veteran-class

[uncut pebble]

To put it simply, every attack has an ADM, or "armor damage modifier." DOT effects are included in this. An ADM is pretty simple, it's the multiplier, as a percentage, of what damage is actually dealt to the target. If you'd deal 100 damage, but your ADM is .5, you'd only deal 50% damage to that armor type. The carapace ADM for DOTs is very low, so DOTs typically can't kill crushers. Rending increases that ADM to be beyond 100%, and anything that goes over that is instead converted to raw damage output.

Also, the more stacks of a DOT that are applied to a target exponentially increases the damage dealt to them per tick. Two shredders apply 12 stacks of bleed between them, and at 100%+ rending, will kill literally anything in the game that isn't a boss.

[tall torrent]

Not enough

[calm shard]

man what are you some kinda guidemaker for veteran

always telling me I'm wrong about shit

(when I am)

[unreal nova]

Casually accidentally setting off barrels half the map away.

[sharp epoch]

Yeah damnation levels it doesn't kill melee elites, dreg bomber, dreg gunner, and oggies

[heavy rover]

I call that pre-emptive hazard removal

[orchid hemlock]

I unironically want to see T***er make a video on the Vet guide

Just him being wrong every single page

[unreal nova]

I guess.

[sharp epoch]

just cause hes controversial doesnt mean he doesnt know his stuff

[orchid hemlock]

I mean 🤔

[calm shard]

Idiocy in writing is very entertaining

It's why "Pickle For The Knowing Ones" is such a fascinating disasterpiece of a book

[orchid hemlock]

He's probably going to go on for 45 minutes just because of the "200 HP" curios page

[heavy rover]

clearly going to miss the masterpiece that is deadshot

[tall torrent]

I don’t have curio section started yet

And I’m only gonna write 200health as beginner-intermediate advice

[heavy rover]

it'd be pretty hard to do a curios page, no? Given how flexible vet builds can be

[calm shard]

It's impressive how that perk is so astonishingly mediocre

Even when I'm using a Helbore or Bolter I just wish I didn't have it

[sharp epoch]

ew he uses spider sense mod and prob decode helper

[tall torrent]

Also my entire pc is bricked atm, still trying to fix it

[tall torrent]

Nah, it’s pretty simple

[orchid hemlock]

Time to donate again everyone

[heavy rover]

excuse me deadshot is peak

[calm shard]

I would probably hate it less if it didn't stop working when I'm out of stamina

[orchid hemlock]

Wait so u don't recommend 200 HP anymore Path?

[tall torrent]

Every piece of hardware is working

But the software isn’t

[calm shard]

At least then I could justify it to squeeze more ranged damage out by skipping Reciprocity

[tall torrent]

I don’t run it myself rn

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah that's because u spam havocs

[sharp epoch]

its the only way to feel something

[heavy rover]

...y'all ain't spamming in havocs?

[orchid hemlock]

Chat is this real?

Wait what do you go then?

[heavy rover]

i run 2 toughness and 1 stamina

[tall torrent]

I don’t

I haven’t been playing havoc recently

[unreal nova]

I thought it was just nice to have if you aren't super good?

[tall torrent]

Was busy with exams + new pc setup + darktide keeps crashing on new pc + new monitor not arriving until tmr

[orchid hemlock]

That's the best time to play Havocs

I haven't touched my curios since November

I don't even remember what I have

[tall torrent]

My pc rn:

[orchid hemlock]

You can do it 💪

[serene bough]

I jsut got my friends into darktide im trying to get them to h40

Otherwise I don't play havoc either

[sharp epoch]

bro no ur gonna burn them out

[orchid hemlock]

Ok and

[serene bough]

Better to die for the emperor than live for yourself

[sharp epoch]

slow down and do dams then aurics then auric males

[tall torrent]

I’m not expecting to be able to play on this for another week

[orchid hemlock]

Teach me path, the new curios

Time to get back on Vet

[serene bough]

Low lvl havoc is easier than auric

[heavy rover]

havoc players are like souls game players. We get the living daylights kicked out of us and ask for seconds without any hesitation

[serene bough]

Once we plateu we'll do some aurics

[orchid hemlock]

Why does nobody make a list of Maelstrom specific builds? 🤔

[sharp epoch]

havoc is just less fun though cause your stats get drained and your ammo

[unreal nova]

Because anything goes if skilled enough.

[sharp epoch]

also the modifiers are just bullet sponge basically

except final toll and ritual

[serene bough]

Bc you can run basically anything in maelstrom

[serene bough]

They will grind to 40 or burn out and die trying, this is the only solution

[tall torrent]

I have a weird 3/2/2/2 setup rn

3 sprint efficiency
2 gunner resist
2 cooldown
2 toughness

2 toughness
1 health

[frank basin]

sprint efficiency

[serene bough]

I do

3 cool down
2 spring eff
2 block eff
2 stam regen

2 toughness
1 3+ stam

[unreal nova]

Or give up and back to mortis.

[frank basin]

I use 3 stam regen

[calm shard]

tbf on vet anything that saves you stamina is a godsend

[frank basin]

Of course vet need better stamina talent

It path goes forum and talk about it

Fs will listen

[heavy rover]

saving stamina? never heard of that. Deadshot got all of my stamina

[calm shard]

just put both of the stamina regen talent minor nodes as one actual talent at the top of the skill tree

ezpz

[frank basin]

I always put stam regen

[orchid hemlock]

I thought cool down is only really useful on Psyker

[sharp epoch]

they should just give vet better stats why is he winded from running 10 steps 😭

slowest class and second squishiest class too

[tall torrent]

-2.4s for VoC is ok imo

[heavy rover]

vet spent all their stamina crying over cadia

[unreal nova]

Nu. Am loose cannon.

[serene bough]

i havent touched mortis since week 1 of its release

[unreal nova]

But but fun.

[serene bough]

i dont find it too much fun there isnt enough of a challenge

[tall torrent]

Well

[serene bough]

having fun i see

[hollow ibex]

Mortis? You mean the penance farm?

[unreal nova]

Fun penance farm.

[serene bough]

youre wrong for enjoying something i dont enjoy

🙂

[tall torrent]

Yea

Then tmr I download back my games

[unreal nova]

Look, do you think ppl will bring stun 'nades not for penances?

[torpid grotto]

I like bomber resistance

I be standing in the pools once a game usually

[serene bough]

i completely forgot class penances exist

all i have left are the tedious grind penances

[unreal nova]

Ah, but loner is impossible to do on solo sadly.

[serene bough]

i still do need to do the psyker and zealot private game penances

[unreal nova]

If you are on much later, I can help with MM maybe.

[hearty panther]

how do we like the new killzone/catch a breath

[tall torrent]

Can be better

[unreal nova]

CaB, much better than before. My dodge button going to heaven faster though.

Could be better, but is now usable.

[hollow ibex]

trying to sustain CAB with PS in melee is an... experience

[unreal nova]

Knoife gud. Knoifeknoifeknoife.

[tall torrent]

Not hard

[hollow ibex]

not hard, but annoying

esp with vet stamina economy

honestly i think CAB shouldn't have blocked hits stopping the effect

[tall torrent]

Neither of them should

I’d rather they have longer deactivation window (both at 8s)

But both immediately reactivate on a successful dodge

[unreal nova]

Everyone agrees on that. Is part of the, could be better thing.

[hollow ibex]

that's prob too easy no?

[fervent hemlock]

whats the shovel dumpstat?

first target?

or def

[unreal nova]

Def.

Or mobility.

[tame lodge]

Never first target

[fervent hemlock]

whats knife dump stat

[calm shard]

mobilit

[fervent hemlock]

the other dump stat, when you need to go fast

[calm shard]

mobility

[narrow frost]

you still go fast with mobility dump

60-80 mobility is such a minor difference you would not tell the difference

[agile forge]

I kinda prefer defenses over mobility on most weapons where it's an option

push stamina cost can be a bugger

[unreal nova]

Srsly, just dump mobility on all 3 human classes.

[narrow frost]

melees dump defence then mobility

warp res 1st when psyker

range dump collat then mob

[agile forge]

Dump blast radius instead of warp resistance for voidstrike though

but again imo defense vs mobility is subjective. Like on my zelly's chain axe, it's better to have defense imo

[hearty panther]

got these in one game

[agile forge]

and some weapons really like collateral too

[hearty panther]

ill never recover from this high

[agile forge]

welcome to the ass club

[tame lodge]

Ok now lemme let you in a secret

The dump is mobility

But

If you run Uncanny Strike

You can dump penetration

You'll have less damage though

Uncanny Strike is mandatory though

[fervent hemlock]

I remember running a havoc and I was told to grab a knife and dump first target for mob

[tame lodge]

Never first target

[fervent hemlock]

I have a 60 first target and a 60 mob knife

[serene bough]

sure but lmk when

sorry i was doing a havoc

[calm shard]

I can only think of the braced auto guns tbh

eh I guess bolter and autopistol want it for pinning fire if you use that

[unreal nova]

IDK, when I get home. Cos was out sending my GF off home. Airport and all that.

[serene bough]

not a problem if im alseep then another time is ok

[soft trellis]

anyone telling you to dump first target doesn't know what they're telling you about

[unreal nova]

12 hours from now is also fine tbh.

[unreal nova]

Is even worse than pen dump. Which is bad but can be compensated by uncanny.

[soft trellis]

first target is a literal damage multiplier for the knife

[fervent hemlock]

i thought the idea was just spam lacerate and flesh tearer

[soft trellis]

You mean the worst way to have bleed? by avoiding doing the 3x damage to weakspots on enemies?

Lacerate and flesh tearer have never been meta knife blessings

[fervent hemlock]

so i maxed a useless knife 💀

fucking hell man

[serene bough]

FT is good

[soft trellis]

not the 60% mobility one

[soft trellis]

the 60% first target one? Yes

[tame lodge]

Yeah now apply %crit damage on it

Or even better

% weakspot

[soft trellis]

Generally speaking if you want good advice go to a class channel in this discord for meta blessing/perk/dump stat options, as each class can have different meta blessings

[fervent hemlock]

i was running early havocs for the first time and they told me to get a knife with 80 mob to sprint through everything

[soft trellis]

the speed benefit between 60% mobility and 80% mobility is minimal vs the damage loss from dumping first target/finesse/damage

pen can be offset by uncanny, but, generally you don't dump that either

[fervent hemlock]

what's your oc pony name, im curious

[soft trellis]

Glorious Dawn

[fervent hemlock]

does he talk like carl sagan

[soft trellis]

I don't know what carl sagan sounds like, but, I am going to guess no

[fervent hemlock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtNzR1Swcfc&ab_channel=CarlSagan-Topic

[unreal nova]

But knoife is literally mobility dump, uncanny + fleshtearer/lacerate (Solos only and only if you know how to abuse it)/precognition/riposte/mercykiller (Vet serrated blade memes only).

Dunno if Executor is worth it.

[soft trellis]

Funny, I didn't get the name from that.

His cutie mark is the fire keeper's soul from dark souls 1

[unreal nova]

Just saying, am home now if still on.

[serene bough]

Sorry I got off im getting sleepy

If not tomorrow then later this week

[unreal nova]

That's fine. As said, I'll still be on like 10-11 hours from now anyway.

[split sapphire]

what are ya'll doing for missions? Auric? Havoc or something else

[hollow ibex]

jfc never have i struggled so much for damage than playing with two h40 HH ogryns while i'm a SAP meme build

[unreal nova]

Well, Is oggies, abit overtuned rn.

[hollow ibex]

even half decent ogryn players

or psyker players

such a fucking struggle even just to keep up with them

[narrow frost]

sorry

was me

[split sapphire]

don't even get me started on those who stray in high intensity missions, let alone shock trooper gauntlet as well

they just don't take care of specialists like snipers, bombers or even flamers soon enough.

[hollow ibex]

don't be. play shovel vet next time so i can have a moment of glory 🥺

[woven cove]

Trying to get full mastery with all weapons.

Any tips for combat shotgun on vet?

[tame lodge]

No Respite

Aim down sights

[woven cove]

The shotgun is so stupidly ammo hungry, unless you're only shooting special ammo, maybe.

Also reloading requires an entire like 5 minute break.

The only shotgun I liked so far is the the Ogryn one.

[uncut pebble]

Combat shotgun is a general purpose elite removal tool, do not use ammo on scab ragers or chaff.

You can generally use it with something that has skullcrusher for some funny value.

[formal ice]

When will fire shells be able to push Crushers again

[uncut pebble]

When they actually do damage.

[tropic notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153279327513886770/1364138549921976341/vet.png?ex=68089486&is=68074306&hm=7de49e57f410d7188ec7210429b8e4b331b8f1e9238622266b081634188be1f0& how’s my vet looking?

Can’t decide on the pants tho

[junior grail]

What if combat shotguns are reworked into having magazines?

And the special ammo is a toggle instead of a special shell insert?

[tropic notch]

There’s a good options

[main sierra]

update on my attempt on making hellbore work. i have detirmind if it all good its the only gun in the game that i simply don't like. sucks really even have something like a built in speed boost while charging could kae the melee at least neat but its just over sad to use

[tropic notch]

I wish

[junior grail]

Imo remove the weapon equip delay and helbores are better

[tropic notch]

Flam or scatter shot would be awesome

[junior grail]

Perma slug shotgun sounds fun too

[hasty grove]

I think the Helbore is awesome

[tropic notch]

Been playing ws rashad and revolver and having a blast

[hasty grove]

I don’t understand your gripes w my beloved Helbore

[main sierra]

that weopon delay is truelly ass i agree the amount of time in y 40h attempt to use it to go " let me just pull out... oh fuck it" just to go back to melee was shocking

[tropic notch]

It does I think it’s the only acceptable one to load single

[junior grail]

What if it's reworked to have the magazine size reduced?

[hasty grove]

Thats what the bayonet’s for! Why switch to your melee weapon when you have a perfectly good one stuck to your gun?

[tropic notch]

Hellbore suffers because it exists sadly

[tropic notch]

That’d be fine

[main sierra]

you cant swing till the animation is done no? also say what you want but if your going anywhere in dom half the time that bay will bounce aanyway

[tropic notch]

Sadly the plasma or revolver will out perform the hell bore

And I’m pretty sure the inf las

[hasty grove]

I see I see

Counter argument

Picking a gun because of viability is heretic behavior

[tropic notch]

I remember seeing a h40 clip of exe stance with mmf

I mean I use whatever really

I like the dclaw

[hasty grove]

I pick based off vibes and figure it out

[tropic notch]

[hasty grove]

I’m having alot of fun w a run and gun bolt pistol, chainsword, and VoC build

[tropic notch]

Chainsword is alright

[main sierra]

origanly same but but if i cant get it to work in builds that run on dom then thats, that and im a horrible shot lol

[tropic notch]

Has no finesse fall off

[hasty grove]

Everytime I cleave a mauler clean in half with a revved attack I feel some kind of way

[hasty grove]

Idk what that means

[tropic notch]

[tropic notch]

It means it’s good if you have cleave and hit the head

[hasty grove]

Im a simpleton

[tropic notch]

The chainsword has the fastest trash horde clear in the game

But good luck if there’s like ragers and such in there

[hasty grove]

The so called unstoppable rager when I press my bolt pistol to his forehead and fire

[tropic notch]

Bolt pistol is neat but i got tired of its bq with some specialist

[hasty grove]

Idk what most of these silly numbers and stats mean but these are my weapons for that loadout

[tropic notch]

So me chose revolver

[tropic notch]

What da hell

This is silly

A silly and a danger

https://tenor.com/view/silly-and-danger-silly-danger-this-is-a-silly-gif-967595808447409988

[hasty grove]

It’s fun

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smmmmmmmmokee-gif-12127521321068548379

[umbral scaffold]

I after revolver fell in love with bolter and it's my best weapon now

It works pretty good with every type of enemy

[hasty grove]

The bolter is lovely

[tropic notch]

I’d recommend trying to get 80 in everything but mobility and using shred and rampage for the chainsword

[umbral scaffold]

The main problem was in the beginning recoil and ammo usage

[hasty grove]

As a trans woman, hipfiring the bolter into a horde is the only thing in this world capable of bringing my testosterone back

[tropic notch]

[crimson garden]

What're some weapons for Veteran that scale well with crit?

[hasty grove]

Bolters

[umbral scaffold]

Revolver

[hasty grove]

Big bullet = big crit

[crimson garden]

Melee specific I mean sorry

[hasty grove]

The combat knife has served me well

[umbral scaffold]

Dueling sword knife

[tropic notch]

Knife, chainsword, tac axe, dclaw

Drooling sword

Uhhhh

[umbral scaffold]

DS is monster

[hasty grove]

Dueling Sword mentioned

Brb gotta puke

[tropic notch]

I can’t stand it on vet ngl

I’d rather use the Rashad

[umbral scaffold]

Hmm I love knife so idc

[crimson garden]

I was trying not to use dueling cause I don't love using stuff people consider broken

[tropic notch]

Knife is awesome on vet

[crimson garden]

OP tools tend to encourage bad habits

[hasty grove]

The weapon is so milquetoast and lame nobody would care abt it if it wasn’t so busted

[umbral scaffold]

Use knife taxe

[hasty grove]

Agree

[tropic notch]

Tac axe is fun

I like the mk 2 some like the mk 7

[grand perch]

7 best

[tropic notch]

Try using headtaker, brutal momentum, unarmored, flak

Dump moblity of course

With weapons specialist

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

@crimson garden you could make it something like this

[hasty grove]

Does my gal look Cadian enough?

[crimson garden]

Honestly I think the build I was looking at is exactly the same as what you suggested

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hsTiL4qq-Sk

[tropic notch]

Yeah that build seems silly to me but it is viable

[crimson haven]

Yo the shock mace or whatever it’s called is underrated

[crimson garden]

What's silly about it?

[tropic notch]

Shredders already so powerful it doesn’t really need tinker

So those 2 point’s could be put elsewhere

[crimson garden]

Makes sense

[tropic notch]

Also I will say this you can ask anyone here don’t listen to darktide YouTubers

Most of them spread tons of misinformation

[crimson haven]

Me like Mr.E 😔

[tropic notch]

Yes he can be silly at times

But going back to that build if you’re taking the tac axe do be sure to get the stam node

[tropic notch]

Try it with hammer blow and skull cursher with carapace and maniac damage

[umbral scaffold]

I know it's not meta but I use this bolter and I choose krak grenade because it's fun and works fine on havoc Maybe it will change on higher havoc but for now works good

[tropic notch]

Shattering impact and puncture son

Shreds everything

[crimson haven]

That’s what I’m rocking atm. Very satisfying

[umbral scaffold]

For future onslaught works with shattering ?

Or you can get only 16 stacks of brittleness?

[lean vine]

turns out

Rending

and Brittleness stack

up to 100%

16 stacks = 40%

can't go above 40 because that the limit

oh

i just saw

you dont need Onslaught

it doesn't work the way you think it does an it's kind of a waste

nevermind

im dumb i was looking at other thing

yes onsl and shatter stack

2.5x16=40%

• 16 stacks brittle = 40%

total 80%

i just tried it last run with lasgun and combat knife...it melts anything

[junior grail]

What's your playstyle like? Stab stab switch shoot shoot switch?

[woven cove]

Slug combat shotgun kinda useful, knocks bulwark shields and staggers them on a follow up shot.

Not an amazing gun, but got some use, at least.

[bold sierra]

I'd say slug shotgun has a pretty nice breakpoint if we take havoc 40 into account, tho it's kinda nicer on zealot if I ahve to admit cuz of the impact nodes able to stagger and knock crushers down

I can one-shot gunners with slug shotgun even, not even bolter can do that (well it can just a bit more demanding), plus nice ammo eco, also knocking reapers

[woven cove]

I can two-shot a reaper on Heresy with slug and regular shot with my not super maxed shotgun, without any crits.

And it's 3 headshots without the slug.

[bold sierra]

on Havoc 40, I can 2-3 shot reapers with headshot while also just knocking them over, that's also basically the same with Plasma and Bolter so the breakpoints are pretty nice up there

[grand perch]

do you have any proof of this? path's guide only mentions 2 unique brittleness modifiers that stack on top of the 16 cap, which is exploit weakness and penetrating flames

meaning your calculation goes with double the brittleness that can actually be achieved

and even it if went to 80%, thats a lot of excess rending/brittleness thats going to be converted into a measly 0.25% extra damage per rending

Really the only "benefit" taking both shattering impact and onslaught would be applying the 16 stacks faster

[umbral scaffold]

Nice gonna try it today

[lean vine]

there you go

I'm too lazy to break down the math so I'll just gift you with the Veteran's holy grail xD

also, I'm running this build as we speak

it claps cheeks

with the lazgun

❤️‍🔥

[lean vine]

i'll give you the guide 1 sec

[lean vine]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d3d7575-3a0f-4a47-81f4-6d45b2b099ae/mister-es-mvp-vet

16+ stacks of burn +16 stacks bleed +80% rending xD

[lean vine]

you don't use exploit weakness, just the other one on the right

onslaught

[umbral scaffold]

I will try it with bolter too

The brittleness stack

[lean vine]

should still work fine, the idea is to just get the max 40% arp before you start pumping damage

uuuu i wanna try it with the autogun

...but it won't have burn 😦

anyone know when the paid cosmetic shop refreshes?

[vernal ermine]

Does burn do so much damage ?

[vernal ermine]

Tuesday i think

[lean vine]

with the armor pen stacked 240 per tick

+200 for the bleed xD

3 ticks dead

[vernal ermine]

That much, i didn't knew that

[grand perch]

Please reread what I said

I asked if there is any proof that shattering impact and onslaught stack

[pseudo fiber]

Thursday

Not tuesday

[woven cove]

Using combat axe.

[bold sierra]

just tried stance + bolter + chainsword on havoc 40, didn't die once and basically killed every single gunner and special there is on the map, I actually think stance + bolter is very strong if you actually know how to dodge well

[woeful junco]

if they both apply garden variety brittleness, probably not.

[vernal ermine]

I couldn't make stance work for me. I'm glad that i finished all penances with it

[bold sierra]

stance's dmg + weakpoint dmg increase actually makes breakpoints hella nice on Havoc 40, guaranteed one-shot on basically every enemy, and I didn't even need surgical

takes like 3 shots to kill a crusher on havoc 40

[vernal ermine]

What did you have on your bilter instead of surgical?

[bold sierra]

the bleed one and brittle

unyielding + elite

stance + mag dump bolter + focus fire = half of monster's HP

on havoc 40

[woeful junco]

onslaught seems to apply regular brittleness, as does shattering impact, so they wont exceed the 16 stack cap when combined. exploit weakness does have a unique debuff though and will stack to exceed the regular cap.

[bold sierra]

my bolter + stance buiild I just did on havoc 40

[grand perch]

Dear god that's awful

[bold sierra]

chainsword is just nice to break shield

[bold sierra]

it's not an easy one to play xD, but quite value

tho actually, I never got down once

just one-shot every gunner , no sweat

[grand perch]

Yeah I wouldn't credit this build for that

[umbral scaffold]

That Ty 🫡

[bold sierra]

I'd credit my mad skills fs, god I wish I had scoreboard on, the zealot who brought bolter didn't even use his bolter once, I'm pretty sure I killed every single gunner and reaper, even crusher

we even survived 2 rituals, one with ogryn dead

i wish people experiment more, it's havoc 40, what's the harm

[umbral scaffold]

Well not havoc 40 but I wanted to experiment with melee only build

But no one seems to dare to make this kind of build which I think can be crazy good

[bold sierra]

well veteran definitely got one of the strongest melee-focused path and melee weapon there for sure.

people are just way too scared lol

or well, not good enough ig

[umbral scaffold]

I went with knife and stealth

[bold sierra]

dont mean to sound conceited but, that's just that I suppose

[umbral scaffold]

It works good but you need good team also since enemies won't bother with you

[bold sierra]

I got a camo vet build, it really makes you hella tanky if you stack the toughness dmg reduction stuff on, and BOI it is hella value when your team just die, I clutched camo-revive a few times on Havoc 40

[umbral scaffold]

I'm gonna try out today also even in middle of hell I was doing fine without shooting and ability recovery is crazy with stealth when you have a lot of specials

[bold sierra]

here's my camo vet build if you wanna try out xD, Born leader does help out your team when you use camo, cuz it replinish your toughness to full

grenade is up to preference i suppose

same with melee, cuz I mostly just kill crushers and stuff with bolter, knife would probably be nice for mobility

[frank basin]

Never got bored to play 40 rounds same loadout?

[frank basin]

There is scoreboard mod unless you’re a console

[bold sierra]

i mean, that's why I'm experimenting, with great success actually, played with everything so far, all of vet and zealot abilities

some are DEFINITELY higher skill-ceiling than others no doubt, but they have their own value

[frank basin]

I can’t carry someone weight tho

If there’s more than one

If one person does not help me carrying I’m totally dead

Because two person means burden my weights

[bold sierra]

usually 1 off-build is good enough, and trust, I was basically killing ALL the gunners and elites with that build of mine, zealot didn't even touch his bolter lol

[frank basin]

And one person just does killing

[umbral scaffold]

I'm playing around this for now

[frank basin]

I pretty much run shredder with Evis once time on histg

With 2 guys

As strike team

One guy is conosole anyway so rip

One other is my good mate playing good game and the other other just random, chances they did okay well good or very suck at it.

[umbral scaffold]

I'm trying to send my build but I'm missing one point hmm

Knife and bolter

Some ppl said it's stupid to have krak when using bolter but I like krak and idc on havoc it works fine for now

Krak also lets you save bullets

[calm shard]

on what

the crusher that's already dead before the fuse goes off?

the monstrosity that it does fuck all damage to?

or are you wasting your blitz slot, which could be shredders the best grenade in the game

for something that will only help you against bulwarks

which shredders also do

[pseudo fiber]

They should make Krak explode on stick

[umbral scaffold]

@calm shard I use what I enjoy

For now it works I have fun and no one complains

So why should I force myself into something I don't like ?

[pseudo fiber]

I genuinely think Kraks are worse than smokes though

[odd sparrow]

One of kraks main advantages is clearing bulwarks easily.

They still arent great tho

[calm shard]

easily since smokes are actually good

I take smokes over shredders sometimes if I'm not the only vet on a team

I would vote Kraks as the worst blitz in the entire game tbh

Brain Rupture is ass but at least it has Kinetic Flayer

[dry cloak]

i think kraks in therye current state are a relic of the past

because from different stories i heard on this serwer. armor spam was not always there

[south river]

Smokes can save you/your whole team from gunner/reaper damage spam, vs kraks maybe stop 1-2 bulwarks/crushers in a mob

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah if course

Of course

[south river]

Has anyone got a good Dueling Sword/Plasma Gun build or Bolter build for Havoc Vet
?

[umbral scaffold]

I would use smoke

[south river]

Kraks are also painfully slow

[umbral scaffold]

But on LVL I play it's not really needed and I can have fun

[dry cloak]

i use them only because of weapons i use

[south river]

By the time my Krak explodes on a Crusher sometimes a Zealot or Psyker have already headshotted it with Dueling Sword

[dry cloak]

to not have damage gap

[frank basin]

Explode on impact?

[umbral scaffold]

Idk I have a lot fun with them and can use them in many situations

[south river]

They should add talent pips for Krak to change what it does for example

make it more plasma based so wider damage radius

or replace it with something like Melta

as a boss/unyielding killer

[pseudo fiber]

Or that yeah

I meant more incase it like falls onto a crusher and sticks

[umbral scaffold]

And it saved many ppl in my runs krak

But maybe I just play with bad ppl

🤣

[south river]

In 40k they're meant to be implosive to crack open armour

but there's not many uses for them

in DT

[umbral scaffold]

But if crusher is ready to destroy someone and There is no time to reload bolter I throw krak

From far away

It helps me in tight situations

I just enjoy throwing it under my or before some enemies charge at me and then finish them off with knife

It's the stopping power that I also use

[south river]

I think the problem for Vet is that in a lot of situations he has other tools that do what krak does

[umbral scaffold]

I usually play auric maelstrom or havoc 21 now

[south river]

like Plasma gun

[umbral scaffold]

It destroys bs

[south river]

and dueling sword can be more effective against maulers/crushers etc because you aren't slowly pulling out/aiming a nade

[primal zealot]

well yea but if youve got a recon its not unwise to bring crack

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah but it forces to use some things not everybody uses plasma

[primal zealot]

wat

[south river]

He was responding to me

I think

[south river]

I only want to use Bolter 24/7

I don't care what the difficulty is

just gimme Bolter XD

there are only 4 weapons in Warhammer

Bolter, Flamer, Chainsword and bigger Chainsword

[umbral scaffold]

I know that maybe I will have to change grenade but I'm doing fine for now 😎

[primal zealot]

plz give vet a skill where bolter just has infinite ammo

[primal zealot]

5th weapon : ogryn sized bigger chainsword

[south river]

I love kraks don't get me wrong, I just don't like them in a lot of DT matches

[umbral scaffold]

I will probably use smoke in havoc seems team friendly

[umbral scaffold]

Ok fine 🫡

[woven cove]

Give vet a skill that heals doggies into normal doggies that fight for you.

The Veterinarian Vet Build.

[south river]

There's so many times that I chuck a krak grenade at a bulwark or crusher coming toward my team

[primal zealot]

ew no just run shredders

[south river]

and the zealot runs over and one shots it

before the grenade even goes off

feels so bad lol

[primal zealot]

lol get mogged

[south river]

I'm left standing there like pls it was my one job

i have the anti armour 😦

[primal zealot]

that exact situation is why i dont run them alot

[south river]

@umbral scaffold They're great when you're playing with teammates who stand around eating Crusher overheads every 5 seconds lol

[primal zealot]

although with onslaught and other stuff theyre great on bosses

[south river]

then you get to be a gigachad carry

see too many players in Standard now

who will just eat overhead after overhead

Casualty chads vs block and dodge virgins

[primal zealot]

[umbral scaffold]

@south river I just don't understand that in many runs zealots fall back and many times I'm at front with Oggy because I use VoC and team Vetogryn is my best duo

When I play zealot I push a lot

[south river]

I usually just run book zealot and player close support with mine

I prefer to play near team than solo

[calm shard]

A lot of Zealots are useless book zealots that haven't played a single game without it since they unlocked it

[south river]

[calm shard]

So they're scared of melee since they've never had to learn it, and just bury their head in the ground any time things get slightly dicey

Hope that their team will carry them through the engagement

And when challenged on why they aren't helping will say "i'm support :)"

All the while having bottom damage, taking the most damage, and providing the least value to the team

[umbral scaffold]

With book You can jump into deepest shit

[south river]

When game launched I mainly played the Zealot with charge

[calm shard]

Yeah and they don't because they have only ever used book, and do not know how to melee things

[south river]

I like to melee, but book is good for support when team's not great

[calm shard]

They're afraid to melee big things which is what they use book for

[umbral scaffold]

When book finish you destroy with melee when it's again though your book is probably reloaded

[calm shard]

Book actively makes the effects of bad teams worse

Because if you, a good player are using book

Then you are taking yourself out of the fight in the hopes that the bad players will do things

Which they are bad players they likely will not

[calm shard]

Zealot always destroys with melee

Book takes you out of the fight for 4 seconds for no gains in that department

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah but just in case

I use relic blade

[calm shard]

You would not be in that case if you were not using book and gimping your damage output

If you want to have a "just in case" option

Use stun grenades

Or the Crusher

[south river]

Me switching back to blazing piety rn:

[umbral scaffold]

And stoped using book I go with fury now

I found that I do more good using fury then holding book

[south river]

My zealot is an RP character anyway so I only use Eviscerator and Flamer lol

[umbral scaffold]

I'm going back to eviserator on Zealots to many games with relic

[south river]

I don't like Relic

I don't know if it's me, but I get this weird pull-over/jump-over effect when I heavy hit enemies?

[agile forge]

FotF is personally almost as defensive as Book anyway, but with the obvious massive offensive edge too

[umbral scaffold]

And last time I've played Evi was a loooong time ago

[south river]

Like I smack them and end up behind them

or up in the air as if jumping

[agile forge]

Don't forget chain axes! If you liked eviscerators, you'll probably like chain axe 4

[south river]

Chain Axe is good, but gotta be Evisc for the larp

[agile forge]

Fanatic voice lines, it's chain axe for the larp lol

[agile forge]

My zelly would be a world eater if she was born on another planet

[umbral scaffold]

@south river to bad you don't like relic

[umbral scaffold]

That is strange

[south river]

Can't help it

literally all in on this life

[umbral scaffold]

@south river check this vid https://youtu.be/n6BU67ZRuZ0?feature=shared there are some relic actions with more enemies didn't notice the things you say

[south river]

Since Zealot chat is degenerate anime and catgirl memes, this should be the new Zealot chat

[south river]

That's pretty sweet

I've got Relic mastery maxed and an orange tier ready to go (just need to empower to max at some point)

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah thx My newest video is much better cause I use in game sounds still learning to use the video editor

[south river]

my Zealot build is so-so though

[umbral scaffold]

It takes a lot of time to make something decent but I'm getting faster

[umbral scaffold]

Yiu should give it another go maybe

[south river]

They should give Zealot the Mortifier flaming skull flail weapon

Could easily re-use the Sienna animations from Vermintide lol

[umbral scaffold]

That would be cool

@south river here's my newest vid and mixing in-game sound with music is what I'm going to aim for in the future

https://youtu.be/LKoIYprGtd4?feature=shared

Next I'm planing to play only knife some stylish kills tricks and use John wick music for the video

[south river]

Chaos spawn knife kill goes hard

[chilly marlin]

Hey, i level 30'd all 4 class but i seem to be lacking in the veteran department. Can i ask if anyone got a really fun build to convince me to keep playing this class? lmao, im sorry if it sounds stupid

[calm shard]

Just about every veteran build is going to take these skills

adjusting based on what weapon you're using, what ability/aura you want to use, and if you want to use a different grenade

[chilly marlin]

damn, it really boils down to that huh?

[calm shard]

you get 8 points to shuffle around which is better than what Zealot gets

[woven cove]

Going to try the smoke grenade.

Haven't used it yet.

[calm shard]

Though Zealot has 3good keystones

Vet has 1 good keystone and 2 mid ones

[orchid hemlock]

Unless you are playing havoc, nah you don't need to use that every single game

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cd2f33a-0c28-4fe7-afef-3a716810ec24/meta-gamer-tryhard-xxxxfazeclanxxxx-society-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[pseudo fiber]

2 good keystones 1 mid keystone take it or leave it

[chilly marlin]

well, its a pity that one thing i love from veteran is the plasma gun but it seems to be the weakest link class in my arsenal really. any melee weapon u guys recommend?

[calm shard]

plasma gun is the current best gun on veteran iirc

It does so much damage

honestly probably best gun in the game as far as specialist killing is concerned

[chilly marlin]

right, i love it so much. that's the only thing making me want to play vet if i were tbh

me dum, me play ogryn more

[woven cove]

We have perils of the warp at home.

[trim badger]

Recon might be as good unironically

Nowadays at least

[trim badger]

Knife/DS when running plasma is good cuz mobility

Power sword if you wanna still be effective but not cheap

[chilly marlin]

knife huh? i'll try that

[sleek garden]

go all the way down left skill tree and get an infantry lasgun

now you're playing counterstrike

Click heads to win

[heady fractal]

The amount of point tax in vet is absurd

Like, there's basically no points tax for psyker

[atomic zephyr]

do disablers stop spawning when clutching?

[calm shard]

everything spawns less if other players are downed/dead

except in havoc

havoc just spawns everything at full force all the time

[atomic zephyr]

gotcha

[plain osprey]

I got shit on by a salty psyker for still using the rashaad combat axe in 2025.... Funnily enough he was the one who kept going down and dying.... And once the team was dead with me as the last one dying, he blamed me for my poor choice in weapons ....

[pseudo fiber]

Folks are weird

[normal bay]

Rashad slander, Psyker got what he deserved

[valid steeple]

Is there any advantage to using charged shot’s instead of uncharged shot for the plasma gun (besides reading a shot for a dog or trapper around the corner)?

[pseudo fiber]

Nope

Literally zero

[cinder token]

what does plasma gun one-shot with M1 weakspot attack without critting?

[trim badger]

Some breakpoints like reaper under the right conditions but even then it's more reliable to just do uncharged spam

[trim badger]

All specials but dogs and mutants

Pox bomber requires +unarmored I think

[cinder token]

thank you I see. I have to play with a 60% damage plasma until I level up and can roll
that's why it doesn't kill flamers after a headshot

[unreal nova]

Better to dump thermal if poor tbh.

[cinder token]

I didn't choose what to dump, it's just a plasma I found in my inventory

[unreal nova]

7 shots before overheat still works far better than missing damage.

[cinder token]

I agree wholeheartedly. But Darktide makes you play with bad breakpoints until you lvl up mastery

[unreal nova]

Or burn dockets and plasteel.

[spark cipher]

how exactly does that work anyways, do you just keep grabbing different plasma guns until you get one with the roll you want?

[cinder token]

i put +20 maniac damage and now i can 1hs them with M1

https://tenor.com/view/flex-tape-flex-seal-phil-swift-slapping-nailed-it-gif-17097388

[unreal nova]

Brunt gamble when you have dockets.

Dump thermal if poor, 68-69 thermal, 72-71 charge rate if rich to gamble.

[valid steeple]

Sounds like there is a damage increase to some degree. Does it give a flat increase the base damage (before other damage boosts) or is it a multiplier (after all other modifiers)?

[grand perch]

the only reason to charge plasma imo is when theres an opportunity to hit more enemies than 50 cleave allows for

bridges, long corridors, filled to the brim with enemies. charged shot will hit more than uncharged

...but even then just mindless leftlick is still valid

[calm shard]

why charged shot when 2 left click work just as well

[plain osprey]

Call me crazy but ive never grown warm with the Plasma gun. The big Appeal was, at least so it was sold to me, that you dont need to bother to aim with it. But funnily enough, as my skills progressed, i now find myself missing with the plasma gun alot while i can Land headshots with the Agrippina braced autogun while sliding..... Hmm. Maybe ... *Cuestaylorswiftvoice its me, hi, i am the problem, its me...

Lol

[calm shard]

I don't really like it either

I literally only just mastered it a day ago

I have the budding interrogator title and veteran is my 2nd most played

[plain osprey]

Out of all the guns in the game, over all four classes, i can

• Aim the best with the single barrel heavy stubber (achlys)

• have the most success killing things with the recon lasgun (doesnt matter which mark)

• have the most fun with the gorgonum twin link heavy stubber

• feel the coolest with the purgatus flame staff

• be the most immersed with the Agrippina braced autogun

So yeah, no plasma gun love from me

[calm shard]

Of course natrually I don't like the plasma gun

But I got an optimal roll for it in less than 3 minutes

[red robin]

I like a lot of the guns

Just wish talents like mmf didn’t feel mid on semi auto rifles

[plain osprey]

Ya gotta use the meta If you dont like want a hard time from time to time. *Sighs in MK III dueling swords and p gun.

[spark cipher]

Best I can offer is a combat shotgun

[red robin]

Agrippna my beloved

[calm shard]

I don't use the dueling sword because I like the power sword

I also don't use plasma gun because I use bolt pistol

[unreal nova]

Got too used to Bistol, lul.

[red robin]

I just be using the devils claw because I like the parry

[plain osprey]

There arent a whole lot of ranged options i dislike. I dont like the Grenade gauntlet, i dont like the Lastpistol, i dont like voidblast staff. That is about it.

[unreal forge]

5 minutes into using a fully kited out shovel in auric malestrom and holy shit this is terrible. I was even thinking of bringing this to havoc before reminding myself of how it actually functions

[spark cipher]

He is not soldier TF2

[quiet valley]

No shovel slander in the chat please

[calm shard]

I like shovel :(

[valid steeple]

Wouldn’t it be more ammo efficient to use one charge shot vs 2 quick shots for the plasma gun? If not, how does the ammo consumption change?

[uncut pebble]

How can you not like gg and laspistol...

[unreal forge]

shit has 0 cleave bruh

[quiet valley]

MK1 Shovel is great idk what ur smoking, what did you have on it?

[plain osprey]

Lol. I dont like their lack of far ranged options and the damage Output against carapace is meh. But they are fun to use, i'll concede that

[unreal forge]

i'm using mk3 with thunderous thrust for crusher one-shots

[calm shard]

all of the lights on the not folding shovel are strikedown except for one

you have to use the heavies to cleave

oh

folding shovel

there's your problem

[red robin]

The buff to block window for the riposte attack from 0.2 to 0.5 is quite nice

[uncut pebble]

That's the issue, folding shovel sucks.

[red robin]

On the claw sword

[sand anchor]

I like the claw sword for ragers on my vet

[unreal forge]

is the cleave from the others in any way significantly better?

[uncut pebble]

Use mk1, it can do half a crushers hp in one hit if you know what you're doing.

[quiet valley]

Use the MK1 with Skullcrusher/Decimator or Uncanny if you need armor pen on melee

[red robin]

You can hold block and parry a horde of dreg ragers with no chip dmg

[uncut pebble]

Special headshot > push attack headshot w uncanny.

[plain osprey]

The Lastpistol feels underpowered. The Grenade gauntlet cant parry in melee and has a very limited mag.

Thats just personal opinions though, not the word of God

[sand anchor]

Exactly

[quiet valley]

Laspistol slander :0

Its literally the best ranged weapon on Vet

[uncut pebble]

Laspistol has a high inherent base crit chance and is a finesse oriented weapon. You have to hit headshots to make it work.

[red robin]

Unironically las pistol is wild good

[plain osprey]

I never said it was bad, i just feel underpowered using it. Maybe i have the wrong build

[uncut pebble]

Grenade gauntlet is also cracked as basically an "ogryn revolver."

[red robin]

Infinite ammo, ghost and desperado kinda solid

Applies to duck and dive and reciprocity

[unreal nova]

Just harder to hit.

[valid steeple]

For survivalist, does the 1% of ammo include the max ammunition in a clip in addition to the max held ammo (like the plasma gun for example)

[quiet valley]

It has insane crit/weakspot, and flak modifer

[unreal nova]

Since projectile vs hitscan.

[quiet valley]

The MkX pretty much 2/3 shots a mauler in the chest

[uncut pebble]

Ammo % restored is based off of your reserves only.

[red robin]

I actually like mmf with las pistol

Makes good use of the finesse amp

[plain osprey]

That could be the issue. I can land headshots but i am so accustomed of the Playstyle "accuracy by volume, kill them with Bodyshots, accuracy/ammo efficency be damned" that i really have to focus on order to land headshots. I guess next time i'll use vet or zel i'll try to go for headshots only

[calm shard]

I really like MMF helbore to one shot crushers as a meme build

[red robin]

Damn

[calm shard]

doesn't work in havoc :(

[red robin]

I was just abt to say the only las weapon I don’t feel 100% on is the helbore

[valid steeple]

Good to know… does it round up or down at all? (Like does it give 2 ammo if reserves go above 100 or will it only give 2 ammo if there is at least 200 for max reserves)?

[red robin]

That draw time tho

[calm shard]

still 2 shots crushers which is great, but also helbore/exe/mmf in havoc just...doesn't

[red robin]

Only thing holding back helbore

[uncut pebble]

That knowledge is above my pay grade, I'm sure Path has thoroughly explained survivalist in his guide in the pins though.

[quiet valley]

Only thing holding back helbore in Havoc is shout meta, Exec stance should get ranged toughness dmg reduction back

[calm shard]

it tracks decimals there is no rounding

[faint beacon]

I'll take anything that'll put EStance to be a bit more interesting over VOC cause my god its so fucking boring always pathing through VOC

[red robin]

Kuli guide on steam is like

Ultra info

[red robin]

i like the spread and recoil reduction on braced weapons

but god damn

do i wish it influenced damage falloff

[unreal forge]

praying for vet tree rework next

def the class that most needs it

[faint beacon]

Never happening

[calm shard]

I feel like Zealot needs it more tbh

[red robin]

true

[faint beacon]

We're at most getting a tree reshuffle

[frank basin]

Let’s kill veteran class

[unreal forge]

you say this but ogryn tree rework happened

[red robin]

would love for both

[calm shard]

Veteran needs straight buffs to their tree, and some things shuffled around

[unreal forge]

I'll take a reshuffle and a way to have all nades lead to 1 node like Ogryn tree does tbh

wouldn't save EStance or Marksman but still

[frank basin]

Need better keystone

I didn’t like those keystone

Focus target is eh enough

[unreal forge]

weapon specialist more like melee specialist

[frank basin]

Need the damn machine gun-like keystone similar to ogryn burst limited overdrive

[unreal forge]

it's stupid that the best keystone on vet is arguably the one that just buffs his melees and gives his guns incredibly useless buffs

the ammo reduction on havoc hurts vet too much

[frank basin]

I would like have marksman focus mix with between sniper or machine gun

[calm shard]

a guaranteed crit, never needing to reload, and 20% increased fire rate is "incredibly useless"?

[frank basin]

His left talent art work is holding a machine gun

[calm shard]

huh?

[unreal forge]

it's good for the plasma gun and that's it LOL

[calm shard]

bolt pistol

revolver

double barrel

[unreal forge]

meh

focus target will be better for those

[calm shard]

bolter

[unreal forge]

like way better

[balmy flume]

TBF you need an extra talent point to pay for the no reload thing IIRC.

Maybe make it standard with keystone instead.

[calm shard]

I can kill an entire horde of enemies with double barrel

melee 2 poxwalkers

and instantly do it again

with WS

[frank basin]

Hmmm

[calm shard]

I can reload my revolver shots 1 by 1 without going through the animation just by meleeing enemies

So I can use it to help with horde clear and never have to worry about not having ammo to snipe a specialist

Same for bolt pistol

[balmy flume]

The tree leading up to that keystone is really melee focused but I understand the appeal of that

[calm shard]

yeah vet right tree is hybrid melee/ranged

middle tree is support and GRENADES

left tree is click heads

[frank basin]

Boring for me

They gonna tell me play ogryn instead

Ogryn gun is inaccurate shooting like medium and close range

[calm shard]

Even on ogryn I use BLO with Back Off

Weapon specialist ogryn edition

[faint beacon]

Concentrate exists lmao

[spark cipher]

are frags generally more useful than kraks (if I keep missing the stick)

[lusty ether]

unless you run heavy stubber or rumbler

[calm shard]

kraks are probably the worst grenade in the game

[faint beacon]

Shredders do everything Krak does but better

[calm shard]

Shredders are completely undeniably the best

You will be hard pressed to find anybody with a substantial amount of hours on this game that doesn't think Shredders are the best blitz in the game

[frank basin]

Well 40 rounds not much I would use more of it.

[frank basin]

Spread reduction only

But still

[calm shard]

wh-

[lusty ether]

Ogryn doesn't ADS 'any' gun

it's all braced spread

[calm shard]

you're complaining about accuracy what do you think "spread" is?

they literally do not ADS

every gun has spread

even the heavy stubbers

oh I guess rumbler and GG don't

[faint beacon]

Slam synergizes with range even though its supposed to be melee

so you actually can get a net positive stam gain from using the Achlys HStubber

[lusty ether]

neat

[faint beacon]

Literally just Sharpshooter veteran

[lusty ether]

I like heavy stubber

[faint beacon]

but better

lmao

[unreal forge]

so you guys told me the mk I shovel is better but like it is just as bad at horde clear as the mk III so why is it that the folding shovel in specific sucks

[lusty ether]

shovel is pretty good horde clear

you either bop heads on poxwalkers or do impacty slaps

it's not power sword, but few things are

[unreal forge]

feel like the folding shovels are better at being generalists

[hollow ibex]

Well mk1 has better horde clear

Still mid, but better

And the anti elite isn’t bad either

Mk7 folding is ok

Shovels in general are kinda shit rn though

[unreal nova]

Mk3 or bust. I wanna break crushers.

[frank basin]

If ogryn exist to be machine gunner why veteran has braced auto weapon?

I have to be specific is I use twin link weapons is why doesn’t feel hitting enemy far range with concentration.

[icy summit]

fellas my buddy is having an issue with duty and honor

he keeps trying to rez and i told him it has limited rang but everytime he tries to use with while standing over someone it doesnt rez

how come?

[zealous depot]

the wide shotgun is my new favorite marksman focus weapon

[frank basin]

Lawbringer shotgun

[icy summit]

nevermind

[frank basin]

I don’t get it

[zealous depot]

the res shout?

[icy summit]

i fgiured out the issue

he didnt have the shit equipped because he doesnt read

[frank basin]

Alright

Lol

[zealous depot]

that was about to be my guess lol

[frank basin]

I thought duty and honor is penance

[zealous depot]

honor of duty 4

[frank basin]

Confused me

@icy summit I look your pfp thought it’s Mordecai from Lackadaisy

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/k8HaMrDlEgfbzBh4D?invite=cr-MSxsWTMsMTA3NDAxNTcz

[thick kestrel]

put into time out

[frank basin]

Timed out for door spawn killing

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/shameful-disappointed-box-of-shame-time-out-peek-gif-2226136612302321200

[faint beacon]

Surprised they still haven't fucking fixed this bug

[frank basin]

Imagine instant dead for inside the box

That would fix it

[woven cove]

He should play Ogryn.

[frank basin]

Ogryn being illiteracy

That’s suck

[woven cove]

Ogryn will pick up the green corruption book and think all books are evil and will never learn to read because of that.

[frank basin]

Not if oggie use “simple mind” node

That make sense they can’t get corruption easily

[woven cove]

Now their mind is too simple to learn how to read.

[zealous depot]

I love it

I just point the wide shot at a crowd and bam, half to full stacks

[woven cove]

Love Emp-reh, hate book, simple as.

[zealous depot]

did they ever make manstopper good?

[calm shard]

it stops men

[zealous depot]

im not shooting men

im shooting vermin

[woven cove]

You're shooting dark. Darktide.

[frank basin]

Did you shot possum?

[heavy rover]

You're shooting in the dark against a tidal wave of enemies

[native hamlet]

man going from slow powerful weapons like thammer, slab shield, and power sword to combat knife has been really weird lol

i didn't even realize that you could attack so fast with knife heavies. i was just naturally making them slow and wind up a bit lol

[frank basin]

Use crusher

That one explosí-on

[woven cove]

Don't shoot me.

[frank basin]

No but your kin in the dark

Blind shot

[dreamy spade]

uh so.. wtf is this

[frank basin]

Wall-hack

And why do you have 8 stack focus target?

I read somewhere said 8 stack focus target not really practical something

[native hamlet]

true

but consider the following: my zealot has suddenly feel like they're a veteran

[frank basin]

Veteran but melee

[native hamlet]

and they happen to be a good sharpshooter too, so sadly it evolved 💔

[woven cove]

Got the 20 mastery on combat shotgun, now I can stop using it.

[manic badger]

What is optimal percentages on thermal and charge rate for plasma gun

[calm shard]

@tired egret

68/72 can also be it

[calm shard]

reversed

sadge

[manic badger]

reeeeeeee

[tropic notch]

You don’t need onslaught if you have shattering impact

[unreal nova]

Some ppl just wanna sus stack.

[tropic notch]

This is silly

[native hamlet]

which mark do you prefer for the knives?

been running mk3 for a bit, but the horde clear feels really tragic
about to try out the mk6

[unreal nova]

Mk6 completely.

[native hamlet]

better qol for horde clear im guessing?

[unreal nova]

Yep. Still good at ST. Just more stamina heavy.

You can just special light in emergencies, but slower.

[tall torrent]

Better in like everything lol

[unreal nova]

But yes, switch to mk6. It's worth it.

[hollow ibex]

Needs serrated blade, lacerate, uncanny and constant WS procs

Then it becomes pretty good

Maybe even on par with mk6

[unreal nova]

But but but, I use that on mk 6 for funni... well, serrated uncanny mercykiller.

[calm shard]

had a vet with flesh tearer+lacerate knife on my last havoc

they did bottom damage

[narrow frost]

Sorry

Was me

[unreal nova]

I swear you and Chaos are sus.

[hollow ibex]

FT lacerate is a trap

And havoc has increased hitmass right?

[calm shard]

yeah

it was orange boys too

[hollow ibex]

Makes sense

[unreal nova]

Heh. Dueling sword is just as bad. Just burn all.

[hollow ibex]

I tried havoc with 21st with mk3 and could literally only hit one guy at a time

Mistakes were made

[unreal nova]

Is mobians... they are like 4.5 hit mass or something?

And if orange, just...

[hollow ibex]

Not sure… but definitely too much for mk3 lights 😭

[tall torrent]

4.8 in havoc

[unreal nova]

I mean, wasn't knoife like 6.5 cleave at best?

[unreal nova]

I can't math. I just remember 4.X.

[calm shard]

comically overtuned

meta against moebians is so much more restrictive because of it

that modifier kills loadout variety

[unreal nova]

I don't think they should be higher than 2.

After modifiers and such.

[tall torrent]

It’s the same as other havoc modifiers tho

U bring the same kit

[unreal nova]

Naw, mobians push for unlimited or insane cleave stuff.

Otherwise you feel like you hit nothing much.

I don't mind them having flak armour, but the hit mass is just way too much.

They swarm you like the usual hordes but you can barely clear them if you don't pick those types of weapons.

You are literally forced to go for such.

Heck, the ones they used for the events in normal/aurics were just perfectly fine.

1.5, if I'm right?

It's 3x normal already.

[tall torrent]

Which is the same thing u bring for other mutators anyway so like what’s the difference lol

[unreal nova]

You can't choose to meme around with less cleave stuff unlike other modifiers.

[spark cipher]

so would I just get a devil's claw and 2 cleave blessings?

[tall torrent]

It’s not like havoc gives u much of a choice in the first place

[unreal nova]

But then what to do with crushers. I guess plasma.

[spark cipher]

I dunno, I wanted to use it and I wasn't really sure of what blessings to go for

[unreal nova]

True. But that reduces it even further.

[tropic notch]

I mean you could but the dc will be ticking the havoc mobs

Rather use the power sword or Rashad

Shovel

[spark cipher]

and there's no way around that?

[tropic notch]

Not that I can think of havoc is it’s own beast

Something like the power sword and plasma excel there

For zealot it’d be the relic blade

Psyker voidblast or inferno

And anything on ogryn really

Well except power maul

[hollow ibex]

For lights it’s like 3 lol

[unreal nova]

Thus, bust anyway.

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

I would only do bleed knife memes in auric

[woven cove]

You need to click so many times to kill things with a knife, good lord.

[hollow ibex]

I only play knife because of the auto attack mod

[unreal nova]

Turbo.

[woven cove]

The only thing I like about the knife is the speed boost when holding heavy attacks.

[sharp epoch]

hack

[unreal nova]

I think the DS also has it but weaker.

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/hacker-typing-hacking-computer-codes-gif-17417874

I’m ddosing fatshart servers with my macro assisted light attack spam

[woven cove]

I know that with duelling sword, you can do a light attack and start a slide, and if timed right you will move a bit faster cause the light attack gives you a small lunge.

[unreal nova]

Just just sprint heavy seems to be slightly faster than just sprinting.

[woven cove]

Maybe, I haven't really used the duelling sword.

The speed boost from the knife can be really helpful, and I know you can do some stupid single target damage with the right blessings, same for duelling sword, but I just hate that I need to click like 5000 times to kill 10 dudes when I can do the same in 1-2 clicks with a bigger weapon.

[sharp epoch]

uhhh knife and ds kill in 1-2 shots for big targets

[woven cove]

I mean hordes.

[unreal nova]

In havoc, especially mobians, is pure single target. XD

[woven cove]

I haven't played Havoc yet.

[sharp epoch]

morbian is like wayy harder without a psyker or ogryn who can mulch the mobs

[orchid hemlock]

Both DS and Knives have bad wave clear yes

[orchid hemlock]

Use the Mk 6

[unreal nova]

Why flamer.

[orchid hemlock]

Tbh I don't see any reason to use the Mk3 anymore

[hollow ibex]

It’s great if you’re not in havoc

[orchid hemlock]

Is this Not in havoc in the room with us right now?

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/you-wouldnt-get-it-joker-smoking-gif-15952801

[unreal nova]

B.U.R.N.

[woven cove]

Just watched a zealot with a knife move around spastically like it's some kind of CoD clip and get absolutely mogged by trash mobs that he just couldn't kill fast enough.

[unreal nova]

It happens to both knoife and DS. Neither can clear fast enough even with spam.

[split sapphire]

note to self, never trust rando's again, yea got it

[lusty ether]

You can trust me.

[narrow frost]

thats why its rule #1

[lusty ether]

Isn't rule 1 "don't talk about nurgle cultist fight club"?

[split sapphire]

negative, although it is true

[unreal nova]

Don't you mean, never trust anyone in DT. Even friends may send you flying.

[lusty ether]

vet deserves power fist

[narrow frost]

yes, thats what it means

[lusty ether]

I need to powerfully...things.

[split sapphire]

i just want to play the game and have fun with it, more so at least with one person whose willing to vc, at least 1 so i don't go totally insane about praying for the rando filth trying to wander alone getting snagged by hounds or trappers

[lusty ether]

shotgun and shield seems like a cool combo

not 100% how it would work mechanically

[normal bay]

This marksman focus penance is possibly the worst penance in the game

[lusty ether]

using the shooty stance ability one?

[normal bay]

No, the bottom left keystone

2500 kills at 10 stacks

[split sapphire]

oh marksmans focus

[lusty ether]

that seems pretty doable with a spammy gun

like IAG or recon or whatever