veteran-class

[trail raptor]

Is there a resource which shows dump stats for weapons? Looking at swapping my shovel for something, looks like PS and DS are two to look into

[tame lodge]

There's a pinned one on #zealot-class but I don't think it covers vet's exclusives

[heavy rover]

Hammer of the emperor guide, check the pins

[trail raptor]

thanks!

[gleaming adder]

obligatory, "I want a helgun" post.

[junior grail]

Obligatory "Where's the Melta" post

[gleaming adder]

I just want some proper gear for once not some random boomstick the retinue found in some old man's hab or secondhand gear that we stole from an abandoned enforcer station

[junior grail]

List of Vet weapons I want

• Meltagun
• Longlas sniper
• Revolving Grenade Launcher
• Hellgun
• Light Stubber
• Powerfist

[formal ice]

None will be added

[terse idol]

A pittance of drip

For no weapons

A small price to pay

[tall torrent]

vet needs good melee weapons more than good ranged weapons

[formal ice]

Shovel 2

Thats the best you'll get

[hollow ibex]

powered shovel when

[craggy goblet]

but, ranged is his whole schtick tho no?

[tall torrent]

1.5 years ago, yea

but this is not a ranged combat game

this is a melee combat game that has guns

vet has the worst variety in good melee weapons

[formal ice]

Not when you are in a game that is focused on beating hordes of enemies with melee instead of ranged

[tall torrent]

how exactly do u plan to shoot better if 1 core pillar of the combat system is largely missing in your kit

[craggy goblet]

ngl, i do have my vet just like my zealot

and my psyker like my zealot

hell, everyone is just melee

idk, maybe it’s cuz i’m new, but having fun with just ps rn

[unreal nova]

Oggy just slaps things around.

[craggy goblet]

can’t wait

[formal ice]

Okay maybe not pysker

[craggy goblet]

fgs sciers gaze has been fun lmaooo

[terse idol]

PS is good still

I just really do feel like vet is relegated to at most like 4 melee

[undone sigil]

Should I get a third wound on vet? Or just stick with toughness

It is annoying to just die if there's a bit of corruption

[terse idol]

If you're comfortable with the game i always recommend no extra wound talent

Take an extra hp

What's your curio setup because wounds are worse with corruption build up

[unreal nova]

Take HP. 21% to help get closer to the 201 HP breakpoint.

[sharp epoch]

whats the 201 hp breakpoint do?

[unreal nova]

It's just so accidental bursters and snipers don't gib you.

It's like a def breakpoint.

[sharp epoch]

dont you survive those woth less than 200 hp

[faint beacon]

Melee is a core combat system mainly cause beyond Heresy hordes are going to swarm and force you out of ranged unless your team is literally baby sitting you

And no one wants or is willing to do that

[sharp epoch]

unless your psyker

[unreal nova]

I mean, for vet, I guess. Is mostly a psyker thing. Never hurts to have a little more hp for chip that goes through.

[faint beacon]

Infinite ammo and situational infinite cleave yeah they can massively get away with it

Inb4 but plasma

Plasma you do not use to horde clear I’ll state that lmao

[sharp epoch]

it was normal for most psykers in my lobbys to have 800k ranged dmg and 20k melee dmg

[unreal nova]

I might, if paid at least $7 an hour.

[faint beacon]

Pocket medic fucking ad

Pay me 10 USD per match and I’ll protect you

LMAO

[unreal nova]

I'll legit make a vet build to take all the support thing if I'm paid that much per hour.

[hollow ibex]

it's insurance to prevent being gibbed at one wound, or by two snipers/bursters

but in general, if you don't take extra hp, getting hit by a burster sniper hurts a LOT more

[sharp epoch]

I take 21% hp but on havoc idk if that 200 hp is reachable

[hollow ibex]

oh yeah not talking about havoc

[tall torrent]

not without major toughness loss

[sharp epoch]

I still take 1 toughness, 1 hp, 1 stam curio

helps for chip damage

[ionic bear]

chat im washed i forgor what the blessings are for plasma gun

which was it

[narrow frost]

[ionic bear]

theres TOO MUCH TEXT THERE

i need 2 words

[narrow frost]

ctrl F

[tall torrent]

unarmored
flak
rising heat
gets hot

[gilded raft]

Barnacle Splendiferous

[dawn garnet]

@tall torrent https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/veteran-weapon-specialist-keystone-talk/106855

thoughts?

[tall torrent]

not a fan of changing base WS to be dmg orientated

it's especially touching on the "feel" aspect by removing dodge buffs & atk speed buffs

whoever says vet doesn't want more than 10% atk speed does not play veteran melee enough

[languid stump]

Which combat knife is better btw? Is there a difference in how they perform?

[grand perch]

"WS too weak" lolz

[tall torrent]

invigorating change is not good enough, still meh at best

conditioning change is an absolute nightmare for code

not sure if author is anywhere remotely close to coding

[dawn garnet]

ikr going from rashad/boltpistol marty to rashad/boltpistol ws feels like a massive downgrade its not even worth the ranged buffs

[tall torrent]

fleeting fire change is very weird

[tall torrent]

III is simpler
VI is better

[tall torrent]

dmg invulnerability is not smth I rly am a fan of

I also don't think the author properly evaluated veteran's overall talent tree in reaching some of their conclusions

WS's subnodes are weak, and veteran is taxed heavily in reaching other strong talent picks

it's 2 steps of elimination

[languid stump]

…what does that mean

[tall torrent]

III has simpler moveset
VI has better performance

[tall torrent]

I already illustrated my design for WS subnodes in my draft

[languid stump]

…okay, thanks

[tall torrent]

WS by itself is too strong, and subnodes too weak, and other good talents cost too much to get
so divert some of that power into the subnodes, and simplify point taxes

it's not rocket science

[slow spade]

I just hope the reload node stays the same

I like the rashad + double barrel combo c:

[mortal horizon]

Vet shout build for high havoc.
I've been using this with plasma.

2 questions: am i better off pathing through confirmed kill up top instead?

and if i wanted to modify it for recon las, and pick up 'shock trooper' on the bottom left, im basically forced to drop 'On your toes', right? is there a better way to modify it to grab shock trooper? maybe drop Demolition team?

[sharp epoch]

drop on your toes for shock trooper with recon

also weapon swap speed is the way to go

[mortal horizon]

ok

and the only other ranged weapon that even comes close to recon and plasma right now is like, the bolter, or maybe a bolt pistol with the meme blessing for bigger grenades lol

is anything else good for vet in high havoc?

revolver?

[sharp epoch]

its really just plasma, vet is very limited in weapon choice

its the only thing with cleave in our arsenal

[mortal horizon]

ya

you either pick cleave with plasma, or ammo economy, rate of fire and dots with recon

[wind grotto]

revolver loses breakpoints that matter in high havoc, you could bring the fan the trigger revolver to kill bosses I guess? can't remember the names of them

[mortal horizon]

they need to buff other stuff tbh lol

[sharp epoch]

meanwhile psyker has infinite ammo and infinite cleave...

[mortal horizon]

vet feels strong/good with recon and plasma, no doubt

just a shame nothing else is really viable

i like the double barrel hot swap WS build in AM, but havent personally tried it in havoc

but had a vet on my team in havoc 30 the other night that did well with it

[sharp epoch]

I feel like vet is zealot 2.0 pretty much

instead of frags they got flamer, and instead of our precision weapon they use throwing knives

[mortal horizon]

correct recon las build?

[sharp epoch]

their melee proficency though is straight up better

[sharp epoch]

I run flak instead of unyielding

[hollow ibex]

that's what i use personally

[mortal horizon]

seems fair but in this havoc meta i feel like you really want that boss dmg

and i see a ton of reapers and bulwarks

[hollow ibex]

i think perks can be flakiack/unyielding/crit

[sharp epoch]

eh I put that on my sword

[mortal horizon]

flak tho works on captains, ya?

[sharp epoch]

you cant really afford to dump ammo on bosses at leasrt with plasma

flak is captains yeah

but they also take like 2x damage with melee soo

[mortal horizon]

with plasma no, sometimes i do on a BON or plague ogryn a few headshots to help out.

but with recon you can

i think recon being a lot better with boss dmg, edges it out in high havoc over plasma rn

bc of the boss spam

but its close

[sharp epoch]

I think using your sword on bosses is just way better though

[mortal horizon]

maybe having unyielding is going too hard into that tho

it just depends

being able to delete one quickly and safely for the team when theres 3-4+

really is crucial

and going in with melee is rough with twins/captains

and BON

[sharp epoch]

I alwats have to do a majority of the boss damage on havocs as vet

like its just necessary to kill them the fastest which is with the sword

so unyielding on the sword too

[mortal horizon]

power sword seems crazy in havoc

its strong but its mobility is just so rough

[lusty ether]

who needs mobility when you can carve space for yourself

in big scything sweeps

[sharp epoch]

you really need a team to kinda accomodate you like if your team has no stagger/impact then youre gonna get trampled

[grizzled nimbus]

what is the best helbore mk to use

[undone sigil]

Are those the better perks on power sword?

[lusty ether]

power cycler is a massive deal

[undone sigil]

I would've thought old faithful rampage would've been on there

[lusty ether]

brutal momentum is solid but not as mandatory as power cycler

[sharp epoch]

carapace is definitely needed, but unyielding is mainly for havoc

[lusty ether]

right, sorry

terminology

[undone sigil]

Blessings

[sharp epoch]

olh for blessings its always power cycler, and a choice between surge or bm

[undone sigil]

My bad

[lusty ether]

I made literally the same mistake, when you said perk

[undone sigil]

They feel like they should be the other way around

[lusty ether]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sharp epoch]

I mean sunder and bm

[lusty ether]

power cycler is a massive deal

[undone sigil]

Is carapace mainly for armoured ragers?

[sharp epoch]

sunder lets you constantly stunlock waves of ragers/maulers

[lusty ether]

without power cycler, special move is a niche thing that takes a lot of time

[sharp epoch]

crushers and maulers

[undone sigil]

Don't you have a plasma/bolter for them?

[lusty ether]

with power cycler, you can get into a rhythm of special->attack->attack->attack

[sharp epoch]

you cant really waste ammo on havoc agaisnt them

its like 5 shots to take one crusher out

[warm schooner]

lot of vets blowing through half their ammo in high havoc before 25% of the map is done

[undone sigil]

Dare I ask what vet is meant to do

[granite jasper]

Yall know what are the best perks and blessings for the infantry lasgun and chain sword?

[warm schooner]

learn to use a power sword

and melee

[undone sigil]

More if you're going to melee I'm sure ogryn and priest do a far better job

[sharp epoch]

kill spcialist mainly long range ones

[lusty ether]

after a point, melee isn't optional

there's just stuff and you need to pull your weight

[undone sigil]

Oh I'm aware of that

[lusty ether]

you can't rely on your team do the melee for you

[sharp epoch]

I wish there was a subset of vet that was viable and it was optional like how staff psyker is designed

[undone sigil]

You got to be smoking a carton of deathsticks a day to think you'll get to ignore melee as a vet

[lusty ether]

pistol+sword in melee slot

make it happen

[sharp epoch]

First they'd have to make ammo actually abundant on havoc

and ranged vet would need better toughness regen/tdr against shooters at the least

[hollow ibex]

you could with ilas prob

maybe even recon

it's just not a good idea

[sharp epoch]

Yeah it works on malestroms but not havoc

the infinite ammo is really not infinite even with every crit chance node and perk

plus the fact your fighting carapace and bosses every second

[gilded wraith]

Does Opening Salvo function with Plasma?

[hollow ibex]

yes... but it sucks

[gilded wraith]

Yeah, thinking about Mortis options.

[sharp epoch]

meme quickdraw revolver is what I do

[gilded wraith]

Seems like it could have entertainment value with Death Dealer path.

Vraks 5, and Marksman Focus Bolter are also fun.

I wish you could pick your starting path from all 5. Building for Death Dealer, then it not being an option is annoying.

[gilded wraith]

Can someone with a perfect plasma (71/69) try an experiment for me? Once you fire your 8 light shots and it auto vents for you, do you get 1 or 2 more shots before hitting your heat limit again?

[sharp epoch]

71/69 CHARGE RATE/HEAT?

[sharp epoch]

I get 2 shots extra

[gilded wraith]

charge 71/thermal 69

[sharp epoch]

71 thermal 69 charge I get 2 shots extra

[gilded wraith]

Thanks! That's also what I'm getting with this one and I'm uncertain if it's worth trying to chase perfection.

Just not certain where it's rounding for that extra point.

[tall torrent]

unyielding not needed for power sword on havoc

it's just QoL

elite is better (3 hit both ragers, same bulwark breakpoint)

[sharp epoch]

I'm gonna try flak for now cause captains are actuallyh the main problem

[tall torrent]

flak doesn't make u kill void shield faster

void shield has dmg gate per hit

[sharp epoch]

oh what I thought its flak damage

[tall torrent]

no, void shield is 7th armor type

but it has dmg gate so after u hit dmg gate, atk speed matters more than dmg

for example

rashad light atk has higher dps vs void shield than heavy atk

because of the dmg gate

[gilded wraith]

Is that while charged shockmaul seems to bring it down quickly?

*why

[sharp epoch]

no wonder the brain dead ogryn m1 bujlds are so effective

[tall torrent]

I think carapace + elite, power cycler + brutal momentum for power sword VI is the strongest vet melee rn

scales incredibly well with vet's talent tree

u can make it still 2 tap crusher like damnation

with marksman + CQKZ up

[sharp epoch]

problem is havoc breakpoints are wonky

[tall torrent]

it's not

[sharp epoch]

like its 3-4 hits on crushers

[tall torrent]

power sword is absurdly cracked at breakpoints

only thing that fucks breakpoints over rn is orange

crusher is 5400 health carapace

power sword energized Push ATK, with 5%Mdmg, desperado, superiority complex, 25% carapace and 10% elite is 2249 on weakspot vs carapace

L4 is 1957

so ~4.2k dmg in 2 hits

with marksman and CQKZ up, they give u ~1.338x the existing dmg

5627 dmg vs carapace in 2 hits

enough to kill a crusher at max havoc scaling, assuming orange isn't in play

and if it is, just hit it with L1 follow after L4

it's not complicated

[sharp epoch]

So it's 3 hit

[tall torrent]

it's 2 hit

with marksman + CQKZ

3 hit without

and if orange is in play, 3 hit with marksman + CQKZ

[sharp epoch]

marksman??

[tall torrent]

red node on left side

[sharp epoch]

theres not enough points for that

[tall torrent]

there is tho

only thing u rly sacrifice is +1 nade and twinned blast

but marksman scales super well for power sword cuz it's a flat x1.2, since u don't get strength anywhere else for it

[sharp epoch]

but the 25 toughess and ogryn killing node

[tall torrent]

yea they don't scale as good

[sharp epoch]

🥲

[tall torrent]

marksman is for every enemy

BiD is only for ogryn and monster

doesn't include any other elite

doesn't include captain (scab captain, admonition champion, scab lieutenant)

and u alrdy can get a 25 toughness on bottom right side, with toughness curious in support of it

[sharp epoch]

ill try it on a havco

[tall torrent]

Marksman + CQKZ also 2 taps bulwarks from full health

[gilded wraith]

Any changes to plasma perks with the new havoc?

[sharp epoch]

nop

[tall torrent]

Nah

Core numbers unchanged

Granted, I think recon scales even better than before cuz of extra bosses

And being able to burn BoN from afar is a pretty sweet deal

[gilded wraith]

6c have a role? or stick with the 12?

[hollow ibex]

6 is good

much better ergonomics, doesn't slow you down while firing

and better ammo econ

XII's RPM is just overkill usually

[gilded wraith]

Would this be close for a recon/ps havoc build as the sole vet?

[gilded wraith]

Thanks!

[hollow ibex]

i'd skip marksman and go for CKQZ or extra toughness

marksman doesn't help with recon very much

CKQZ will boost infernus damage

so it's a tossup between toughness and CKQZ imo

i'm assuming you're taking WS because of psword dodges

[gilded wraith]

I can probably get by without it, but I hate not having a keystone.

[hollow ibex]

yeah fair

[tall torrent]

works

[faint beacon]

PS6 finally clicked after deciding to take it far more slower

[supple stag]

Weapon spec PS6 is my favourite thing to do whenever I just wanna slice brainlessly

[frank basin]

been running around psyk with plasma testing about get hot vs blaze away stuff

What's different two performing

[slim pagoda]

how do u play vet

[narrow frost]

kill.

[tropic notch]

Dodge

[tame lodge]

Melee Ranged hybrid

[frank basin]

Shoota and krumpin

[tame lodge]

Shoot and stab on similar ratios

[slim pagoda]

sounds fun

[loud belfry]

turn off the game

[slim pagoda]

is it true that u gotta have a third hand to be good at it

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

This build SUCKS

don’t use it

[loud belfry]

that would definitely help, i guess

[slim pagoda]

so its the right for me then

[loud belfry]

but probably not by much

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/nicolas-cage-dazed-unbearable-weight-massive-talent-pedro-pascal-gif-15280745598034380181

[tropic notch]

Only if you’re a sedition play tester

[loud belfry]

humans have enough trouble controlling the fingers they have

[slim pagoda]

can i use that gun that goes zappidy zap

[loud belfry]

i dont think there are any electric guns

if that's what you mean

plasma? recon lasgun? the world may never know

[slim pagoda]

lasgoon

[frank basin]

las weapon are hot zap

plasma are mechanic fire

[tame lodge]

Infantry Lasguns if you can aim
Recon Lasguns if you want to slurp ammo, it do go brrrrr

Helbores if you want clunky but really hard hits

Plasma goes wooomp (affectionate)

Laspistols if you can aim

[frank basin]

I like my way Gets hots + Focused Cooling... (plasma) ☹️

[magic trout]

is this a mod for plasma heat gauge?

[frank basin]

no that's boss health bar

testing damage total

[gilded wraith]

Interested to see Rising Heat, Gets Hot.

[frank basin]

sigh... boot the game up again

[gilded wraith]

Heh, no good deed goes unpunished.

[proven garden]

can I get a hellbore build with kraks

[frank basin]

vs BA + Op.C

Rising and blaze

[junior grail]

All these are full charge from 0?

[frank basin]

These are light attack

All start from zero heat

My plasma is gambling on damage

[junior grail]

How is BA and OpC doing so much damage on first light shot?

[frank basin]

No no not that

I meant this picture are test base on shot per damage

Like uh scale on heat

[junior grail]

Ohhhh

Thanks for clearing up

[frank basin]

Ba and OpC give like 12 shot

Sorry I forgot give context

[junior grail]

Issokay rejects love and forgive each other

[frank basin]

But not with what I have my plasma on it

Someone gonna point out my blessing is bad pick what so ever

I got nerve with data and datas with among nerd pandemic

[split grove]

every weapon i try, i just go back to rashad

can vet tree not be so tax heavy

[frank basin]

I find other way creatively

Or least just go with a flow

[barren nimbus]

I wish the classic warhammer weapons were a little more enjoyable, like the chainsword or shovel

[split grove]

mfw the shovel is a weapon of choice

in the 41st millenia, the shit scooper is still the melee weapon of choice

[barren nimbus]

its kind of annoying to use

but it can be decent

[frank basin]

Ogryn shovel does big pp dmg

Human sized, not… really… formidable

(Note: I never tried those foldable shovel and already sheeptalk about is bad)

[barren nimbus]

I thought only the foldable was good

it does decent carapace damage but it looks stupid

[frank basin]

The og one (with thrust) is okay for horde, doesn’t go above rank

[barren nimbus]

the non foldable looks cooler but is terrible

[frank basin]

Heavy attack need go faster

[barren nimbus]

you would think in a warhammer game the chainsword and lasgun would be strong

[frank basin]

The lore wise tell it

But game wise like nah if is follow lore wise; it’s power creept

[uncut pebble]

The mk1 shovel is far from terrible.

Uncanny + skullcrusher is enough to obliterate a crusher, you just have to use your brain for it.

[austere mica]

Skullcrusher Decimator is similarly funny

[uncut pebble]

Special headshot > push > push attack headshot is like half a crushers hp without carapace damage.

[austere mica]

50% power will never not be funny

[tall torrent]

Decimator is meh
Shovel doesn’t do enough stagger to make best use case of skullcrusher against elite enemies

[proven garden]

pass a infantry autogun build rq

[signal zinc]

As a lasgun main, my plan against crushers is "tag it and run the fuck away because it's not my problem"

[hollow ibex]

if you brought a lasgun, you brought a melee that can deal with carapace, or kraks.... right??

[sleek garden]

been using lasguns a lot and infantry autoguns

[signal zinc]

I ain't wasting kraks on crushers tbh

[sleek garden]

the columnus medium autogun is a lot of fun

it also plinks scab shooters to the brain and needs like 2-3 shots for heavier dudes

i take my achlys combat axe

[signal zinc]

Carpel tunnel is fun

[sleek garden]

when i need to kill lots of guys i hipfire into crowds after expending all my frags

it makes a lot of crunching sounds

i like

[signal zinc]

After trying out a bunch of melees I realized that simple is better

[sleek garden]

"don't hipfire into crowds" this is the end event of smelter complex i am surrounded

i am hipfiring at head level into crowds

[sleek garden]

mk1 devils claw

2 repeating vanguard heavies

easiest horde clear of all time

[hollow ibex]

? it's one of their main uses

[sleek garden]

i wouldnt use a krak on one crusher

if theres a group yes

[signal zinc]

I know but I prefer to chuck em at bosses

Zealots or Ogryns are more than happy to kill crushers

I clear the chaff for em

Btw anyone else use the automatic mod for their infantry lasgun

It's a lifesaver I tell you

[hollow ibex]

vet regens nades pretty quickly

so don't feel that you have to save them

[umbral scaffold]

Aslong as you always have 1 handy you're good

[barren nimbus]

All they have to do to make kraks good is make them nearly instantly blow up

[umbral scaffold]

Frags are my favorite

Useful for everything

Kraks are good too tho

[barren nimbus]

You’ll literally spend more time throwing and waiting for them to blow up than it takes to melee them down

[umbral scaffold]

That's why u always keep them on rotation w one handy for emergency situations

Just take the 45 second regen there's no need for the other tbat makes it like happen 50 times unless your in havoc

[hollow ibex]

i think they should make them 3 base

in addition to making them impact nades

[wind grotto]

I don't think that would make them good even if they did both of those things

[faint beacon]

Kraks are the games stickie nades

I don’t think they should be impacts

[dry cloak]

If you wa t impact nades go play oggy with GG

[hollow ibex]

true, or make the fuse shorter then

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-demoman-tf2-demoman-tf2-demoman-gif-21709333

[umbral scaffold]

Havoc made me realise I need plasma gun 😂

But it was in the back of my head for a long time

[junior grail]

How consistent is Nade regen on Spec kill

[junior grail]

More like homing nades

[grand perch]

Given it's a chance it's not consistent at all, but triggers often enough to be very worth it

[placid portal]

Pox hound wave modifier

[calm shard]

hey @tall torrent you're smart about veteran

how would you build for mk iv helbore in new havoc

[sharp epoch]

you really cant win with it unless you get carried

[dry cloak]

can someone explain why exe stance brauto is a funny build?

[grand perch]

Cuz it gives additional accuracy due to the zoom in

[dry cloak]

Its that simple?

[grand perch]

Also it reloads quick enough so exec does not expire while reloading

[dry cloak]

So shredder also works

[grand perch]

Suppose it does but never tried that

[dry cloak]

From what i gather it has better finnese than brautos

So it would scale better with exe stance

Gonna something to have to do after school. Outside of farming curios

Idk if you have work. If youre capable of testing it fast please do

[grand perch]

Wörk wörk

[sharp epoch]

@dry cloak @grand perch sigh were you guys not here when brauto/shredder exe stance was the meta?

[dry cloak]

No

I started before sotmg

[sharp epoch]

people used to hate shredder exe stance vets it was before the talent tree update where every vet choice had exe stance

[dry cloak]

But i experienced oneshotting 4 crushers with shovel on oggy

[sharp epoch]

oggys broken

[dry cloak]

I started playing after skill trees were added

[sharp epoch]

anyways it was an og build before they nerfed it

killed shredder pistol and made exe stance a lot worse now

they were fun builds though

[regal belfry]

i hope they buff the semi auto rifles

[dry cloak]

Theres 1 seminauto the other 2 are burst

And the thing is i play the 3rd burst on the regular without sweating

[grand perch]

Of course I bloody was

God awful meta that was

[thin stone]

How's the new ogryn rework?

[dry cloak]

really good

[tough tiger]

ogryn op

[regal belfry]

ogryn facerolls

[slow spade]

It needs MORE

[split grove]

Ogryn is better zealot

[dry cloak]

zealot is the most boring class imo

[junior grail]

They need a talent tree rework too

[serene bough]

just need a shorter fuse and a greater carry capacity

2 kraks is kinda nonsense when you consider how much armor there is in the game

should get 4 by default imo

perhaps a slightly larger blast radius too so you can easily kill clusters of armor

[unreal nova]

Won't do much. It's like the nuke but far worse.

[serene bough]

it'll give it some level of versatility

right now they're best just used for boss DPS and removing bulwarks immediately

oh, and uncanny needs to be nerfed and not be applied to shredders too

[wind grotto]

I don't think shredders need to be hit, I think they need to just completely rework kraks and smoke

an anti armor grenade makes sense in a game where armored units don't run at you a dozen at a time but you probably won't even kill every bulwark running at you with 3 right now

and the smokes are decent for a lot of stuff they just need to give some sort of buff for standing in it along with the visual of the edge of the smoke cloud being more obvious

[serene bough]

moreso uncanny needs to be hit

[native robin]

I think that's the reason they gave us only 2 as the default. 4 Kraks and a single vet would trivialise any boss heavy mission

[serene bough]

shredders acting as anti-armor aoe bc it applies to uncanny is going to make smokes and kraks redundant

well, aside from niche circumstances, but anybody w/ experience will take shredders over kraks

[serene bough]

thats fine, or yhou could tune boss dmg a bit

theres just not enough kraks to make them useful, and when you consider how much shredders do i dont see an issue with this

[grand perch]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/s7_KAYz9C6hmBGEOTrUDHDlpYjoNrMPJ_P8lgjTGKYM/%3Fimw%3D5000%26imh%3D5000%26ima%3Dfit%26impolicy%3DLetterbox%26imcolor%3D%2523000000%26letterbox%3Dfalse/https/images.steamusercontent.com/ugc/54712754088165870/E09C0DF6F12FD3F7BD5C2AF30EEFBCB8423AC3BF/?format=webp

[barren nimbus]

which recon lasgun is the best

[hollow ibex]

xii or vi

[tall torrent]

I don't like helbore that much

[grand perch]

i used to main mk IV until the overhauled havoc mode

ive finally giving up on it, too much struggle in the current meta. its gotten just too slow

[red robin]

Oi

This real?

The proc’ing to inspiring barrage?

[tall torrent]

toughness gain is all additive

[grand perch]

i would assume path checked the code on this one if he put it in guide, or at least tested

[tall torrent]

this is kuli's

mine isn't published

[grand perch]

oh, k

[red robin]

So uh

What does that mean

[tall torrent]

let's say inspiring barrage has stacked 5 times

[red robin]

Ok

[tall torrent]

for the next 10% of max mag size u fire continuously

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-notes-noted-gif-26232003

[tall torrent]

u will gain 20% of ur max toughness

if those ranged attacks from that 10% of max maz size kills an enemy

[red robin]

Oooo

[tall torrent]

that'll give u 5% of ur max toughness (Out for Blood)

these don't really interact with each other

[pseudo fiber]

Without it being a shooter meta anymore it struggles

[red robin]

Dang

I got a toughness support build that uses marksmen focus and the toughness replenishment node

To use born leader to share toughness

[paper furnace]

i wish smokes didnt literally disable the ai, i wish it just gave you ~90% dodge to ranged.

[red robin]

Payday 2 ah mechanics

[tall torrent]

tunnel vision is a different mechanic

it's a multiplier to toughness u gain

[red robin]

Yeah

I love that

[barren nimbus]

do you guys think 10% rending is better than 20% monstrosity damage

[tall torrent]

no

but depends

[barren nimbus]

rending is generally working on every elite though

[red robin]

That’s also 20% to ogyrns

[tall torrent]

are u aware of excess TADM conversion

[barren nimbus]

no

[red robin]

Can you explain that if it doesn’t take up your time too much

I like learning mechanics

[stark cove]

Is there any notable difference between the MKIII and MK VII sapper shovels, because it doesn’t feel like much if any at all

[red robin]

Big difference in special attack dmg and commitment window to attack

The one with the meatier hit does wonders for dmg with skullcrusher

Like the two tap

[stark cove]

Ah ok

Thank you

[red robin]

I think the 3 is the faster one

And the 7 is the two tap of hit and pull out

[stark cove]

[red robin]

What weapons fall under this?

[barren nimbus]

i guess like dueling sword and knife

[tall torrent]

every single attack in the game

[red robin]

Ok I’m being stupid

Because what I’m asking is broad

As there’s properties to every attack

[barren nimbus]

what does tadm even mean

[tall torrent]

it's quite literally in the picture

[red robin]

Total dmg multiplier

[barren nimbus]

what is the a?

[red robin]

I think I forgot the A in TADM

Armor

[grand perch]

simplified, every excess rending+brittleness is converted into extra damage, but divided by 4

[tall torrent]

not just rending

brittleness also converts

[red robin]

Hmmm

[grand perch]

i was literally just editing that in

[red robin]

Nutty

[barren nimbus]

how common is it to ever actually have full brittleness and rending

maybe on some bosses

[red robin]

Depends on talents and weapon blessings

Brittleness is capped at 40% I think

Easiest rending cap is from uncanny strike

[tall torrent]

if u have any brittleness at all, not hard to max

since regular brittleness caps at 16 stacks

as for rending

it has no cap

the basic conclusion is that if your attacks have predominantly high ADMs, rending and brittleness don't benefit you much

it only really matters for attacks that have innately low ADMs

[red robin]

Shovel?

MK1

[tall torrent]

the assumption that brittleness is "better" than rending because it helps whole team is also wrong

because rending works all the time for self and doesn't take time to apply to enemy to benefit
and ultimately, brittleness' team aspect only depends on what ur team has

if ur team has like, relic blade, power sword, plasma, etc

then bringing brittleness for them is basically not gonna matter

if ur team has guys with weapons that have uncanny strike

brittleness also won't matter enough for that

[red robin]

wait

im reading the vet guide

exhilarating takedown is 73 toughness dmg resist?

[tall torrent]

ex: using onslaught for recon to apply brittleness onto a crusher so your teammate with an uncanny DS4 can melee kill it "faster" is completely null

[red robin]

at max stacks?

[tall torrent]

yea

[red robin]

wtf

[tall torrent]

it's x0.9 TDR, all multiplicative

[red robin]

does that make it nutty or meh?

[tall torrent]

it's alr

[red robin]

compared to?

[tall torrent]

it's weaker than the other toughness gain talents (Confirmed Kill, Out for Blood)

[red robin]

ooo

[tall torrent]

ranged weakspot kill dependency sucks

it is what it is

[red robin]

i see

[tall torrent]

also locked behind longshot lol

[red robin]

longshot mid?

[hollow ibex]

nah

[grand perch]

longshot = longshit

[hollow ibex]

it's bad

[grand perch]

its also too bad everyone seems to use it cause they dont know better

50% chance on inspecting randoms vets, they have it

[tall torrent]

peak dogshit

[red robin]

what would even fix it?

full value past 13m?

or nothing since all combat is close encounters

[tall torrent]

rework +%Fdmg's entire code

better yet

delete the whole thing

[red robin]

yeahh

[tall torrent]

make it a different talent

[red robin]

its funny i like the marksmen playstyle

popping heads

but damn does it feel clunky

and not rewarding

[faint beacon]

We discussing Longshot and ET pathing?

Cause I find it to be interesting but I think they should try to gear that side more towards a generalization of rewarding Weakspot hits and focusing on weak spots

[grand perch]

not discussing, taking a dump on it

you mean like melee weakspot hits too? cause if any bonus up there is for ranged only, its always going to be worse than o4b or ck

[faint beacon]

Yeah just in general Weakspot

Rewards precision for both melee and ranged

Cause in a game where especially on higher difficulties where it’s far more melee based

[gilded wraith]

On Hit vs On Kill would be handy too with all the psyker DoTs yoinking kills.

[faint beacon]

On hit would be incredibly powerful

On kill can let you snowball off of chaffe to get toughness and TDR though admittedly it’s teetering on a better O4B

[slow spade]

Pls proc psykine aura on hit kk thx

[gilded wraith]

What's a high cleave, high swing speed melee?

Assuming I'm using cleave correctly, large number of enemies hit, not hit mass penetration.

[gilded raft]

Activated power sword or heavy sword

[faint beacon]

Cleave lets you slice through more enemies but it still will drop your damage through targets

“Ignore hitmass” blessings don’t give that damage drop through enemies if it kills

That’s a TLDR

Far better explanation in Paths guide in the pins

[viscid sparrow]

power sword has garbage dodges, and heavy sword lacks the ability to deal with armour, so high cleave weapons do sacrifice a lot of the other important parts of a melee weappn to have that high cleave in my opinion...

[faint beacon]

PS is still incredible it’s just you’re far less rushing everything

And you need to be more on point with defending yourself or letting the horde come to you

Cause the hell is a groaner horde gonna do to the never ending lawn mower that is PC4 Power Sword

[barren nimbus]

power sword is fun until you're actually in a dire situation and it becomes pretty awful

[viscid sparrow]

fair point. I guess I just prefer Rashad caxe and/or folding shovels so much that any other option just doesn't feel right...

[gilded raft]

Yeah, but when you're rocking a heavy single target gun and conserving ammo for the main targets, they're the go to for cleaning poxwalkers off your tail so you can go back to shooting stuff

[faint beacon]

VOC and Frags are the solution to when you’re out of stamina and dodges

[gilded raft]

Ideally your team does that for you so you stay shooting, but that's not always the case

[faint beacon]

That’s honestly never the case

Unless you’re playing Havoc

[grand perch]

then its especially not the case

[faint beacon]

Never rely on pubbers to cover your weaknesses

[gilded raft]

Sadly not even then most of the time

[serene bough]

PS is potent but I'll always value mobility over raw damage

[barren nimbus]

does the power sword cleave through carapace

[serene bough]

being able to avoid damage and move out of tough situations is better than trying to DPS your way through them imo

[faint beacon]

Yes

[barren nimbus]

thats kinda nice

[faint beacon]

Powered mode cleaves through everything

PS feels awful cause of low mobility

Imo

[gilded raft]

Active power sword cleaves everything but you need to sacrifice a blessing to make it worth it (needs power cycler)

[faint beacon]

It feels awful cause unpowered has 0 purpose to exist outside of being annoying

[slow spade]

Only times I had genuine issues with Psword is daemonhostd

[tall torrent]

Every other melee except knife is not rly any different for those situations

[barren nimbus]

I just find it hard to do the shove attack consistently when surrounded

[slow spade]

Good luck dueling one of those lol

[slow spade]

Just push first

[grand perch]

hang on, i seem to remember Psword only cleaves cara if you take sunder

[slow spade]

Pushing is a 360 degree stagger

[faint beacon]

VOC and Shredder stagger juggling but this is assuming your team is actively helping

They usually don’t

Lmao

[normal bay]

Devil claw is clearly superior

[slow spade]

Yeah...

[slow spade]

True, Fatshark please buff psword

Bring back 7 charged attack psword

[barren nimbus]

if youre a level 1000 veteran they should give you a real power sword that stays active forever

thoughts

[faint beacon]

No

[serene bough]

i wish they'd make the power sword more like the relic blade

[faint beacon]

I’m literally lvl 1081

[slow spade]

No because no one gets good things in 40k

[red robin]

so why do i see that revolver has reload speed and mobility as dump stat

[serene bough]

having to constantly spam activate the weapon is so tedious

[narrow frost]

@faint beacon

[red robin]

is that like having weapon specialist in mind

[faint beacon]

I’d rather they just tweak off mode and make it decent

[narrow frost]

ham and I are doing slap only hav40

[faint beacon]

500 bosses

[narrow frost]

I was curios to get killed

[barren nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/im-in-danger-ralph-the-simpsons-gif-12381836

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/500-cigarettes-the-orville-gif-7658479820042125764

[slow spade]

Waiting for fatshark to add named poxwalkers that 1-tap us

[faint beacon]

Patiently waiting for

1 unkillable crusher that you have to constantly respect the entire match

[grand perch]

its nurgles pet crusher, he cant die

you just gotta lead him around, love it

[narrow frost]

Just like Chaos Wastes

there is a modifer that spawns a ghost

that slowly follows you

and will hurt you when touches

[tall torrent]

I’m a bit more open minded to it now because power sword is by far vet’s strongest melee and it’s not close

[hollow ibex]

Realistically you don't have other options

[tall torrent]

Yes
But also power sword is by far the strongest even if other options were good

It’s the best optimized for veteran’s talent tree

[grand perch]

and you say that while ds4 exists?

[tall torrent]

Yea

Power sword wins in every metric that isn’t sprinting, blocking and dodging

[frank basin]

only offense

[grand perch]

and dispatching armor and faster without the need for stamina consuming push attacks

unless youre cleaving multiple caras

i guess

nah ill have to disagree on that one

[frank basin]

either pick cara 1 by 1

or just bolt them up

[tall torrent]

It’s faster vs carapace if power sword has no stamina

But power sword kills faster with stamina, with better breakpoints

[serene bough]

i'll still prefer knife to PS just because im partial to mobility

[grand perch]

the need for stamina is a major problem

[tall torrent]

Nah

It’s not as big of a deal

[serene bough]

if the PS didnt have such trash mobility id probably take it over the knife

[frank basin]

dodge distance is short

[grand perch]

im telling you it is though, in practice

[tall torrent]

Yea, in practice, it’s not

Because you have 1s stam regen back after u finish L4

[slow spade]

Just get some sprint effi curios so you can block stab immediately

Other than that, you should be fine unless you're just dodge spamming

[tall torrent]

It’s just in time for stam regen to kick in a little

It’s not like knife where u spam at such a high frequency

[grand perch]

and if you have to block once, its game over

[tall torrent]

Nah

[grand perch]

DS4 keeps up the damage, dodge and ability to block if necessary

[slow spade]

Actually I block a lot with Psword

[hollow ibex]

I haven't had stam issues at all with PS

[slow spade]

Its not that bad

I'm going to be frank. The stam issue sounds like you just haven't used psword

[hollow ibex]

I don't run stam curios or take stam regen node

[tall torrent]

It’s really not as bad as you’re picturing

[frank basin]

veteran sprint speed like carrying a lot ammo

[grand perch]

yeah only like 200 hours in high havocs alone

[frank basin]

with ps it felt heavier

[grand perch]

and ive gone down in situation where i wouldnt have with ds4

[slow spade]

Like I could say dueling sword is shit because it has no horde clear. But everyone knows its fine in practice

[tall torrent]

Basically if u don’t run into stamina problems with Rashad, u don’t with power sword

They’re functionally very similar in terms of in-combat stamina use

Even though their push atks are for different enemies

The frequency at which you use those attacks is similar

[grand perch]

have you started playing havocs again path? i seem to remember you didnt last iteration

[tall torrent]

I did

[slow spade]

Psword needs a buff though

[tall torrent]

It’s by far the strongest

[slow spade]

Because I like psword

Give me 2 pswords

[tall torrent]

I’m also not using sunder for it anymore

BM scales better for new havoc

[slow spade]

I want to be a rager with pswords instead

[grand perch]

nah ill stick with DS4 for tryharding, the mobility is just too much of a gamechanger

[slow spade]

To each their own

Dueling sword brutal momentum when?

[frank basin]

i thought your name is who you are

[slow spade]

They're cheating on Tac Axe

[tall torrent]

I think DS4 makes more sense on zealot than on vet now

[slow spade]

Not loyal smh

[tall torrent]

DS4 doesn’t kill unyielding well enough without crits

Power sword 2-3 taps bulwarks

[lament belfry]

i saw a veteran that was dodging while sprinting or something. what talent does that? they were recon lasgun build. gun build

and when they shot things they started shooting faster too

[grand perch]

it is. i enjoy tac axe immensely

i dont use it to tryhard

ill get to using it in h40 again eventually. i did before the rework

[slow spade]

Sounds like a Weapon Specialist Recon? Which is a weird combo but ok

[lament belfry]

what ability dodges while walking or sprinting for veteran?

[frank basin]

does it dodge slide?

[slow spade]

Recon with some blessing. I forgot the name. Its either Ghost or Run and Gun

[frank basin]

Stripped down

[slow spade]

Fuck

[tall torrent]

You don’t have to have blessing to sprint avoid ranged attacks

It’s just angle dependent

If u don’t want it to be angle dependent, u need stripped down

[hasty grove]

How can I use the laspistol?

[wise fossil]

Anyone know of any good YouTube vids of Thammer gameplay? Struggling to wrap my mind around good practices

[hasty grove]

I really like the design but it just seems impossible to use at higher levels

[hollow ibex]

Auto clicker mod

And then you use it with a melee build

[tropic notch]

Tbh I hate the ds on vet

Only one I find viable is the mk 5

I find the knife better

Or Rashad

[serene bough]

Use the mk2

You'd use with a more melee focused build

[hasty grove]

Im on OS5

PS5*

[hollow ibex]

Oh rip

[unreal nova]

Just have no choice but to ruin your finger.

[hollow ibex]

F for our console brethren

[hybrid token]

gotg a true survivor run on new havoc 40

easy with no fat ogryns blocking aim !

[west umbra]

are there any veteran guides that are easy to follow

[tall torrent]

depends

are u completely new to the game?

[shut olive]

Laspistol is goated when used as util instead of a gun sometimes. Can easily carry people on havocs with a trash mobility melee and then swap to laspistol for movement (+0.89 sprint speed) which is p much enough to outrun anything

And then it also has stupid unyielding dmg xD

[serene bough]

Laspistol is nice but the fall off at range feels bad

[west umbra]

not really just tying to find a build for veteran thats all

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984525651904176209/1327912507150565436/IMG_2005.png?ex=67f582a5&is=67f43125&hm=becc6599d2e0e6b8058cca60c1a4083b5d8935a47fa008aac8083b15a5b4897c&

beginner for veteran

[west umbra]

thanks

[mossy oasis]

guys did they break the bayonet

like

its worse now

also you cant bayonet charge

aka you dont get a speed boost when holding the bayonet attack

its actually slower now

wtf??

was this intentional? These things werent even listed it was supposed to be a straight buff

[hybrid plover]

no this was intentional

they nerfed the animation speeds for the stabby bayonets

why?

there probably isn't a single guardsman that can answer that question for you because it's probably one of the most asinine weapon changes i've seen them make yet

[grand perch]

Because bayonets profit from melee damage Talents now

[hybrid plover]

That is not enough of a tradeoff honestly.

[tall torrent]

it always did

desperado and agile engagement both helped

[grand perch]

Then explain why my Mark 4 can suddenly one shot snipers

Yeah okay but now every Talent applies I think before it wasn't every one

[tall torrent]

it's just melee atk speed

which is just trench fighter drill

[grand perch]

Oh misunderstood that then

[mossy oasis]

sooo its a straight up nerf

but what i dont understand is removing the movement speed

[tall torrent]

yes

[mossy oasis]

it feels so stupid now

[tall torrent]

there's no move speed removal

bayonet charge still gives extra move speed

[mossy oasis]

like before it was a tesco bayonet charge now it feels like you are awkwardly holding the weapon at your hip and SLIDING into your enemy

[mossy oasis]

nope?

i am literally in the meat grinder right now

and it slows you down now.

to like melee charge speed.

test it.

[tall torrent]

are u talking about the move speed bonus for sprinting while holding a charged bayonet attack

or smth else

[mossy oasis]

oh no wait

so you cant go from sprint INTO bayonet charge

[tall torrent]

cuz this was unchanged

[mossy oasis]

but if you first hold then sprint it works

i might be wrong but im like 80% sure it wasnt like that before

[tall torrent]

nah it's been like that

doing bayonet attack (or charging) cancels sprint action

[unreal forge]

going for kraks instead of shredders is crazy IMO

when everyone can kill crushers faster than a krak can explode

but shredders provide insane stagger and CC value that really speeds up the work melees do

[tall torrent]

Bulwark removal & boss stagger

Shredder is not as reliable for boss stagger (has to be within 2m blast center)

And beginner players tend to struggle with ogryn threats more

[unreal forge]

true

[soft jewel]

Currently in the process of giving Vet a try on a break from Ogryn and Zealot. I understand Melee isn't exactly Vets Strongsuit but what's a good melee weapon for them to have? Especially early on

[hollow ibex]

Melee is very important still

Early on you can use whatever

But the meta weapon right now is power sword (dogshit until you get power cycler 4 though)

[sleek garden]

Devils claw

[hollow ibex]

And Rashad (may have issues until you hit level 30)

So just use whatever

Until you hit 30

[strange crow]

inb4 someone recommends Duelling sword

[sleek garden]

single target use antaxe combat axe until high levels because the defense and cleave is better than rashad

[soft jewel]

I was told Zealot and Vet where best for starting players. Though people on reddit pointed it as more your range is more important always

[sleek garden]

The important bit is have fun actually

[forest breach]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468992143227355136/1358917011593498654/uncapped_edit_1744061385759.mp4?ex=67f59597&is=67f44417&hm=b87f8904130ccdbf1471dc03947921d0da78e289297153040159c029943a4881&

well this is fun

[sleek garden]

If you get a random drop revolver guess what you're using because you're level 5

You're using a revolver

[hollow ibex]

Zealots the better starting class tbh

[sleek garden]

When I got the game I first started as psyker

[soft jewel]

Ogryn is where I ended up starting and now I'm admittedly struggling with everything else

[hollow ibex]

Ogryn will absolutely spoil you lol

Also plays different from the lil uns

[unreal nova]

Nu, KNOIFE.

[soft jewel]

With Zealot I still have high survivability so it's not too bad

But vet is a struggle

[sleek garden]

You can't tank as much, try the forbidden tactic of blocking

I block a lot

[unreal nova]

Dodge more. CaB breaks on block which is dumb.

[hollow ibex]

Yeah vet life is kinda rough now these days

[sleek garden]

He's levelling up his new vet

[hollow ibex]

I got spoiled by ogryn and zealot

[sleek garden]

Try devils claw

And having your gun out 90% of the time

Devils claw is very safe for melee

It probably hits the least hard out of all the melee weapons but it cleaves and still has a way to fight armor in a pinch

[hollow ibex]

That's horrible advice

[unreal nova]

Yes, but you will pick it up easily if you plan to path survivalist anyway.

[hollow ibex]

Vet needs a capable melee

Ie not dclaw

[soft jewel]

I think rn on my vet I just have the axe

[sleek garden]

devils claw is perfectly usable on everything but havoc

Very capable

[soft jewel]

The learning curve is a struggle just because I got so used to being a tank

[sleek garden]

You might just actually have to remember how to play the game because you got bored of duelling sword

[sleek garden]

True

Ogryn people often report getting their head clobbered a lot

[unreal nova]

Axe might be a bad idea since it requires heavy investment for vet to work.

[sleek garden]

It's the stun

Axe is good on low levels because nobody has any decent armor penetration

[soft jewel]

Even as Zealot it's going smoothly going from ogryn

[unreal nova]

Is good when you hit 30, before it's... well...

[sleek garden]

A single crusher and you're going to be the king

Bec your axe cracks armor

[soft jewel]

I tried Psycher and immediately deleted the character

[sleek garden]

he's levelling up, he won't keep the axe

It will be perfectly fine in low levels

[unreal nova]

I mean it in general. CAxe is slow.

You want investment in bot right for it.

[sleek garden]

He said axe

[soft jewel]

I tried devils Claw and struggled hard

[sleek garden]

Why do you think so

[unreal nova]

Tacaxe is probs just a bad idea in general, also bad for cara anyway.

[sleek garden]

Were you getting hit a lot

[sleek garden]

Bad at carapace? Opinion ignored

[unreal nova]

Unless you understand it and can tryhard...

I won't suggest tacaxe.

[tropic notch]

[loud belfry]

taxe best weapon. not so sure about carapace performance at least on zealot but it's fun ah

[sleek garden]

Dog thankful for jesus

[unreal nova]

Well, if you only count crits to weakspot, you can just use knoife then.

[tropic notch]

Tac axe suffers on vet but it’s usable

[soft jewel]

I think just how weak it felt, but it could just be because I went from the other classes

[tropic notch]

Tac axe and dcalw are similar

[soft jewel]

On my Zealot I'm using assault chainsword and Ogryn is a power maul

[tropic notch]

They both suck at Cara and unyielding but are pretty good at everything else

[tall torrent]

ogryn is easiest to start but has a considerable skill requirement jump later on
zealot is easy to start and stays relatively consistent
veteran is harder to pick up (worse base stats, ranged combat is weakspot dependent)

[tropic notch]

Vet is a challenge leveling up

[soft jewel]

Ogryn is where I started around launch on Xbox. I got to like lvl 6 then dropped the game until recently

[tropic notch]

Vets good he’s pretty well rounded

[tall torrent]

probably start on ogryn? u have a wider margin of error as a beginner with ogryn

it's not until u get to challenging content later on where u have to rly hammer down the basics that ogryn's skill requirement spikes

[tropic notch]

Truth nukes from path

[soft jewel]

I've got my ogryn to lvl 23 now, just kinda branching off to try the other classes

Except for Psycher

[tropic notch]

Melee psyker my beloved

[tall torrent]

FGS has the lowest dodge distance in the game by a significant margin

[unreal nova]

Probably too spicy for most people. Especially if they just came from Oggy and Zealot, lul.

[tropic notch]

You can use other weapons

[tall torrent]

u said truth nuke so

[tropic notch]

Ok true I did

Even though he’s mean he’s right

[loud belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/goog-nukes-gif-1631316569746026002

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/david-hasselhoff-true-truth-nuke-spongebob-movie-gif-10152461791604628524

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/true-petrisca-dropping-trues-true-gifs-gif-14652072199497274958

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent im starting to get annoyed not one shotting with the Rashad

I’m finally about to put on unarmored

Does that hit any dreg gunner or shot gunner bp?

Aren’t they unarmored as well?

[tall torrent]

hard to reach 1 hit vs them with rashad

[tropic notch]

I see

Is zealots Rashad the same way?

[tall torrent]

cope with power sword VI u shall

[tall torrent]

mostly

[tropic notch]

[tropic notch]

Unarmored and elites?

[split grove]

Whats veterans best shovel

[tropic notch]

Mk1

Uncanny decimator

[tall torrent]

depends on ur keystone

[tropic notch]

Peity

[tall torrent]

unarmored + carapace prob

[tropic notch]

I’m trying to ween myself off of ij

[split grove]

Mk1 combos?

[tall torrent]

there're only 2 kinds of people that play rashad with piety

[tropic notch]

Watch he’s gonna say noobs

[tall torrent]

1. the ones that don't understand how rashad works
2. the ones that really want to speedrun boss kills

[tall torrent]

push atk for single target

[tropic notch]

Yeah I like it because I drop purge the unclean

[tall torrent]

heavy atk for dense horde

[lusty ether]

press attack a lot, for lots of hits

it's a pretty complicated weapon

[split grove]

Am i gonna miss rashad if i try this shovel

[tropic notch]

I do have a ij build for it

[tall torrent]

yes

[split grove]

[lusty ether]

shovel is nice

it's just spammy fun

[tame lodge]

Well it's Rashad

[tropic notch]

Rashad you can really do anything

[split grove]

Pls buff everything

[tall torrent]

hell yea

but srsly majority of things need buffs

some things need nerfs

[split grove]

Ye

Nerfs idc just buff all the shitters

[slow spade]

pre-nerf pinning fire and shredder pistol UwU

[strange crow]

Is ogryn rly that easy to play to compared to the others? I had always thought Zealot was that but idrk

[stuck gorge]

ogryn has so much toughness dmg reduction nodes and he gains minimum 5% toughness back per swing

[hollow ibex]

After the buffs, absolutely

[strange crow]

Yeah yeah I def believed those two (ogryn and zealot) were the easiest two to play but I wasn't sure which one was easiest

And yeah of all stupid players on auric maelstroms it seems ogryns are the class the majority plays

[stuck gorge]

i got too used to ogryn just not dying it was hard to swap back to squishy afterward lol

[soft jewel]

Ogryn definitely feels easiest rn

[hollow ibex]

Zealot can also be very durable tbf

But I think ogryns the easiest overall still

Especially if you build for durability

[strange crow]

Also I'm curious, what would you call "challenging content"? Damnation, auric maelstrom, HAVOC?

[tall torrent]

High intensity shock troop gauntlet damnation and above

[strange crow]

Ok ok thank u

So if hi intensity stg is abt where I'm playing I should my friend choose zealot or ogryn? Idk what would help him learn the game the fastest

[soft jewel]

I'm a big fashion person for games so Zealot and Vet are ones I try to play cause cool outfits. Ogryn I love gameplay but they are kinda lacking

[tall torrent]

is he just picking up the game or he's been playing for a while (<50hrs of playtime)

[strange crow]

Just picked up the game lol

Like has not hopped on yet