final specs are
4070ti super
i7-14700f
48gb ram
1tb ssd
#veteran-class
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hybrid plover
But I did run into a completely silent one during a poxburster Maelstrom yesterday
So I'm pretty sure it has to do with the game trying to juggle all of the different sound cues going on.
calm shard
I'm actually pretty sure it has to do with some sounds being client sided and others not, and the game confusing the two
Almost every special enemy in the game has a client side audio queue based on proximity
wind grotto
I just know they'll never fix it at this point
calm shard
And almost every enemy in the game has a client side audio queue from trying to attack you, or even their footsteps
Like the craziest shit is Mutants and Dogs
You cannot hear their footsteps if they are not aggroed on you
vernal trench
Dont u just love completely silent brusters
hybrid plover
Okay real talk.
calm shard
Dogs also do not bark while looking for a pounce angle if they aren't targeting you
vernal trench
Even to the point when they explode they make 0 sounds
hybrid plover
Has anyone felt that dogs have been... worse since this last update?
hybrid plover
Did they?
vernal trench
They would skip animations every time before this update
hybrid plover
I have seen dogs pouncing me instantly from angles I couldn't even fathom before.
wild vortex
vernal trench
I have seen dogs pouncing me instantly from angles I couldn't even fathom before...
Animation skips
hybrid plover
Yeah I know.
hybrid plover
It feels like it's happening more at least for me.
Maybe it's anecdotal.
Or the servers are just being their usual fatshark selves.
hybrid plover
I love when the nets have magnetism.
calm shard
Speaking of the client side audio thing
hybrid plover
So cool and epic!
calm shard
That wire noise that Trappers make when they get close to you only plays if they're aggroed on you, but they can switch aggro
So they can just be entirely silent until they shoot sometimes
hybrid plover
Oh I'm aware.
calm shard
Because they only decide to aggro on you when they're already in range to shoot you
wind grotto
yeah them not ever making the net less bad for shooting you through corners/cover/etc that it absolutely should not clip you through is something I wish they'd fix
faint beacon
Trappers aiming for someone else
faint beacon
And then managing to snipe you
hybrid plover
You'll notice when you're playing with a stealth player who's way too trigger happy with their stealth.
faint beacon
And drag you into the poxhorde
hybrid plover
It's beyond infuriating.
vernal trench
I gotta love the trapper that shoots a net through the 20 bulwarks infront of me
hybrid plover
The possibilities are endless!!!
wind grotto
yeah thats probably actually the worst one
stuck tree
trappers are def psykers
calm shard
oh yeah the electric net
it just traps you in a miniaturized darktide lobby with 3 smykers
which of course usually kills you
stuck tree
using warp magic to make that net catch me like a heat seeking missile
vernal trench
Completely silent one btw
wind grotto
when it's a wall of bulwarks and crushers and then the 5 synced trappers that you try to audio dodge and do currectly dodge a few but could not tell from sound until it was too late that there were just like a half dozen trappers ready to machine gun you
unreal nova
You'll notice when you're playing with a stealth player who's way too trigger ha...
The classic, why I dislike/hate 95% of stealth users.
They always aggrodump.
wind grotto
yeah I think stealth is just bad for the game
hybrid plover
I've learned that if there's a horde like that, reposition solely for the sake of the trapper thats going to pop up behind them.
wind grotto
some people are good with it, and helpful, but it just makes everyone else miserable 90% of the time
unreal nova
some people are good with it, and helpful, but it just makes everyone else miser...
That's the 5%.
narrow frost
So I couldn't push
vernal trench
To this day ive never seen a good infiltrate player
unreal nova
Who actually do stuff with it.
wind grotto
I've seen a few with both stealth skills that were fine
hybrid plover
Well infiltrate in itself just isnt...
faint beacon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1355980346398605333/1...
Gotta love that
Also Mk3 Shovel in Havoc how good is it performing
hybrid plover
Great to begin with.
narrow frost
Amazing
faint beacon
Probably my second favorite Ogryn melee
narrow frost
Skull crusher then the brittleness
faint beacon
Brittle on push?
wind grotto
it doesn't help that the vast majority of people that take infiltrate take the fucking 90% less aggro skill
stuck tree
vernal trench
Well infiltrate in itself just isnt...
Its probably the strongest for vet in carrying but its no shroudfield
faint beacon
You doing Impact HHI?
narrow frost
Thunderous
faint beacon
Oh
narrow frost
Impact hh
faint beacon
Oh fuck
narrow frost
Yes
frank basin
3 busters that weren't for me
faint beacon
I forgot they got thunderous LMAO
vernal trench
it doesn't help that the vast majority of people that take infiltrate take the f...
Ur supposed to take it pretty much
narrow frost
Full debuffgyrn
faint beacon
I should try that
vernal trench
Otherwise ur using infiltrate wrong
narrow frost
Makes bosses easy
wind grotto
Ur supposed to take it pretty much
it's just the type of thing that should not be in a co-op game
faint beacon
Hmmmmm
hybrid plover
Its probably the strongest for vet in carrying but its no shroudfield
Carrying?
unreal nova
Never a single good infiltrate
Look, f they use it to do objectives, it's good enough.
narrow frost
But works in havoc
vernal trench
it's just the type of thing that should not be in a co-op game
Eh debatable
vernal trench
Look, f they use it to do objectives, it's good enough.
No
faint beacon
Ill have to make one specifically for Havoc then
Though
My current Vigil build cause of KZ being changed
I might try in Havoc
frank basin
BM falls off in havoc
it is the ignore body mass are not infintely ignore body mass?
vernal trench
Ive never even seen a decent infiltrate
faint beacon
And just be dedicated anti range
vernal trench
Let alone one that can solo clutch a 40 or hard carry one
vernal trench
The average uses it to basically aggrodump and nothing more.
Yea
unreal nova
And they never even do objectives nor help keep things off the one doing it.
narrow frost
it is the ignore body mass are not infintely ignore body mass?
The enemies have too much HP to get value from bm, since you need to 1 shot to use bm
vernal trench
And they never even do objectives nor help keep things off the one doing it.
Considering how stupid the general playerbase is im not surprised
narrow frost
Not enough cleaving damage basically
frank basin
The enemies have too much HP to get value from bm, since you need to 1 shot to u...
right, the 15% weakspot dmg
vernal trench
Objectives is the bare minumum
tall torrent
BM falls off in havoc
I think it’s the best pick for power sword rn actually
frank basin
what's brittleness useful for havoc?
frank basin
I think it’s the best pick for power sword rn actually
with sunder?
narrow frost
Interesting
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For power sword VI
frank basin
bruh
faint beacon
PC Sunder still might be a choice
narrow frost
Have you tried it with havoc modifiers?
faint beacon
Idk we should do havoc runs soon
tall torrent
Have you tried it with havoc modifiers?
Yea
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Because toll wants u to confirm kills more than going for cleave stagger
And if ur goal is to confirm kills quickly
Nothing beats BM
faint beacon
BM damage boost
frank basin
15% weakspot bonus
faint beacon
Call me insane
tall torrent
U can frag + kill multiple elites very quickly with BM
frank basin
put 10% more make 25%
faint beacon
But what about Slaughter
tall torrent
But what about Slaughter
Not worth
It’s either BM or sunder
And I think BM pulls ahead on power sword rn
The only modifier that supposedly counters BM power sword is rampaging enemies
Orange buff makes 1 shots harder
But it doesn’t defeat the core function of passing first target damage to more enemies
frank basin
probably need combat stim for little extra oomph
unreal nova
Considering how stupid the general playerbase is im not surprised
Which is why I'm always... Do i literally have to do everything as a knoife VoC vet, yes.
tall torrent
probably need combat stim for little extra oomph
Nah not needed
unreal nova
Avg non-stacked malice/heresy mortis.
tall torrent
Power sword is just in that sweep spot of 3 hit killing every melee elite
@narrow frost
So 2nd hit puts elites into red
While they’re staggered
frank basin
Power sword is just in that sweep spot of 3 hit killing every melee elite
and what about 3 crusher?
tall torrent
3rd kills them
tall torrent
and what about 3 crusher?
Speak English
zenith carbon
my friend is enjoying shovel revolver, whats a good build to go with that
idk i dont play vet
frank basin
Speak English
are you trying look down on me? is just my fast typing.
tall torrent
are you trying look down on me? is just my fast typing.
No, because idk what “3 rusher” is in DT
frank basin
No, because idk what “3 rusher” is in DT
i changed, my keyboard something don't register it
tall torrent
Need to try more vet havoc
I’m afraid ur gonna be sorely disappointed by vet’s current state of affairs
frank basin
just wait vet talent rework
narrow frost
Yeah I know
barren nimbus
Did they actually fix the power sword shut off bug? Because I swear it still happens
tall torrent
U get like 1 good weapon if u don’t fancy the “run away from problems” approach to melee
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Did they actually fix the power sword shut off bug? Because I swear it still hap...
If u get hit while u are attacking, u lose charge from power cycler
narrow frost
Power sword or ds, plasma or recon. Then voc
frank basin
infiltration keep yourself alive and letting team down
barren nimbus
O
narrow frost
Vet gets nothing
tall torrent
Power sword or ds, plasma or recon. Then voc
Power sword is legitimately strong tho
narrow frost
I do see that
tall torrent
“Karsolas lite” lite
frank basin
Power sword or ds, plasma or recon. Then voc
my guess recon is the shock-trooper talent
wanton dawn
Power sword is legitimately strong tho
As always
tall torrent
I find sunder more disappointing with current havoc
Cleave for light stagger is not enough in this density
Killing is the only way out for vet
faint beacon
U get like 1 good weapon if u don’t fancy the “run away from problems” approach ...
Straight up why I’m considering playing Ogryn more lmao
Vet main by heart but Ogryn is just doing things better
wanton dawn
Idk i have played like, 2 havoc since patch day. I reserve my judgement. Did not feel weak in either
1st one was exe stance
dry cloak
Vet main by heart but Ogryn is just doing things better
good good anakin
come to the rashuns side
tall torrent
Straight up why I’m considering playing Ogryn more lmao
I’m ngl
Playing plasma vet with ogryn teammate is aids
hollow ibex
ES feels a lot better now with CAB changes
tall torrent
Every enemy is staggered by ogryn and vet gets 0 headshots
Yes 0
I think recon pulls ahead over plasma as well now with more bosses
tall torrent
Plasma gets cucked by multiple BoN spawns
fleet garden
is the patch any good for vets or is it just ogryn sss tier?
tall torrent
is the patch any good for vets or is it just ogryn sss tier?
Ogryn can build for x400+% melee damage
hollow ibex
In any case, current havoc lfg is cancer
When they make a new mode to justify party finder
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U decide how strong that is for u
tame lodge
is the patch any good for vets or is it just ogryn sss tier?
Kill zone and Catch a Breath 
tame lodge
Ogryn can build for x400+% melee damage
fleet garden
no I meant overall
tame lodge
Finally lore Oggy
frank basin
no I meant overall
none
fleet garden
I read the whole patch notes several times but havent played yet
frank basin
just same old stuff
tall torrent
no I meant overall
Yea, ogryn super strong
hollow ibex
is the patch any good for vets or is it just ogryn sss tier?
Vet got some tasty scraps, psyker got a filling meal, ogryn got an eight course dinner
tall torrent
Vet is top 4 class
fleet garden
just heard from a friend that there is no point in not taking anything else but ogryns
frank basin
on what level?
faint beacon
Kill zone and Catch a Breath <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
Deadshot if we’re being generous
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Zealot
Ogryn
Psyker
Veteran
frank basin
right the 4th place
fleet garden
since the changes they got are so big, in a good way
wanton dawn
In any case, ill play vet anyway.
tall torrent
just heard from a friend that there is no point in not taking anything else but ...
Nah
Zealot and psyker still have overpowered kits
tame lodge
Specially Gunker
fleet garden
ye but I am playing vet, not zealot nor psyker
tall torrent
Psyker just needs 80 nerfs to be balanced
faint beacon
I’m thinking of just playing Exe stance for a bit and then probably focusing on Ogryn for a bit
tall torrent
ye but I am playing vet, not zealot nor psyker
2x effort for 0.5x impact of other classes basically
Just be prepared for that
fleet garden
well
vernal trench
fleet garden
feelsvetman
faint beacon
Veteran is the true way to train yourself if you are using Exec stance
vernal trench
Yea na fuck that
vernal trench
No toughness games is too much
wind grotto
i'm happy ogryn feels much better in melee now but the impact option was such a funny choice
it's so overkill
tall torrent
i'm happy ogryn feels much better in melee now but the impact option was such a ...
HH impact is better than HH cleave in majority of situations
Very based
fleet garden
its some blizzard/bungie balancing here
faint beacon
No toughness games is too much
CAB changes are pretty noticeable with Exec pathing I won’t lie
frank basin
Psyker just needs 80 nerfs to be balanced
like make player play harder mental gymnasium on psyker?
faint beacon
Especially paired with O4B
hollow ibex
CAB changes are pretty noticeable with Exec pathing I won’t lie
Feels good man
vernal trench
CAB changes are pretty noticeable with Exec pathing I won’t lie
Oh yea
Its noticible in general
tall torrent
like make player play harder mental gymnasium on psyker?
Like tuning back psyker’s broken kits
faint beacon
Though I’m using MMF with Tunnel Vision
vernal trench
U can tank a gunner straight up even in havoc 40
faint beacon
So like
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Because they do need to be nerfed
wind grotto
HH impact is better than HH cleave in majority of situations
yeah I just mean it's so funny to give you that much more impact so much so that it makes some weapons just completely bowl over every rager they hit
tame lodge
Let's just say that I'm impact maxxing on Oggy, what's the % ?
frank basin
Like tuning back psyker’s broken kits
so you want veteran to be upper place best class as psyker to be bottom 4th f tier.
faint beacon
It’s even more stupid cause Tunnel Vision MMF stacks buffing CAB toughness output
Kinda silly
tall torrent
so you want veteran to be upper place best class as psyker to be bottom 4th f ti...
Stop putting words in my mouth
wind grotto
it's like 110% extra or something just from the one node I think
hollow ibex
I might start maining ES over infill
fleet garden
I just more balance, not buffing something out of their ass and it takes months to any semblance of balance
frank basin
Stop putting words in my mouth
why you want gloring veteran? and down bad the psyker?
tall torrent
why you want gloring veteran? and down bad the psyker?
I don’t think you’re actually capable of understanding what I’m saying
vernal trench
I might start maining ES over infill
Good luck doing that in havoc
wind grotto
sorry 80% from the one node for impact, thought it was 15% but it's 10% per stack
frank basin
I don’t think you’re actually capable of understanding what I’m saying
just lost context
tall torrent
I simply said psyker’s broken kits need to be tuned back
frank basin
to be better?
tall torrent
Nowhere did I mention veteran
hollow ibex
Good luck doing that in havoc<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Yeah in havoc I'm still going to be a shout bitch lol. Playing it safe
tall torrent
You’re quite literally making shit up
summer lance
In any case, current havoc lfg is cancer
glad i just got mastery 5 done and dont care enough to go for exemplar or for the weekly crates and can never do havoc again
frank basin
i biasly think you want gloring the veteran
tall torrent
i biasly think you want gloring the veteran
I think you need to stop making up things that I didn’t say
summer lance
also super glad i got havoc 40 done and true survivor done before the update, havoc is awful now
frank basin
I think you need to stop making up things that I didn’t say
don't like my bigotry?
fleet garden
also super glad i got havoc 40 done and true survivor done before the update, ha...
because vet is not as good compared to the rest?
vernal trench
I think vet is weak as fuck and it should stay that way because its fun
fleet garden
why should it stay weak?
summer lance
because vet is not as good compared to the rest?
i never said anything about vet or the classes in general, i think you meant someone else
frank basin
then should veteran be equal to psyker?
tall torrent
don't like my bigotry?
I don’t like the way you invent me saying things when I did not
frank basin
I don’t like the way you invent me saying things when I did not
of course, nobody like it
fleet garden
i never said anything about vet or the classes in general, i think you meant som...
no I just asked, nothing else
frank basin
just how flaw i am
wanton dawn
Pretty sure lasagna has a genuine hard time with implicit messaging
tall torrent
Pretty sure lasagna has a genuine hard time with implicit messaging <:KEKW_ogryn...
He does
frank basin
Pretty sure lasagna has a genuine hard time with implicit messaging <:KEKW_ogryn...
a hard time decrypting interperation messages
vernal trench
why should it stay weak?
Its fun
wanton dawn
Its genuine
tall torrent
I’m being as patient as I can be
fleet garden
for you perhaps, I want to blast, maybe not be extremely op but sitting in the corner whilst everyone else is having fun is not fun
since fatshark devs are very slow with any updates
frank basin
I could be misunderstanding when i reading context not correctly
vernal trench
for you perhaps, I want to blast, maybe not be extremely op but sitting in the c...
U can have plenty of fun on vet u dont gotta have the game hold ur hand like a zealot does
frank basin
I never get improved to it, with execuses mental comprehension.
wanton dawn
I never get improved to it, with execuses mental comprehension.
That's fine, but it can make ppl mad
barren nimbus
Ogryn can build for x400+% melee damage
Ogryn is so durable now you dont even need golden toughness
fleet garden
U can have plenty of fun on vet u dont gotta have the game hold ur hand like a z...
ye but wont ppl deny you for groups in havoc and such if you play vet? sure I can make my own groups but
vernal trench
vernal trench
ye but wont ppl deny you for groups in havoc and such if you play vet? sure I ca...
Nope
Why would they deny me
summer lance
no I just asked, nothing else
oh
well, i think that vet builds are very specific and dont have a lot of variety in what you can change in and out of them
its why not a lot of veterans are running improv crates, because a lot of the time, thate one point usually has to come out of something that you really dont want to give up, like a keyestone or a modifier to a keystone that makes it more worth taking
its not that vet is weak, its that they have a higher skill floor and ceiling, and good builds are really just the same 2 or 3 builds with the weapons or a few stuff changed
i think that all 3 human classes need a tree rework in the same sorta way as ogryn, that give you more flexibility in builds and not being convoluted as hell
frank basin
That's fine, but it can make ppl mad
that's how broken cog i am, talk about bad topic about myself (wanting to die talk is fs and moderator doesn't like about it)
faint beacon
Yeah in havoc I'm still going to be a shout bitch lol. Playing it safe
Bro I’m saying fuck it we ball and I’m running a Las rifle with Exe stance and fully dumping into murder that guy with a gun
wanton dawn
that's how broken cog i am, talk about bad topic about myself (wanting to die ta...
Do not argue with mod
faint beacon
Cause look I know damn well the zealot or Ogryn
vernal trench
oh
well, i think that vet builds are very specific and dont have a lot of variet...
Theres plenty good builds for v et
vernal trench
But vet skill tree just wants u to take shout
frank basin
Do not argue with mod
yeah mod don't want someone talk about self death when they fall depression, server ain't therapy.
fleet garden
wake me up when we get vet buffs like ogryn
wanton dawn
You got that right
fleet garden
might be M43
faint beacon
wake me up when we get vet buffs like ogryn
2028
fleet garden
for sure
fleet garden
good thing wilds and poe2 gets big patches on friday lmao
frank basin
am waiting april 18 dead game get revival
faint beacon
Fuck if I know what I’m gonna do
frank basin
defiance gonna be come back
faint beacon
Main Ogryn I guess lmao
teal marten
Hey sigmas guess what
drifting verge
What blessings do I put on mk.vII shovel
frank basin
go play oggy for now then
teal marten
I finally got the untouchable penance and the on overwatch penance, I'm so happy
faint beacon
What blessings do I put on mk.vII shovel
Uncanny + Skull/Thrust
Kinda just depends on how you’re using it
frank basin
I dont want to play anything else than vet though
oggy is only last class you can enjoy
teal marten
I dont want to play anything else than vet though
Zealot is a good choice
frank basin
psyker is alright, i expect discordian hate psyker
drifting verge
Kinda just depends on how you’re using it
Uhhh I hit things with it…I hit tough things with the spike and normal things with the bonk
frank basin
zealot take lot of spot light
teal marten
How do I get a red name
frank basin
talk more
teal marten
zealot take lot of spot light
Because usually they are pretty nice
fleet garden
I dont like anythign else though
fleet garden
I play vet and vet only
teal marten
I dont like anythign else though
Have you tried all the other classes?
frank basin
Because usually they are pretty nice
because the game mostly you engage melee combatting
fleet garden
Have you tried all the other classes?
yes
frank basin
my friend once said shit about darktide isn't hybird combating
vernal trench
Creating non existent issues
fleet garden
but it feels bad when ogryn is so much stronger than vet
vernal trench
but it feels bad when ogryn is so much stronger than vet
So what
faint beacon
Put the work in
summer lance
Theres plenty good builds for v et
yes, there are, but the best ones will always be some variation of weapon specialist shout, because thats the stuff that lets vet live on higher difficulties, its an instant "nah, id live" button, press it, and you get 50 over toughness and it staggers literally anything in the game and everything around you
plus, a lot of the talents you take for vet are at the very bottom, where all the keystone stuff is, so you get barely any leg room and creativitey at the top
and the stuff at the bottom feels so essential to a good vet build that you get even less when taking that
stuff like tactical awareness, iron will, precision strikes, fully loaded, shock trooper for recon builds, onslaught for recon builds, trench fighter drill, reciprocity and desperado, are all so good and are good on basically ANY and even ALL veteran builds, that by the end, you dont have a lot of choice in the matter, unless you don't take those, and are actively gimping yourself in comparison to builds that DO take thouse
faint beacon
Prove you’re better
fleet garden
it feels bad?
faint beacon
That’s what I do
teal marten
but it feels bad when ogryn is so much stronger than vet
Use bolt gun, until the other guns get buffed bolt gun is the best imo
vernal trench
yes, there are, but the best ones will always be some variation of weapon specia...
Shouts survivability is pretty low compared to infiltrate
frank basin
but it feels bad when ogryn is so much stronger than vet
try beat the impossible
faint beacon
It’s honestly fucking hilarious top damaging over Newgryn when I’m running an Exec Stance MMF vigil build that’s using fucking Tunnel Vision
frank basin
if vet being looked weak as psyker, make build to beat the impossible
vernal trench
Cant deny a lot of the necessary stuff is pretty much used in every build tho
Thats just how it be
trim badger
but it feels bad when ogryn is so much stronger than vet
This is how Ogryns felt before the rework
vernal trench
Tactical awareness is necessity when its the only ability regen u get and an incredibly situational one at that
frank basin
key stone veteran is boring for me.
fleet garden
This is how Ogryns felt before the rework
well and ogryns got the same tip? play something else, some maybe did some didnt
vernal trench
key stone veteran is boring for me.
I go keystonless
Literally no points to even get close to one
wanton dawn
Come on it is week 1
fleet garden
I just know its bad when only one class gets a buff/rework because fatshark are so slow with any updates you will grow old with waiting
frank basin
I go keystonless
i did
faint beacon
Tactical awareness is necessity when its the only ability regen u get and an inc...
Only way for CDR and it’s overpowered
frank basin
felt stales
summer lance
Shouts survivability is pretty low compared to infiltrate
maybe, but infilitrate is also just a bad ability to take if you give any shits about your team and how they are doing, turning off agro and just leaving a situation will definitely screw them over while shouting and giving everyone in coherency 50 over toughness is just a better option for keeping yourself AND your team alive
vernal trench
U really dont need it
vernal trench
Only way for CDR and it’s overpowered
Overpowered when u happen to have specialists lined up
summer lance
i usually dont take a keystone on builds that wouldn't change much or really anything if i did take a keystone
trim badger
well and ogryns got the same tip? play something else, some maybe did some didnt
You can never go wrong with grenade vet build
Wahoo
vernal trench
*****maybe*****, but infilitrate is also just a bad ability to take if you give ...
Yea thats because u dont know how to play infiltrate, it will never directly support ur team like golden piss does i agree with that
frank basin
Overpowered when u happen to have specialists lined up
shock-pooper gauntlet is buffet for veteran
teal marten
*****maybe*****, but infilitrate is also just a bad ability to take if you give ...
You can use infiltrate to suppress ranged enemies though, so say there is a ton of gunners far away, you can sprint there and suppress them
vernal trench
shock-pooper gauntlet is buffet for veteran
Dont play it
zenith carbon
you can also shoot your gun to suppress ranged enemies
frank basin
Dont play it
i won't because hi-stg damn is instant death sentence for my entire pubbie teams
vernal trench
You can use infiltrate to suppress ranged enemies though, so say there is a ton ...
Infiltrate gets aggressive sometimes but u can do so much shit with it in return
Its a tradeoff
vernal trench
i won't because hi-stg damn is instant death sentence for my entire pubbie teams
I just dont play aurics for thwt reason
teal marten
I only use the good one
vernal trench
Shitters die and quit the game 15 times in one game
summer lance
You can use infiltrate to suppress ranged enemies though, so say there is a ton ...
and then you stuck yourself inside a bunch of gunners, with your ability on cooldown, when you can just
which most of the time, shuts gunners and even reapers up, iv seen it do wonders with a recon
vernal trench
Its insane
teal marten
I only use the good one
Voice of command
vernal trench
and then you stuck yourself inside a bunch of gunners, with your ability on cool...
Why would u ever use keep your heads down
frank basin
Shitters die and quit the game 15 times in one game
probably looking auric examplar
teal marten
Voc is overused
It's good
faint beacon
There’s a very wacky thing Infil users don’t do for some reason
vernal trench
Voc is overused
👆👆👆
wanton dawn
Chat is moving too fast for me tonigh. Am stepping out 
faint beacon
Stick ahead of the group right
frank basin
Voc is overused
that's been set to stone
faint beacon
You see elite that NEEDS to die
teal marten
I used VoC to get me the untouchable penance, worked like a charm
faint beacon
You pop infil
teal marten
The ogyrn helped too
faint beacon
Run to it and kill it
vernal trench
There’s a very wacky thing Infil users don’t do for some reason
Theres a wacky thing infiltrate players never do: actually know how to use it
sly orchid
You pop infil
Im going to infiltrate your bedroom
frank basin
hello yamato
summer lance
and then you stuck yourself inside a bunch of gunners, with your ability on cool...
and with shout, iron will, and confirmed kill, you can both kill and suppress the gunners
frank basin
i find lasgun is alright
faint beacon
Theres a wacky thing infiltrate players never do: actually know how to use it
Objectives, Killing High priority enemies that aren’t agroed
And they just
Fucking don’t
It drives me insane
vernal trench
Shout is a crutch that somehow everyone crutches on
vernal trench
Objectives, Killing High priority enemies that aren’t agroed
Ive seen maybe 5 infiltrate players since i only play havocs
teal marten
i find lasgun is alright
It's pretty mid in late game
vernal trench
All of which is dogshit
summer lance
also, infiltrate is gonna cost another 2 points to grab the BASE ability, and more for whatever modifiers
zenith carbon
shout is a crutch for the rest of the skill tree
frank basin
It's pretty mid in late game
oh havoc yes
vernal trench
also, infiltrate is gonna cost another 2 points to grab the BASE ability, and mo...
Yea thats the problem with the skill tree it has too much point tax to run anything ither than shout
teal marten
Bolt gun my beloved
frank basin
Bolt gun is so good
same as VoC
teal marten
same as VoC
Overused?
frank basin
could be
zenith carbon
i thought the pistol was the better one
vernal trench
I dont see that many vets running boltgun tbh
frank basin
what they run? autogun?
teal marten
Bolt pistol is good too, not as good as my bolt gun
vernal trench
what they run? autogun?
No one runs that shit in havoc
teal marten
Auto gun 🤮
hollow ibex
I dont see that many vets running boltgun tbh
And the ones that do are out of ammo in five minutes
vernal trench
Plasma gun, recon, boltgun, other shit
frank basin
No one runs that shit in havoc
second guess is plasma
trim badger
Shitters die and quit the game 15 times in one game
This is defenitely one thing I love about Havoc
No quitters
vernal trench
And the ones that do are out of ammo in five minutes <:KEKW_ogryn:10220771883229...
Ud be surprised
teal marten
Plasma gun, recon, boltgun, other shit
We naming good guns?
frank basin
Plasma gun, recon, boltgun, other shit
other shit? like combat shotgun?
vernal trench
Plasma gun is more ammo hungry than boltgun is somehow
vernal trench
This is defenitely one thing I love about Havoc
No quitters
Majority of the time
vernal trench
We naming good guns?
Yea cuz a lot of guns fall off hard once u enter havocs
trim badger
Plasma gun is more ammo hungry than boltgun is somehow
Survivalist should keep it well fed if you're not using it 24/7
dry cloak
Autoguns are good
frank basin
you'll explode after 8 shots
trim badger
Sorry, scavenger
vernal trench
Stopped using it after a game
teal marten
If I wanted a meter on my weapon I would run psyker
vernal trench
Survivalist should keep it well fed if you're not using it 24/7
Na
Not on havocs
Ur gonna be shooting a shit ton
trim badger
Not on havocs
As long as you don't get eternal gunner seed
vernal trench
Tha too
trim badger
You should be fine
vernal trench
That
Depends on player ig
But plasma gun is pretty ammo hungry in general
Like boltgun
summer lance
Yea thats the problem with the skill tree it has too much point tax to run anyth...
yes, this is the problem
also, the other abilities are fine, but when a decent veteran player using shout can just trivialize and press a panic button to get out of most situations, there isn't much of a point in taking the other abilities and hitting that point tax, other then specifically wanting to do a different vet build that doesn't use shout
vernal trench
yes, this is the problem
also, the other abilities are *fine*, but when a decent...
Yea i agree
Shout is just literally so op people sre too scared to run anything else
And they end up crutching it and golden toughness
tall torrent
Haven't played new havoc with vet yet
I hope u like power sword lol
vernal trench
And thats how they stay bad
dry cloak
yes, this is the problem
also, the other abilities are *fine*, but when a decent...
And then they yell that other classes are bad because no panoc button
vernal trench
I hope u like power sword lol
Powersword is so busted
frank basin
Shout is just literally so op people sre too scared to run anything else
i treat the shout tool as "I need a breathing room/a tool to stagger stop the enemy perform action"
trim badger
I hope u like power sword lol
The corageous duelling sword:
vernal trench
i treat the shout tool as "I need a breathing room/a tool to stagger stop the en...
Run it with no golden toughness
Thats acceptable
wanton dawn
I though ds4 was busted
tall torrent
The corageous duelling sword:
I don’t think it’s as good as power sword on vet rn
wanton dawn
Meta moving too fast for me
summer lance
also, and this may not apply to vet infiltrate
but 9/10, going into pubs and seeing a stealth zealot, they will run their ass behind a crusher a mile ahead of the team, kill that ONE crusher, then go down to the other shit around that 1 crusher
frank basin
Run it with no golden toughness
yeah i could do that
trim badger
I though ds4 was busted
It is
vernal trench
also, and this may not apply to vet infiltrate
but 9/10, going into pubs and se...
Thats just stealth in general
Most players just grief with it
They grief even on normal builds
dry cloak
I hold stealth to pick yp allies or do objectives
vernal trench
yeah i could do that
frank basin
i use gold toughness roleplay as machine gunner shooting my graia brace auto front enemy
frank basin
<:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926> <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
if you want me challenge that
faint beacon
DS will always be meta it’s just with the Havoc season changes
PS might be more effective
wanton dawn
An answer to a problem i did not have
trim badger
Never liked it on vet so i would not know
Vet has that 30% more headshot dmg talent
vernal trench
if you want me challenge that
I got a build for it but i rarely play it
trim badger
And superiority complex
dry cloak
DS will always be meta it’s just with the Havoc season changes
Unless nerf
tall torrent
PS might be more effective
U can cross out “might” because it is
frank basin
I got a build for it but i rarely play it
😪 well i guess i find veteran ability useful tool is 2/3
summer lance
I hold stealth to pick yp allies or do objectives
the best thing stealth is for
doing objectives when team is busy or just...not doing anything
helping guys up (but depending on the situation, that might just get them killed again, or worse, BOTH of you killed)
tall torrent
And superiority complex
Scales better on power sword than DS
wanton dawn
It's like DS paradise
No reliable antihorde secondary
tall torrent
And the finesse + melee crit chance node
Also scales better on power sword than DS
vernal trench
the best thing stealth is for
doing objectives when team is busy or just...not d...
The most obvious ones yea
faint beacon
See the one thing that drives me up a wall with PS
dry cloak
the best thing stealth is for
doing objectives when team is busy or just...not d...
Or moments x enemy needa to die NOW
tall torrent
Yeah but speed >:)
With new spawn systems, I rly don’t think it matters as much as before
faint beacon
But it’s a fun to use melee
frank basin
PS suck with moblity, i swap to taxe when using plasma
tall torrent
Ur gonna need to kill majority of spawn before moving up unless DH ritual forces u to anyway
faint beacon
With new spawn systems, I rly don’t think it matters as much as before <:KEKW_og...
The Sandwich
Iirc
frank basin
i can't kill the horde that keep surrounding me everytime
trim badger
No reliable antihorde secondary
Shredder nades
faint beacon
Backtrack and woe 30 maulers
vernal trench
The Sandwich
Most inconsistent shit ever
U can run half the map back and they will never spawn
trim badger
@tall torrent the more I see your tree proposal the more I like it methinks
summer lance
But it’s a fun to use melee
real
so fun to use in melee and chew stuff up with
but holy god its so damn slow, and some stuff can still stun you out of energized state
vernal trench
U go back half a room and suddenly 30 crushers
tall torrent
Shredder nades
Saying frag for horde is pretty funny because u don’t have infinitely available frags
It’s not an always readily available resource
frank basin
passively infinitely frag: demo stockpile
trim badger
Saying frag for horde is pretty funny because u don’t have infinitely available ...
No worries we can kill the 9999999 elites coming next horde and we should have it back again with demo team
:3
faint beacon
U go back half a room and suddenly 30 crushers
Turns around nothing
wanton dawn
Shredder nades
Shredder is a contingencies, not a build
faint beacon
Looks behind you one more time
vernal trench
The funny thing is i never ntoiced how good demo team is cuz im almost always out of that coherency range
faint beacon
Crusher pack jumpscare
tall torrent
No worries we can kill the 9999999 elites coming next horde and we should have i...
Nah it spawns maybe 50-70 in one horde
frank basin
The funny thing is i never ntoiced how good demo team is cuz im almost always ou...
charisma:
merry gale
i retreated 1 room back and it spawned 10 bulwarks on my ass
trim badger
Nah it spawns maybe 50-70 in one horde
Still pretty good odds
merry gale
that thing need some work
summer lance
oh yeah, i had an auric CIVI a few days ago
and holy god, NOTHING WAS SPAWNING for a good 5 minutes until every scab enemy every spawned at once
but still gave literally 0 horde or trash stuff
plus, a slug tried to spawn early in the mission, played the first slug spawn sound
0 follow up, never showed up
vernal trench
oh yeah, i had an auric CIVI a few days ago
and holy god, NOTHING WAS SPAWNING f...
Broken spawns
tall torrent
Still pretty good odds
Mathematically, no
trim badger
So sad they removed Archivum sycorax from Havoc
faint beacon
Too easy
trim badger
How are the new fellows supposed to get true Survivor now?
merry gale
but it has the cool ost so
tall torrent
A good metric for seeing the lowest bar of how RNG talents can be work is estimating how many enemies it takes for u to approach >99% chance to proc it at least once
merry gale
it balances out
faint beacon
Besides I don’t trust True Survivors
tall torrent
Which for demo team is 90
faint beacon
Some mfers with that perform FAR worse than I do
And I don’t even have True Survivor lmao
trim badger
Besides I don’t trust True Survivors
Thanks True Level mod for now showing people's 2.0 Havoc max completion
wanton dawn
Which for demo team is 90
Smell like bad math
merry gale
the only title u should trust is Poxbreaker because i run it
tall torrent
Smell like bad math
Nah
1-0.95^90 = 0.9901
vernal trench
How are the new fellows supposed to get true Survivor now?
Spamming golden toughness like losers
summer lance
another thing about spawns being broken
mortis trials will give you literally 0 bosses in 6 rounds, 10000 ragers on round 7, then a deserted ghost town up to round 12, where its just a scab captian or a daemonhost
wanton dawn
Nah
1-0.95^90 = 0.9901
Its once, not at least once
grand perch
man chonky you gotta realise not everyone can be on a skill level to duo havoc
faint beacon
Thanks True Level mod for now showing people's 2.0 Havoc max completion
Haven’t touched Havoc yet just been busy
trim badger
Spamming golden toughness like losers
I guess that's how I just had a true survivor run yesterday yeah
faint beacon
But I’ve gotten to H40 before Season change
frank basin
most gone play mortis for fun rouge-like
vernal trench
I guess that's how I just had a true survivor run yesterday yeah
Yea
faint beacon
I know new season is drastically different
trim badger
But I’ve gotten to H40 before Season change
Yeah now it shows nothing
vernal trench
True survuvor dont even mena anything
Everyone who has it got it carried pretty much
merry gale
i'd say old 40 is new 35
vernal trench
Or bugged
trim badger
True survuvor dont even mena anything
Tbh it does mean something for the FUCKING PSYKER THAT ALWAYS DIES SOMEHOW
vernal trench
i'd say old 40 is new 35
Even 30 is harder now
vernal trench
Tbh it does mean something for the FUCKING PSYKER THAT ALWAYS DIES SOMEHOW
Its always the psykers
trim badger
Gonna redo that when I’m home
I'm not smart in maths but isn't like
frank basin
True survuvor dont even mena anything
one guy promise willing pay anyone $30 steam gift card to help him get auric exampler title
vernal trench
one guy promise willing pay anyone $30 steam gift card to help him get auric exa...
LOL
faint beacon
Idk nor do I care
vernal trench
even i dont got that
pseudo fiber
Tbh it does mean something for the FUCKING PSYKER THAT ALWAYS DIES SOMEHOW
It is always the psykers that throw true survivor lol
vernal trench
15 games or whatever is too much
teal marten
I got a couple penances from mortis I think
trim badger
It is always the psykers that throw true survivor lol
I almost had a true survivor run at H40 yesterday
vernal trench
It is always the psykers that throw true survivor lol
Idk how i even got the amount i got
It just happens sometimes
trim badger
And the psyker falls right before the final event ends
frank basin
LOL
i met him, he gave me his account to assist his penances, and i cancel his contract because that was around august i was off U.S zone as vacation in shitty services region.
trim badger
So sad
vernal trench
Idk the need to specifically grind for it
frank basin
<:pogryn:961977701533614130> <:pogryn:961977701533614130>
i get disconnected a lot time during my vacation
merry gale
the only good title is Poxbreaker, all people with it are chads, trust them with ur life
summer lance
if you want a good indicator of exactly how good or experienced a player is, look for poxbreaker title (hella hours), maybe auxilia title (round 600-650 hours) or something like orthus secret hard mode insignia or ASS title
tall torrent
Wait
What would ur numbers be
@wanton dawn
wanton dawn
Stat hard, lemme get home 1st
merry gale
if you want a good indicator of exactly how good or experienced a player is, loo...
you could cheese ASS when it came out so be careful
frank basin
the only good title is Poxbreaker, all people with it are chads, trust them with...
what's penances for poxbreaker?
merry gale
what's penances for poxbreaker?
kill all the heretics
tall torrent
Cuz I’m calculating 1-(chance of it not working even once)
trim badger
It is always the psykers that throw true survivor lol
It hurts to see
merry gale
it's 1 million kills i think
tall torrent
I'm not smart in maths but isn't like
I’m pretty sure I’m right in the 90 estimate
frank basin
it's 1 million kills i think
vernal trench
if you want a good indicator of exactly how good or experienced a player is, loo...
Really doesnt mean anything
pseudo fiber
It hurts to see
A damn shame
wanton dawn
I’m pretty sure I’m right in the 90 estimate
At 5% its way too high
summer lance
It hurts to see
ogryn out damaging psyker is peak
vernal trench
U can play 4000 hours and be dogshit
trim badger
For new havoc yeah
wanton dawn
I think you are calculating a worse case
summer lance
i got my true survivor on a havoc 40 with randoms
tall torrent
At 5% its way too high
0.95 chance for it to not work
0.95^2 is for it to not work even once across 2 attempts
0.95^90 is for it to not work even once across 90 attempts
1-0.95^90 is for it to work at least once across 90 attempts, which is 0.9901
summer lance
and we were honestly hella lucky, but mostly just spamming relic lmao
vernal trench
I did get it in another run tho
No way dude its the freeze
frank basin
im simply minded ogryn only think 5/100 chances
grand perch
fan-fucking tastic, if i crash in the initial loading screen, i cant rejoin havoc. crahes every time, with or without mods
fuck this shit
tall torrent
I think you are calculating a worse case
I’m calculating a very extreme “bad luck situation”
wind grotto
make demo team go back to giving everyone a nade
trim badger
im simply minded ogryn only think 5/100 chances
It means it'll always happens every 20 tries!
I'm a very smart person
frank basin
make demo team go back to giving everyone a nade
i need this
tall torrent
It means it'll always happens every 20 tries!
I'm a very smart person
(but is wrong)
frank basin
It means it'll always happens every 20 tries!
I'm a very smart person
3 time of 20 tries?
wanton dawn
I’m calculating a very extreme “bad luck situation”
In 99'1% scenario you'll get at least a nade before hitting 90 enemies ?
trim badger
<:chadgryn:1161142998214656090> (but is wrong)
(I know)
If I kill 70 elites and don't get 2 nades I'll scream in the void
tall torrent
In 99'1% scenario you'll get at least a nade before hitting 90 enemies ?
In 99.01% scenarios, you may take up to 90 attempts to get 1 nade back from demo team
trim badger
Btw it's curious to see more vets running kraks on havoc now lol
frank basin
then is gamble nade
frank basin
Btw it's curious to see more vets running kraks on havoc now lol
anti-tank favor
faint beacon
I’m calculating a very extreme “bad luck situation”
So me
tall torrent
I don’t see where my maths is wrong
frank basin
probably crusher, bulwalk, reaper
faint beacon
Yeah shit my bad
tall torrent
Gamble with demo team + twinned blast
frank basin
yes they want boss dmg
faint beacon
Forgot my rabbits foot and 4 leaf clover
frank basin
kark twinned blast
trim badger
Also I have a feeling that
tall torrent
I once threw 3 continuous twinned blast procs
trim badger
Recon is better than plasma now in havoc
merry gale
you aren't an OG darktide player if you don't like gambling
wanton dawn
In 99.01% scenarios, you may take up to 90 attempts to get 1 nade back from demo...
Again, it is "at least". In 0.1% scenario, you may have no nade in killing 90 enemies
tall torrent
Again, it is "at least". In 0.1% scenario, you may have no nade in killing 90 en...
Yea
frank basin
recon got back popularity
wanton dawn
It is stat. Careful how you write your conclusion
tall torrent
Yea
trim badger
you aren't an OG darktide player if you don't like gambling
The friend who bought me the game is so stuck in the past
SHE STILL USES MELK AS AN ATTEMPT TO GET A GOOD "380"
tall torrent
I wrote
99% chance to have at least 1 nade back from demo team within 90 attempts
Idk how that would be a wrong conclusion
trim badger
Instead of just using brunts armory to get the best roll
trim badger
bring back gambling
Imagine one day the silently dropped red weapons
With 100% stats
tall torrent
Imagine one day the silently dropped red weapons
Only available at 0.025% drop rate in Mortis Trials
frank basin
remove the masteries bring back gambling rng weapon rolls
tall torrent
trim badger
Only available at 0.025% drop rate in Mortis Trials
LOL
vernal trench
Dude what if they add a boss that resets ur character if he hits u
frank basin
reset level after took a hit
trim badger
Dude what if they add a boss that resets ur character if he hits u
They obviously should add forced permadeath
merry gale
they'll add red with havoc campaign 3 where every enemy is replaced by a berserk bulwark
frank basin
permadeath mode
vernal trench
They obviously should add forced permadeath
Na itll just uninstall the game for u
vernal trench
Trapper monstrosity when?
frank basin
giant trapper???
teal marten
Dude what if they add a boss that resets ur character if he hits u
That happens sometimes, I get hit and crash randomly
wanton dawn
I wrote
>99% chance to have at least 1 nade back from demo team within 90 attemp...
Fair. Guess my issue was i expected expected number to get a nade rather than a worse case
frank basin
can net up to 2 player
raw needle
They obviously should add forced permadeath
irl
teal marten
The final boss: poor game design
vernal trench
The final boss: poor game design
Na
tall torrent
Fair. Guess my issue was i expected expected number to get a nade rather than a ...
Yea ik it never gets to 100% chance, so >99% is good enough of an estimate
vernal trench
Final boss is your own teamates
trim badger
Ok guys rate my shitty idea
Allow vet to carry 2 guns if he so desires
Allow zealot to carry 2 melees if he so desires
puts phone in vibration mode
teal marten
Final boss is your own teamates
True, pub matches are like ranked siege matches
vernal trench
The game can never get harder than when u have the shittiest of teamates
frank basin
Ok guys rate my shitty idea
Allow vet to carry 2 guns if he so desires
Allow z...
i want hotshot volley gun or heavy stubber
raw needle
remove zealot and add in slayer bardin
trim badger
remove zealot and add in slayer bardin
Me when Ogryn exists
tall torrent
The game can never get harder than when u have the shittiest of teamates
Duelling sword chorus zealot with martyrdom and martyr’s purpose
teal marten
remove zealot and add in slayer bardin
remove psyker, add ratlings
frank basin
coghammer
trim badger
ogryn cant jump and doesnt have axes
He has charge!!!
dry cloak
i want hotshot volley gun or heavy stubber
We already have a heavy stubber
trim badger
But yeah Ogryn should get a big axe
teal marten
Ogyrns are so silly
trim badger
That would be cool ;)
vernal trench
Duelling sword chorus zealot with martyrdom and martyr’s purpose
That is some shit
raw needle
We already have a heavy stubber
i dont want to charge tho
frank basin
We already have a heavy stubber
non-ogryn heavy stubber
raw needle
i wanna jump
frank basin
wwe ogryn
teal marten
i wanna jump
It's not too late to get help
raw needle
when are we getting the vermtinide colla b even......
tall torrent
That is some shit
I got that yesterday and he costed us a game at the very end
teal marten
Lmao
trim badger
i wanna jump
Replace gunlugger with this
tall torrent
But yeah Ogryn should get a big axe
He has pickaxe
teal marten
He has pickaxe
It works wonders too
trim badger
He has pickaxe
Ok so????
raw needle
ur wrong.....
raw needle
and you argument falls flat
teal marten
I want a commisar outfit
teal marten
Pls pls pls
merry gale
the difference is bardin's pickaxe sucks ass
frank basin
But yeah Ogryn should get a big axe
copium of weapon customization
raw needle
i think its 5
twin axes
shield axe
axe
great axe
throwing axe
tall torrent
and you argument falls flat
Does ogryn have actual axe adjacent weapons in lore excluding pickaxes
teal marten
There should be a tech priest outfit for psyker
raw needle
Does ogryn have actual axe adjacent weapons in lore excluding pickaxes
it barely matters tbh cause its varied from writer to writer
so is all of warhammer
if gw allows it ogryn gets an axe
merry gale
ogryns can get anything aslong as it's crude and allows him to smash
frank basin
that's every vet wanted
trim badger
I'm so sad that the closest thing we have to a sniper rifle
raw needle
its less of a lore constraint and more of a how much of a bitch do i want to make out of myself today
frank basin
more toy to shoot
merry gale
so long he doesn't get anything that can break easily it's lore accurate
coarse wolf
helbore is dmr?
charged dmr but yes
raw needle
well maybe once in a while
frank basin
boycott gw
raw needle
surely
tall torrent
I hope it’s good
raw needle
it's bound to be good
wanton dawn
I hope it’s good
One handed
raw needle
every weapon drop since uhh
tall torrent
One handed <:Sitgryn:1016269420638765107>
It’s 2-handed
raw needle
since after crusher
raw needle
was good
trim badger
It’s 2-handed
Only zealot
merry gale
vets deluded enough to think they'll get 2 handers
coarse wolf
force axe when
faint beacon
Casually ignoring shock maul
tall torrent
Only zealot
Navy breacher has 2-handed axes and they definitely don’t fall under the “zealot only” stereotype
coarse wolf
Casually ignoring shock maul
smaul is mid is why
frank basin
why are we wishing new weapons & shit in darktide?
faint beacon
Correction it’s abysmal dogshit
frank basin
they won't bring to us
trim badger
Navy breacher has 2-handed axes and they definitely don’t fall under the “zealot...
I don't know shit bout warhammer so
raw needle
Correction it’s abysmal dogshit
trim badger
I'm like a 5 year old in regards of warhammer lore
teal marten
If Psykers get a two hand why don't vets
merry gale
the only thing you should wish for is more las weapons
teal marten
Psykers are malnourished
trim badger
the only thing you should wish for is more las weapons
A true soldier here
teal marten
Get them out of here
teal marten
the only thing you should wish for is more las weapons
Yes
pseudo fiber
tall torrent
vernal trench
I got that yesterday and he costed us a game at the very end
Lmfao
frank basin
i perferly more autogun
raw needle
the only thing you should know about warhammer is that if the writer wills something its gonna get changed
pseudo fiber
eyy
coarse wolf
I'm like a 5 year old in regards of warhammer lore
then can you answer: are straw hats canon to the 40k universe
I googled this last week and got nothing out of it
vernal trench
Havoc pubs just suck ass
wanton dawn
Does straw exists in w40k ? 
trim badger
then can you answer: are straw hats canon to the 40k universe
I googled this las...
O_o
raw needle
Does straw exists in w40k ? <:loregryn:1036580674741731379>
they got agri worlds
we good
merry gale
they're canon if you say there's straw hats on ur agri world you made up for ur homebrew
trim badger
Havoc pubs just suck ass
No shit they do
merry gale
that's how it works
coarse wolf
if they do, new ogryn cosmetic 
trim badger
Havoc Hell (30) is pain
trim badger
Because pubbers join from the previous havoc 40 expecting an easy time
wanton dawn
I got an easy time tbf
sharp epoch
Ive seen some really good players
I had these two xbox players they were cracked
tall torrent
Havoc Hell (30) is pain
Havoc Hell is 27-33
trim badger
Only at havoc 35 players are noticeable not bad
merry gale
Only at havoc 35 players are noticeable not bad
yeah no
vernal trench
Because pubbers join from the previous havoc 40 expecting an easy time
This new update really filters out a lot of the bad players
merry gale
i cleared 40 and there's still dogshit players
wanton dawn
This new update really filters out a lot of the bad players
Its week 1 with demotion
vernal trench
if he can do it its really not saying much
sharp epoch
I feel like havoc after reset is easier somehow
vernal trench
Most bad players can still clear a 40
coarse wolf
e can because he no lifes the game
tall torrent
I feel like havoc after reset is easier somehow
Less bullshit modifiers
wanton dawn
Only hard thing about havoc is the lfg
merry gale
yeah
trim badger
No "the Blight Spreads" is like a huge improvement LOL
merry gale
20 minutes to find a party that doesn't decline my request despite my clearance level showing 40
trim badger
And there was people saying these new modifiers would be worse than the previous ones
sharp epoch
Less bullshit modifiers
No like havoc 2.0 but after the week reset it got easier
trim badger
20 minutes to find a party that doesn't decline my request despite my clearance ...
Is it 40 from current havoc or previous havoc
frank basin
20 minutes to find a party that doesn't decline my request despite my clearance ...
if you have title they let you in, if is reject, i they may decline your request.
merry gale
Is it 40 from current havoc or previous havoc
current, it can only be current
trim badger
No like havoc 2.0 but after the week reset it got easier
I'll check out later and see
faint beacon
Ever since I sent that Breacher Axe we’ve weaponized it in defense of Veteran being able to use 2 handed weapons LMAO
That and I’d actually kill for the breacher axe
merry gale
it's a bland boring ass firefighter axe tho
frank basin
most ranged weapon are 2-handed
tall torrent
it's a bland boring ass firefighter axe tho
The leaked model isn’t
merry gale
lil bros, you won't get the 2 handed power axe
faint beacon
Yeah but it’s a huge fuck off axe
tall torrent
The leaked model is a full 2-handed power axe
tall torrent
that's for zealot
I wouldn’t be surprised
faint beacon
Rage bait
coarse wolf
new 30 is old h40
frank basin
Vet has worse melee selection than every other class
beside your beloved rashad
merry gale
you'll get ur most iconic range weapon, the lasgun, be absolute dogshit and you'll like it
frank basin
more lassy
tall torrent
beside your beloved rashad
Rashad is not as competitive as before in new havoc & mortis
coarse wolf
Vet has worse melee selection than every other class
this is why i dislike playing vet
but i still want to learn him
tall torrent
but i still want to learn him
Power sword 24/7 until they add a good melee to veteran
coarse wolf
Power sword 24/7 until they add a good melee to veteran
shovel
frank basin
my friend favorite
merry gale
get psword+bolter and shout and u can have a bonobo play the game
coarse wolf
Veteran is overpowered…
forced ranged = boring to me
i play this game for melee combat
trim badger
new 30 is old h40
New 25 is old 40*
merry gale
nah 25 still ez
coarse wolf
if i wanted ranged I'd go play cod
frank basin
play zombie
trim badger
nah 25 still ez
And old 40 wasn't ez?
faint beacon
You’re just bad if you can’t complete 40 duh
wanton dawn
And old 40 wasn't ez?
Occasional shooter bullcrap
tall torrent
You’re just bad if you can’t complete 40 duh
Gale calm down u didn’t even play havoc after update
trim badger
Idk I didn't play new h25 tbh
Lowest I played was 29 while I was escaping havoc hell
coarse wolf
dorn keeps making me play 3vegs and 1-2's in duos 
faint beacon
Gale calm down u didn’t even play havoc after update
Haven’t even beaten H50 🚬
coarse wolf
I'm not having a good time
tall torrent
I hope they add toll to base game
merry gale
25 to 35 ez fun and +35 it's challenging fun, then at 39-40 it's not bery fun
tall torrent
Just make it activate at like 30% health
Instead of 50% like havoc
Toll is genuinely the best modifier they’ve added in a long time
trim badger
I hope they add toll to base game
I think all new modifiers except the healing one could be added into normal rotations
frank basin
30% looks reasonable for them to rage
trim badger
Also I think they should add moebian 21st to the normal map rotation as well
tall torrent
I think all new modifiers except the healing one could be added into normal rota...
I don’t mean normal rotation
pseudo fiber
1000%
tall torrent
I mean permanent bake into base game
trim badger
I mean permanent bake into base game
Oh shit uh
tall torrent
U cannot play without it active
trim badger
I think I'd rather y'know
merry gale
nah, just add everything to the auric board
trim badger
Have a new specific enemy that gets enraged
merry gale
and call it a day
trim badger
Or adding it just to ragers
unreal nova
Also I think they should add moebian 21st to the normal map rotation as well
Just another modifier to make ppl equip for it. Just use the event ver though.
frank basin
i thinking havoc should be let you decide select multiple modifier will rank up faster.
unreal nova
Cos 4.5 or so hit mass would suck.
tall torrent
I think I'd rather y'know
Nah
frank basin
rather force random modifier
tall torrent
Every elite enemy
trim badger
https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-enraged-reaction-mad-plus-enraged-gif-27359513
Gonna start seeing this in every game
vernal trench
it was but it was tedious ez
Na
tall torrent
Or adding it just to ragers
Nah
All elite enemies
vernal trench
Old and new 40 is just pretty easy
trim badger
Nah
All elite enemies
I hate REAPERS THO
vernal trench
Old 40 was so easy it wasnt even worth playing
But new havoc is atleast a bit harder and is fun for now
frank basin
I hate REAPERS THO
mutiple gunner scatter across the area
tall torrent
I hate REAPERS THO
Buddy 30% health gate to activate, idk how that’s so much of a hurdle to a havoc-only player
unreal nova
Can you see why people dislike the top 0.1% at times for ruining games?
teal marten
I hate REAPERS THO
Those are the gun guys right?
vernal trench
new 40's still a slog
Its too easy tbh
teal marten
What's wrong with them
vernal trench
I expected more
trim badger
Buddy 30% health gate to activate, idk how that’s so much of a hurdle to a havoc...
Ok but my hatred is eternal you see
vernal trench
But its just a bit harder than 30s
trim badger
Those are the gun guys right?
Gun ogryns yea
vernal trench
Idk what i was expecting
But it was very underwhelming when i did a 40 couple days ago
teal marten
Why do people have numbers in their name
tall torrent
Ok but my hatred is eternal you see
Yea duelling sword nerf is gonna be eternal too
vernal trench
And still so after doing it so many times