veteran-class

[unreal nova]

You can and can move if you keep doing it. Just not everyone can upkeep it that way so a chore.

[atomic void]

ogryn nades are obscene
if u have 3 oggies throwing frags or boxes the mission is gonna be ez pz

[sleek garden]

It's quite fun to magdump infantry autos at head level into horde before they reach you

People complain about ammo usage but they don't notice mid event

[faint beacon]

I still want MMF to be a skill check keystone if it ever gets reworked

[pseudo fiber]

Quick time event

[unreal nova]

So you want 10% chance to restore 'nades and 1% chance to restore 1 'nade too ppl near?

[sleek garden]

Marksmans focus lets me one shot flamers to the head without +maniac

[faint beacon]

Straight up dnc I want to see it reward for hitting heads and punish for missing not fucking playing the game (pressing W)

[sleek garden]

It's not leaving my kit

[sleek garden]

It's so forgiving though

[unreal nova]

I rather just drop a 'nade heh.

[gilded wraith]

New ogryn influence on meta... you get an earful if you don't run field improv for them. Or if you do run field improv and have the audacity to take an ammo crate use for bullets.

[sleek garden]

And it takes no time to get stacks up with the proper weapons

[faint beacon]

If you’re using Camo and doing a bad habit of shooting melee chaffe to keep stacks up

Yes it is

[atomic void]

never seen this in EU

where do u guys run into all the toxic people lol

[tame lodge]

Not going to fly
Field improv is very situational

[unreal nova]

Vet is just an ammo dispenser now.

[sleek garden]

when you have 56 rounds in an infantry autogun expending 3 shots should not be an issue

and nobody uses camo unless you're using a bolter

[tame lodge]

And not every build can afford FI

[faint beacon]

Now consider the Vigils

[unreal nova]

SEA has some.

[faint beacon]

Also I literally run Camo and Tunnel because it gives me insane Toughness and Stamina value

[unreal nova]

Been in some EU games with the same.

[sleek garden]

I always use tunnel vision

[atomic void]

i usually play late so people dont even talk in voice at all lol

[unreal nova]

Though might not just be oggies.

[sleek garden]

But I struggle because I only use it with smoke as my nade

I'm not using ghost on it

[gilded wraith]

There's a cranky reddit post on doing your part and playing meta. Ironically vet is expected to take 4 talents for the team, while every other class has at max 1 team talent.

[atomic void]

i bet the post is downvoted to oblivion lol

[sleek garden]

Vet can take whatever they want as long as specials are killed before they become a problem

[faint beacon]

O4B + CaB being buffed via tunnel

[sleek garden]

That's how I see it

[atomic void]

these ranting posts are usually just someone being skill issued

[sleek garden]

especially for vigilant autogun why not take exhilarating takedown instead

[unreal nova]

4?

[sleek garden]

It also gives you toughness damage reduction

[hollow ibex]

this patch reminds me of how much i fucking hate lugger teammates

[faint beacon]

O4B is giving me toughness from everything

Frags, Melee, Shooting

I’m not passing on that

[hollow ibex]

O4B my beloved

[unreal nova]

Survivalist, VoC+VoC gold, field improv and?

[sleek garden]

I can pass on it if my teammates are around

Which is all the time

I also take confirmed kill though

[unreal nova]

Cos the last one require shooting into hordes.

[sleek garden]

confirmed kill+exhilarating takedown=a massive amount of toughness regen for shooting a trapper in the head

[gilded wraith]

@unreal nova Born Leader, Field Improv, Survivalist, Focus Target

[sleek garden]

as well as tunnel vision

[faint beacon]

Point tax that’s also the reason I don’t take ET

I’d rather just path down O4B and pick up the more helpful stuff at the bottom

[atomic void]

unless someone is playing havoc there should be 0 complaints about other people's builds, all the classes are well rounded enough to survivie without minmaxing with others

[sleek garden]

Though if I was doing an infiltrator build yeah I'd take out for blood

Normally I stick to the left side tree nearly all the way

[unreal nova]

They get 2 out of 4 then. I'll make a more babysitter build if they pay me $7 an hour.

[faint beacon]

If you can’t think of anything

Just path down O4B first

Literally the best QOL toughness talent for Vet

[gilded wraith]

Agreed.

[unreal nova]

Well, 3 out of 5.

VoC gold toughness.

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-invincible-look-what-they-need-to-mimic-a-fraction-of-our-power-gif-25672186

[faint beacon]

O4B also gets buffed via Tunnel btw

Literally popping a Walker in the head or meleeing it at 10 stacks is going to give you stupid toughness return

[gilded wraith]

Born Leader is funny. Our group competes to see who takes the least damage in a run. I always see if the other vet is running it before I make my decision.

[faint beacon]

Also buffs CaB

So literally sitting still gives you better toughness Lmao

[unreal nova]

I would run it if we have more points though.

We don't so...

[gilded wraith]

Honestly, most of the classes have adequate toughness generation now.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-gif-14446214926464198716

[unreal nova]

I already can't afford Bistol breakpoint nodes.

[tame lodge]

Counter fire build coming up

[faint beacon]

Killzone and CaB with Counter Fire Exec on Vigil

I duo’d with Ainz

And shut down a LOT of specials and elites

Bugged I-II

So we had full HP bosses

We didn’t go down once

[gilded wraith]

Oh, the ranged stagger influence in mortis is hilarious. You can push chaos and pogryn the length of the map.

[faint beacon]

We had close calls but that’s about it

[hollow ibex]

wat.

it does?

[faint beacon]

He’s admitted not huge

[fervent quest]

Tunnel?

[unreal nova]

I saw someone just shooting bosses off the map.

Near the Valkyrie.

Unless BoN.

Anti-fun fatso.

[faint beacon]

Marksmen focus node

Tunnel Vision

[gilded wraith]

Ran it with a vraks 5 and no ammo on crit and had a wonderful time.

[faint beacon]

5% toughness increased from gain per stack (iirc it’s multiplactive so it’s not insane sadly) and 10% stamina gained on kill with stacks

[fervent quest]

This channel is very much pushing me to join the o4b cult

[faint beacon]

Well I mean if you’re running shredders

And or a bleed melee

Your bleed kills give you O4B toughness

It’s just the best to choose if you don’t see yourself leaning more into shooting or special/elite focus

[hollow ibex]

you should, esp if you're running something like rashad or powersword

[unreal nova]

O4B melee vet yesyes.

Hahayes knoifeknoifeknoife.

[tame lodge]

It good

[still igloo]

What does 'O4B' mean?

[unreal nova]

Out for Blood.

Right right node.

Like from the start of the tree.

[normal bay]

It doesn't sound like much on paper but it adds up fast

[hollow ibex]

it's just 40% toughness restore on swinging your rashad once

[unreal nova]

Or randomly getting full toughness from a 'nade.

[still igloo]

ty

[tropic notch]

They should give vet confident strike it would be funny

Also I do like CaB vet survivability has sky rocketed

[faint beacon]

Well it’s literally

Get rewarded for actively avoiding getting tagged in melee and taking cover

Aka what you should be doing anyways

[hollow ibex]

it's nice that vet has a source of toughness regen now that isn't "kill things"

[craggy goblet]

i uh still go kamikaze

[hollow ibex]

that's fine, just remember to dodge and push

[craggy goblet]

100%

i need to learn how to incorporate push more

i’m so used to zealot just….deleting everything that my melee game i think is too reckless

[faint beacon]

Wait till dodges are becoming bad

[craggy goblet]

as far as being vet

[faint beacon]

Push

Dodges should reset

Repeat

[hollow ibex]

pretty much

[craggy goblet]

i’ll give it a try next time i play

thx

[faint beacon]

That or if you’re actively surrounded

[craggy goblet]

this

i only do it when i’m surrounded

[faint beacon]

Like I mean you can’t escape levels of surrounded

Pushing usually opens up small crevices you can squeeze through

Unless it’s elites or mixed hordes

Then you’re fucked lmao

[craggy goblet]

or panick and press grenades or ability

[tropic notch]

With playing knife or tac axe if you don’t know how to push they’ll make you learn

[umbral scaffold]

Visualize yourself squeezing a herd of sheep @craggy goblet

Your shove enemies into a big circle while your going clockwise or ccw and throwing in the attacks here and there

I feel allot of vermintide 2 folks know what I mean cause ratatata

https://tenor.com/view/skaven-cheiften-skaven-cheiften-guitar-rat-gif-24492026

[craggy goblet]

good visualization

i, unfortunately, so far have only been dodging and being unga bunga with powersword and VoC

and the occasional shove to stab

[umbral scaffold]

Ha

Fair

[craggy goblet]

haven’t been too punished yet as long as my dodging is on point

but def shoving will help

[atomic void]

you'll get punished in higher diffs 100%
levels 1 to 4 dont teach you the game proper sadly

better get used to it

[craggy goblet]

my first class was zealot tho, i was so used to just mowing down everything

[craggy goblet]

yeah, the highest i’ve played so far was damnation

[trim steppe]

Yeah the melee dance is to constantly be swinging while weaving in dodges constantly, and when you run out, block and push which will give you a moment where you don't need to dodge and your dodges will refill

But blocking and pushing takes stamina so you don't want to do it a lot or you run out of stamina and then get your ass whooped

[regal belfry]

how good is heavy sword

[dry cloak]

very good

[dry cloak]

only weakness is carapace

[sharp epoch]

lets just say its not used much in high difficulties

[dry cloak]

because people flock to god damned ds4

[sharp epoch]

well in harder difficulties the problems you need melee for is not horde its the ragers and crushers/bulwarks

[full moth]

guys what is the best inf lasgun today?

[sharp epoch]

most ammo efficient is the infantry lasguns

[full moth]

what mark?

[sharp epoch]

12

[regal belfry]

hope they give heavy sword one day uncanny strike

[sharp epoch]

But, it has low dps overall

[radiant adder]

Which shock maul we like and why?

[unreal nova]

Is like asking if ppl like the Paul.

[full moth]

i like it on zealot in melee build for fast attacks. its better then crusher

[faint beacon]

I mean it “does” it’s just abysmal dog shit and hard to up keep

Bladed Momentum

[dry cloak]

and hs is good against all

[tame lodge]

2b

[dry cloak]

most say mk7

[tame lodge]

Not 9 though

[faint beacon]

White bread las gun (whichever one is green)

[tame lodge]

Never 9

[dry cloak]

mk7

[faint beacon]

Power creeped into uselessness

[quartz adder]

I liked the paul before the buff

its how i killed hardmode karnak twins when they released

[unreal nova]

Is exactly like that. There are people who like it, but they are not many and they are mostly Zealots.

[quartz adder]

ogryn

[unreal nova]

Talking about the Smaul.

[quartz adder]

im a big lad enjoyer

[tough vigil]

"You're killing me Smauls"

[unreal nova]

True, but they asked about the Shock Maul. It's not really something people use, especially not for vet.

[quartz adder]

grut me ‘en

[unreal nova]

Is like the Paul in sense. just much weaker. Funny tazer special though vs slow activation.

[wind inlet]

what stats do i go low on for spearhead and power sword

[hollow ibex]

Check pins

[ancient path]

we still just playing recon las and plasma with weapon spec + shout these days

?

[hollow ibex]

Nah

Vet has a bunch of fun and dumb builds

If you're not doing havoc

[ancient path]

my fav fun and dumb is grenade spam bolt pistol

but idk ive just been having fun holding lmb as recon last

[hollow ibex]

Granted we're basically completely overshadowed by ogryn but that's just life

[ancient path]

🙃

fatshark after buffing and revamping everyone.
"i think we're forgetting something."
"nah i dont think so"
cut to veterans being mugged by heretics

its kinda funny how i used to be a huge fan of autoguns but after doing recon las for a lil bit, its weird playing autoguns and not holding lmb for 3 minutes

and dealing with recoil

[faint beacon]

I think they forgot about the weapons vets

Another year another no new weapons

[hollow ibex]

Surely next patch

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[tame lodge]

Well
Bolter likes Exec more than VoC

[faint beacon]

Exec is so close to greatness I’m ngl

[hollow ibex]

Exec eating good this patch NGL

[ancient path]

bolter is the only weapon ill use exec on lol.

[hollow ibex]

Heresy

[faint beacon]

They don’t know about MMF vigils

With Killzone

Shutting down Auric Maels lmao

Shit is so good

I seriously need to stress test it in Havoc

[hollow ibex]

Are you just on your gun 90 percent of the match?

[faint beacon]

No

Probably like 50-50

[hollow ibex]

You prob could main gun with vigil

The ammo efficiency is there

[faint beacon]

When I’m usually like 70 melee 30 gun

See it feels wrong

[hollow ibex]

Yeah fair

I do like playing shoot heavy builds sometimes though

[faint beacon]

On Havoc idgaf I’m doing anything I can to win

[hollow ibex]

Yeah test it and lmk how the build fairs in havoc

[full moth]

what is MMF vigils?

[tame lodge]

Marksman Focus with Vigilant Autogun

[full moth]

ty

[tall torrent]

8s CD is pretty bad

[frank ether]

now I wanna fit serrated blade into my exe-ws build

but its so fucked on pathing

[grand perch]

literally 1984

[tall torrent]

It’s not worth

2 stacks of bleed is ass

[hollow ibex]

Good on lacerate knife but that's about it

[frank ether]

I wanted to do mercy killer knife for vanity sake but I don't think its worth making a clown build

I'm really bored of voc

so I made one infiltrate smoke meme build with mercy killer

and one exe-ws with a different knife

[tall torrent]

Mercy killer is not strong enough to spec into serrated blade

[frank ether]

mercy-uncanny was what I've used ages ago while I was binging vet non stop

I think its a blessing that only has a use case for veteran

[tall torrent]

Bleed or crit are still better

[frank ether]

so its less about is this strong and more about ''eh this is the only use case for these two things''

I did a crit on exe build

[hollow ibex]

Try a bleed maxing build

Lacerate knife

Flechette DB

Shredders

With infil so you have four nades

Very fun

[faint beacon]

I’ve honestly yet to notice it’s downsides as harshly even in my I-II Duo with Ainz

I wouldn’t mind it’s time being decreased to 5 seconds

[tall torrent]

Killzone as a breakpoint tool is ass
Killzone as a flat dps boost is ok at best

I think both of those talents are buffed in the right direction but need more

[faint beacon]

How I feel also they’re being pushed in the right direction

[tall torrent]

Catch a Breath
5% to 8% toughness/s
Only deactivate on health/toughness damage
Instant reactivate on successful dodge
Deactivation 5s to 8s

Killzone
Only deactivate on health/toughness damage
Instant reactivate on successful dodge

[faint beacon]

But I think it’s more of a power creep in general

[tall torrent]

If every conversation about buffs is “muh power creep” there’ll never be enough progress

[tame lodge]

Dodge enjoyers when I pull up with my smite build

[tall torrent]

Vet doesn’t get cucked by smite as much as zealot

[tame lodge]

Not yet

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-hart-really-what-you-say-sideeye-wtf-gif-4842136059944732480

[tall torrent]

CaB and KZ still have base deactivation duration so it’s not as bad

[tame lodge]

Fair enough

[grand perch]

why does everyone keep forgetting you can shove bosses off ledges since new havoc dropped??

i ping like a madman, but no one pulls bosses to ledges anymore

[narrow frost]

They forgor

[balmy flume]

Or its also a somewhat risky maneuvre

[frank ether]

feels kinda counter intuitive to invest that much

[balmy flume]

Best if you have Shout Vet and Relic Zealot working in conjunction

[frank ether]

bleed can be busted though

[balmy flume]

To push bosses off

[unreal nova]

2 books.

[hollow ibex]

Wdym. It's the strongest nade. And thematically fits a bleedmaxxing build perfectly.

[unique orchid]

what do you guys like on your Bistols

[unreal nova]

Lethal Prox/Puncture.

[craggy goblet]

ye

shreds

[red robin]

perks for bleed out breakpoints?

[hollow ibex]

Yeah puncture helps with breakpoints

[regal belfry]

is it just me or do chain weapons feel meh in this game beside the evicerator

[tall torrent]

They’re generally meh

[unique orchid]

i like em

luv me chainsword

[regal belfry]

i use power sword, duel sword, combat knife and caxe most

hsword, smaul and shovel are ok for my taste

[hollow ibex]

Cadia fell because of chainswords

[regal belfry]

they need a rework especially that special

[unique orchid]

i like the special, good against stuff you can't usually do much to, also good for ragers

[regal belfry]

saw motion stuck in enemy sure but make it so it makes with every tick a lot of damage and not burst at the end

same damage only split upon multiple hits

less risk but same reward

could be even faster by certain enemies

[hollow ibex]

Ultimately it's dumb that you have to choose between an acceptable normal weapon or an acceptable chain weapon

It really makes those weapons suck

[regal belfry]

psword is only really good with pcycler

[balmy flume]

But given how you can unlock that mostly easily nowadays…

It’s kind of a no brainer

Unless they update PSword to be in line with other Power Weapons.

Well, one other power weapon, the relic blade.

[regal belfry]

powermaul, crusher, thunderhammer?

[hollow ibex]

Fair tax for a very powerful weapon tbh

[grand perch]

someone applied to our 30 havoc with a shredder pistol, complete with longshot talent equipped

i dont even

[regal belfry]

eww shredder

[grand perch]

with longshot and ET in addition to going down another route through middle

[hollow ibex]

Hey new shredder is pretty good

It got the glow up it needed

[regal belfry]

ehh can it compete with a brace autogun or vraks mk5

[tall torrent]

Braced autogun yes
Vraks V, no, but can be close

It deals with maniac a lot better than braced autoguns

[regal belfry]

how is the ammo economy?

[tall torrent]

Vs flak it’s still bad

[tall torrent]

“Don’t shoot more than u need to”

Which is the same for braced autogun VIII for the most part

VIII is its direct competitor

IV and II are slower

Don’t have as good move speed or sprint to fire

[hollow ibex]

Braced has better ammo economy tbh

Graia braced has surprisingly good ammo economy

SAP's ammo economy is still mid

But shredding bosses with a dinky little pistol doesn't get old

[faint beacon]

Added the fact SAP has innate Run N’ Gun on it

[regal belfry]

i preffer more often more precise guns for bombers and snipers

[hollow ibex]

It's precise enough if you run ES

[lusty ether]

SAP?

I'm bad at acronyms

oh the stub pistol

got there in the end

[narrow frost]

Shredder auto pistol

[junior grail]

Imagine if we got Stub Pistols and they end up being M1911s and Deagles

[iron marten]

Trusty 1911 in 40k

[lusty ether]

Something between the laspistol and the revolver would be relatively neat

guess that includes the bolt pistol

kinda feels like that doesn't count

[ancient path]

i'm not good enough to rock exec on anything else in aurics

[hollow ibex]

With the CAB changes no better time to learn

[ancient path]

cab?

[warm schooner]

catch a breath

[unreal nova]

Catch a Breath.

[ancient path]

o

did they change it

oh neat

whats the shredder autopistol setup these days

[unreal nova]

Just don't get hit or block in melee and you get regen.

In firefights, it's really good.

[ancient path]

neato

[hollow ibex]

Either run with WS as a quick shot weapon

Or go full meme with ES and FT or MF

[ancient path]

yeee

blessings still in the pin?

[hollow ibex]

Yeah should be right

Though for meme I run calvacade and blazing

Because I want to shred bosses with my dinky pistol

[ancient path]

es is exe stance but whats FT and MF?

focus target and marksman focus?

marksman w/ shredder seems kinda funny lol.

[hollow ibex]

Yup exactly

[barren nimbus]

I genuinely hate lasgunners with a furious passion. I’m flaming an oncoming horde down next to my veteran who’s just hipfiring a lasgun into nothing, and a bomber flies through and kills him and blows me up

[ancient path]

shredder pistol is kinda funny

but i think i prefer braced auto guns

its like the same playstyle

[uncut pebble]

Not the gun's fault.

[orchid hemlock]

Recon las probably is one of the "meta" guns ATM

[uncut pebble]

There's just an overwhelming amount of people that suck at this game lmao.

[barren nimbus]

I’ve never seen a lasgunner not be completely terrible in havoc

[faint beacon]

"meta"

[barren nimbus]

The one decent one I saw pre update he ran the damage aura and we all just ran out of ammo and died anyways

[faint beacon]

It is its just

eh

white bread gun

boring to use

[orchid hemlock]

You play recon because it's "meta", I play recon because AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[faint beacon]

I play the vigils thank you very much

[orchid hemlock]

Put me in coach

I'll change your worldview

[faint beacon]

The overwhelming power that is

Thunderous SKC Batter Shovel on Ogryn

[hollow ibex]

Tbf the gun encourages braindead playstyles. It turns perfectly ok vets into staffkers.

[orchid hemlock]

I literally got true survivor on a PUB lvl 40 using a recon las, and I doubled both the psykers damage

I am the recon psycho of this server

[uncut pebble]

That's like saying eviscerators encourage braindead zealouts because they go brrrrr when you press your special key.

[faint beacon]

the extremely rare vet who uses it sparingly

[uncut pebble]

The weapon is not the issue.

The player is.

[faint beacon]

Fun Fact

you can infact use the recon and not absorb ammo packs constantly

crazy fact I know

I've done it a lot

[uncut pebble]

I will find my 1m damage h40 psyker board.

(I'm joking)

[uncut pebble]

It's funnier to hoover all the ammo and watch players that don't know how to melee weep.

[orchid hemlock]

this was pus harden and blight

[hollow ibex]

Nah. Evis doesn't have anywhere near the same effect

[faint beacon]

Peak is in rotation btw

[uncut pebble]

Pus hardened cranial, Raven had a purg staff, I was gunker with smite.

[orchid hemlock]

me getting on gunlugger ogryn:

[faint beacon]

FULL MONSTRO BUG 🗣️

Actually fucking peak

[orchid hemlock]

BODY PARTS INCOMING

[faint beacon]

Exec Stance Vigil build running MMF keystone actually deleting BONs

the moment they even remotely turn their back to me

[uncut pebble]

Raven had a staff, shepherd was a voc bot with bistol and I literally did his job for him.

Of course I'm gonna have the most ammo taken lol.

[uncut pebble]

I had to share with one person, and it was tinderbox, and I had to keep telling them not to puff m1 because it does nothing.

"You are wasting ammo, please don't m1 puff."

I had to ctrl + c, ctrl + v that over and over again.

[barren nimbus]

I do feel like survivalist is kind of weak at this point. Veteran went from mandatory to kind of useless

But thats also cause ogryn is just veteran on training wheels

[uncut pebble]

That's definitely a take.

[tall torrent]

survivalist is not weak

[uncut pebble]

Two takes, even.

Takes that exist.

[tall torrent]

vet just has fewest ways of being top tier

[barren nimbus]

Doesn’t it take two procs to get one plasma shot back

[narrow frost]

Vet is the least broken

[uncut pebble]

That's an issue of plasma, not the aura.

[barren nimbus]

I think it takes like 3 procs to give an ogryn a rumbler round back

[uncut pebble]

No.

Not how that aura works.

[barren nimbus]

How does it work. I just noticed it takes forever to resupply ogryns

[tall torrent]

it keeps integers

[stuck gorge]

it gives 1% ammo back and always at least gives 1 shot

[barren nimbus]

It definitely does not give 1 rumbler shot back every time

[uncut pebble]

It does.

[stuck gorge]

are you actually in coherency?

[uncut pebble]

If 1% of your reserve is less than 1 shot, it automatically becomes 1.

[barren nimbus]

Maybe they weren’t, is it 8m?

[tall torrent]

no

[uncut pebble]

Or at least that's how the math checks out on paper.

[narrow frost]

Aura explained there

[narrow frost]

that

[barren nimbus]

So it does in fact take like 2-4 procs per rumbler round?

It has 28 shots

[tall torrent]

each proc is 0.27 ammo

[barren nimbus]

Figured

[tall torrent]

so it's not quite 1 ammo per 4 procs

[barren nimbus]

I do go back and fourth on the usual zealot build being at all useful right now with a usual 2 ogryn comp. having someone kill ranged elites and hand out 50 toughness is pretty strong but it requires a lot of skill compared to just being a moron and pressing chorus for insane value. That and flamer is still really good

I don’t think veteran is that far off, but it’s definitely pretty stale

[tall torrent]

3 good melee weapons
3 good ranged weapons

1 good ability

[barren nimbus]

I accidentally ran executioner stance a few days ago and it’s insane how bad veteran is without shout

At least make it reload your weapon automatically and give you toughness like ogryns does lmao

[hollow ibex]

ES can still be good

esp with the new and improved CAB

everything about vet just requires more work and player skill compared to the other classes, to achieve the same results

[narrow frost]

Vet does not need shout to compete with others

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1274493927306559559/1357158899274219631/image.png?ex=67f081b8&is=67ef3038&hm=44bb4296f33b5f7ae840321a30a1f97fe31e11135e59635f6698c404cd211f44&

Gale was running vigilant auto gun and exstance

[hollow ibex]

ES op, pls nerf

[barren nimbus]

Exe stance can be strong but you need help. the braced autogun with exe stance is almost god tier

[uncut pebble]

You don't need help with exe stance, you just need to not be a voc bot.

[barren nimbus]

You will die to literally 3 zombie melee hits without golden toughness

[narrow frost]

have you tried dodging?

its free

and running iron will

[formal ice]

Strongest pysker ever:

[tall torrent]

nah lol

[unreal nova]

Backstabs with no toughness, pretty sure what he meant.

[barren nimbus]

I literally died today coming out of a slide to two zombies full toughness and no health

[narrow frost]

2 poxwalkers no matter the difficulty cant 1 shot you

[barren nimbus]

From behind, I didn’t know enemies could backstab

[narrow frost]

there is no damage difference where an enemy attacks you

[barren nimbus]

Do the armoured zombies deal more damage

Poxwalkers are the civilians

[craggy goblet]

melee can "pierce" toughness if its not full

[tame lodge]

Should've dodged

https://tenor.com/view/champagne-gif-13068343437305960060

[narrow frost]

horde left, bruisers right

bruisers deal more damage

[faint beacon]

They're also dickheads that decide to shoot you sometimes

Stalkers/Shooters

[barren nimbus]

I swear those guys are worse than gunners

[hallow drift]

Havoc Stalkers after a long day of ending runs 🚬

https://tenor.com/view/glockinator-burst-fire-gif-10139191522598938132

[grand perch]

you've met Dickon bot, now meet...

[polar charm]

Unlike in Vermintide, total power of your curios doesnt increase dmg right?

[calm shard]

nope

[grand perch]

only stam curios dont give the full +3 stamina if they have below 410 total power

[swift bear]

Kinda proud of this one, I haven't played veteran in forever

[sharp epoch]

finally finished the h40

[gritty mural]

is havoc 40 any different in terms of difficulty from something like 35?

[sharp epoch]

It seems like it got harder but not sure exactly

[polar charm]

This is a bug, right?

[drowsy halo]

Close the menu and then go back into it, I’ve had it happen before and it consistently worked for me

[polar charm]

Thank you! Worked.

[keen cipher]

what are the recomended mele weapon these days?

[native robin]

Which class?

Oh wait, I'm in veteran chat lmao

Ds4 is still the meta

[narrow frost]

Check pins

Every weapon is viable outside high havoc, so try using what you like

[keen cipher]

are they up to date?

[narrow frost]

Yes

[keen cipher]

and for havoc 20 +?

[narrow frost]

I think path has a tier list at the bottom

[narrow frost]

No havoc in pinned guide

[keen cipher]

Thanks, the guide is good

[grand perch]

ds4, powersword, rashad with some melee talent investment are all top still

[dry cloak]

Antax caxe is good so is the heavy sword

[tall torrent]

On veteran
Power sword VI
Combat axe III
Duelling sword IV
Combat blade VI
Heavy sword IX

[stray rain]

Any recommended builds for vet on havoc ?

[tame lodge]

Yeah
Pick other classes

It's probably
Grenadier
Recon keystoneless
Melee oriented

[unreal nova]

Ammo Dispenser.

[tame lodge]

I also think that Ammo Dispenser isn't necessary as well

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hyppy-gif-9091438043443803258

Simply stack +400% melee on Oggy

Or pzzt swing swing on Zealot

Or bfwooosh HAHAHAHA on psyker

https://tenor.com/view/steamhappy-meme-steam-tg-bratishkin-gif-274347585508037432

[unreal nova]

Is more a joke. Like, what does a vet bring that the other 3 don't do better or otherwise?

Free ammo in a limited ammo situation.

[tall torrent]

Ogryn doesn’t get +400+% (that would be x500+%), ogryn gets x400+%

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/niculau-nicolas-cage-trip-pedro-pascal-movie-movie-trip-gif-10473773258249426452

Still unbelievably huge buff

[atomic void]

this is good lmao

[normal bay]

Mostly to make up for Ogryns largely dogshit base weapons lol

[scenic bronze]

Haven't been here for a year, have enemy bullets been buffed getting downed in quarter second seems new

[normal bay]

Ranged enemies where buffed at some point, yes. Not sure when

[swift horizon]

havoc patch

[normal bay]

Rumours that I went to low Int Malice with a maxed out delling sword and double barrel are baseless and quite frankly insulting 😏

[sleek garden]

30 round headshot infantry lasgun, there is a need for shooter/specialist clearing

[tame lodge]

They got buffed as well though

[faint beacon]

dont forget the 50 state mandated psyker buffs in the ogryn based update

[unreal nova]

Sure we believe you.

[normal bay]

Not the finesse multipliers, at least overall.

Give the equivalent of an Ogryn weapon to another class and no one would use it, it would feel terrible

[tame lodge]

It's aight
Oggy not finesse oriented anyways

That's why the raw +melee

[unreal nova]

A Zealot can do just that. Dodge and return hyperaccurate fire. Or just big guy with gun.

Or well, smite.

[sleek garden]

The zealot has to reload the revolver or whatever

the veteran can mow down a gunner line

I only see zealots use bolt pistol now

[normal bay]

Exactly, just highlighting why we have a billion damage bonus throughout the tree

[tame lodge]

It doesn't warrant "dogshit" though

[unreal nova]

I saw some that use bolter, recon and autoguns. 30+

Not counting flamer because well, is flamer.

If you know why purga is good, same thing.

[fervent quest]

I'm so conflicted with Bolter blessings. I'm assuming Unyielding and Maniac for perks?

[fervent quest]

I got those entirely by accident yesterday on Damnation. I was astounded since I wasn't even trying for it. Thanks 200+ toughness and VoC

[normal bay]

I play too sloppily aggressively for such things

[heavy rover]

I got On Overwatch unintentionally on havoc 40

[unreal nova]

GF got it at lvl 3 on malice. First real vet run.

As shovel only melee vet bssically.

What even is VoC?

[tame lodge]

Hold on hold on

Lucky Streak is undefined 50% CRIT damage

Does that mean melee........

[normal bay]

Ogryn also has poor crit chance and modifiers lol

[tame lodge]

Not what I'm getting at atm

[normal bay]

There are some exceptions, like the heavy stubbers and mk VI ripper

[tame lodge]

I could be playing smackdown perfect Strike Bully Club if lucky Streak works for melee

[normal bay]

What have you been seeing?

Because I hit some crits with the mk1 club with that perk the other night and it was going from 8-900 to 1-1.1k on a crusher

[tame lodge]

I was getting at Bully Club perfect strike memes

[normal bay]

[tame lodge]

Ok with an infectious zeal zealot I could get 50 CRIT chance lightweight

With Bashers sweeps

Skullcrusher

Soften

Hmmmm

This could be a weird meme build

[grand perch]

MAN SCREW SEFONI

15 mortis trials with exec stance bolter, only once did i get infinite ammo on ES

[torpid canyon]

It regains your white toughness bar and gives it a golden color so it won't break, aswell acting as a shout to push back enemies

[unreal nova]

I know. I just said my GF did on overwatch without it.

Just the starter shovel.

Was her first vet game that isn't tutorial.

To be fair, she plays too much VT2 so melee combat heh.

[heavy rover]

Average shovel user be like

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/sir-yes-sir-gif-9677227512883570825

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-just-following-orders-nami-emily-rudd-one-piece-i'm-just-obeying-orders-gif-15958269097224344109

[unreal nova]

Stagger everything so you are never touched.

[signal cypress]

If you insist

[sleek garden]

My favorite autogun sadly does not fare too well

[unreal nova]

Think inf, but I can't tell.

[dry cloak]

that being?

[sleek garden]

The columnus

The brown one with the cloth on the stock

In high havoc it stops one shotting scab shooters to the head

[ocean idol]

Weapon spec + agile + double shotty so fun

[dry cloak]

my man

[sleek garden]

I find it a very reliable weapon

[dry cloak]

because it is

for vraks i realy dislike the recoil

[sleek garden]

The vigilantes are nice when you crouch actually

Vraks recoil is ridiculous I really don't like guns in games where the bullets leave the cross hair

[hollow ibex]

dps on vraks is worth it

[sleek garden]

Perhaps it is better when you crouch

[dry cloak]

imo its not

[sleek garden]

But also I like slower punchier weapons

[dry cloak]

when i want dps i take agrip

[sleek garden]

Agripinaa has cleave

[hollow ibex]

the ttk is noticeably better compared to both agri and colum

[sleek garden]

I use it on rolling steel

[hollow ibex]

there's a reason why vraks is the meta pick

not agri or colum

[dry cloak]

meta is not everything

especially on normal and auric queue

[sleek garden]

I don't much pay attention to meta, people build the vraks a certain way to melt armor

But at that point I'd just take like

Bolter

[dry cloak]

also true

or revovler for that matter

[sleek garden]

Agripinaa is fun on rolling steel because when there's specialists running down the train cars at you you can just exy stance blow through the entire crowd to kill them

[hollow ibex]

it's not, but the meta tends to prefer high damage potential weapons

which is what the vraks is

[sleek garden]

It's got cleave

[hollow ibex]

if you want cleave

[sleek garden]

I don't think it's healthy that there are weapons that can destroy crushers in two seconds

[hollow ibex]

use mk xiv recon las

it has more cleave than agri

[sleek garden]

but a worse sound

[hollow ibex]

yeah if you spend 3 talent points, which is not great

[hollow ibex]

lol fair

[sleek garden]

Awesome sound tier: 1. Bolter

[dry cloak]

thunder hammer

[sleek garden]

Thunder hammer is actually balanced for it

I give it an exception

but you're gonna get yelled at for not bringing duellist duelling sword uncanny strike

[sleek garden]

2. Thunder hammer

3. Helbore echo when you fire a charged shot

Whatever that reverb thing is tickles something

[dry cloak]

pickaxes alo get a pass for being capable of oneshotting

[sleek garden]

Karsolas is a bit too good

But true

I like the branx

The pickaxes also rip off tons of enemy skin

[barren nimbus]

Thunder hammer is probably the most meta weapon in havoc right now. I finished a havoc 31 with over 500k boss Damage and top normal damage

[sleek garden]

To be honest I don't really want to sweat a ton playing a coop game so I've kinda fallen out of playing havoc regularly

Yesterday I had a goober moment in typical auric where I managed to mistime my dodge against just three scab bruisers and went down

[barren nimbus]

You just go around one shotting reapers, bulwarks and crushers. Let your team kill everything else and just cleave into hordes a little

[hollow ibex]

nah theyre insane lol

light spam with karsolas against crusher: 1450 dps

[sleek garden]

The branx has a reliable 2-3 hit combo

[hollow ibex]

not even using the proper move combo

just braindead light spam

[dry cloak]

eh i think youre missing the point here

[sleek garden]

The branx also has just literally Minecraft mining animation as its light chain

[dry cloak]

picks should be capable of oneshotting crushers because physics dont lie

[hollow ibex]

get that science bullshit out of here. this is WARHAMMER.

[dry cloak]

that face plate aint gonna survive 60+kg head flying towards it

[sleek garden]

I think combat axes should be better against carapace than duelling sword

Especially the achlys

You just stab a spike into their head over and over

A very big spike on a chunk of metal

[dry cloak]

achly caxe has antiarmor spike which actually deals fuckton of carapce damage

but flimsy SABER of all think being and all be all anti armor weapon is not good

[barren nimbus]

The idea of it is you are probably supposed to be poking in the vulnerabilities of their plate armour

[dry cloak]

sure

[barren nimbus]

But generally it’s very boring how every melee weapon and firearm is fucking terrible against carapace. Like holy shit it’s genuinely exhausting not running the dueling sword or power sword

[dry cloak]

but its better than a dedicated anti armor weapon thats bigger viarety punches holes in tanks

so they should be

power weapon are effective

[sleek garden]

I do think they're meant to be an oppressive force though

Some weapons should be effective

I don't think every weapon should be one-two shotting crushers

[barren nimbus]

It’s just boring. I was doing the mortis trials and they sent a wave 9 full fucking crusher horde, and nobody had any meta weapons to kill them at all. It took us like 8 minutes to kill the wave

[dry cloak]

i remember times when crusher pack could spell end of run

[barren nimbus]

Fix the game, make it fun, jesus

[dry cloak]

youre not asking for balance but for players to be even more op

[hollow ibex]

why did none of you take any anti-carapace solutions

regardless of the mode, you should always have something that can deal with carapace

[barren nimbus]

You should not require 2 weapons to be able to deal damage to a third of the enemies in the game

[hollow ibex]

you don't just spawn in and hope they don't send crushers lol

[barren nimbus]

Because I wanted to level a combat shotgun and chainaxe? What the fuck do you mean man

[dry cloak]

all of ogryn weapon are good against crushers

[barren nimbus]

People aren’t coordinating strats in mortis trials

[dry cloak]

chaxe is fairly capable of killing crushers

[hollow ibex]

both of those weapons can deal with carapace, if you build it right

[dry cloak]

combat shotty is icky here

chaxe sure

[hollow ibex]

yes. or any QP mission. which is why your kit should be capable of dealing with everything lmfao.

[craggy goblet]

slug rounds?

[hollow ibex]

yes

[barren nimbus]

Maybe they should just remove every weapon that bounces off carapace since they’re useless anyways

[craggy goblet]

just pair weapons that can deal with stuff they lack?

[barren nimbus]

So don’t level weapons in a game where half of the goal is to level weapons

[dry cloak]

on my main vet build i run kraks just because of mostly running weapons unable to deal with cara

[dry cloak]

no one said that

[hollow ibex]

you have 3 slots. surely ONE of them can include a weapon that can deal with carapace.

[craggy goblet]

level weapons but have a weapon that covers the weakness of the other?

[barren nimbus]

Two people said that

[atomic void]

brother half of the weapons in the game can melt armor

[craggy goblet]

we get 3 weapons?

[atomic void]

how did not a single teamamte bring anti carpace

[hollow ibex]

counting blitz

[craggy goblet]

o

makes sense

[hollow ibex]

yeah, that's pretty incredible lol

[barren nimbus]

I had 3 smite psykurs roleplaying as tech priests

[hollow ibex]

all of them really queued up thinking "i'n not going to worry about crushers, my teammates got it"

[barren nimbus]

They were all named tech priest and were all really bad

[atomic void]

your issue is playing with 3 smykers lmaoo

[sleek garden]

Your chain axe can't hurt armor?

put basic decimator on it and light spam

[hollow ibex]

i mean even smykers can deal with crushers... if they stop smiting for one second

[barren nimbus]

They did not

[atomic void]

like no offense but mortis trials is the easy fun mode of the game tbh
the game buffs you to the point where 4 bosses at once get deleted

[thorn lark]

That should be enough to stop the crusher wave long enough for your to destroy each one with the chaxe

[dry cloak]

using the special

[bleak cradle]

What kind of luck is it you wind up with three smiters?

Ouch

[dry cloak]

@diabolic that kind of luck

[bleak cradle]

Apparently

[barren nimbus]

It was cool at the start because they all looked like tech priests and it got more annoying as the mission went on

[atomic void]

u should always have 1 weapon that can deal with carpace at least anyway

[thorn lark]

That happened in my last trial and none of them stopped a fucking trapper lol

[bleak cradle]

Honestly, they probably did have EK which can deal with crushers. It sounded like they were bad/douchebags

[thorn lark]

You can light spam with the 4 and do it anyway

[atomic void]

last time i got multiple smykers i just stopped playing watched them die then left

[dry cloak]

never used the 4 only used the other one

[barren nimbus]

They were really bad, I’ve genuinely never struggled in mortis before or after. I can literally afk in most of them and do fine

They would constantly die to the overheat

[thorn lark]

T_T

[bleak cradle]

On SMITE‽

[thorn lark]

True heroes of the imperium

[barren nimbus]

Yeah

[bleak cradle]

Lol

[thorn lark]

My fg

[barren nimbus]

The best part is only one had bubble but he would die the most

[thorn lark]

That was damnation?

They probably don't know they can quell

[sleek garden]

Real heros run at the crushers with devil's claw

[native robin]

Probably thought the peril percentage was a score multiplier

[dry cloak]

if need be i can deal with crushers using DC

heh

[thorn lark]

With a taxe

[sleek garden]

tac axe is one of my favorite zealot weapons

[dry cloak]

axe is better than DC at it last time i chequed

[sleek garden]

DC is devils claw yes

[native robin]

Can't you reliably parry kill crushers with the DC?

[sleek garden]

Axes are better at armor in general

[thorn lark]

DC can parry the crushers. Taxe you have to dodge 😄

[sleek garden]

I've done it before, it takes about 5

[native robin]

Oh, thought it would be 4 at most

Then again I haven't touched DC since launch I think

[sleek garden]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1294687161869664329/Warhammer_40000__Darktide_2024-10-12_11-43-14.mp4?ex=67f14fe1&is=67effe61&hm=f68f5fc1fb1cd36c1e92fb77fa60e00f9bdcd3fe3cf62b4effa79264ca7c0ad4&

I am using the "bad" devils claw

I also messed it up once or twice in this clip

This clip is also kinda old

[sleek garden]

Devils claw at launch you needed to take like 2 stamina curios to parry a crusher

[thorn lark]

Nerf DC. Stop trivializing crushers

[sleek garden]

Fighting a mauler with a devil's claw is kinda fun actually

you're going back and forth at each other

[dry cloak]

fighting ragers with devil claw is fun

[sleek garden]

It's the closest thing you can get to an actual duel in this game other than rinda karnak

[dry cloak]

duel with captains is fun

[sleek garden]

Blocking and parrying rinda fast combo is yum

[sleek garden]

It is nearly impossible to kill a scab captain in havoc with a devil's claw sadly

it does ridiculously low damage

[dry cloak]

thats havoc

[sleek garden]

I ended up last man standing just me and a scab captain

Nonstop parrying

[thorn lark]

Havoc Thuah

[sleek garden]

I stopped to shoot a trapper and he regenerated shield to full

My teammates told me to just let him kill me

Havoc makes my favorite weapons hard to use

Savage sweep is literally unusable

[dry cloak]

same here chris

[sleek garden]

Devils claw/chain sword cannot cleave 3 targets in havoc

so it doesn't activate savage sweep

You have to use wrath

[dry cloak]

i use wrath and rampage on my dc7

[grand perch]

dear god every veteran i inspect going into high havoc has atrocious builds

longshot everywhere

several paths taken right at the start

shredder autopistol with longhsot and MF

what is wrong with these people

[sharp epoch]

just give them a chance 😂

[unreal nova]

I'm starting to think my build would be better if I would run it in there.

[grand perch]

and then you see zealots like this

[narrow frost]

sorry

was me

[grand perch]

ends at stealth skill

ainz dont take flak for randoms i inspect

[narrow frost]

its funny

[unreal nova]

More so when newbies show up to add to it.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-duck-thats-me-only-me-gif-13516013

[dry cloak]

rate this bullshit

i dont intend to change it

[narrow frost]

2

[dry cloak]

thx

[sharp epoch]

my eye bleeding

theres almost zero survivabillity except stealth and close order drill

[terse idol]

Infiltrate taxium

No weakpoint damage skill, no gain ammo on weapon swap ws

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-out-black-guy-tweaking-meme-gif-6022943353035016664

[regal belfry]

i hope they buff the helbore rifles they feel to clunky

[sharp epoch]

yeah theyre horrible

[regal belfry]

especially weapon swap

else i like the feeling of those

[sharp epoch]

A lot of vet options arent that great the harder the difficulty gets because theyre meant to be precision when you really just wanna be mulching enemies

Also ammo

[regal belfry]

i like infantry lasgun aswell

[sharp epoch]

Used to be the meta, now ranged vet is pretty much ded

[hollow ibex]

nah ranged vet's still good as vets go

[regal belfry]

now swap vet with ds

[hollow ibex]

it's just that vet as a class is kinda overshadowed by psyker/ogryn

[narrow frost]

and zealot

vet is the least overpowered

[sharp epoch]

It's just not viable on havoc, the ammo is a big limiter

[narrow frost]

not really anymore

[hollow ibex]

i haven't played havoc 1.24234899

soon tm

[sharp epoch]

ogryn better zealot atp, psyker better vet

[hollow ibex]

dw, vet will be op again once it gets its rework in 2027

[regal belfry]

hope vet gets new weapons and buff for existing guns

[sharp epoch]

we havent gotten weapons in so long 🥹

[regal belfry]

we only got shared weapons

[peak plinth]

hey so are we ever getting a helgun or ?

[dry cloak]

no

[narrow frost]

tomorrow

[terse idol]

Its not that bad 🥹

[terse idol]

Well also I mean

Maybe I'd wrong but helbore is pretty ammo efficient

You still run like lasgun 12, with ghost on havoc

You still have voc

[unreal nova]

It's the gun to use to never pick up ammo.

[terse idol]

Yeah

Like helbore is just clunky but it's good

[regal belfry]

i would say just shorten the weapon swap

[terse idol]

Take out 4 blood

[sharp epoch]

Even without the super long weapon swap I don't see it being that good on havoc

[terse idol]

Which navigates into the faster weapon swap

[terse idol]

How come?

[sharp epoch]

barely any penetration

[terse idol]

The weapon swap on a helbore isn't as long as say a boltgun

[winter parrot]

Anyone ever used run and gun, be it serious or meme build?

[sharp epoch]

meaning specialist hiding behind that wave of crushers and bulwarks are invulnerable

[terse idol]

But then iirc the lasgun 12 is still a viable pick because of ghost

Even without penetration

And ammo efficiency

Maybe I'm wrong but, vet is like

Okie in havoc

[sharp epoch]

I don't think its viable havent seen any vet run them in h40s

and just picturing it, you're still running into the same problem where you cant kill important targets behind enemies, its good anti shooter though

best types of weapons are ones with infinite cleave like the staves and rumbler

[terse idol]

I mean

Plasmagun

[unreal nova]

Not inf, just high.

[terse idol]

Well yeah

I just don't think vet has dropped off havoc 40's since the last update

[sharp epoch]

plasma gun stops short of bulwarks and crushers so its a little worse than the other ones but its vets best option

[terse idol]

I mean I still think you got the lasgun 12

[sharp epoch]

😭

[terse idol]

For surviving emperors dying light and trading fire with

Gunners

[sharp epoch]

you try running the mg12 and see how well ya do

[terse idol]

Or well not the 12 but

[sharp epoch]

they toned down the gunners

[terse idol]

The middle one

Its still like

[sharp epoch]

so theyre way less of a threat now, its more bosses and shield walls that are the threat

[terse idol]

Taking 0 damage

With ghost

Well okiiie

[sharp epoch]

You don't really need a dedicated amti shooter anyways on havoc now bc psyker negates all that qith the bubble

[terse idol]

well again you still have VOC

Yes psyker is strong

[red robin]

Does hotshot on the helbore pop off on any particular melee weapon?

Or is the 50 cleave not that nutty

[regal belfry]

idk why but i use ds mostly on vet

[red robin]

Could go hog wild

I was thinking t.axe to skip taking brutal momentum but I haven’t tested it

[terse idol]

It works basically only on the shovels

Gives them more cleave

[red robin]

Neat

[terse idol]

the one way for krieg larp

[red robin]

Any particular shovel shines well?

[regal belfry]

i would like shovel buff

[terse idol]

I tried the 3 with hotshot the standard and the horde clear is good

And I use one of the sapper shovels and it helps

[pseudo fiber]

Mk1 Shovel gang

[terse idol]

Is the mk1 the standard?

[red robin]

Ye I’m a fan of the standard

[terse idol]

That's the one I use
But i did swap to the good sapper shovel

[red robin]

Tried it with take a swing

[terse idol]

I fogor which mark

[red robin]

But I find skullcrusher and uncanny shine the best with it

Decimator is probably better if I played havoc

[terse idol]

Yeah basically

Then you take hotshot

Get extra horde clear

Blam

Become a helbore stan

[red robin]

God I wish take a swing was on more weapons

60% weakspot dmg fun

But a lot of work to get something that’s way stronger on other blessings in slot

That push attack got a solid finesse curve to it

[sharp epoch]

I don't know if shovel will fare that well on havoc

[serene bough]

I wouldn't bring it

But apparently decimator applies to shredder nades too

Toss a bunch of nades then turbocharge them by smacking things with the shovel (uncanny + deci)

[tropic notch]

I like the mk one with uncanny and decimator

[tropic notch]

It’s actually not terrible @slow sky has a vid on it

And cole why are bruiser bp important?

I never did ask

Is it just quality of life?

[red robin]

Huge

Damn

[heavy rover]

wait what? that's hilarious and now I want to give it a try

[tropic notch]

Yeah the mk1 shovel is my fav

The only thing it suffers at is bosses

It’s special can stagger mutants

It’s funny

Like tac axe can

[sharp epoch]

where vid

[narrow frost]

on Coal's channel

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/4lokogangemperor-coal-gems-soyjak-soyjack-gif-11252992701973331860

[sharp epoch]

can you link

[tropic notch]

He’s shy

[narrow frost]

https://www.youtube.com/@EpicCole

that pfp

[grand perch]

caught about the only voiceline of female cutthroat being wholesome

[earnest dew]

Darktide crashed as I was about to clutch the game. Sad times.

[gilded wraith]

Has Decimator been confirmed to boost them? Kuli has it listed as a melee_power_level_modifier, and I normally take their guide as gold. All or Nothing will boost them with the shovel.

[serene bough]

i only heard from one of my friends but i havent had the chance to check it yet

which is why i said apparently, hopefully someone can verify, im unable to atm

[mortal horizon]

what are meta plasma blessings for havoc? Blaze away gets hot?

[earnest dew]

Get's hot, rising heat.

[mortal horizon]

got it, why better than blaze away?

[hollow ibex]

Blaze away is good too

Where's paths copypasta

[earnest dew]

With rising heat, you just have to control your heat to get your 20% strength bonus, with blaze away you have to continously spend 10% of your mag and always need to be firing.

[mortal horizon]

but you also need to have high heat to get it, which also costs ammo to get there if you're not already stacked

ill try rising heat, i see the vision

but both require ammo spent to get to the dmg breakpoint

[earnest dew]

You can get high heat relatively quickly.

[mortal horizon]

gotcha

[earnest dew]

and as long as you left click you won't blow yourself up.

[mortal horizon]

i can see when you're at 100%, and doing little quells, 1-2 shots, quell, 1-2 shots, it would keep you at that dmg level

which happens a lot in havoc bc of the enemy density

so i get it

ya exactly

im spamming lmb when at 80% + heat and just venting it with ability for more shots often

bc its safe

ok makes sense, ill try it ty

[hollow ibex]

said copypasta

[earnest dew]

I was going to add with blaze away you need to be continously firing for full advantage. the bonus is lost once you stop shooting. Rising heat, you can afford to switch to your melee weapon, then go back. But find your comfortable choice.

[mortal horizon]

oh awesome. My perks are wrong damn, ty!

I have flak, unyielding to help boss dmg

but missing breakpoinjts on unarmoured elite gunners without dmg stacks now that i think about it

so i can see why unarmoured, I'll swap it

[mortal horizon]

charge rate stat dump? this what i got

[hollow ibex]

@tired egret

No dump stat

[mortal horizon]

soooo, roll one with everything mid 70s?

i need to roll another?

[hollow ibex]

69% thermal resist
71% charge rate
80% everything else

68+ decimal in thermal resist gives 8 continuous shots from 0% heat instead of 7, so I recommend 69 thermal resist for safety sake
Charge rate affects left click’s pre-fire delay therefore firerate, so it’s not a dump stat and u want as high as possible (which there’s only room for 71~72)
Plasma actually needs very high damage & stopping power stats to hit breakpoints
Ammo roll too low = you don’t get 1/3 shot worth of ammo back from each survivalist proc

also from path

[hollow ibex]

well i'd roll for one that can shoot 8 shots

after that, it's not a big deal

i spent like 3 million on plasma and still don't have a perfect roll

[mortal horizon]

fuck

[hollow ibex]

i use the gun like once every three months

[mortal horizon]

so its like the purg staff where its hard to roll

[hollow ibex]

purg is easy

[mortal horizon]

i got lucky and got a perfect purg staff

[hollow ibex]

only plasma and ripper have weird rolls

[mortal horizon]

RIPPER?

ive been using ripper 6 on ogryn a ton since patch, but i just have a standard collat dump roll

[hollow ibex]

yeah if you want a perfect inspiring barrage ripper it's 66 ammo

[mortal horizon]

why would it be anything different?