veteran-class

[sleek garden]

actual cesspool would be helldivers discord

[faint beacon]

It’s probably too taxing but I did try it out and it

[sleek garden]

full of children

[faint beacon]

Holy shit

Feels good to use

[narrow frost]

Telling you

[faint beacon]

Shocking for Shredder pistol

[narrow frost]

Shredder has always been good

[sleek garden]

i liked shredder on my zealot

before the buff

[narrow frost]

People who don't understand say it's bad

[red robin]

so what's the science on shredder?

onslaught?

[sleek garden]

the science is point front towards enemy

[faint beacon]

Aim at head

[sleek garden]

dont let go of the trigger

[faint beacon]

It’s got good finesse

[sleek garden]

see thats what surprises me

[faint beacon]

Boss go bye bye

[sleek garden]

it doesnt look like a weapon with good finesse

[lusty ether]

it's the same with the braced autogun

in a sense

[sleek garden]

i just cant get into using braced autos

idk

even with marksmans focus

and exy stance

its like

[faint beacon]

Look I’m just saying we should gaslight the community into thinking the vigils are what they used to think of the shredder

[sleek garden]

i need to shoot that guy 40 meters away sprinting at us

but i cant land a headshot

[faint beacon]

So I can solely benefit from its buffs

[lusty ether]

yeah, it's kinda annoying

[faint beacon]

🚬

[red robin]

i feel psychotic

[sleek garden]

i struggle with vigilants a bit

[faint beacon]

Fool proof plan

[lusty ether]

like if your team isn't on point in clearing further threats

you generally feel a bit hampered

[sleek garden]

i mean the single shot one is a dmr

but the other two are like hmmm

[red robin]

im using born leader with the catch a breath changes for a toughness regen build for team

[faint beacon]

Shredder has built in Run N Gun

So you can sprint and fire now

[red robin]

marksmen focus tunnel vision increasing it by the stack amount

[faint beacon]

@narrow frost it’s clicked to me I gotta test how funny this might be but

MMF Tunnel Vision + Ins Barrage on Shredder

[narrow frost]

Instant toughness

Would be too much

[red robin]

truee

[narrow frost]

But funny

[red robin]

born leader works even if you have full toughness

[faint beacon]

Me firing my gun for two seconds to immediately generate toughness

[grand perch]

dont you feel tougher holding a gun and going fuller auto with it?

[tame lodge]

I sure as hell do

https://tenor.com/view/gatling-gun-shoot-them-heavy-weapons-big-gun-ammo-gif-18134044

[dry cloak]

firerate stacking achyls twin link

[tame lodge]

Oh yeah

New blo ups the fire rate

Gotta get a CRIT ripper and let it rip on trials

[arctic rampart]

but you choose the tiniest axe

[faint beacon]

Make sure to do a 66% ammo 74% collat if you can

So you can abuse 1 shell per stack on Blaze etc

[grand perch]

with that attack speed, tac axes are basically the fuller auto of melee weapons

[trim steppe]

Is that the perfect stat distribution on crit ripper?

[tame lodge]

Yeah because of Blaze Away stacks

[trim steppe]

Interesting

[tame lodge]

At 66 you get 20 ammo in the mag

So you stack with 1 shot

With 21 in the mag you need 2 shots

Something along those lines

[faint beacon]

Ripper in general

Plasma and Ripper have hard to obtain perfect stat distris

[trim steppe]

Well shit, I guess I gotta reroll my rippers

Got a 71 TR / 70 CR Plasma already, which is good enough for me lol

Here I am with 3 rippers with 60 collateral like a chump

[tall torrent]

19

[tame lodge]

At 66 you get 19 ammo in the mag

[tall torrent]

Yez

[arctic rampart]

I mean I like tac axe as well, at least the W + left click spam one. But it is TINY. TINY AXE + the most massive mini gun you can find?

[thorn lark]

19 is perfect for cavalcade as well

And inspiring

[trim steppe]

So do all the 10% mag spent blessings count each "10%" discreetly rather than an actual percentage of the mag?

With a 19 mag the "10%" is rounded down to 1, so after 5 shots you've hit 50% despite having 14/19 shots left?

If so, that's the silliest

[tall torrent]

Yez

It rounds down

[void dragon]

Mate Veteran, what melee weapons the class have that can make you feel good?

[narrow frost]

If path doesn't say taxe, smh

[void dragon]

He didn't said Taxe

[tame lodge]

Knoife 6

Psword 6

Dueling 4

Hsword 9

Rashad 3

[fervent quest]

Which vet shovels are good? Mk VII?

[tame lodge]

1 and 7

[void dragon]

Knife Psword Hsword and rashad

That's all the options of the veteran?

[tame lodge]

Shock Mauls are pretty average

[fervent quest]

Deathblow and Headtaker presuming?

[tame lodge]

Chainsword is more of a horde clearing weapon

Tactical Axes need a bump to be good

Don't remember about Chain Axe

[trim steppe]

Chainsword is fun but mid

[tame lodge]

Don't remember about Dclaw

[void dragon]

Chaxe is the most satisfying chain weapon and not even close

[tame lodge]

Shovels are average

[tall torrent]

If tac axe did 2x their current unyielding and carapace damage, and did enough damage to kill things in 1-2 hits to use BM better without tremendous talent investment, I would put it in top 5 easily

[dry cloak]

Hsword 6

Fight me

[narrow frost]

I know it's not top 5, but it's so good

It can't compared to broken things rn

[grand perch]

tac axe propaganda is real

[narrow frost]

But it's so close

[grand perch]

that doesnt mean they shouldnt use it

[narrow frost]

Sooooooo close

[lusty ether]

ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-axe

[faint beacon]

Small buffs to it easily could make it Rashad tier

[crude fiber]

Max attack speed zealot makes a lot of mid weapons feel silly fun

Taxe and dclaw both are dumb lawnmower weapons on a FOTF Marty build

[dry cloak]

Psyker and vet can make a lot of mid weapons good

[acoustic flare]

Can anyone drop me a plasma gun build

[faint beacon]

Veteran can make a lot of guns go from mid to good

Whilst Zealot is for Melee

Psykers pure buffs and everything can very easily let them get away with a lot

[acoustic flare]

Do you have a build ?

[faint beacon]

For?

[acoustic flare]

Plasma gun ?

[faint beacon]

Ask path cause I’m like the #1 plasma hater

[drifting ridge]

what blessings are good for the power sword?

[hollow ibex]

sunder/brumentum + pc4

[faint beacon]

BM PC4 For havoc

BM has more value in Havoc

[hollow ibex]

id personally just always go with BM

[drifting ridge]

what's pc4?

[faint beacon]

Real question is why are playing Vet in Havoc

[unique orchid]

power cycler tier 4

[drifting ridge]

what does that mean?

[unique orchid]

power cycler is a blessing that adds a swing to your powered state

tier 4 gives you a second swing

[drifting ridge]

i see i see

[hollow axle]

They are not good ?

[drifting ridge]

so I'd get 3 swings in total powered? or just 2 swings?

[unique orchid]

3

[hollow axle]

2 after the third level of blessing

Not First ones

[drifting ridge]

maxed out blessing would be 3 powered swings then?

[unique orchid]

correct

[hollow axle]

Yes

[drifting ridge]

aight

gucci gucci

[trim steppe]

Vet is probably the weakest class right now, but not by much, they all feel good now finally since the Ogryn was buffed

[thorn lark]

Taxe with agile engagement + ws is pretty good ngl

[unique orchid]

where is vet weak? the class feels rather "jack of all trades" to myself, but i could be wrong

[drifting ridge]

i main zealot, but I like trying out every class

so rn I'm playing around with vet setup

[trim steppe]

Ogryn and psyker are just crazy rn, zealot is amazing, and vet is "just" great

[drifting ridge]

got a friend who proper mains vet too, so I wanna learn the stuff that's good on vet so I can tell her about it

especially when we start doing havoc with the whole group

[trim steppe]

The top left portion of the tree (before nades), Exec stance, and marksman keystone are the worst parts of the tree, very niche use case. Everything else is great

[hollow ibex]

it's just been powercreeped over time

[acoustic flare]

Who ???

[faint beacon]

The changes to havoc in the new season with the old meta outside of existing for ammo

You’re far more detrimental

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent

[unique orchid]

i see i see

honestly though? lore accurate guardsman, reliable but not the strongest in any situation

[hollow axle]

What would be best composition ? Still 1 psykers 2 book ?

[faint beacon]

Ogryn is an easy pick now

[trim steppe]

Not really. That's still great but it's main purpose was to cheese all the shooters. That isn't the issue anymore

[faint beacon]

Insanely good team anchor after rework

[trim steppe]

Any combo will work now

[faint beacon]

Basically Ogryn and Vet swapped places with

Who I’m kicking the most out of strike teams

[trim steppe]

1 of each class would probably feel the best ngl

[unique orchid]

[thorn lark]

So toxic

[acoustic flare]

@tall torrent when you get a chance pls can you drop me a plasma gun build 🤞

[thorn lark]

Community so dead

[trim steppe]

But it really doesn't matter as much as it used to, main thing is that the players know their class

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/commit-to-being-evil-darkest-timeline-community-tv-show-abed-nadir-gif-13127488769617847032

[hollow axle]

Still searching for the medic/support Veteran build

[unique orchid]

just play VoC with field improv

[faint beacon]

I’m just saying it’s a truth nuke you’ll only need vet for Surv now

Cause Ogryn is going to be the Staple frontliner

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/britney-britney-toxic-toxic-britney-spears-britney-spears-gif-15645131598906565533

[trim steppe]

VOC, Born Leader, Out for Blood, maybe field improv if you really want to commit to "support"

[hollow axle]

Ty but I heard about a build regen toughness of others with the New node to regen toughness without to be in melee

[faint beacon]

Issue

Best support is killing things

[unique orchid]

i also like i believe it's "For the emperor" or whatever where on skill use everyone gains short range damage with melee and ranged for a while

[trim steppe]

Tho even if you kill stuff, stealth is anti-support

[unique orchid]

special murder is very helpful yes

[narrow frost]

weapons has up to 3 marks that change dps, attack pattern and their special move

[spice tulip]

Is that slug or normal

[hollow axle]

Best CC is death but VB still best staff.

[narrow frost]

Agripinna is slug

people tell the different marks apart by name or number

[spice tulip]

Nice so I'll be enjoying that

Cheers

[unique orchid]

do you guys fw the lasgun?

[narrow frost]

which one

[unique orchid]

infantry lasgun

[narrow frost]

its good to just chill and go pew pew

[faint beacon]

Unironically just considering doing a Helby Exe build for havoc and dedicating myself to killing elites and specials

[unique orchid]

kinda based

[faint beacon]

Look id rather make it easier on the psyker and Ogryn to nuke the bosses and hordes

Cause they do that job better

[unique orchid]

nah listen man i play squad leader veteran with a chainsword and laspistol, i get your vision

[tall torrent]

what melee weapon

[acoustic flare]

Any

[tall torrent]

any preferences u have

[inner iris]

thats not really a thing in this game unfortunately

[narrow frost]

it is if you know the maps

[unique orchid]

there are always times you need to fight in melee but if you hang back a little you dont need to be always in hordes of chaff

[acoustic flare]

Hmm maybe chain sword 🗡️

[tall torrent]

this is what I use for plasma

[acoustic flare]

Tyvm

How should I build the gun ?

[acoustic flare]

Ty 🙂

[inner iris]

bUT ThE MetA

jk

i play the infantry lasgun and shovel quite a lot still

[dry cloak]

Good

Play off meta

Have fun

[inner iris]

but it kinda feels like a all around special at nothing kinda build

[dry cloak]

Because thats what it is

Try vigil autoguns

[inner iris]

its kind of annoying trying to shoot things but constantly getting harrassed by the basic enemies and having to switch to the shovel

and not having any time to shoot the specials

[dry cloak]

Veterunt problems

Play ogryn

[inner iris]

but the lasgun is bad against armour still so it feels like a bad single target weapon at the same time

[dry cloak]

Kraks

[mellow cobalt]

what melee pairs well with db shotgun

[inner iris]

yeah

but i dont wanna spend the talent points for them

[dry cloak]

Any

[mellow cobalt]

i love recon for gunners

[inner iris]

cus i wanna stick to the left side of the tree

[mellow cobalt]

of all types

the trick with lasguns is you gotta try for headshots, I only use recon lasguns for this reason because I'm a terrible shot

[dry cloak]

Crits may be your only jole here

[inner iris]

the recon lasgun is probably better than the infantry in pretty much everything

[mellow cobalt]

but I've seen people use helbore and infantry to great effect

[inner iris]

but i dont like the automatic lasgun

[dry cloak]

Right now yes

[mellow cobalt]

okay valid

[inner iris]

cus i wanna rp as the og guardsman

[calm shard]

Mk VII is better against armor

[mellow cobalt]

tbf, recon lasgun is also used by guardsmen in lore, just elysians, but I feel u :>

[calm shard]

Doesn't get Ghost

[inner iris]

high damage variant?

[calm shard]

it's the mid damage variant

[mellow cobalt]

infantry lasgun is good at snipey snipey

[calm shard]

high damage variant is currently overkill for anything you'd want to shoot with a lasgun

[inner iris]

yeah i use the mid damage variant

i wanna use the high damage one but i know its bad

[trim steppe]

Would you use the same with PS?

[inner iris]

is the fast firing variant good?

[tall torrent]

why not

[inner iris]

i didnt think it was good because i thought it couldnt 1 hit basic enemies

though maybe i just didnt upgrade it enough

[calm shard]

probably the best one

[trim steppe]

Not sure how impactful trench fighter and WS are with plasma/PS over, say, bring it down + focus target + redirect fire

[tall torrent]

it's quite noticeable

[unique orchid]

i use a crit build and basically just spam around their head with the m1a, it works eventually

otherwise once again lore accurate guardsman with a flashlight

[faint beacon]

Slow draw speed weapons and low mobility melee

Benefits

Well ahem “slow”

It’s not

[inner iris]

whats the best perks for infantry lasgun?

im currently running ranged crit damage and ranged weak spot damage

[unique orchid]

i use flak and maniac

[inner iris]

is crit chance worth it?

[unique orchid]

not really since you can run deadshot

[inner iris]

i dont run deadshot

[unique orchid]

i see

flak and maniac are still better

+25% damage goes insane

[inner iris]

what enemies are manic for?

[unique orchid]

ragers, flamers, and mutants

[faint beacon]

Maniac lets you consistently 2 shot ragers iirc cause of las weapon dealing with maniac better

[unique orchid]

flak lets you deal with most every other special since they usually have armor

anything without armor the lasgun is good against anyway

though dont bother shooting carapace armor (Crushers, mauler helmets, scab rager bodies)

[tame lodge]

Ranged weakspot damage/CRIT damage perk is not worth using due to how FS calculates damage

An extra 25% against armor type is better

In this case

Flak Maniacs

[uncut pebble]

And flamer.

Wait you said flamer.

I meant trapper.

Oops.

[unique orchid]

ah yes also trappers

[hollow ibex]

holy fuck

did they really still not fix the inventory bug?

unbelievable

ah yes

of course, it's fixed by a mod because fatshart couldn't be arsed to fix the fucking bug themselves

[trim steppe]

Which?

[hollow ibex]

the bug that this mods fixes

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/485

[trim steppe]

Thank you friend

[hollow ibex]

yeh np, was updatign my mods and saw it

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-emperor-warhammer40000-warhammer40k-astartes-gif-14334202

the issue was bugging the shit out of me because i'm constantly revising my weapons

[trim steppe]

Same lol

I actually assumed that one of my other inventory mods was busting it, and not that Fatshark dropped the ball on the inventory in general

My mistake

[hollow ibex]

tbf with most games mods are prob the first culprit for bugs.... but this is a fatshart game

this issue actually first came up

when fatshart issued a XBOX hotfix for connectivity issues

not making this up

somehow they managed to break the fucking inventory UI during that hotfix

[tropic halo]

What a saviour of a mod

[orchid hemlock]

Holy finally

I'm still waiting for crosshair mod to return tho 😔

[trim steppe]

typical lmao

[trim steppe]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/253

[orchid hemlock]

No not that one

Crosshair hud

[gilded rock]

What is the optimal stat distribution for plasma again?

[tall torrent]

perfect stats are
80 dmg
80 stopping power
80 ammo
68~69 thermal resist
71~72 charge rate
unarmored
flak
gets hot
rising heat

[gilded rock]

I saw in a pin that plasma doesn't need flak

Is shitpost or old/bad advice?

[tall torrent]

where

in my doc?

[pseudo fiber]

older

[gilded rock]

Tbf

The one above it tells me what I think I should know

[tall torrent]

flak gives 1 bodyshot both shotgunners

with minimal talent investments

u decide if that's worth it for u

[gilded rock]

Sounds purty good

Is plasma decent with weakspot talents?

Running it in an exec stance build at the request of a friend

[tall torrent]

it needs precision strikes

[tall torrent]

works but not recommended

it's just shy of major bodyshot 1 tap breakpoints with exe stance

[gilded rock]

Even including focus target damage?

Plus redirect fire

[tall torrent]

yea

[orchid hemlock]

Who's queen?

[pseudo fiber]

No clue

[sharp epoch]

how far are u on havoc @tall torrent

the new one

[sharp epoch]

yeah cat was a 1000+ vet if i remember correctly queen is probably wrong

[tall torrent]

didn't grind, was updating guide

why

[sharp epoch]

im wondering whats the optimal build bc the new modifiers are really bad into frag spam at least

i swapped to kraks now for the boss spam

[tall torrent]

it depends

u need strong boss tools

ofc

but vet has to make big compromises to get that

u directly drop mixed horde clear by quite a bit by not taking frags

and the only good economically viable boss dps gun for vet is infernus recon, and only rly for shooting at BoN

[gilded rock]

Finally

[sharp epoch]

the healing and rage thing also go against frag spam like im unwittingly activating the rage buff for them

[tall torrent]

yea, bring a power sword with BM

[sharp epoch]

shooting bosses most the time for me is a waste of ammo especially for havoc so its mostly ps dueling

[tall torrent]

toll wants u to confirm kills as best u can

[vernal trench]

Does path even play havocs?

[tall torrent]

yea

I just don't have time to grind

[vernal trench]

i saw a guy named path that was a book zealot

It was funny

[tall torrent]

none of my characters are named that lol

[vernal trench]

Yea but he reminded me of u

[sharp epoch]

awwww

[vernal trench]

What havoc are u on now blubery

[sharp epoch]

the hell that is 30-32

[vernal trench]

Dayum

Stuck in that partyfinder hell

[sharp epoch]

and ive played like 12+ games

[vernal trench]

As soon as i stopped playing party finder i satrted winning

I think i found the issue

[tall torrent]

pubs are not remotely rdy for new havoc

[vernal trench]

Nope

Even people in here arent

Majority of them

[sharp epoch]

I think I'm missing something in my premade teamcomp too

[vernal trench]

What is

[sharp epoch]

like they're all good, but I think either taunt or electric spam is necessary

[tall torrent]

bring 1 of each class

ogryn prob the best havoc boss dps class rn?

branx / rumbler

[sharp epoch]

Yeah but he runs the knife 😭

its braindead m1 spam that folds on actual harder targets

[tall torrent]

rumbler is not incompatible with cleaver

u don't have to run both branx and rumbler

[sharp epoch]

I was thinking of a GG build

since the ammo economy was buffed

[tall torrent]

and tbh
branx is not that hard to learn from cleaver IV

it's almost the same combos lol

did u see the branx boss clip I posted

[sharp epoch]

I saw it its just special light spam

[tall torrent]

yea u don't have to do heavy overhead

it's nice for banking dmg on hit but not required

branx is 3 hits for every melee elite

[sharp epoch]

Is it with slaughterer and headtaker or slaughterer and the special hit blessing

[tall torrent]

toll wants u to confirm kills
the stagger immunity can actually be loopholed in a way

because if u put elite enemy into stagger on the hit that brings their hp <50%

[vernal trench]

Nothing is ever necessary

[tall torrent]

they won't instantly magically recover from that stagger

[tall torrent]

headtaker + torment

I think torment is a very legit top pick for branx

[vernal trench]

U can literally run the most random and aggressive team comp and make it work

U just need every teamate to hold their own or atleast 2 or 3 of them

[tall torrent]

u can get 4~5 buffed light overheads in with torment's 3.5s duration

[sharp epoch]

Not on the new havoc it seems

[tall torrent]

quite a bit better than banking dmg with thrust in my experience

[vernal trench]

Yes on the new havoc

But less experienced players u can rely on shit like golden toughness if u really need it

[sharp epoch]

I might try that out

[sharp epoch]

Idk I haven't gotten past 32 even its hell even with a premade group

[vernal trench]

Well idk how to say this except ur premade group isnt holding their own enough

[sharp epoch]

Have you reached 40 yet?

[vernal trench]

Yea we did a couple last night

People overhype how hard it is

[sharp epoch]

this is how its been looking

[vernal trench]

Damn

Theres soemthing going weong there if ur losing

What comp do u guys have

[sharp epoch]

1 of each class

shout vet, zealot on book, ogryn bullrush, and bubble psyker

vet is plasma/ps, zealot is relic blade or ds + flamer, ogryn is knife/stubber, psyker is trauma/ds

[vernal trench]

If u guys got bubble and book and shout and losing theres something seriously wrong there

[vernal trench]

Damn

[gilded rock]

If you want even more defense, a tauntgryn could be good

Idk how that with shield fares on havoc though

[vernal trench]

I dont think defence is the rpoblem here

U just need to stop making mistakes and dying

[signal cypress]

Tauntgryn with shield can hold its own fairly well

[vernal trench]

A good one ofc

[signal cypress]

Ye

[vernal trench]

What class do u play

[sharp epoch]

Vet 😭

[tall torrent]

taunt is quite valuable for holding aggro

not sure what stubber ur team is running

[sharp epoch]

probably gorg heavy stubber

[tall torrent]

trauma doesn't scale as well into new havoc as before due to not being able to confirm kills as easily

inferno still busted so use that prob

[vernal trench]

Damn

[sharp epoch]

The psyker ain't switching 😭

[vernal trench]

Idk i cant tell u what ur team is doign wrong without seeing the gameplay

[sharp epoch]

shes very stubborn

[vernal trench]

Dont switch

Just get better

U can literally run 4 ogryns or 4 vets or the most random comp and win

Class isnt the issue here

U guys need to work on teamwork most likely

With book and shout u will be dripped in golden toughness whole game through theres no way to die

[sharp epoch]

I think they fold more when like 3 bosses pop out

thats a round ender

[vernal trench]

Well ghats why

Its like watching mister e losing with 2 books or 2 shouts and a book

And a bubble

Actually insane and mind boggling

[tall torrent]

tell them to practice fighting bosses solo

with creature spawner

[unreal nova]

Or panic to heck and somehow is alive for the entire time at 2 HP.

[pseudo fiber]

Does new catch a breath allow you to sit in a tox bombers gas cloud?

[sharp epoch]

i can test

[stuck gorge]

Yea, you might take like one tick of pox every few seconds though

[sharp epoch]

yup still works

[pseudo fiber]

nice

no ticks of corruption?

[sharp epoch]

it outdamages it at damnation at least

so yes corruption

[pseudo fiber]

:(

[fair river]

Would yall buy?

[arctic rampart]

Yes, if you will use it I will buy it for you

[unreal nova]

Me? No.

[arctic rampart]

But you have to use it for 100 hours

• monkey's paw curls

[pseudo fiber]

Switched to PS on this build for Havoc am I missing any nodes for breakpoints?

[mighty anvil]

im down to run havoc

[frank basin]

Sleepvoc

[last marten]

the power sword doesnt turn off anymore from basic hits?

[unreal nova]

It might if you get hit when attacking with it on. Heard it does that.

[tough tiger]

Shout revive?

Really?

[pseudo fiber]

No?

[edgy condor]

Just played a game in the new wave mode with a veteran running the boltgun, and have they buffed it or something? Died a few times and got to spectate the guy and he was hosing everything and hardly ever reloading. I remember the boltgun being widly ammo innefficient so it took me by surprise

[pseudo fiber]

there's an upgrade that gives you infinite ammo while using exe stance

probably that

[sleek garden]

ive been having good fun with the antaxe combat axe

i gotta say it's a very satisfying weapon

[edgy condor]

I'm not seeing it, probably blind lol. Do you happen to know the name of the infinite ammo upgrade for exe stance?

[pseudo fiber]

it's only in the new mode

[edgy condor]

ohhh that explains it. So that's why this guy went hog wild with a boltgun and made it look godly when I've never seen it do anything like that before

[pseudo fiber]

yeah new mode has really silly broken upgrades

[hollow ibex]

that'd be insanely broken in the normal modes lol

[edgy condor]

sad, got me excited to try and build it but oh well

[pseudo fiber]

but bolter is still really solid in the main mode

[hollow ibex]

by solid, it's one of the best vet guns lol

[edgy condor]

its not bad, i just hate feeling like I constantly have to conserve ammo. You can never really let loose and just mow down a horde of chaff, even though it feels sick to do so

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's more like a DMR

that can spray in really bad situations

[radiant chasm]

Yep

[trim steppe]

You basically never want to use ranged to mow down chaff. You can go staff psyker for that if you want

[green willow]

shock maul blessings?

[pseudo fiber]

high voltage skull crusher

Lightning reflexes sounds cool
It isn't

[radiant chasm]

It was cool

[pseudo fiber]

I miss it

[radiant chasm]

Till fatshark stealth nerfed it to a 3 second cd

Me too

[green willow]

what about hammerblow

[radiant chasm]

Why

[pseudo fiber]

I'd consider Falter before that if anything

[radiant chasm]

That too

[green willow]

impact?

[radiant chasm]

Impact is just stagger and smaul has a dedicated stun taser

[mighty anvil]

whats trhe best chainsword for horde

[radiant chasm]

It does nothing to boost damage directly

[green willow]

true

[radiant chasm]

Both of them

Plus dead ass, smaul doesn’t have the cleave and radius to mass stagger anyways so the value you’ll get is low

[pseudo fiber]

personaly I think the 12g has a little better horde clear

[mighty anvil]

smaul?

[pseudo fiber]

shockmaul

smaul

[mellow cobalt]

just got queued up with 3 sparkies

felt good to not have to share ammo

[radiant chasm]

Shock maul

[hollow ibex]

you're lucky they weren't all gunkers

[mellow cobalt]

if they were all gunkers I'd buy a lottery ticket actually.

[mossy dust]

For the chain axe. does the special attack apply the brittle stack from thunderous multiple times? or does it only apply one time for the swing/cut?

[mellow cobalt]

i've never played w a gunker before

[hollow ibex]

they're even more common now because of all the stupid fucking buffs fatshart decided to slap onto them

[hollow ibex]

it maxes at 40%, but idr if you have to stick through the entire animation

[mossy dust]

So the one swing does apply multiple hits then?

[hollow ibex]

it's only on the special activation, so you can only apply the debuff on one target

at at ime

[faint beacon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e8d8c26-9461-4735-96eb-d01c4d7a27e2/gales-smoking-the-crack-pipe-again
@narrow frost I think I've cooked up another evil fucked up Vigil Build

cause I managed to top score with a newgryn in my server

[narrow frost]

oh naur

[faint beacon]

Just another glimpse into my twisted reality

my evil fucked up vision

[faint beacon]

For all I care you could probably use taxe with it seeing it has RS in the build

But I can confirm from playing

but I think its unfortunately multiplicatively

these synergize to comedic effect

[pseudo fiber]

Happy you like the picture I made hahahah

[faint beacon]

The Rinda truth nuke I saw floating in here and immediately stole it

cause I've been saying "truth nuke" for the past 2 weeks LMAO

[pseudo fiber]

It's Rodin because of the Havoc bug

[faint beacon]

LMAO

What the fuck is the bug

[pseudo fiber]

Where the Bomber Lieutenant's Rodin bombs might just instantly max your corruption

[faint beacon]

Grandfather's Truth Nuke

[pseudo fiber]

Exactly

[faint beacon]

I kid you not I made this in a weak mindset (a few hours ago) of realizing how Veteran gets stomped by newgryn now

and just went

fuck it lets see how stupid this does

[pseudo fiber]

I've been using the helbore a lot lately and it just feels like I wish there was a middle ground for it that existed.

I use the fast firing one killing elites feels bad. I use the slow firing one killing shooters feels bad (and it's shitty bayonet too) I thought the one inbetween would fix that but no idk helbore is a weird gun

[faint beacon]

Vigil is that middleground

you just REFUSE TO USE IT

[pseudo fiber]

I like Vigil I just wanted to use my new helbore skin

The charge it just

Fucks with me a little

Maybe if Helbore passively charged and you could shoot it? Idk I hate holding it

TLDR hold and release on gun feels weird I'n not using a bow

[faint beacon]

That's just Helby's

besides the middleground for an actual Las weapon is the ILAGs

and we all know how everyone feels about those

(White bread gun)

[umbral parrot]

FINALLY

BEAT HAVOC 40 BEFORE the week ended.

[pseudo fiber]

Congrats

[umbral parrot]

36 bujt no way am i going to climb.

My poor writst!

[pseudo fiber]

What build

[umbral parrot]

Let me get it

[hollow ibex]

but helbore doesn't have dogshit maniac adms

[calm shard]

half a mag to kill a rager

[umbral parrot]

All my 3 Curios are the same.

[faint beacon]

I dont see the issue of "Half a mag" when I literally click on a head and drop it within 1 if it crits or 2 bursts

[umbral parrot]

But honestly... HAVOC 39 was harder than HAVOC 40.

And a 1 hour match on HAVOC 38 lol

[faint beacon]

The fact you're dropping Precision strikes is fucking insane

free 30% damage on your weapons permanently

[iron marten]

Determined on plasma?

[umbral parrot]

WHOOPS

[pseudo fiber]

Lol

[umbral parrot]

Misclicked lol

[pseudo fiber]

Oh good

[iron marten]

Lmao

[umbral parrot]

I exited my game already. Using lantern.

No way can i EVER not bring Percision Strikes.

Love HAVOC

It's.... as hard as it is, it's the only mode where it really requires team effort.

Even in Auric, i can just run ahead and leave my team8s and just win it. BUT GOSH, this is badass

[pseudo fiber]

Remove Deranking and havoc is legit perfect

[umbral parrot]

Yea, just keep the difficulty.

I like this constant stress, this "OH my gosh, crushers and bulwarks. HOpe no one dies", 5 bosses at once! x3

[gilded wraith]

Gravitational Grenade wasn't as good as I'd hoped.

[umbral parrot]

The ammount of nades you generate in HAVOC by the way!

Much faster than sometimes lol

[pseudo fiber]

I love lethal bolt pistol in havoc for that reason

[umbral parrot]

FYI, i play smokes

I don't like using Shredders or Krak. But... this was getting WAY too hard.

But... now that i appreciate Shredder nades a bit more.... i may consider the bolt pistol lol

[hollow ibex]

oh great

error code 2014

and stuttering

this game really just gets better with every update

[scarlet crescent]

nothing from fatshark regarding the deranking right

[umbral parrot]

Deranking?

[scarlet crescent]

ppl complain

[vernal trench]

U would think that but turns out not really

[umbral parrot]

True, but i guess i'm not at that level yet.

Regardless, 40 is mine! And that was rough AF~

[umbral parrot]

Managed to Duo your way through!?

[vernal trench]

No one to do it with yet

I think ill try it on na but thats 150 ping

Its gonan be rough

[umbral parrot]

Very rough!

[vernal trench]

Ye

[tall torrent]

Determined doesn’t matter for plasma

[vernal trench]

Even on low ping it will be

[umbral parrot]

I missclicked you fool! I'm not that dumb! lol

[vernal trench]

ill get true solo mod and see how far i get before i die

[tall torrent]

I sometimes question that

[umbral parrot]

Good point~

Still, this is the correct version.

I would play Darktide right now but man. Burned myself out for tonight. I still hear Poxwalkers and Techno-40k music in my ears!

[vernal trench]

Lmfao u played way too much

[umbral parrot]

2 PM to 9 PM. That's what?

6 hours of just pushing into HAVOC 40. Yea, it would stick!

[vernal trench]

Goddamn

[vernal trench]

Where did u start

[umbral parrot]

Started in 38. Lol, a bit of up and downs.

Yea, it may just be 2 levels to get through. But 39 was soooooooo much harder than 40 and by a long shot.

Was playing Ogryn but it was not doing it for me. I needed to play Vet to finally get it done.

Going to redo my Ogryn later

[vernal trench]

Theres like practically no difference between 38 and 40

I thinku just got unlucky spawns

[umbral parrot]

I assumed so considering that 38 and 40 were easy and all of our 39s were stupidly hard

[vernal trench]

Sometimes game director jsut spawns some unfair shit on u

[umbral parrot]

Dark Communion with Rituals and Toll. It does not sound too crazy but it is lol.

[vernal trench]

We had 2 demonhosts unleashed cuz of bugs in a dark communion run

[umbral parrot]

That's our 39. The fact that it kept giving us that is really sus

Yea, Dark Communion's spawns are trash~

[vernal trench]

Yea theres 2 spots where if u get it the demonhost will trigger before u get to it

Well 1 spot

The other outside the ambush can spawn if ur not quick enough

[umbral parrot]

The corner camping spot? Lol

[vernal trench]

Thats the one u can still kill

There is one before basement dropdown

It goes up at max speed as soon as it triggers

[umbral parrot]

We eventually got lucky on it tho.

I can't wait for tomorrow. Just want to take my 40 and relax lol

[vernal trench]

Hell yea

Going in

[grand perch]

anything with pox gas

[mighty willow]

Special order of a Plague Ogryn and four Big Boys with hammers near a Daemonhost... Recipient name: "Fuck You"

[vernal trench]

[mighty willow]

Got that on a Auric game, i left a goofy aah "Gulp" when i saw the Daemonhost hp bar show up right after we killed the Ogryn amidst a horde

I just kept running in circles hoping my team helped me get rid of some of the enemies chasing me

[loud estuary]

whats the best recon lasgun mark?

[hybrid plover]

generally, the one that does the shooty thing fast

[tame lodge]

With Onslaught XII

Without Onslaught then the VIC or XIV

[loud estuary]

whats onslaught again

[tame lodge]

(You can always bring XII though)

[loud estuary]

and what perks should i run

[tame lodge]

Attacks apply brittleness up to 40%

XII goes brrrr and stacks pretty fast

[loud estuary]

i see, i do run that

well almost

not enough level yet

but thanks

[tame lodge]

Flak + Maniacs/5% CRIT chance

[loud estuary]

i see

[late moon]

did they buff the helbore lazguns?

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

Not quite

Unless you consider WS Helby a build

[grand perch]

? why would WS helbore be buffed

WS helbore is a cursed combo still

[hybrid plover]

don't knock the WS helbore

or do since the bayonet's slow as hell now

[mossy monolith]

so i want to finish adept assassin, whats a good range weapon to use?

rn im using bolt pistol

[solar monolith]

is that the one for weapon specialist crit headshots?

unironically the double barrel shotgun

you can get like 15+ in one shot if lined up right

[mossy monolith]

[mossy monolith]

yep

[normal bay]

Better with revolver imo, the bolt weapons have some wonky sights

[dry cloak]

get revolver

[solar monolith]

imagine aiming smh smh

just blast in their general direction and the spread will take care of it

[mossy monolith]

which mark revo

[frank ledge]

Boss look!

https://youtu.be/s_31U0kbz2E

[grand perch]

Bayonet never triggered ws

Only agile engagement

[mossy monolith]

whats should be the lowest stats on Duelling Sword

i seeing on both the onedrive is def/cleave while other is mobile

[unreal nova]

Either is fine.

Mobility is a safe bet as always, you still get max dodges on 60. Cleave damage is like ~5 damage diff to enemies that aren't main target.

Though if you only use DS4, it barely happens.

[mossy monolith]

ds4?

i might go for def/cleave

[unreal nova]

Dueling Sword mk 4.

The meta mark.

Unless you are thrusting into multiple heds.

Either way, the diff is too small to matter.

At least for this.

[mossy monolith]

[frank ledge]

Guys I found an exploit

If you equip shock maul 90% of your requests will be denied

[mossy monolith]

[sly spear]

hi

Anyone by chance knows any builds for the shredder autopostil?

[odd sparrow]

depends on what you want. If you just want raw dmg and hold down left click

+flak dmg
+maniac dmg

pinning fire
Continuous fire

if you want to use it as a toughness generator replace the blessings with

Inspiring barrage
continous fire

also keep in mind you can sprint and shoot with the autopistol

[frank basin]

Now that’s heavy bolter.

[junior grail]

Heavy Revolver when?

[frank basin]

Bolt revolver

4-3 round shot

[lusty ether]

ogryn revolver

kinda unironically, I wouldn't mind a smaller, semi-auto, but still quite high calibre auto pistol

stub equivalent of a glock

[junior grail]

Light laspistol

But two of them

Return of Saltzpyre

[uncut pebble]

The 1911 exists in warhammer.

[lusty ether]

brace of laspistols

[uncut pebble]

This is not a joke.

[lusty ether]

warhammer is like 40% rule of cool

[junior grail]

Stubguns

[lusty ether]

40% operatic melodrama

and 20% random nonsense

of course it has a 1911

how dare you insinuate that it wouldn't

[junior grail]

With a taste of stole-... references all over

[lusty ether]

That's kinda nestled into the rule of cool

it's just rule of cool applied to 1980s era pop culture nerd jokes and references

James Workshop is a spicy character, after all

he does what he likes and doesn't afraid of anything

how about a scoped space deagle?!

space deeeaaaagle

[junior grail]

I wish I can doesn't afraid too

[lusty ether]

Doesn't afraiding of things is easier when you're fictional.

[junior grail]

Except Cain

Internal panic intensifies

[lusty ether]

Cain is the ultimate brave person.

Because of how much of a selfish coward he is.

That's true bravery.

[junior grail]

Space Marine: I know no fear
Ciaphas Cain: I know all of them

[lusty ether]

Can't be brave if you doesn't afraid of things.

True facts.

Titus? Not even slightly brave.

As brave as a heavily armed and armoured fridge.

[junior grail]

Titus is a sociopath with a moral conscience

[lusty ether]

He's an ultramarine, yes.

[junior grail]

What about the Boltgun guy

[lusty ether]

Does John Boltgun have a name?

[junior grail]

Yep

Malum Caedo

Firstborn too

[lusty ether]

That is such a 'Star Wars randomised collection of sounds'-ass name.

Borfglum Spardlebrake

[junior grail]

Needs more -iums

Borfglumus Spardulus Brakius

[radiant chasm]

Ogryn thugshot

Single shot bullet launcher in the same style as kickback and rumbler (real datamined weapon)

[mighty willow]

Come to think of it, a Heavy Bolter would be a cool addition to the Ogryn, and i think he is the only one who could realistically hold the recoil of one

Or maybe add a comically large Pistol for him, but idk if there are any Ogryn sized Sidearms in lore

[junior grail]

For some reason I'm not keen on the Heavy Bolter being in Darktude unless a fixed environmental emplacement like the minigun on the final No Mercy L4D rooftop

[slow spade]

Heavy bolter for enemies UwU

[sleek garden]

I'm messing around with the achlys combat axe

trying to figure out which blessings to use

im stuck between shred and decimator

[hollow ibex]

why not HT like a normal person

[sleek garden]

because i am using headtaker already

im talking about my other blessing slot

[tame lodge]

With the achlys?

You got no cleave on those lights

You'll suffer 😭

[sleek garden]

i know

im up for a challenge today

i am goofing off in the psykhanium right now

one thing i tried was thrust and limbsplitter to hopefully do over half a mauler's health in one hit

with a crit it does over 2.5k damage

ootherwise 1242

i was going to try bringing a high capacity recon with infinite ammo

so i can reserve melee for elites/specialists in my way

[lusty ether]

what's actually the difference between that and the rashad?

they like...have identical movesets and nearly identical damage?

[sleek garden]

the achlys has a higher modifier for carapace and unyielding i believe? on heavies

because you use the spike

[lusty ether]

le spike

[sleek garden]

the bigass spike on the back of the achlys

the antaxe seems to have the best unyielding damage

i just converted my silly antaxe axe to rashad for this so it doesnt look good at all keep that in mind

actually even with full all or nothing stacks it still takes 5 rashad headshots

[hollow ibex]

oh i assumed youw were using brumentum...

[sleek garden]

on the achlys?

might be for the best

[tame lodge]

Yeah you got NO cleave on the lights

And I mean NO cleave

[sleek garden]

i am well aware

[raw needle]

tf you runnin on it

shred??????

[sleek garden]

yes because i was yesterday messing around with shred/all or nothing on an antaxe combat axe

[raw needle]

what no updates does to a mf

[sleek garden]

to spam push and lights at a crowd

im just messing around with new combos

also i usually take frags and laser weapons so hopefully i wont have to focus too much on melee crowd control

crits seem to be the way to go for achlys

[sleek garden]

my fps has dropped a lot after this update

[formal ice]

Skill issue-

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-goldbergs-nintendo-blow-gif-13223329

This should solve your problems

[formal ice]

Turns out its pushing the dust even more inside

[sleek garden]

i used to have good fps mid horde but now it drops to 20

[tame lodge]

[sleek garden]

achlys axe worked

in auric maelstrom

because i used the recon lasgun for everything

the axes are pretty satisfying to chop into armor with

[tame lodge]

looks inside
Barely used axe

So essentially you were looking for a different answer against armor

Something not meta

[sharp epoch]

anything would work atp

[sleek garden]

yeah?

i just wanted a fun backup weapon

i would not have used it with an infantry lasgun

or maybe i should have

would be interesting

also i was not using any redning/brittleness talents, recon was useless against carapace

[arctic rampart]

check for DLSS frame gen turned off? this happened to me this (major) patch, maybe nvidia app or darktide itself reset it

[faint beacon]

Not even a real achlys user

Real users have a max of 30% stamina at all times

[drifting verge]

I’m redoing my veteran build

Does this perk mean when you dodge a attack or just haven’t been hit by melee for 8 seconds

[tame lodge]

When you haven't been hit iirc

[slow spade]

you haven't been hit/BLOCKED an attack

[drifting verge]

Ah alright

Usually perks like that are worded differently

[slow spade]

don't worry Fatshark is very well known for their clear, consistent, and accurate tooltips UwU

[faint beacon]

If you have dodging down very well

Both Catch a Breath and Killzone are pretty decent picks if you’re pathing through Shred and Surv

[drifting verge]

I did this

I don’t play too high levels on veteran because I forgo being better at the game for feeling like some normal fuck ass guardsman with a shovel and infantry las

I save all that meta damage for Ogryn

[stark cove]

What’s the best way to go about building the heavy sword?

I’m currently running the mk IX with deathblow, thrust, 10% melee weakspot damage and 10% critical damage

[tame lodge]

Deathblow Headtaker

Flak Maniacs

[stark cove]

Bet, thank ye

[tame lodge]

Those perks you chose aren't that good because of Fatshark math

[dry cloak]

i will still insist tha mk9 hsword is trash

[tame lodge]

[dry cloak]

even though its good

[drifting verge]

Also what perks should I put on shovel? VII

[dry cloak]

carapce unyielding iirc

[drifting verge]

And flak maniac?

[faint beacon]

If you’re looking for a more high level pathing just path through Out 4 Blood

[umbral scaffold]

Not seeing much focus target vets is there a reason? Because I want to play this style again

[dry cloak]

i checked the guide and its carapce flak

[stark cove]

What about bladed momentum, is that any good? That being said this is a for fun build but one that can actually survive a match

[drifting verge]

There’s a guide?

[dry cloak]

yes

pins

[dry cloak]

experiment

if youre good enough youre preveil

[faint beacon]

Steam guide eventually

[sharp epoch]

It's just not that good

[haughty marlin]

Works pretty well on plasma vet for boss delete

[tame lodge]

Not quite good
Hsword damage is pretty high against everything else
The only time Bladed Momentum would help is against Carapace, except you can't normally cleave carapace, so you can't normally proc it

[arctic rampart]

usally people suck at tagging or want to take weapon spec

[haughty marlin]

If you have monstrosity damage and maelstrom/havoc weakened boss specialists

[faint beacon]

WS keystone is generally a better choice all round

[stark cove]

Thank you

[dry cloak]

or mmf for certain weapons

[sharp epoch]

WS is good but loses a lot of value on high firerate/mag size weapons

Like you get one free crit thats it

[dry cloak]

yeah weapon spec prefers hard hitting weapons

[faint beacon]

MMF is “better” for your finesse weapons

But it’s not really great

FT is the best neutral choice

[stark cove]

Actually I might go 25% dam boost to carapace armour instead of 10% crit dam

[dry cloak]

it ceratinlky helps me with mk3 vifil

[drifting verge]

Well that burned out my retinas

[faint beacon]

But WS is generally picked more cause of its big QOL options

[drifting verge]

Light mode

[stark cove]

Make the Hsword into a mauler mauler

[sharp epoch]

10% crit damage never take that node

[tame lodge]

But in theory
You could go with a meme build like Perfect Strike Bladed Momentum
Then if you crit you'd be able to cleave through carapace therefore proccing it
You'll just lose on Headtaker and Deathblow

[dry cloak]

why woulkd you even run crit damage

[stark cove]

Never tried it

[faint beacon]

They need to change bladed

It’s so dookie

[slow spade]

also I love the reload talent c:

its only 3.3% but I'll take it

[dry cloak]

guys i think that deathblow and bromentum are blessings so powerful that they are mandatory

and this should not be the thing

[tame lodge]

Naaaaah you tripping

[slow spade]

brutal momentum needs a buff?

[dry cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/serious-sam-triggered-screaming-scream-aahh-gif-17783201

[faint beacon]

Trench Fighter Drill, Desperado, and Recip

Holy trinity why I path down WS

[dry cloak]

needs a nerf if anything imo

[tall torrent]

Deathblow
Headtaker

The other blessings are not as good

[stark cove]

Not even thrust?

[faint beacon]

Ignoring hitmass is so

Beyond busted

[stark cove]

True

[faint beacon]

That anything that does it should seriously be reworked

[dry cloak]

flamethrower

[slow spade]

na Brutal Momentum should give "ignore hit mass"

you can thank me later

cleave through 10 crushers? balanced

[stark cove]

As balanced as a drunk uncle on thanksgiving

[slow spade]

one day I can justify Thrust :c

[slow spade]

I miss release power sword

[tame lodge]

Clad and their thrust Hsword propaganda

[barren nimbus]

Does anyone know why I cant use my grenades or stims

[faint beacon]

Abysmal Dogshit propaganda

When DB literally lets you just 1 tap a lot of maniac types

Without needing to charge for Thrust LMAO

[tall torrent]

Thrust is pretty overrated in general
It’s just “alright” most of the time

[dry cloak]

hsword has really good maniac mod

2 heavies and ragers are kaput

[faint beacon]

It’s probably cause big damage number

[sleek garden]

i'll take a look

[umbral scaffold]

I'm much team player using VoC I practically target every priority threat and I want to dive more deep in this style so beside plasma what are weapon recommendations for FT

[sharp epoch]

Bolter, Revolver, uhh DB kinda

[lusty ether]

vigilant auto-fun

:D

[dry cloak]

Yes vigil auto is fun

Mk3 with 60 stopping power is very fun

[umbral scaffold]

And is it worth to get AM for reveving and/or LNOB passive? I've did try to use AM but if the players are good then you don't need it if they suck then reveving them all the time also doesn't help. It seems ok for few situations but I'm not sure it's worth.

So maybe someone here have a longer experience with this.

[faint beacon]

Stopping power dump stat on Vigil is- an interesting take

[hybrid plover]

ya it does.

If you're actually switching the weapon, which checks out because it relies on getting kills while you have either your ranged or melee weapon out. It's actually one of the only ways you can pull off playing a Vet that barely uses their gun to actually shoot. It doesn't work if you're trying to get the bonus for both the melee attack and ranged attack on the helbore.

It's not the most effective. But it is fun.

[grand perch]

i have no idea what youre trying to say here

[dry cloak]

I have it because i hate the stagger

It just works better for me this way

[faint beacon]

I’d rather have that extra damage against armor

[hybrid plover]

If you get a kill with the bayonet, it triggers melee specialist because it's a kill that counts while having your ranged weapon out.

[grand perch]

no, it doesnt

[faint beacon]

I’ve gotten used to predicting the stagger Patterns anyways

[grand perch]

you get a ranged kill stack

not melee

[dry cloak]

It still works exceptionally good in my hands.

So idc i kill the guys i need to kill

[hybrid plover]

lemme show you something rq

check the buff widgets and you'll see what i mean

It's the same reason you can throw shredders at a horde, constantly switch your weapon to fully reload it. It doesn't matter what actually kills the enemies. It's what weapon you have out that maatters.

Because the bayonet kills are considered kills while having your ranged weapon out, it triggers melee specialist.

Also it's fucking painful how slow the bayonet is now.

This is actually depressing.

[tall torrent]

you 2 were misunderstanding each other

ranged kill stack = melee specialist stack

but helbore itself cannot use the melee specialist buff (which is not the same thing as melee specialist stack)

[hybrid plover]

That's what I was saying.

You can't use the bonus on the helbore itself.

But actually switching the weapon, you can.

[tall torrent]

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[hybrid plover]

Real talk though can they just undo this nerf?

[tall torrent]

what nerf

[hybrid plover]

THE BAYONET

[tall torrent]

why

[hybrid plover]

I dunno. Helbore has never been a top pick to begin with. It just... seems odd that they targetted it.

[faint beacon]

kid named Trench Fighter Drill buffing it

[hybrid plover]

I get that the bayonet was hella strong.

[tall torrent]

not enough to be equal to pre-nerf

[hybrid plover]

But, what it was attached to... ehhhh...

[hybrid plover]

It was so fun taking that setup into scab melees.