veteran-class

[torpid canyon]

What's a good build for the Boltgun on Veteran?

[quiet valley]

Surgical + Pinning fire or Shattering Impact, Deadshot with shout or exec stance

[tall torrent]

is this with or without a flamer in team

[quiet valley]

Bro 💀

[tall torrent]

wat

it's a simple yes/no question?

[narrow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/easter-doe-eating-deer-eating-popcorn-funny-gif-4621167703268332056

[quiet valley]

no

Final answer

[tall torrent]

yea u could have just said that instead of "Bro 💀"

[stuck gorge]

super react mpreg

🔥

[torpid canyon]

Ok do I need anything else? Like weapon stat wise

[proven cargo]

You’re right baby, don’t let him hurt you

[quiet valley]

Dump Mobility, personally I go Unyielding Flak for perks

[tame lodge]

One with Executioner Stance

It's peak

[quiet valley]

Thx BB, you still watching your waistline for me?

[torpid canyon]

Will this carry me on malestrom? And higher difficulties?

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-deployed-alien-cat-gif-10264569409756179931

[stuck gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-gif-2344071593813059019

[torpid canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-glorp-glorp-glorp-cat-nervous-gulp-cat-gif-6405647114975741623

[tame lodge]

Do you have good fundamentals?

[stuck gorge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1274546962389274769/1352487573649494106/Glipiage.gif

[torpid canyon]

Ye

[tame lodge]

So it probably will

[torpid canyon]

When I get home I can show you my current build for the recon lazgun

[narrow frost]

if the enemy reach 0 hp they die

[quiet valley]

No way

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/people-die-if-they-are-killed-did-you-really-think-that-killing-me-would-be-enough-to-make-me-die-misfit-of-demon-king-academy-shirou-emiya-fate-stay-night-gif-23794808

https://tenor.com/view/one-peak-one-piece-one-piece-cry-its-so-peak-gif-13413926760013023520

[stuck gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[loud belfry]

i detect zealot chatitis

[void dragon]

Is one of the reason why some weapons are considered meta that they lose at worse 50% of their damage vs caparace while the rest have a drop to 5%? seems quite an exagerated damage drop

[tall torrent]

for ranged? no

[quiet valley]

Most meta chasers just follow an echo chamber of what’s considered good

[tall torrent]

ranged metric has always been specialist/gunner killing, and sometimes unyielding DPS

[quiet valley]

You have other options to kill Carapace than ranged only

[void dragon]

which ones?

[tall torrent]

melee

[quiet valley]

Kraks, Melee

Folding Shovels, Uncanny weapons, and DS and Power Sword ofc

[void dragon]

sooooo, only Poewr and dueling swords

[tall torrent]

no

[normal bay]

Rashad

[lilac stump]

I mean if you want to play a ranged build (fully ranged) you can only play laser weapons. and out of them, the only real option would be the recon gun just due to the fact that it has sufficient RoF to be mostly usable. unfortunatly for me it's Cone of fire is so big that it might as well be a shotgun. Idk why FS hate ranged veteran saying stuff like "it doesn't goes well with the game" but beside it you have the Psyker who'se basically a ranged powerhouse, and even the Ogryn, though that last one runs into ammo problem as well.

[quiet valley]

Laspistol X

[lilac stump]

I'm pretty sure you play mostly with your melee weapon out, just taking pot shots sometimes with the Las X, like you would do with the iLas

[quiet valley]

It can kill every enemy type efficiently except Carapace

[void dragon]

most psykers i saw are more mid range ones with fire, doing full specific target damage with indirect soulfire, vet feels more capable to do surgical killing (but an ogryn Hstubber can also do it kinda ok)

also, just runned an onslaught recon lasgun and it did much better than any combo i tried with the autoguns

gosh darnit

[lusty ether]

is that the heavy laspistol?

heavy laspistol is good fun

[umbral scaffold]

Plasma?

[quiet valley]

Yes it’s the slower firing one

[lusty ether]

it's just nice to zoom around headshotting mid sized things

and ranged dudes

[quiet valley]

I will continue to advertise the LasX until vets realize that it’s actually cracked

[tall torrent]

(it's not)

[lusty ether]

it's nice

one of the better ranged weapons, imo

it rewards quick precision

[normal bay]

The X? Eww

[lusty ether]

but yeah, you will have to bring something for carapace

luckily the power sword exists?

[tall torrent]

I actually just ran unyielding DPS on plague ogryn and Mk II beat Mk X laspistol

[void dragon]

you mean as using a plasma build? is FAR more safer, but a lil slower

absurdly easy to stagger a crusher

[quiet valley]

I appreciate the data work you do, but man you are out of touch if you actually tried the LasX built properly for any difficult content and think it’s not amazing

[umbral scaffold]

No idea i just started 10 days ago

[tall torrent]

idk how to put this nicely so I'll just say that I respect ur opinion even though neither data nor facts agree with it

[random tulip]

Oi lads

[proven cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/robot-no-nope-not-noo-gif-18171565

[void dragon]

recon and plasma feel quite confortable on a build, but the other ones are a lil more of a struggle,

specially the worse aguns

[quiet valley]

[lusty ether]

I've seen too many shitty meta discussions in too many games to be able to take this seriously.

[lilac stump]

My biggest complain is that (with the notable exception of the recon gun which I despise over everything due to the ridiculous cone of fire), you play 60-80% of the time with melee and 20-40% Ranged depending on which weapon you bring. when it should be inverted on the veteran.
You should have your Ranged weapon out and shooting 80% of the time in a dedicated ranged build, only taking your melee for select ennemies or in case you get temporarily out of ammo.
The easiest fix for that is that Survivalist gives back more ammo to the veteran. and get bigger reserves of ammo.

[lusty ether]

I'm sure you're great, but like...I've seen this line of reasoning so heavily misused in so many ways.

[random tulip]

If you don't mind may I see one of your veteran characters?

[tall torrent]

I'm actually super curious what'll happen if azreal was here

[umbral scaffold]

I thought this game is mainly melee,i spam my plasma any chance i get,even in melee range when npc does a nice konga line in front of me

[tall torrent]

[lusty ether]

Like my baseline for meta discussions is when somebody decides something is 1% worse and is therefore unusable.

[quiet valley]

I’ll have to send you the build sometime ig, I do implore you to give it another shot

[tall torrent]

the guy who takes 0 melee talents vs the guy that takes 1 ranged talent (agile engagement)

[void dragon]

make vet's melee good, kill current survivalist and give a passive for himself that melee kills give him more ammo

[quiet valley]

My vet is nearing 2000 true level if that matters

[tall torrent]

sure

[random tulip]

A simple picture will do

[umbral scaffold]

2000? I thought max is lv 30

[tall torrent]

mod

[lusty ether]

For example: how do you even begin to quantify something like ADS movement speed differences?

[void dragon]

there is a mod for judging people on how noob they are

[lusty ether]

like you have a number

[umbral scaffold]

Can we kill pc

[lusty ether]

but that number means more than the number

[lilac stump]

So make the veteran a zealot. Zealot is the Melee guy, Veteran should be the ranged guy. As easy as that. Right now there is no reason to play veteran except VoC. Like you're just a VoC Bot at this point.

[narrow frost]

you know I saw you using exp curios

[quiet valley]

I’m pushing those last 50 levels it’s tough out here

[umbral scaffold]

Oh that's why today on damnation mission one guy left screaming in my ears he refuses to play with lv 30 ppl

[tall torrent]

shame consoles don't get mods

[umbral scaffold]

Baldurs gate 3 have mods

[tall torrent]

most console games don't

[umbral scaffold]

Like 99%

[void dragon]

Nah, vet still should have ranged damage as it's main strength, it's just that he should not mess with the general ammo economy so he can have more than just one aura

[tall torrent]

so ig u'll have to count on FS gradually adding mod-features into base game

I hope they add dodge counter widget

this

[void dragon]

Also would be nice to have more than just a fist full of melee options

[umbral scaffold]

Why ppl tell me to take combat knife instead of power sword on vet in game chat?

[random tulip]

If you don't mind may I see one of your veteran characters?

[quiet valley]

I would like better melee options on vet for Havoc, The Mk1 Shovel, DS, and Power Sword are the only things i use

[quiet valley]

I’m on mobile atm but I guess I’ll post smth later and tag you

[umbral scaffold]

Shovel is good?

[quiet valley]

Skullcrusher is nuts

[random tulip]

I use it exclusively

determines type tho

[tall torrent]

it exists solely for skullcrusher

[random tulip]

one good for cc and for precision strikes

[umbral scaffold]

My shovel is mr17,i just dump every other wep i get ,i never used it

[random tulip]

Lies

[lilac stump]

tbf I understand what you're saying. I just don't know a good way to implement it. Have double the ammo from the get go on any gun as a Veteran would go a long way. Since even halved drop would replenish so much more of your ammo capcity making it way more viable to play ranged.

[tall torrent]

wat

that's like the only thing it's good for in havoc if u don't full grenade meme

[random tulip]

Lies and slander

[umbral scaffold]

[tall torrent]

too bad

[calm shard]

skullcrusher uncanny is a pretty funny argument for grenade build though

[quiet valley]

I go Skullcrusher Decimator personally, and Flak/Unarmored, but thinking about trying Maniac again

[umbral scaffold]

[random tulip]

have this man hanged, drawn, and quartered

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-hakari-kinji-hakari-jujutsu-shenanigans-jjk-gif-7051994636613993117

[uncut pebble]

Skullcrusher uncanny be like "hmm yes my push attack can do half a crusher's hp in one hit and make shredder grenades op."

[umbral scaffold]

What does skullcrusher do on a shovel?

[umbral scaffold]

I don't get it

[calm shard]

enemies you stagger take more damage while staggered

[tall torrent]

enemies u hit take way more dmg from everybody while they're in a staggered state

[umbral scaffold]

What is strength? Its not explained in the tutorials

[calm shard]

damage, stagger, and cleave

also get used to the game not explaining things, especially in talents and blessings

[agile forge]

It also used to be called Power, so if you see somebody talk about Power they mean Strength.

[lusty ether]

gun hurtness

bigly hurty weaponness

[quiet valley]

They should’ve kept it as power, it’s a makes more sense than getting Strength on your gun lol

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1362944882490212353/Desktop_2025.04.18_-_20.15.33.01.mp4?ex=6804e596&is=68039416&hm=765b234db1730135eef2b4069b01913882c1fd8eaa83c87cab48ce30aa568ba8&

Every damage bonus explained

[lusty ether]

Gun more stonk

stronk guy do hurt

[tropic halo]

They eaten his barking legs

[random tulip]

thank you

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent hey path, what curios do u use now?

[tall torrent]

Which class

[orchid hemlock]

vet

[hollow ibex]

All wounds

[orchid hemlock]

[hollow ibex]

(I like making my team pick me up ten times a match)

[tall torrent]

2 toughness
1 health

3 sprint efficiency
2 gunner resist
2 cooldown
2 dockets

[hollow ibex]

did you stop going for 200hp?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[hollow ibex]

hmmm

[tall torrent]

Because havoc changes defence breakpoints entirely

[hollow ibex]

oh do you use same setup for auric?

for havoc that makes sense tho

[tall torrent]

Too lazy to change

[hollow ibex]

fair

[tall torrent]

I rly like 3/2/2/2 split for curio perks

[formal ice]

Who names their child as Fox in the year 40.000

[random tulip]

shoot you a at when im done

[formal ice]

[quiet valley]

@fossil badger this legend

hes retired now

[void dragon]

Wait why you have dockets? Secret pro move strat?

[uncut pebble]

Path is just Him and doesn't need toughness or hp curio perks like us plebians. 🚬

[tame lodge]

He probably gambled all his dockets away when searching for plasma

Oh and Ripper

[proven cargo]

Is this real?

[void dragon]

The gambling ruining us all, and I thought I was the only poor ogryn

[tall torrent]

I love money

[tough tiger]

Hustling

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-meme-spongebob-mafia-mafia-money-gif-12714856527416165903

[tall torrent]

It’s hard to not love money as a Chinese person

U gotta understand

[tropic notch]

That’s the coolest thing you’ve ever said

Path all the time

[tough tiger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1165799772700033085/1244165742094581812/watermelon2.gif

@tropic notch

[tropic notch]

I have that already

[tough tiger]

I know

[tropic notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1027335984964190312/1361396979808080064/PxSAhVT.gif

[faint beacon]

Hell freeze's over the moment they bother adding this stubber to vet (its never happening)

[pseudo fiber]

Maybe in may

[faint beacon]

I'll be happy but slightly annoyed seeing we lack more melee options on veteran, that or if they could simply just tweak values of weaker melees

[pseudo fiber]

Shock maul should be real

[tall torrent]

u wanna play

[pseudo fiber]

Though personally I'd prefer a hotshot
With a heat mechanic and gets hot as a blessing

And then you take shock trooper

[faint beacon]

I wont lie I feel like

Hotshot and Light Stubber might be held back till they're both ready

cause

[tall torrent]

vc?

[faint beacon]

I feel like they're just Inverses to each others playstyles so it wouldn't feel natural to have both not ready

also not atm

[tall torrent]

I might play horribly, still on old monitor

[tall torrent]

My pc restarted for no reason

[faint beacon]

Yeah I just dipped

the people you got replaced by could not move forward for the fucking life of them

[tall torrent]

Idk what is going wrong

DT keeps crashing on this pc

With mods

Idk what mod is causing problems

Now it just “restarts”

[raw needle]

check your event log

event viewer

bleh

[tall torrent]

console log for latest crash

[raw needle]

nah I meant for your pc restarting

[void dragon]

I dont understand ANY of this, my brain is not as advanced to read techpriest

[tall torrent]

where do I look in event viewer

[raw needle]

anything critical related to the shutdown

check by time

[raw needle]

yeah expand those

[loud belfry]

custom views > admin. events

[tall torrent]

lemme guess, I'm fked

[loud belfry]

hmmm

that is quite a lot i think

ive only gotten 3 kernel-pnps (which seem to be significant errors) in the last like 8 months

[tall torrent]

what do I do to fix this

[loud belfry]

try to repair windows i guess

DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth
Sfc /scannow
Chkdsk

you can run these 3 commands in an admin command prompt and it might help

[raw needle]

yellows are pretty normal tbh

but you gotta check the ones right before the shutdown happened

where's the critical one

[tall torrent]

idk

ok found 1

[raw needle]

ok the two errors below it are probably the cause of it

[tall torrent]

"Dump file generation succeded."
"The previous system shutdown at 9:20:54 PM on ‎4/‎19/‎2025 was unexpected."

Running DISM rn

[raw needle]

one way to fix things if this doesn't work is updating all of your shit

mainly bios

last time I had consistent bsods I had to update bios for it to go away

[pseudo fiber]

I hate computers.

[frank basin]

Call it spirit machine

[pseudo fiber]

I mean machine spirit jokes are half true I've threatened machine into working

Mainly work machines

I assume they're haunted by the souls of previous workers

[frank basin]

The Darktide launcher has option named “threads worker”

[tall torrent]

it's stuck at 62.3% for first command

[loud belfry]

definitely not a good sign but maybe that means it's about to find it all

[unreal nova]

Do you have a spare power supply to test?

[frank basin]

What did path doing this time? Heretically modify the spirit machine?

[unreal nova]

Cos I used to have black screen crashes on DRG and it was related to my PSU on the fritz, which then killed the GPU.

[tall torrent]

it insta jumped from 62.3 to 100%

[pseudo fiber]

No need to scare the shit outta him soemthing could have bumped during transport

[raw needle]

have you checked if your bios is up to date

[frank basin]

This the problem when I try play game with my friend caused disconnect or crashes

I never update bios

Last time

Graphic drive

[loud belfry]

should try to update your bios at least every 2 years at worst

[unreal nova]

Yeah, but that's basically the last resort if replugging everything changes nothing.

[frank basin]

I used since 2019

[tall torrent]

I'll do after I finish the command prompt stuff

[frank basin]

Never been update stuff iirc

[tall torrent]

I checked and there's no bios update in lenovo page like weeks ago

[raw needle]

actually maybe don't update bios just in case it is a psu issue

try reseating all of your stuff first

[tall torrent]

PSU shouldn't crash my game tho

[raw needle]

no I mean if your pc restarts during a bios update it's gonna be a fun day

[loud belfry]

how old is this pc?

[tall torrent]

1yo

I bought 2nd hand from friend

[frank basin]

You just brought new pc

What’s happen to previous one?

[loud belfry]

it's a weird error. it seems that volmgr might have crashed your pc...so i think that means one of your drives lost connection and the pc lost itself as a result

or it could just be corruption of the os and fixed by the commands

[loud belfry]

rip

[tall torrent]

actually

never fucking mind

Lenovo just released a BIOS update on Apr15 2025

2 days after I checked

[raw needle]

cool stuff

[frank basin]

Lenovo

Good ol time

[raw needle]

still reseat all of your components first and triple check it's not your psu

cause yk

if it restarts

not gonna be fun!!!!

[loud belfry]

the volmgr error seems to mean basically anything, therefore nothing

[sharp epoch]

just do trial and error and figure out which mod is crashing you

[loud belfry]

weird it causes his whole pc to crash though

[tall torrent]

No, I turned mods off because I thought mods were causing issues

Then I queued into rolling steel with gale

And my game froze

[hollow ibex]

based

[tall torrent]

Followed by system reboot

[hollow ibex]

fuck rolling steel

[sharp epoch]

uhhhh

[hollow ibex]

the machine spirit was just trying to spare you the suffering

of rolling shit

[tall torrent]

After BIOS update

I think

[raw needle]

what are you thinking of

[tall torrent]

I haven’t checked after update

I’m making pan fried dumplings

[sharp epoch]

Is the crash consistent or it happened once?

[tall torrent]

It’s crashed like more times on this pc within the few days I’ve had it

Than it’s crashed on my laptop over the last year

And I thought it was mods

GUID: 754517e9-3133-4b9b-9975-7565b6a4dd8d
Log File:
Info Type:

[Engine Error]: Access violation (0xc0000005) in build 6a597690b3a9efdf28fa5aeb55209626a2c3ba07
accessing address FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF from 00007FFC706DEB75

What is this supposed to mean

[sharp epoch]

Probably some sort of background process

Other people are saying it's related to underclocking your RAM

@tall torrent https://www.reddit.com/r/Vermintide/comments/8n5s67/psa_solved_my_access_violation_0xc0000005_issues/

[loud belfry]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/access-violation-0xc0000005-crash-after-launch/105486

[raw needle]

well darktide wouldn't crash your pc regardless

[sharp epoch]

I had this out of memory crash happen but I fixed it with chanigng the steam launch options

[raw needle]

so the issue lies within the system somewhere

[loud belfry]

yeah idk why you'd be crashing entirely still

it could be a ram issue

[sharp epoch]

It's probably related to his specs

CPU or RAM

[loud belfry]

underclocking the ram might make it stable

[frank basin]

Does the user_settings.config file help reduce lag with some adjusting?

[loud belfry]

probably

[frank basin]

Since I forgot my friend helped me optimize the frame

Making run smoother

[loud belfry]

there's probably a bunch of stuff you can change in there you cant change in the game

[frank basin]

Huh

[loud belfry]

yes, you probably can improve performance with that config file but i don't actually know of any good settings to change

[tall torrent]

I don't have Bandicam

[tall torrent]

mine didn't even have the "enabled = " line

[loud belfry]

i think you gotta add it in

[sharp epoch]

I think it might be related to your RAM, see if your temps are going super high

[tall torrent]

no

[sharp epoch]

for CPU or RAM

[tall torrent]

they're like 70 celsius lol

this pc has cracked airflow

well, BIOS update done

gonna scan for the rest

[queen obsidian]

I feel like the chainsword isn't as good as the chainaxe

It takes soke extra time to activate than the chainaxe

[hollow ibex]

correct

but they're both bad

[queen obsidian]

What's the best for armoured enemies?

Especially on Heresy difficulty.

[hollow ibex]

chainaxe

you lose horde clear compared to chsword though

[queen obsidian]

Just light spam ig

[tame lodge]

Power Sword
Knife
Dueling Sword
Chain axe
Boltgun
Zarona revolver

Rashad Combat Axe

Uh

[hollow ibex]

oh i thought he was asking between just the chaxe and chsword lol

[loud belfry]

he mighta been, hard to know

[tall torrent]

power sword

[shadow dagger]

i forgor is there still fake max stat curios or did they fix it

[unreal nova]

Yeah. Any 400 or below +3 stams is a fake.

410+ or bust.

[stoic thorn]

PLASMA GUN

OOHRAH

[tall torrent]

just crashed again
GUID: 19896578-18ae-40cb-ac3a-9960b17a267e
Log File:
Info Type:

[Engine Error]: Deadlock detected while waiting on renderer thread. Update was not called for 16.1 seconds. You need to supply a crash dump or a crashify link in the report since we need both logs and crashdump to investigate this.

[loud belfry]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/deadlock-detected-while-waiting-on-renderer/105762/3

all I got. maybe the direct storage change, if you did it, made it worse.

[sharp epoch]

bolter on heresy works well

[frank basin]

https://youtu.be/m3p_VuPIS2c?si=FVq_2EH_ptupSUib

[native hamlet]

what about sedation

[sharp epoch]

on sedation use laspistol for armor

[next wyvern]

Howdy. I've been recently getting into Vet and I'm currently running a Recon Lasgun build with the good knife, Shocktrooper, Command Shout, stuff like that. Is it worth going Weapon Specialist to get stamina Regen and play around Deadeye, or is the team damage from the middle tree (forgot the name, the one that adds damage to pinged enemies) would be better? (Lasgun has Infernus and the headshot crit blessing). Also, which 'nade is best for anti-armor, cause my Lasgun does jack frack against armored targets and my Shredder Frag isn't doing anything most of the time.

[native hamlet]

what about malice,,,,

[sharp epoch]

on malice you might wanna upgrade to a lasgun

[tame lodge]

Focus Target better

[sharp epoch]

If you're geting shocktrooper and all that stuff, WS is a little expensive

[tame lodge]

You can just go brrrr

[native hamlet]

i think middle tree was called focus target? but i dunno much about vet

[tame lodge]

Tag

Brrr

Tag

Brrr

[next wyvern]

I'll get enough crit for Shocktrooper without relying on Deadeye's free +35%?

[sharp epoch]

I like marksman focus better for recon cause if you're ads and shooting you cant really ping easily

[hollow ibex]

MMF is dogshit on recon

Didn’t we have this discussion

[next wyvern]

I'm trying to use much less ammo to be more self reliant than my teammates, so that even if I'm bad, I'm not hogging ammo too

[sharp epoch]

Meh I do good with it on auric malestroms

[hollow ibex]

Melee

Just melee more

[next wyvern]

I hate melee 😭

[hollow ibex]

I have bad news for you…

[next wyvern]

Even with the knife, which I do actually really like

[native hamlet]

krak nades are best for armor, though i feel they're most value when chucked at bulwarks. could use 'em more often if u pick up that rechargeable grenade i suppose
otherwise, maybe knife could do? i dunno anything about knife but maybe if u hit heads they'll get dunked on

[sharp epoch]

Play psyker if you wanna avoid the thing that is melee

[hollow ibex]

You should always pick up the nade recharge talents

At least demo stockpile

[next wyvern]

That's what I was playing lol. But I heard Vet had some good long range options too

[hollow ibex]

Yeah though melee is still important

[next wyvern]

I have that, I haven't gotten to the 5% regain nade of specialist kill yet, but that would be cool

[hollow ibex]

You shouldn’t be using the bolter on poxxers for example

[hollow ibex]

That’s really nice

Especially the higher the difficulty

[native hamlet]

maybe the path to more self reliance is to hone in on your arsenal 🤔
melee is a pretty important factor for combat and good compliments for your ranged weapon

[next wyvern]

I like Recon Lasgun + Shocktrooper + Crit because I almost never have to use my knife unless I'm using it to zip around the place. I've never once run out of ammo, even though Deadeye drains my stamina almost instantly

[errant prawn]

iv attempted to use the infantry lasgun three times and all three times it feels like im shooting spit balls

that gun sucks

[sharp epoch]

I ran MMF with this game it did prettty well

[hollow ibex]

No thanks to MMF

[native hamlet]

mmf looks weird and awkward to me

[sharp epoch]

tunnel vision synergizes with deadshot

[next wyvern]

This is a mod right? Is there a mod pack with essential mods for Darktide, or what do you do it get the good ones?

Oh WILD

[native hamlet]

only guns i liked when i was trying vet with a lower lvl friend was double barrel shotgun, and i think plasma. regular guns are meh and i hate lasguns

[sharp epoch]

nexus mods is where you get mods, and there's no modpack but just grab some of the popular ones

you can also ask someone to just send their mod folder

[next wyvern]

Use MMF + Tunnel Vision + Deadeye + Shocktrooper to turret obliterate enemies, when I have to move, use knife to zoom around, then repeat. Honestly, I think that would be a fun play style for me. I love hitting my headshots

Infinite ammo

[sharp epoch]

It's not infinite, but its pretty good regen

[stoic thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-awesome-mario-twerking-gif-23644561

They are very MUCH THINNED thank you

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-gif-18555427

[native hamlet]

what's the gimmick with recon lasguns?

r they just peashooters that attack really quick or is there some catch to them 🤔

[tame lodge]

Well they are peashooters

Then you path to Onslaught

Then they shred everything

[sharp epoch]

theyre like the most consistent like automatic type weapon thats decent on any armor type

[tame lodge]

Is it worth it? Not really

Is it fun? Yeah I'd say so

[sharp epoch]

also they synergize with shocktrooper since theyre las weapons

[next wyvern]

Also any crit + the fire inducing blessing goes wild. You light everything on fire

[native hamlet]

noted

that's like the opposite playstyle i like but every now and then speed and agility calls my name 😏

[next wyvern]

Maybe I should try Plasma Gun. I heard Vet Plasma Gun is pretty good. I just hope it's ammo efficient enough

[native hamlet]

need to play vet some more. gotta optimize it to find its true power

[tame lodge]

@tired egret

💀

[tame lodge]

Just never use your charged shot

[native hamlet]

never see plasma vets in havoc either so the journey to truth will be an mysterious one

[next wyvern]

Oh, well damn

What Vets do you see in Havoc?

[narrow frost]

I use shovel

[tame lodge]

Charged shots waste lots of ammo and the damage trade off isn't worth it

[hollow ibex]

powers sword and shredder nades. that's pretty much it

[native hamlet]

i hear it's pretty cool. heard it can oneshot crushers, though idk the keystones well to make a full fledged build yet so no one shots yet
you could shoot through a handful of thin walls apparently which sounds pretty awesome

[native hamlet]

meant finding plasma gun's power, but power sword is
something

ngl been using the folding sapper shovel cuz i remember the folding shovel for ogryn being cool, but it's kinda a wet noodle

[hollow ibex]

i don't think plasma one shots crushers, at least on damnation

[tall torrent]

changed adapter index to 1

NEW crash log:
GUID: e7fa9693-586d-4d1a-9987-9463c2c9f6c6
Log File:
Info Type:

[Engine Error]: HRESULT: 0x887a0005 = DXGI_ERROR_DEVICE_REMOVED: GetDeviceRemovedReason() = DXGI_ERROR_DEVICE_HUNG

At D:\a\d\rel_engine_darktide\release\2025_02_19_Patch1.7.x\runtime\d3d12_render_device\d3d12_debug.cpp:1548 in function stingray::aftermath::d3d_assert

---

[native hamlet]

i recall seeing a friend do it, but don't recall if it was a crit or not

maybe i will go for a few vet runs to get s'more currency

discord i was just here earlier why did you mark this as an unread message

[candid flicker]

My favourite class

[formal ice]

And the worst one

[sharp epoch]

I still got it on H40s

[honest pine]

If you're doing a crit heavy build is infernus worth it or are other perks just better than whatever damage burning does

blessings rather

[hollow ibex]

infernus is good on recon las

[honest pine]

So only for rapid fire lower damage weapons?

i guess that makes sense

I already have my own thoughts I'm just like

Peer review searching lol

[hollow ibex]

yeah you wouldn't take infernus on like helbore for example

i think infernus is really only worth it on recon las mk xii/vi

some people like it on laspis but i'm not a fan there

[honest pine]

Yeah makes sense

I've just been having infernus on all my las weapons because brain sees synergy and gives dopamine even if its not-really-useful synergy lol

[loud flower]

How would one make the best use of the infantry autoguns? I remember a time where they could just everything under a mailer white easily, bit I am not getting there anymore

[hollow ibex]

you could use exec stance but IAGs work well generally still

[loud flower]

What would be the go to blessings and perks on it? I am running Maniac Unyielding with FF and Dumdum

[hollow ibex]

yeah that's the usual, except flak instead of unyielding

not that unyielding is bad

oh actually, deathspitter instead of ff

[loud flower]

Going to try it out

Thanks for the tips Sirosky

[native hamlet]

omg i love power sword

this thing is so cool

[hollow ibex]

just wait until you try the relic blade

(zealot only tho)

[native hamlet]

true

though i tried it and it felt stinky

[uncut pebble]

That's because laspistol has an inherent crit bonus.

[native hamlet]

i like thunder hammer too much

[grizzled pebble]

Psyker big sword

[tame lodge]

Vraks5

[native hamlet]

which power sword y'all like?

[warm schooner]

ps6

[fading yarrow]

The one in mY PANTS--

Ahem

Mk 6

[hollow ibex]

why are people like this

i think bro only took out his melee weapon the entire game

by accident

[uncut pebble]

My money is on recon vet.

[hollow ibex]

bolter actually

recon vet would prob be bottom damage

it's impossible to not get top damage with bolter if you can just take every piece of ammo on the map

[narrow frost]

sorry was me

[hollow ibex]

sorry's not going to cut it pal 😠

[sharp epoch]

if there wasnt ammo id think it was a psyker, but I feel there should be a viable ranged only playstyle for vet

[hollow ibex]

i think it might be hard given the amount of trash hordes in this game

[dry cloak]

once thing is certain

dont shoot hordes

[stoic thorn]

I blind fire plasma twice into a horde

Thins it well in a choke

[stoic thorn]

HAAAUGH CHARGED SHOTS RIP AWAY

[sharp epoch]

shooting hordes for ranged vet would be a thing like lfd2 or sometbing

[stoic thorn]

I think I should switch back to the chainsword

John Cadia needs to support the local cadian chainsword industry ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

Mk13 first light attack is good as hell idk why

Oneshots hounds for me

[narrow frost]

rookie numbers

[hollow ibex]

i sincerely hope this was a premade where everyone agreed to give the ammo to the rumbler ogryn or something

[sharp epoch]

Average havoc vet experience

[narrow frost]

nope

pub havoc 40

level 40 vet

he did fine

[grizzled pebble]

I didn't agree to let the ogryn take all ammo for rumbler he just does it anyway

[uncut pebble]

False.

It is very possible to take top damage from boltgun plebs.

[hollow ibex]

yeah, maybe if they're bots

but any semi-competent bolter vet with his hand on the trigger the entire game should be top fragging

[sharp epoch]

It's easy with venting shriek psyker or glugger ogryn 🤷‍♂️

I've outdamaged the whole team combined on glugger

[hollow ibex]

gluggers can be very annoying too

[native hamlet]

i can see the power

[hollow ibex]

idc about psykers too much

because at the very least, they aren't hoovering every piece of ammo on the map

and i will kill the shit in front of me before they can get to it

[native hamlet]

mk6 really is nice, though feels boring just using lights for me i suppose

[sharp epoch]

As long as they arent wasting the ammo I'm fine

[fading yarrow]

I have almost 160k plasteel and almost 100k diamantine

I have no idea what to do with it all

[narrow frost]

nothing

[hollow trail]

flex on the people that don't have any

what even does hadron need all that plasteel for, there's bars of moebian steel lying in the back of her stall doing absolutely nothing

[crimson pebble]

the ships not made of mobian steel

[hollow trail]

is she just making us salvage hand-sized canisters of regular plasteel because mars isn't sending her the shipments she orders lmao

[uncut pebble]

That is likely exactly what's happening.

She makes comments about her requests for materials being denied to Morrow.

[cinder token]

vets penances are very grindy
500 krag grenade armoured enemy kills, omg

[uncut pebble]

Armourbane isn't that bad.

It counts for things made of flak, too.\

You can stick it to scab bruisers if you want lol.

[cinder token]

oh wow

nice

all the keystone adjacent penances feel grindy too

[uncut pebble]

MF is the bad one for vet.

But you can just do melee at max stacks and weave your gun in to let you move.

[cinder token]

317/2500 💪🏻

[uncut pebble]

MF doesn't specify 2500 kills with guns. It just cares that you get kills at max stacks.

Grenades, melee, and environmental kills all count.

[normal bay]

Can also just go to Mortis and stand in place most of the match lol

A lot easier than crab walking through a normal level

[umbral scaffold]

I ain't reading all that,hell nah

[unreal nova]

Mercantile kitchen door for 45 mins

[shut orbit]

Could someone help me with my Recon lasgun build? I really want to get Bring It Down! but I'd need to move to Krak grenades/fireteam to do so

[narrow frost]

Onslaught is taking 3 points away from you

And only helps with shooting crushers to death, which a melee weapon can do

[cinder token]

or take Infernus

[narrow frost]

What would infernus do?

[shut orbit]

Not having Onslaught just makes Crushers impossible to kill with it which sucks

[cinder token]

stack burn on crushers (if you need to shoot them for some reason)

[shut orbit]

They die pretty fast if you've got it

[unreal nova]

Shoot and uncanny strike them, yes.

[normal bay]

Could save some points without survivalist, depending on what difficulty you play

[narrow frost]

Dots deal barely any carapace damage

[unreal nova]

Is still nice with selfish teammates.

[shut orbit]

Yea max stacks is like 45 a tick lmao

[cinder token]

oh good to know thanks!

[narrow frost]

If you need extra points remove onslaught and take a anti armor melee

Vet has plenty

Psword, Rashad, knife, ds

Shovel, taxe is more advanced

[cinder token]

crushers are very easy to melee imo

they are just annoying in packs

[shut orbit]

Rashad is what i've been using, but it still takes like 4-5 heavies to kill a crusher

compared to like 2s of lasgun fire with onslaught

[normal bay]

Depends on your weapon

And how many crushers lol

[cinder token]

dsword will do the job 💀

[narrow frost]

If you take the node below desperado, it bring it down to a 3-4 hit

Up to you

Try changing aura

I think it saves 1 point

If you go center

And nade

[shut orbit]

It's still 4, but barely

Yea that's what i'm thinking of doing, but Kraks are cringe and survivalist is great

It's probably worth for the 2-2.5s crusher kills at infinite range though

[frank basin]

idk was is the guide made ds sword being powerful or cross weapon classes was a mistake?

[analog mural]

what?

[signal zinc]

The more I play Vet the more I appreciate Ogryns

[dry cloak]

heh

[frank basin]

DS is being op like those Guides maker in this discord server, they want nerf it to the ground. Otherwise I think the cross weapon classes especially dueling sword given to zealot is dumb op.

conclusion I can't tell it is the cross class weapon is a mistake or the only dueling sword need a nerf

[calm shard]

the chainsword is cross class and it's the worst melee weapon in the game

devils claw is cross class and it's the second worst melee weapon in the game

[frank basin]

because it's a begineer weapon

[calm shard]

chainaxe and heavy sword are cross class and they're like okay? heavy sword is really good horde clear that can't kill carapace, and chainaxe is the opposite

[analog mural]

crossclass weapons arent the problem, its just the duelling sword and knife that are op really

[frank basin]

the knife good at horde yea?

for mk6 specific

[calm shard]

not really

[analog mural]

mid

[elder fiber]

not even remotely

[frank basin]

then why it being labled op?

[calm shard]

knife is quite bad at hordes

Because it does everything the dueling sword does. It just has an actual prominent weakness

[elder fiber]

b/c Funny ttk vs elites

[frank basin]

yeah horde

it's a trade off

[calm shard]

dueling sword isn't fantastic into hordes either, but it's a lot better than knife at them

while being as good (or sometimes better) as knife at killing elites

[frank basin]

i think knife and ds are leave for teammate using horde killing

but horde elites leave for ds and knife

[analog mural]

hordes are not a problem for anyone that is good with the knife though

[frank basin]

it's simple dodge left & right

[analog mural]

indeed

[frank basin]

mk6 horizontal slash pattern

[calm shard]

you're sure not killing them any time fast, and god save you if there's a bulwark

[elder fiber]

havoc density can be an issue

[calm shard]

especially in havoc

you don't have time to slowly chip away at hordes while the AI director spawns more specialists to throw at you

[frank basin]

nurgle garden bullshit

there why trash mob get onto you

then specialist behind you

[calm shard]

havoc density is also why the dueling sword is not meta there

even if it is overpowered

being unable to clear hordes quickly in new havoc is horrendously bad

[frank basin]

i think just leave ds with slight nerf since it isn't going anywhere

[elder fiber]

orange moebian 21st the ds nerf we deserve

[frank basin]

the knife leave it be

i think fs vision see the knife is special/elite killing

not suitable for cc

so knife perform in havoc same like ds?

[calm shard]

poorly yes

[frank basin]

that leave to hammer and evis

oops

this is vet chat

[calm shard]

hammer and evis do worse

[frank basin]

aw man

[calm shard]

evis has cleave limit iirc

and hammer has bad cleave to begin with

[frank basin]

iron helm

[calm shard]

still has bad cleave

[frank basin]

i still use them

ogryn pickaxe gonna be new did decent well in havoc me guess

for horde clearing

[calm shard]

yeah pickaxes all have good cleave

especially branx

[frank basin]

i love branx

heavy push cleave

[hollow warren]

huh. is this a bug or what? so I was fooling around in the meatgrinder with the creature spawner and I've spawned the Hexbound Daemonhost (the havoc modifier) and for some reason when I use VoC all of their heads pop and the DH dies. Is that how it works in havoc missions too?

never played with vet on havoc, so wouldn't know

even a krak/frag nade thrown in the centre of the ritual pops all of their heads the moment they all get staggered

something doesn't seem right about it

[regal smelt]

nah, they don't take knockback when they spawn normally and you have to kill them to force them out the ritual

just a creature spawner gimmick

[hollow warren]

figured, thank you!

[umbral scaffold]

Yo I want to do knife only run and since It's only knife any cool builds?

Maybe stealth cause I love reivers

[left patrol]

What difficulty are you going to play

[umbral scaffold]

Auric maelstrom damnation

Or havoc 20 if it's possible with only melee

I want to do some cool vid

[left patrol]

Idk a lot about auric but you'd probably upset your team in havoc
It's so artificially difficult past havoc 20 that voc is pretty much a necessity. It really kills build variety I'm sorry

[umbral scaffold]

VoC is also alright it's in my standard build

[left patrol]

But if you feel comfortable in auric damn already honestly I'd just use whatever you think looks good. I'd definitely get the attack speed node

[umbral scaffold]

Ok

[stoic thorn]

What's the shredder pistol dump

[umbral scaffold]

@left patrol I'm going to try today auric maelstrom with stealth see how goes

[left patrol]

If you die i give you permission to blame me

Give em hell champ, before dueling sword was shated knife was part of vet meta so o believe in you

[calm shard]

mobility or collateral

[umbral scaffold]

Just thought that since I would use only melee you could make interesting build well we will see how it goes

[left patrol]

Tbh im not a builder i just felt bad no one responded im sorry

[plain osprey]

Lol some random psyker just gave me shit because i used a combat axe in 2025.... Yet he went down before me, twice....

[lusty ether]

If you'd played better he'd have been under less pressure.

It is known.

Get good.

:D

[calm shard]

what

huh

[native hamlet]

it just wrks

[loud belfry]

might have to reset the game or something if you leveled up mastery quickly

noticed that if i used the auto upgrade mod it wouldn't track all the progress until I reset. not sure how deep the reset had to be, maybe just to operative select

[calm shard]

anyways time to waste all 1.4 million of my dockets on trying to get an optimal plasma with 69 thermal and 71 charge

oh well that was easy

okay

[loud belfry]

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[calm shard]

trying some dumb shit

smoke grenade point tax is real

at least we get ya boy agile engagement

love that talent

[lost frigate]

Oh god i got this by accident

just gave up long ago and forget

[dry cloak]

GJ

[lost frigate]

but the use all ammo with 90 accuaracy is too hard for me lol

90 acc might be doable but all ammo part is just too much for me

[calm shard]

double barrel with no ammo aura

just weapon specialist right tree vet

move speed aura, smokes, double barrel

the whole shebang

[lost frigate]

ok will try that ty for trip

[dry cloak]

also after you hit 0 ammo and have vet with ammo aura

just dont switch to the gun

[void dragon]

Would it be too bad that the double barrel double shot had more caparace damage? It's kinda upsetting how little damage it does to the big guys

[dry cloak]

try shooting buckshot at 1cm thick steel plate

goodluck

[void dragon]

Sadly it's not the super shotgun

[grand perch]

time to bring the .500 nitro express

[dry cloak]

yup

and or 500 magnum revolver

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/shotgun-failure-gif-13638412

[dry cloak]

third mark

or the revolver when

[calm shard]

would it be a light revolver

or heavy revolver

[dry cloak]

heavy

[void dragon]

Single shot magnum

[dry cloak]

we have light

with agrip

medium with zarona

[lusty ether]

so there's actually a shit ton of historical variety in revolvers

revolvers with like 12 chambers

[calm shard]

4 shot handcannon?

or this thing

[dry cloak]

give me this

[lusty ether]

revolvers with shotguns in the middle of them

etc

[calm shard]

hehehe lemat

weird ass gun

[lusty ether]

I still want a stub pistol

also wouldn't mind a braced only laspistol

maximum zoom, please

[dry cloak]

yes 3 marks or stub pistol would be nice

and medium one is just 1911

[shut orbit]

Why did no one tell me about the Vraks infantry autogun

This shit is amazing

[lusty ether]

I mean, it's alright?

[dry cloak]

imo its the worst only because it the recoil

but to each his own

[shut orbit]

It is a bit of a pain to control, but I've gotten used to it

It just kills things so fast

Both the other Infantry autoguns feel really bad to me by comparison

[lusty ether]

I like the agrippina, tbh. I find it kills mediums better on headshots.

Gunners and such.

[dry cloak]

i like columnus 8 the middle one

feels the ebst to use imo

vraks mk5 only kills things fast because of its crits

nothing more

[shut orbit]

Thank god for Reciprocity

[lusty ether]

the vraks mainly does better at shooting hordes, imo

and shooting hordes is a semi bad habit

[void dragon]

Recoil is troublesome but one can adapt to it, the thing is that it's damage potential is quite high

Can down crushers oddly fast in the right setup compared to stuff like a vigilant or braced Agun

[calm shard]

It's honestly insane that it does that without any brittleness/rending too

Like that shits finesse modifier alone kills crushers

Ridiculous gun

[void dragon]

Indeed

[shut orbit]

I was baffled by how quick it deletes crushers, I thought it'd be bad against carapace lol

[void dragon]

I was expecting vigilant to do better with full headshots but nope, vraks crush

[shut orbit]

What do you think of Fire frenzy VS deathspitter? I see deathspitter reccomended the most but fire frenzy sounds great

Also is there a specific reason people run a crit perk on it?

Is it just because of the 3 crit chain?

[void dragon]

The finesse mod is why you want crit iirc, your damage can bypass a lot of defenses when critting and your vraks crits HURT

[faint beacon]

Vigils reward landing headshots hence why it’s finesse is so ludicrous

Hell it’s one of the handful of guns that genuinely benefits a lot from taking Marksmen Focus

[shut orbit]

Is there any way to see the finesse boost? Or do you just look at the difference between body and weakspot hits (which is like 2.5x in this case)

[void dragon]

Iirc that's the finesse in action, the more damage it deals on weakspots the more finesse mod it has, it also affects crits

[faint beacon]

Finesse boosts both Crits and Weakspot

but its a lot more noticeable obviously with Crit Weakspot

[shut orbit]

What counts as "close range" for dumdum?

[hollow ibex]

0-12.5m for full effect

then after than up to 30m, scaling down from 100% effect to 0

[shut orbit]

Thanks

[calm shard]

If you're ever curious why longshot is such an awful talent it works the opposite way

starting at no boost from 0-12.5 meters, and then scaling up from that 0 to the 20% boost at 30 meters

[shut orbit]

Yea I read about that somewhere lmao

I'm still torn between fire frenzy and deathspitter, fire frenzy seems like such a big damage buff

[unreal nova]

How many spots is there where you get full 30m?

[calm shard]

uuuh quite a few

varies heavily by map

[left patrol]

12.5 is close? That's kinda crazy no wonder it's good

[calm shard]

obviously the bridges at the start of hab dreyko and the chasm terminus missions

[faint beacon]

12.5 is the furthest "close"

which is think is fucking wild

I was fine with 8m

[hollow ibex]

yeah, but even at 20m it's still getting most of the effect

like 60%ish?

[left patrol]

I know thats still really far

[tame oar]

hey so I was following this build, and I got a chainsword that dumps the shredder stat. Since the plan is to just spam light attacks, wouldn't that be even better? Because according to the game, shredder only affects the special attack and all. https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b87b5fd-c1aa-4605-9515-e5f762e17a52/stormtrooper-veteran-krak-grenade-voice-of-command-weapon-specialist?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[calm shard]

It's a chainsword. It's the worst melee in the game

You can put any stat on it and it will be a disappointment

[hollow ibex]

skipping reciprocity + desperado to take onslaught

well ig with chsword you're going to need the vraks a lot

[calm shard]

also grenade tinkerer kraks

so that you kill that one crusher it sticks to even harder

[left patrol]

It makes so sad chainsword isnt better because its so cool

Also i like using the 6th skin from hestia

[tame oar]

what changes do u suggest?

[left patrol]

Add a bajillion damage and make it swing twenty times as fast

[faint beacon]

A lot of weapons could use small tune ups

[hollow ibex]

make the chain part not fucking suck, weapon generally needs better adms against armor

[gilded wraith]

Anyone tried Rashad with Headtaker, Decimator, Hotshot for a no ammo maelstrom?

[calm shard]

No? Why the hell would I run Rashad without Brutal Momentum

[hollow ibex]

rashad lights have like .0001 cleave right?

hotshot will do literally nothing for it

ah sorry

1.5 cleave

.001 is achlys

[calm shard]

how is achlys real

[left patrol]

There needed to be someone bearing the heel

[grand perch]

someone was in a funny mood when giving that cleave to achlys

[gilded wraith]

Just futzing and trying to find a melee weapon that might be fun with tier 1 hot-shot.

[tame oar]

I mean what changes in perks and what other melee would you guys suggest instead of the build I linked?

[hollow ibex]

vet melee now is basically just PS, DS, rashad, knife or heavysword (for bolter or shooter builds)

[tall torrent]

I think tac axe II / VII scale better than heavy sword for those builds

[hollow ibex]

haven't played with those taxes so wouldn't know

[sharp epoch]

we always play with taxes on our build we vet

[midnight totem]

anybody here have or need the finish under 25 minute mortis trial penance?

[fluid orbit]

i have it

though i only really got it by chance

it's easier to do on one of the two maps, because the wave3/6/9 objectives always spawn on a different spot, so you can kind of "predict" where the next objective is by remembering where one already was

[frank basin]

Plasma + Taxe ❤️

[tropic notch]

Tac axe and d barrel

It’s so friggin balanced

Just like shovel

[sharp epoch]

"balanced" means trash basically

[fluid orbit]

balanced is "not bad" but not good enough for higher difficulties

unless it's sarcastic and actually meant to be trash

[tropic notch]

I’m pretty sure shovel isn’t bad in havoc

[sharp epoch]

Balanced should mean at least useable on the hardest difficulties at least

[tropic notch]

Cole had a vid on it

[sharp epoch]

Was cole with a premade?

[tropic notch]

Huh?

[sharp epoch]

Like a group

If he was they can easily cover the weakness of the shovel

[tropic notch]

No he was by himself testing in havoc

[sharp epoch]

while he's basically just on his gun most the time

[tropic notch]

@slow sky can we have your havoc shovel vid?

[sharp epoch]

im pro now i passed 1000 hours 😼

[formal ice]

@umbral scaffold would find a reason to not say you are a pro

"You are still level 300"

[unreal nova]

Need 5k lvls min.

[thorn lark]

@slow sky doesn't need a premade on any weapon tbh

[umbral scaffold]

Nobody likes him huh 😂

[slow sky]

i dont think i have a vid specifically with havoc shovel that isnt it against bosses

with just funny skullcrusher

premade - all vet team in old havoc

party finder run

[tropic notch]

Ahh I see

[slow sky]

but the main thing is the fact that shovel can kinda do everything except armor, and can be made to be capable of dealing with armor if you really want it to
the only issue is the fact that its not busted as hell and you need to know how to melee, so people think its dogshit
it has a pretty good cleave profile, can get some decent cleave buffs from decimator, literally has skullcrusher, and the stagger from decimator and voc can help with hitmass reductions for when you really need to cleave

[elder fiber]

tbh I'm more concerned about how stuff deals with thicc mass like orange moebian than bosses

figures you gotta drop uncanny for deci

[slow sky]

-# i tried to have orange not change hitmass at the very least but alas

hitmass increases in havoc my beloathed

[elder fiber]

I like it for gatekeeping knife/ds

not so much for gatekeeping fucking chaxe

[slow sky]

it all but makes them more valuable

like seriously

any weapon that doesnt have insane cleave, a method of getting insane cleave like wrath, a way to ignore it like deathblow/BM, or just infinite cleave inherently, is now just a worse single target weapon

many weapon marks and combos are rendered useless, and why take a weapon that forced into the role of single target inadvertantly when you can take an actual single target weapon thats good at that

[red robin]

hotshot tier 1 reduces hit mass by 80% on weakspot hit

i like it

gotta use helbore tho

but it applies to melee

[slow sky]

it doesnt reduce hitmass

it increases cleave

similar but there is a difference

[elder fiber]

def a Skill Issue but it exacerbates the classic knife/ds player habit where they just don't/can't hold a line vs mass

but yeah idk maybe chaxe heavy stopping on a single Tang moebian is a bit much idk lol

[slow sky]

nvm i lied it IS hitmass???

[slow sky]

yeah im there

[red robin]

kuli goated

[slow sky]

i always double check myself

i knew it applied to melee but holy shit im going to kms

[red robin]

🙂

i like it

[slow sky]

hitmass and cleave are 2 different things fatshark

AAAAAAAAAA

the only issue is the fact that if im running helbore in havoc im effectively not running a gun

because its draw time is absolute ass for the weapon it is

[elder fiber]

helsnore 💤

[slow sky]

its the only gun in the game that doesnt adhere to the general rule of "the bigger punch it packs, the longer it takes to pull out"

[trail raptor]

Shock maul mark preference?

[red robin]

i kinda just run it as a hipfire brain turnoff machine

[slow sky]

agni

not to mention after that long draw time you have to charge it so youre doing 2 steps of waiting until you shoot what you want to

[void dragon]

what's the issue with hellbore and why its not as good as say the boltgun?

[elder fiber]

boltgun kill better

[void dragon]

is that the charge attacks should do much more than the point and click?

[red robin]

helbore weapon swap is abysmal

[slow sky]

grah helbore needs a tune up
it needs an overall profile adjustment, nothing major
better sights
much much faster swap speed

[red robin]

gotta reload and sprint to just cancel the sluggish draw

[slow sky]

this is why zealot is the goat

knife animation cancels

[frank basin]

equal to bolter?

[slow sky]

and why vet stinky poopoo (i swap to my gun then swap to my grenade and try to shoot)

[hollow ibex]

worse

[hollow ibex]

just buy a p2w skin bro

[void dragon]

which one?

[frank basin]

use weapon customization for sight issue

[red robin]

which skin?

the golden one has misaligned sights i find

[slow sky]

console players exist
modding cant be a solution for a functional issue with a weapon

[frank basin]

are you console player?

[void dragon]

console needs mods, they deserve to play a functional game

[hollow ibex]

using this one

[slow sky]

im not a console player but just because im not doesnt mean there arent any and its a real issue that exists

i dont use weapon customization cuz i prefer my game not running out of memory every 1.5 games

[hollow ibex]

yeah

weapon customization is cool

but a stable game is even cooler

[frank basin]

then don't worry about console player

[hollow ibex]

also the crosshair mod is all i need for good aiming anyway

[red robin]

the sight on this is misaligned

[void dragon]

me getting tons of 2014 2001 errors even without mods: eh, its not like it changes anything

[hollow ibex]

how so? looks fine to me 🤔

[void dragon]

and honestly i feel that the mod doesnt really makes lots of crashes anyway

[frank basin]

it is the sway?

[red robin]

idk i dont like the nib blocking heads

[hollow ibex]

yes

[red robin]

id prefer if it was centered on the top on the nib

[hollow ibex]

the original skin also isn't exactly centered

[frank basin]

hmmm

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent can you link your steam guide?

[hollow ibex]

even with ES on, there's sway it seems like

[ebon umbra]

offset sights are a feature

[red robin]

im punching the air

i like weapon customization but I just hate the lag the scripts do

[hollow ibex]

tbf... it's prob just the sway

and it won't matter in 99% of circumstances

[tropic notch]

Only mod I need is weapon fov increase

[red robin]

immersive evasion is like

my fav mod

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-moment-fall-funny-gif-14683854

love my dodges feeling like this

[hidden tree]

best knife perks for havoc 40?

for bps

[tame lodge]

Uh
The one where you pick Power Sword 6

It's probably Uncanny and Precognition

[faint beacon]

@slow sky load world for another calamity run, set to random

fell for Crimson again award pin here

[hidden tree]

perks not blessings lol

[austere mica]

I like crimson its better for melee

[faint beacon]

Issue

im a ranger player

you see the issue

LMAO

[austere mica]

Unfortunate

[tropic notch]

Uncanny riposte/ flak unyielding

[void dragon]

MAN why the Heavy sword that is supposed to deal better whit hordes while weaker vs caparace is WORSE than the power sword while it also can kill crushers?

[tropic notch]

Mk6 knife

[faint beacon]

Check out the incredibly normal resource pack thats keeping me sane during this run

[austere mica]

You would however be interested in the fact they are adding ammo switching though

[hidden tree]

why not uncanny flesh tearer

and cara unyield

[void dragon]

also power sword really struggle vs H40 hordes outside of weapon specialist

quite surprising

[hollow ibex]

yeah PS benefits a lot from the melee talents

when things get sketchy

[tropic notch]

It’s choice , ft or riposte, flak is needed for captains and everything else flak

[void dragon]

yeah, but you would expect the Hsword to be even better if you are trading your capacity to fight caparace