veteran-class

[trim badger]

Fatshark code so that we can easily add each other when we join vcs

[frank basin]

fatshark code

[teal marten]

Oh okay

[faint beacon]

I mean like shooting it in the head before garden pops seems reasonable enough

[unreal nova]

Fatshark friend code.

[teal marten]

How do I find my fat shark code

[vernal trench]

Its way more fun when u get no golden toughness and bubble but itll never be challenging when u 4 stack

[trim badger]

You just hate me because I love Saltzpyre

[unreal nova]

Social, find player.

[trim badger]

Wraa

[teal marten]

Alrighty

[tall torrent]

Nah
I hate broken items

[teal marten]

Dueling sword is cool

[trim badger]

Said the power sword user

[tall torrent]

Whether that be ability, blitz, weapon

[vernal trench]

No

[tall torrent]

I don’t like it either

[teal marten]

Yes

[hybrid plover]

why does it feel like I just get really particularly good results with the shovel

[vernal trench]

Nop

[pseudo fiber]

DS nerf is going to be a very interesting day

[hybrid plover]

I genuinely love it so much.

[vernal trench]

Hell yea

[trim badger]

You're aware that I'm still gonna use DS even if nerfed right

[teal marten]

Yope

[faint beacon]

Psyker cope

[unreal nova]

You input others code there as well. Your code is under your name.

[trim badger]

I just love poking faces

[faint beacon]

Will be insane

[trim badger]

Headshot headshot headshot

[tall torrent]

In auric? It’s alr
In havoc u sorta have to run a meme grenadier build for shovel to be good

[teal marten]

Sapper shovel is terrible

[vernal trench]

Would be good if u cant kill everything in like 2 hits

[pseudo fiber]

See what Path said though
Havoc viable

[vernal trench]

N from a crazt distance

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[vernal trench]

N stagger them

[supple stag]

Mk1 shovel is a baller

[tall torrent]

I wish

[hybrid plover]

Yeah I was running mk1 with skullcrusher, uncanny and bolt pistol with lethal

Synergizes really well for Havoc

[tall torrent]

I don’t like vet’s lack of choices in havoc

[trim badger]

Hey as long as I can consistently most of the time 1 shot gunners if built for it and stagger ragers I'm satisfied

[frank basin]

mk1 shovel is what my friend use for crowd control purely

[vernal trench]

Crazy op

[hybrid plover]

But yeah I guess it's a very limited pick tbf

[tall torrent]

Nah
No 1 shot any elite with duelling sword

[faint beacon]

The issue is as well if these weapons get buffed then it also buffs Zealot and Psyker

[vernal trench]

That stagger is just a plus on top of why its already broken

[tall torrent]

Nerf it by that much

Max 950 damage per heavy atk weakspot hit without crit

[trim badger]

me when I hate fun

[tall torrent]

[tall torrent]

Me when I want a balanced melee

[vernal trench]

Ds isnt fun

[hybrid plover]

DS is not fun lol

[pseudo fiber]

I think you should start taking damage the more pokes you do

[hybrid plover]

Shit is boring

[vernal trench]

Play somethinv wlse if u wanna have fun

[trim badger]

I do tho

[vernal trench]

Good

[tall torrent]

Me when I want the least complex melee in the game to not be broken

[vernal trench]

Fuck the meta shit

[tall torrent]

DS has less complexity than Rashad

[frank basin]

run taxe in havoc then?

[hybrid plover]

It's so brainless.

[unreal nova]

Just use something else then.

[tall torrent]

A truly remarkable bar to pass

[pseudo fiber]

We need a new weapon yesterday jesus hahahah

[trim badger]

Make it suck dick against carapace and nerd the mobility

[unreal nova]

It's a choice.

[trim badger]

That's one solution

[vernal trench]

No

[tall torrent]

Nah
Nerf damage across the board and mobility

[hybrid plover]

It's a choice that unironically affects other players at times.

[tall torrent]

[faint beacon]

Fatshark then responds

Ogryn Ogryn

[vernal trench]

Nerf the stagger

[faint beacon]

Zealot

[tall torrent]

I alrdy told u what I’d nerf for it and every one is fully justified

[vernal trench]

That stagger is what makes ds so op

[trim badger]

Then make it like in VT2 that requires PA to clear horde

[unreal nova]

Oggies got so overbuffed so....

[tall torrent]

Sure
Rest still apply

[trim badger]

Idk, I just want poking sword not suck dick but not be OP either

[hybrid plover]

Yeah like

[vernal trench]

Nerf damage

[frank basin]

waiting oggy get talent nodes nerf

[hybrid plover]

I don't want them to nuke it.

[trim badger]

Is it that a lot to ask?

[vernal trench]

Nerf stagher

[hybrid plover]

But as it stands, it's just dumb strong for no reason.

[tall torrent]

No

[vernal trench]

Why dont we just delete ds actually

[hybrid plover]

Why is a tooth pick better at taking out elites than a massive, electrically charged hammer?

[unreal nova]

Tll they nerf oggies update, honestly... it matters not.

[tall torrent]

Already in people’s inventory, would be a massive hassle

[vernal trench]

Problem solved

[frank basin]

remove all cross board class use ds only psyker exclusive use then.

[trim badger]

I don't think anyone disagrees with that it shouldn't be that good against carapace yes

[vernal trench]

Not my problem

[unreal nova]

Most ppl just play Oggy atm and well, Knoife mk 4 is DS4 but not.

[trim badger]

Most would agree it should be made Bad against carapace

[vernal trench]

Yea im fine with that

[tall torrent]

Yea, not your solution either

[vernal trench]

Fatshark will never do that anyway

[trim badger]

Cuz it's a cool weapon archtype :(

[vernal trench]

Will be funny tho

[tall torrent]

Nah
Boring weapon type with zero complexity

[vernal trench]

Its so noticibly op against literally anything its insane

[faint beacon]

The argument of just keep it psyker exclusive

Is the most boring

[hybrid plover]

I find it hilarious that people suggest moving it back to psyker like it wasn't already busted on psyker to begin with though

[frank basin]

we are minority voices anyway

[unreal nova]

Honestly, keep uncanny as is, nerf base cara damage.

[raw needle]

they can remove blessings from it

[hybrid plover]

Even before the rework, that thing was busted.

[faint beacon]

Copium response ever

[trim badger]

I said archtype not the fucking execution of the sword itself aaa

I love Rapier on VT2

[faint beacon]

Cause it’s still beyond fucking busted

[unreal nova]

Will make uncanny a forced pick over ppl running precog or thrust.

[trim badger]

It's poke poke poke

And it's not OP there

I want the same here

[faint beacon]

It’s just a Majority of psykers are ass at melee

[hybrid plover]

Here's a suggestion.

[trim badger]

A poke poke weapon that's not broken

[faint beacon]

Thus Didnt know it’s incredibly overpowered

[hybrid plover]

Mobility decrease. And armor pen decrease. There. It's still strong but not as strong.

[vernal trench]

Nuke it to the same level as the shredder autopistol

[tall torrent]

No, already on people’s swords

[raw needle]

they removed blessings in vermintide

so they can do that

if they wanted to

[frank basin]

how much % yuo want descrease mobility? i say 40% decrease

[raw needle]

(they should)

[unreal nova]

At the risk of a mass bad review.

[vernal trench]

Or just nerf damage nerf stagger nerf rending

[tall torrent]

Not enough

[raw needle]

might as well buff it then if you're afraid of people review bombing

[trim badger]

replace rending blessings for bleeding blessings

(joke)

[unreal nova]

Wasn't that why Oggy is so broken rn?

[vernal trench]

Shitters try not to review bomb impossible challenge

[hybrid plover]

I'd say put it at the level of a devil's claw. Would be reasonable. Maybe make the heavy pokes not as fast. Decrease the stagger value on the special.

[unreal nova]

I literally was typing in chats while doing that solo run.

[frank basin]

back to helldiver situation

[hybrid plover]

Because there is no reason a special that can instantly be inputted through a combo should be able to stop a crusher in its tracks the way it currently can.

[trim badger]

As long as the stagger doesn't affect maulers/crushers/reapersbut still affects ragers/gunners I'm happy

[vernal trench]

Which one

Helldivers nerfs were absurd thats pretty justified

[frank basin]

the one mass review bombing happen most time

[raw needle]

even if it didnt have that special it would be just as broken

[tall torrent]

No special atk stagger on rager without weakspot hit

[hybrid plover]

I think the fact that it can do it so safely is one of the biggest problems with it

[faint beacon]

Gutting guns into uselessness

You love to see it

[hybrid plover]

Really that's the biggest issue with the DS in general.

[trim badger]

I'm okay with this

[hybrid plover]

It's just... so safe.

[vernal trench]

No stagger entirely

[trim badger]

I mean we can always nerf mobility as you said

[raw needle]

its safe while being able to deal upwards to 18k damage per hit

so is knife

[tall torrent]

And change its dodge template to default instead of ninjafencer override

[raw needle]

and has agile

[unreal nova]

You might as well give it another special then.

[raw needle]

why does agile exist

[trim badger]

I'm okay with this

[frank basin]

decrease ds mobility like 35%?

[vernal trench]

U throw it away

Thats the special

[tall torrent]

And nerf heavy poke atk damage to scale up to 950 on weakspot without crit against all armor types

[raw needle]

uncanny should be straight up removed from the game so we could have a healthy weapon balance without having to make every weapon an all rounder

[frank basin]

fs intended

[tall torrent]

And nerf uncanny strike to up to 20% at 5 stacks

[frank basin]

they will add more shit when no one asked

[tall torrent]

And nerf light atks’ cleave damage distribution to be 0 after 2nd target

[frank basin]

and that shit going be overpower first time

[trim badger]

Why nerfing the cleave tho

[tall torrent]

And increase push atk’s cleave damage distribution

[trim badger]

If anything cleave needs a buff

[tall torrent]

U wanted to buff PA

[tall torrent]

No

[trim badger]

Buff both aaaa

[vernal trench]

No

[hybrid plover]

Cleave really doesn't need a buff lol

[tall torrent]

Cleave unchanged

Cleave distribution nerf

[raw needle]

poke bounces off carapace like recons do

[hybrid plover]

The fact that it cleaves as it currently does with how good it is at single target to begin with is one of the things that make it so busted

[raw needle]

[hybrid plover]

Like it's not the best at cleaving through hordes.

[tall torrent]

Can’t hear a DS coper’s pleas sorry

[frank basin]

do mk1 shovel special poke stagger crusher? it wouldn't make sense the veteran strength is massively stagger a crusher.

[hybrid plover]

But it doesn't have to be when you can just immediately poke a crusher and one shot it in the middle of it all with uncanny stacks

[trim badger]

You're saying like if I want it to be broken

Smh vet players

[raw needle]

even if it had 0 cleave it wouldnt matter cause
psyker exists
vet has infinite hordeclear nades
zealot has flamer & knives

[tall torrent]

Not a single change I’ve suggested is overboard

[hybrid plover]

yeah so even doing that doesn't really fix the problem

[trim badger]

"he disagrees with one of my 999 nerfs that means he's a DS coper grrr"

I'll strangle you

[faint beacon]

The DS is beyond busted

Lmao

[raw needle]

extremely mobile & extremely high damage

pick one

[tall torrent]

Nah, it should not be good at light atk vs horde whatsoever

Nerf it into oblivion

[trim badger]

Not much is going to be lost tbh

[tall torrent]

I’d be ok with buffing heavy atk finesse

To make crit better vs single target

[faint beacon]

No it NEEDS to be Psyker exclusive

[tall torrent]

But it needs to be flat out the worst at horde by a very significant margin compared to be every other melee weapon

[faint beacon]

Cause psyker needs more buffs for

Some fucking reason

[hybrid plover]

NO GUYS YOU DON'T GET IT

[trim badger]

As long as the sword still keeps the feeling of playing Saltzpyre with Rapier I would be happy

[hybrid plover]

PSYKER NEEDS THE DUELING SWORD

[raw needle]

the only correct way to balancing the ds without making anyone upset is bullying ds users

[hybrid plover]

IT'S SUCH A BAD CLASS WITHOUT IT

[frank basin]

i don't know does great force sword on psyker is good over ds?

[hybrid plover]

like you guys don't understand.

[faint beacon]

Kid named Combat Knife

[raw needle]

and you dont seem to understand

[unreal nova]

It's better defensively if you run deflector, but loses to DS4 is terms of raw usage.

[tall torrent]

Psyker needs 80 nerfs to their broken kit

[hybrid plover]

/s by the way

[calm shard]

does this include my precious gun psyker

[tall torrent]

I’m not even being sarcastic

[frank basin]

the heavy attack on crusher is nice not too shabby, normally the fgs are for cc-archetype

[tall torrent]

Ofc

[unreal nova]

Deimos btw. IDK the Obscurus or so.

[calm shard]

darn

[hybrid plover]

Oh I mean for me.

[raw needle]

gunker is literally psyker at its most broken

[faint beacon]

Scriers is

[calm shard]

can't just go around chain one shotting things with deimos heavies

[hybrid plover]

Like, unironically, psyker with dueling sword has always been busted

[calm shard]

no shit, but it's also like hard so

[tall torrent]

Anyone that thinks EE is balanced on a class with high innate crit chance + true aim have lost their minds

[calm shard]

yeah EE is stupid

I don't really like it either

[unreal nova]

I'm talking purely for use against single targets. Deimos isn't great for hordes kinda.

[frank basin]

i find ds is much easier usage than deimos

[calm shard]

Ghost is one of the best blessings in the game, and Psyker just having it right there in the middle of their skill tree is dumb as fuck

[trim badger]

Actually it was after the update that massively buffed the heavy attacks ☝️ 🤓

[faint beacon]

Literally better Exe stance

[frank basin]

deimos i see is felt off then

[raw needle]

chat you dont understand psyker needs to be broken its the highest skill floor class.....................................

[hybrid plover]

Nope. even before that.

[coarse wolf]

ds is a no skill weapon

[raw needle]

i think they should buff assail one more time for good measure

[unreal nova]

Not quite, unless you mean FGS. Lul.

[hybrid plover]

It's been a problem.

[tall torrent]

I think psyker skill curve actually plateaus more than the other three

[coarse wolf]

so yeah

[hybrid plover]

This is why I was so worried about it going to the other classes.

[unreal nova]

Only thing FGS lacks is mobility.

[tall torrent]

Spikes at beginning, plateaus in middle to end

[coarse wolf]

even then if you have fgs you have scriers

[frank basin]

ik, i try deimos the combo poke i have hard time to get combo right i keep do heavy heavy slash attack and poke instead light poke and heavy poke combo

[faint beacon]

Such ass… managing a meter and having slightly less toughness

We should buff it

[calm shard]

yeah gun psyker can only be so hard when none of the threatening melee elites are well...a threat to you

[trim badger]

I'll fight the entire world if needed but I like DS as a concept of a weapon

[calm shard]

and you have high crit rate that dodges enemy gunfire

[raw needle]

we should also make dome vent all of your peril

moving should also vent peril

[hybrid plover]

I mean I do too. DS is stylish.

[raw needle]

or build peril

idk

[calm shard]

as soon as you're good at not getting hit in melee all the damn time that's kinda it really

[trim badger]

"waaa it's just constant aiming to the head with straight attacks" so???? It's cool

[raw needle]

sliding vents peril

typing in chat vents peril obviously

[calm shard]

you have absurd damage and excellent weapons so just one shot every melee elite (or stagger bulwarks with force swords lmao)

[unreal nova]

Nerf current SG vent to 10%, Make bubble and wall vent 10%.

[frank basin]

ds is no brainer so i use it, because my brain is been on reflexes output than memorizing combo pattern @coarse wolf

[calm shard]

clear hordes ridiculously fast, and you're always critting so you don't get shot either

[unreal nova]

Very fair all three now have the base vent.

[raw needle]

at least fgs with its insane st and hordeclear capabilities has a handicap of shitty mobility

[hybrid plover]

Fgs my beloved

[frank basin]

psylot my favorite weapon

[coarse wolf]

ds is no brain because you one shot everything

it needs a nerf

[calm shard]

and then Fatshark keeps buffing gun psyker build because Psyker players are the most dogshit talentless morons in the game

and gun psyker has an above average skill floor

[unreal nova]

Even when BB is the one needing a slight buff.

[raw needle]

fatshark dont know anything about their own game cause they legit said that assail is the weakest blitz

[hybrid plover]

When I saw that Scrier's quells peril now

Like... what?

Why?

[frank basin]

yeah yeah one shot this and that, that's zealot useage, i only need 2-3 shot on crusher head and killing elite close range fast. Is not capable horde clearing with my purtagus staff build.

[unreal nova]

Same. Is like what's the point of Vent now?

[hybrid plover]

Oh don't get me wrong, there's a point to vent

[raw needle]

also for some reason made pc proc off soulblaze

[hybrid plover]

6 soulblaze stacks on ability use is really strong.

[raw needle]

so it can chain indefinetely without having to run smit

probably a bug

but still

[unreal nova]

but that is 2 points. SG gets it on baseline.

[raw needle]

the only good change in the ogryn update for psyker was making their game crash for running mettle

[hybrid plover]

You know what, fair.

[unreal nova]

If they made the 50% vent a tax node, sure.

[pseudo fiber]

lol

[hybrid plover]

I concede to that.

[coarse wolf]

that's everyone usage

it is OP

[frank basin]

so what? you want me use deimos and delete ds?

[hybrid plover]

also, assail is weird cuz

Only reason people don't really use it much, is because of Psykinetic's Aura.

[frank basin]

im going get struggle get correct deimos poking combo pattern

[raw needle]

mfw psykinetic aura actually gets nerfed

from 5% to 4%

thank you fatfish

[coarse wolf]

use a non-crutch weapon :)

[hybrid plover]

They probably think it's the worst blitz because of its lower usage

[frank basin]

i don't get non-crutch weapon

[pseudo fiber]

They should take the target caps off the evis and give them to the purgatus

[trim badger]

Equips knife

[raw needle]

which is weird cause you always see psykers running assail

is it just me?

[hybrid plover]

But that's not the blitz. That's just how you guys made the tree to punish specifically assail.

[raw needle]

i see assail a lot

[unreal nova]

It's also currently bugged in sense. It doesn't home into the thing I alt fired, even if I'm aiming at the target's head the entire time.

[hybrid plover]

I've been seeing it more lately.

[raw needle]

pre patch i mean

[pseudo fiber]

That should be fixed soon™️

[frank basin]

i would have use ds if my team is shitty at killing

[coarse wolf]

i kill you

[hybrid plover]

Which hot take.

[frank basin]

if people aren't bad at killing, deimos i go

[hybrid plover]

I don't think Psykinetic's Aura should be in the game.

[coarse wolf]

and that is why you shouldn't use the crutch weapon

[raw needle]

remake dartktide from scratch at this point

port over all vermintide classes

rename the talents

voila

a better game

[coarse wolf]

dorn was actually yelling at me about using knife yesterday lol

[raw needle]

now with sliding ™️

[coarse wolf]

it really is just piss easy

[hybrid plover]

Or at least if it is, make it significantly less effective.

[frank basin]

im having trouble juggling left and right with sword using

[hybrid plover]

5% to 4% means jack diddly squat.

[coarse wolf]

this is what practice is for

[raw needle]

idk if helldivers scarred the modern game dev or fatshark are just delulu

it might be a bit of both

[hybrid plover]

Bit of both me thinks.

But then here's the thing.

That also doesn't check out.

[raw needle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-thing-marvel-rivals-here's-the-thing-marvel-rivals-gif-10489918399175350285

[unreal nova]

Well, more like the avg gamer wants an easier experience nowadays, but the tryhards wants soulslike.

[hybrid plover]

Because WHY DID THEY NERF THE BAYONET ON THE HELBORE

[trim badger]

Someone in the forums said "they did the same to Ogryn in the past with Bruiser, this is their warning for Psykers that it will get changed again in the future"

[frank basin]

no i do not have capable mentality expand my combo'in swords after i spent output my brain to perform situational awareness and reflexes gameplay. Im not that pro-gamer.

[unreal nova]

Can't please both crowds.

[hybrid plover]

I WILL NEVER FORGIVE OBESEFISH FOR THAT

[unreal nova]

Havoc annoys the casual crowd but is optional.

[raw needle]

as if there was a working cdr solution they implemented for 2 classes already......

hmmm

what might that be

[pseudo fiber]

It's both

[raw needle]

easier to balance out and doesnt scale with enemy density?? hmmmmmmmm

[coarse wolf]

havoc is not for casual players

[unreal nova]

DS4 and other easy to use weapons and skills annoys the tryhards, who wants everything to be weaker because they want it HARDER.

[raw needle]

5% to 4% nerf got it

[frank basin]

I find what combo is easier use over deimos

[raw needle]

im a goddamn genius

[hybrid plover]

That's not the issue.

[frank basin]

i keep it balance

[hybrid plover]

Lemme explain.

Say that I was trying to use kraks.

[frank basin]

I don't want do exessive mental gynasium

[hybrid plover]

I was actually talking about this a few days ago.

I throw a krak at a set of targets that's actually decently far.

[faint beacon]

The sheer psyker hatred in here brings a tear to the eye

[coarse wolf]

ds4 annoys me because it is simply too strong

[hybrid plover]

I think "hey this is gonna kill those crushers real easy"

[coarse wolf]

total psyker removal

[raw needle]

next patch is gonna swap all ds4 marks to ds5 silently

[hybrid plover]

and then some zealot charging in with a dueling sword just eviscerates them before the krak even goes off

[unreal nova]

To be fair, a fury Zealot is going to do the same.

[raw needle]

no mentions

[trim badger]

You call it a crutch for being OP when that's not what a crutch means tho

[hybrid plover]

THAT'S MY POINT

IT'S ANNOYING

[unreal nova]

Activate, fury, what crushers?

[coarse wolf]

that's literally what a crutch is

[unreal nova]

With relic.

[frank basin]

I use whatever weapon that assist me not killing entire team struggle killing bullshit scab spawn in non-havoc/auric

[coarse wolf]

a piss easy weapon that requires very little to use effectively

[raw needle]

rmemebr how vets used to shoot bb targets

[trim badger]

No? Does a real life crutch help you do stuff better when your leg is not broken?

[hybrid plover]

If a weapon is quite literally invalidating other build choices because it's that strong?

That's a problem.

[raw needle]

glowing head means shoot

the good old days of release darktide

[grand perch]

OP =/= crutch

[pseudo fiber]

I saw someone doing that yesterday fuck you mean release darktide lol

[grand perch]

its a crutch if the weapon holds you back on high skill levels

[trim badger]

The sole point of a crutch is that it's an easy but not very good weapon when you're good at the game

[coarse wolf]

OP == crutch

[raw needle]

no one is using bb rn are you MAD

[grand perch]

you know, like a mafrathon runner sitll using a literal crutch

[trim badger]

Objevtively wrong

[unreal nova]

So Zealots need a pointing at something ability as well.

[coarse wolf]

it's a crutch if you are unable to use any other weapon

[faint beacon]

Scriers just casually letting you delete anything in the game with DS

We just gonna ignore this

[coarse wolf]

knife and ds4 are crutches

[trim badger]

Thank you

[frank basin]

my philosophy about weapon usages is Put the threat down fast before it harm your team further.

[raw needle]

they should make mortis indulgences a paid one time buffs for regular runs

[frank basin]

there's too many thing i would have to protect my teammate

[raw needle]

like you pay 4.99 to get your brainburst to kill 10 targets at once for a game

[trim badger]

An OP weapon can not be a crutch

It can be easy but not a crutch lol

[unreal nova]

Watch as ppl pay real money to win games. Even havoc if they allow it.

[coarse wolf]

if a weapon is strong enough and easy enough to use that you cannot use any other weapon effectively, that is a crutch. that is the DEFINITION of a crutch weapon

[trim badger]

No that is not what crutch means aaaaaa

[frank basin]

gta sharkcard be like

[coarse wolf]

vet chat being denser than zeal chat is not what i was expecting today

[raw needle]

huh?????????

[calm shard]

Helldivers players with their flavor of the month crutch weapon that is "the only viable weapon on higher difficulties" this week

[unreal nova]

Or literally any mobile game.

[trim badger]

A crutch weapon is a BAD (or not good) weapon that helps players EARLY ON but prevents them from being effective on the HIGHER RANKS

[coarse wolf]

me using revolved only in diff 10:

[coarse wolf]

false

[trim badger]

How???

[narrow frost]

this is really good

[trim badger]

Why do you think it's called a "crutch"????

[narrow frost]

for solo and psyc testing

[frank basin]

i like the senator does heavy pen on strider

[narrow frost]

since that is offline mode

[trim badger]

It's based on the irl crutches

You don't run faster because you're holding a crutch

[lusty ether]

A 'crutch' weapon is any weapon that is generally considered 'too good' when used, irrespective of skill.

[trim badger]

You actually run slower if both of your legs are working

[hybrid plover]

A crutch only specifies that you quite literally need that thing to hold up.

Not that it's good or bad.

[lusty ether]

Terminology isn't literal copy of real world things.

You may notice, that when grinding, you are not literally grinding layers off yourself.

[unreal nova]

Eh, really bad players need it or they do nothing at all tbh.

[faint beacon]

Basically Majority of servers you’re in have latency

[coarse wolf]

crutch irl vs in a game are nothing alike

[trim badger]

Yes but you'll not hold up in a race while using a crutch that's the sole point

[faint beacon]

But Psyk has 0

[raw needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807809192537882647/1316346176244551702/togif-1.gif

[faint beacon]

Hence some attacks being immediate

[frank basin]

this chat is rotting me with talk about fun and unfun gameplay.

[hybrid plover]

But that's not because of the crutch. That's just because you can't do it.

[faint beacon]

Vs like in an actual match you could dodge them

[lusty ether]

Heavy laspistol best gun.

Shoot gun.

Goes boop.

Bad men fall down.

[frank basin]

combat shotgun

[unreal nova]

I just need to play EU and wheeeeeeee.

[coarse wolf]

guess what knife and ds4 only users require to play the game on higher difficulties

[raw needle]

where's the light laspistol at

[frank basin]

because i like shotgun generally

[lusty ether]

Heavy. Laspistol. >:[

[trim badger]

Having to carry a crutch even tho both of your legs are working is just gonna make you lose

[faint beacon]

Doesn’t exist

[lusty ether]

Combat shotgun does not go boop.

[faint beacon]

Explode

[lusty ether]

Not go boop is wrong.

[frank basin]

spam kantrael special ammo

[hybrid plover]

Smite being a really good example of a crutch that generally isn't "good"... until you use Empowered Psionics anyway.

[lusty ether]

Verboten.

[raw needle]

we have a heavy light laspistol and a heavy heavy laspistol

why not add a light laspistol that also has a light light laspistol and a light heavy laspistol

[lusty ether]

We have single cream laspistol and double cream laspistol.

[faint beacon]

Actively turning the game off for everyone else though

[raw needle]

as marks

[coarse wolf]

smykers get floored in havoc with purple and red

[faint beacon]

Condone of barreling smykers

[unreal nova]

Oh no, it's good. Just most bad Smykers dunno how to use it.

[frank basin]

is great for trash killing, but not for ogryn-enemies, mid for other elite units. Still treat as hand taser

[tropic notch]

0 lantancy instant sniper

[lusty ether]

Now you want to add coconut fat cream laspistol.

For shame.

[sly orchid]

imagine if for april fools every server had no lag compensation

[faint beacon]

Plogryn underhand swipe is instant also

[sly orchid]

try to play the game now

[tropic notch]

That’s so goofy

[unreal nova]

I mean, when you have 300 real game ping, it might as well be.

[raw needle]

on april fools they're gonna announce that the shop rotation is getting removed

[unreal nova]

The warning is off the actual dodge time.

[narrow frost]

no lag compensation makes melee and ranged dodging almost impossible at times

[raw needle]

where is the vermtinitde collab fatshar k

[coarse wolf]

true solo gave me problems because of this

[sly orchid]

there are collab frames

[raw needle]

i hope that vermintide not getting a weapon pack in 2025 is the cause of that

I KNOW

[sly orchid]

but games workshop probably said no to them being added

since theyve removed 40k and old world being connected through the warp

[faint beacon]

James workslop

[coarse wolf]

bruh

[raw needle]

im pretty sure that was never a thing tho?

[coarse wolf]

retconning is so cringe

[raw needle]

it would be weird if it was a thing

[coarse wolf]

it was

[unreal nova]

The lag compensation only helps as long as you have ping around 100-150. Anything more and it's as if it's not there.

[faint beacon]

Tbf they do it all the time

[raw needle]

why did they do that

[sly orchid]

it was

[raw needle]

i mean

[faint beacon]

It’s just people never really pay attention

[raw needle]

not the retconning part

the 40k and fb connected part

[coarse wolf]

idk

[unreal nova]

How else am i getting shot through walls.

[coarse wolf]

was cool though

[unreal nova]

Shot by things not even aiming at me.

[coarse wolf]

occasional skaven getting dropped in the middle of the 40k universe

[unreal nova]

Shot behind a target.

[sly orchid]

iirc

kaldor draigo once appeared in old world

[raw needle]

i think we have a skaven symbol somewhere in dt

[unreal nova]

I even got hit by a sniper without any time to dodge on high pings.

[raw needle]

the rats are real

[unreal nova]

Predodge spam or die.

Because by the time the warning plays, I'm already hit by the server.

[raw needle]

ig it did get retconned

but it still is kinda weird

[unreal nova]

Same for gunners, I'm taking damage before it even shows on my end at times.

[raw needle]

but gw dont give a shit about fb nowadays sooooooo

eh

[red robin]

What’s the science with DLSS 4?

I’ve noticed that I got better performance?

[raw needle]

dlss 4 balanced looks better than dlss 3 quality

[pseudo fiber]

Visual clarity over performance

[raw needle]

well bigger number means better stuff

yk

[raw needle]

it also runs better

quality takes a hit tho

[red robin]

But like is there some fuckery with it like how it is with frame generation and hit detection?

[coarse wolf]

dlss4 quality is peak

[raw needle]

no

no input lag

[red robin]

Nice

[coarse wolf]

allows me to use ray tracing

[raw needle]

just renders the game at a lower resolution as always

then upscales with ai

[coarse wolf]

at stable 90fps

[loud belfry]

dlss (forma de image upscaling) probably reduces input lag tbh

[red robin]

Yeah

[raw needle]

it probably does yeah cause lower res

[red robin]

I wanna use the las pistol but I always find the hit detection is entirely performance dependent

[dapper ice]

Quick question, what are the ideal perks for a Power Sword mark 4?

[red robin]

Carapace + Elite?

[dapper ice]

Elite being Unyielding right?

[sly orchid]

silver knight that spews blue fire

is suddenly gold

[hollow ibex]

Elite is all elite enemies

[dapper ice]

Got it!

[hybrid plover]

1 vet 3 ogryn teams are dumb lol

[unreal nova]

They stick if they gunlugger to guarantee inf ammo.

If you have survivalist anyway.

[hybrid plover]

I was just playing the monstrosity maelstrom and I don't think I've ever had one go as smoothly as that one did.

The second that there was even knowledge that one was on the field and it was basically already dead.

[tall torrent]

dlss4 performance can sometimes look better than dlss3 quality lol

[sharp epoch]

Vet is just a portable ammo dispenser pr much 😭

[unreal nova]

That applies bleed, if you care for it.

Like I said, oggies got overbuffed.

[hybrid plover]

I care for it since I was using a bolter with puncture lmao

Very explodey.

Very boomey.

Ogryn might be a bit overtuned right now but you know what

Let the big guys have it for a while.

It's deserved after they've been shafted for as long as they have.

It's just goofy fun playing with ogryns now.

[eternal verge]

an ogryn in my game just said “infinite fireworks” and then my game started averaging 20fps as a million explosions started appearing everywhere

[hybrid plover]

Your frames may be dipping, but so are about 100 heretics in the vicinity.

Possibly more if its that dense.

[unreal nova]

+3 nade BIGGEST box of hurt, 50% chance to reboom, 20 sec refill or RNG 10% chance for 3 boxes on kill.

Or maybe BETTER twinned and them grabbing all the nade boxes.

Or maybe heal on booms.

Cos every 'nade there and every reboom is more green.

[eternal verge]

is this a wave mode upgrade or actual talents you can get

[unreal nova]

I know, I had 14 nukes happen after 1 box.

Mortis.

[eternal verge]

thank god LOL

mortis is such a good more I hope we get harder variants

[unreal nova]

I say keep current diffs as is and add more.

So people can choose to enjoy the current, or pick harder.

[eternal verge]

mortis is what I wanted havoc to be, some sort of wave mode

wave modes are always good in games like this

not sure I like the roguelite aspect though

[unreal nova]

Also, a toggle for endless (checkpoint mode).

You vote to continue.

After 12.

[eternal verge]

auric mortis trials where the modifiers change each wave

[unreal nova]

But as a seperate queue so you don't have ppl who only got time for 12 waves having to deal with being outvoted for endless constantly.

[eternal verge]

I think all 4 people voting for endless should be a requirement

[unreal nova]

They just want their win rewards.

[unreal nova]

Or a seperate queue.

So you go in knowing everyone wants endless.

[teal marten]

My game just crashed twice in the same hour

[unreal nova]

And vote to end or continue every 6-12 waves after the first 12.

[eternal verge]

I also don’t know how they’d balance around an endless mode

[teal marten]

When will this game be fixed

[eternal verge]

like how would you make it so hard even some of the greater players lose eventually

spawn 8 daemonhost?

[teal marten]

Ez

[unreal nova]

Everything just 1 shots you. Gold toughness is just 1 extra hit.

So 3 hits and you blep.

gold, blue, hp.

[eternal verge]

oh yeah just make modifiers apply every wave and eventually they start stacking ontop of one another

[unreal nova]

To the point you either get 3 shotted or everyone got disabled.

[teal marten]

Fat shark please fix this game, I am on the newest gen Xbox and my internet is good, pls stop crashing me 😔 💔

[faint beacon]

Everyone’s been crashing

[teal marten]

Thats not better

[arctic rampart]

is there a new ogryn nade perk that knocks players up in the air and damages them

or am I going crazy

[craggy goblet]

good weapons to use?

kinda set on powersword for melee since POWER SWORD

[tame lodge]

You're tripping fr fr

[tame lodge]

Mk6 Power cycler + Brutal Momentum

Elite + Maniacs

[hollow ibex]

Psword is the way

[craggy goblet]

lvl 13 tho

10 more to go

[crude fiber]

I hope so that sounds funny as hell

[gilded wraith]

I've been playing a lot of Orcs Deathtrap and they have a similar mode that's great.

[balmy flume]

Aaaaaarrrrggghhh

Died on the last wave on Voltaic in the Mortis trials just now

It’s the last bloody penance I needed…

[gilded wraith]

Not to my knowledge, but if you were in Mortis, there is a high barrel density and they respawn after each wave.

[mossy monolith]

dumb question, whats a good Curios set up for veteran
rn im running 20 health, 16 toughness and 2 stamina

[gilded wraith]

I like 2X toughness as a starting point. Third one I go health. Honestly one of each isn't bad.

Combat ability regen, sprint efficiency, 5% toughness make good modifiers.

[mossy monolith]

[craggy goblet]

i get that the low diff is for new ppl

but damn

im just trying to lvl

not have my back broken

[hollow ibex]

Pubs? Get above 200 hp. Rest is up to you.

[mossy monolith]

this is what im running atm
idk if its good or not, might change it

[hollow ibex]

Looks fine, but replace stam regen with sprint efficiency

And obviously try to get max roll curios

Unfortunate it's aids

[mossy monolith]

that i know
i was lucky enough to get 21% health for orgyn,

[craggy goblet]

any power sword builds rec

[mossy monolith]

isn't power sword mark 6 with Power Cycler and Brutal Momentum a good options?

[craggy goblet]

like talent tree

for now

i just wanna know what to put points into

[mossy monolith]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bffe46c-2d0b-49b1-a440-b9b636cc12f7/marksmans-focus-that-works-cqb-aimed-smg-headshots-auric-maelstorm-ready been trying this, seem fun for me
but im dumb so idk if it good or bad

[craggy goblet]

ill give this a try, but might replace with revolver, been loving it so far

thanks!

or recon rifle

[mossy monolith]

you can pretty much use any range weapons
maybe you can change the purple with something else

it work good with fast firing weapons

[craggy goblet]

prob weapon specialist

but its a good baseline, thank you!

[tropic notch]

I’d only use ws with stuff like plasma, bolter, d barrel, revolver, or bolt pistol

[craggy goblet]

ye

[mossy monolith]

gotta get that sweet one shot on those stinking fellas

[tropic notch]

Fast firing weapons are good but only crit for one shot or whatever there string is

[mossy monolith]

[red robin]

Man, I kinda wish there was a node that had reload whilst sprinting mechanic

Be neat if that was baked into skirmisher

Christ imagine if there was an omni movement mechanic

Payday 2 had the funnest mobility builds with that

Game needs movement shooter flow type beat

[tame schooner]

is lucius lasgun any good? and if yes which one is best?

[red robin]

Uh, the blue one neat

[tame schooner]

neat enough for havoc?

[red robin]

And the middle of the road one solid

Uhh

Probably pair it with a breathing room set up

Shout, shredder frags, mayhaps shovel/power sword

Just need that answer incase a bunch of bums swamp you while you’re using ranged

Also the draw speed evil af

[tame schooner]

thank you

[craggy goblet]

taxe or caxe?

[tropic notch]

Both are good I like the caxe

[neon current]

taxe is a psyker / zealot weapon

[coarse wolf]

good on everyone

[neon current]

not really

its very PA dependant

[coarse wolf]

it's just better on those 2

[neon current]

something you dont wanna do on vet

[coarse wolf]

mk2 would like to know your location
just put unarmored + flak and bromentum

idk the best 2nd blessing for it

on vet anyway

[red robin]

Agile?

I’m a fan of dodge spam

[coarse wolf]

agile removes a large part of the game's mechanics

would not recommend

[unreal nova]

Ah.

[tropic notch]

It’s pretty good on vet

[tropic notch]

Agile poopy

[red robin]

I’m a dodge slide enjoyer, so I enjoy agile

[tropic notch]

It’s just a meme

There’s much better options

[coarse wolf]

it's op on certain weapons

duelling sword being one of them

[red robin]

Taxe and the one other option

[tropic notch]

I wish it was on heavy weapons

[red robin]

Duelling sword

[tropic notch]

That’s true

[austere mica]

Taxe can’t take agile (it can but it’s a really bad idea)

[tropic notch]

I still can’t stand it though

[red robin]

What’s so bad about it?

[austere mica]

You’ll miss your BM breakpoints (on taxe)

[red robin]

I see

[tropic notch]

For ds you’re dropping a lot of dps and taxe breakpoints

[coarse wolf]

that and it develops bad habits

[red robin]

What helps with reaching those bp

[austere mica]

Headtaker

[tropic notch]

Head taker

[austere mica]

And BM is obviously needed

[red robin]

I see I see

Ty for the insight

Imma demo both

[austere mica]

Also, every weapon with Agile doesn’t need it

[red robin]

2 options

[austere mica]

They already have the best dodges

[tropic notch]

Taxe on vet is good because of reciprocity

[coarse wolf]

shred for zealots because they scale with crit chance. but for vet yeah bm + headtaker

[austere mica]

Shred HT and BM HT both work on zealot

[coarse wolf]

i should take bm ht on a piety build

too used to ij

[austere mica]

BM for more horde speed and shred for Cara/uny kill speed

[tropic notch]

Wish it had ripoist

[red robin]

Riposte would be nutty

I’d like precognition on it too

[tropic notch]

I’m using peity knife after ij and I miss the dodges

[coarse wolf]

i was using that yesterday (dorn called me out for using it in a duo) and it's not bad

[tropic notch]

Real

I put uncanny and precog on it

Shreds everything

[red robin]

Precog my beloved

Mobility is dump on taxe eh?

[coarse wolf]

lacerate uncanny

[craggy goblet]

revolver vs heavy laspistol?

[tropic notch]

Why is he crying about that that’s a good set up for the knife

[coarse wolf]

heavy las >>>

[coarse wolf]

it's a crutch weapon

[tropic notch]

To dorn everything is a crutch

[coarse wolf]

no just knife, ds4, all staffs, both stealths and smite

[tame lodge]

All staffs

💀

Yeah just tested Helbore bayo

Ain't so bad

Damn y'all storming on water glasses fr fr

[coarse wolf]

i mean i understand why, they're just boring. especially purge

[tame lodge]

No idea how Dorn could consider EK a crutch though

[craggy goblet]

las pistol p fun

but bolt pistol?

[coarse wolf]

m1 spam

outside that it's ethical

[left patrol]

anyone else's game running like absolute dogwater the past few hours? error 2014'ing every few minutes, cannot complete a game lol

[lucid herald]

which helbore lasgun is the best overall?

[tame lodge]

Up to preference

3 is middle ground though

4 is the hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game, slow charges and eh bayonet

5 shoots fast but doesn't hit as hard

[lucid herald]

is it ever advisable to not charge the gun and just spam it?

[coarse wolf]

not really, you want to one shot elites and specialists

[tame lodge]

It's basically always charge

But the 4 could try tap shooting

Not as good as charged shots though

[unreal nova]

WDYM Strike is a crutch? It needs aiming and is pretty bad in late havocs compared.

[coarse wolf]

old staff names please i have no idea what they are now lol

[unreal nova]

Old? VoidStrike?

[coarse wolf]

remind me which that is i don't use that sorry

[unreal nova]

The one that shoots beeg balls of boomies that double on crit.

[coarse wolf]

oh that

[craggy goblet]

las pistol blessings?

[hollow ibex]

check hammer of the emperor guide in the pins

[coarse wolf]

infernus and either ghost or dumdum

[hollow ibex]

but typically, ghost/desperado + dumdum

[craggy goblet]

appreciate it!!

[unreal nova]

Bowling ball staff?

[coarse wolf]

yea

[tropic notch]

Damm I gotta use the chain sword now

Only the chain sword and volley fire vet

With marksman focus

And smoke grenade

No medicade because healing is meta just don’t take damage

You rely too much on healing

Crutch

Dorn is friggin silly

[craggy goblet]

recon or las pistol?

[unreal nova]

Moment you say EK and Strike are crutches, I'm like, WTF are you smoking.

More so with the LMB quell nerfed to heck.

[tropic notch]

Depends on build

[craggy goblet]

powersword

i’m assuming las pistol for single target?

[tropic notch]

Yeah it is

[tropic notch]

And if you’re using the power sword I’d go weapon specialist

[craggy goblet]

thats the plan

[coarse wolf]

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build this is the build I run with ps

with the exception of some ranged weapons it’s a generalist build

[plain quest]

I need a good recon las build

Also, why do most people ignore veterans keystones?

[barren nimbus]

They don’t work that well. The spotting keystone is kind of unnecessary and doesn’t work great with auto spotter. The good keystone with weapon swapping doesn’t work great with automatic weapons you want to walk around with

[plain quest]

Makes sense

What recon las build would you recommend?

Most YT ones are straight ass

[barren nimbus]

I imagine the most popular one is fine. The recon lasgun is generally just not that great

I like to use the braced autogun but it requires executioners stance and i just die to dumb shit

[plain quest]

It's happens to the best of us

[plain quest]

Which one? I hope it's not the one that stamina maxes 😭

[raw needle]

keystoneless is the way to go with it for sure

[barren nimbus]

I’m on mobile so I can’t see, but yeah you’d just load up on non keystone perks and make sure you take lots of rending and the burn

[plain quest]

Infernus? I see i see

[barren nimbus]

The lasgun build is generally just the lasgun ammo perk and then properly blessing the gun

[plain quest]

Any suggestions?

[raw needle]

I run this w/ the fastest recon

recons used to be havoc meta before they removed pox hardened

[unreal nova]

Nope. If it's gameslantern, the highest rated builds are considered jokes to anyone on the Discord.

[plain quest]

Man, every build is a lie 😭

[barren nimbus]

Gameslantern has tanner veteran, psykur and zealot builds which is good. And the old reginald ogry build

[unreal nova]

Is Youtubers/streamers with a fanbase telling said fanbase to updoot their crap.

[barren nimbus]

The ones besides that are pretty shit

[plain quest]

What about Tanner's build?

[wanton dawn]

Discord don't like the tan man either

[plain quest]

Damn, not even here? Bro can't catch a break

[barren nimbus]

Tanners human builds are good enough to get into havoc and havoc 40

[wanton dawn]

He got banned from here

[plain quest]

For what now?

[wanton dawn]

Harassment i think ?

[unreal nova]

Only one I would trust there (your list) is Reginald. But if it's old, might be better to wait for the updated Ogrynomicon.

[wanton dawn]

Got in a feud with a warden

[raw needle]

I wouldn't trust Reginald after his questionable havoc release builds

[plain quest]

Lmao

[raw needle]

with him picking literal do nothing talent on zealot over backstab cdr

[barren nimbus]

I think reginald made some ass human builds

[plain quest]

Guess i'll just try random nodes and see what i can find.

[unreal nova]

Regi is for Oggy builds, ignore everything else.

[barren nimbus]

But his ogryn build used to be good enough for havoc 40 introduction

[wanton dawn]

In any case, don't ask regular their opinion on tan-tan builds

Or do, i don't care am not your dad

[raw needle]

https://tenor.com/view/chii-kawa-chiikawa-chiikawa-beat-beating-ow-gif-16647359826059400487

[barren nimbus]

The problem with all builds is they can be considered a playstyle. Like if you aren’t constantly weapon swapping tanners veteran build would be really bad for you

But if you’re weapon swapping like a crack fiend its as good as you can get

[wanton dawn]

It isnt hard to recognize a weapon swap build vs a dedicated ranged one

[barren nimbus]

The problem with that veteran swap node is it only really works with the revolver and plasma gun, and dueling sword and knife

[unreal nova]

Bolt pistol works as well.

And you can run it semi-'nadier.

If you want the bolt pistol to actually do stuff than be a stat stick.

I go full 'nadier.

Oh and the Double Barrel is fun with it as well.

[wanton dawn]

I'll stick agile on literally any build that doesnt use boltgun

[plain quest]

I'll use this one as a base

I do see myself going melee with the chainsword so it works.

[barren nimbus]

Oh yeah the double barrel is fun with it. They need to make that gun havoc certified

[plain quest]

Man, veteran needs a rework

[unreal nova]

My builds just run knoife for mobility, lul. Plus I'm used to it anyway.

[barren nimbus]

I honestly am finding veteran super boring because the plasma gun is the only gun worth using in havoc

[unreal nova]

Well, it worked in 30 and 31.

Someone carried with it.

[plain quest]

Oh yeah the knife is good, but i'm a but of a rp guy so chainsword just feels good. [?]

[wanton dawn]

I used plasma, boltgun and dbs last patch. This one i don't have courage to interact with lfg

[unreal nova]

Naw, i know someone doing it with ChainAxe and doublebarrel.

[wanton dawn]

Maybe later

[barren nimbus]

I wish I enjoyed the knife. I literally hit a crusher 8 times with it and I just put it away the next mission

[dry cloak]

Yes

[arctic rampart]

I cant get used tot he attack range of the knife it seems so ass

[plain quest]

As long as i don't have to use the dueling sword all good

[barren nimbus]

Is the chainaxe good? I thought it was the worst melee weapon in the game

[dry cloak]

Knife should be trasj against cara

[unreal nova]

They also run ChainAxe and Hellbore.

[raw needle]

pre rework it was

[dry cloak]

It was. Now it isnt

[unreal nova]

It is, unless it crits.

[raw needle]

now it's actually decent

[wanton dawn]

Used to be. Now just mid

[raw needle]

just has bad mobility

[barren nimbus]

Does it still lock you in a sawing animation

[wanton dawn]

You can escape it

[unreal nova]

I saw someone block to cancel.

[barren nimbus]

You sit there sawing some guy and a crusher hydraulic presses you into a fucking penny

[raw needle]

you can dodge out of it

[unreal nova]

Do try it out though, since i watched them do it with 300 ping. They were soloing after we dooked up badly.

So soloed to the respawn point.

[wanton dawn]

I stopped playing chaxe the day it did not stun a trapper from shot animation. Was concentrated bullshit

[raw needle]

probably better with wepspec cause that gives you mobility

[wanton dawn]

Wepspec makes any melee better...

[unreal nova]

I mean, if you use DB, you go WS.

[raw needle]

well yeah but chaxe esp struggles with it

[wanton dawn]

Id argue worse weapon for ws is ds4 cuz you get so little benefit out of it

[unreal nova]

1 melee kill always means you have 1 bullet in your gun.

[plain quest]

5 dollars for an eyepatch for ogryn

[unreal nova]

And 1 bullet is enough to maim or kill if you built right.

[raw needle]

ds5 with wepspec and you just dodge through the map

[unreal nova]

You mean off Gloriana by accident... or not.

Can't get knocked off if I flew off by myself.

RIGHT?

Also, must be Pen dump.

So you dodge even further.

[safe sage]

What are the top 5 best ranged weapons for veteran?

[pseudo fiber]

Plasma gun
Bolter
Bolt pistol
Revolver
Recon

[tame lodge]

Vraks erasure

🚬

[pseudo fiber]

Arrange in a preferred order
Revolver and Vraks can be debatably switched

[dry cloak]

All 3 iags are good

[normal bay]

No Double barrel. Banned

[pallid jetty]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/infiltration-buff-idea/106645

made a post, what do you think?

am i downplaying vet?

or am i based gigachad

[rocky jacinth]

what i think is that infiltrate should be removed because aggro dumping is too disruptive

[pallid jetty]

aggro dumping?

wdym

oh you mean, all the enemies aggro to the teammates

i dont have an issue with it

[rocky jacinth]

yeah exactly

what I'd do is replace it with smoke grenade and make it work like ranger veteran's ability
and replace smoke grenades with caltrops or something that messes up melee enemies

[pallid jetty]

yeah, also good

cause smoke grenades dont work without all the grenade buff perks

v2 > dt, no way

[rocky jacinth]

full team invis would be cool for what it's worth, and i like stealth thematically but the aggro thing is really annoying, particularly in pubs

you better have the player calling out in voice chat that stealth is being popped so you know to get the hell out of dodge before the crusher pack reaches you and remodels your sphincter

[pallid jetty]

i edited my post with your idea

smoke cloud on use sounds hot

[junior grail]

Is it worth getting Toughness Blessing on Autopistol/Brauto?

[junior grail]

I think Ranger Bardin had that ability in Vermintide

[rocky jacinth]

cool

bardin gang bardin gang

[odd sparrow]

Heavily depends on what youre building for if you want to use it you should propably invest heavily in toughness to make it worthwhile using. The most important upside of having the toughness regen is being able to easily face tank gunners and shooters

More damage is of course also more dmg so its a noticable trade off.

[undone sigil]

Trying to get myself more into veterans gear, though I'm having a little trouble with the plasma gun. Is it a good weapon? I know it deals great damage but it has a lot of downtime trying to cool it off.

Definitely a fun weapon, but I so wonder if ol reliable Las weapons do the purpose of picking off elites better. If kraks can deal with crusher groups

[dry cloak]

Plasma is regarded as veterans best ranged weapon

[undone sigil]

Figured it was great. More just wanting tips to work around it's flaws, since I know it's a me problem not it

[dry cloak]

And remember dont fall into plasma shout too much

It will make you sloppy

[pallid jetty]

never use charged shot

and thats it

[tame lodge]

Then reload animation cancel

[normal bay]

Plasma feels a lot better when you have all your blessings and stats close max

[undone sigil]

Howcome no charged?

[normal bay]

Waste of ammo

More efficient to spam lights

[undone sigil]

So if no charged shots what are the better blessings? Since a fair amount are charge specific

[tame lodge]

Rising Heat and Gets Hot

[stuck tree]

[unreal nova]

See mortis. They get a buff that makes everyone on coherency stealth as well, was wondering what happened tbh.

If that was default or a single tax, just. Everyone can do the close and kill together.

And it's less aggrodumpy if everyone is together.

[undone sigil]

Been trying to use the devil's claw. Which mark do people tend to go with? I've mainly been using the mk4 but can't tell if I've got the wrong one

[mortal horizon]

What happened to revolver? It was the most OP ranged weapon for so long. Then up there with plasma. It hasn’t really changed is it just not good enough for havoc?

I just don’t see people using it anymore

[wind grotto]

this is just true and doesn't belong in a co-op game

I don't care if like 5% of the people who use infiltrate aren't horrendous with it, the vast majority just use it to aggro dump and it will fuck you up real bad

[coarse wolf]

boring and not ammo efficient

[frank basin]

i feel revovler like 100 round equal to bolt weapon ammo carrying

[coarse wolf]

bolt pistol does everything revolver used to do but better

[frank basin]

is not horde clearing unless there's conga line

[coarse wolf]

shouldn't be horde clearing with a gun anyway

unless it's db

[frank basin]

why boltgun use as horde clearing?

[coarse wolf]

in which case 2 shots kills everything

[coarse wolf]

it's not a horde clear weapon

[frank basin]

i means people use it

they mag dump on pox walkie

[coarse wolf]

malice players yes

[frank basin]

and elites

they mag dump on elites

[coarse wolf]

sniping elites is fine

[frank basin]

which is work on magdumping on elites crowd

[wind grotto]

I haven't seen people magdump with it in havoc, but i've seen it used like that on a lot of auric maelstroms tbf

[frank basin]

because havoc when no ammo pick up modifier i believe?

[wind grotto]

and to be clear, it should not be used like that people are just stupid and panic fire

[coarse wolf]

boltgun is ass in havoc

[wind grotto]

no even in maelstroms it's a complete waste of ammo to use that gun for that role, shooting mostly poxwalkers with a bolter in full auto is always a complete waste of ammo

[frank basin]

i swear someone said boltgun can use for hordeclearing

long ago

before havoc was a thing

[wind grotto]

it was probably fine before the survivalist changes and is fine if no one else is using ammo to waste ammo

but that doesn't make it a good use either way

[frank basin]

i could mag dumping for bosses

lol

telling the boss; stand still.

[wind grotto]

mag dumping a boss if you can mostly hit the head with the bolter is fine also

[frank basin]

i tried

i hate it keep aggro on othe

[coarse wolf]

they either lied or were bad at the game

[frank basin]

well there's few message history chat back in year mag dumping horde with bolter called as fun or make ogryn looks bad

[coarse wolf]

it's just a waste of ammunition

considering 15 round mag

[wind grotto]

if it was pre-survivalist nerf bolter could get that ammo back so quickly that it did not matter how much you were wasting ammo

[coarse wolf]

and only 100 ammo extra