veteran-class

[heavy rover]

Unless you're a deadshot memer

[polar charm]

How heretical is it to have mobility as dumpstat? I ran out of resources.

[normal bay]

Perfectly fine

It can be dumped too

[polar charm]

Flak + maniacs perks?

[tame lodge]

Flak + Maniac/Crit CHANCE

[barren nimbus]

how is any class any different

[trim breach]

so smthn like this?

for recon lasgun

[unreal nova]

I have a mobility dump.

If you plan to havoc in the future, mobility dump is better.

[trim breach]

I wanna ask for curios

so for havoc, running voice of command, should I run 1 or 2 toughness curios?

[hollow ibex]

remove headhunter, swap for dumdum

[heavy rover]

Personally I run 2 toughness 1 stamina

[unreal nova]

Personally, dum dum infernus better.

[trim breach]

running the one where my teammates passively regen toughness whenever I regen toughness

currently running 1 wound, 1 stamina & 1 toughness

[barren nimbus]

you will never passively regain toughness in new havoc

[unreal nova]

Never wounds, get hp is even better than wounds.

Or more toughness.

[trim breach]

I can tho, with the node that lets me regen toughness whenever Im not getting meleed

[unreal nova]

1 stam 2 toughness, 1 stam 1 hp 1 toughness, 2 toughness 1 hp or 3 toughness.

You want min of 201 hp.

Everything else is what feels comfortable with you.

[trim breach]

rn my stats with 2 toughness + 1 stamina

[unreal nova]

Well, the 201 is so you don't insta die to a sniper.

Or an unlucky boomer.

[trim breach]

i see

[unreal nova]

But that's if you care for def breakpoints.

[trim breach]

I just wanna make sure I dont get 1 shot by chaff

[hollow ibex]

chaff is pretty much never the problem

[trim breach]

I just keep dying to them

whenever I clear em, one miraculously appears behind me and 1 shots me

[grand perch]

chaff is party of the problem when theres 4 bosses, including twins bearing down on the group at the same time

my group is really struggling in havoc in those situations

[trim breach]

tru

but I only want to reach havoc 25

20+ appears to be my limit

[heavy rover]

Yeah, I've fully committed to the role of stepping aside from the boss fights to specifically take on the chaf and elites/specialists

[trim breach]

.-.

[hollow ibex]

i mean at that point, everything is an issue lmao

[trim breach]

thats what im doing, tho the boss somehow is glued to me whenever I'm just clearing hordes

[heavy rover]

I mean I also run focus target so dealing with specialists and elites also allow me to restore my teammates' toughness and stamina

[trim breach]

no matter how hard I try to avoid it

[faint beacon]

its because Ogryn and Psyker were recently reworked after Itemization that allows them to have FAR MORE FREEDOM with choice of weapons and still have their builds synergize extremely well with them

meanwhile Zealot and Veteran yes they can use "Any Ranged/Any Melee" but it usually distills down to literally 1 build thats a Bread and Butter one

[trim breach]

thats sadly tru

[faint beacon]

Its not even because of them being overpowered in Blank region its just because since its been like that since P13 they've been more focused on a handful of weapons which are hell even now getting powercrept

its kinda depressing watching

(outside of the recent releases and already ludicrously overpowered options)

cough rashad

[trim breach]

used to main rashad

now im just sticking with the dueling sword

[faint beacon]

@narrow frost This probably wasn't even as optimized as it could be but I just said fuck it Brittleness Shovel in Auric and yeah

I think Ogryn is a wee bit strong

[uncut pebble]

Eggman...

[faint beacon]

Do you have an issue with Eggman

[heavy rover]

I see your brittleness shovel and I raise you brittleness bleed shovel

[faint beacon]

Ah yes

the Rending Bleed knife for human classes except

Ogryn

LMAO

[tame lodge]

Oggy shovel good because it goes CLANK! on push attack

[fervent quest]

What's the best way to run the Mk1 shovel? The one that doesn't fold. I have uncanny and was also thinking Skullcrusher or Decimator. Any perk breakpoints?

[faint beacon]

Slam + HHI Impact node Punch that fucking sends Crushers back

https://tenor.com/view/goku-frieza-clashes-dragon-ball-z-dbz-gif-17533107

How it feels to special key a crusher with Slam

[uncut pebble]

Wait I didn't consider brittleness with new batter...

[faint beacon]

Its free damage

its literally free fucking damage

Except you should use BM SKC for Auric

Havoc probably Britt Bleed cause of the elite and cara spam

Shit I just realized you can also do it on Clubs

cause they ALSO have thunderous

[tame lodge]

I don't miss BM on shovels, except on the Sheesh (XIX)

[junior grail]

Autopistol seems fun but I seem to always be running slow on ammo.

Am I doing smth wrong? Exec Stance

[faint beacon]

Keystone and Aura?

I assume Survivalist

Keystones that are good choices if you're looking to use the AP more in terms of killing specials/elites and Monstros would be either MMF or FT

but you generally should use your melee in downtime or hordes more

[hollow ibex]

Use melee more

That's all

[sly orchid]

noob

[faint beacon]

Can't hear you over me downloading abysmal dogshit

(BO6 got an update thus me play new zombies map)

[umbral parrot]

FINALLY GOT IT It was so hard! lol

Bolt Pistol and grenades are so badass lol

Do the bolt pistol buff on grenades only work if my Bolt Pistol is out or no?

[trim badger]

Grats

[umbral parrot]

❤️

I beat Darktide.

[unreal nova]

All the time.

You can have your knoife or any melee out. It also kinda works on kraks but not great.

[umbral parrot]

Well... kraks are pretty limited.

Using grenades recently. Been smoke user for the longest since i like the right side of the tree more.

BUT DAMN, Shredders are too good!

[hollow ibex]

Yup

[unreal nova]

True, but info can help in cases.

[unreal nova]

I mean, room clear on a slight delay if you throw 2.

[umbral parrot]

Yea, it's cool

MAN

That's getting a nerf i can tell lol.

Or a buff on smokes.

[unreal nova]

Honestly, smoke buff is probs better.

[umbral parrot]

Honestly.

If it was wider, it'd be great. It's too small!

Now, time to add in my True Survivor title to feel big!

[hollow ibex]

Make them impact grenades

[umbral parrot]

Don't replace smokes. I love them

[unreal nova]

Offensive uses get choking gas yes.

[umbral parrot]

Besides, i sound more high tech yelling out "C-19 Alpha smoke bombs"

[hollow ibex]

I mean make smoke impact grenades instead of having the delay fuse

[unreal nova]

By impact, I think is more. The moment it hits, it pops. No delay.

[umbral parrot]

Oh!

Then it'd be too good!

It's like bubble but smaller.

[hollow ibex]

Idk about that but it'd be great qol

[unreal nova]

Lasts way longer.

30 secs blinds everyone?

Yes.

[hollow ibex]

A big benefit to bubble is also toughness regen

[umbral parrot]

15 seconds.

It needs to be wider and maybe 20 seconds.

[unreal nova]

Use grenade tinkerer reeeeeeeeeeee

I wanna turn a room into a hookah den.

Twinned 30 secs smoke funni.

[umbral parrot]

Huh!? Grenade tinkerer for smokes?!

[hollow ibex]

It's pretty big for smokes

[uncut pebble]

Also make smokes stagger the target they hit directly.

I want them to stagger a bulwark.

[umbral parrot]

Lol that's a heavy grenade

[uncut pebble]

You underestimate the power of an impact grenade.

[hollow ibex]

I approve of this

[uncut pebble]

I require more bulwark racism.

[unreal nova]

Yes, try it.

Just not with twinned, that's memes.

Do note Bistol does not make smoke bigger.

[sinful palm]

kinda looking good huh?

[undone sigil]

Of only they made hotshot volleyguns a thing

Could go full Scion

Wonder if they have the balls to make a melta gun

[umbral parrot]

Vollyguns would be too OP!

Melta can be cool. Can be like Space Marine 1. Where it's a donut shotgun. x3

[quartz adder]

let me become jurgen

[vernal trench]

Smokes op

[torpid canyon]

I'm trying to get that set for mine

[queen fox]

Meltas in the books are described more like short range heat lasers half the time

[sinful palm]

are you close to 5.5k penance points?

[queen fox]

I want a voltvoler

[torpid canyon]

Ooh I need to check, I'm at work right now

When I get home I'll tell ya

[sinful palm]

sure . i kinda like the set now that i have the helmet

[undone sigil]

Overheat and cumbersome in comparison to regular lasgun. Would probably just play like the recon lasgun with more kick but burn

[umbral parrot]

Hold up, what's that stats on it on table top again? lol

Fairly sure it can punch through heavy armor too.

[undone sigil]

Same strength with 2 more ap

Might be 1 now

In the age of simplified 40hammer

Though I may be mixing up

[umbral parrot]

It could work. I see it as a more marksman weapon like a Battle Rifle from Halo.

[undone sigil]

Volleygun is the heavy weapon varient so probably more shots and higher strength. Better than a bolter

Hotshots need the backpacks so they're not precision weapons as much. Scions are more drop/shock troops

[umbral parrot]

Didn't they add a bit of lore that they have small packs for those weapons now?

[undone sigil]

It'd definitely be a weapon unique to Veteran

[umbral parrot]

I need to look this up again, it's been a while.

[undone sigil]

No clue, haven't checked in as much. But they're far more power hungry than the staple lasgun

[umbral parrot]

Big time.

[undone sigil]

That or the power pack is to regulate heat. Given its hot shot

[umbral parrot]

Still, i mean, Vollyguns have scopes on them so they are meant for a bit of precision.

[dry cloak]

is this good ws ranged?

[undone sigil]

I've always wondered. Anyone tried the desperado blessing? Dodge for 20% crit for 4 seconds or something

[sharp epoch]

for weapon specialist?

[dry cloak]

yep

[sharp epoch]

It's decent since it swaps fast and synergized a bit, but the best weapons for ws are the ones that benefit from that initial guaranteed crit more like revolver, plasma, and dbs

[hollow ibex]

Take dumdum instead of conc fire

Mk X in general pretty meh though

[dry cloak]

i feels better to use in my hands

[hollow ibex]

Mk II much better

[dry cloak]

i know just trying something different

[hollow ibex]

DPS is significantly higher

[dry cloak]

for the time being mk 10 feels fine

maybe later i try mk2

[sharp epoch]

It's fine then 🤷‍♂️

[dry cloak]

other reason im using it is thats is the closest thing we have to standard pistol

[hollow ibex]

Yeah mk X is prob the closest gun to a traditional sidearm pistol feel

[sharp epoch]

Sidearms with a primary ranged weapon would be cool 😭

But no, ammo balancing sucks at high havoc so it wouldnt work

[lusty ether]

I think it's a reasonable trade if:

1. They have crap ammo.
2. You now can't block because your melee weapon is now alt fire aim a gun.

Like if I can have a stub pistol and sword combo, with like 1/3rd the ammo of a primary, that's probably not that unreasonable.

[tame lodge]

Tempestus Aquilons

[umbral parrot]

Yea, because they use like Jetpacks right?

Or something like that lol

[narrow frost]

@tall torrent Are you on?

I'm making a quick stat dump for zel weapons

and needed insight on something

Laz pistol dump, stability only effects ADS. Correct?

[polar charm]

Is dmg the dump stat on a catachan MK III?

[fervent quest]

Assuming a DS that's 76s across the board is just fine and you're not missing any breakpoints for sub 80 damage?

[narrow frost]

check pins, but no

mobility is dump for knife

[tame lodge]

It's never damage

Unless Flamer

[light lake]

For the Armorbane Penance, what counts as an armorer enemy?
Is it anything with flak and carapace armor?

[narrow frost]

their centermass being armor

[light lake]

Oh cool

[narrow frost]

I think flak armoured horde, maulers, ragers, crushers

[light lake]

Do the armored gunners count?

[narrow frost]

oohhh

I think so

[light lake]

Thanks

[faint beacon]

what I recall from usage yes its similar to Helbys

where Stability really isn't a make or break

[mellow bridge]

I haven't played darktide for a very long time, any specific things about veteran to note? How are the hellbores?

[umbral scaffold]

to much to note

[mellow bridge]

No worries, I guess I'll just read up on some patch notes

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-not-great-not-terrible-its-okay-gif-24540363

Actually the changes to Killzone made it more consistently based

[umbral scaffold]

When didi you play last time?

[tame lodge]

If you don't get hit that is

[mellow bridge]

About 3-4 months ago?

[frank basin]

veteran still same except some his talents node changed; like swap speed instead sprint cost, then his other talent node like killzone gotten better rather distance based

hellbore is okay i think is same state, but has new blessing

[mellow bridge]

So it does!

[frank basin]

killzone and catch a breath got buff

instead meter base, is not take melee damage KZ: 8s & CaB: 5s

[umbral scaffold]

and you should consider in game changes in you would like to play havoc its much harder and enemies have new blessings

[frank basin]

when was tox bomber add in the game?

3-4 month ago?

[mellow bridge]

Good point. Not touching havoc so far until I got a bit less rusty

[frank basin]

heresy warm up*

[tame lodge]

Path OF Redemption

[frank basin]

havoc are like mael auric 2.0 something

[umbral scaffold]

and there is new "arcade" mode Mortis Trials

[mellow bridge]

Yep, played that recently. It's fun

[umbral scaffold]

And you must try out Ogryns

they gpot update and are very very nice now

[mellow bridge]

Yeah, ogryn is my main. The new changes are incredible

[umbral scaffold]

!

I like vet changes fells even better now and its my main

[mellow bridge]

Every copy of darktide is personalised

[formal ice]

I got the copy where zealot is nerfed

[mellow bridge]

Lel

[wind grotto]

god I wish

instead we have to live in a world where vet will get the swiss army knife as his newest weapon in 3 months and no changes otherwise

[tame lodge]

A weapon that can do everything?

Damn that's [ Rashad Combat Axe]

[wind grotto]

no a literal 2 inch blade with a corkscrew that does 10 damage

[tame lodge]

And a can opener that deals 3k Dmg to carapace

[wind grotto]

sure but it will take 5x the duration of using the chain special action

and you can't cancel out of it

[red robin]

Man

How broken would allowing attack speed to influence weapon special activation animations

[wind grotto]

not at all

the chain weapons would still feel like shit, and at best you'd like flip a shovel a bit faster

[red robin]

Inb4 it does that already

[wind grotto]

yeah it might and i have no clue, it wouldn't change anything either way

[red robin]

I know the combat shotguns weapon special are influenced by reload speed

[wind grotto]

because what the chain special activations need isn't faster animations it's to be switched into a stance with the chain on that does more damage/rending and is slower

[tropic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-is-that-what-was-that-i-heard-gif-18165591

[fervent quest]

Which combat blade for vet?

[red robin]

Personal choice

Many prefer mk6

It’s got a more dynamic moveset

[wind grotto]

is it a personal choice, isn't the mk6 just objectively better on vet

[red robin]

Yeah

Mk3 kinda just exists as the single target andy

While mk6 has options for both that are just as good

[umbral scaffold]

I was using mk3 until mk6 did not came out😂

I did try to get back to mk3 but it feels so stiff now

But I think mk3 is great for head strikes

[gilded raft]

mk3 is the headshot machine

it's all knives do anyway

sorta like the H1 on mk6 but it doesn't have a great sweeping combo anyway, so might as well lean into the head poking

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

[gilded raft]

either works, just pick your flavor of bleed and push attack more often than you think you need to, and you'll be fine

[hollow ibex]

But mk3 knife with lacerate is pretty funny

[umbral scaffold]

I guess it much depends on playstyle

[gilded raft]

I like a good riposte/flesh tare for crit bleed spam with the 3

[hollow ibex]

Esp since serrated blade was slightly buffed

[hollow ibex]

Ok yeah this+DB+Shredders is a blast. Over 100k bleed damage consistently every match

[sharp epoch]

too bad bleed caps out at like 16

[faint beacon]

If its any armored type enemy aka not unarmored or infested

slap Brittle or Rending

and you'll do even more

[hollow ibex]

That's still like 200+ damage per tick

[gritty mural]

bleed being limited makes sense considering zealots and ogryns have buffs from it

[lean rune]

On the plasma gun is it okay if I got 60 thermal resistance I spent 650k on attempting to get the perfect roll and this is too much at this point

Or would this other one I have be better 62 thermal resistance
78 ammo 80 everything else

[tropic notch]

A 70 70 t res and charge rate is good as well

[lean rune]

Which one would be better 60 thermal
Or 62 t res 78 ammo because I can’t be asked to sit here and use more gold on a singular weapon

Granted it’s a good weapon I don’t really use guns much I’m more melee combat

[tropic notch]

I’d try to get 80 ammo

[tropic notch]

And yeah it’s mainly just to deal with specials

[lean rune]

So the 60 t res one then? Cause it has 80 everything else

[tropic notch]

Yeah that’s good you miss out on 2 shots I think

[lean rune]

Also did u say spear head bolt gun or bolt pistol last night?

[tropic notch]

For me bolt pistol

Puncture and lethal prox

[craggy goblet]

bolt pistol or las pistol?

debating between the 2

[tropic notch]

What build?

[craggy goblet]

i’ve been liking the las pistol so far but man miss the oomph of the spearhead boltgun when i was playing zealot

idk

i’m new to vet

i’m new to the game period

just started last week

[tropic notch]

Bolt pistol with shredders is amazing

[craggy goblet]

i’m kinda just

i have it set to krak rn

but makes sense since bolt pistol could work against the heavier foes

want to use power sword tho

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[craggy goblet]

just got home, i’ll show you what i was roughly following for now

[tropic notch]

You can use krak

And I’d definitely use ws with ps

Shedder is better than kraks the higher you go in content

In my opinion

[craggy goblet]

mine looks similar but i took dmg coherence rather than survivalist

but real tempted to switch

was going for specialist too

[tropic notch]

I only pick it because of catch a breath

[craggy goblet]

remind me what that is?

[hollow ibex]

Constant toughness regen

[craggy goblet]

oh shoot?

[tropic notch]

Yup

[hollow ibex]

So long as you're not hit in melee

Or block a hit

[tropic notch]

If you don’t get hit or block anything you get constant regen

[craggy goblet]

welp, imma give this a go then

bolt pistol and power sword sound good or nah?

[tropic notch]

God imagine that on zealot with 2nd wind

[tropic notch]

Yeah it does

[craggy goblet]

welp

time to get a bolt pistol

[tropic notch]

The power sword is hard to clutch with though

[craggy goblet]

[tropic notch]

Or revolver

It’s good as well

[craggy goblet]

i would like to say i’m not clutching but with teammates as of late….

[tropic notch]

I had a trial by fire with getting good at clutching

[craggy goblet]

my first few games of vet i’d be last alive

idk how or why

[tropic notch]

With catch a breath it does help with clutching

Stuff like the knife, ds, dc, hsword, and caxe are really good at clutching

[craggy goblet]

so how about dueling sword and bolt pistol?

[tall torrent]

abysmal horde clear when u don't have frags

[craggy goblet]

damn

i mean ill change to frags

[tall torrent]

change to not using a duelling sword

[craggy goblet]

bp and powersword it is

[tall torrent]

there's frankly not much reason to use duelling sword on vet rn

[craggy goblet]

with frags

[tall torrent]

given how strong power sword is

[craggy goblet]

or krak?

[tall torrent]

both are ok

[craggy goblet]

if im gonna be primarily using bp for elites anyway, might as well use frags

perks for bolt pistol?

*blessings

and perks i guess

[tropic notch]

I need to play tac axe vet

Because apparently it’s so good

[tall torrent]

unarmored
maniac

puncture
lethal proximity / point blank / run&gun

[tropic notch]

All the good players use it

[austere mica]

Tac axe vet actually does pretty good cara

Because rending innates

[tall torrent]

not good enough

[austere mica]

Comparatively

[tall torrent]

not as good as zealot & psyker at the very least

[tropic notch]

If shredders @craggy goblet I’d do leathal prox and puncture

[austere mica]

Its better than psyker with nothiing up

[tall torrent]

only good melee rending talent for veteran is 10% rending

tac axe is far more crit dependent

[austere mica]

I'd try tac axe vet if I actually liked vet anymore

[tropic notch]

Even with precision strikes and ws?

[tall torrent]

psyker has more dmg bonuses & far higher crit chance

[tropic notch]

That’s true

[tall torrent]

zealot has duellist and far higher crit chance

[tropic notch]

[loud belfry]

buff taxe

[tropic notch]

We have reciprocity

For 8 seconds

[tall torrent]

reciprocity is quite good

but not so good as zealot's kit built around crit

or psyker having basically the same or better crit chance on demand

[tame lodge]

[tropic notch]

Don’t let @slow sky, @narrow frost, or dorn see this hateful tac axe slander

[tame lodge]

Oh they've seen it

[tropic notch]

[tame lodge]

And I keep saying to their face as well

[slow sky]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-bait-lol-lmao-gif-3554026694133497645

[tame lodge]

Kind of a running gag atp

[tame lodge]

Shredder Auto Pistol got buffed so Ainz doesn't need to see SAP bad anymore

[tropic notch]

Tac axe will ingrain push attack into me I suppose

Even though knife already did

[tame lodge]

That and weaving special attacks

Hit them with that special light Perma stun combo

[red robin]

taxe science is headtaker and brutal momentum eh?

what about perks?

mobility dump stat too?

[tropic notch]

@slow sky can I see a video of this

Why was I never told about this

[tropic notch]

Yup

Perks uhhhh depends on the character I believe

Let me see for vet

[red robin]

ty ty

what mk of taxe goes off?

im somewhat of a versatility enjoyer

i get bored of light spam

[tropic notch]

2

[red robin]

ty my man

[tropic notch]

And I can’t check the doc but it’s in pins

[red robin]

ill check it out and save you the time

thanks for the insight tho

[arctic rampart]

personally I like 4 (https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/tactical-axe/atrox-mk-iv-tactical-axe) for the w light spam

[narrow frost]

2 or 7 best performing

perference between those

4 lacks a sweeping attack to benefit from BM

[tropic notch]

The mk2 works off push attacks and heavies

[austere mica]

4 misses all its BM breakpoints

[slow sky]

7 is my go to

[narrow frost]

and lack most of the horde clear the other 2 have

7 is mine as well

@slow sky busy?

wanna duo A-I-II?

[austere mica]

yeah I ran 2 but 7 is better

[narrow frost]

its time

[tropic notch]

Everyone wants to duo with Cole

[slow sky]

im doing a pre-lab rn

killing myself

[narrow frost]

good luck

[red robin]

inshallah

wishing you luck and resolve

[narrow frost]

already had 3 thunder hammers in my A-I-II

[tropic notch]

OH MY GOD

I gotta use the taxe

[tropic notch]

I can at like uh 8

[austere mica]

The cult grows

[slow sky]

its not as useful for multiple groups of ragers because heavy sweeps/PAs have enough impact to stun ragers out of combos and maulers out of overheads

[hollow ibex]

Yeah but you can use braindead light spam

[slow sky]

so youll use those more

[austere mica]

And it will do worse than the other two by a lot

[tropic notch]

Yeah I figured that it seem niche

[slow sky]

you can do that with the mk7 too but youre not giving up optimal combos to do so

[arctic rampart]

I dont use tac axe for breakpoints or to be good. Tac axe is just worse so you just gotta roll with the worst oen. Dump stat damage and use shred instead of brutal momentum. Pure swag weapon that's definitely not good

[hollow ibex]

Still pretty good tbh

[slow sky]

stopping mutants easily tho is actually useful and i do it often all the time

[tropic notch]

Tbh I’ve clutched with a taxe once and I was push attacking for my life

[tropic notch]

Noted

My hand was tired after taxe

[austere mica]

For whatever reason taxe and shovel special will stop a mutant but ogryn knife punch won't

[slow sky]

cuz its a typical force stun you can use it on reaper and crusher heads
but they are still subject to stagger cooldowns so you cant spam it

[austere mica]

How could you have overlooked this cole

[tropic notch]

Even on controller

[arctic rampart]

Just use full auto if you're gonna use light spam tackaxe

At least, you should if you're an old fucker like me

[hollow ibex]

Exactly what I do

[tropic notch]

7?

I just thought the 2 was the best

[austere mica]

7 can do pa->heavy loop and also has an overhead heavy

[tropic notch]

Ohh that’s good

[austere mica]

And has a fast Heavy->light loop if you're out of stamina

[slow sky]

you can also do h1>l2 as a group clear combo when youre running low on stam

[tropic notch]

Noted

I run atleast one stam regen on vet for stam

[slow sky]

i just really hate the angles on the 2s heavies

they feel awful

[tropic notch]

And on psyker stam isn’t an issue

[barren nimbus]

which knife is best

[austere mica]

I run 3x stam regen on everyone

[arctic rampart]

3x stam regen always, running out of stamina is death

[austere mica]

I breath stamina

[tropic notch]

Same

[tall torrent]

yea u just lose dps vs mauler, every ogryn enemy and unyielding bosses

[hollow ibex]

Mk6 though mk3 is ok

[tropic notch]

[craggy goblet]

perks for powersword?

[tropic notch]

What perks do you run on them again?

[hollow ibex]

I run carapace elite

[tall torrent]

it's close to being good, it just needs flat dmg number boosts across the board

[tropic notch]

I do unyielding elites

[craggy goblet]

rn im running flak and unyeilding

[hollow ibex]

You can def skip flak

[tropic notch]

I can’t look at the doc rn what are the perk for the taxe?

[tall torrent]

For veteran
Unarmored
Maniac

[slow sky]

i do flak and unarmored on zealot, that i do know

[craggy goblet]

gotcha

[slow sky]

ive played taxe on vet the least tho

[tropic notch]

No unyielding? Why unarmored?

[slow sky]

bruiser breakpoints

[tall torrent]

do u want BM bruiser 1 taps

[tropic notch]

Yis sur.. I do

[slow sky]

and unyielding is always a nice to have, never a need to have

other things take priority and you take it when you dont need anything else

[tropic notch]

Doesn’t that help against dreg gunners as well?

[tall torrent]

even with unyielding & carapace, tac axe is still not good vs unyielding & carapace

it's just not worth the investment

[tropic notch]

Unarmored?

[tall torrent]

it rly just needs numerical dmg buffs across the board

[tropic notch]

Ahh I see

Tbh I never really thought about trash breakpoints

I just hit them

But I suppose they can be important in circumstance

[tall torrent]

tac axe is basically what if a DC sword style weapon actually killed things quickly

because it's super similar to DC sword in terms of role

[tropic notch]

Dc slander

[tall torrent]

both are at their peak vs ragers

both are mid at best vs carapace & unyielding

[tropic notch]

True

[tall torrent]

tac axe does far better vs flak

[tropic notch]

I mean dc has parry

[tall torrent]

has far better horde clear speed

has better dodge profile

has better innate block efficiency

attacks faster

has a lot better stagger

[tropic notch]

When you gonna post that guide on blocks

[hollow ibex]

I take carapace on mk IV. I think it's worth it.

[tropic notch]

“Never”

[hollow ibex]

The dps is just acceptable enough with carapace that I don't feel the need to take krak or a gun that deals with carapace

[tall torrent]

it'll be in each melee weapon's own section

[tropic notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278540580976328790/1337111856375922812/rapidsave.com_lhqazm85hhhe1.gif

[tall torrent]

barrel thyself

[tropic notch]

@lean rune if you want to play vermintide in darktide you can use the tac axe

[tropic notch]

Love you too path

[tropic notch]

Now what has the highest

[tall torrent]

crusher & thunder hammer have highest block cost

[tropic notch]

Zamm

[tropic notch]

@dawn garnet you eating terrible!

[tall torrent]

high cost = bad

[tropic notch]

True

Just realized my mistake

I’ve been up for 18 hours

Tweaking rn

Psychosis

He meant they cost a lot more to block wif if you can’t read like me

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-tweak-tweaking-what-gif-1547006946285359423

Path telling me to “read it again for the 8th time”

[dawn garnet]

😭

tell me about it

thammer needs some QoL buffs

esp ironhelm

you need to push to get to H3

[tropic notch]

Use ij

Please

Clad it helps

[dawn garnet]

so you have 1) shit stam base
2) high block costs
3) high push costs

[tropic notch]

It gives you what you lack

[dawn garnet]

NO

BLOCKED

[tropic notch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/897410920001708032/1144962055368101940/m.gif

[dawn garnet]

i dont even have toughness curios on my zealot

[tropic notch]

Get one

[dawn garnet]

i spent 20k melkbucks

nothing

[tropic notch]

Have you tried the ritual

[dawn garnet]

what ritual?

[tropic notch]

He doesn’t know about the ritual

[dawn garnet]

🙄

[tropic notch]

How do we tell him

You be checking them shops son?

[dawn garnet]

no

i dont need them

i have wound curios

[broken spade]

just use crucis bro...

[uncut pebble]

You don't understand, Clad NEEDS ironhelm so he can throw harder.

[unreal nova]

I'll win the lottery before he does it, I think.

[coarse wolf]

if we ever duo again I'm sorry but you're being locked out of Martyrdom

[dawn garnet]

ill play ogryn

its ok

if there are hammers an bolters available to me i shall use them

[coarse wolf]

shovelgryn i hope

[dawn garnet]

no

[coarse wolf]

L

[dawn garnet]

shield or pick

actually maybe shovel once i get some practice with it

[tame lodge]

It's cleaver 6 or nothing

[unreal nova]

Not 4?

[cold thistle]

Mobility a good dump stat on the combat axe?

[tame lodge]

Brain off H1 H2 ad infinitum

With the now Push Heavy for single target

[iron marten]

Yep

[cold thistle]

And for the sapper shovel?

[unreal nova]

But but but, light spam fun.'

[tame lodge]

I mean

You can still light

Just not as good as the others

Light Special Light Push Heavy Light

Fighting game notation but DT

L1 sL1 P H3 L3 (?)

Hmmm that "heavy 3" is a doozy

[unreal nova]

Nu, rejected, Am going back to hahayes bully mk 3 light spam.

[tame lodge]

Tested Brunt's Pride today

The punch is fast

And hits hard

Pretty good

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/plasma-darktide-gif-3239624628315971488

❤️ @dawn garnet

[stuck gorge]

remember, they only explode once :)

[cold thistle]

Which one do I consecrate? Also how to I fill the rest of the bars? Empowering?

[tame lodge]

Left one good

Empowering yes

[cold thistle]

ty

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-quickster-wanna-see-me-do-it-again-want-to-see-me-do-it-again-s3e12-gif-16641790733882486007

[faint beacon]

Exec Stance Agri Vigil Propaganda featuring @narrow frost

[narrow frost]

I was so close to getting more boss dps then total

Just 1 more full hp boss

[coarse wolf]

706k jesus fucking christ

[narrow frost]

yes

[faint beacon]

he was running Brit Bleed Shovel which was nuking Bosses I was just playing Obj or mop up crew on elites

minus BON moments then it was just a game of whoever saw the back exposed first shot it

[coarse wolf]

that bleed shovel build is very fun

[faint beacon]

its very fucking strong

[coarse wolf]

I've been playing it recently

[faint beacon]

dare I say near levels of Rending Knife

Not mobility wise

but def DPS

[coarse wolf]

i mean

[narrow frost]

its better than lac uncanny knife

because I have skullcrusher as well

[hollow ibex]

how does this work lol

[narrow frost]

uncanny lacerate knife is the best blessing combo because its 100% rending bleed ticks

best horde and almost best boss dps

or do you mean shovel?

I was using thunderous Skullcrusher with bless on hit from the talent tree

[hollow ibex]

yeah i thought you were saying shovel's better than lac uncanny knife for bleed spam 🤔

oh wait is this on ogryn?

am confused

[narrow frost]

I played ogryn

but the bleed brittleness is similar to how lac uncanny knife plays

[hollow ibex]

oh yeah that makes sense then

[junior grail]

Anyone still use mk3 power sword?

[hollow ibex]

idts

it's bad, really bad

[trim steppe]

Managed to crack 1 million damage in mortis lmao. Infinite bolter with knockback on every shot is a wee bit op

[craggy goblet]

holy

[regal smelt]

It's nice getting both of those and just gunning down rinda/rodin, I think they have 100k hp each

[austere mica]

• shield refreshes

Its probably more than 400k total

[unreal nova]

Better to just volt rng 1 shot at times.

[austere mica]

Luckily if you have damage you can just stunlock with shield breaks

And even then they aren't hard with no shield linking

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-gif-18890916

Time for darktide

And Benadryl psychosis

Darktide sleep deprived psychosis

[radiant chasm]

Oh nyo

Would not could not

[tropic notch]

Drank a monster coffee and took some for allergies

[cosmic aurora]

So when we get a good and proper commisar outfit, would chain sword or dueling sword be better?

[tropic notch]

Huh

The ds is good

[cosmic aurora]

But is it commissar coded?

[tropic notch]

Nvm read that wrong

I mean yeah

Chain sword, ds, power sword

Very good for commissar cosplay

[cosmic aurora]

I will pretend to be in charge of the squad

[radiant chasm]

I have severe mental reaction to benadryl, makes me extremely anxious and paranoid

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/parasyte-lock-in-locked-in-serious-meme-gif-5534810714910553671

When I feel like abysmal dogshit is when I preform best at darktide

[patent slate]

please buff the chainsword

i should not be swinging 3 times just to kill a pox walker

[tropic notch]

What the scallop

How do you have it built

[radiant chasm]

I mean you shouldn’t Anyways

[patent slate]

imean the uh bruiser

myt fault

[unreal nova]

You sound like you are using a knoife at wave 12 mortis with no buffs.

[patent slate]

not pox walker

[radiant chasm]

Chsword does need buffs but it’s the faster clear speed for thr chaff horde

[radiant chasm]

If it’s scab bruiser, just make sure you hit the head

If it’s buckethead dreg bruisers yea, bit more difficult

Chsword really only excels at unarmored and infested

[unreal nova]

If it's scabs, you have either + flak damage or aim at weakspots which don't need flak.

[patent slate]

apart from the power sword and sometimes rashad every other weapon feels so weak

like is that just me

[radiant chasm]

Kinda yea

You are basically comparing everything to the S+ tier when melee is at the point where the lowest weapons are like B tier

Also duelist sword and knife not mentioned when they are strong asf as well

[patent slate]

knife is kinda meh to me, but duelist sword is straight up broken

and i dont like that

[hybrid plover]

Knife is low-key broken tbh

It just isn't the dueling sword.

Which honestly isn't saying much since the dueling sword is just abrasively op.

[hollow ibex]

nah

the damage potential is much lower than something like rashad, PS, or any of the non-dogshit orgyn melees

the main thing is just that you're fast

[hybrid plover]

Damage potential is perfectly serviceable with the right blessings and the fact that it's the one weapon that innately causes bleed.

[narrow frost]

It does not

[hybrid plover]

It's the speed accompanied with that, that makes it good.

[narrow frost]

Knives does not cause bleed

[hybrid plover]

With flesh tearer.

Apologies. CAN innately cause bleed.

[narrow frost]

Innately means naturally, you need a blessing or talent to cause bleed. Just making sure you know, I noticed some people think knife does it by itself

[hybrid plover]

Yeah. Flesh tearer or lacerate.

Lacerate isn't great though so usually flesh tearer.

[terse idol]

Well

You just have to do the combos constantly with knife

And consistently

The damage is good

But uh, I fumble the combos

[narrow frost]

Funny thing about that

[terse idol]

You can very well 1 shot crushers on one combo

[narrow frost]

No need to agree with me but lacerate and uncanny is knife best blessing combo

But overall bleed is not good outside of ogryn and shredder nades

[hybrid plover]

Lacerate I think lends itself pretty well to a build that doesn't rely much on critting.

Why I use it on my staff psyker builds

Shredder nades are particularly why I'd use bleed on the knife tbh

[hollow ibex]

i just do L>L>L>L>L

[hybrid plover]

Helps with building up stacks on larger targets without an extra grenade.

[faint beacon]

See there’s an incredibly wacky thing with Lac Un when you just juggle body to head in a pattern leaving you with usually a 3.5 second window to spare on Uncanny

And it’s rending bleed on demand so you’re literally just killing everything outside of Unarmored which again bleed Alone is killing

[narrow frost]

It's so shrimple because the attack pattern likes body shots for mk3

[hollow ibex]

and then bleed from flechette and bleed from shredders

[narrow frost]

PA for weakspot

The light light light for body shots

Repeat

Mk3 was made for uncanny lac

[hybrid plover]

See that's where my issue lies. Because I prefer the Mk6

[hollow ibex]

i wonder if this patch actually puts mk3 back on par with mk6

for vet at least

[narrow frost]

Isn't just preference overall between the marks

[hollow ibex]

well mk6 def used to have better horde clear and better single target

assuming you had the stamina to spam PA

[faint beacon]

I honestly never bothered asking about the big difference between the two but I gotta admit Mk6 PA

Bye bye crushers

[narrow frost]

Yes

[faint beacon]

Though I can’t tell

Is mk3 slightly faster even without Trench

Vs Mk6

[narrow frost]

Unsure

[abstract ferry]

So question, revolver dump for ws is reload speed correct? What about bpistol?

Would that still be collateral, or would that be reload too

[narrow frost]

Collateral

It literally won't change anything

And sometimes you reload without WS, so having faster reload helps

[abstract ferry]

What other weapons do you usually dump reload with then, aside from revolver (if any)

[narrow frost]

None to my knowledge

[abstract ferry]

Thank you 🙏

[faint beacon]

Probably should test the differences sometimes

Cause I mean I can confidently say Mk6 has a wider reach

[abstract ferry]

Brunts has been surprisingly generous as of late so I've been stocking up

[narrow frost]

H1 on mk3 is less damage sure but it's no shame cost

So overall more effective, no?

Vet always struggles with stamina

[faint beacon]

If it’s quicker to stack rending bleed

May as well

[narrow frost]

Also pray for me, I might get cursed

I'm working on zealot guide

And it might get me banned

[faint beacon]

See now that you’ve stated it

It might happen

[narrow frost]

Gg

[faint beacon]

Everyday you roll a 20 sided

[faint beacon]

The moment it lands on 1 your ban will follow

Sitting here realizing how Shovel Ogryn with Batter Thunderous SKC is literally just better Lac Knife

Outside of mobility but like

[hybrid plover]

mk3 is better for single target if you abuse the special + light combo

[faint beacon]

You nuke everything lmao

[hybrid plover]

especially since it's much more responsive on that particular mark than the mk6 (for some reason)

mk6 just feels a lot more generalist

[frank basin]

the knife special punch feel realistically not impactful

not like ogryn fist

[narrow frost]

Yes I do

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1274493927306559559/1356752979264405635/image.png?ex=67ef07ad&is=67edb62d&hm=546008152ec67f52172c122762557d1b9b7705767a4eecfdbd8e4606f260ef95&

[frank basin]

hmmm you can nuke horde with mk3 knife?

[hybrid plover]

it's not the special attack itself

[narrow frost]

My 1st ogryn solo was a I-II

With that shovel

[frank basin]

what kind?

[narrow frost]

Ogryn has rush and barge though

[hybrid plover]

it's that the light that come afterwards is a heavy instead

[narrow frost]

And a instant stagger special

[hybrid plover]

and it comes out very, very quickly

[frank basin]

bullrush?

[hybrid plover]

and mk3 with any kinda bleed blessing is serviceable enough for hordes anyway

really, it's just a pick your poison deal

[frank basin]

i find mk6 simply horde pattern

[hybrid plover]

which is pretty much what it's meant for

[frank basin]

it is lack of cleave?

like hit one body mass?

[hybrid plover]

it's a more versatile mark that doesn't specialize as much in single target

it still does both well enough and it's why i prefer the mk6

[frank basin]

uncanny mk6 like alaways on it

[hybrid plover]

that being said

it's genuinely goofy how quickly the mk3 can deal with a horde of crushers if you time the special + light chain right

[frank basin]

i don't use special, i keep light and dodge all time

the punch i use doesn't feel impact full

puching crusher head didn't do anything

[hybrid plover]

it's not the punch

it's what comes after the punch

anytime you use that punch, you get the downward stab that does a ton of damage on weak spots

mk6 for some reason can't chain it as well because it has this odd input lag

[frank basin]

does the animation delay with fliping the knife and downward stab?

[hybrid plover]

on the mk6 yeah

there's absolutely no delay on the mk3 for some reason

[frank basin]

im going look by myself

[hybrid plover]

wondering if that was a balance decision to keep the mk6 from just being outright better than the mk3

but that punch + light combo on mk3 has some of the best single target dps in the game

[frank basin]

yeah

but is juggle the moveset

for me

i gotta watchout the other crusher if i attempt targeting one crusher

because they pack it up

hitting boulder like hammer timming

[hybrid plover]

that's why you never just roll on in without trying to stagger them

[hollow ibex]

hmm

[hybrid plover]

and vet is very good at staggering

[hollow ibex]

revolver ES doesn't feel as bad as it used to

[hybrid plover]

shout, nades and all

[frank basin]

only those riding monocycle and juggling ball can perform it well

not for me

[hollow ibex]

average martyrdom experience: most damage dealt, least ammo taken, and... least damage received?

[junior grail]

Sirosky have you tried the Helbores with the mod?

[hollow ibex]

yeh

it def helps with the strain on fingers

[unreal nova]

Even better if you do it with 0 damage taken.

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-is-it-though-thor-bruce-banner-gif-14242312

[unreal nova]

Yes.

[hollow ibex]

and lose my bonus 20% attack speed and 40% melee damage? nah. i don't think so.

[proud bluff]

Who ever did the sounds for the boltgun needs a raise

[gilded wraith]

Does electrified status do DoT damage in Mortis trials?

[silver trellis]

The Spearhead fucks

[proud bluff]

That reload sound is perfection

[junior grail]

Which Hsword suits Vet better?

[dry cloak]

All will say mk9

I say try using all 3 of them and choose

[junior grail]

I used to like mk6 but that was on Zealot

[dry cloak]

Its exactly the same stat wise on vet

[junior grail]

I saw a vid for Grenade vet build, saying Bladed Momentum is good?

[dry cloak]

Deathblow headtaker

Bladed.momentum is weird blessing

[polar charm]

Whats the dumpstat on bolt pistol?

[narrow frost]

Check pins (collat)

[polar charm]

Survivalist guide?

[lucid herald]

I kinda used to hate vigilant autoguns but I kinda started to like graia since it's just semi-auto and not burst

[narrow frost]

Good

Another VA user

[lucid herald]

Might use it more on zealot though since I just love recon lasguns too much

Surgical and deadly accurate feel really nice on graia

[junior grail]

VAguns haven't been touched on this patch right?

[narrow frost]

Yes to my knowledge

[junior grail]

Is the triple burst one still the "best" of the three?

[narrow frost]

Depends? I guess. I've only used the single shot and I don't really see how the bursts would do anything different

[junior grail]

What Blessings you use?

[lucid herald]

I personally just hate burst as a fire mode

[narrow frost]

Maniac elite, surgical deadly accurate

1 tapes every elite up to ogryns

[lucid herald]

2 shot bursts are most tolerable but it's just annoying how the gun forces you to shoot extra bullets

[junior grail]

I didn't expect surgical

[narrow frost]

Which are 2-4

I think crushers are a 4 shot

Weakspot crit

[dry cloak]

i like the 3rd burst vigil

[unreal bone]

Yo when does the shop reset

This Thursday or next week

[tough tiger]

this one, i think?

[lucid herald]

next

[mighty willow]

I like maxxing out stamina so i can bash more often

[mighty willow]

This one i think, the last shop update was in march

Boy, do i wish there was a websote that tracked shop history and refresh rate like Fortnite or Marvel Rivals has

[unreal bone]

Someone told me they rotated it last week with the release of the update

Which means the next rotation would be next week

That true?

[mighty willow]

Idk bro, this shit too confusing

😭

[hybrid plover]

single round VA good

burst round VAs bad

I'm sorry but burst weapons that have enough recoil that the shots can't line up well just never feel good

Rather just use the semi auto and have the closest thing this game will give us to a DMR

[still igloo]

Hello fellow vets. Any advice on how to get the 'Long Bomb' penance? Thanks

[lucid herald]

Find group of idle enemies far away and arc your throw so that the frag nade blows up right over their heads

[still igloo]

Ty. Any spots in particular that are good for it?

[lucid herald]

Anywhere open I guess

Honestly not that hard to find

just be sure there's like 20-30 metres between you and your target

[still igloo]

Just got it on Mortis trials by accident with a smoke grenade lol

[lucid herald]

lmao with smokes

[dry cloak]

Take stopping power as a dump stat and dont move when you shoot

[still igloo]

ikr, no idea how it worked but im not complaining haha. Only 6 more penances on Veteran to do now

[dry cloak]

Which ones?

[still igloo]

just started a mortis round. I'll reply after!

[dry cloak]

Aye

[still igloo]

working on marksmans focus now

[dry cloak]

Its fun to use

[still igloo]

Adept Assassin, Be Methodical, Killshot Ready, Unseen Preadator, and the other two will be completed after i get the first 4

[dry cloak]

Everything is easy

Adept assasin and unseen predator can be done simultanously

[dry cloak]

Laspistol fucked up my aim cant aim heads with the revolver

[unreal nova]

Those are like, grindy ones though from memory.

[normal bay]

Killshot ready is one of the most irritating penances I've come across lol

The team probably thinks I'm deranged, hoping through areas and doing melee while crouched

Ratling gameplay

[dry cloak]

Killshot ready is farmable

On mercantile

[craggy goblet]

which penance is that,

[normal bay]

Marksmans focus

[craggy goblet]

what’s the criteria

does it give you like camo legs or smth?

[normal bay]

2500 kills at 10+ stacks of marksmans focus

[craggy goblet]

i remember doing something yesterday and getting some leg armor

oh nvm then

[normal bay]

If you move, you lose a stack

[craggy goblet]

sounds horrible

[tame lodge]

Infiltrator pants?

[craggy goblet]

idk

i just keep playing and get random popups saying i did something cool, here’s some pants

[unreal nova]

Let me tell you how.

H1 mercantile.

Crouch infront of door in the kitchen with another player killing specials.

Just melee spam for 50 mins.

Done.

Can be faster if bots don't keep ksing.

[normal bay]

You seem to think I know someone who would do that

Or suffer it myself

[unreal nova]

I literally turned on turbo on my controller to just light spam with trigger held.

[unreal nova]

You did it, didn't you?

I did it with the stealth stagger as well.

Just press the right bumper every 45 secs or so.

[normal bay]

Nope, only 4-500 kills in, needed to stop for a bit lol

Stealth wasn't so bad, just stealth and mag dump a horde

Your teammates will hate you but it is what it is

[unreal nova]

Err, stealth just required you to stagger.

[normal bay]

Suppression, no?

[unreal nova]

Yeah.

Which you already do popping out of it.

[normal bay]

[unreal nova]

Is why I did it alongside the other.

[normal bay]

Are you kidding me?

[unreal nova]

The melee hit breaks stealth and staggers everything near.

And since I took knoife...

They don't instantly die.

So hurp.

You literally don't need to shoot hordes.

Just pop out in melee near them.

I have them all but WS done.

Mostly cos I have a hard time aiming for heds in 6 secs.

I got the 4 consecutive hedshots using a recon so....

If you spray enough at a pogryn's hed, you will rng it somehow.

[fair river]

Are these stats gonna suck or am I safe to proceed with upgrades? too lazy to get a better one

[thorn lark]

gonna suck

stopping power is dmg

@tired egret

[unreal nova]

Trash.

Better to just dump thermal if you don't wanna gamble.

68 thermal 72 charge also works, but you gotta be willing to quick vent on last shot.

[fair river]

Got it

[unique orchid]

does deadshot work with plasma?

[tame lodge]

Nope

[sleek garden]

I got this by accident by just playing normally with an infantry lasgun

Turns out you can shoot people in the head

try infantry autoguns as well

[grand perch]

ive never tried but why wouldnt it work for plasma? other braced weapons work with deadshot

or rather, why doesnt it work

they should make it congruent with other braceds

[unique orchid]

i agree

[tame lodge]

Idk why it doesn't
But I know it doesn't

[gilded wraith]

It's excluded in the code for some reason. Deadshot Shocktrooper plasma would be fun. I'd actually like the no ammo on crit to be weapon independent.

[normal bay]

[grand perch]

i had the same thought recently

[faint beacon]

It would be incredibly overpowered

Is the issue

[unique orchid]

hey man veteran can have a little overpowered as a treat

[faint beacon]

As much as I want no ammo cost on bullet weapons

It shouldn’t happen

[grand perch]

psyker already has staves

[faint beacon]

Remember

These ahem “players”

Struggle at melee in all scenarios

[gilded wraith]

But what's overpowered look like now? Are the reworked ogryn and psyker the new benchmark?

[unique orchid]

this is why "veteran dies in melee" is on the bingo card, right next to "psyker blows up (pub)" and "ogryn gets lost"

[grand perch]

i vaguely remember they stated they didnt want talents that only apply to specific weapon categories

they could make shock trooper give extra ammo on ammo pickups for bullet weapons

synergy with survivalist

boom

[faint beacon]

Oh no psyker is far worse to dying in melee

It’s fucking hilarious

[unique orchid]

true

though psyker is far more fragile than vet baseline

[faint beacon]

Ogryn and Zealot are leagues tankier if we’re ignoring VOC

[tame lodge]

Psyker not so much
The tree still has some small problems
Now Oggy yeah that should be the standard