veteran-class

[coarse wolf]

yes

[wind grotto]

that was why people might of been saying it in chat history I mean to be clear

[frank basin]

this one said long time ago

[coarse wolf]

current survivalist is not capable of doing this

[coarse wolf]

"for bosses and o-shit 5 crushers in my face"

that's not horde

[wind grotto]

yeah those things are not hordes my man

[frank basin]

the survivalist nerf killed boltgun right there

is almost dead

and taking time recover

[coarse wolf]

bolter is some of the fastest boss killing in the game

2 mag normal monstrosities, 1 mag weakened

[wind grotto]

bolter is fine still, just not in havoc

[coarse wolf]

if done right

[wind grotto]

exec stance bolter is really fucking strong

[coarse wolf]

ye, 60% ammo reduction on pick up

[wind grotto]

it's just like nearly every other gun in havoc, the hp increases on enemies kill the gun

[frank basin]

i throw 1 ogryn frag to kill one reaper far away

does that count as wasting?

because nobody dealing ranged enemy

lot time players lock in melee

[wind grotto]

if thats an issue you commonly have as ogryn thats why you bring your non melee to be something decent at killing ranged

[frank basin]

GG

[wind grotto]

but yes thats a waste in most cases if you mean the giant ogryn frag grenade you can only carry one of

[coarse wolf]

single barrel stubber

[frank basin]

i use GG only stuff i had

[wind grotto]

yeah the achtlys heavy stubber is what you want

[coarse wolf]

i have been playing too much ogryn lately

[wind grotto]

or the gorg twin could make it work but would be a lot slower

[frank basin]

HStubber doesn't have melee bash, draw time is slight delay

[coarse wolf]

still better than twin

[frank basin]

every time i pull Hstubber it pull the bolt for delay second as i get hit by trash enemy after that moment

1-2 ish

[coarse wolf]

dodge the trash then

like

[frank basin]

that's easy to say

[wind grotto]

just pretend it's like you're playing with a helbore or something on vet and you need to make room first

[frank basin]

i done try make room clear before reaper draw gun out

but it wasn't on time

it would start shooting already

and i have stand here waiting trash enemy come

3-8 meter away

[coarse wolf]

not trying to be rude but dodging should be the easiest thing for someone outside of left clicking

[frank basin]

yes is eaasy then you get body blocked

after you dodge

which is annoying

[wind grotto]

if it was a lot of reapers I could understand but dodging a horde and a reaper should be pretty easy on ogryn since he knocks over poxwalkers with dodge now

[coarse wolf]

ogryn doesn't get body blocked anymore

[frank basin]

can i dodge through enemy?

causing them knock back?

[coarse wolf]

yes

[wind grotto]

on ogryn yes

[frank basin]

great

approved

[coarse wolf]

enemies get knocked down on ogre now and it's glorious

[frank basin]

on walk or on sprinting?

[coarse wolf]

now they need to make it so he can't get pinned by one dog

[wind grotto]

just dodge I think

[coarse wolf]

ye

[frank basin]

i think they not gonna add in

going to say as "breaking the concept"

[coarse wolf]

if they haven't yet they won't

[wind grotto]

he's making a joke because it's stupid the ogryn gets pinned by a dog that size

[frank basin]

i barely read jokes

[wind grotto]

because ogryns are as strong as space marines so it's just really laughable that a dog that size could pin him down

[frank basin]

i get that, if they capable doing it, it would favor too much

[coarse wolf]

mutants too lmao

[frank basin]

mutants strong muscule

[wind grotto]

the mutant I can at least in my head go whatever maybe his mutation is ludicrous strength but the dog is so funny

[coarse wolf]

who would win
the emperor's strongest man or one dog

[frank basin]

not to be rude/not to be disrepect people use this is want to be rude/disrepect.

i heard this a lot

bursting your bubble

[wind grotto]

I do hope they add CSM to fight at some point

[sharp widget]

Found a funny interaction. The Lethal Proximity Blessing affects Grenade Range. It also stacks with Grenade Tinkerer Passive. That's +50%~ Explosion Radius.

[frank basin]

we be dead anyway

[wind grotto]

because we're already fighting daemons as a boss that 4 regular dudes should absolutely not be able to fight, i'd be fine with shooting space marines

[wind grotto]

yeah thats been why people like running the bolt pistol since it was added

[frank basin]

armor be equal carapace mk3

[sharp widget]

I threw it at the Sniper for reference.

[sharp widget]

Welp. Time to build a Grenade-Centric Loadout :v

[coarse wolf]

this has been known

[frank basin]

go do on havoc

[coarse wolf]

it used to affect the crusher special attacks

[wind grotto]

it's fine to bring on havoc tbh

it makes the nades a lot better and even if you have to shoot twice on some enemies it makes up for it for staggering far more shit with the grenades you will be printing constantly anyway

[frank basin]

with stockpile and little sprinkle of demo team

[sharp widget]

... wait, so bringing it would've buffed an enemy?

[coarse wolf]

the zealot weapon crusher

[sharp widget]

Ah.

[wind grotto]

tbh that should never of been removed

it's not like it made the crusher top tier or anything

[coarse wolf]

it was an unintended interaction

much the same with bleed and uncanny strike iirc

[wind grotto]

oh I know it was not intended, but they should of went oh this is interesting and kept it in

[sharp widget]

Is Lethal Proximity's interactions with grenades intentional?

[coarse wolf]

probably not

[wind grotto]

most likely since it has not been changed

and it's been a hot minute since the gun was added

[coarse wolf]

this game has spaghetti code

[wind grotto]

yeah maybe it's not intentional and they just can't change it because it's a ranged weapon blessing lmao

[unreal nova]

Old news, been using that for ages.

I play 'nadier.

When FS giving oggy a dinky bistol?

[sharp widget]

Recently got back in when Mortis Trials was added, so didn't know this.

[unreal nova]

I want my nuke to cleanse the arena.

[wind grotto]

aren't really many options for a pistol an ogryn would use without crushing it I think

[unreal nova]

Is more a joke on it being a stat stick for my boomies.

Can be left in back pocket for all I care.

[wind grotto]

I know, it's just sad that the funny grenade won't the 20% increase ever

but also the less pistols the better imo even if they get weird intended or not uses like that

[unreal nova]

It's more funni than useful for nuke considering everything.

[wind grotto]

more pistols means more of the very slowly added weapon slots being used on something lame instead of a new interesting weapon

it'd make the box o' nades much better if it existed tbh

[stray rain]

is there any build with different weapon other than the pistol & plasma gun ?

[unreal nova]

Eh, pistols work. They better for WS than normal heavier guns.

[unreal nova]

Recon.

Double Barrel.

[wind grotto]

for havoc or what? outside of havoc you can use pretty much anything but recon is the only other real choice in havoc

[stray rain]

idk this one

[unreal nova]

Inf auto.

[craggy goblet]

been loving revolver and heavy las pistol

[unreal nova]

All pistols find use.

[craggy goblet]

but having recon for the first time

[unreal nova]

Shredder is more for Gunkers and Zealots though.

[craggy goblet]

oh by the throne the sheer mass of lasers

[stray rain]

the one that rely on setting enemies on fire ?

[wind grotto]

yeah you want infernus on it

but also it's just a good gun with good ammo efficiency

[craggy goblet]

dumdum and infernus or ghost

[unreal nova]

Blu is funni boss poof, green is very ammo efficient, brown cleaves.

[craggy goblet]

for las pistol

[stray rain]

las pistols are lame imo

[unreal nova]

Lies, Bolt Pistol is also used at times. INF 'nade spam.

[wind grotto]

he mentioned bolt pistol in the thing I was replying to my man

[unreal nova]

There's just so many elites and specials, you never run out.

[craggy goblet]

i just finished lvling my zealot to 30 with boltgun and relic blade and picked up vet

[unreal nova]

Oh, I know someone who brings hellbore and Double Barrel to higher havocs.

[craggy goblet]

so far, las pistol has been gun but tempted to run bolt pistol

[coarse wolf]

db in high havoc is based

[wind grotto]

you could make those work but they are absolutely not good choices for havoc, I guess helbore would never run out of ammo

[craggy goblet]

cuz BOLTER

[unreal nova]

30+ counts, right?

Considering the bs.

[unreal nova]

You don't even need ammo tins with it tbh.

Just let zealots or oggy take.

[wind grotto]

you shouldn't need them with a recon either tbh

[coarse wolf]

yes

db in 40 goes hard

[unreal nova]

Naw, recon needs ammo bags.

[wind grotto]

only if you're dumping on bosses which you should tbf

[coarse wolf]

recon las shouldn't be mag dumped

use it to stack burn

go melee

restack burn later

repeat until boss dead

[wind grotto]

yeah you stack burn max on all three fucking bosses that you fight every 5 minutes

[frank basin]

which marks?

[wind grotto]

but without mods its' real hard to know the max stack hit so you're going to just be dumping

[unreal nova]

I mean, I saw a H40 that was claimed to be lower than avg spawns. My fps was sub 40.

[craggy goblet]

i haven’t had the foggiest idea tbh, didn’t check it

i’m p new

maybe started last week?

[coarse wolf]

havoc has higher spawnrates now

[frank basin]

fast rof and slow moving while firing?

[craggy goblet]

[unreal nova]

I know, the others told me it was way easier than their usual runs. I believe them.

[craggy goblet]

i was too busy mowing down heretics in the name of the emperor to notice

[unreal nova]

Was scab only.

[coarse wolf]

I watched ainz disconnect 12 times in a 40 last night

JUST because of spawns

[frank basin]

they said in term of enemy hp and body mass, damage i think

in low havoc

[unreal nova]

Naw, amounts spawned on top.

We didn't have 5 bosses at once bs.

[frank basin]

like all level havoc spawn rate increase?

from 1 to 40?

[coarse wolf]

30+

[unreal nova]

Just one DC, assume lucky.

[coarse wolf]

ye

[unreal nova]

I just had CINEMATIC FPS every fight.

So 24 fps or lower.

[frank basin]

fire effect, horde entity

bleeding effect

that eat up your gpu

[unreal nova]

Looks down at flamer.

[frank basin]

having 6 flamer

flaming at once

frame drop

[unreal nova]

I might be a partial cause of it with my own flamer.

[unreal nova]

More, my cpu commit sudoku tbh.

[frank basin]

i only eat regular damnation over auric

[frank basin]

cpu like does perform task rather graphically

[unreal nova]

Also gets stressed on number counts more.

More entities stresses it as well.

And my cpu is ancient.

[frank basin]

the vfx stuff

is for gpu task

yes lot entity

are cpu ish

but how many of entity spawn in one area

[unreal nova]

Yeah, but I know the lag is a mix of both.

[frank basin]

of course

[unreal nova]

All I'll say is, FS wants you to buy a top of the line PC to play havocs.

Unless you consider stuttery 20 FPS playable.

[frank basin]

good thing i don't play havoc since last time on level 1

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/growth-profit-grofit-corpus-ambulas-gif-15630541

computer industry:

[unreal nova]

And not even low everything will save you.

Might be 30 fps then.

[frank basin]

potatos mods mode

[unreal nova]

So the horrible blocky wut L4D2 mod.

[coarse wolf]

3 whole polygons

[unreal nova]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2360567164

I mean that.

[frank basin]

cursed

let's play l4d2

[unreal nova]

Naw, it takes me 15 mins to boot up and verify mods.

And crashes so much lmao.

[frank basin]

how many mods you subbed?

i has few lots

[unreal nova]

IDK.

[frank basin]

not like 100+

i sub some gta weapon sound and characters

[unreal nova]

34 pages of mods.

[frank basin]

all subbed?

[unreal nova]

Yeah.

340+ mods.

Might be less since some are multiple parts maps.

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

i always unsub when too many mods install

just sub what i want

[unreal nova]

But then again, more cos some aren't workshop.

[frank basin]

i know toggle is a things but it overwhelm me with scroll down many mods

[unreal nova]

But I use most of them.

[frank basin]

so you manually install some mods outside workshop

[unreal nova]

The rest are maps or choice of replacement music.

[unreal nova]

Yeh.

[frank basin]

wilds

probably why i don't do manual install mods on games since i would have to update them every weeks or months

sometime maps like buggy and wait for arthor fix it

[coarse wolf]

vortex mod manager

[frank basin]

nexus doesn't have lot of those mods

[unreal nova]

I don't use that. So hard manual.

[frank basin]

gah, i play wynncraft minecraft for now

even so am waiting defiance to be release after 2021 shutdown

[craggy goblet]

i do wanna download numeric ui but idk if it’ll crash

[frank basin]

you want mod server? or you want directly install numericUI

[junior grail]

Any suggestions for an anti elite melee for Vet? No DS or PS, a lil tired of those haha

[craggy goblet]

i use nexus usually but if there’s a better place, sure

[frank basin]

mod server can help you if you worry crashes

[craggy goblet]

[frank basin]

i think numeric ui won't crash but since there's error after nightmare and vision update

[craggy goblet]

cuz i just started when mortis dropped

[unreal nova]

Knoife with crits. Oh, Combat Axe.

[craggy goblet]

or smth

[unreal nova]

Rashad to be exact.

[craggy goblet]

like march 25th

[frank basin]

i see

[barren nimbus]

What is the point of stamina on veteran again? I dont run +3 stam on any other class and seem to do fine

[frank basin]

stamina is depend how you use them

[serene bough]

i use bc mk6 knife push attack is best single target dps for the weapon

but ultimately i take stam for defensive purposes

[frank basin]

it can be meme for deadshot

3 +3 stamina curios

[serene bough]

even after the buff i refuse to use deadshit

[barren nimbus]

does stamina affect hipfire bloom

[frank basin]

bloom?

[serene bough]

no

[barren nimbus]

Hmm, maybe I should stop runnning stamina then

cause it doesnt even affect dodges

[tall torrent]

u can't hipfire if u are using ads/brace

but it can reduce brace fire's spread

[heavy rover]

Can confirm. Am deadshot memer. It's hilarious

[frank basin]

more critty for me

[heavy rover]

I can commit the cardinal sin of shooting straight at hordes and not feel bad about it

[serene bough]

one 3+ stam curio is recommended imo

[barren nimbus]

thats what I run but why

[frank basin]

do on havoc

[serene bough]

and one of the 0.25 stam reduction delays

[heavy rover]

I do exactly that

I've yet to run out of ammo

[frank basin]

i run psyker block meme

deflector and kinetic deflection

with all stam block effi*

[serene bough]

deadshot aside its overall better to bank into stamina for defensive survivability, not necessarily specific to veteran

if you use a weapon that uses push attack a lot its also advised to take

[heavy rover]

What's even better is stacking focus target for stamina regen so deadshot memes go brrrrrrt

[frank basin]

i love that you saying

[serene bough]

also further recommended that you build your curios around stamina regen/efficiency imo

[heavy rover]

Never need to worry about shooters if you throw enough lasbolt shots to keep them pinned

[frank basin]

yeesus

[heavy rover]

10/10 would recommend

[frank basin]

gonna make that build

shenanigan

[heavy rover]

Do it

[frank basin]

just lacking mats

and money

i would

[serene bough]

do u want to borrow some of mine

[frank basin]

I wish 😔

[serene bough]

i dont know what to do with my mats anymore

[heavy rover]

Meme builds

[frank basin]

mats donation we need it fs

[heavy rover]

Like a bleed vet build with knife, shredders, grenade tinkerer, and bolt pistol with lethal proximity

[frank basin]

very memeful of you

[unreal nova]

Why is everyone copying my horrible meme builds now?

[frank basin]

just me, don't worry

it work fine

i run with my friend malice or heresy once with that meme build

[heavy rover]

Also use twin blasts and send a prayer to RNGesus

[unreal nova]

I want to add more stares to stuff, WHY CAN'T I?

[frank basin]

fs didn't let us have fun

gw restriction lore

[unreal nova]

It should on lower diffs.

It makes vent kinda useless though, but who cares. i can do minislab nonsense.

[frank basin]

i use bubble instead

i push stagger crusher and rager like normally

[unreal nova]

I just have vent since it was more for DH tanking with MM.

Having a emergency vent if the other psyker isn't good is nice.

Cos trying to quell inbetween at high ping is risky.

[frank basin]

i use seer presence, and bb +kf

you have trouble gameplay ping?

[unreal nova]

I help ppl on other servers. 300 ping is normal.

I let them pick servers because I usually deal with lag better than most.

[frank basin]

i see

guess mine is not like your

[unreal nova]

Also, don't wanna deal with ppl complaining about lag.

[frank basin]

i play damn / heresy normally with this meme build

right

well if you're in euro

and they in Asean

[unreal nova]

I am not.

APAC.

Central.

[frank basin]

Asia pacific asia central

like philipine/malay region?

[unreal nova]

Singapore.

[barren nimbus]

whats the best chainaxe build and when do you special attack with it

[frank basin]

i see

[frank basin]

the mk12/XII push attack poke does great damage

chainaxe suffer armor damage

you could stagger crusher head with it

[unreal nova]

If you use the less sticky one, YOu rev and heavy muties to gib them in 1 rev.

Works even in Havoc 30+.

[frank basin]

and 40 too?

[unreal nova]

IDK. I did 40 once and it was 2 oggies 2 zealots.

[frank basin]

so no chainaxe

[unreal nova]

I refuse to go into H40 ever. My FPS was like 24 all the time.

Cinematic gameplay.

[frank basin]

i see

[serene bough]

only melee i've brought into H40 was knife

[unreal nova]

I know someone who has done up to 34-35 with ChainAxe though.

[barren nimbus]

do you just like ignore crushers with a knife

[unreal nova]

Double barrel ChainAxe even.

So uhhh... Yeh.

[unreal nova]

You poke them in the hed like 6 times.

[serene bough]

knife is great for crushers

uncanny strikes stupid good still

[unreal nova]

Backdodge even works against them with knoife.

You get flung far enough the hammers don't hit.

Or just use DS4.

3 pokes, ded crusher.

[frank basin]

some people here said ds4 need nerf because it's a no skill use

braindead they call

[serene bough]

DS4 is very much the most blatantly overpowered melee weapon atm

[frank basin]

mobility and uncanny

[unreal nova]

Well, if you know my Zealot, you know why I say 3 hits ded on a build where I take literally no real damage buffs.

[barren nimbus]

pickaxe on ogryn probably is

[serene bough]

pickaxe is strong but nowhere near as broken as DS

[frank basin]

the one heavy strike down pick one

does huge damage on mutants headshotting

[unreal nova]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e23cfb2-48b1-4603-841a-7dfd8cb84798/kittehs-h40-aurabot

[serene bough]

it just hasnt been tuned properly to the talent tree update and being moved over from psyker to vet & zealot

[unreal nova]

This 3 pokes H40 crushers.

And it's more an aura book bot than actual damage build.

Assuming you hit the hed all the hits with crits.

[frank basin]

@serene bough suggestion?

[pseudo fiber]

Fake disregard.

[unreal nova]

I should rename it to H30+ aurabot.

It was named like that cos I used it for H40 1.0.

[serene bough]

I prefer sprint efficiency or block efficiency

[unreal nova]

You got scammerz.

[serene bough]

some people dont like block efficiency but i think its great for when you're blind sided by ragers

[unreal nova]

410 or bust for +3 stam.

Otherwise, Melk scammed you.

Don't waste more resources on it till you find a better one.

[frank basin]

these are old curios

i have a lot left over curios

[unreal nova]

Still.

410 or bust.

That's a +2 in a real game.

[unreal nova]

You can test yourself.

I'm only talking about Stamina.

Rest don't matter.

[frank basin]

you taking cole advice

[unreal nova]

I tested every free 400 +3 stam.

They are all +2 in sedation diff.

Psykhanium claims +3.

But as said, test in a real server match.

I am not taking his advice.

I literally tested them myself.

[serene bough]

currently using this

i may change my perks a little bit later though

but generally i value stamina related perks

[unreal nova]

Feel free to disbelieve me or something.

I have literally no reason to lie about such.

[serene bough]

i never noticed this

not saying you're wrong but i never thought to check

[frank basin]

reading that giving me someone give arguement meaning they win arguement

[unreal nova]

I mean, it's something you can easily test yourself.

Go psykhanium and count the pips, go into any normal sedation game and count them again.

Why sedation, you are unlikely to ruin any game and such.

Cos ded diff.

It's just being polite to randoms who don't expect someone to just join to check and leave.

[unreal nova]

Because to some, it won't matter. To others, especially ppl who use low stam weapons, +1 pip is a big deal.

More so on Vet tbh. The stam delay is crazy long.

Psykers don't care cos they can just dodge slide with a profit to stamina.

[serene bough]

yeah its good to know

but not really relevant to me bc my stam curio is 420

[unreal nova]

But it is to them.

They seem to be using a 400 and even changing stuff on it.

[unreal nova]

You can see from this.

[serene bough]

i agree

[unreal nova]

I honestly wished they just fixed it to show the truth.

Is like local numbers are rounded up.

but on real servers, they get rounded down.

Is also why any weapon you find with All 80 and 1 61 is bad.

It's actually 1 point short of perfect.

One of the 80 is actually a 79.5 and the 61 is a 60.5. They get rounded down to 79 and 60 in a real game.

It's obvious if you get the 79.5 on ammo on a combat shotgun.

You literally lose 1 round in the clip over that 1% diff.

[frank basin]

does this saying that everyone will never get 400 stamina?

[unreal nova]

As for how i know that 1% is a big deal, I blame Hadron bricking my first combat shotgun.

[frank basin]

because i think people is following stats-wise

[unreal nova]

You look for 410+ +3 stam.

Anything below are fakes.

They are +2.xx

[frank basin]

extreme case someone will tell the person in-game they have bad loadout the person either leave or vote kick out

[unreal nova]

But the text box rounds them up to +3.

[frank basin]

just some 400 curios stamina or imperfect stats

[unreal nova]

Most people don't care unless you play havocs.

[frank basin]

chances i would get kick out not having 410 stamina

[unreal nova]

And even then, it's the 20-30 where they scrutinize everything.

Higher depends on the other player skill.

If it's like Hamdol, he gives no dook. Just follow him tbh.

[frank basin]

i don't get it hamdol thing

[unreal nova]

But if you only play normas and aurics, nobody cares.

One of the godgryns on the server.

[frank basin]

dev didn't bother solve rounding error in server?

[unreal nova]

They did.

It rounds down in real games.

But the local UI rounds up.

[frank basin]

never like a person want teammate have perfect stats maximize items

[unreal nova]

Don't ask me why, blame FS coding.

[frank basin]

even i look 400 +3 stamina

[unreal nova]

I'm just OCD.

[frank basin]

round down +2

[unreal nova]

And to be fair, I will point it out because it's a lie.

[frank basin]

okay its a lie, then someone learn this they might go extreme in my paranoid thoughts

[unreal nova]

If you rolled a 16% toughness, sure. It's not perfect, but it's what it states.

But stamina though.

[frank basin]

and 17% because is not 410?

[unreal nova]

THat +3 is not a +3.

[unreal nova]

I'll say this, Toughness and HP at any power lvl is accurate. Stamina is dooked. Wounds is always just a +1.

[frank basin]

fs watn us have hard time

they said "it's 40k no thing has advantages"

moto of No Hopes

[unreal nova]

Information is good. Even if they call it heresy.

[frank basin]

but i hate player who seeks perfection stats and exclude someone bring false stats in game

like you said 400 +3 is fake

no one want fake stats

i only had lot 400 rating is only stuff i had

@serene bough this good balanced? or something else like godroll maybe?

[serene bough]

its decent but try and dump mobility to 60% and keep the rest at 80%

[frank basin]

oh so knife mobility is dump

i thought ds and knife need mobility

[serene bough]

generally mobility is the dump for most weapons

[frank basin]

i could call this balanced stats then

[serene bough]

yeah it'll get the job done but if you want to godroll it go for 60% mobility

as long as mobility is above 51% you'll get the extra dodge

[frank basin]

my friend has weapon got 76% all 5 stats

fun

[serene bough]

pretty nutty stat distribution actually

never seen before in all my hours

[kind scarab]

Checks in randomly, Squirrel talking bout stuff being nutty

Checks out

[barren nimbus]

did they buff marksmans focus this patch

or was it always like that

[kind scarab]

Like what?

[barren nimbus]

seems better than I remembered

[serene bough]

a while ago they buffed the duration of keeping stacks before they fall off

but otherwise it hasnt changed much

[unreal nova]

No, always dump mobility.

If you really REALLY want to keep mobility, dump pen and rely on Uncanny.

For knoife anyway.

I'll argue to my grave about knoife stuff.

[frank basin]

I have uncanny and precog on it

[unreal nova]

As long it has Uncanny, I won't say anything else about blessings. Uncanny most important.

Rest is to taste.

[frank basin]

My friend mostly don’t give a shit about build & stuff

Something like stats wise weapon

[unreal nova]

Well, if he plays normals only, sure.

or mortis.

[frank basin]

He sort like “okay you carry my weight and suffer”

[unreal nova]

.-. Wow.

[frank basin]

His play least worse than my bestie

Since new go to the game

Only like 60 hour ish

Melee combating is meh his shooting is good

Like my bestie

Get caught by trapper, dog and get backshot

He most time said “where the fuck these coming from”

Last time he ask me am i rearguard or vanguard’s

Because I would have to protecting him and rest teammate

I’m busy killing putting threat down

His ass dying like least and most

[unreal nova]

Wow. Does he not hear specials?

[frank basin]

He do just not knowhere where they come

We use vc

That make why is distracted

Or paying attention

I told him multiple times about push and dodge back with pox boomer

Dodge left and right

I told him high difficulty require better reflexes

And situation awareness

[unreal nova]

Is true though. Higher diff needs better reflexes and even chain dodges at times.

[frank basin]

By time he using shovel for purely crowd control

[unreal nova]

But shovel mk 1 is CC?

Ppl dislike it at times cos it can't kill fast.

[frank basin]

I gave him community best perk he just like “mother fucker I didn’t not ask x y z I just want purely crowd control like one shotting zombies”

[unreal nova]

But it bullies everything that isn't a mauler or higher.

Just make him use a powersword.

[frank basin]

He does poke attack stagger dreg rager and crusher

[unreal nova]

Unless he never uses specials.

Then

[frank basin]

I told him power sword is good but suffer mobility

He keep shovel like krieg meme

He love helbore

[unreal nova]

The way you describe him, his mobility is 0 already anyway.

So not like it changes.

[frank basin]

He find vigil autogun is alright

I told him revolver zarona specific is good

[unreal nova]

It's... not great. Usable though.

[frank basin]

Since he’s much shooter anyway

I did told him vigil autogun suffer carapace damage

[unreal nova]

Consider it powercrept tbh.

[frank basin]

I talk a lot with blessing good and bad

He just doesn’t mind but take it

But a few

Asking perk and blessing

I always have scourge the path.exe document

Give to him

Not give entire

Just perk and stuff

When I said shovel best with maniac and carapace or flak he’s goes again “Looks I don’t care maniac right now I just want pure crowd control”

So yeah I gave him infested and unarmored

Then blessing same as skull crusher and decimator

[loud belfry]

time 2 try mortis and hope it's a challenge now

[mortal horizon]

Did they make changes already or you just haven’t tried it yet? It’s fun and cool but I seriously think needs at least double the enemy density

[loud belfry]

hotfix today changed things

"Mortis Trial Fixes and Tweaks
Pacing and difficulty for Mortis Trials - Tweaked enemy compositions to slightly increase difficulty.
Increased the amount of minions spawned for waves 7/8/9/10/11/12 to make the waves feel more dense.
Added more minion types for wave 12, increasing the difficulty slightly according to the player power spike.
Decreasing timer for all waves. It shortened the pacing overall, making waves faster and more intense."

[unreal nova]

.-. WHY??? Why even ask if you are going to push useless stuff. Also, Flak is always better.

[frank basin]

shit he want totally crowd control one shotting poxie and groaner

[unreal nova]

Sorry, GF poked me so yeah.

[frank basin]

i warn him about scab and dreg unit

[frank basin]

[unreal nova]

Then you go Flak and something else.

[unreal nova]

I have a girlfriend. She poked, so i replied to her.

[frank basin]

i don't understand

[frank basin]

she just type this message?

okay now I told him about skullCrusher and Decimator already kill 2-4 hit on them but he insist want one kill poxie and groaner

other thing is his weapon stats is like mid low

something 60% dmg of shovel

[unreal nova]

No.

I'm on call with her rn.

[frank basin]

alright

[unreal nova]

WHO DUMPS DAMAGE ON ANYTHING?

[frank basin]

no no not that

is early low level drop

like around level 20 he still has it

i think he got new shovel already

i don't remember what's stats looks like

[unreal nova]

Just use a higher lvl thing whenever, Unless the DMG % is much lower.

[frank basin]

he prefer weapon with crowd control melee

i told him rashad

he doesn't like it

since he used one low finesse

i told him stats are matter

higher they care, faster they go

[unreal nova]

I would say that as well. It also kills elites fast tbh. Shovel is still best CC generally.

[frank basin]

yet he want kill trash mobs one hit

[broken spade]

rashad is only really clearing crowds if you hit breakpoints with brutal momentum

[frank basin]

elities generally hes like "you do it"

[frank basin]

i did told him it pair good with BM

i explained to him bm mechanic

he followed so no hassle

right now he pick shovel as weapon he liked for cc

I don't think he give a shit about discord people

he never want use discord called cancerous platform

[broken spade]

not wrong tbh

[frank basin]

is it really discord are cancerous platform?

i think why hd2 official discord banned me over jokes

is really cancerous

[loud belfry]

probably an offensive joke to someone

[frank basin]

no it was drama with vomit react on furry art

i joke about it

and it ban me instead timed out

[loud belfry]

yeah that offended them

also people these days perma ban

[frank basin]

there was spam f drama that will ban anyone

like rip as f

[loud belfry]

they'd ban anyone who spammed f?

[frank basin]

yes

that included

everyone spam f

not single person spam multiple f

[loud belfry]

i guess i could understand banning for that

[frank basin]

i just simply said "Helldiver.. vomit react him" as Seer psyker voiced, There also helldiver vomit emoji drawing

[loud belfry]

though they should time out instead

[frank basin]

they should timed out all kind thing rather straight out ban

[loud belfry]

on discord they ban permanently as the default response

[frank basin]

being offended to vomit react is really glass broken

that drama any mention will ban

oh btw there also datamine will be ban so no spread sheet data like hp enemies and armor type

[loud belfry]

where are you from?

[frank basin]

why ask?

[loud belfry]

just cuz this is a common thing that happens among english speaking communities these days

[frank basin]

I rather keep it hide

[loud belfry]

that's fine <3

continent?

[frank basin]

nah

[loud belfry]

understandable

[frank basin]

anonymous

[loud belfry]

but yeah basically there's a lot of baggage with almost every action you take. people will assume lots of things about you based on little information.

and on discord banning is, by default, permanent. that might be the real problem

[frank basin]

is not might

it is real one

say like i join server ask verification some question like are you lgbtq supporter, if i say maybe i get ban

is crazy

[loud belfry]

yeah if bans were only able to be applied as 30 days but then you could go in and edit it to be permanent it would go a long way towards dissuading frivolously permanent bans

[frank basin]

discordian is lot of deluded people

[loud belfry]

the best two word phrase i can use to describe the issue you're running into is

"culture war"

[frank basin]

it was bad timing to join server

[serene bough]

I will say, aside from certain weapons like plasma, the desire to min/max stats every stat on a weapon feels very superfluous to me

[frank basin]

drama was there everyone talk about it

[frank basin]

he's go on his way

[serene bough]

its much easier now thanks to the crafting overhaul, but back when we still had locks i never bothered to reroll multiple weapons for the perfect distribution

[frank basin]

rather pick off gamelatern or discordian build base

i re-advise him about pathing the talents

[rough stream]

I tagged along with some ogryns in auric and the big men carpet bombed the shit out of everything. Is this normal

[serene bough]

i think the discord server is the best place for information related build crafting since anyone part of a game's official discord is already a turbo nerd

[frank basin]

3 box, have 3 more oggie means 9 box then bigger boom

[serene bough]

esp for vet Path's guide is a pretty handy reference

[frank basin]

he don't care about it anyway. Doesn't want cancerous platform

is hard to convince him join this server

[rough stream]

I know of the box, but they were using grenade launchers and gauntlet

[frank basin]

he primarily use tele

[serene bough]

to each their own, just my 2 cents that I trust the discord server over any other source for darktide information

[frank basin]

he rather use me instead

because he believe am the old player max level shit

[serene bough]

in a sense then, he is using discord as his source of info vicariously through you

[frank basin]

whenever i told him "just make whatever you want" hes like "no bullshit, i want you tell me which one is good"

[frank basin]

everyone so nerd they hated me

[loud belfry]

i think it's better he learns like that than that he googles or worse (worse in the sense that, if he goes on discord, he WILL get the best build) goes on discord and looks for the best possible build

[frank basin]

the "you need this efficient kill to maximize achieve killing one shot as this is fun or not"

[frank basin]

he don't give a damn about this

just using me instead

like carrying his ass

and suffer

[unreal nova]

If he demands dook and yet is no, I don't want X.

I honestly would just ghost him for being like that.

[serene bough]

well at the end of the day data is data, but people can interpret data and builds differently

[unreal nova]

Too tiring and I'm not paid by the hour to deal with it.

[serene bough]

so there's room for opinions and discussions

[frank basin]

data is data, i going biasly people going force data onto me as mandatory

[serene bough]

people tend to do that unfortunately

[frank basin]

which is i hated a lot

gale, cole, path, and other

data eater

[unreal nova]

I will only point at 400 +3 Stam.

I do not like it because a lie.

Also, toughness regen on curios.

That thing doesn't really do anything.

[frank basin]

talking about bad friend, i used to be silent to him when im upset hes like does same to me something like punishing.

He more of "am not soft"

[unreal nova]

So he blames you for everything?

[serene bough]

i wont point out any names, all im saying is even I have opinions that are not always agreed on by the broader community

[frank basin]

he blame me when i let him down in the game

[pallid jetty]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/infiltration-buff-idea/106645

20 viewes and 0 replies today, people just dont care about vet i guess

[unreal nova]

Oh, that sort.

[frank basin]

first time veteran hes like "is your fault"

later veteran hes does lesser

[unreal nova]

More, most people that care don't use FSforums.

[frank basin]

i told him lot time im too busy killing, i didnt protect him enough

[serene bough]

for example, I like block efficiency on my curios, and i think IIb iLas is best used w/ marksmans focus over other keystones

[frank basin]

hes like following me or I following him

[unreal nova]

The invis needs a better tell than a sudden donk jumpscare lmao.

But it's cool to have since can't aggrodump teammates if everyone is invis to strike.

[unreal nova]

Ah, he needs a babysitter. Maybe he can pay someone for that.

[frank basin]

when i play purgatus staff psyker i told my role is cc, when hes down and dead he said "cc my ass"

[unreal nova]

He already have 0 mobility.

[serene bough]

i think infiltrate suffers the same problem as marksmans focus, I.e. the sub nodes are not very useful

[unreal nova]

I assume he doesn't even have 300 ping lag as an excuse.

[frank basin]

nah hes has clean ping

hes in same continent as me

[serene bough]

i know people recommend taking the -90% threat reduction but i dont like taking that node

[unreal nova]

So yeah.

He bad, blames you for his bad.

[frank basin]

i got other friend told me same

hes always blame someone

[unreal nova]

That's just HARD aggro dump the node.

[frank basin]

but other friend doesn't

my other friend just "nah it's okay"

[serene bough]

yeah i dont like aggro dump

[frank basin]

aggro dump and kill them

[unreal nova]

IDK why you two still play with him then.

Let him play with pubs who don't give a hoot about him.

[serene bough]

i actually think infiltrate is a pretty solid ability but its just completely overshadowed by VoC spam

[frank basin]

he's the kind "I like offensive racist joke" kind guy

[unreal nova]

If used well, yes. if just to aggrodump, you (general term) suck with it.

[frank basin]

which is i been with him since remnant games

[unreal nova]

YEAH, I would ghost, no lie.

[frank basin]

i means he does help me get overcome with bad people, explain some people are like that asshole

[frank basin]

you never handle someone with free-mouth

[unreal nova]

Oh I have. I just don't wanna deal with them so they can just stay blocked.

[frank basin]

I do may have thin-skinned

well to me, he's not totally asshole, just average dude

who yap blame

like is not serious blame

just word of word

me and other friend just "xd" him

we played gta online one time

they both fight over shit idk

i was in factility prep the heist

they both killing each other

[serene bough]

lately i run infiltrate like this

[frank basin]

like playmate

[unreal nova]

SO PVP.

[frank basin]

what ever my friend said he wasn't meant for real

[serene bough]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b6a195f-4891-4c49-8aff-6dee24bb5d50/mg4-knife

there we go

[frank basin]

he just mad at something not actually blaming

that's why he doesn't want discordian platform because he know people use discord are softie

[unreal nova]

He needs to chill out. It's not havoc.

[frank basin]

it's okay, me and him not on havoc, i was oggie on heresy carrying him psyker level 1

[unreal nova]

He sounds like wet tissue though. How does he react to you calling his stuff bad and dumb?

[frank basin]

his death is lesser blame

[frank basin]

wdym?

i did tell his stuff weapon is bad need new tweak

which he did

[unreal nova]

He demands and choices for his stuff.

[frank basin]

he sometime in and out-kind behavior

if he try first time himself

[unreal nova]

Like, how infested and unarmored is usually a bad choice and such.

[frank basin]

well he just want purely cowrd control

so i gave him that

i suggest him flak already

[unreal nova]

The best is Flak/Maniac in general.

[frank basin]

because i told him about scab unit like brusier and bucket head dudes

[frank basin]

i did already he just doesn't care or want maniac even my mouth come out

[unreal nova]

Yeah, they wear flak.

[frank basin]

i saw him spam poke

on ragers

even crusher

and letting me kill them

as oggie

[unreal nova]

well, you do that to stagger ragers.

[frank basin]

like i said last hour ago; SKullcrush and deci already kill horde you don't need slap on top of extra 25 infested and unarmroed

[unreal nova]

I mean, that is how you do it. Though you attack between staggers.

[frank basin]

but he still tell me he want purely crowd control

i can't convince him after that

[unreal nova]

Why, that's already overkill.

[frank basin]

i let him keep it until he changed his mind

[unreal nova]

Just put flak at least.

[frank basin]

ik he want 1 shotting them

he use gun to deal elites

hellbore something

oh that time he use bayonet do melee instead swap melee

[unreal nova]

Just... let him play alone oine day. If he goes to higher diffs, I wanna see his suffering.

If you can't melee in this, you going to suffer in the long run.

[frank basin]

i told him "you could swap to melee for better rather stabbing with helbore is not really crowd control"

[frank basin]

he pick damn when level 28

[unreal nova]

But Bayonet melee is okay.

[frank basin]

he run okay

[unreal nova]

Depends on mark but still.

[unreal nova]

I played it at 22. So... If you are good, it's fine.

[faint beacon]

Regardless of build it drives me insane when i don’t see Tac and Iron picked LMAO

[frank basin]

im fine with damn as psylot

[unreal nova]

To be fair, I was on oggy and it's not my first rodeo.

[serene bough]

tac is overrated for infiltrate

unless you're trying to constantly get a 30% damage buff there's no need to spam infil on CD

[faint beacon]

It helps but it’s forced in the pathing to get Iron will which allows you to live far longer

I’m not tossing that out at all

[formal ice]

Chainaxe is better than chainsword

[frank basin]

don't worry about my friend, we don't play darktide a lot.

we together play random games

like myself and the ghost pointy hat racist guy

anyway im going valheim with him

[unreal nova]

Ah. Well, have fun then.

[faint beacon]

Also Tbf Infil instantly refills toughness

[serene bough]

well hunter's resolve somewhat fills that slot

with the ilas im using i lean more into the left side of the tree but you could definitely find ways to reach iron will

but i dont really bother with it unless i use VoC

[faint beacon]

I’m grabbing it no matter what cause it’s usually chaffe that tracks you from miles away that’ll land 1 stray hit

Cause the CAB + O4B combo makes you incredibly Tanky against ranged

Added the fact if you’re running Iron you can face tank a shit ton more

[serene bough]

well i dont really concern myself with range damage much bc im using Ghost blessing a lot

and if im faltering in melee I'd pop infil as a defensive, but otherwise i just try to play better

if i were to go down that path i'd rather grab demo team over iron will tbh

[frank basin]

gale is Iron man fan

[serene bough]

i dont know what this means

[frank basin]

Iron will user

or Iron man

[faint beacon]

Because it’s good?

Like insanely good

[frank basin]

yeah

you liked

[faint beacon]

I’m never passing up on it

[frank basin]

is like your life support

i would like iron will just on my machine gun build

[faint beacon]

Not really no it just helps with being able to deal with a chunk of enemies swarming you without having to dedicate your weapons to strictly giving you breathing room against 1 type of enemy

[frank basin]

i see

[serene bough]

I will say it's arguably a must pick when taking VoC

[frank basin]

that's what i have

[serene bough]

just bc the threshold at which you get 50% TDR is much larger

[frank basin]

is good with Duty & Honor

[serene bough]

but otherwise I wouldn't go out of my way to get it

[serene bough]

yeah VoC + Duty & Honor + Tac + Iron Will is just broken

[frank basin]

what Tac again?

[serene bough]

trivializes the game

-6sec CD on specialist kill

[frank basin]

ah that

[faint beacon]

I’m running MMF tunnel vision with CAB and O4B which is constantly keeping me capped above 75%

Shocked how little damage is taken with the exec stance build

[frank basin]

50% toughess dmg reduction

[serene bough]

id run tunnel vision too if i were using exe stance

[frank basin]

i uhh using meme of voc and mmf (without Duty & Honor for challenging)

[serene bough]

ty

[faint beacon]

It’s increasing overall toughness gained so it’s pretty fucking nutty for CAB post buff and O4B

[frank basin]

what's CAB and O4B this time?

[serene bough]

i only grab the main node for MMF when using iLas IIb since it pushes so many breakpoints

[faint beacon]

Catch a Breath
Out for Blood

[frank basin]

i love O4B

[serene bough]

havent tested MMF with other weapons

[frank basin]

is good for my MG build

[faint beacon]

Vigils

Try it with Killzone

[frank basin]

didn't killzone was told bad?

[faint beacon]

If you have surgical it 2 taps reapers

Not anymore

After its buffs

[frank basin]

huh

[faint beacon]

I’d rank it a solid choice now

[frank basin]

ill go see about it

[faint beacon]

It’s 15% ranged constantly till you get tagged by melee

[frank basin]

oh shit it changed

[faint beacon]

Which is admittedly seemingly small

But fucking huge for Vigils

[frank basin]

not take melee dmg for 8s is okay

[faint beacon]

Pushes its Breakpoints finally with certain builds

[frank basin]

did long shot changed?

[faint beacon]

No

[frank basin]

or is same?

oh

[faint beacon]

Still abysmal dogshit

[frank basin]

wack

[serene bough]

longshit and deadshit are trap nodes

which is a shame bc i really like ET right after longshit

[faint beacon]

Longshot is literally there just cause ET

An actually decent node

[frank basin]

LS tax point

[faint beacon]

Is in its pathing

CK and O4B honestly imo

Have more value

But ET is still pretty good

It’s just up against more flexible toughness talents

[frank basin]

60% TDR total with IW

[serene bough]

once i learned O4B applied to literally any kill I always pathed right

[frank basin]

and other 14% passive

[serene bough]

toughness on shredder grenade kills is so nuts

[frank basin]

i think is 74% TDR

[faint beacon]

Yeah that’s why I run O4B

It’s procs via any kill

Aka instant value

[frank basin]

mhm

[faint beacon]

Running a bleed knife you’ll get toughness from bleeding hordes etc

[frank basin]

funny

do have to add little more infested perk to make bleed more damage?

or 4 bleed stack is enough?

[coarse wolf]

uncanny + lacerate

[faint beacon]

FT/Lac/Serrated alone

Are enough to kill chaffe

[frank basin]

hmmm

[coarse wolf]

4 bleed stacks is not enough

[faint beacon]

Cause Unarmored don’t need uncanny to actively hurt with bleed

Everything else?

Yes

[frank basin]

so then with desperado boost crits does it need it?

if you run FT

[lilac stump]

Is there an effective build with for the Veteran with the Hellbore Rifle or is it more for meme/rp than anything else

[frank basin]

depend on mk

faster charge could go weight of fire and... im doubtful with armorbane

the hotshot if iirc

is for fast charge

slow charge maybe surgical and possible infernus

[narrow frost]

its effective, infinite ammo elite 1 taps

[faint beacon]

Helbore is playable it’s just weird

[narrow frost]

but is a bit klunky

klucky

hnmmm

[frank basin]

with shock-trooper yeah

[narrow frost]

words

[frank basin]

clunky*

[faint beacon]

It’s good just it’s draw time

Is seriously what holds it back

[merry gale]

easy, just never swap

[frank basin]

it need use "one motion" talent

[merry gale]

use the bayonet

[faint beacon]

So you have to commit to range or melee

Once you swap

[lilac stump]

I mean I feel like the bayonet is more effective than a lot of melee weapons for some reasons xD

[gilded raft]

That sound though... Like a squeaky fart in a pickle jar

[frank basin]

is good for single target

[faint beacon]

It’s a good get off me tool for smaller hordes

[frank basin]

not great for mass horde

[faint beacon]

But when the actual horde shows up

You should be either shooting cause your team is protecting you and you’re dropping the priority targets

Aka elites and specials

Or

Melee

[frank basin]

some team doesn't protect you just busy killing on other side

[merry gale]

nah, i will magdump the horde like every vet i see in my matches

[frank basin]

[serene bough]

as the god emperor intended

[lilac stump]

Mag dump the horde seems like a plan even though I have a slow fire rate weapon! let's go with it. and then don't forget to hoard all the ammo for you!

[frank basin]

i ping ammo
i press e

woops

[lilac stump]

I'm going to try a bit the hellbore. If you say it's a good Elite clearer, I just need to.. hit my shots I guess 😄

[merry gale]

usually if you run helbore you'll never pick up any ammo thx to shock trooper + surgical on ur gun

[frank basin]

ST + Sur is great

[lilac stump]

Nah just shoot 1 ammo on the ground and take that ammo pack 😄

[faint beacon]

I’d say try to path down for a build regarding it with either Exec or VOC and take Focus Target as your keystone

Shocktrooper will give you far better ammo economy if you’re running surgical (you should run it)

Worst case scenario

Check pins

There’s a guide stating exactly what you need for Helbys

[lilac stump]

Thanks for the info, I didn't think about checking the pins! my bad on that 🙂

[merry gale]

makes me think that now that i'm free from havoc i can actually go play helbore vet in auric

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-my-beloved-gif-22029076

[frank basin]

mael auric

[faint beacon]

Tbf Helbore is havoc viable

You just gotta lock the fuck in with reaction speed

[lean rune]

Is there a suggested mission for this?

[merry gale]

insane reaction speed to better shoot bulwark shields

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/lock-in-parasyte-hold-up-gif-6616384397279042321

[dry cloak]

hi intese shock troop gauntlet

[faint beacon]

Not necessarily just a build

[merry gale]

it's viable but it's like saying smaul is viable if ur good

[faint beacon]

Exec stance counter fire

[merry gale]

it sure is true

but it still sucks

[faint beacon]

I’m damn positive bulwarks can straight up make or break havoc runs depending on the timing

[narrow frost]

yes

you know the punishment wave for havoc?

[faint beacon]

The bulwark pack on their way to make damn sure you will not live the moment a few gunners and shooters are in play

[merry gale]

decent clutch attempt detected, send the 40 bulwakrs

[faint beacon]

Sandwich

Right

[narrow frost]

yes

if you back up too far

[faint beacon]

LITERALLY LMAO

[narrow frost]

it spawns 10ish bulwarks

[faint beacon]

Clutch?

[merry gale]

on some maps it can trigger like 1 room behind

[narrow frost]

and like 5 reapers

[faint beacon]

Send in the bulwarks

[merry gale]

better not backtrack 1 room...

[narrow frost]

Speaking of clutches

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1277677568702681128/1356489041247211700/6CEFF51.MP4?ex=67ed691d&is=67ec179d&hm=f2ddc293702de00deb8f626621d6603c898d0012561f62d3e67e67caef50fe99&

gale if you have time

5 min clutch

[faint beacon]

Zey are trying to clutch?

[narrow frost]

hav 40

[faint beacon]

Send zee bulwark horde

Might not but I’ll see

[narrow frost]

The servers were lagging the entire time

[faint beacon]

Worst case I’ll check on break

Extreme copium Ainz but

[merry gale]

servers got very bad last few days

[faint beacon]

Is a Exec Vigil possibly

Havoc viable

[narrow frost]

hmmm

[merry gale]

doing h40 and having to input 4 times to switch ur weapon is very cool !

[narrow frost]

I was considering