veteran-class

[tall torrent]

helbore IIIa full section

[lilac stump]

If you do have one for Infantry lasgun , or if you want to recommend one in particular I'm all ears 😄

[tall torrent]

IIb or VII for infantry lasgun

VII is easier to use

IIb is statistically the better one overall
but it has abysmal muzzle flash with crits

VII hits better breakpoints (usually 2 tap headshot so faster TTK) and has lower recoil
but has significantly worse firing uptime and combat mobility (way slower ADS move speed, no instant sprint to fire)

[lilac stump]

I'll test both of them! I do have to level it up anyway ^^

[tall torrent]

VII is more beginner friendly

Just know that if you use them, you really need a good melee weapon for flak, carapace and unyielding enemies

[lilac stump]

I was thinking about the knife or the sabre tbh, I know the power sword is good too

[tall torrent]

Then no horde clear

[thick needle]

Back before Survivalist nerfs, the primary source of ammo for Veterans was aura farming

[rough stream]

So I just started getting into havoc. Are 2 HPs curios with health blessings basically a must to get 200 HP and offset the health penalties ?

[hollow ibex]

you could prob also reach it with 1x hp and 3x 5% hp curio perks

obviously that limits your curio perk selection tho

[tall torrent]

just 1 health curio is enough for the most part

toughness is more useful there

[junior grail]

How does one achieve helbore oneshot on Crusher?

[tall torrent]

meme build

[hollow ibex]

it's not that much of a meme

[desert viper]

what do folk use on their power swords

[hollow ibex]

you just need to take marksman and a keystone (focus target or MMF)

[desert viper]

( perks, blessings )

[hollow ibex]

check pins, guide has everything

[junior grail]

Okie dokes thankies

[rough stream]

really ? Why the flip to toughness ?

[lilac stump]

Quick question, since I'm seeing that the Full gun build is not that effective, is there a build around the shock maul, like a disabler/ tanky build that would be effective?

[tall torrent]

because toughness takes a bigger penalty

[tall torrent]

what is "disabler / tanky" build

[hollow ibex]

oh wait

just realized he was asking about havoc

ignore my message lol

[rough stream]

ahh

[hollow ibex]

the best way to disable is by killing everything

[sharp epoch]

any build that relys on melee just go zealot to save yourself the trouble

[desert viper]

thanks, the guide is hard to read on mobile

one day I'll have a pc

[tall torrent]

I don't think my steam guide will fix that either

unfortunately

[desert viper]

the screenshot you sent is pretty good

either way I appreciate it

[tall torrent]

yea, steam mobile version won't look like that

[desert viper]

yeah I get that

[lilac stump]

Ok so i may not understand the Veteran role then. As I understood before, you are an elite killer with your Ranged weapon, and horde killer with the melee weapon. (generally speaking)- Now I want to go a bit more into the Melee side of it, not negating the ranged side of it either, but maybe use shock maul/ shotgun combo or something like that.
It might not be possible either that's why I'm asking.

[hollow ibex]

oof

maybe try the PDF

[desert viper]

pdf is sadly the same. it's just a mobile issue, nothin' to do about it. but it's no biggie. I'll just ask stuff here or elsewhere, or better figure out how to navigate the guide on mobile

[tall torrent]

veteran's "role" goes smth like this

melee everything u can
shoot at important enemies ur blade cannot hit within 2s (unless u have recon)

[sharp epoch]

generally zealot and ogryn are better horde killers with melee, vet kinda just uses it to get by. the playstyle of vet is more swapping ranged and melee often

you can pull off the shockmaul shotgun combo way better on zealot than vet also...

[hollow ibex]

if you want to be competitive, use rashad or PS, preferably PS

vet has very few builds that are competitive right now

[desert viper]

power sword feels like it's carrying vet melees right now

[hollow ibex]

vet's turned into pre-rework ogryn in terms of melee options

[desert viper]

hello ainz

[hollow ibex]

at least if you care about being competitive on dps

not as dire if you just want to faff around and have fun

[lilac stump]

So basically support whatever the group is doing, by enabling them through killing rapidly Elites and change your weapon depending on the range of said ennemies ? So PS + PLasma combo ?

[desert viper]

my havoc team rn is 2 ogryns a vet and a psyker

[sharp epoch]

problem with ps is zero mobillity and block sucks

[hollow ibex]

that's a meta combo

[cinder token]

does lethal proximity +explosion radius influence your grenades?

[hollow ibex]

yes

[cinder token]

noice

[hollow ibex]

which is why bistol is a popular pick

[hollow ibex]

the dodge sucks but the sprint is good

block is totally fine

[desert viper]

wait fraggers get buffed by bolt pistol?

[hollow ibex]

by lethal prox yeah

[desert viper]

is this another uncanny situation?

[hollow ibex]

well it buffs explosion radius

so a bit different

[tall torrent]

vet does a bit of everything
it takes more "experience" than words to explain but u essentially adapt to do everyone's job

[desert viper]

I see

[cinder token]

wow this radius is actually huge now

[tall torrent]

no

[hollow ibex]

with tinkerer + lethal prox, you should be able to hit the entire psykanium from the center with a frag

[desert viper]

how good would this be in havoc?

running bolt pistol, I imagine, would be a downgrade

[tall torrent]

compared to plasma/recon yes
but u get better frags

[torpid canyon]

Sorry for the pic but is this good stats for a Autogun?

[sharp epoch]

specials > elites > bosses is what I feel vets job is in havoc

[tall torrent]

they're not in havoc yet

[sharp epoch]

meh just specials and elites then

[desert viper]

ah so uncanny is Only On-Hand while lethal is always active

thank you

[cinder token]

btw isn't power cycler blessing on psword is just absolutely amazing?

[sharp epoch]

its basically a blessing tax but yeah

[cinder token]

2 additional energized attacks

[desert viper]

it's a must have

[sharp epoch]

ps used to have that feature without power cycler

[desert viper]

really?

kind of pointless to have turned it into a blessing then

[sharp epoch]

yup power cycler gave it like 7 hits or something

[warm idol]

old ps with power cycler was something wild

and I have only ever gotten pc

[sharp epoch]

it was very rare though

[warm idol]

after the nerf

[sharp epoch]

gachatide

[warm idol]

back when you couldnt even swap blessing and perks

and when they finally added that feature it was locked to only changing 2 out of 4 things

[sharp epoch]

yup, most I had was sunder slaughterer ps and I was happy with that

[warm idol]

god the current system is so much better

feels like actual progression

its a shame it took them so long

[tall torrent]

ideally 60% mobility

[warm idol]

wouldnt be surprised if some people were turned off and stopped purely because of how awful it was to get a weapon you wanted

[sharp epoch]

i kinda liked the old system felt like gambling 😂

and it wasnt as easy to just be like oh thats the meta build boom done

[lilac stump]

I played 2 weeks after beta and stopped due to exactly that, now I came back, and it's way better.

[warm idol]

I like having something to progress towards rather than just relying on rng

[torpid canyon]

But the rest is ok?

[warm idol]

the reason for 60 mob is for other stats to be 80

[tall torrent]

no
flak + crit chance/maniac
dum dum
deathspitter

[sharp epoch]

progress theough rng

[warm idol]

thats just cancer

[sharp epoch]

also I would check my melk compulsively

[lilac stump]

sorry that's my inexperience, that's why I meant by elites. Everything that is bigger than pox walker and normal soldiers 🙂

[warm idol]

melk was still bad back then

[torpid canyon]

First time using this fully

[sharp epoch]

specials you wanna focus before elites, that includes bombers, snipers, flamers, trappers

dog and mutie you just wait for them to come to you mostly

[tall torrent]

these guys are elites

[narrow frost]

path

I put an enemy guide in mine

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16W_MhzUGXv9WRVjXjowIyqlktqrJ8U5wxVlgX3X5TU8/edit?tab=t.0 @lilac stump scroll down to the enmy list and you'll see who is who

pg. 4

[lilac stump]

thanks

[narrow frost]

@tall torrent I remember you saying something about testing kar pic with newgryn

have you tried double power blessing + cleave HH in havoc?

[tall torrent]

I think impact is better

[narrow frost]

does it not benefit?

[tall torrent]

realistically ur far likelier to get cleave stopped by carapace before 30 cleave runs out proper

and there's sort of a physical limit cuz u can only swipe ur screen so fast

impact allows u to stagger ragers better

[narrow frost]

How do you test your cleave damage?

[tall torrent]

and staggered enemies have mass reduction based on stagger state

[tall torrent]

wdym

+cleave doesn't affect cleave damage distribution

it just means u hit more things with minimum cleave dmg

[narrow frost]

meant to say how do you test cleave damage distribution

[tall torrent]

download health bar mod

spawn 5 guys all standing next to each other

pick enemies that don't move their heads too much

[narrow frost]

just cant be carapace?

[tall torrent]

can be carapace, if u have specific blessing to bypass its end-cleave property

[narrow frost]

I see

[tall torrent]

this is the vid I'm using for my guide

to show cleave dmg distribution in effect

[tall torrent]

now add 16 times the detail

it all just works

enemy health
armor type (weakspot, DOT core, explosive core)
mass
damage taken multiplier
attack modes
attack damage and damage type
toughness damage multiplier
melee attack stamina damage

[narrow frost]

guh

[tame lodge]

[lilac stump]

I'm also seeing a lot about a "grenade build" is it worth it? Like go hard into the Shredder nade

[tall torrent]

if u like boltpistol yes

[lilac stump]

I mean I can try it for sure.

[tall torrent]

it's more melee intensive

[lilac stump]

I see. Might try it, because you know I like the Demolition part of the build (not so much the melee intensive but if that's the price)

[tall torrent]

well it's "melee intensive" because u can't shoot everything with boltpistol

[lilac stump]

I'll try it, I need to farm DIamantine anyway.

[sharp epoch]

It's like a meme build that works

[lilac stump]

Might not be a meme build then if it works 😄

[sharp epoch]

is that for the bolt pistol frag build

[tall torrent]

outside of havoc yea

[sharp epoch]

no extra frags wth

[tall torrent]

not worth 2 points

if it was 1 point, sure

[sharp epoch]

id drop the wep specialist reload andd

[tall torrent]

nah it helps boltpistol

[sharp epoch]

maybe superoirtiyt complex

[hollow ibex]

bistol needs so much reloading

[tall torrent]

loses breakpoint

no more gunner 1hs

[sharp epoch]

nah i can get that

[tall torrent]

it's a very messed up gun in breakpoints

[tall torrent]

1181 in 1 headshot vs scab gunner

[sharp epoch]

how much hp they got

[tall torrent]

1200

[sharp epoch]

puncture 🙂‍↕️

[tall torrent]

sorry

1199 cumulative from 1hs

if u swap unarmored to elite u can't 1hs dreg gunner (which is more dangerous usually)

[hollow ibex]

that is actually such a load of fucking bs

[tall torrent]

if u swap maniac to elite u can't 1hs flamers

[sharp epoch]

but 4 fraggos

[tall torrent]

meh

2 point cost

[tame lodge]

As comical as the plasma gun yesterday

[sharp epoch]

pls give vet 1% ranged damage passive itll fix everything

[lilac stump]

Give us a Basilisk precision artillery strike, I'd be happy with that 😄

[cinder token]

one more question about psword: is Wrath on it a waste of blessing because the energised attack cleaves everything anyway?

[tall torrent]

yes but not because it cleaves too much

it's because sunder is just better if u want more cleave

it's either sunder or brutal momentum for 2nd blessing

[cinder token]

thank you! a small question:

it says +20 heavy melee attack damage, but i don't use heavy melee attacks on mk vi psword. i just special attack/block cancel/light/light/light. is it still worth it?

[tall torrent]

do u want to cleave through carapace

[cinder token]

yes i deserve this

[tame lodge]

This 20% heavy thing is recent iirc

Back then we just used Sunder

[cinder token]

yeah this +20 will help with maulers/crushers

[hollow ibex]

you noticeably lose horde clear capabilities with sunder

i much prefer brumentum

[cinder token]

well i liked how it worked with rashad...

so "increased cleave" just means it goes through carapace?

[hollow ibex]

sunder lets you cleave through carapace yeah

[tame lodge]

The increased cleave part means mass reduced by 75%

[cinder token]

i'm annoyed the skill description is so vague :/

[regal belfry]

idk why but i preffer the mk3 powersword over the mk6

[tame lodge]

An enemy Ogryn usually has 12.5 mass
And max cleave Psword is like 11.7 cleave or something

[unborn perch]

So do I

[tall torrent]

x400% cleave, can cleave through carapace

[regal belfry]

how good is taxe compared to caxe?

[austere mica]

The fuck you mean what gun I literally show my loadout

[tame lodge]

Combat Axe is S tier
Taxe is like low B

It's bad

[faint beacon]

of all weapons to ask that also

[austere mica]

Faster, crits harder, bullies ragers easier
Worse Cara unyielding

[regal belfry]

and avoid somehow chain weapons

feel to weak for me

[unreal forge]

I don't get the point of 60s nade recharge when you have demo team

5% chance spread across 4 people for every time you kill an elite or specialist, you should be getting all your nades back really fast no?

[faint beacon]

Consistency

[unreal nova]

One is luck based. If you are very unlucky...

[faint beacon]

you can get unlucky and never get a single frag the entire game

[unreal nova]

5% can mean 0 nades in 100 kills.

[unreal forge]

it's 5% spread across 4 ppl though

[tame lodge]

Gambling vs guaranteed

[austere mica]

Stockpile is also better for smokes

You want to know when you have smokes

[serene bough]

I didn't scroll up pls no bully

[unreal nova]

Based on number of elites killed near you.

[austere mica]

It’s in the video

The first half is me showing my loadout

[unreal forge]

for havoc (I haven't played havoc) I imagine it's impossible not to fill up on frags quickly

[unreal nova]

Still luck.

[unreal forge]

watching it seeing there's a billion specialists/elites every corner like it's a clown car

[unreal nova]

5% is 5%.

[tall torrent]

what else would u take in its stead

[unreal nova]

You roll every kill with no pity.

[serene bough]

Oh im just realizing it's a video

[unreal forge]

field improvisation because nades on ammo crates and corruption heal

[tall torrent]

field improv is not worth in vast majority of situations

[serene bough]

Braindead moment on my part

[unreal forge]

why not

[trim steppe]

Cuz sometimes you don't even use a crate

[tall torrent]

limited in resource & application

[unreal nova]

Is just really nice to have though.

[unreal forge]

it sucks not to have it every time you do plant a medic or ammo crate

[tall torrent]

nah

it's just not needed majority of the time

[unreal forge]

to each their own

[unreal nova]

Grim runs just don't bother.

[serene bough]

I take field improv for auric

[trim steppe]

Field improv is one of those skills that feels nice to use, but is just outclassed by other talents. Like feel free to take it, no one will complain, but there are better choices

But this is said by someone who always uses a +3stam curio because it feels so good, not because it's the best choice

[tall torrent]

if ur trying to do blitz related penances, field improv is very good

[tame lodge]

High havoc won't replenish all ammo/grenades with improv

[faint beacon]

Its more like Field Improv is a thing newer vets get bullied into using but a team of players who actually have more than 2 braincells straight up can just ignore it

[tall torrent]

in basically every other situation, it's not worth a point against more competitive picks

and it's nowhere close to being as good as demo stockpile

[trim steppe]

Field improv is also very good in the twins fight map and in mortis trials

[tall torrent]

it's fun in mortis yea

[serene bough]

Depends on the build

[austere mica]

As if you didn’t already have infinite grenades, here’s 12 more

[faint beacon]

2 very niche game modes outside of the norm

[tame lodge]

Oh yeah
Seems like they nerfed the ammo penalty on high havoc
From -75% to -60%

[serene bough]

If you can grab demo team may as well grab field improv if you have spare points

[faint beacon]

Oh shit seriously

[serene bough]

Not worth in havoc though

Only auric

[tall torrent]

yea they buffed ammo a bit

[faint beacon]

Estance Vet might serve a niche purpose for once

[tall torrent]

sorry

[trim steppe]

H29 is 60% ammo gain on pickup, H40 is 40% ammo gain. Old H40 was only 25% ammo gain

[tall torrent]

u will power sword 24/7 and like it

[faint beacon]

U vill own nothing und be happy

LMAO

[hollow ibex]

Vet has turned into pre rework ogryn in terms of melee weapon options

[trim steppe]

I tried using powersword again after a long hiatus and I did not enjoy it at all lol

Having to power it on every 2 seconds is so tedious

[faint beacon]

Vet has melee options…… if you don’t mind sacrificing half your skill tree to using that melee and you’re not playing Havoc

[serene bough]

Knife 4 life

I can't be bothered to use psword with jts dogshit mobility

[sharp epoch]

Vet really needs an option to remain fully ranged like how current psyker is designed

[unreal nova]

In before someone says go VLC recon with all the things.

And let team with with the chaff.

[faint beacon]

That’s what Helbore was intended to be with its bayonet but you see how that turned out

Besides you shouldn’t be a doing a 100% ranged only

[hollow ibex]

It took me a while to get back into it but once I did, PS is still enjoyable

[warm idol]

I wonder if they will ever rework the ps to work like the relic blade

with the heat system

[trim steppe]

Probably not, the PS is its own weapon, why make it samey? Might as well just give the vet access to the relic blade too

[sharp epoch]

Meh most specials on ranged weapons are useless except ripper guns since they have can opener

[trim steppe]

The grenade gauntlet would like a word with you

[sharp epoch]

Ogryn gets all the cool weapon specials 😢

[trim steppe]

Cuz Ogryn are da coolest

[sharp epoch]

Let us do a little slap on heretics

[tall torrent]

Most likely not

[tall torrent]

Can opener not needed now

[trim steppe]

Instead of fundamentally changing the way a functional weapon works, better to add another weapon to the roster that works the way you're thinking

[tame lodge]

Me with Cleaver 6

[trim steppe]

Is the cleaver 6 just the BB but with heavies instead of lights? I haven't used it much

[tame lodge]

Yeah that's a good simplification

But it has a single target combo as well (finally)

[trim steppe]

Nice

I'll have to give it a go

I've been too busy with pickaxes lol

[tame lodge]

Push then Heavy and you get a Strikedown

So you could just loop that ad infinitum

Or be fancy

Light Punch Light Push Heavy Light Light

[trim steppe]

So just like the karsolas

[tame lodge]

Oh yeah the light after this is the stabby light

L3

[sharp epoch]

Isn't karsolas special then heavy

[trim steppe]

Special->heavy and PA->heavy both lead you to the strikedown

[sharp epoch]

intrrsting

[tame lodge]

Oh cleaver 6 is push heavy
So more akin to Ironhelm thammer

[tall torrent]

I’m genuinely considering ripper VI with blaze + cavalcade

[hollow ibex]

i've been doing flechette + calv ripper vi

for boss damage

but maybe blaze better 🤔

[sharp epoch]

im on the side that you dont wanna waste bullets on bosses esp if your ogryn and your melee works perfectly fine or better against them

[dreamy scaffold]

im on the side of shoot it cause it feels right

spoken by a true vet main

[sharp epoch]

back when bolter autoreload was a thing I liked that

now there's really nothing that satisfying to unload on bosses

[dreamy scaffold]

thats what you think

everything is satisfying

[grand perch]

i just got havoc 40 and level 2000 at the same time

time to uninstall

[gilded raft]

Go! You are free! Run!

[trim steppe]

Very satisfying

Also your 1 character is 2x the level of my entire account

[grand perch]

thats a lot still

[pseudo fiber]

Do you run triple XP?

[sharp epoch]

how mant hours is that

[narrow frost]

2

[old prism]

at least 15

[narrow frost]

3

[faint beacon]

1.5

[trim steppe]

Woah hang on its at least 16

[grand perch]

never, i dont take pointless stats

[old prism]

big number go up

fr it's useless af

[loud belfry]

how that one guy trauma is level 5000 ill never know

but i guess it is within the realm of possibility

[grand perch]

trauma xp epxloited somehow is what i heard

[narrow frost]

6k trauma

[grand perch]

zealot speedrunning shaves off a lot of time too

[old prism]

naw man, honestly, i'm around 5k something account level, if I kept speedrunning I would've also been around 6-7k by now

on zealot

[narrow frost]

at 2.7k hours

[old prism]

im 3.100 i think

[grand perch]

thats a lot more than me

[sharp epoch]

what the but

[grand perch]

i think im at 2500 or so total

[old prism]

also only playing havoc doesn't really give you good xp

[loud belfry]

[narrow frost]

Yeah

and solo

[old prism]

yeah

[loud belfry]

it's definitely possible but it is a lot

to be at 6000

[narrow frost]

it is

trauma is at 6k

[old prism]

we used to be able to complete a speedrun in 5. minutes

[narrow frost]

that relay skip was insane

[old prism]

well

I can't speak here

fatshark listens

[narrow frost]

yes

I know

[trim steppe]

I never did any speed running or solo stuff, I just like the normal gameplay. 1400 hours of it and I still like it

[grand perch]

also heres something i made

[loud belfry]

[unreal forge]

it wouldn't suck so bad if it didn't slow you down for it I think

but you have to keep sliding and activate mid-slide to not lose momentum

too much effort for something DS does with zero effort

but that's rly most melees

[unreal forge]

PS needs is a ranged attack like it does in SM2 (but way better than that game does it)
makes sense, for the poster ranged class...

[tame lodge]

psyker is right there

[signal garden]

Ps is exactly what it needs to be, boring and effective

[loud belfry]

it could probably do with not needing to be activated every 10 nanoseconds

or at least improve the power up animation and give it some sort of combo or something

[uncut pebble]

Power sword actually needs

the heat system
better unpowered adms
better base damage
nerfed activation damage
removal of bm

[dreamy spade]

this is probably the easiest map and conditions on havoc

[trim steppe]

I'd argue that Archivum Sycorax is probably the easiest map, but yeah, that looks like a good havoc

[trim steppe]

The mk3 doesn't slow you down on activation but it still needs to be activated CONSTANTLY and its such a drag

You can always block cancel the powerup so thats not really the issue, its just not a fun combat rhythm imo

I dont have any good ideas on what to do to improve PS. I'm not sure it needs changing, its strong but not too strong, and annoying enough that I probably wont favor it lol.

Maybe remove power cycler, 6-8 hits before needing to reactivate, but less damage and more stagger. Idfk I'll just keep playing with my Rashad

[unreal forge]

Yep

the fact you need a blessing to have more power hits is so stupid

[trim steppe]

Any blessing that is 3x more powerful than the next blessings needs to be redesigned

[gilded raft]

Needs the relic sword treatment asap. Power-wise it's fine, just gotta be less annoying to play and not make us waste a blessing slot

[trim steppe]

Thats just what I was saying earlier tho, if you're gonna make it into the relic blade you might as well just leave the power sword alone and let vet use the relic blade

[gilded raft]

Nah, different use case. A 1 handed less hard hitting, less aoe but faster power sword makes more sense for vet

[unreal forge]

another issue with the PS is that you NEED to keep activating it

it's a wet stick unless it's activated

[gilded raft]

For a vet, the sword is the side arm, the gun is the main toy. A 1hander is more of a side arm. For zealot it's the other way around

[unreal forge]

if you could actually kills things without activating it, the annoyance of having to activate it wouldn't be a big deal

power maul IMO does it perfectly

[gilded raft]

Paul has similar issues as the power sword. The activation is janky as fuck

Only diff is that the activation there is for big bonk crowd control, not cleaving capabilities, so you can bonk unpowered just fine

The power attack on paul is a special action with its own separate purpose, similar to the chain weapons, not a "needed to make it do anything" thing like the power sword or relic blade

[calm shard]

man

[gilded raft]

Thou shalt not render thy gas!

[hollow ibex]

eh wouldn't say that, i typically spend more time with the sword than the gun as vet

of course, i see a lot of players shoot poxxers all game

and end up with no ammo/bottom damage

[gilded raft]

Depends on the gun, but my point was more about class design philosophy

[hollow ibex]

even the current class design requires you to use a lot of melee

vet's a hybrid class

esp after the surv nerfs

plenty of bad vet players that don't understand this though

[gilded raft]

More like an 80/20 thing in what your role is I think

You can make a build that specializes in the 20, i have a couple of those, refer to them as discount zealot

But most of what the class does is shooty stuff

[hollow ibex]

most good players i've seen are at 50/50, or more towards melee than ranged

[gilded raft]

Same for zealot, 80% melee there (though arguably he's more 90/10)

[hollow ibex]

zealot i'm usually 100/0

unless you count the 1.2 seconds i spend each match using tknives

[gilded raft]

You can be, but for sweaty stuff your gun matters and has plenty of uses

[hollow ibex]

yeah prob use it more for havocs

[gilded raft]

I can 100% melee psyker just fine too, doesn't make it a melee class

[hollow ibex]

for auric/AM i have no use for a gun

on zealot

[gilded raft]

You're arguing that vet isn't the gun guy so I'm just gonna give up countering that, just gonna say that 1 handed power sword makes a lot of sense for vet, whereas massive aoe melee weapons belong firmly in the zealots arsenal

[hollow ibex]

Vet is the gun guy but realistically he should be using melee hell of a lot

And yes I agree that vet prob shouldn’t be running around with thammer or relic blade

[unreal forge]

yah the game is melee focused and most guns can't multitask

at the same time I think giving zealot and psyker bolters was a mistake

[narrow frost]

psyker doesnt have bolter

vet and zel

[hollow ibex]

stares at helbore

[unreal forge]

he's got the bolt pistol

[narrow frost]

mb

[hollow ibex]

They really need to fix the damn draw time on helbore

[unreal forge]

a lot of things the helbore needs to stay competitive in plasma gun's world

ok you're as janky and slow as the plasma gun and spearhead but do you at least do anything better?

I guess it has more ammo

and that's rly it

[gilded raft]

It won't let you explode yourself for my amusement

[unreal forge]

oh and it also needs like way more investment than spearhead and bolter

[calm shard]

Helbore get better single target damage than bolter/plasma

[unreal forge]

at the same time it doesn't benefit from weapon specialist at all while the bolter and plasma become even stronger

yeah if you sacrifice VoC and weapon specialist

[calm shard]

It keeps basically every one shot breakpoint even into high havocs

The real thing that kills it is how fucking slow everything it does is

Mk IV is the obvious best one being able to casually 2 shot crushers even on "normal" builds

But...slow swap speed, slow charge speed, kinda slow reload that you can't really make faster

[unreal forge]

I think it's the fact you have to sacrifice the best talents for it to still not be as good as weapons that do its job with no real investment or sacrifices

[calm shard]

It's pretty handily the best single target gun in the game when invested into

[tropic notch]

The only true ranged class is staff psyker

[unreal forge]

not worth

[calm shard]

And only the Bolter outdoes it at boss damage

[unreal forge]

the tree for weapon specialist is better than the focus target tree because it makes your melee as good as zealot's

[calm shard]

it doesn't, but it makes it better that's for sure

[unreal forge]

voc is voc

[tropic notch]

Other than that everything else should be melee

[tropic notch]

Helbore is so mid

What the scallop

[calm shard]

It's one of the best guns in the game damage profile wise. The only things making it "mid" are how horrible it feels to use

Mostly the swap speed

[tropic notch]

Than and the investment

[hollow ibex]

Not because of its damage though

[tropic notch]

Too much investment to make something work

[calm shard]

Helbore is mid because it's too damn slow to keep up with dicey situations

[tropic notch]

This why ws power sword with revolver is awesome

Build around your melee

Play like a zealot

[hollow ibex]

Most fun way to play vet atm imo

[tough tiger]

@tropic notch thoughts on the pp sword?

[tropic notch]

The what

[tough tiger]

The dingle dangle dongle sword

[gilded raft]

Sir, this ain't that kind of game!

You take your filth outta here

[supple stag]

Melee Veteran I love

[stoic quiver]

Weight of Fire exists

[calm shard]

that does not help you for the first few shots or the slow draw time

[rotund turret]

what are the best plasma gun perks and blessings?

[serene bough]

vet doesnt feel right to me unless im shooting a lasgun or plasma gun

prefer more ranged focus

[stoic quiver]

That's why it has a bayonet. Once fully upgraded, after the first charge up the rest go exponentially faster

[tall torrent]

less than boltgun, more than plasma

[stoic quiver]

I probably run the two least liked guns for veterans, but they work for me

[calm shard]

yeah the bayonet with zero cleave

or if you're using the helbore with the good damage output then zero cleave, awkward attack angle, and bad damage

[unreal forge]

OP ahh weapon fr fr

[stoic quiver]

I get it has its drawbacks, but they're only drawbacks if you are used to other weapons. I used nothing but the Helbore once I got it, and just adapted. It has zero cleave, so I don't use it on a huge crowd. I can use it to down anything smaller than a bulwark in two stabs, and for large crowds, I've switched to my chainsword before they've gotten to me

Or just dodge while swapping

[tall torrent]

I don't think they'll be changing power sword, VI is already top 5 melee in the game

as for the rest of human melee weapons, majority need buffs

[calm shard]

chainaxe remove the cleave limit, bam chainaxe now usable

chainswords...god just buff the damage of every single attack they have

[tall torrent]

chainsword is quite far from "good enough"

[unreal forge]

Chainsword needs a bit of a rework

shredding specially

[tall torrent]

Not enough

[stoic quiver]

It doesn't feel like a chainsword if I have to dance around like I'm using a rapier

[calm shard]

I've said it before but I feel compelled to bring it up every time someone talks about the Chainsword

I play gun psyker. Literal highest damage amp you can get in the game

Chainsword still feels like it does bad damage with max DD and 30 stacks of Scriers Gze

Its damage is so bad

[tall torrent]

Buff heavy attacks’ stagger to be able to stagger rager during combo on weakspot hit with sweeping attack, anywhere with strikedown attack

Increase normal strike down attack damage on first target

Evenly distribute saw-rip damage across all ticks instead of banking majority on final tick

Greatly increase ADM of saw-rip attacks against carapace & unyielding

This would be like, a good start

It could possibly need even more

[calm shard]

Chain axe would need less tho right

[tall torrent]

Not really?

[calm shard]

Chain axe doesn't feel anywhere near as bad as chainsword though

Maybe it's because it has Slaughterer+Headtaker

That's probably doing a lot of heavy lifting

[tall torrent]

chainaxe would be like

buff IV's push atk's stagger to be able to stagger ragers (no weakspot dependency)
buff combo chain time for XII to push atk from light atk
increase cleave damage after 4th target (minimum >0) for IV's heavy atks and XII's light atks
evenly distribute saw-rip damage across all ticks instead of banking majority on final tick
increase ADM of XII's regular heavy attacks against carapace & unyielding
increase ADM of all saw-rip attacks against unyielding

[calm shard]

Most of these are for XII

The cleave target limit is the obvious dumbshit holding them back

[signal zinc]

My ass putting infernus on every las weapon

[tall torrent]

but the most important one is for IV

[hollow ibex]

even helbore?

[calm shard]

yeah

I don't really feel that push attack buff would be super necessary for IV given its light attacks stagger, and can even one shot ragers

But it'd sure be nice

[tall torrent]

not rly a thing for 1 tapping ragers

[signal zinc]

...yep

[tall torrent]

u need red nodes

[signal zinc]

Look I like fire

[hollow ibex]

fair

[calm shard]

y'know what that's on me

gun psyker brainrot

I'm so used to MK IV chainaxe lights just instant killing anything that isn't an ogryn

[slow spade]

Chainaxe damage buff pls

[elder garden]

Still waiting for veteran to not get screwed over like last few updates we didn’t even get a new weapon

[slow spade]

ANOTHER LASGUN MARK

[elder garden]

A melta long las even a hellgun would be nice

[slow spade]

Give me a laser destroyer

[elder garden]

Tho all I see is vet gets screwed over and only get nerfed in to the ground

[slow spade]

Vet needs 100 yellow toughness VoC back UwU

[uncut pebble]

Don't forget making 1h chsword have a faster saw anim overall.

All 3 chain weapons just need sawing anims to be faster/more devastating.

Eviscerators, especially.

[gilded wraith]

Responded with this in a post recommending Veteran nerfs... does it look reasonably accurate? Best Ranged Damage: 1. Psyker 2. Veteran 3. Ogryn 4. Zealot

Best Melee Damage: 1. Zealot 2. Ogryn 3. Veteran 4. Psyker

Best Boss Damage: 1. Zealot 2. Ogryn 3. Veteran 4. Psyker

Best Horde Clear: 1. Psyker 2. Ogryn 3. Zealot 4. Veteran

Best Survivability: 1. Zealot 2. Ogryn 3. Veteran 4. Psyker

Best Team Utility: 1. Psyker 2. Veteran 3. Zealot 4. Ogryn

[tough tiger]

psyker horde clear is limited by peril, ogryn horde clear is limited by how many clicks your left mouse has left

[atomic zephyr]

what's a neat build for infiltration? i tried making a sniper build but its kinda lackluster feeling compared to just runnign exe stance

[hollow ibex]

Who the fuck is asking for vet nerfs lol

Reddit?

Most be Reddit

[tall torrent]

this has no nuance whatsoever

[hollow ibex]

Peril? You mean free damage

[serene bough]

Clearly vet should have 0 melee capabilities for balance

We must usher in the new age of gunning down trash mobs with recon

[calm shard]

Psyker also has best melee damage

[hollow ibex]

i think there's way too many variables for for this list lol

[calm shard]

yeah

just put psyker number 1 on everything but survivability and it's already close enough

[unreal nova]

Just giff back old survivalist.

[serene bough]

On a more serious note, I'd like more vet weapons pls

Power fist and melta

[faint wedge]

hell yeah meltas

[hollow ibex]

tried out ilas exec stance

boy does it feel like shit

[serene bough]

Yeah i don't bother w/ exec ilas

[hollow ibex]

so much talent tax

then on top of that, feels like you're sweating your balls off trying to make it work

and the psyker / ogryn / zealot's just pressing W and top fragging

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-speedrunner-epic-gamer-sweatyspeedrunner-gif-22461398

me shooting the three specialists that spawned behind us, then powering up PS and killing the bruisers that entered cqc, then switching back to ilas to hipfire a dog in cqc (too much zoom to hit him while ADSing), and then switching back to PS to fight maulers because ilas doesn't do shit against them

[serene bough]

I use ilas IIb w/ knife and MMF

Since the path down to mmf gives you stam regen which is desirable for knife

[gilded wraith]

Yep, reddit.

[hollow ibex]

i would do that if i could run mk6 knife without ruining my hands

[serene bough]

Its ok to ruin your hands in the god emperors service

[hollow ibex]

unless the post gets traction, wouldn't bother

[hollow ibex]

fuck the emperor, i need my hands

[serene bough]

Ive been playing IIb and knife for so long that my figure is inured to the pain at this point

Ive become greater than any mortal

[gilded wraith]

Poor fellow that said that vet wasn't OP is sitting at -108 downvotes at the moment.

[hollow ibex]

rip

most of reddit is still playing the game in 2023

[junior grail]

I can't play laspistol or ilasguns without FullAuto mod anymore

[faint beacon]

We shall usher in the new era of Veteran

By repeatedly nerfing it till it’s no longer played

[gilded wraith]

It's a wristsaver

[serene bough]

VetNuRan

[hollow ibex]

i keep saying this should be built into the game, not that anyone is listening

[junior grail]

New Darktide update The Veteran renamed to The Noob

[serene bough]

Full auto and improved UI are two mods that should be in the game

Id like to see my dodge count without mods

[junior grail]

Huh? What was that? Didn't catch you

I want combat shotguns to be relevant again

[gilded wraith]

I miss using the slug shotty.

[hollow ibex]

it's still there, you can still use it

(you might suffer a bit though )

[junior grail]

Suggest the weapon special be switching type of rounds fired instead of inserting just one special round

[gilded wraith]

I can barefoot a Lego as well.

[serene bough]

Shotguns imo will always feel redundant to me in a game with such robust melee mechanics

Even if they were good I probably wouldn't bother

[junior grail]

What if they benefitted from Onslaught per pellet?

[hollow ibex]

i think they just need to have better effective range and finesse

vastly improved loading speed for the special

and a slightly faster reload speed for the normal shot

ammo efficiency is a huge problem for them right now

fire special and spreadshot could prob also use buffs

[gilded wraith]

Serrated Blade proc per rev tick.... chain weapon dreaming.

[calm shard]

so what the Zarona does currently basically

[faint beacon]

Never in a million years

I’d rather they rework serrated into something that can be used on ranged and melee but that’s just a dream

[tropic notch]

To me I love the weapon swapping

I feel like on vey that’s how it’s meant to be played

After zealots rework the need to rework vets tree again

For the 3rd time

Only time I sweat on vet is cursher spam

If I’m not playing ps

[hollow ibex]

zarona gets to literally ignore enemy armor

so no

not quite like revolver

[hollow ibex]

oh don't get me wrong, i like it too

but it's hard with ES ilas

esp without melee talents

[tropic notch]

Es?

[hollow ibex]

i was able to make it work with ES revolver though

exec stance

[tropic notch]

Ohhh

[tall torrent]

axe can deal with it safer than power sword

just slower kill speed

[tropic notch]

True

[tropic notch]

I’m missing bp because of that 10% melee damage

[tall torrent]

4 hit is fine

[tropic notch]

But I’ll have to run krak

[tall torrent]

crit sends it to 3 hit kill

[tropic notch]

That’s true

Vets crit isn’t bad

20 form reciprocity, 5 base, 10 desperado, and what’s tac axe crit again?

12. Something?

[atomic zephyr]

man bad stamina management really fucks knife, huh

what's the best way to use the mk3 knife? besides not sprinting around and wasting stam

[dry cloak]

with separate ammo pool imo

[tropic notch]

By using the mk6

You gotta have a node of stam regen delay

Shout out to @tall torrent for showing me the light

[hollow ibex]

serrated blade, lacerate, weapon spec

actually pretty good now

[tropic notch]

Bleed knife I sleep

[hollow ibex]

missing out

[tropic notch]

Uncanny riposte my beloved

[hollow ibex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1335730201362960484/1359905278467899562/image.png?ex=67fb283c&is=67f9d6bc&hm=7a3d8d2d5ffb9177f5a31e34bb7f072ccd4c46c93467230f63fecb359b822369&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=608&height=438

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-gif-12944899486400191725

Wanna see a funny melee psyker scoreboard

[hollow ibex]

rest kof your team join late?

[dry cloak]

fgs?

[tropic notch]

I just stopped resing them

[tropic notch]

No

All dead from the beginning

[tropic notch]

Dueling sword mk 5

[dry cloak]

ok

[tropic notch]

Had to solo a bon

Was terrible with that thing

I had an 1.1 mil game with the fgs

This is an old sc

@slow sky are women scary?

They scare me

[slow sky]

yes

terrifying

[tropic notch]

So happy I’m not alone

We need a guide on how to talk to women

[serene bough]

You won't find that in a wh40k server

[manic moon]

bro

whamen means time

time means less service for emprah

[calm shard]

the zarona

shotgun

[manic moon]

dont make me cockehck you

[calm shard]

not the revolver

[hollow ibex]

[thick needle]

What's the dump for Helbores

[dry cloak]

stab or ammo imo

because of shock trooper

[grand perch]

prudent pick is stability

[thick needle]

sweet, then Melk got me a perfect Helbore

[signal zinc]

Did u know that according to the lore™️, the autoguns in this game are technically stub guns

Autoguns use caseless ammo

[wheat stratus]

does shredder nade have a cap on bleed stacks, or does it just stack to infinite the more nade you throw, any knowers?

[austere mica]

The only difference between an autogun and a stub gun is the author liked that name more

[balmy flume]

bleed on Power Sword when

[little solar]

Naw never knew there was an xp exploit tbh just 5400 something hours of play. I actually lost about 400 levels when they dropped the first skill tree overhaul way back like 2 November’s ago..

Also I’m terrible at speed running sadge 😦 just solo quick play

[sharp epoch]

16 bleed stacks is cap

[lilac stump]

How do you guys do to get the curios you need ? I'm trying to get good ones but I seem to only have bad RNG on those . is there a trick or it's a waiting game for good rng ?

[grand perch]

curios farming is still ass

check shops regularily, blow any melk coins you have on unknown defense curios until you get the one you want

[dreamy spade]

Should I take surgical or Deadly Accurate on bistol? I'm taking lethal prox

[dawn garnet]

u should go puncture run n gun

[tame lodge]

You probably don't have enough CRIT to sustain DA without Surgical

[dreamy spade]

Yeah I don't, but it seems like bistol has bad crit modifier, idk

[grand perch]

my lethal prox bistol has run and gun for 2nd blessing, because i tend not to ads on my grenadier build

[regal belfry]

which is better for damnation frag or krak grenade

[grand perch]

frag

(thats true for every difficulty basically)

[regal belfry]

what is the point of krak then?

[undone sigil]

For braced autogun is collateral or mobility the dumpstat. I know mobility is usually the rid but stagger often works out bad for hitting

[dreamy spade]

One thing I've found

Bistol is able to consistently 1 shot stuff in havoc, if you take focus target

Which you should be doing on havoc anyway

[tame lodge]

Maybe you didn't bring something to deal with Carapace

Kraks

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-overwatch-come-here-gif-14280244

[regal belfry]

i use caxe, duelling sword, power sword, fold shovels and dagger

all can deal with cara

[tame lodge]

Yeah so Krak is there if you can't deal with Carapace

Like a heavy sword

[tropic notch]

Krak I sleep

[tame lodge]

Or shock maul
But monstrosities instead of carapace

[regal belfry]

i don't use heavy sword beside i run bolter

plasma combo could work aswell

[tame lodge]

So yeah that's the point of Krak

[grand perch]

shock maul, why are you the way you are

[tame lodge]

[regal belfry]

shok maul buff when?

[tame lodge]

It's a good weapon 😭

[regal belfry]

what do you think about heavy sword

[grand perch]

shock maul is certainly one of the weapons of all time

[tame lodge]

Top 5 weapons on vet, mk9 specifically

Just can't deal with Carapace

[undone sigil]

But that why gun and boom

[regal belfry]

which are the other 4

psword, dagger, duelling sword and?

[tame lodge]

Combat Axe

Rashad specifically

[undone sigil]

I prefer mk2 and 7 heavy sword at times. Great for lopping rager heads off

[regal belfry]

rashad is rashad the other caxes and taxes should be similar good to rashad but nope

i like personally the mk9 most

i think to get the vostroyan hsword skin though i have the shrineguard one

i used bolter with hsword for some time on zealot

[plush gazelle]

did a Auric with 4 players (including me) and 2 bots, craziest mission i ever did

[dreamy scaffold]

how perturbatory…

[umbral scaffold]

Raids?

[simple hinge]

Is Ius Pistol still usable? Or is it 100% Junk?

[fervent quest]

Uber Aemos that you?

[dreamy scaffold]

maybe..

[fervent quest]

It's not the best choice but it can work in a pinch. I sort of like it on Zealot? Can whip it out quick and it'll handle everything short of carapace with a swiftness. I still think mobility should be higher, like the laspistol

[simple hinge]

So on Veteran it may work with Melee Build?

[fervent quest]

Work, yes. As good as say Bolter or Vraks IAG? No. It feels just good enough now that you're not throwing. As long as your melee can handle big/armor threats the Autopistol feels competent to be a little squirt gun to spray down specialists

[simple hinge]

Actually I think the most unfriendly ranged Weapons are Headhunters and Helbores. These two seems are just tormenting to play on almost any Build? At least you can spray and pray with Ius Autopistol, but not with Headhunters and Helbores.

[plush gazelle]

no just a auric mission

so let me explain. I was the host of that mission, one joined and we had two bots. But i was lagging so when 2 new players joined the bots didn't get replaced and just stayed in the game

and then we did the mission with 6 players in total, 4 players and 2 bots

[umbral scaffold]

Noice 👌

[loud belfry]

damn it guys....

50 minutes without a message.....

[serene bough]

dead chat

[loud belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-chat-xd-twice-momo-gif-24754494

u said it not me

[fervent quest]

It's Saturday morning US most people are sleeping off their hangovers

[serene bough]

i save my hangovers for sunday

[wise fossil]

Now that Deadshot got buffed, Tunnel Vision on Marksman's Focus is a lot more appealing

[hollow ibex]

deadshot's still a meme tbh

[wise fossil]

Yes, but I'm working on a meme build. It's perfect

[hollow ibex]

fair lol

[wise fossil]

Biggest problem with deadshot is that reciprocity exists

[dry cloak]

deadshot is fine on weapon like helbore

[umbral scaffold]

@tame lodge what is your take on having different bullet types in the future for some weapons

?

like the bullets you are loaded with is the ones you will pick iup but of course less ammo for special amunition

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent I need your insight

on karl u take cleave or impact?

[tall torrent]

Impact

For basically every ogryn weapon

Is more practically useful

[orchid hemlock]

[orchid hemlock]

any weapon that prefers cleave?

[dry cloak]

Pickaxes

They have enough stagger on thwyre own

Branx especially

[orchid hemlock]

nah there is nothing that has "too much impact"

im just wondering if there is anything that doesn't reach a specific breakpoint even with all of that impact

[dry cloak]

Idk

I personally prefer the cleave node

[sharp epoch]

I feel like cleave has less of an impact than impact 🙂‍↕️

[orchid hemlock]

[tropic notch]

Club my beloved

[tame lodge]

My humble 100+ cleave Cleaver 6

https://tenor.com/view/suit-meme-gif-3154536417054843778

I can tickle 11 crushers with it

[dreamy scaffold]

they seem pretty tickle proof

[unreal nova]

Can you tickle eyes?

[dreamy scaffold]

i dont want to find out, personally

you are welcome to experiment

[gray orbit]

Hey

I wanted to ask if anyone could help me with some Veteran penances

[dry cloak]

#vox-lfg-lexicanum

[hollow ibex]

finally

courtesy of mortis trials

[trim steppe]

Having 1 smoke every 20 seconds probably helps lol

I think mortis trials is gonna make a lot of those class penances easy

Too bad I'm already done

[unreal nova]

That was easy on meme grenadier build in low old havocs though.

Then again, I was stuck on the WS one since can't aim till earlier.

[hollow ibex]

i'm only bothering because of mortis trials lol

[tall torrent]

Still impact

[tall torrent]

Branx maybe
Cleavers maybe
Shovel maybe

I can’t give u a conclusive answer without testing all of their stagger breakpoints

And I’m not ogryn guide maker

[dry cloak]

Realistically if you choose one or the other you aint making a bad choice

[tall torrent]

The usual better choice is impact

Only weapons that don’t majorly benefit from the stagger increase would pick cleave

But because heavy stagger state is so strong in comparison to medium stagger state

It’s hard to tell which ones don’t get as big of an improvement from impact

[dreamy scaffold]

infiltrator drip is amazing

[hollow ibex]

yeh

[dreamy scaffold]

i need to get make every shot count

minimum is heresy right?

[orchid hemlock]

What about shield? It doesn't need cleave obviously but is it better to put the point somewhere else ?

[tall torrent]

Again, u gotta test what impact actually gives for it

[orchid hemlock]

Not gonna lie I want to see everything flying 🤔

[tall torrent]

Get ready to open creature spawner buddy

If +impact makes weapon go from medium to heavy stagger vs rager, it’s worth

[tame lodge]

But wouldn't any of the +damage also affect impact?

Because if so
+Impact wouldn't be needed

Oh I see why the testing part

[tall torrent]

Damage doesn’t affect impact period

[tame lodge]

[tall torrent]

Strength does affect stagger

[tame lodge]

Oh so we'll have to test that one talent

[fervent quest]

Well done. All I need for vet now is krak kills

[tame lodge]

Small % of Strength on weakspot hits

[undone sigil]

Does anyone know if the rashad combaxe has a looping hordeclear? Mind my dumbass question. I can get the PA/heavy for one sweep either way. But I can't find out how to do more

[fervent quest]

Which is just tedious, it's not like a skill or circumstance. It's just throwing a lot of krak grenades

[tall torrent]

Rashad combat axe doesn’t have heavy sweep

[tame lodge]

Yeah it's light light light light light light light

.........

[undone sigil]

Damn, so why is it considered the best?

[fervent quest]

Repeat light attacks at head level with brutal Momentum

[tall torrent]

U kill things with light attacks

[undone sigil]

The lights do more of a figure of eight so it's harder to get bromentum in action

[fervent quest]

Brutal Momentum and Finesse

[tall torrent]

What did you put on your axe

[undone sigil]

Bromentum and thunderous for now

[tame lodge]

Light attack instakills most things
Brutal Momentum make it so Rashad instakills 4 things at once

[undone sigil]

Don't you need to chain weakspots for it to carry through with bromentum?

Or are you hoping for the density of mobs to just catch multiple heads at once

[tall torrent]

Swap thunderous to headtaker

[tall torrent]

U just hit things in the head

[fervent quest]

This, if you got targets close together, hit a head and brutal momentum carries it through to more heads

Plus headtaker increases Strength which is damage/impact/cleave on top of what BM gives

[undone sigil]

I definitely like the damage of the axe. Just found myself getting blobbed by mobs too easy

[fervent quest]

You can try power sword 6 and just do activated lights all the time

[undone sigil]

Maybe I need to to work on herding them better for density

[narrow frost]

l1 l1 l1 l1 l1 l1 l1 l1

[dreamy scaffold]

when in doubt, just get more cleave

[narrow frost]

sorry

discord loaded back to that message

[undone sigil]

That's impressive, how do you manage to stop your chain to get just the first attack so often?

[fervent quest]

You can block cancel pretty much any combo

[narrow frost]

sorry l1 l2 l1 l2 l1 l2

[fervent quest]

Like just tap block for the briefest second

[narrow frost]

rachad is shrimple

[tall torrent]

No

L1 L2 L3

[undone sigil]

I'll try to get used to it. Don't want to pick up a dueling sword and develop bad habits

[narrow frost]

ohhhh

[tall torrent]

Push ATK

[frank basin]

mental gymnasium

[narrow frost]

lights for everything, pa for ragers, heavy for cara or unyield

[undone sigil]

Is mixing PA/h1 into your lights worthwhile?

Or just keep hitting light

[tall torrent]

Yes

[dreamy scaffold]

they give me all the attack combos, im gonna use them all

[frank basin]

good luck try remembering the combo rest other weapon

[dreamy scaffold]

dont have to remember anything

just hit rmb

left

lmb

[tame lodge]

Psyker mindset

[dreamy scaffold]

hehehe

[tame lodge]

[dreamy scaffold]

i might make a gunpsyker build

i never use staff’s and they feel wimpy

for boss damage

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/mgs2-solid-snake-metal-gear-solid2-metal-gear-solid-mgs-gif-27578347

this is psyker staff

[dreamy scaffold]

not crazy damage tho

i like seeing bar go down

[frank basin]

still infinite ammo

[dreamy scaffold]

id rather damage

not a worthy tradeoff imo

[frank basin]

still infinite ammo

[dreamy scaffold]

anyways

[fervent quest]

Blaze Away inferno staff with Uncanny Strikes active

[dreamy scaffold]

i wish we had a fire talent instead of a staff

[fervent quest]

Perilous Combustion?

[frank basin]

wildfire

[dreamy scaffold]

should i say blitz?

[hollow ibex]

shriek?

[dreamy scaffold]

the electro staff should have smite as lmb

imo

[frank basin]

no blitz just kill elite enemy with Perilous combustion and around will set on fire

[dreamy scaffold]

im too blunt to know what perilous combustion does

[tame lodge]

That's past EK staff

It zapped 6 targets

Killed none

[dreamy scaffold]

yea psyker was trash😭

[frank basin]

when you kill elite or special it set fire around the target

[dreamy scaffold]

inferno staff rmb should be a blitz

spew fire from da hand

[frank basin]

people still want emperor palpatine

[dreamy scaffold]

ik im a smite psyker

still

i want more fire

[fervent quest]

Shun

[frank basin]

smyker

[dreamy scaffold]

shun me till i stun 20 crushers

i could let those hordes overwhelm you

smite gives you power

[fervent quest]

Nah it's bad and not fun

[dreamy scaffold]

its not bad

you spew fucking lightning from your hand

thats fun

[hollow ibex]

well the problem is, it's fun for you, but not for the rest of the team

[heady fractal]

Best stealth thammer build?

[fervent quest]

It does like zero damage and keeps every enemy stone cold still.

You can do CC with actual damage with venting shriek, soulblaze stuff, trauma staff

[tame lodge]

Or EP smite

But go on

[dreamy scaffold]

smite does damage what?

i can kill 12 ragers in one go

[hollow ibex]

smite can do great damage, that isn't the issue

[astral skiff]

Eeey congrats!

[hollow ibex]

lol thanks

[dreamy scaffold]

…care to elaborate pls

[hollow ibex]

it turns off the game for everyone else, that's the real problem

[dreamy scaffold]

frame issue?

[hollow ibex]

no, it's not very fun when the entire horde is stunlocked lol

[dreamy scaffold]

sounds like its not my issue

[hollow ibex]

well, you're causing issues for the rest of your team

[dreamy scaffold]

its not very fun being ganked either

[hollow ibex]

being ganked is a skill issue, and part of playing the game

some people prefer that over having smite turn the game off

[dreamy scaffold]

your argument is im stopping hordes from ending the game..?

[hollow ibex]

no?

[dreamy scaffold]

thats smite’s job

[hollow ibex]

your're turning off the game by pressing two buttons

it makes the game very boring

people don't play games to be bored

[dreamy scaffold]

you prob

[hollow ibex]

lol

typical smyker attitude

[dreamy scaffold]

genuinely tho

[hollow ibex]

you'll find that people in general look down on people who have your attitude

[dreamy scaffold]

you cant get mad at me for using it for its purpose

[hollow ibex]

nah

definitely can, if you're being inconsiderate to your teammates

[dreamy scaffold]

you’ll find that maybe, just maybe, its ragebait

[hollow ibex]

nah

[dreamy scaffold]

im gonna continue to use it, for its purpose

[hollow ibex]

if you haven't noticed, people don't like smykers around here

[dreamy scaffold]

you arent as cool as you think friend

[hollow ibex]

idc

[fervent quest]

I'm a Psyker main and can't stand smite, it gives psykers a bad rap

[hollow ibex]

the stereotype of smykers is that they're reliant on their crutch

and get flattened like a pancake once some crushers show up

[dreamy scaffold]

i use my weapons more than i use smite

[hollow ibex]

well that's fine

it's just smykers that do nothing but smite all game that drive people up the wall

[fervent quest]

I'm talking opportunity cost. In the time it took you to cast max peril twinkle fingers you could have been over capping soulblaze stacks or putting huge chunks into a horde with trauma, or been a total Frontline slaughterhouse with Scrier's

[dreamy scaffold]

but its so much easier

lmao

[astral skiff]

Hows everyone doin today?

[dreamy scaffold]

great, you?

[faint beacon]

Telling me you didn’t grind out master of war immediately for Veteran

Not even a real veteran main 🚬

[dreamy scaffold]

does rhis make me a real vet main twice over?

[agile mango]

focus target or weapon specialist for plasma vet?

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/waltergotme-gif-18867690

[grand perch]

100% ft

[agile mango]

what makes it better than weapon specialist?

[astral skiff]

Doin my taxes. my return is $69. the funny number.

[dreamy scaffold]

nice💀🙏🏻

[hollow ibex]

breakpoints, and plasma just isn't a super great fit for WS