the bosses have healing modifiers and it will help things to kite bosses away

or just to seperate them period

also depending on the mods firing into the horde can help keep things under control if the team is lacking wave clear, especially if your team is deferring all ammo pickups to you

(assuming plasma)

[calm shard]

which recon lasgun has better boss damage

the VIc or whatever the fast one is

[fading yarrow]

Pardon me frens, might anyone with a Havoc 35 mind helping me get a downless run?

I've only got a clearance of 13 and don't really feel like climbing back up to 40

[tall torrent]

VIc

[void dragon]

is uncanny strike and lacerate/flesh tearer the only worth mentioning blessings combo for the combat blade?

[hollow ibex]

for mk3 it's just uncanny + lacerate

mk6 can prob do uncanny + precog/riposte/FT/lacerate

[void dragon]

if you were running onslaught, would you still take uncanny?

[hollow ibex]

yeah i don't think there's actually that much overlap in use cases despite them doing somewhat similar things

[void dragon]

so its always uncanny + lacerate to make use of bleed benefiting of rending

[hollow ibex]

that's how i'd run it yeah

if you do mk3

serrated blade and weapon specialist are very important

[tame lodge]

Nah I'd never use bleed

[humble sparrow]

Lets go

4,500 penance points finally

[unreal nova]

Still nice on the 6, heh.

[fading yarrow]

Since when did Vigil Station Oblivium have a Scripture spawn smack dab in the data interrogation rotation

And the thing is, we had gotten the prior two areas' Radios; I had sniffed out every other spawn leading up to the final room and I thought the chamber right before the final medicae was the last possible spawn, so I was terribly confused

Thankfully a Big Man I was with found the last Radio in the aforementioned smack dab location, a lit room with cots

[unreal nova]

Just Fatshark things.

I just assume they can show at any item spawn point.

Would explain the weird clipping at times.

Or the point where they spawn outside the map.

[fading yarrow]

Speaking of:

Personally I think live_event_label:N/A has been quite fun

I like the Radio minigame and don't really understand the complaints about it, plus the Radio Operator is cool

[rough stream]

I’m having trouble navigating hordes and running out of stamina. To be clear: am I to exhaust dodges while corralling them, or do I dodge special attacks decisively ?

[austere mica]

Use dodges intelligently

Don’t just spam them

Or do

That works versus trash but when you have to deal with mixed start thinking

[rough stream]

so shove and then sprint/slide away ?

[austere mica]

No

Kiting is a last resort against shit you actually cannot handle

[grand perch]

saved that guys bacon there

[normal sparrow]

It used to be there, but moved to said location
To the room besides activation switch on top

[cobalt lance]

Explain weapon rolls to me

I thought weapons only differed by power rating

[summer mason]

all perks can be found in the mastery tab

everything can be modified

except blessing rolls on accessories

[grand perch]

Power rating is basically meaningless

It's just an indicator of how upgraded the weapon is once you're max mastery

Fully upgraded, 300 of 500 points will be the weapon stats, and how these 300 points are distributed is what matters, and that's called rolls

Typically you want 80 in 4 stats and 60 on the remaining stat, which is called the dump stat

[cobalt lance]

What's the best stat to dump?

[grand perch]

Weapon dependant, check the pins for the guide on that

Spoiler: you never want to dump damage except on zealots flamer

[unreal nova]

I dumped mobility.

Flees.

[grand perch]

You're not fleeing fast enough with that mobility dump

[unreal nova]

Switches to dueling sword. FLEES.

But really, dumping mobility still works for me.

[grand perch]

It's a miniscule amount of dodge and often the preferred dump, it's just that flamer in particular is where damage does even less

[unreal nova]

I know, but if I'm lagging and am blind to debuffs... XD

[cobalt lance]

Can't believe I've been using supbar weapons all this time

[pseudo fiber]

I hope when the next Vet weapon releases it also has a really annoying dump stat

[rocky jacinth]

I hope all weapon stats get reworked so there's no simple choice for a dump stat on any of them

[grand perch]

@tired egret but with three values

And each value has an annoying decimal so you have to test for each

[pseudo fiber]

Hell fucking yeah

[vernal ermine]

Guys, What is your prefered Infanterie autogun ?

[woven cove]

They should give veteran the skitarii gun that shoots radioactive bullets.

You mag dump once and die from radiation poisoning.

[vernal ermine]

And this gun Deals Radioactive damage over time indefinetly?

[pseudo fiber]

Vraks

[grand perch]

Vrak is crack

it destroys people

highly addictive to use

[vernal ermine]

Ok cool

Thanks ^^

[calm shard]

I usually use agripinaa these days

much better range than vraks even if it has lower dps and ammo

[dry cloak]

Break points are better. Even if the difference is small

[calm shard]

break points on vraks when I introduce 10 meters of distance between me and the enemy

(it has lost half its damage)

[normal bay]

Columnus by beloved

(Someone will now tell me how it's the absolute worst option)

[dry cloak]

Its decent

Imo its miles better than vraks in terms of handling

[normal bay]

I'll take it

[tame lodge]

It's the worst option

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-into-the-spiderverse-spider-gif-638365617460872098

Agripina iag my goat

[tired cargo]

I'm just here to ask for some small advice, I have already seen a lot of YouTube videos and also I have my own knowledge of what is the most important stats for different weapons.

but the most recent video I've seen explaining stats, what has been changed was in 2024.

what is more important for a veteran? the damage stat or the movement stat

[steep grail]

damage

[tired cargo]

because I'm agreeing with the video back then it seems to still be true there's not much different between 60 and 80 in regards to damage at least on some weapons for example on the chain sword

[tame lodge]

But do you know how damage is calculated

[tame lodge]

And why is important to have 80 damage

[normal bay]

Some weapons need 80 damage to meet breakpoints

And the difference between 60 and 80 mobility just doesn't matter

[tired cargo]

look at this the damage is not that much less it's literally 26 less damage

[steep grail]

yea but there's like

[tired cargo]

and that's that is not that important compared to the shredder status

[steep grail]

no difference between 60 and 80 mobility

you may as well just take the damage

[tired cargo]

see that's where you're wrong some weapons seems to either be minus or at least neutral if you don't have above 60 movement

so you straight up move slower with the weapon versus if it's 80 you gain a speed Boost

but for some reason this is something I hate in the game even though I have 80 movement on this chain sword I don't have the maximum movement which is advertised

[tame lodge]

Congratulations
You just lost Groaners and Poxwalkers breakpoints

[normal bay]

A maxed out heavy attack on a heavy sword does what? 300ish damage supposedly?

It one shots a 4000hp mutant

Those numbers don't mean much lol

[tired cargo]

first off how is that relevant to for example the chain sword here if you're talking about the difference between 80 and 60 in damage I have no idea how much of a difference there is I haven't tried at all the heavy sword

and second straight up the video I saw which was over an hour long when into great detail of how little damage actually impacts a lot of Weapons it's basically weapons that are powered because the powers that is way more important than the damage stat

look at the stats and how big of a difference there is between the lowest and the biggest number that will increase damage

[tame lodge]

But did the video explain how damage is calculated when interacting with the enemies

And what do you mean powered?

Chainsword isn't a power weapon

[tired cargo]

yes it did and he did in fact cover how like I am saying some weapons only loses a small amount of damage like 10 to 20 damage between 60 and 80 versus some weapons that can loses up to 100 to 200

[tired cargo]

the shredder stat is when you power it when using the special action button

[unreal nova]

If the guy believes in his own mind things, just let him. No point in stressing over someone who believes in false or incomplete info.

[tame lodge]

You're not using the chainsword Revved 100% of the time

[normal bay]

I'm trying to show you that looking at a 26 damage difference and saying it doesn't seem like much. Isn't really accurate when you account for all the modifiers and buffs.

And while it isn't a massive difference it can help with breakpoints on enemies. IE, one less swing to kill.

While 60-80 mobility will give you a minor % increase to sprint or dodge distance you won't notice in game. Hence why it's generally a dump stat

But mobility is essentially a meaningless number between 60-80. You have the same dodges

[calm shard]

did you know that almost every weapon in the game hits a breakpoint by about 20 damage

[tired cargo]

I'm not saying damage is completely useless even on for example this chain sword but it's less important than more dodge and increase in mobility speed

[calm shard]

as in it takes less swings or shots to kill something

by that tiny amount of damage

I have a 79 damage recon lasgun on my vet because I cba to get a better one

[tall torrent]

Mobility from 60% to 80% is not extra dodge

[tired cargo]

yes I in fact am

[tame lodge]

Nah it's not less important than mobility

[calm shard]

and it means I don't one shot headshot stalkers with exe stance :)

[tall torrent]

It’s usually around 3% faster sprint speed at best

[tired cargo]

the only ones I don't use it on is weak enemies which usually die anyway in one headshot or two body hits

[tame lodge]

Oh so you're not using 100% of the time

[normal bay]

That must take a while to kill 20 poxwalkers

[tame lodge]

[unreal nova]

The only time you dump damage is if you are brain damaged or it's the flamer.

And even then, you can just also dump mobility on the flamer.

[tired cargo]

it is because now I have been experimenting myself and when I use some of my weapons which have as low as 20 mobility because they haven't been in powered yet I am basically slogging around and unable to dodge even week infected enemies vs 80 mobility where I can just dodge all I want

[calm shard]

I think more importantly

What difficulty are they playing on where the game is not punishing this behaviour?

[tired cargo]

this might be just a flavor thing especially depending on what weapons a player prefer but I prefer to play light and defensively

[tall torrent]

60 vs 80 mobility is nowhere as big of a difference

You’re looking at 2% dodge distance and ~3% faster sprint bonus

[calm shard]

I think even Malice would slap you pretty hard for spamming chainsword specials

[tame lodge]

Plz don't tell me you're struggling to dodge weak enemies

[tired cargo]

but that goes for damage as well? because as you can see it's 26 less damage that is literally not going to impact anything

[steep grail]

that does impact things though

[tame lodge]

How do you play with weapon with worse dodges

[unreal nova]

Unless you are getting carried, I guess.

[tired cargo]

if the difference between 60 and 80 damage meant 100 more damage yeah I will always go for that

[tame lodge]

60 damage loses breakpoints on horde enemies

It's impacting

[calm shard]

The funny thing is that 60 to 80 mobility actually doesn't change anything about dodges. So this is entirely placebo

[tame lodge]

Considering that Chainsword with 80 damage is pretty good against hordes

[unreal nova]

They fail to think of multipliers.

[tall torrent]

Because of the way total damage is calculated from different accumulating damage bonuses, I wouldn’t recommend dumping damage in majority of cases

[dreamy scaffold]

80 mobility, where a small dodge on stairs will send you 40 feet

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1363228717375160411/Screenshot_2025-04-19_150404.png?ex=680c856d&is=680b33ed&hm=a61b89548837d249933fc36079a788393eb733e3c10ca75663e1114629daf0e0&

See this image for a brief idea of how damage stacking works

[tired cargo]

let's look at these two different combat axes I have

[tired cargo]

one has absolutely terrible mobility and the other one absolutely terrible damage

[calm shard]

you are being told by someone who is literally making a steam guide with the datamined damage calculations that the game actually uses to determine your damage that you are wrong

and you are still digging in your heels

[tall torrent]

Congratulations you discovered what first target does

[tired cargo]

looking at the damage side by side even though one of them is not fully empowered in damage so it's only 32 not 60 it's only a difference of 30 Something damage in both heavy attack and light attack

[unreal nova]

Digging their own grave slowly.

[dreamy scaffold]

30 is a lot

[tired cargo]

no it's not?

[tall torrent]

First target impacts the displayed damage value a lot more than “damage” does

And for combat axes, given they quite literally don’t function properly without 1-hit breakpoints for brutal momentum

Maxing damage is non-negotiable

[tired cargo]

and I bet you when this axes is empowered so damage stat is 60? the only difference is going to be once again something like 20 maybe 25 less damage which is nothing that will one shot all common infected in the head and might even kill some with a body hit and if not? it's just one more hit

[dreamy scaffold]

why would damage ever be a dump stat in any game

[earnest dew]

It actually does if can enemy takes let's say 50 damage to kill something, and your weapon does 49 damage, that's two hits to kill something(if nothing else is doing dmg like DoTs). vs doing 50 damage and just killing something in one hit which makes things go faster. At 60 mobility you always have enough dodge distance to dodge a trapper.

[tired cargo]

one more hit is not a f****** huge difference versus being able to dodge in indefinitely I have played a lot of vermintide 2 and a lot of Dark Tide and in both games dodging is so important

[unreal nova]

It can be. For stupid meme melee soulblaze builds. Or Flamer.

[normal bay]

I don't think he's reading/understanding the replies at this point

[dreamy scaffold]

isnt he kind of repeating the same statements?

[tall torrent]

Look at mobility

It’s only 2% better dodge distance

Which is 0.05m for veteran & zealot

And 0.04m for psyker

[normal bay]

You have the same number of dodges at 60 as you do at 80

It only affects the distance and sprint speed by a meaningless %

[tall torrent]

Ask yourself if 0.05m better dodge really makes that big of a difference

[calm shard]

oh hang on this is provably false and quickly so lemme go grab a 60 damage axe

[earnest dew]

One more hit can literally be the difference of you eating a crusher overhead when your dodges are exhausted.

[unreal nova]

More like, they are the sort going "I'm ALWAYS right. My opinions is correct and all of you are wrong and you should listen to me!".

[calm shard]

hey wow he doesn't die

but the damage one sure does kill him

[steep grail]

my curio lineup on vet is two toughness and a stam

should i have an hp curio

[tired cargo]

I don't think that's true? at least not with all weapons, because I'm looking at some of my weapons and the Dodge after reaching a certain point will go from maximum 3 dodges to 4 Dodgers

[unreal nova]

That's at 60.

[tired cargo]

then what about the mobility increase? for some build like knife bleeding you need high mobility

[earnest dew]

You don't really

You can knife tech lunge

[unreal nova]

You just dump mobility. Just learn the heavy attack while sprinting move tech.

[earnest dew]

plus you should have amounts of stamina efficeny from curios

[tired cargo]

don't you? because you want as much mobility as possible that's literally how some people are able to beat a mission in 10 minutes or less

[normal bay]

Up to you really, most will run what you have currently, 1 stam + 2 toughness. Vet gets a lot from toughness due a high base stat.

Not sure about havoc

[earnest dew]

It's not from high mobility

it's from them abusing the games mechanics

such as knife lunge tech

stam curios

some classes just being naturally faster than others

[unreal nova]

That's speedrunning. Doing that in pubs is an arsehole move though. Better done on Zealot as well.

[steep grail]

i do not play havoc Yet

[tired cargo]

yeah here it seems like it's gonna require two headshots anyway to kill with or without 80 damage

[calm shard]

except important distinction here

the damage one one shot headshots on crit

[grand perch]

That's a lot of messages, someone must have had badly informed opinions

By the emperor, I was right

[dreamy scaffold]

i click 2 times i cramp

too mych work

[tired cargo]

that is true, I have not seen anyone speedrun with a veteran knife usually Zealot

[unreal nova]

Guy dumps damage for Mobility basically.

[unreal nova]

Because Zealot naturally is faster.

[calm shard]

4 hits to kill a crusher with damage dump

[tall torrent]

In the best case, ~0.2m/s faster sprint bonus

[earnest dew]

I will say as I mained knife for a time, mobility is completely pointless and should be left at 60. You're better off getting damage as something dead is better than needed to exhaust a dodge on something still alive from low damage.

[calm shard]

3 without

[tall torrent]

Which is around 3% faster sprint speed at best

It doesn’t matter enough

Again, refer to the damage stacking table I sent

[calm shard]

also notice that it actually loses 74 damage per hit against crushers for having 60 damage

and that's enough to make it take an extra swing

and far more than what the stats advertise

[tired cargo]

yeah like I'm saying it's essentially one more hit with most weapons if you don't go fully 80 damage

but I care about being able to dodge, the distance, and how many times I can do it.

[calm shard]

none of which 60 to 80 mobility affects substantially

[unreal nova]

And yes, I'm a weird build knoife main. You have to understand the number you see is the base, and you have multipliers increasing it further.

[tall torrent]

Dodge effects are more or less the same

[unreal nova]

Knoife gets way more on headstabs, backstabs and crits.

[earnest dew]

If I also remember correctly bleed damage are also based on the weapon's damage.

[tired cargo]

listen here's how I play and I'm not going to be convinced that's just the fact on range weapons movement speed is the dumpstead and on melee weapons unless the difference is really huge damage is the dumpstad because when I have my melee weapon out I want to be able to dodge without problems and sprint fast when I have my gun out I don't care about movement I camp out being able to one shot

[calm shard]

you may have noticed in all my screenshots I'm using the Effective Dodge Count mod which is that 5/5 in the center of my screen

and that both combat axes have 5 effective dodges

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[earnest dew]

It's ok to be wrong.

[tall torrent]

For a weapon that specifically wants to 1 hit a few enemies, yes it matters

[tall torrent]

Please just look at what mobility actually does

[tired cargo]

it's not about being wrong, it's about playing.

let's be realistic, enemies don't stand still so you can just hit them in the head every time, so you still gonna hit them more than one shot when you actually play.

[calm shard]

yeah good idea about being realistic

here's 20 bruisers in the psykhanium

I'm gonan go through this with both axes and record it

so you can see the difference

[earnest dew]

Expect enemies are always mostly eyelevel with you

[dreamy scaffold]

perks for that

[earnest dew]

my weakspot percenteges are lik 50-65% each game.

[tall torrent]

At 60% mobility stat, most melee weapons get
+1% dodge distance
+0.09m/s sprint bonus
5 dodges

At 80% mobility, most melee weapons get
+3% dodge distance (0.05m better)
+0.27m/s sprint bonus (3% better)
5 dodges (same)

[dreamy scaffold]

unless you have max height

[tired cargo]

I can agree with that, for the axes shown I am more now inclined to consider mainly using the one with 80 damage but that's why I have two

[earnest dew]

If you you're not hitting heads, that's slowly an aiming issue.

[tall torrent]

@tired cargo see this

[earnest dew]

solely*

[dreamy scaffold]

wasnt saying there was a challenge

just.. they arent eye level with me

[earnest dew]

Sorry, that response for the other guy, my vet is short lol. I still get decent weakspot percentages.

[dreamy scaffold]

ah np

[quiet valley]

Dmg dump stat? Love seeing crazy takes in Vet chat lmao

[dreamy scaffold]

only thing we got left

higui has entered the battle

[tame lodge]

What no new weapon does to a class and their players

[dreamy scaffold]

we start critting each other

[earnest dew]

Fatshark can we have new weapons
Please
please

[tame lodge]

I mean
I was here when it started

[tired cargo]

maybe you are correct about the amount of dodges because I bought two blue shovels and one of them have Max Dodgers even though it's only 54 mobility hmmmm

[tame lodge]

Now I'm going to work so have

[tame lodge]

Fun

[tall torrent]

I know that I am
Dodges get to max at 51+% mobility (or defences, sometimes)

[unreal nova]

60 is enough for max dodges on every single weapon to date.

[quiet valley]

In other news, this gun slaps on H40

Not better than LasX but it cooks

[earnest dew]

Unless fatsharks releases some funny patch notes lol. Hey guys you get TWO extra dodges at 80% mobility. Even though no one would take it as being able to kill something is better than more dodges and taking longer to kill something.

[tall torrent]

Nah

That’d mean dumping smth else

[earnest dew]

Fair.

[tall torrent]

That doesn’t relate to damage

[unreal nova]

Def.

[tall torrent]

I would trade 2 cleave for +2 dodges

[earnest dew]

I guess you dump defense next lol.

but I personally don't need more dodges.

[unreal nova]

You dump def before mobility though?

[grand perch]

Ammo dump, useless stat anyway, just hoover up all ammo kits

[tired cargo]

then that is both a good thing and a bad thing

good thing is yeah I guess if just for the maximum amount of dodges you don't need above 60

but then the amount of reward for having maximum mobility on a weapon seems way less valuable??? why is sprint speed and dodge distance not increased further between 60 and 80?

[tame lodge]

Funny because FS buffed chain axes dodges because of the mobility dump

[tall torrent]

It is increased
0.09 -> 0.27 in most cases

[tame lodge]

[tall torrent]

It is a meaningful enough increase

[earnest dew]

I just dump mobility if nothing is different on dodges, I don't even know what defense does even now lol.

[tall torrent]

Because that’s base sprint speed

Movement speed bonuses apply on top of that

[tired cargo]

yeah but that's not enough why not round it up to a solid 1.0 increase in mobility

[tall torrent]

Buddy you’re playing a FatShark game

[grand perch]

I only remember it makes blocking cheaper, so who cares

[tall torrent]

There’re no nice numbers here

Sorry

[earnest dew]

It's nice for revives

[tame lodge]

.33 .66 .7 .01

Welcome to FS

[unreal nova]

Cheaper push atks.

[tame lodge]

[earnest dew]

Ah makes sense, then I like the defense since I used to use branx a lot and my efficient clear included PAs

[tall torrent]

Not worth, other 4 stats are better on branx

[earnest dew]

but yeah I dump that shit next if mobility is ever useful.

[steep grail]

ive taken a liking to exe stance vigilant vii

i dont even know if its good ive just never enjoyed exe stance before

[unreal nova]

It depends on the weapon tbh.

[earnest dew]

But in the end dont dump damage lmao.

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1354901937123754054/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.03.27_-_15.35.42.01.mp4?ex=67e6fa42&is=67e5a8c2&hm=a47856fcac75107494cf26c7efa29737a9259fbd3e6c8760e84ac23993809fb5&

No reason to drop anything but defences for pickaxes

[steep grail]

branx is absolutely hilarious

[earnest dew]

Ah i've been enlightened this day.

[unreal nova]

Yep. You can argue between def, mobility and collateral.

[grand perch]

One of my favourite builds, I must have several hundred hours with exe + mf vigi 7

[tired cargo]

I know, I've been playing their games for 5 years

[tall torrent]

https://youtu.be/oxzHrczoP5s

[tired cargo]

[tall torrent]

U can do smth similar with Borovian pickaxe

[calm shard]

torment gaming?

[tall torrent]

Roughly 10% worse boss dps for better mixed horde

[steep grail]

it feels similar to huntsman kruber which is weird because it isnt even stealth

[earnest dew]

Alright, been fun. I got to go to work in this SOCIETY.

[steep grail]

i just really REALLY like elite sniping i think

[grand perch]

I don't know about that, haven't played Kruber really. All I know is you can get beeg numbers if you fully commit to glass cannon vigi 7 and that tickles my dopamine

[unreal nova]

Laters.

[steep grail]

i do quite like fat damage numbers

[calm shard]

only success I've had with glass cannon vet in anything other than just auric is recon lasgun

[steep grail]

havent really tried any other glass cannon vet builds extensively besides this one

[tall torrent]

Exe boltgun

[steep grail]

would need a path for it

but definitely willing to try it

[unreal nova]

Asking Path for a path. Funni.

[spark cipher]

"I am steve, as a child I yearned for the mines"

btw is that a mod to have enemies that aren't just dummies in the meat grinder?

[tall torrent]

Creature spawner

[grand perch]

you could do something like this

[primal scarab]

hello

what blessings to use on assault chainsword for vet?

because they all seem good

[steep grail]

rampage shred

imo

[spark cipher]

cons: you're still using a chainsword

[calm shard]

most of them are bad

shred/rampage is your best damage

[primal scarab]

the bleeding stacks one seems like a good boss burster

[calm shard]

and almost all the others are gimmicks, or unnecessary

problem

bleed doesn't do good boss damage

[primal scarab]

Mhm

[calm shard]

and chainsword special is slow

and low damage

[spark cipher]

2 damage per stack per tick

assuming all sources of bleed do the same damage anyway

[calm shard]

not how that works. DoTs stack exponentially

[primal scarab]

is wrath worth running than shred, since vet has a lot of crit chance anyway?

for big hordes

[calm shard]

chainsword doesn't need it

its cleave is basically the only good thing about it

[primal scarab]

second mark, right?

[calm shard]

XIIIg

[dry cloak]

the the 13g

[calm shard]

anyways here's bolt pistol puncture bleed

[primal scarab]

yes, thank you

[calm shard]

one hit does 29 per tick

[primal scarab]

and for the traits, flak armoured and carapce?

[calm shard]

2 hits does 94 per tick

[tame lodge]

Shred+ Wrath/Rampage

[dry cloak]

you and your cursed guns

[tame lodge]

Shred>>>>

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/cta-gif-27652056

[tame lodge]

Chainsword carries the finesse bonus to all targets hit

The more you CRIT the better

[primal scarab]

Mhm, got it

perks are flak and carapace, or unyielding can work too?

[calm shard]

standard flak maniac

because chainsword can't kill anything that isn't unarmored/infested and flak/maniac are the most common things outside of that

[spark cipher]

oh ok, just know with serreted blade active I saw 2s

[dry cloak]

dusted my antax and took it for a ride

good to use caxe from time to time

[calm shard]

would be 2 on 1 stack

but serrated blade got buffed so it's now 2 stacks on hit which is 8

and then 4 stacks is 26

[spark cipher]

oh? do all dots stack like that?

[calm shard]

yeah

[spark cipher]

I didn't know if procs did damage based off of the source that caused it or the amount of them active

[calm shard]

anyways the reason it's 29 on my psyker and 26 on my vet

for 4 stacks of bleed

I have +flak damage on my bolt pistol

and that's applying to the bleed damage

[primal scarab]

thank you

[trim badger]

I mean nothing out of the ordinary

Shout with gold toughness
Iron Will
At least 1 +25 toughness node
2 toughness + 1 stam curios

Go early middle tree for an extra 33% resistance for just being in close range to teammates

I'd suggest shredder with out for blood as well if you don't wanna go early middle tree

As keystone you could use WS with on your toes but I think that last one is a waste

[tall torrent]

https://images.steamusercontent.com/ugc/14181849660203942/ADEFDFEF43739D81EBA7057BE2F8506953C69419/

[tame lodge]

Tunnel Vision with Out for Blood

You stay half the match crouched with Camo

[tame lodge]

Common bleed L

[heavy rover]

i personally like running the route of shout -> Iron Will -> Focus Target -> Target Down. For curios I do 2 toughness and 1 stamina

[woven cove]

So close.

[calm shard]

running a havoc smoke grenade build

team wipes to twins because they all run away from the smoke the instant they spawn

why

this is the build btw

honestly probably going to take out for blood instead

[native ocean]

My theory is that players are too used to treating smoke as a bad guy weapon, so they just subconsciously presume the smoke offers them no benefit

[calm shard]

I have played 2 games with smokes instead of shredders and both I have gotten pretty huge value out of them

They stall captains super hard

[void dragon]

It's also the case that's quite hard to see in it

[native ocean]

Do they just stand inside the smoke? I've never actually tried

[calm shard]

It's hard to see through it if you are outside of it

It is not hard to see if you are inside of it

If you cannot see through the smoke. You are not standing in it

[native ocean]

What weapons are you using w this?

[calm shard]

I was using plasma+power sword

[native ocean]

Nice

Very good build

[calm shard]

Gun twin and captains will both just run around in the smoke confused

If you get too close to captains like ~3 meters of them they'll pull their melee out

[native ocean]

Real

[calm shard]

You're not going to stall them forever, but it stops them from shooting at you as they close the distance, and keeps them from being a problem for a bit longer when they do inevitably close in

[native ocean]

Makes sense considering smokes are great for shutting down groups of ranged mobs

And you're running shout which is arguably better cc than shredder frags could ever be

[calm shard]

it isn't

shredders kill everything

the opportunity cost of not taking shredders, and the point tax to get to ammo aura are the real things that kill smokes in havoc

[native ocean]

Don't they struggle with killing carapace?

[calm shard]

not if you use a weapon with uncanny

[native ocean]

True

[grand perch]

rare radio operator spotted

thought it was just another gunner at first

[tame lodge]

Damn
I know the muhfuh huge but damn

The muhfuh huge

[native ocean]

So big his mates call him a pox burster

[calm shard]

https://imgur.com/a/O1FT7vx twins fight but smoke completely disables gun twin for the entire fight

[native ocean]

Dirty fighting at its finest, I love it

[calm shard]

bad grenades by the way

[native ocean]

Seriously overhated yeah

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah smokes I think is equal to shredders in Havoc in isolation

The problem is that it's hard to get both survivalist and smokes 😭

[tame lodge]

"I'm going to put some smoke in your eyes"

[native ocean]

I think every class except ogryn has an overhated build

[grand perch]

yeah he big https://youtu.be/eifodrRhT9M

[orchid hemlock]

hu.....MONGUS?????🎴🎴🎴🎴

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/rannick-darktide-rannick-darktide-among-us-rannick-among-us-gif-5291651355473045582

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/akira-leave-me-alone-leave-me-alone-meme-gif-6420351794930725971

[fervent quest]

The radio scab is weird looking, likely oddly huge. Doesn't even look like he's supposed to be big, comes across like a technical error and his render scale is too large

[calm shard]

he had surgery to get taller

[keen cipher]

Whats the deal with so many ppl starting malestorm, rush forward, die alone and leave.... so many games like that..

[faint wedge]

pubbies, pubbies never change

[hollow ibex]

knife zealot?

[keen cipher]

probably, but i seen someone with 1000+ rank doinig it so...

[lusty ether]

you have to practice well for practice to matter

[trim badger]

For some reason unless I'm playing solo knife feels bad on Zealot

But a lot better on veteran

[dry cloak]

heh started using knife out of boredom

[hollow ibex]

even with martyrdom?

martyrdom makes any melee weapon funni

[sharp epoch]

because at that level malestroms are boring prob so they just yolo

[prisma herald]

what does the radio operator do?

also, the books look pretty cool but stupid at the same time

[woven cove]

Lost my head.

[slow spade]

Its in your portrait on the bottom left

Easy mistake to make

[spark cipher]

What happens after you insult Sefoni

[tame lodge]

Apparently spawn some Specialists and basic shooters

[spark cipher]

So a weaker version of the boomer from left 4 dead

or maybe more like the cut screamer

[prisma herald]

i am glad that no one is vomiting on me in this game

[spark cipher]

[prisma herald]

true, i forgot about the vomiting slug fella

[woven cove]

Psyker with bubble be like: "What vomit?"

[hollow ibex]

soap bubbles are effective against vomit

[normal bay]

Players you think would know better too

I had about 3 leavers that last auric mael lol

[woven cove]

I always wait for randoms if they lag behind a little.

I'm currently playing veteran with 5% speed node and 5% speed aura, I kinda have to wait for everyone, lol.

I am zooming everywhere.

Also got a talent that gives damage from sprinting, it's funny.

[hollow ibex]

skirmisher?

please don't take skirmisher

[woven cove]

I took it.

Too late.

I also have infiltrate and the talent that gives speed when someone goes down, I am the Flash.

[hollow ibex]

mistakes were made.

[lament venture]

About "Competitive Urge" ; Base Damage, is it increase range damage?

[woven cove]

Everyone just stands around inside elevators and I keep running around to keep up skirmisher stacks.

[hollow ibex]

Idk but it’s a bad talent

[woven cove]

Veteran got the zoomies.

[hollow ibex]

Both competitive urge and skirmisher

[tame lodge]

If it's unspecified then it's all damage

[hollow ibex]

They should really make skirmisher work on dodges and slides

Fucking stupid the way it’s currently set up

[orchid hemlock]

Decent

😔

[hollow ibex]

competing with rending strikes (always on) / BID (substantial boost against some pretty dangerous enemies)

[tame lodge]

Decent instead of must pick

[narrow frost]

Would be funny in havoc

Considering the enemy density

[dawn garnet]

vet people

do kraks stagger green beasts of nurgle?

@tall torrent u online?

[tall torrent]

ya

[tall torrent]

idk

I can't be bothered to attempt to test that

am lazy

[narrow frost]

Real

[woven cove]

Watching a veteran with a knife dance around enemies and dodge right into a pit.

Very entertaining.

And their character is like "Laugh it up", oh I will.

[wraith locust]

Does scoreboard still incorrectly calculate damage

PowerDI is what I used to use but isn’t working for me rn

[narrow frost]

PowerDI is the most accurate, but the scoreboard is mostly correct

[void dragon]

Is a rating of "decent" the equivalent of "it's dodo trash"?

[tame lodge]

Nope

It's the equivalent to "I got points left but nothing else to spend on"

[void dragon]

What's the rating for kraks and smoke nades?

[native ocean]

krak good, smoke nade decent and overhated

[tall torrent]

decent as in, "I wouldn't fault u for taking it"

[native ocean]

smoke's main drawbacks are people not knowing how to use them and the point tax it introduces for survivalist

[void dragon]

"but would judge you, I mean Reciprocity is right there!"

[tall torrent]

wat

what's that gotta do with reciprocity

[tall torrent]

krak good
smoke decent

[void dragon]

Just a jest, considering there is a lot of other options that are usually seem more optimal in a general PoV

[tall torrent]

peak
good
decent
(niche)
pathing only
not worth taking

that's the general order in rating

[grand perch]

skirmisher (peak)

[void dragon]

Thanks, where do stuff like onslaught and the "extra crit while aiming but cost stamina" are in? Niche?

[tall torrent]

Yez

[tame lodge]

Skirmisher? More like Trash-er

https://tenor.com/view/it-has-to-be-thrasher-nik-nocturnal-it-must-be-the-band-thrasher-its-from-thrasher-gif-27414191

[grand perch]

no best talent bro trust me

[void dragon]

Seriously, why sliding doesn't count? The sprint time for it to charge is so high

[grand perch]

pick it while going deep weapon spec with all subnodes

[faint beacon]

Thrasher as in, The Thrasher from Zestubou no Shima (BO3:Z)

[hearty panther]

They keep trying to fix Skirmisher without .... fixing Skirmisher.

[faint beacon]

7 more fixes to Skirmisher

[void dragon]

How so? What have they tried so far?

[hearty panther]

Just numerical buffs.

[faint beacon]

When it should be reworked

[void dragon]

Morons the lots of em

[hearty panther]

I get the idea they're going for but the execution is very lacking and it really just needs a different, more generous trigger

[void dragon]

You will never get stacks when sliding is THE way of travelling

[hearty panther]

If it actually had 100% uptime right now it would be an instant pick, but it does not.

So the numbers aren't the issue at all.

[faint beacon]

Mfw Duck and Dive triggers from all that but we won’t just do that with Skirmisher

[tall torrent]

U will have no uptime and be happy

[hearty panther]

I don't even mind the idea that it has no stacking mechanism and is only a 15~% damage buff at say, the start of an engagement and any downtime during when you're running between targets. But yeah, the fact it has no ability to trigger off sliding means it's dead in the water.

[faint beacon]

MMF and Skirmisher:

[tall torrent]

Nah if it’s only at start it’s still abysmal

[hearty panther]

But it would work.

Which is a start.

[void dragon]

MMF at least can get some stacks with infantry agun on horde, skirmisher don't see any value with everyone sliding from point A to B

[faint beacon]

You have to realize that Veterans Stamina regen delay is also higher

So you’re constantly managing lower stamina

[hearty panther]

It's like EP on Psyker right now -- it's still shit compared to the other two keystones, but at least it achieves its intended function.

Skirmisher just doesn't do anything practical

[void dragon]

So ObeseFish made so we MUST slide all time and made a perk that doesn't work while sliding? Why I'm not surprised?

[hearty panther]

It isn't boosting your damage when you're being mobile (intended purpose) and you can't even rely on it to be stacked up entirely between engagements because it has to stack and those engagement windows shorten as the difficulty goes up

Also I still stand by my theory that sliding was not meant to become the default means of locomotion when they originally launched the game.

[tame lodge]

[spring tide]

got a question for infantry lasgun, running kantrael mk7: Im having trouble deciding whether to use no respite and falter, headhunter and deadly accurate, and im currently on infernus and no respite, which of these is the most viable on damnation?

[void dragon]

That obvious, the thing is that it is

[tame lodge]

Woah woah woah
Must is a strong word

[void dragon]

And ObeseFish MUST know it

[hearty panther]

They just thought it would be cool to be able to slide into and out of cover and that was it. Remember how easy it was to slide into greebles in the environment on launch and get stuck? Lmao

Ok here's my idea

Skirmisher: X% damage gained per Y points of stamina consumed

Stacking with a duration

[tall torrent]

+10%Mdmg for 10s, stacks 5 times

[hearty panther]

Lmao

[tall torrent]

just make it slaughterer but talent

fuck it

random bullshit go

[hearty panther]

50% mdamage, 100% mcleave, 300% mimpact

[tall torrent]

nah honestly 10% (x5) Mdmg for 10s

would genuinely be strong and worth picking for most builds

[spark cipher]

Funny that I run that with brain burst

[tall torrent]

very good competition vs atk speed too

[tall torrent]

even if u make it 6% it'll still be plenty good

[void dragon]

At this point make it so it gives 10% damage when you sprinted for one second

[tall torrent]

nah

sprinting for dmg needs to go

[void dragon]

I say it as it doesn't decay until you attack

[hearty panther]

I'm still a bit flummoxed that EP Assail doesn't increase the flight time of the shard. It peaks at like 10+ target cleave per shard but they don't live long enough to actually do that

[tall torrent]

not good enough

because no combat uptime

u cannot maintain it in combat

so it's ass

[hearty panther]

Yeah idk tie it to all stamina use, so now it synergizes with Deadshot too

[void dragon]

Like is not ass currently

[calm shard]

It'd be pretty cool if sliding gave you stacks of it

That way you could maintain it by dodge sliding

[hearty panther]

Making the trigger sprint exclusively is what sucks

[calm shard]

Costs 2 effective dodges to do

[tall torrent]

srsly just make it slaughterer but talent

zealot has headtaker but talent

[calm shard]

Or that

[tall torrent]

psyker has ghost but talent

ogryn has thrust but talent

give veteran slaughterer but talent

[calm shard]

hey we have thunderous (tier 1) but talent on vet already

[void dragon]

ObeseFish: better I can do is Headhunter but talent

And it's nerfed

[tall torrent]

I genuinely think that's the best way to approach it

cuz bottom right is the one with least number of actual dmg buffs

[void dragon]

It's all crit boosts

[tall torrent]

and veteran gets taxed for agile engagement

so having an alternative Mdmg buff would be very good

[calm shard]

Oh yeah it's literally just Desperado and Skirmisher down there for raw damage

[tall torrent]

it also means it'll make some weapon scale way better for veteran than they currently do

[calm shard]

And Skirmisher is ass so

[tall torrent]

tac axe needs that extra dmg

[spark cipher]

Do you guys run the perks to expand aura radius or is it large enough by default?

[tall torrent]

not worth taking

[calm shard]

I'm not spending a skill point on that

I say as I spend skill points on smoke grenades

[void dragon]

Get close or grog off

[spark cipher]

I'm already running infil and smokes, may as well go for broke

[tall torrent]

combat axe needs that extra dmg
tac axe needs that extra dmg
etc etc

[spark cipher]

[tall torrent]

and it's kill based

[calm shard]

just give veteran a billion +weakspot damage nodes

[void dragon]

All melee weapons need the extra damage

[calm shard]

hit heads or do no damage

[tall torrent]

so it's not there outside of horde

[tall torrent]

some not rly

DS

knife

[spark cipher]

ogryns but you have to aim

[tall torrent]

it'd be good yes

[tame lodge]

"oh but I'm not hitting weakspots 100% of the time"

[tall torrent]

I think 6%Mdmg (x5 stacks) for a few seconds (at least 5s) on melee attack kill would be a good rework for skirmisher

[calm shard]

Then pick another class

[tame lodge]

[calm shard]

(This is what Marksman's Focus is like already)

[void dragon]

This again, Veteran doesn't have a Nintendo Dual Screen! And there is no other DS

[calm shard]

I feel like it wouldn't really be "skirmisher" then though. Like rename it to something different

[tall torrent]

skirmish => brutal melee with short duration

[void dragon]

Hordebreaker

[tall torrent]

I'm not against changing it to +6%Tdmg
and work off every kill

[spark cipher]

is fireteam a useful aura or am I getting kicked for not running survivalist?

[native ocean]

you got kicked?

what were you queuing up for

[tall torrent]

outside of havoc / CIVI, u usually don't need survivalist

[calm shard]

It's an okay aura, but you only run it if you already have another vet in havoc

5% damage for free on everything is 5% damage for free on everything

[void dragon]

But also 1% ammo is 100% damage on a shot

[native ocean]

you can always melee more and save shooting for unreachable ranged enemies

also @calm shard can I ask you your opinion on the close and kill aura

[void dragon]

You ask too much for the poor ammo hungry magdump rejects

Only Ogryns can grasp on the concept of using melee combat to have ammo for the gunners

[calm shard]

good aura

takes a lot of weapons +10% movespeed to outrun horde enemies

[spark cipher]

No not yet
just wondering how many slurs I'm going to be called

if I ever go into havok without survivalist

[void dragon]

If they themselves are not bringing the aura they can't play without then they are to blame

[spark cipher]

Though I do get why it can be seen as a must since I know some modifiers outright disable natural ammo pickups

on the topic of aura does multiple of the same aura stack?

[calm shard]

nope

no auras stack

[native ocean]

no

[calm shard]

however if you have a bot or very low level veteran

[native ocean]

also if you're talking about the maelstrom modifier, not even

[calm shard]

the default ammo aura stacks with the upgraded one

[void dragon]

Nope, you need to broad your builds to have the most different auras to get benefits

[void dragon]

So the optimal lugger grenadier rumbler ogryn use a low level veteran?

[native ocean]

the no ammo pickup condition always gets paired with mostly melee enemies condition so you'll barely ever need to fire your gun realistically

[spark cipher]

would be funny if there were general passive nodes in the tree that let you skip the upgrades to blitz/aura/ability
it'd be mostly useless but funny

[woven cove]

Just play psyker with staff and never need ammo.

There's your survivalist.

[void dragon]

The real survivalist everyone wants but no one wants to be is the recon lasgun that manages its own ammo to let everyone else pick the big packs

And still kills all the tox bombers and other run ending enemy specialists while 1v1 the gunner twin

[tall torrent]

below 21 ur prob fine

depends on weapon

[native ocean]

yeah that too

h21 is the loadout check for most players

[void dragon]

It's from 25 that ammo is reduced, right? Up to what % is reduced in H40?

[crimson pebble]

think its only have 50% ammo at 40 used to be 25% i think but they buffed it one rank rework thing

[tall torrent]

forgot

current ammo gain reduction is at most x40%

used to be x25% at most

[woven cove]

I see a lot of veterans use the 5% damage aura in heresy and damnation in normal mode.

[red robin]

That node bad?

Or just outclassed by survivalist and mobility?

[crimson pebble]

outclassed

[red robin]

Damn

I love mobility

[spark cipher]

same

[red robin]

I know it might be a bad take

But I take 60% dmg on combat knife for 80% mobility

I just like the nothing burger sprint speed decimals

[calm shard]

Mostly because it's a "good enough" aura and it makes getting to the rest of your skill tree cheaper

It's the best for pathing

[crimson pebble]

doesn't path shredders

doubt

[void dragon]

Frag nades and the survivalist aura sharing same pathing makes the choice quite inflexible

Granted, is not impossible to branch but the tools there are quite good to skip

Question: what was the difference between each type of lasgun? Recon and pistol seems good with ammo efficiency and high crit + mobility but what is the selling point of the others?

[calm shard]

infantry lasguns have effectively infinite ammo, even more so than recon lasgun and also get ghost as a blessing

[crimson pebble]

infernus for recon helbore absolutely doesnt ever run out of ammo

[calm shard]

Helbore does absurd damage

And also has infinite ammo

Mk IV Helbore can consistently 2 shot crushers, and even one shots them on a meme all damage build

Also tears through monstrosities

[void dragon]

I usually manage 3 tap crushes (not havoc ones tho) what exactly is needed for 2 tap?

[calm shard]

superiority complex+bring it down makes 2 crit headshots 2 tap

3 tap without crits, but you've got surgical you can force crits

or weapon specialist

[calm shard]

having the red talents that give damage whne you use your active also makes it better

and full damage meme one shotting them ofc

[void dragon]

All that is without keystones involved right? No focus fire or MMF

[calm shard]

yeah

the 2 tap is literally just get 2 crits in a row with a helbore

as long as you have superiority complex+bring it down

oh right uh

helbore in question is +Carapace, Weight of Fire+Surgical

[void dragon]

I always found it odd that folks use weight of fire and surgical when both feel counterintuitive, I kinda get it but is still odd for me

[crimson pebble]

still like a what 20% crit chance maybe only 10 or 30 inbetween shots

[calm shard]

depends on how long you take to adjust your aim

[hollow ibex]

it's kinda counterintuitive, but both are very important blessings for the two slower helbores

[calm shard]

it's usually +20% for me and I have pretty good aim

[soft trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-very-sloth-slow-gif-15401812

[hollow ibex]

i tried mkiv without weight of fire... and it was aids

and surgical's just mandatory tbh

[calm shard]

correct

[soft trellis]

Meanwhile me with my poor aim taking 5x longer to aim than you and still missing:

[calm shard]

oh don't worry

[void dragon]

I can see it downing that one rager and then preparing the next shot and then dying

[calm shard]

I'll land that shot, hear the headshot noise

and it will count as a miss because the servers said no

so I'll have to shoot again

[hollow ibex]

servers siding with the warp

[hollow ibex]

me playing the mk 7 headhunter

[void dragon]

Chaos god favouritism

[tame lodge]

Stop being so relatable

Raaaaah

[soft trellis]

ikr?

[tame lodge]

[severe vector]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-ishowspeed-gif-1290931606264393136

ive karkin done it

[manic badger]

Blessings for Dueling Sword? Precog and Uncanny or Uncanny and Thrust?

[ornate ivy]

what you like is usually best. precog uncanny is the meta

[ornate ivy]

agile is good too for infinite dodges

[pseudo fiber]

It's real

[native ocean]

is catch a breath worth it?

[hollow ibex]

builds some really bad habits

[hollow ibex]

decent if you're going to pick up surv anyway (and helped by the fact that the alternative is fucking useless)

but wouldn't path specifically for it

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/finding-nemo-bags-floating-stuck-now-what-gif-5473087

[native ocean]

yeah figures, thought it could do me good on my infil build but it seems way too restrictive in its activation

[hollow ibex]

go roll some perfect rippers

[pseudo fiber]

got one already

[hollow ibex]

roll more

you should have 3

[pseudo fiber]

for the different marks?

[hollow ibex]

one as general purpose inspiring barrage sidearm, one for can opener, one mk6 for pbb

[torpid grotto]

is there any benefit to going sunder Mk3 ps on havoc

[void dragon]

Why 3 if only Mk5 and 6 are worth the effort?

[manic badger]

what is pbb

[void dragon]

Point blank barrage

Mk6 with fire PBB is an absolute mixed horde and boss eraser

[tall torrent]

just 2

one mkV, one mkVI

[void dragon]

Mk2 is the not worthy brother

I cry

[sharp epoch]

It's more a stagger machine if you build that way, I was thinking of making a build for it though

[torpid grotto]

I just tried it and the snails pace while heavy attacking is pretty brutal

[sharp epoch]

its actually really good vs mixed hordes and unlimited amounts of armor just suffers on bosses

[torpid grotto]

hmm

is the ideal boss combo push attack spam

[sharp epoch]

looks like spamming heavies is better

sunder boosts the damage a lot

[torpid grotto]

On carapace at least pa looked like it did way more dmg

[tame lodge]

I can't hear you over this Barrage

Raaaaah

FEEDING TIME

🗣️

[spring tide]

how do i add an image?

sire melk has a power sword rn and im trying to see if its a god roll on stats

[void dragon]

I also can't her you, but is because I walked ahead while shooting because I don't care for enemy gunfire from weak guns and death heritic

[sharp epoch]

you need convict* role l I think

[pseudo fiber]

tell us the stats

[spring tide]

damage 73% finese 76% cleave 77% mobility 76% cleave damage 79%

whats reject roll

oh nvm

[pseudo fiber]

nah

[spring tide]

my bad zooted off the lho rn

[void dragon]

Psword wants 60% on cleave

[spring tide]

why not higher?

[void dragon]

Because active mode already gives you massive cleave

[spring tide]

ah i see

ill just have to keep playing

[sharp epoch]

Also mobillity is important on such a low mobilty weapon

[void dragon]

The less mobile the weapon the more relevant mobility becomes for it

[spring tide]

should i prioritize getting an 80% damage one

[spring tide]

on top of mobility and low cleave

[narrow frost]

bolter havoc 40

[void dragon]

With 60% on cleave you can get up to 80% in the rest of stats

[sharp epoch]

how much ordo dockets do you have? its easy to get god roll from brunts and upgrade it

[spring tide]

300k not too much but a decent amount

[void dragon]

What build was it? Focus target?

[spring tide]

all in boyz?

[narrow frost]

survivalist, VoC, 1 point in FT

[sharp epoch]

It takes about 10-15 brunt buys you can get it pretty sure

[void dragon]

Remember: Darktide is a gatcha game but with guns instead of waifus

[spring tide]

IM GOING ALL IN BOYSSSS PRAISE THE OMNISSIAH

[sharp epoch]

what class is keje? @narrow frost

[narrow frost]

ogryn

[sharp epoch]

jeezus ogryns busted

[hollow ibex]

I think it’s worth having two mk5s personally

[void dragon]

What you run on the second? I have one with inspiring and blaze away

[spring tide]

damage 78/80% finese 27/72% cleave targets 22/68% mobility 78/80% cleave damage 62/80%

[hollow ibex]

Can opener and blaze

[void dragon]

Will have it in mind

[spring tide]

FIRST TRY BOYSSS HAIL THE OMNISSIAH

[hollow ibex]

I don’t actually think can opener is that good, but it can be fun

[void dragon]

I can see it for cleaver stabbing so you can also stab with gun for maximum bleeding

[sharp epoch]

if youre doing that 66% ammo thing for ripper might as well use blaze away and either calvacade or inspiring

cause they both benefit it from that

[sharp epoch]

finesse should be 80 too 😭

[spring tide]

just got one that has everything but cleave targets at 80

just grinding them down so i can max out mastery

then empowering

[sharp epoch]

guys i need a vet for h40

[tropic notch]

Power sword plasma

[sharp epoch]

join me rn

[tropic notch]

Oh oops I misunderstood lol

I’m at work or I would

[sharp epoch]

raaah

[stuck shadow]

What perks and blessing you run on dueling sword

[tropic notch]

Flak unyielding with uncanny riposte

[stuck shadow]

Ty

[quiet valley]

Wait that was you? (Princess Oggy)

[sharp epoch]

ya

[quiet valley]

ggs

[sharp epoch]

I was just along for the ride 😭

[quiet valley]

We did good

[sharp epoch]

h40s actually feeling easy with a good team

[quiet valley]

Yeah that was pretty chill run for purple red mods

[sharp epoch]

can u send me the build I wanna take it for a spin

[quiet valley]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da7999f-314a-47e5-a245-2df66897ac31/ammo-fountain-havoc-40

Enjoy spreading Laspistol X propaganda now

[heavy rover]

Ah a deadshot user

[orchid hemlock]

Do u need infernus anymore since puss harden was removed? 🤔

[sharp epoch]

im gonna modify it a bit

[quiet valley]

Its a lot of extra dmg, especially on bosses

[orchid hemlock]

But isn't Ghost better for NOT getting ripped apart by gunners?

[quiet valley]

Just dont get hit idk lol, not really an issue for me, gunner death is just bad positioning, or BS when getting locked on when grabbed/pinned

You are 1-tapping most shooters anyway for toughness

[orchid hemlock]

With the laspistol?

[hollow ibex]

ghost is really nice qol

and even if you don't take ghost, there's desperado

[torpid grotto]

Ghost is good on havoc

[quiet valley]

yea the X

Ghost is probably a fine pick, but if you can play without it, why not take extra dmg blessing

[hollow ibex]

X

[spring tide]

for infantry lasgun do I want ammo or mobility to be the dump stat

[hollow ibex]

you never dump ammo

unless you want to be obnoxious to your team

[spring tide]

dumped mobility

i had this infantry lasgun but it dumped stability so i rerolled for another one

[weak cape]

So my friend likes playing Vet in Auric Heresy/Damnation without any problems. But he's struggling with Havoc. Generally uses the revolver but it's way less effective in Havoc. He doesn't like the plasma gun and I'm trying to figure out a build for him so that he can actually enjoy havoc missions with me.

[hollow ibex]

recon

revolver's bad in havoc

[weak cape]

Recon lasgun? So normal crit/stamina build for it?

[glacial ferry]

use agrip revolver. more fun

[hollow ibex]

more like infernus, you wouldn't take stamina with it unless you're deadshot memeing

[weak cape]

Thanks for the advice. o7

[manic badger]

Vet tree is so dogshit

too much bloat

[umbral scaffold]

First real attempt at vet, any recommendations on weapons later on? Running IA5 and combat blade for the moment. I hear plasma is good.

[fringe oxide]

try the classic chainsword plasma

or join the dueling sword and bolter people

[hollow ibex]

chsword is bad

[steady wolf]

Sadly...

Chaxe outclasses it

[frank basin]

My chainaxe is meh last time 50 defences when before unlocked and loaded

Sprint stamina drain fast, swing feel heavy slow

Going back antax C.Axe

[torpid grotto]

use the knife itll make you good at the game

[frank basin]

I had knife on other loadout and never touch it

My primary run just any LMG-like braced auto, recon

Then antax for something more strong look weapon style

Drip/style over practical

[woven cove]

Mk IV Chainaxe is so cool.

Started to like the duelling sword...but not the one everyone says is the best.

[steady wolf]

New dueling sword is mk4 cleaver on ogryn 😊

[woven cove]

Mk V duelling sword has a pretty nice light attack combo, the third hit has about double the damage of normal light attacks on duelling swords and makes the attacks chain together nicely.

Tho it doesn't have the mega thrust as trade off, which means heavy attacks deal quite a bit less damage.

[grand perch]

man this feels so satisfying with brautos, just hosing down an exposed shooter horde

[hollow ibex]

only like half of them died tho 😭

[calm shard]

wait until you see what the recon las does

[manic badger]

Did they do something to the recon lasgun since 2023

there was like a time period where they gutted the ammo return off the talent or something like that

[hollow ibex]

it got buffed pretty substantially

[manic badger]

Any rough idea of when those patch were so I can go check the buffs out

[manic badger]

the gun or the talent?

[hollow ibex]

the gun

survivalist was nerfed quite substantially

[grand perch]

who do you take me for, ofc i know what recon can do against shooters hordes

its just not nearly as satisfying

[hollow ibex]

yeah i never play recon either

[bleak tangle]

Does Kill Zone Talent got turn off by getting target by melee?

like, is the timer reset the moment some mook trying to swing at you or just getting hit count?

I know what it say in game, but i'm having trust issue and not tech-savvy enough to check the code

[unreal forge]

I asked that before and the answer I got was, as long as nothing connects, you keep the buff

meaning the only way to lose the buff is blocking a melee or getting hit

dodging preserves it

[bleak tangle]

that would be manageable

[grand perch]

blocking a hit counts as getting hit in that regard iirc

[bleak tangle]

now only if the game would stop magically teleport in 1 single poxer to stray hit me from behind the sec i turn back...

[fair river]

When can we get Stalin mustache

Also what even is he

A psyker?

I wanna doubt that because of the lack of head tubing

[calm shard]

he's wearing a psykhana collar

he's 100% a psyker

[signal zinc]

Man I wish we had the drum magazine for the shotgun

You know

The ones the scav shotgunners are rocking

[frank basin]

That's my spirit 🥹

[sharp epoch]

the tdr is so bad now, almost lost a fight to those normal shooters

and vets toughness regen options arent very good

[frank basin]

only decent good is Out For Blood

[calm shard]

is Infernus still best in slot blessing for recon in new havoc

or can I run headhunter for more ammo

[regal smelt]

If you're banking on crits for ammo efficiency you're probably doing something wrong

trying to deal damage with headhunter is painful compared to sticking with dumdum and infernus or deathspitter

[uncut pebble]

Not all psykers have 30 tubes running through their skull. Usually, a psykhana collar is enough, and that fella is wearing one.

[calm shard]

Yeah I am doing something wrong, and that is queuing into pub havoc games where I frequently find myself the only one shooting gunners and specialists

Which means that even with reciprocity and +5% crit on recon las I am running out of ammo

[cinder token]

recon lasgun is fun in mortis trials, permastunning bosses with inf ammo

will i miss some breakpoints?

[unreal nova]

You can use it, but in the long run you can just reroll a minmaxed one tbh.

Did the Hadron bug show up?

[cinder token]

i just got it after a mission. i can minmax it yeah and i have dockets, i'm just too lazy for this :))

want to try spearhead bolter + exe stance

should be fun

[unreal nova]

Ah. So is what it is. I just say, better to minmax for the long run, but this will be fine till then.

As long it's not havoc anyway.

[cinder token]

it's too easy to get the ideal stat distribution to be honest. it's just a matter of clicking the button enough times. i wish FS could drop this last remnant of RNG and let us play with stat distribution (and make mobility and defence more important somehow)

[unreal nova]

Mortis might be an issue, but is mortis, you get BS OP stuff anyway.

And in all honesty, in Havoc, all breakpoints goes out the window.

Just the orange aura... just.

[cinder token]

i haven't touched havoc yet, want to get auric exemplar / auric storm survivor

should be pretty easy if I don't play HI/STG damnations

my clearance rate of these is like 10%

[heavy rover]

If you're pushing for ammo efficiency I suggest infantry las over recon las

[unreal nova]

Heh. GL with that. Those are a nightmare to do pubbing.

[calm shard]

okay time to get my controversial take of the day in

With all the new modifiers that counter damage over time effects in new havoc

I think smokes might genuinely be stronger than shredders in havoc

[unreal nova]

IF they work.

IF.

[agile forge]

Imo defenses is underrated, push stamina cost is relevant on some weapons

[unreal nova]

In most cases, trash. Only weapons with really good push atks might consider it and even then... most of the time, other stats are better to keep.

[agile forge]

Well every weapon has mobility as a stat

[calm shard]

https://imgur.com/a/qp1lKq2 tremendous smoke grenade value

[agile forge]

And I'd take Defenses over it any time, I think

At least, I definitely would on my chain axe 4

[unreal nova]

Nope.

[unreal nova]

For that push atk sweep chainaxe, yeah.

[agile forge]

I stand corrected - can you name an exception?

[calm shard]

plasma gun

[unreal nova]

Some oggy stuff, I know zealot has like 2 weapons.

Plasma has neither.

[agile forge]

Thanks :) yay learning

[calm shard]

plasma doesn't have a dump stat