veteran-class

[pastel zealot]

Lately I've been playing a melee heavy psyker with assail and hip fire revolver

[tall torrent]

knife is top tier

[bleak cradle]

In havoc?

[tall torrent]

yea

[red robin]

ayo

why slaughter spree on mk iv?

[tall torrent]

honestly forgot

mk4 is not very good

[red robin]

taxe

[tall torrent]

yea

I forgot

[red robin]

my b i should of specified

[tall torrent]

last I updated that word doc is like 6 months ago lol

[red robin]

i mean id like to use it

[tall torrent]

I've been working entirely on steam version

[tall torrent]

I don't think mk4 tac axe is worth

best tac axe is mk7

mk2 is also ok

[red robin]

what brings up mk 7 over the rest?

[tall torrent]

more intuitive atk patterns

[red robin]

makes sense

[tall torrent]

(still not that great but it makes a bit more sense)

[tame lodge]

Hmmmm

Despite Mk4 H2 being an uppercut

It doesn't have any advantage of being an uppercut

[red robin]

yeah

[dry cloak]

arent most uppercuts in the game strikeDOWNS

[red robin]

i like that abt it

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-computer-mad-angry-gif-18413956748387057285

[tall torrent]

yea no BM 1tap breakpoint + 3 cleave

recipe for disaster

[red robin]

Question is

[hollow ibex]

i really don't think it's that bad, even on vet

[red robin]

Can I use hotshot tier 1

[tame lodge]

But because of their angles, they usually reward accuracy with big weakspot damage
But Mk4 H2 has the same damage as all the other heavies

[red robin]

To make is decent

[tall torrent]

tac axe has CDDC of 3

after 3 targets u do zero damage in cleave

[red robin]

80% hit mass reduction is nothing burger?

[tall torrent]

if u want a stagger stick that depends entirely on weakspot hits and has low carapace & unyielding dmg, u can

[red robin]

But it’s feasible

[tall torrent]

do I recommend that? no

[tall torrent]

read what I wrote

[red robin]

I did, but I just want to demo it

But ngl

Not getting brutal momentum off kinda ass

[hollow ibex]

i don't take brumentum on mk 4 yeah

[red robin]

What do you take?

Shred and slaughterer?

Headtaker I mean

They blur together

[hollow ibex]

HT + relentless strikes

HT + shred is about the same

[red robin]

What’s relentless strikes?

Attacks on same target gives str

[undone sigil]

Maybe you should strikeUP a conversation with FS about the naming convention

[hollow ibex]

mainly for crushers

i didn't find shred really changing the horde clear time that much

but shred is ofc a good option too

[red robin]

Doesn’t like crit have good armor dmg

Hmm

Better armor dmg

Just by a margin

[hollow ibex]

i think relentless strikes was a bit better against crushers so that's what i ultimately went with

[red robin]

I might demo shred

[tall torrent]

lol u would think

[undone sigil]

I like the crit on my taxe as it goes through armour better and you get a lot of crit bonuses

[red robin]

Game sucks

[undone sigil]

Since it's basically a choppy dagger

[hollow ibex]

either way, i think HT is mandatory on taxe mk4

after that, it's up to you

[red robin]

Most unintuitive shit I’ve ever seen

[tall torrent]

I think tac axe has 1 rly good role for vet and that's about it lol

[red robin]

What’s that?

[tall torrent]

melee backup for exe boltgun

it's safer than heavy sword by a substantial margin

[undone sigil]

If you've got boltgun you don't really need an assassin weapon though do you

[tall torrent]

why not

[undone sigil]

Doubling down

[tall torrent]

I'm talking about exe boltgun

no VoC

[undone sigil]

Boltgun clears your ogstrosities

So you just need something for the rest

[tall torrent]

that extra safety in block efficiency, dodge distance, stagger availability

helps a lot

[tall torrent]

yea, tac axe for the rest lol

[undone sigil]

I do love taxe

[tall torrent]

tac axe just sucks vs 2 armor types

[undone sigil]

But it isn't something I enjoy clearing blobs with

Mainly due to the very vertical strikes being not ideal for bromentum except in great densities

[grand perch]

wasnt slaughter spree because of bruiser 1 taps

[tall torrent]

I put headtaker / shred below it in word doc (can't remember why)

on zealot, slaughter spree is pretty funny since u can guarantee melee crit hit

but on vet I can't rly think of a reason to use mk4 over the other 2 tac axes

trading away what tac axe is good at to light spam

[hollow ibex]

the light spam is worth it

[tall torrent]

all that m1 clicking just to be 0.25x of a rashad

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[hollow ibex]

laughs in Keep Swinging

and yeah obv taxe mk4 is nowhere near rashad

[hidden tree]

whats the best shotgun

[hidden tree]

[hollow ibex]

doublebarrel

[tall torrent]

DB

[hidden tree]

pain

[sharp epoch]

kickback or ripper

[tame lodge]

As a ripper gunner

Ripper

The mk5 is usually the recommended one

[red robin]

what makes the agrippna fall short?

[tame lodge]

But I'm a Mk2 enjoyer

[tall torrent]

combat shotguns' 1-tap consistency is pretty bad

[red robin]

pepe hands

is that from dmg falloff?

[hidden tree]

using it right now and its the worst weapon in the game

[red robin]

or do shotguns not suffer dmg fallout

[signal garden]

Yeah I've found the flame shot is the best shot, slug is hella inconsistent unless you go marksmen keystone

[red robin]

just min pellet count

[signal garden]

I'm which case you probably aren't using the slug and instead relying on the tight spread to get relatively easy headshot

[tall torrent]

yea

[red robin]

damn

[tall torrent]

and that too lol

[red robin]

another day i wish vet had a dmg falloff talent

rework only hopes

i miss you huntsmen kruber

and waystalker

[undone sigil]

I could definitely use some pointers with the rashad. It has nice damage but does seem to balk at numbers

Shame it can't loop the heavy swipe

[tall torrent]

what heavy swipe

what axe are u using

[undone sigil]

The sideways heavy

Good at hitting headheight

[sharp epoch]

Rashad only has overhead heavy pretty sure

[tall torrent]

check again what the name is

[signal garden]

Ya the saltzpyre overhead spam

[undone sigil]

Push attack and heavy I think

[tame lodge]

That's the achlys

Not Rashad

[signal garden]

Rashad is best though right

[sharp epoch]

Yes

[signal garden]

"best", I feel like diagonals hit weak spots the easiest, freaking verticals it shoulders and horizontals feel weird in prolonged combat, mind numbingly so

[undone sigil]

I'll have to double check maybe

I know if you do heavies with the axes they do repeated strikedowns. But I could swear you could get a one off back and forth heavy with pushing before it looped to strikes

[tall torrent]

that is not rashad

[tame lodge]

No need for " "

[unreal nova]

Wait, the downwards chops are not?

[tame lodge]

It is the best

[undone sigil]

I can never remember them by their names

[tall torrent]

rashad doesn't have horizontal heavy

[tame lodge]

Rashad moment

[undone sigil]

Cleave blue axe, what I thought was the rashad and then the thin taxe looking thing

[unreal nova]

I just know it loops the chops.

[sharp epoch]

Antax is the blue one

[unreal nova]

And then you get the, but they are all red jokes.

[tall torrent]

finally figured out how to do combo chart for tac axe II

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-always-sunny-gif-26054360

can we please talk about tac axe 2? im dying to talk about tac axe 2

[unreal nova]

When knoife? Flees.

[tall torrent]

knife would be easier actually

hardest so far was power sword VI

those 2 special actions really took me time to figure out

[unreal nova]

Oh? Mk6 even?

[tall torrent]

yea because everything chains back into H2

it's predictably H2-central

this is power sword VI

it has 2 special actions that are chained by different attacks

and a combo heavy atk that's only accessible with special 2

[unreal nova]

Ah.

To be fair, I light or heavy everything. XD

[tall torrent]

actually I made a mistake

gonna fix

[hidden tree]

is there a time limit for the damage buff on focus target or is it just until the ping goes away?

like should i keep pinging every 10 seconds

[tall torrent]

25s (same duration as tag)

fixed @unreal nova

[hidden tree]

so just tag and kill till it runs out or target dies pm?

[tall torrent]

tag, kill within 2s, repeat

that's how FT is meant to be played

[hidden tree]

but the damage buff lasts awhile. i mean like for bosses and stuff

cuz if i tag a boss and hes FTd does the buff last as long as the ping is on him so i dont have to keep pinging him

[unreal nova]

All I know is turn on and light, yes. Flees.

[tall torrent]

@hidden tree

[hidden tree]

yea i read thats why i got confused whne you said kill within 2s

[hidden tree]

thanks

[unreal nova]

Is just to maximise use on smaller targets.

[tall torrent]

the kill within 2s part is to use its minimum refresh mechanic

where u gain 1 stack immediately

[hidden tree]

yea i get it now

[tall torrent]

this means in actual combat, every enemy u tag is usually at 2 stacks

[hidden tree]

yup

[tall torrent]

nvm I did not

[red robin]

why not skullcrusher on devils claw?

[tall torrent]

its stagger is ass

[red robin]

shiet

[undone sigil]

You're right, I got my caxes completely mixed up

[grand perch]

where exactly is the issue

[red robin]

so if it had an impact blessing it would do better?

like

workable

or soft trolling with that chicanery

[sharp epoch]

i dont think you can salvage it

[red robin]

damn

[hidden tree]

spearhead boltgun perks are flak maniac right?

[red robin]

i be using hotshot tier 1 (80% hit mass reduction on weakspot hit) to avoid taking cleave blessings

so thats one blessing slot free for me

[cinder token]

exe stance with baked-in outline upgrades and -aggro from poxwalkers would be sublime

[red robin]

guessing just take rampage and shred eh

on devils claw

[cinder token]

please fatshark 🙏🏻

[tall torrent]

yea

[red robin]

true baked in outline for shooters would be huge

can get talents like insta reload in its spot

[sharp epoch]

baked in outline upgrade would be good to remove the node tax

just make the ogryn outlines the tax part

[cinder token]

+++

it's not very usable without the shooters upgrade IMO

[tall torrent]

Special 1 chains into Special 2
I can't connect them without making lines cross

[red robin]

buff that one by making highlighted ogyrns have 20% power on headshot

or dmg received

discount tag

[tall torrent]

it doesn't need to take subnodes

[sharp epoch]

it might overshadow bring them down, but yeah it isn't really worth a node

[cinder token]

guys please send me your MMF recon lasgun builds 🙏🏻

[red robin]

its tied to executioners stance

[red robin]

15 stacks and tunnel vision

[grand perch]

please dont because its not good

even at 15 stacks MMf the finesse bonus is hardly there

[cinder token]

it will help me to farm the penance and i'm playing basic damnations so i should be good

[sharp epoch]

Woops wrong one

[hidden tree]

MMF?

[red robin]

marksmen focus

[grand perch]

fair nuff

[hidden tree]

ah

[red robin]

MF/MFF

omg he's right, the finesse bonus on the recons nothing burger

[unreal nova]

Oh, he wants to do the crabwalk simulator.

[undone sigil]

Doesn't finesse increase your crit chance

[red robin]

it doesn't

crit damage and weakspot dmg buff

[unreal nova]

Is crit damage.

[undone sigil]

If it did then it probably would be busted with infernus

[red robin]

headhunter good enough

[sharp epoch]

I use MMF for the stamina regen

[unreal nova]

Is basically meh on recons.

[hidden tree]

you got a hav 40 one i can compare to?

[red robin]

deadshot solid enough

[unreal nova]

Good if you use inf las or hellbores, i guess.

[undone sigil]

I know it's not viable, but which is the most usable version of the stupid hellbore

[red robin]

automatic weapons do amazing with mmf

[undone sigil]

The big one seems too slow and clumsy

[sharp epoch]

That's for malestroms, havoc 40 I run something else one sec

[tall torrent]

no

[hidden tree]

my eyes are open

[red robin]

these are all additive eh?

[hidden tree]

what gun for that?

[red robin]

like 10% weakspot perk would add to 30% from precision strikes equaling 40%?

[sharp epoch]

Plasma Psword

[cinder token]

today I've been playing deadshot+tunnel vision, a buster crept behind me and I didn't have stamina to push attack him
i'm starting to think that deadshot is NOT GOOD

[hidden tree]

makes sense

[red robin]

lmao WS with invigorated kinda decent for this

ranged specialist gives 20% stamina once you get out your melee

nothing burger hella tax to do that for deadshot which is alot for a niche

[hidden tree]

time to play ogryn

[grand perch]

i mean the lazy answer would be this
but im looking into something that doesnt break the apparent rule of no double attack entries

in this the viewer would hopefully understand they need to follow special 2 here

[unreal nova]

It was never good. Just funni memes.

They just made it slightly more usable to meme with.

[cinder token]

my soul will never find peace until I grind MMF penance with a Helbore

see you in a month

[red robin]

do it with shotgun

[unreal nova]

Just stab things in the face.

[red robin]

lawbringer makes it hella doable

[unreal nova]

While crabwalking.

[cinder token]

veteran gaming

[red robin]

just hotshot and you'll never have to crab walk in your life

only thing holding back mmf is hit reg

[cinder token]

if I wanted to cheese it I just could take camouflage and magdump into a horde

[unreal nova]

That's just crouch in the kitchen on mercantile.

[cinder token]

with a recon lasgun

[unreal nova]

And hack away for 45 mins.

[red robin]

mk xiv las gun good for mmf?

since it has a bit for cleave?

do cleave headshots stack up mff?

[tall torrent]

nah I don't wanna do that style

I'll cope with this

[tall torrent]

No

[tall torrent]

Yes

[sharp epoch]

Yeah I specifically run it with the MMF stamina node so that situation doesnt happen as much, also I took the .25% stamina regen and my curios all have 12% stam regen

[grand perch]

yeah i think its impossible without crossing

[cinder token]

i still need to learn what to run: sprint efficiency or stam regen

[tall torrent]

I did power sword without crossing cuz special 1 doesn’t directly link into special 2

[grand perch]

best i could come up with was this

[cinder token]

don't really get what's better in the field

[tall torrent]

For veteran, sprint efficiency
For zealot, stamina regen
For psyker, neither
For ogryn, optionally get sprint efficiency

[unreal nova]

Psyker with stam regen is funni though.

[grand perch]

nah doesnt work without 1 crossing

tac axes gotta be special again

[cinder token]

why sprint efficiency for vet and stam regen for zealot? did you run some tests?

[unreal nova]

Cos vet takes so long to start regenning, you are better off reducing stam usage from sprinting instead.

While zealots regen is already fast, so goes nyoomer. Psykers can just slide spam and regen stam so heh.

Oggies is like vet in a way.

[narrow frost]

Is stam regen, the amount regained. Not delay?

Random thought, because isn't only the vet grey nodes the only thing that change stamina delay?

[unreal nova]

Pretty sure is amount gained goes up.

The delay is still forever without those 2 nodes.

[tall torrent]

Stam regen is the regeneration rate (per second) after delay has expired

[tall torrent]

Yes
And most of the time vet can’t afford either

[narrow frost]

Thank you

[tall torrent]

U basically always have to trade important talents to get stam regen delay reduction

[hollow ibex]

Yah I never end up taking them

[narrow frost]

Or, have a better build. Take smokes with all grenade talents

[hollow ibex]

I don’t get why vet stamina is this bad

It’s not like a dudes who’s been fighting all his life is going to be so out of shape

[pseudo fiber]

Old

[unreal nova]

Excuse me... There's that old man in Japan that runs up mountain sides at over 110.

How old can our vets be lorewise?

[tall torrent]

Carries too much stuff

the logical explanation for demo stockpile + demo team is that veteran actually just has an STC that prints grenades every once in a while

[grand perch]

nah theyre just stuffed up our bum

alternatively
https://images.steamusercontent.com/ugc/54712754088165870/E09C0DF6F12FD3F7BD5C2AF30EEFBCB8423AC3BF/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

[tame lodge]

Battlefield levels of grenade spam

[faint beacon]

Battlefield 1

To be specific

[tame lodge]

As a support main

Yeah

[faint beacon]

Yeah Didnt know the German Empire during the Kaiserschlacht used their entire surplus of frag grenades

[tame lodge]

Here's an ammo crate

[faint beacon]

Did you run GL bow

Lmao

[tall torrent]

TAC AXE II DONE

20 melee weapons left

[unreal nova]

SUS.

[grand perch]

havoc 40 is so depressing if you dont wanna play meta builds

before the changes it was fun going in with tac axe and shredder pistol and such. not anymore

[fading yarrow]

Queued up for Mortis Trials
Instant pop
It put me in the outro segment

I initially thought the match had just started as it was giving me abilities, then I noticed someone was missing a wound and people were saying GG

I was all

[hollow ibex]

free resources

[fair river]

I wish we can have no recoil with the infantry lasrifles

Like recon barely has any recoil, but we can’t have that for infantry :((

[serene bough]

H40 always felt depressing tbh

Unless you got a good 4- stack to have fun with, its just slower and more tedious imo

[grizzled pebble]

If you're psyker you can still have fun and other stuff.

And not just spam burga bubble 24/7

[grand perch]

i specifically mean vet

[grizzled pebble]

Uh uhhhh... you have ds4 knife and p sword Xd

Revovler, recon las and p gun Xd

Smoke too it can also work.

[unreal nova]

Just no kraks.

[grizzled pebble]

Tru it's a bit sus and not bringing ammo aura feels really bad for efficiency.

[hidden tree]

whats shockmauls perks and blessings?

[tame lodge]

Skullcrusher + High Voltage/Hammerblow

Carapace and Maniacs

[left patrol]

$25 petrol card and blessing of the omnissiah

[tame lodge]

Bring something to kill monstrosities

[hidden tree]

what mk?

[tame lodge]

Munitorum

So mk3

Yeah?

[fading yarrow]

Tfw finally complete a Malice Mortis in 24 minutes so I decide to chill grinding out the rest in Uprising

Tfw Uprising takes 10 minutes longer to complete

[unreal nova]

Cos ppl either suck more there, or you have to solo.

[tall torrent]

I'm gonna rework all melee weapons' combo charts

line crossing is fine at this point, idc anymore

tac axe is impossible without crossing lines

at least I have these lines colored

[grand perch]

i see no issue with that

just dont make it similar green and red colors, the most common colorblindness

[tall torrent]

yea I'm prob gonna overhaul these colors

issue is I'm not colorblind

so idc which colors to specifically use

yellow? orange?

[sharp epoch]

im gonna be honest idk what these combos flowchart means

[tropic notch]

Idk how people need bubble

For old havoc sure it depended on a modifer

New havoc it’s not needed

Venting will just wipe everything

[signal cypress]

Bubble makes the game boring

I like sliding everywhere personally

[tall torrent]

which move chains into which next move

this looks pretty clean?

[unreal nova]

Not at 300 ping. My slides don't even do anything half the time.

[grizzled pebble]

But sometimes rampaging reaper kinda sucks. It's immune to cc. 😦

[tall torrent]

actually I'll swap red to white

[tropic notch]

By the time it procs It’s usually almost dead

[grizzled pebble]

When there's a healing guy behind it

Maybe one day I'll be gud enough to play greatsword without bubble.

[tall torrent]

nvm that sucks

[signal cypress]

Get better wifi ig

[tall torrent]

ok version 6.7

seems readable enough in terms of color contrast even with full red/green blindness

[barren nimbus]

I thought you were level 1000

[tropic notch]

He’s making a guide

[serene bough]

Gotta reinstall my mods I forget which level i am

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent path for vet, on havoc do you prefer right or middle starting nodes?

[tall torrent]

if power sword, right
if duelling sword, middle

[red robin]

oi

how is based damage calculated?

like im reading kulis guides

it says its just a damage increase

[tall torrent]

enjoy ur read

[red robin]

i am actually enjoying the read

being able to make sense of something unintuitive is engaging learning to me

[tall torrent]

if u have questions, ask

[red robin]

ty good sir

i gotta read it some more to formulate what I want to ask

very in depth, i like the sorted separation of the types of circumstantial dmg

[red robin]

wtf is finesse curve?

like with how some ranged weapons having different ratios to weakspot and crit dmg or finesse numbers

[tall torrent]

is that smth in kuli's guide or mine

[red robin]

hmmm, its like in darktides patch note wording

my bad its finesse multiplier

[tall torrent]

shredder autopistol has ~x160% of its Bdmg on weakspot and crit hits

[red robin]

is that dc dw and dcw?

[tall torrent]

and x200% of its Bdmg on crit-weakspot hit

I don't know what their writing actually means

I just check the specific values

for example

against Flak

dW = 92 - 58 = 34
dC = 92 - 58 = 34
dCW = 115 - 58 = 57

this is what is used in calculation

[red robin]

ok

[tall torrent]

see the finesse section for how it's calculated

[red robin]

yeah i saw that portion and was thinking of vigilant rifles

[tall torrent]

I also have a section entirely dedicated to showing how different damage bonuses stack up in calculation

[red robin]

the 20% dmg and 20% str explanation is right proper

it being 144% dmg is cool

I never got to visualize that multiplier because I am not math brained

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent this is what I have been using for havocs, but I feel like I can optmize it further

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da78034-dbda-4eff-aebc-f5660464fab7/vet-havoc-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[tall torrent]

I don't like recon

[orchid hemlock]

but I do 😔

actually, due to how dense the hordes are this season, I'm wondering if I can instead use XIV since it will help a lot killing the specialists thru the horde 🤔

[tall torrent]

4.8 mass poxwalker without orange

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

[orchid hemlock]

wait so it wont work? 😔

[tall torrent]

recon XIV has a cleave of 3

[tame lodge]

4.7 cleave at best

[orchid hemlock]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[tame lodge]

Wait, is it

3 clv base
20% marksman
5 stacks of Dspitter

[orchid hemlock]

me using markman:

[tame lodge]

Wait I think it's 4.5 at best

[red robin]

ayo

uncanny at 120% rending, that 20% becomes what dmg%

5%?

[gilded wraith]

did havoc 2.0 reduce the ammo penalty some? or is it just that I'm 10 levels lower

[red robin]

to only affected armor types

[tame lodge]

I know they changed the highest penalty from -75% to -60%

[gilded wraith]

That would explain the feel.

[tame lodge]

I do not know about the lowers though

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

this is not quite accurate

because no weapon has 0% ADM

[red robin]

yeahh

[high mulch]

Ey fellas. Can you provide me with something

Im thinking about this worker threads. I got 12 Cores, 16 Log processors.
What do i put it to, cus max is 14 worker threads.

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent what blessing su use for branx again? 🤔

[tall torrent]

Karsolas Pickaxe
Unyielding
Elite
Headtaker
Slaughterer

Borovian Pickaxe
Maniac
Unyielding
Headtaker
Torment

Branx Pickaxe
Unyielding
Elite
Headtaker
Torment

I kind of lean more towards borovian now

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1362636331922096309/Untitled_video_1.mp4?ex=68031d7a&is=6801cbfa&hm=4af33830a2c10a47887a5e4270320fafea370bcdde345fd94b73f29bde8434e4&

[orchid hemlock]

wait why do u take torment on borv?

doesn't it do like no damage?

[tame lodge]

Well you're clearly seeing it dealing damage

[orchid hemlock]

wait am I reading the ability wrong?

oh it gives u strength from special hit, not the special attack itself

[tame lodge]

It's not Limbsplitter

Fr fr

[orchid hemlock]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[faint beacon]

I was going to ask why Torment but I see why now with this clip

torment more so existing as a fuck you to bosses and Cara/Ogryns

[tall torrent]

"thrust if it was good"

[faint beacon]

Mainly in regards to Borovian

[tall torrent]

torment basically fulfills what thrust does for u

it's just 10x easier to play

[faint beacon]

without the

Hold M1 for 5 seconds

[tall torrent]

I finished reworking all combo charts I did

[tame lodge]

One tac axe made you rework the system?

😭

Looks clean though

[red robin]

process lasso is good for that

you can remove core 0 from darktide running it, core 0 is usually worked like a horse from windows processes

idk if its all placebo

game usually makes it your max threads minus 2 and moves it down one, 16 is set to 13 by default

i find darktide is cpu loaded, so lowering the cpu heavy settings can help too

[high mulch]

The hell, no idea how or what 😅😅

[red robin]

process lasso

if you don't know what you're doing, go with the default or play around with the amount of threads set

old reddit threads say equal to the number of cores, +1 or -1

[high mulch]

Checked it, looks difficult. Damn😅

[red robin]

or go with 13

8 cores, so 7-9

but that's if you encounter crashes, it might tank your performance with less threads but might make it stable

also cpu cores are literally random, your pc might run best with a specific amount of threads running

again, default is 13 but play around with 9-13

[tall torrent]

yea

[orchid hemlock]

I have 16, what is the best thread count for this game? 🤔

[grand perch]

the color scheme works well i think. i have no trouble telling red and green apart for instance

[grand perch]

i only have 1 note. i'd sacrifice kill zone and rending strikes to get trench fighter drill. also i'd use 2 toughness curios but thats preference

[mortal horizon]

not the best clip, but after discussing refining my builds here havoc, weapon specialist using a powersword

and being told to make sure to grab .25 stam regain, +3 stam and reroll powersword to 80 mobility

it does feel alot better

was getting sick of the DS and just felt too sluggish with powersword in havoc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCwaFVQZSH8

but feeling a lot better now

good tips on that stuff for sure I was gimping the powerswords mobility/stam harder than i needed to

wish i captured more of this, probs another min or so of us fighting waves of guys before it starts but i wasnt recording fully just using shadowplay

when facing moebian 51st. Is sunder preferable to brutal momentum tho?
Or bc they have unarmoured heads BM still good im using BM + power cycler in the clip

[grand perch]

sunder was only really useful to cleave through carapace, youre better off with BM

[unreal forge]

the balance of darktide would crumble if instead of 3.5 seconds it was 4

[sharp epoch]

bm

[grizzled pebble]

Ashktually it's 21st

[mortal horizon]

lol tomato tamato

[undone sigil]

I like using them, but I have to wonder. Are the chain axes bad the father you go?

I feel they deal nice damage but I don't know if I'm just kidding myself

[umbral scaffold]

What perks and blessings should i use on bolter? Also dump stat?

[undone sigil]

I usually dump collateral so you can land follow up shots

Given you might accidentally put a crusher on its ass, which makes it notably harder to finish it off

[rocky jacinth]

chain axes aren't bad, the damage on the rev attack is great but the issue is that you're using a rev attack

it's too clunky and slow to be really comfortable to use in havoc

[undone sigil]

I see, I do like them though inknow they're a double edged sword, or well axe

Since you're stunning whatever you're killing, but you're also occupied if you want to finish the animation

Though you can dodge out of it if need be

Does that mean that all of the chain weapons aren't really used in havoc of any variety?

[versed osprey]

Anyone knows why this map appears locked?

[crimson wyvern]

just had a game where the veteran kept killing himself by jumping off edges

did he just want to be carried or something??

this was malice

[dry cloak]

wtf?

[crimson wyvern]

he ruined by win 15 games without a down streak the twat that he was, died while navigating the report function

[vernal ermine]

What is your opinion whot kark grenates without grenade tinkerer ?

[undone sigil]

Maybe he misinterpreted the cliffhanger penance

What blessings are best for the hellbore, I'm guessing armourbane and weight of fire/sustained fire?

[calm shard]

depends on the mark

[undone sigil]

Mk3a

[calm shard]

IIIa and IV are Surgical+Weight of Fire

And V is Armourbane+Surgical

[undone sigil]

Thought surgical would be too slow

[calm shard]

It's free crit chance, and a lot of it just for shooting normally

Since you always have to charge

Or well almost always

[sturdy talon]

Uh, i was lookin, but are there no veteran talent build pinned?

[undone sigil]

More so I'm surprised only one varient uses armourbane. All them free brittle stacks seemed too good to pass up

[calm shard]

Well the IIIa is slow and shit at killing armor even with it because it stacks too slow

And the Mk IV already kills carapace without it

[calm shard]

This is the most generally reliable one, but Veteran swaps talents around to suit specific weapons pretty frequently

So it's not really a class with a standardized build

You take talents that are relevant to your weapons, and if there aren't any you care about you take grenade talents instead

[sturdy talon]

mhm !

i now the shout is a super strong support stuff

[calm shard]

It's also good for killing things

Free stun, short cooldown

[sturdy talon]

ya, true.

[dry cloak]

if you need help with flawless execution i can help

[sturdy talon]

is it too glascanon/ego play if u wanna use firing kill from left side?

[calm shard]

It's not that it's a glass cannon or an ego play it's just that left side has no way to come back from a bad situation

[crimson wyvern]

Whenever you got time I'd love to, just will take forever doing 15 games

even on malice

[calm shard]

It has genuinely great damage output, and kills specialists/monstrosities everything really quickly

[crimson wyvern]

i feel a bit bad rushing the newbies through but they dont let us private so

[calm shard]

But what do you do about the things that end runs?

Ragers and Bulwarks aren't going to politely just let you shoot them

[dry cloak]

i can do it right now

[sturdy talon]

for example?

[calm shard]

Good luck shooting a chaos spawn to death with a horde breathing down your neck

Your teammates are down, and it's up to you, and exe stance just doesn't give you anything to deal wih that

both Infiltrate and VoC can help you there

Exe stance doesn't do shit

[sturdy talon]

mhm

funny thing is,. im not gona blame anyone in particular, but everytime my friends and i play (nobody a vet.) and a vet joins- its the most useless shit ever (and nobody using the shout)

9/10 they using plasma gun and talking big about killing the elite, whiles my ogryn and zealot buddy both do more elite kills

(talking in herresy/damnation difficulty(

[calm shard]

plasma gun+dueling sword is the current youtuber meta

so it's going to be what almost all of the bad players are using when trying to complete higher difficulties than they're used to

in the vain hopes that it will make up for their lack of skill

[sturdy talon]

[calm shard]

plasma is very good

dueling sword is a crutch

it's overpowered, and way too good, but it's not meta for current havoc

and aurics are easy enough that who cares really

[sturdy talon]

we unlocked havox. how hard is havox im comparisson

to other stuff?

[calm shard]

havoc scales quite al ot

[sturdy talon]

cant relate yet

[calm shard]

up until rank 21 it's comparable to, or a bit harder than auric damnation

[sturdy talon]

ohkay.

[calm shard]

16 is when it's auric heresy, 21 is auric damnation

below that is just the regular easy mode difficulties

[sturdy talon]

so should we for now just train auric 5 or just go havox ?

[calm shard]

25+ is all harder than that, and you have to deal with the unique modifiers and AI director bullshit that Havoc throws at you

I would highly recommend learning the game in aurics to get a taste for intensity before going into Havoc

It gets out of control real fast there

send help

[sturdy talon]

i mean we are no no players to DT if it sounded like that- havoc ist just new for us

[calm shard]

Sure give it a shot

It has a bunch of unique modifiers and once you get to the mid-high ranks it's way harder and imo more fun than regular gameplay

Expect to see a lot of monstrosities though

[sturdy talon]

😄

whats the deal with the weeklcy havox chest?

anything rewarding in there?

[calm shard]

Havoc missions don't give you plasteel/diamantine in missions or dockets for completing them, but every week gives you a reward chest based on your highest complete Havoc mission that week

That is plasteel/diamantine/dockets

It's nothing super special at the low ranks, but it's a lot at the high ranks

[sturdy talon]

mhm

somewhere i did see not orange but red labeld weapons, even with unique skins

wheres that from?

[calm shard]

But then if you are a high rank. You probably have a lot of hours in this game, and don't need either anymore

[calm shard]

mods, and mods

[sturdy talon]

lol

[calm shard]

the skins might also just be out of rotation and probably never coming back

[sturdy talon]

okey so i nreal gameplay there is no higher teh power lvl 500

or orange

[calm shard]

nope

[sturdy talon]

ty 😄

somebody else explained a whole bunch for me too. so actuall only courios are the rail pain in the ass to get good ones.

[calm shard]

yeah

I still don't have perfect curios on any of my characters except ogryn

Emperor blessed him

fuckin' annoying tbh

[sturdy talon]

are weapons/crourius character bound? oO

[calm shard]

yes weapons and curios are bound to your characters

even shared weapons

[sturdy talon]

so..diff class can or cant use shared wpns?

[calm shard]

they can equip the same weapons, but you have to get a seperate version on the character

[sturdy talon]

duh.

[calm shard]

mastery is shared between characters though

[sturdy talon]

as i told the other guys, i like Wh very much and i no lifed VT 2 and in DT for what they let VT 2 die for i thnk like 5 days a day at problems"why is it like in Vt2, duh"

why is not like in VT2

[calm shard]

I dunno same reason all the exact same mods are top of the most popular list on Mod Nexus

That add the same basic UI features that are absent from this game too

Like actual numbers on the UI

[sturdy talon]

ya

i watched a guide and is it me or did they made it more annoying to mod then before?

[calm shard]

A little bit, but mostly because there isn't steam workshop support this time

It's just drag and drop+add mod name to a text file

And then actually remember to turn them on

Which I forget to after updates regularly, and wonder why the UI is unusable

[pseudo fiber]

I can't play without my dodge counter

[undone sigil]

Game must start getting good at 40k hours :^)

[grand perch]

Brittleness sounds a lot better than it actually is. Especially on a gun that does enough damage to kill in one or two hits, where you don't profit at all from the extra damage

[undone sigil]

More for crushers and bosses

Is what I was thinking. As its guaranteed extra damage rather than a chance for more crit

[woven cove]

Shoot them harder.

[rocky jacinth]

Armourbane in itself is pretty pathetic too

it would be cool if it was fully charged shot has 100% rending but as is, don't even bother

[undone sigil]

Oh, I thought brittleness was just a vulnerability that made them take extra damage. Shows what I know

[split sapphire]

what are best perks and blessing for revolver? just something for general purpose

[rocky jacinth]

it only reduces the armor value, so if an enemy reduces damage by 40% through armor, a 30 reduction will only increase damage by a whopping 12%

[split sapphire]

only that much?

stone me

[rocky jacinth]

you wanna really max out on rending/brittleness for it to be worth it, so you can do stuff like abuse uncanny strike to cook crushers with grenades

and why the rending strikes talent is actual dog for 90% of builds unless you can guarantee that you get a breakpoint

[split sapphire]

do you think it should be buffed in any way? or is it fine where it is

[grand perch]

armourbane, one some builds with the mk 3 helbore, does turn crusher 3 shots into 2 shots. so its not bad there

[rocky jacinth]

i think the way it works is fine but some applications are terrible and not worth it

and yeah, helbore is great with it, purgatus and zealot flamer are also insane

[grand perch]

i dont think helbore is great with it. im saying in some circumstances it has a notable effect on one specific mark

[undone sigil]

Thank you for the help, I'm not trying to main the weapon. I just wanted to gauge how useful the weapon was. Just seems like a step up from the lasgun in being able to combat heavier targets but worse for hordes

That and the animation for swapping into it can be problematic when you need to pop an enemy

[umbral scaffold]

Lmao ppl leave for the smallest things,its not even auric Maelstrom and they leave

[ornate ivy]

i dont mind a leave if it saves the game

[runic topaz]

does lethal proximity from the bolt pistol apply to explosion size when its not equipped? or only when its out

[red robin]

which one?

5

[red robin]

Even when it isn’t equipped

[rocky jacinth]

it's good enough to be a viable weapon in havoc and since we're talking about the helbore, yeah I'd say "great"

[lament belfry]

veteran seems to have no dr. how do yal stay alive?

[red robin]

Maintain toughness above 75%

Don’t use exhilarating takedown

[rocky jacinth]

vet has all the dr and infinite yellow generation

shout the world into submission soldier

[lament belfry]

one pox takes all of that away in one instant.

[red robin]

x3 17% Toughness curios and 3x 5% toughness perks on them

Atleast one of the +25 toughness talent nodes

Confirmed kill requires you to be hating elites and specials on sight

Infinite toughness if you’re on top of killing them over other teammates

Only time I struggle with toughness is when I use exhilarating takedown, no toughness ever in melee

[lament belfry]

are you doing 25-40 havocs?

[runic topaz]

ty

[lament belfry]

cuz a wave of pox just destroys me

with these weapons that can only dodge 1 ft

[red robin]

What melee weapon are you using?

[lament belfry]

i use a few. dueling sword for higher missions. but the chainsaw sucks ass on movement now

[unreal nova]

Is basically passive due to the way it's coded.

[lament belfry]

and the power sword is horrible

[red robin]

What blessings do you use for the chain sword

[lament belfry]

i am remaking every weapon for movement speed 80%

[red robin]

Mobility is useful, but others might disagree with its efficacy

1-2% increase to dodge range is marginal at best

Weapon specialist is good if you like dodge range distancing

Give agile a try on the duelling sword

It’s a bad habit blessing but it’s kinda fun to dodge dance infinitely

[red robin]

Power sword can’t have it all, it’s either elite killing power, horde clear, or mobility, and the power sword takes the former 2 over mobility

[trim steppe]

so close...

[umbral scaffold]

Why is power sword bad?

[hollow ibex]

i'm assuming he's talking about the mobility

[void dragon]

only reason, comparing to other weapons trying to clear horde, the Psword is 3 times faster AND can kill caparace

no way one say its bad outside of its weakness on speed

btw, have a question: why the shredder pistol has movility as dump? you lose too much by dumping collateral?

[lament belfry]

@umbral scaffold nerfed dodge distance side to side and movement speed. other ppl have stated how nerfed they made it.

almost all melee weapons have been done like that besides dueling sword, tactical axe, combat blade, and some other i think.

[void dragon]

Honestly many human weapons feel quite bad, like i feel the shovels are better electro maul by miles, and stuff like Hsword are solid but crumble when faced agains caparace enemies

on veteran this feels worse because the class doesnt boost them that much

[warm schooner]

Ps6 is amazing in high havoc. Every time I see a vet with a dueling sword they've been a mess.

Kinda just flail around and not die

[heavy rover]

I've been converted from rashad to power sword

[hollow ibex]

same

rashad is still nice sometimes

but i'm back to maining PS

[gilded wraith]

The Ogryn weapon pass was so nice. Almost all the melee came out S or A tier (minus Paul). I hope they keep that momentum with the rest of the melee weapons.

[tame lodge]

Paul Slander

[gilded wraith]

I think it's amazing cc... but so is death.

[hollow ibex]

P tier, for Paul

[heavy rover]

Stop being mean to Paul or I'm telling the commissar

[hollow ibex]

the commisar hates Paul too

[gilded wraith]

I think Paul is B tier if that helps.

[red robin]

man

what if vet had a tactical stance talent

make ads into a braced hipfire that was toggleable

ads and special activation would shift it

granting better ranged weapon mobility and recoil control and spread reduction

then again, that would trivialize ads

[void dragon]

Paul got benefits from the perk tree, but A) its best trait on the infinite cleave of its attack is not benefit as much from the attack speed nodes, and B) its damage profile and the activation sluggishness isnt that rewarding, so its not a great weapon sadly, every other weapon i feel performs better nowadays

[tall torrent]

no need, just give vet a talent that increases movement speed while aiming

majority of weapons have super slow aim walking speed

ready-or-not-tier of aim walking speed lol

[red robin]

horrific

moving thru water aiming

[void dragon]

@tall torrent can I ask why the shredder auto pistol doesn't dump collateral? Is it just that mobility doesn't net much of any advantage from 60 to 80, or collateral is too important at that value?

[tall torrent]

neither matter that much

mobility 80 is +0.2m/s sprint bonus

collateral 80 is better stagger and suppression, on a gun that does stagger and suppression very well

[void dragon]

So is it a better gun for a zealot as it advances than for a veteran, even if the stagger Vs many enemies would net it some good safety

[tall torrent]

it's basically made for zealot

just like how zarona revolver is basically made for veteran

[void dragon]

What rapid fire gun with good finesse would be good for vet then? Only the Infantry Autogun?

[dry cloak]

vigil autos

shredder is funny to play on vet but not the best

[hollow ibex]

shredder's not too bad

[void dragon]

Wanted to try something to use onlsaught for a grenade build, so was looking on the pistols for added mobility

The damage of the shredder is quite good but the range is troublesome for a class that struggle on melee

[dry cloak]

then laspistol?

[tall torrent]

vet doesn't struggle in melee, u just need to pick up a power sword

[dry cloak]

or anything with better hordeclear than ds

[hollow ibex]

tbh, without desperado, PS can start having issues in thicc hordes

PS without melee talents doesn't feel great

[void dragon]

I mean...I can't argue that logic

[void dragon]

Thing is that most melee vet weapons struggle even with them

[void dragon]

One of the few reasons I like Hsword it actually manages hordes kinda ok

[tall torrent]

that's most melee weapons

they did not design most of melee weapons to be able to handle complex mixed horde situations

[void dragon]

Sure but stuff like the shock maul taking almost 3 times more than the power sword is quite a big difference on horde management capacity

[tall torrent]

yea, shock maul wasn't designed to be able to handle complex mixed horde situations

I hate that they make most of these supposed stagger weapons have dogshit base stagger

and count on u to use a blessing for stagger just for it to be able to stagger important things

it should be baseline good at stagger, then u add stagger blessings to make stagger breakpoints go higher (ex: medium stagger -> heavy stagger)

[hollow ibex]

Yes true

[hollow ibex]

Tbf I’m not even taking about mixed hordes. Just bruisers and poxxers

[tall torrent]

they made such a complex system for stagger
just so most weapons are bad at it
and only 7 enemies in the whole game actually are meaningful in terms of stagger

[void dragon]

It would be nice if there was other blessings that would be worth taking, like imagine one that made the Smaul electrify on area with a CD

[hollow ibex]

Like without melee talents or blitz/ult intervention, PS can get overwhelmed by basic hordes

[tall torrent]

nah just push

[void dragon]

Block and push save lifes

[hollow ibex]

Obviously but you still gotta clear out the bodies at some point

It can get sketchy

[tall torrent]

yea, it wants u to make a very conscious decision in what attacks u want to use in which situation

I like that actually

[void dragon]

All this horde management talk and yet Vet's best management tool are nades, frag specifically

[hollow ibex]

there's two specials on PS?

[void dragon]

I don't think any other weapon it has can make you say "yeah I don't need those with this horde clear I have"

[tall torrent]

yea

[hollow ibex]

not on vet at least

[tall torrent]

nah, not required

[hollow ibex]

what's the difference?

[tall torrent]

they chain into different attacks, have different animations
and different attacks chain into either of them

[void dragon]

Wait...THATS WHY THE FIRST SPECIAL CANT BE CANCELLED?!!

I usually swing first before special because doing first special feels oddly sluggish

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/bookio-gif-13932157847762104386

[void dragon]

Dear diary: today I learned stuff

[tall torrent]

which one

[void dragon]

Would be first special

[tall torrent]

yea, which one

which power sword

[void dragon]

Mk 6 iirc

[tall torrent]

wdym can't be cancelled

[void dragon]

When you activate it from neutral and want to swing to clear hordes, it almost forces to run the active animation instead of swinging immediately, I think block can cancel it as normal but you can swing from special 2 faster

[lusty ether]

I kinda wish one of the vigilant autogun variants was full auto

[dry cloak]

it you want full auto vigil play agripinna iag

[hollow ibex]

just use the full auto mod

[lusty ether]

I do use the agripinna, I don't use the mod.

[dry cloak]

thats the thing vigil autos are meant to be burst fire/single shot

[lusty ether]

I don't think it should be very quick auto

[dry cloak]

if they were full auto they loose theyre thing

[lusty ether]

I just don't think the distinction between 2 and 3 round burst is actually that interesting

[dry cloak]

vigil autos need a look at

[lusty ether]

I should use the sights mod

[dry cloak]

right now its a matter what feels better to use

[lusty ether]

I generally just use the single shot

being accurate with the single shot feels more or less as good as the other variants

you get to snap around more, rather than control recoil

[dry cloak]

imo the burst ones have too much stagger

[lusty ether]

on enemies?

[dry cloak]

yep

[lusty ether]

i don't really think of the vigil autos having too much of anything

except maybe recoil

which is fine enough

I dunno what the agrippina IAG's RoF actually is

but moderately slower than that, instead of 3 round burst, would be more interesting to me

feels about 500 rpm, in my memory

[tall torrent]

461rpm

[lusty ether]

considering that I was basically playing the audio of it firing back to myself from memory

relatively happy with that guess

[void dragon]

Weird, I remember it having issues to do just that. It was before the patch that buffed the activation to not dissipate on stagger so maybe they changed it (or I was crazy, which could be an actual answer)

[dry cloak]

they have negligent recoil if you dont move

[lusty ether]

yeah, it's fine enough

something around that 350-400 rounds per minute mark would be mildly interesting, to me

whether or not it's actually a vigil auto

[dry cloak]

wasnt the 3rd burst one about 720rpm when bursting?

or was that the 2rd burst one

[tall torrent]

450rpm

[tall torrent]

vigil autos have substantial recoil when fired rapidly (except Mk III)

[dry cloak]

yep

[red robin]

man

taxe kinda nuts with hotshot

i could take headtaker and decimator

and the cleave was slicing elites like butter with 80% hit mass reduction from hotshot tier 1

[tall torrent]

yea a whole lot of 0 dmg dealt

[red robin]

how so

[tall torrent]

tac axes' heavy atks have CDDC of 3 targets (deal 0 dmg past 3rd target)

and light atks distribute very little dmg in cleave

[red robin]

oooo

so brutal momentum removes that distrubuted cleave

[tall torrent]

no

brutal momentum applies a x0% mass multiplier and allows u to carry previous target's dmg to the next, up to 3 times

[red robin]

oooo

real question is

does first target apply to those 3 non factors?

[tall torrent]

which 3 "non factors"

[red robin]

the ones removed from hitmass upon weakspot kill

[red robin]

ty that is worded way better than what I was fumbling to put into words

[grand perch]

speaking of damage distribution, does the newest version include CDDC for each weapon?

[tame lodge]

Tan fold shovel on Oggy with bm

[tall torrent]

if it exists for that weapon, it'll be specified

[grand perch]

sweet

[red robin]

how does first target damage math out?

is it a dmg multiplier to base damage, added to dmg and str buffs?

[lament belfry]

instead of nerfing weapons just make harder enemies

[red robin]

how about

[lament belfry]

and give the dodge back

[red robin]

buff underperforming weapons

[void dragon]

Question: when is it too much to combine rending and brittleness when accounting for grenade bleeding?

[tame lodge]

havoc

[red robin]

vet just needs a revamped tree that isn't so point taxy

[tall torrent]

it's a damage profile

so every damage bonus scales from its values

[red robin]

additively or multiplicatively?

[tall torrent]

did I not show u the calculations??

[red robin]

sry i didnt read it because i was adhd'ing hitting units in the psykarium

[tall torrent]

the video I sent u yesterday

go watch that

[red robin]

I'll read it, ty for the time

and day

I genuinely appreciate the insight

I love darktide

[tall torrent]

XXXth target damage profile

is the very first line

that's what every other dmg bonus scales from

[void dragon]

Veteran, can I ask for the formula and values to calculate brittleness/rending? Want to know when it's too much to add those values for grenade bleeding

[void dragon]

Many thanks for the answers and fact checking, own you one mate

[quasi flare]

Just getting back intop darktide still not sure what to make of the new perks/ weapons any of these worth buying?

[hollow ibex]

Just roll your own at brunt’s armory

It’s easy to get perfect rolls

So long as you have dockets and aren’t rolling for plasma or ripper

[tame lodge]

I'd buy all of those
Except the Shock Maul, low finesse stats

Then you'd have to change blessings and perks

[gilded wraith]

Is ripper another weird one?

[hollow ibex]

yes you want 60-66 ammo

[gilded wraith]

Ahh, for the blessing interaction.

[quasi flare]

So you can just fully craft whatever you want now with enough resources?

[hollow ibex]

yeh much easier to get perf weapons now

[quasi flare]

so i should save tokens for curios?

[hollow ibex]

prob yeah

[gilded wraith]

I think that's the primary use for melk bucks.

[timber geyser]

I got a friend who is completly new to the game. He asks me what build he should aim towards for ranged veteran and i dont want to completly overload his brain with the Hammer of the emperor stuff. Somebody got a link to a simpler guide?

[tall torrent]

ranged veteran kind of hasn't been a thing since 2023

psyker is the only viable "mainly ranged" class

[tame lodge]

Uh Ranged Vet yeah uh about that

Uh

Infantry Lasguns 2b

Wait lemme get my I don't need ammo build

[sleek garden]

Again with the 'veteran isn't mostly ranged' approach

infantry weapon users rise up

[tame lodge]

Well vet isn't mostly ranged

https://tenor.com/view/gleemies-gleemboss-gif-23542767

[quiet valley]

You can definitely play H40 Ranged vet, zero ammo pickups required

[tame lodge]

Video proof or not happening

[quiet valley]

Deadshot Laspistol MkX

[tame lodge]

Why laspistol though
The Ilas 2b has better ammo economy

[tall torrent]

he is in love with it

[quiet valley]

Yeah but the LasX actually can kill stuff

[tall torrent]

I tried Mk X laspistol for a week and concluded that it's not much more than mid

[quiet valley]

Doesn’t matter how economic it is if you can still play an entire match with no pickups

You can kill every enemy with better TTK than the Infantry Las

[quiet valley]

Wild take

[tall torrent]

nah, it rly just isn't much more than mid lol
if it had better maniac dmg, maybe

[quiet valley]

It’s probably better than the Plasma imo

[red robin]

Is that the slow firing one or the fast firing one?

[quiet valley]

Slow

[red robin]

I prefer the bullet spam of the fast firing one

[lilac stump]

Man how to turn everyone from playing Veteran: "Ranged Veteran hasn't been a thing since 2023" - As if any new player to a game were a class is named "Veteran" expect its build to be mainly ranged ...

[red robin]

Has better crit weakspot finesse multiplier than the other one

[quiet valley]

It does better TTK on everything except Carapace for Plasma, for free

It’s way better for Unyielding bosses as well

[tall torrent]

they're ~equal
Mk X is fully crit dependent

if u don't full spec into crit gambling it's not as good as II

recent deadshot buff made it a little better

but that's about it

if u gamble well, it can do insane numbers

[quiet valley]

Yeah but crit fishing on the MkX is like 60-75% crit

[red robin]

If hit registration was generous with the las pistol it would be peak

I love phantom hits

[tall torrent]

nah u can go way more than 75%

[quiet valley]

I mean while still getting other relevant perks ofc

[tall torrent]

u can actually get 100% if u spec hard enough

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/unbearable-weight-massive-talent-nicolas-gif-27639994

Good joke

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/fant4stic-say-that-again-gif-16690486418948643620

[tame lodge]

🗣️

Same

[red robin]

Marksmen focus held back from that

[tame lodge]

I love my outstanding marksmanship vanishing on thin air

[tall torrent]

vet 5%
laspistol +15%
opening salvo +10%
deadshot +25%
reciprocity +5% (x5)
desperado (blessing) +20%

total 100%

u actually don't even need opening salvo cuz it's painfully mid

could grab 5% on right side which is almost always better

[red robin]

True

[tall torrent]

situational 95% crit chance vs situational 100% is not that big of a difference

ghost is not as good on it compared to II cuz u can't shoot as quickly to hit as many weakspots (so worse coverage)

[quiet valley]

Desperado is pretty garbo

[tall torrent]

nah

20% for 6s

tooltip is wrong

[quiet valley]

You only need Opening Salvo, and Deadshot

[tall torrent]

it's riposte but gun

u don't have better choices than it anyway

[quiet valley]

?????

What

[tall torrent]

yea

[quiet valley]

Dum Dum + Infernus

[tall torrent]

dum dum already taken

infernus not as good

[quiet valley]

??? WHAT

[tall torrent]

yea

4 stacks of burn on a 158rpm gun that fishes for crits

not as good

on Mk II, understandable

[quiet valley]

I’m bout to reinstall PowerDI to show you burn dmg after a 40

It’s a good chunk of your dmg to bosses

Makes Burgle TTk so much nicer not relying on Weakspot hits

[tall torrent]

crits themselves scale better than infernus DoT

unless ur entire plan is to proc infernus then pepper crits in

[quiet valley]

Infernus is just free dmg, you don’t need Desperado for more crit, its uptime is meh anyway

[tall torrent]

are u actually aware of desperado's tooltip being wrong

[quiet valley]

Yes

But you aren’t meeting the trigger condition as much as something like Reposte

You don’t want to be dodge spamming with ur las pistol to proc shit, just shoot it

[tall torrent]

how much is it supposed to account for

[quiet valley]

It more than makes up for the extra crit you get from Desperado, the DPS is more consistent throughout the entire match

[tall torrent]

yea but how much

15%? 20%? 25%?

[quiet valley]

It’d be hard to put an exact% off the top of my head, but definitely at least 10-15% more overall dmg with Infernus than Desperado

It’s probably better on classes that get talent benefits from critting, like Pskyer