veteran-class

[gilded wraith]

Hope we have some good vet voices on the test server.

[marsh shard]

I'd argue Psyker has the best toughness gen in the game

[tall torrent]

When you’re not getting hit in melee, yes

[marsh shard]

Combine that with 10-33% DR based on peril and another potential 20% from SG's node

Prob the best cc in the game too

[tall torrent]

Veteran power sword VI 80% mobility
2.5 x0.88 = 2.2m dodge distance

Psyker duelling sword IV 80% mobility
2 x1.08 = 2.16m dodge distance

[marsh shard]

Like, even if we discredit Psyker's dr.. it does have insane defensive tools and great mobility.

Can spam slides while maintaining max stam, crit = dodge, etc...

Not to mention infinite resources + infinite cleave

On staffs that provide hard cc

And all 3 of psykers abilities are nuts

Either a dome of "lol @ projectiles" + insane toughness gen... massive aoe knockback + damage that quells enough peril to give you a massive burst of toughness with quietude... or SG which gives absurd damage + crit + mobility which in turn makes it easier to maintain your crit = dodge node

Psyker has highly underrated defense

[jaunty rune]

unflinching in mortis lets psword keep its charge through getting hit, now the other 3 think im bad since I keep letting myself get hit to test it .-.

[faint beacon]

That’s just a base change now

They fixed it this update

[jaunty rune]

i know but it apparently isnt working properly

[jaunty rune]

the fix that is

still getting hit out of charge state after the fix .-.

[gilded wraith]

Does Rending have diminishing returns?

[marsh shard]

If Vet had access to Zealot's Crusher I'd likely main Vet

[tall torrent]

Above 100% total ADM, yes

[marsh shard]

I know I hype up dclaw a lot, esp post buff, but thats specifically on psyker.

My favorite melee weapon in a vacuum is the Crusher, and its not even close. Its rough because outside of that I'm not a fan of Zealot's kit

Its the opposite for Vet, huge fan of Vet's kit but dislike legit all their melee options

[ornate ivy]

Games lantern is a pretty good source. but nothing beats good ol' fashoned trial and error. Use everything and see what fits

[narrow frost]

Use the guide in pinned message

It breaks down game mechanics

[grand perch]

gameslantern is a terrible source

highest rating vet build is trash

most builds have no clue what theyre doing

[ornate ivy]

You could also use youtube or MK1 eyeballs to read what everything does

[grand perch]

PATHS ENTRY LVL BUILD

which he refuses to pin

[marsh shard]

Because it doesnt use scavenger

Dafuq

And lol @ kraks

I wouldn't touch that with 20ft pole

[narrow frost]

Scavenger is overrated

Vet aura is just pathing

Pun intended

[grand perch]

and really really really not necessary for entry level damnation or aurics

[marsh shard]

Agree, but still

Frags >>>>>>>>

[grand perch]

kraks make it easy to go for agile engagement

[narrow frost]

Kraks kill the worst enemy in the game

Fuck bulwarks

[marsh shard]

It kills 2 bulwarks, cool

Just use frags

[narrow frost]

Entry level build

Doesn't need to build for your likes

[marsh shard]

Frags clap dafuq out of kraks.

If you wanted to compromise... atleast list Krak and Frags as optional

[iron marten]

Le standard vet build

[vernal trench]

Dude the bulwark blockades are so much fun

Like 30 of them just rush in its such chaotic fun

[errant dragon]

So the changes to talents that now say avoid melee attacks for 8s, does dodging and blocking attacks count as avoiding melee attacks?

[iron marten]

Dodging yeah, blocking no

[errant dragon]

Nice, free 15% damage boost from Kill Zone

[tropic notch]

Anyone else play darktide all day and just deteriorate in skill?

I was at my peak then all of a sudden I can dodge anything to save my life

And then I played play purg psyker

Then I saw my name in the kill feed like 100 times and I felt better

[vernal trench]

The longer u play the worse u play

[tropic notch]

This proves that after spending all your concentration and becoming a lobotomite purg staff will still somehow top everything

[tropic notch]

At least for me I played like 50 games today

[frank ether]

you say this and then ask why you deteriorate lol

[tropic notch]

[tropic notch]

[vernal trench]

I mean after a couple hours

Or even couple games

[tropic notch]

This was after I was lobotommized

[vernal trench]

U tend to burn out

[frank ether]

Tbh darktide is too casual a game most of the times

if u want my genuine dogshit opinion

most enemies have incredibly generous reaction time windows to accomodate for server lag and whatnot, Idk

[tropic notch]

Yarp

[solar monolith]

Every time i think it's a very good "brain off, smash shit" game i get reminded how shit the average person is in terms of spatial awareness

It's like people play without audio sometimes

[tropic notch]

I spent all my concentration doing a solo basically in the Malestrom

And like 3 other missions

One was solo the others were duo

[frank ether]

Eh ig if you're sleep deprived or maybe have adhd that can also affect reactions

food for thought

[tropic notch]

I woke up at like 8 am

And is 3 am

[frank ether]

I haven't had any sleep

its fine

coffee will keep me awake

[vernal trench]

Yea

[tropic notch]

Eat sleep darktide repeat

[vernal trench]

But its the sheer amount of them that gets people

[frank ether]

Yea except they kinda don't feel that many anymore

[tropic notch]

another thing I noticed is getting put into pubs and me just having to clutch

[frank ether]

with a lot of weapons/playstyles either being cleave across the screen or stun across the screen

[tropic notch]

[wheat stratus]

not just server lag, tried to get back into vermintide after years and found out just how easy the horde here is

[tropic notch]

All of those stress form clutches build up

[wheat stratus]

rats used to just poke super faster without warning

[frank ether]

vermintide is just a harder game for a variety of reasons but honestly both games have pretty terrible balance lol, if u want broken builds you can do it in vt2 aswell

[tropic notch]

I can solo a dh and every boss in the game but watch me stand still as the mauler gives me a fade

I need that I have a headache pic

[solar monolith]

The stealth crusher winding up an overhead behind you through a bulwark

[frank ether]

still I'll say vt2 has a lot less mobility creep and temp health instead of toughness is huge difference in safety aswell

[tropic notch]

God v2 can be abysmal in cata

[frank ether]

I love bulwarks, I love shield enemies...

[tropic notch]

I’ve never malded so hard

Pretty sure a regular rat can just 2 tap you in cata

[vernal trench]

Theyre tanky enough in havocs they will swarm u even if u have an optimal setup

[tropic notch]

Bulwarks are easy for psyker and orgyn

[frank ether]

Unfortunately havoc isn't a mode I can consistently play at the highest difficulty as my friends refuse to engage in fomo and I'm not in the mood to sweat so I can carry 3 randoms every day

[tropic notch]

Zealot and vet tend to struggle if not built correctly

[solar monolith]

Shout/nades open up bulwarks fine usually

[vernal trench]

Thats prolly why the game is casual

[solar monolith]

usually

[frank ether]

I'll consider havoc a real game mode when they let me play any diff at will

[tropic notch]

that my issue!

[vernal trench]

But tbf havocs are pretty casual

[solar monolith]

Just play havoc 1s like i do nowadays

[vernal trench]

My brain will wxplode

[solar monolith]

It's just malice with more density

[vernal trench]

Climb to 40

[tropic notch]

I always sweat my ass off carrying lvl 40s or 19s through 3 veg or a auric damm

[frank ether]

I already did that

decayed back down

[vernal trench]

The new ones

old ones are a lot easier for sure

[solar monolith]

Why the fuck would a lv19 go to damnation

[tropic notch]

The new modifiers are cool

[vernal trench]

Old h40 is like h30 now but still easier

[frank ether]

fuck my chongus life I hate rank systems

[wheat stratus]

there's going to be hard time carrying anybody in this new havoc

[tropic notch]

What is the pfp twin

[vernal trench]

Yea the losing tries for everyone sucks ass so hard

[tropic notch]

I just noticed

[vernal trench]

Yea its a struggle even with 2 good players

Chances are u willl still lose

2 dead weights will still make u lose

[wheat stratus]

even 1 dead weight tbh

and it shows, fast

[tropic notch]

You can have one dead weight in havoc

[vernal trench]

Its managable

[tropic notch]

Oh yeah

[vernal trench]

But 2 u it really starts fucking u up

[tropic notch]

I had a surge smite only psyker one time

[mighty anvil]

whats a god roll power sword mk iv look like?

[frank ether]

don't even ask, GF forced me to change it

[solar monolith]

In havoc?

[tropic notch]

The staff had run and gun and focused channeling

[solar monolith]

You'd think they get filtered pretty quickly lmao

[tropic notch]

[tropic notch]

Brutal momentum and power cycler with a cleave targets dump stat

[frank ether]

[tropic notch]

Unyielding and uhhh flak

[frank ether]

I carried one in like, rank 35-40 range

[tropic notch]

Yeah in havoc we carried him

[solar monolith]

Jesus

[frank ether]

we eventually lost a game and the dude was very quick to blame me for it

because I ''didn't bring book''

[tropic notch]

I made him switch to trauma

[solar monolith]

Lmfao

[vernal trench]

Lmfao

[tropic notch]

And there was a crusher about to overhead my teammate and I told him to use his staff and stay with the group

And I got called toxic

[solar monolith]

[vernal trench]

The best way to play is literally rush ahead and all 4 people splitting off

[tropic notch]

Please use your staff that cc’s everything and help us , STOP BEING TOXIC

[frank ether]

ig it will always be the best way

if you can go fast enough

[vernal trench]

While being coordinated

[frank ether]

a lot of maps just break with enemy spawns

[vernal trench]

Na

Not speedrunning

[frank ether]

its not even like a skill expression thing game just can not keep up if you go fast

[vernal trench]

Just playing aggressive and still killing everytjing

Speedrunning is lame

[frank ether]

yea

glad we agree

[vernal trench]

Literally just dive and kill everything and push

Most fun playstyle

[frank ether]

Idk playing at a normal pace is fine

[solar monolith]

That is normal pace

[frank ether]

retreating to abuse good map spots to pile enemies also fine

some mfs be like

sit in bubble the whole game

like, literally move bubble cd to bubble cd

I kid you not

[solar monolith]

Until you get the new bulwark ambush from behind

[grand perch]

If it works it works

[solar monolith]

That sounds fuckin boring

Works, sure, but boring

[frank ether]

what usually happens is you die to running out of ammo or hp or whatever

the one guy trying to salvage it dies and then the smyker goes kaput

had this exact scenario in like at least 10 games

[tropic notch]

I only speedrun low havocs

For the penance

I’m glad I’m not the only one who suffers concentration burnout

I need to not clutch everytime I join an Xbox lfg

Friggin had back to back games with them and all clutches

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1165799772700033085/1244165742094581812/watermelon2.gif

I drink my juice and sleep

[solar monolith]

Just queue into crossplay lobbies

[tropic notch]

I played 7 games with them

All of them I had to carry and sweat

[solar monolith]

RIP

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-2375696290766999196

It was fun they gave me all types of compliments so I kept clutching for them

[tropic notch]

Is that a thing

I play on pc but I do play through gamepass

[solar monolith]

Yeah but like only through qp i think

[tropic notch]

Yeah that’s just Qp

[solar monolith]

Oh idk if gamepass has their own matchmaking system
Probably not tho

[tropic notch]

Narp it’s all the same

It’s just a mixed bag of who you match with

[solar monolith]

Fair

[tropic notch]

It’s cross platform why would they have there own matchmaking system you silly billy

Gonna turn you into juice

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1165799772700033085/1244165742094581812/watermelon2.gif

[solar monolith]

I may be stupid okay

[tropic notch]

And slurp you

[frank ether]

you can't break the spawns if they're not there in the first place

[warm harbor]

Really wish Fatshark would give us, like
A Stormtrooper kind of weapon

Hellguns

Rocket launchers

[marsh shard]

Aight

How the hell does "Skullcrusher" work exactly

[stiff glacier]

i think it increases damage enemy takes if its staggered

i think

[frank ledge]

I really hope the community treats speedrunning dt as it should be

A false solo/duo

[placid swan]

Heavy Lasguns! Crew serviced weaponry!

[limber fiber]

Is that Hammer of the Emperor guide still accurate? From what I can find, the steam guide is still being worked on, right? I'm mostly looking for the dump stats and best perks and blessings for a weapon completionist spreadsheet I'm working on.

[pseudo fiber]

It is

[limber fiber]

ok sweet. Do you know if that applies to the zealot and psyker ones as well? To tell you the truth, until know I've only played Ogryn so I don't know what changes have been made to the other classes at all lol

[pseudo fiber]

I'm gonna generally say yes

But I think you dumb collat instead of mobility on bolter for zealot

[limber fiber]

ok thanks. If things change I can always update the spreadsheet lol. Still trying to figure out how to implement the different builds some weapons have, since for a lot of the weapons the blessings and perks are kinda up to your personal preference

[rough stream]

am I just unlucky or is the shock maul not available in the armory ?

[pseudo fiber]

It is

[pallid jetty]

should be

[rough stream]

the shop, not the one where you buy grey items

I‘ve been playing for 3 days and not seen one in the wilds

[analog mural]

it can be there

im 80% sure

I havent checked the armoury in like a year though

[rough stream]

well worst case scenario I can just boost it to 500 still right ?

[normal bay]

I see them in the shop frequently

[limber fiber]

don't you have to unlock the weapons first before being able to buy them from the requisition, or am I wrong?

[normal bay]

Only thing that matters are your maxed out stats. You can upgrade everything else. But it's more efficient to upgrade a higher rating

[limber fiber]

either way, it's just luck. I've seen like 5 of the same bully club in requisitions before lol

[rough stream]

oh right yeah, the stats too

[limber fiber]

I never see grenadier gauntlets in requisition, so I've just resigned myself to waiting until I'm level 30 to roll a perfect stat spread from Brunt's

[analog mural]

why wait until lvl30 for that

stat spread has nothing to do with level as far I as know

[limber fiber]

I thought it did. Either way, it'll cost less to empower if the base power is higher

[analog mural]

true

[pallid jetty]

if you're about the shop with rotation, where can be green and blue weapon - it might not be there of cource

just gamble the grey mauls until you get the right stat distribution

[unreal nova]

But if you really want it, just go for it.

[limber fiber]

true, but I'm already level 28 so might as well wait and build up my resources. All of my diamantine has been going towards leveling up my slab shield lately lol

[unreal nova]

Ah. If you wanna wait then. More so since Smaul is fairly meh.

[limber fiber]

smaul?

[analog mural]

shock maul

power maul is likewise referred to as paul

[limber fiber]

wait I just remembered I'm talking in the veteran channel not ogryn channel lmao

[dry cloak]

Paul

Smaul

Is a small maul

Smaal

Smol

[limber fiber]

lol

[umbral grove]

[analog mural]

[red star]

whats the dump stat for helbore

[tame lodge]

Stability

[red star]

thanks

[tame lodge]

Weapon so stable it spawn horses

[red star]

ive been waiting for a dump stat helbore for a week

[limber fiber]

Jesus I didn't know veteran had so many weapons holy shit

this table block feels like it's 3 miles long and I'm not even done lol

might just put these tables on entirely different tabs tbh

[tall torrent]

There’re 2 weapons with specific perfect distribution

Plasma gun
80 damage
80 stopping power
80 ammo
68~69 thermal resist
71~72 charge rate

Ripper gun
80 damage
80 range
66 ammo
Any spread between collateral and stability

The rest all fall under 4x80+60 spread

[limber fiber]

ok good to know. I'll have to put some comments on it or something. Not sure how I'll be able to get that info into the table without ruining the formatting

[dry cloak]

Why 66 ammo on ripper?

How much ammo it has then

[limber fiber]

I don't see the Ripper gun on the guide. Closest is shredder autopistol

[dry cloak]

Ripper gun is oggy weapon

[limber fiber]

oh I didn't realize he was talking about that one. Figured maybe there was a vet weapon that had the same name or something lol

like a smaller version ig idk

[tame lodge]

Something about Blaze Away stacking

[dry cloak]

Aye

Still prefer 21 shots in nag

[grand perch]

[limber fiber]

so like is that the max the game will give you or is that the max you are looking for otherwise Blaze Away breaks?

[tame lodge]

Found it

[tame lodge]

66 is what you're looking for
The game is able to give you 80 though

[limber fiber]

Ah I see. Thanks!

[tall torrent]

Stack blessings once per shot

Instead of once per 2 shots

[dry cloak]

Fair enough

I have my ,,relic,, mk6 ripper from vefore itemization update and indont intend to stop using it

[sleek garden]

There was a shredder autogun combat axe infiltrate veteran in my game last night slaughtering everything

I hardly got to play the game

[tame lodge]

@cold thistle

[sleek garden]

The new shredder looks fun but I still believe the Rashad combat axe shouldn't do what it can

[cold thistle]

@tame lodge ty

[tame lodge]

With The Rashad you light attack everything but Monsters and enemy Ogryns

With the plasma you never charge the shot

[dry cloak]

Gotta get back to shredder on my vet

[tame lodge]

It's basically the most M1 + W build, with the casual gold tagging enemies

[unreal nova]

I got bored and rolled a plasma I'll never use lul

[hollow ibex]

Rashad isn't even particularly special anymore

[grand perch]

i think i need to make a DB + exec stance build for mortis trials so i can hope for infinite double barrel ammo during exec

that should be fun

[umbral scaffold]

Anybody running shredder what are your thoughts about it?

[tall torrent]

actually not bad for a quick maniac deletion gun

[sharp epoch]

I had a quickdraw revolver infinite ammo build that worked moderately well

the only problem is the rng to get the crit perks

[void dragon]

What kind of build wants that gun? Mostly melee I take due it's ammo limits

[sharp epoch]

its a pretty good grenade

[umbral scaffold]

Shredder pistol

[sharp epoch]

It's only good on gun psyker atm, vet build with it is meh

[void dragon]

What you dump on that gun? Mobility?

[sharp epoch]

Probably mobility or a specific collateral value, should test if it opens up bulwarks still or knocks down ragers with less than 80 collat

[tall torrent]

It’s very low point cost
Debatably even lower than DB shotgun

Basically u take it because u don’t want to spec anything into talents specifically to make your gun work

[hollow ibex]

but what about the ES boss deletion meme

[tall torrent]

I don’t think running exe just for auto pistol is worth it

[sleek garden]

I was thinking about this too

[hollow ibex]

how's the ammo econ on it?

[umbral scaffold]

For heavy armored I don't use it don't find it worth ammo

[sleek garden]

But I kind of want to try it with the lawbringer shotgun instead

So I have more range

[void dragon]

Not even onslaught? Really they fumble that niche?

[umbral scaffold]

Think unarmored and light armor for shredder and knife flak granade for heavy

[sleek garden]

Has anyone else tried out the graia infantry autogun and compared it to the recon lasguns

I guess it's not graia anymore actually it's the new Columnus

but like

They seem to be similar in terms of performance

[grand perch]

columnus IAG is very mid

havent stacked it against recons in particular tho

[unreal nova]

I suspect it does less than a recon to be worth bothering.

Also, recon has chance to not waste ammo as well.

[tame lodge]

It's supposed to be this less recoil brrr machine

But yeah

Mid as mid can be

[void dragon]

It isn't even particularly fast to say it's your mobility weapon

[grand perch]

seems like the game cant keep up with the cowboy revolver if you have near infinite ammo

revolver spazzes out here and there

didnt even notice the goofy-ass hand fanning

[tame lodge]

Yeah seems like it's tied to the not wasting ammo part

Happens equally on the ilas 2b

[kind scarab]

I like this

Do more of this

[regal smelt]

It gets way worse when you do actually get the infinite ammo indulgence. The revolver is basically shooting upwards after 5 seconds

[kind scarab]

I grabbed a shredder and held down left click for a solid two three minutes during a boss wave

But this is far funnier

[regal smelt]

low mag fast firing guns are the best. Double barreled just turns into a ripper gun and bolter deletes everything in the center of the screen

[sharp epoch]

Wait the crit one?

[regal smelt]

no, the straight up infinite ammo as long as you keep executioners stance active

[tame lodge]

Set an auto clicker with infinite Agrivolver

[sharp epoch]

wat ive never rolled that

[tame lodge]

See if it becomes an A10

[regal smelt]

shoots too slow and barely enough cleave to sweep through crowds, bolter is way better suited but it's still fun

[tame lodge]

Heavy Bolter gameplay

[sharp epoch]

bolter crit blessings arent as good

you only got calvacade

[regal smelt]

yeah but you don't need crit when you have a full magazines worth of bolter for each enemy on the screen

[tame lodge]

You don't need crit

That's the thing

[turbid oracle]

What's the fire rate of the bolter?

[tame lodge]

You just need exec stance to be active

[regal smelt]

around 600rpm?

it takes a bit longer than a second to go through a mag

[turbid oracle]

Trying to see how many shots I fired here

[tame lodge]

Heavy Bolter gameplay

[sharp epoch]

ive taken exe stance everytime but never got that weird

[turbid oracle]

I said literally that afterwards.

[sharp epoch]

is it on voltaic or what start

[regal smelt]

its on any

[turbid oracle]

Just do it more, It took a solid 6 tries and swapping weapons to autopistol

[regal smelt]

you just need to have executioners equiped

[sharp epoch]

its too randomized the perks

[turbid oracle]

Also take the crit chance on top of magazine and try the death dealer archetype every time you can, cause it can have no ammo use on crit, and then +30% crit on top of magazine

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jYaJ6wU99MrxgjoHR?invite=cr-MSxHNmUsMTA3NDAxNTcz

More Knockback augment propaganda

[regal smelt]

lol knockback per shot

[turbid oracle]

Holy crap it does something?

[faint beacon]

Yeah the knockback majoris augment does

[regal smelt]

I noticed it with bolter stunlocking rinda but I wouldnt expect that

[faint beacon]

stunlocks bosses if you run it with recon LMAO

Void Shield bosses are your only counter

cause they pop up and deny stagger till it drops

[regal smelt]

imagine just 1 indulgence as a stim pickup for havoc

[grand perch]

honestly that'd make havoc more interesting

the first indulgence, the one that gives no ammo used on crits, would make more guns viable

[tame lodge]

"Gweeh"- CS

[remote lintel]

hi guys, i need a bit of help for the "on overwatch" penance. Does it work if i jump off a cliff and people finish the mission without me ?

[unreal nova]

Yes, but if you do it in pubs, you'll annoy people.

[grand perch]

stars aligned on this one

[turbid oracle]

Crucian roulette doesn't work like cavalcade does it?

[remote lintel]

Can someone help me with that ?

[dry cloak]

it works better

[turbid oracle]

I mean specifically for mortis I guess, since you can have discount lucky bullet to not use ammo on crit

[dry cloak]

yeah its better

[turbid oracle]

So if I have about 60% crit off the top of the magazine and fire a shot that doesn't take ammo I still get a stack

Until I get 100% infinite ammo basically?

[dry cloak]

no

[turbid oracle]

Darn

[kind scarab]

Delicious

[viscid sparrow]

btw, Catch a Breath says "not being the target of a melee attack for 5 seconds" as the requirement for the toughness regen, but idk if that means "not being hit by a melee attack", or if I really have to not be in melee at all for 5 whole seconds...?

[kind scarab]

You can't get hit

That includes hits you block

So d o d g e 4head becomes the new way to keep it up

[viscid sparrow]

ok, thx for the clarification.

[kind scarab]

Yeap pretty good talent ngl

Really glad for the change, now it's actually useful

and rewards you for not skill issuing.

I can walk into a horde of gunners while getting shot and be only a little punished for it

[opal matrix]

Aight vets 😤 hit me with your best Bolt Pistol builds

[tame lodge]

Grenadier or shoot to bleed

https://tenor.com/view/pill-red-sibarita-matrix-sibaritadevandal-gif-22169882

[opal matrix]

Bleeed

[atomic void]

actually peak

[tame lodge]

Forgot if bistol takes exec

[mint raft]

Grenadier

[junior grail]

How is Autopistol on Vet now? Thinking of Exec Stance build

[faint beacon]

its got a gimmick of boss shredding now

[viscid sparrow]

which is both very fitting considering its name, and also very funny because BoN shredding used to be one of its strengths at one point...

[tame lodge]

Grenadier with Lethal Proximity blessing

[smoky sparrow]

now that is a true degenerate build

i love it

[tame lodge]

Damn I can't remember the shooting build with bistol

Kill zone?

[junior grail]

Anyone tested if the Helbores melee special is any different?

[wind grotto]

I haven't heavily used the helbore in a while before this patch but it seems sliightly slower overall with the changes even if you take all the aspd options

[steep flower]

Yes… it is… substantially slower

[wind grotto]

oh is it much slower, it only feels a tad worse if you have trench fighter or whatever to me

[steep flower]

That was Fatfish idea; to make it better if you have trench but tbh not all build go take a 4 point tax to get 10% att spd and without it its… not as efficient as it was before

I dunno why they even touched it; helbores were a niche use

[wind grotto]

i'm shocked they made them slower base instead of just letting aspd work on them also

[grand perch]

meanwhile us Mk IV helbore mains, watching the other bayonets get nerfed

[wind grotto]

because while they are very good uh

[tame lodge]

Because they touched all bashes

[wind grotto]

no one uses helbore anyway

[tame lodge]

Didn't really care that helby bash was special

[steep flower]

That is soo true

[atomic void]

they watched Mr Unc solo muties with hellbore and were like oh hell nah 🔥

[wind grotto]

no they did care that helbore was special and specifically made the helbore stab worse

[steep flower]

Still can’t compare the bad mandatory time between shots for MkIV with MkIIIa

[wind grotto]

everything else just gets the bonus of aspd working, the helbore stabs got hit

[atomic void]

they better not remove the nafarious WEST SIDE bolt pistol tech

[tame lodge]

Special into side shot?

[atomic void]

yes

[tame lodge]

That's intentional though

😭

[atomic void]

yell west side to buff your dmg by 50%

[steep flower]

Nobody in their right mind used bash on ANY weapon it had access to it

Ever

[atomic void]

i did on the double barrel

[wind grotto]

I sure didn't on vet

what they should do for bashes is go all the way and make WS melee proc when you start stabbing/bashing

[uncut pebble]

I wouldn't call trench fighter drill a "tax." The nodes on the way to it are quite good.

[steep flower]

True; its a general statement

If we compare; zealot & psyker usually takes 1 - 2 points to get their +10% att spd

Vet has to take 4

[tame lodge]

Wiiild

Vigilants have the best bashes in the game

😭

[steep flower]

Brautos too; i liked them

Used them ocasionally too

[viscid sparrow]

how were bashes nerfed? I didn't read that much into that part of the patch notes...

[tame lodge]

Bashes overall got buffed

If you get attack speed

But because Helbore was already fast af

FS added a 0.1 windup

Nothing else changed

[sharp epoch]

brautos used to be fun to use

[steep flower]

They still are

[wind grotto]

it was a windup and an increase before the next chained hit

[sharp epoch]

you have to dodge dance a little more though and vet is more of a glass cannon with that build

[steep flower]

That small number made it way worse

[tame lodge]

From 0.5 something to 0.6 something

So while not quite accurate a 0.1 increase works for explaining both changes

[ocean idol]

I see serated blade gotb uffed?

Is it any good now?

Kill zone and Catch a breath changes are great

[hollow ibex]

it was niche before, still niche now

ooooooh yaaaay one more bleed

https://tenor.com/view/family-chantel-tlc-hooray-happy-yay-gif-18817021

[ocean idol]

it is full bleed stacks after only 8 hits, compared to 16 before

I would say that could be big

[hollow ibex]

the only use case i can think of is lacerate mk3

i mean how often are you going to hit the same guy 8 or 16 times

[sharp epoch]

Mercy killer, lacerate would be redundant

[hollow ibex]

you already took serrated blade for MK, so that doesn't change anything

you don't take lacerate and MK at the same time

[calm shard]

So I saw Hank suggest that exe stance needs to be buffed in ogryn chat earlier today

How would it be buffed to be "competitive" with VoC @woeful junco

[grand perch]

every headshot gives 1 yellow toughness when at full

max stacks infinite

[unreal nova]

Recon pointblank memes.

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-grabbing-zoom-yellow-stare-gif-25084978

[unreal nova]

Just W+M1 everything.

[calm shard]

Anyways MY suggestion is just give it the 75% toughness damage reduction back that it had on release

That will surely work even though it does not address any of the issues the ability has that make it not great

[sleek garden]

it seems to do the same thing, has a little more recoil, actually has stagger

[woeful junco]

A quick and dirty buff, pretty cheap but effective, would be some measure of instant toughness replenish. Alternatives are bringing back some of that unwavering focus DR, or the instant reload it used to have. Both used to be problematic but maybe not egregious in the current state of the game

[patent birch]

what crosshair are we using on spearhead boltgun with the mod?

[hearty panther]

Get rid of Confirmed Kill, bake it into XStance, make it proc on any highlights

[calm shard]

Maybe also having it give your gun higher cleave to incentivize using it with more weapon types?

At least cleave on weakspot hit

[woeful junco]

Neither of those suggestions add any "tempo" to the ability, which is what it's missing

Something that it does now when you hit F

[pseudo fiber]

Full toughness regen

wahoo

[broken spade]

It does have one.
It switches to the gun

I do miss the reload on activation it use to have though. Would be nice to have it back

[stuck gorge]

they could give it a rework of that one ogryn talent that gives toughness on shot/reload but base for exe stance

[faint beacon]

I mean Cole had a good idea in regards to toughness on Estance

You only get Toughness overtime when you actually aim

[grand perch]

my mind just went "what if exec stance would give the ability suppress even enemies that are normally immune to suppression"

but that'd be stupid

imagine recon users just holding entire hordes completely in place by firing anywhere close

thugh that would finally give some synergy to the +supression nodes/talents

[stuck gorge]

coward culling value is real

[sharp epoch]

i dont think instant reload was ever problematic

it was a meme boss deletion build and didnt have the sustain of regular exe stance

really only syngergized with bolter purely cause the reload was crap

[haughty marlin]

Just tie it to headshot kills

Kill an enemy highlighted by stance, all ranged enemies within 3 meters stop firing

Then you could actually pop out of cover with a single fire weapon and stunlock a hoard of shooters/gunners all hanging off the same chunk of cover

Or just give stance full ranged immunity while ADS

[slow sky]

yeah and it'd be peak

imagine how strong exhil takedown, catch a breath, and essentially ogryn braced regen would be all at the same time with iron will

and wow! you can still be punished for misplays! it doesnt make you immortal like voc does!!

you can still get beamed! you can still get overheaded! you can still get burstered!

[tropic notch]

I love the new catch a breath

Never had more fun on vet

[lusty ether]

holy crap, a lobby with no ogryns

I might be able to see things

[marsh shard]

Imagine if exe stance reloaded the weapon

[abstract finch]

Hi all I was wondering if anyone is running a stealth vet build with the hellbore ?

[marsh shard]

Oh, I see you already mentioned going back to doing that

[iron marten]

I have one with knife, but what melee weapon would you prefer?

[abstract finch]

I can use anything really I'm a fan of the chainsword to and tac axe

[iron marten]

oh crap, idk how to build for tac axe and I think chainsword can be used without melee nodes?

[wild summit]

i honestly feel like weapon specialist should keep the ranged portion active throughout the time, not just for a single shot

that thing is so situational :/

[iron marten]

For chainsword and Helbore MK3a or MKV. Kraks are there mainly for bulwarks/crushers/monstrosities. Bayonet from Helbores benefit from Agile Engagement, so you don't need to swap to your melee to activate ranged damage buff and vice versa (the caveat is that you should only use the MKV or MK3a Helbore for this; the MK4 Helbore bayonet sucks). You can remove grenade tinkerer for the 8 stacks of Focus Target subnode instead, but I'd keep it as each krak with tinkerer does like almost 10k damage for monstrosities. You can also get rid of Low Profile subnode from the Ability and swap it to more damage, overwatch, etc., but I like that node specifically for mission objectives, though it really only works if your teammates are alive

[pseudo fiber]

You get the attack speed for the entire duration the crit is only for one shot I feel having infinite crits for 5 seconds might not be balanced but eh

[wild summit]

i suppose ... but idk, i feel like you never take WS for high fire rate weapons

its like what ...

revolver, shotgun and double barrel ..

[pseudo fiber]

You should take it for a high rate of fire weapon it's funny

[wild summit]

i did

it is

but i am also an efficient guy

[abstract finch]

Thank you so much for the help!!!

[wild summit]

in general, coming to think of it

it is weird how you use the single shot keystone for rapid fire guns only (MMF) and the rapid fire talent for single shot only (WS)

[drifting verge]

What’s the best infantry lasgun mark?

[tame lodge]

2b

[thorn lark]

RIP Sustained Fire

[tame lodge]

Or the middle one

9 is a bit eh

But 2b is numba one

[warm harbor]

If you think that the Hive city is lost, remember:

• We could be in a Genestealers infested Hive city waiting to boom

• Another chaos god could enter the mix to contain Nurgle giving us bonus problems

• We could be on a MF Tomb World

• Orks could arrive

Or, more simply

• The cultists could summon Deamons

[calm shard]

exe stance revolver

kill 3 specialists to refresh the 25 second cooldown of exe stance

pop it again to reload

repeat until out of ammo

cry

[tropic notch]

Buff survivalist to 0.5 seconds pls fatty fish

[mighty anvil]

is this good @tropic notch

[tropic notch]

Yup

I run weapon specialist with it

[mighty anvil]

i only run WS lol perfect

[mighty anvil]

is this a good roll?

[tame lodge]

Stat wise yes

[junior grail]

So I assume the niche Helbore playstyle is even nicher now?

[native hamlet]

how is helbore

[little path]

Bad

Not unusable

but like uuuh

C- Tier

Worse overall compared to plasmagun and still takes forever to pull out so you can't snipe an elite or special

[tame lodge]

C? Nah you tripping

[little path]

there will be people who insist it's some hidden gem and will point to a dude doing a solo run with only the gun

[torn moat]

Is Vraks or Columnus the good IAG?

[little path]

but chances are we're not them so just stick with conventionally good guns

[pseudo fiber]

vraks

[tame lodge]

Helbys aren't S

[native hamlet]

plasma gun outclasses it?

[tame lodge]

But they aren't C

You tripping fr fr

[little path]

I mean.. ye

[tame lodge]

Not quite

[little path]

They usually are used for the same reason but plasma just does it faster and easier

you use plasmagun because you want a particular enemy to fucking die

so you pull it out and shoot them in the head

Helbores do similar but have better ammo eco so you can be a little more generous with who you shoot

But come with the downsides of chargeup and drawspeed

[tropic notch]

It is and I prefer the mk 4 chainaxe

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build-path-if-youre-seeing-this-i-casted-a-spell-on-you-that-will-always-make-celine-matchmake-with-you-and-ur-fat?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

This is the build I use with it

Ignore the name

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jYA7ADriwkOQzDfBZ?invite=cr-MSxDbEQsMTA3NDAxNTcz

[mighty anvil]

whats the dump stat on plasma gun]

[tall torrent]

doesn't have one

perfect stats are
80 dmg
80 stopping power
80 ammo
68~69 thermal resist
71~72 charge rate
unarmored
flak
gets hot
rising heat

[radiant chasm]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

going for those double crits

[vernal trench]

@mystic glade

[radiant chasm]

he's stacking wounds

stacked wounds, went down once, took healing station charge

[vernal trench]

lmfao

[radiant chasm]

then he rage quit on his second down

PEAK

[mystic glade]

whats up

[vernal trench]

wanna do havoc 40

we need 1 more

[mystic glade]

as long as there are no purg staffs

[vernal trench]

nope

no psyker even

no golden toughness no bubble no psyker

[mystic glade]

channel?

[vernal trench]

waiting on stompt

@bleak jungle @mystic glade @latent parcel 40k

[bleak jungle]

👍

[tropic notch]

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/david-hasselhoff-true-truth-nuke-spongebob-movie-gif-10152461791604628524

[vernal trench]

striek 40k

https://streamable.com/9tlcnz

[signal cypress]

What was the mk6 Psword charge skip again?

[native hamlet]

my final words before i found myself knocked out from a nap lol

[native hamlet]

yeah i tried it inna mission cuz it looked like a traditional sniper stuff to me, but that was a very nasty caveat

i like slow but heavy hits too so got the strong punch mark, but it made the response time feel sluggish. was kinda cool for when i was able to attack gunners when i has space though
typically i would enjoy the zarona quickstub revolver, but idk if it's just my thinking but feels like it's way more valuable having it around for zealot while veteran could take advantage of another weapon to be an upgraded zarona

[mighty anvil]

what perks do i need for this (going for horde clear)

[tall torrent]

carapace/maniac
elite

prob carapace + elite

[mighty anvil]

kk

[tall torrent]

scales better for havoc

less dependency on talents

[full nacelle]

anyone know how significant the shredder autopistol buffs were?

I had no idea how to read the patch notes

"Finesse multiplier from (0.3,0.9) to (0.5,1.5)"

[radiant chasm]

more bonus for critting/weakspots

[full nacelle]

right but how much more?

[radiant chasm]

1.0=100%

0.3 would equal 30%

[full nacelle]

so what is .9 then?

[fluid garden]

Lol while my run was extremely easy and simple and anyone could do it as it was merely a speedrun that requires no skill. Surely you can concede that comparing a high intensity damnation run to a havoc 40 is at least slightly disingenuous no?

[radiant chasm]

it's percentages listed as their numeric value

1.0=100%, so the finesse multiplier went from +30%,+90% to +50%, +150%

[full nacelle]

Right but what does that value correlate to? If .3 is 30% more damage on weakspot/crits what does the .9 mean?

When is it doing 90% versus 30%?

I really wish they would just write this crap out in their patch notes lol

so is the 90% when it's a weakspot crit?

[radiant chasm]

summoning spell

@tall torrent

[full nacelle]

I haven't been able to find a list of all the ranged finesse multipliers either

come on Fartshart

[native hamlet]

i prefer the more exquisite term

obese megalodon

but i also dunno what the finesse multipliers mean in the (x,y?) format

[native hamlet]

this is a good guess

[full nacelle]

I would think that's what it is... but it also doesn't tell me how much that is in relation to any other gun in the game

why do devs have to be so secretive with their numbers

[native hamlet]

eventually a savior will save us 🙏

[tall torrent]

I don't use finesse multipliers in my calculations

I use dW, dC and dCW

[tall torrent]

u honestly don't need to

[full nacelle]

I just want to know how significant the buffs were '

[tall torrent]

u can determine if a weapon is good at finesse by how much more dmg it gets on weakspot, crit or crit-weakspot hit compared to its non-weakspot hit dmg

if the difference is a big number, it's a finesse weapon

[full nacelle]

right but I don't know what autopistols numbers were before the patch

[tall torrent]

this "difference" is coded as finesse modifier

[tall torrent]

I don't either

[full nacelle]

sheeeeeeeeee

[tall torrent]

cuz it didn't rly matter

[torpid grotto]

you can kill muties pretty fast with it now

[tall torrent]

is still doesn't matter that much rn

u get decent extra dmg on crit

but it's not worth investing huge into crit on veteran for

[full nacelle]

yeah still nothing in comparison to other vet weapons

but I'll take it

[tall torrent]

compare the numerical difference between:
how much more dmg it gets on weakspot, crit or crit-weakspot hit
and its non-weakspot hit dmg

that's the most straightforward way of telling if a weapon has high or low finesse

because every finesse scaling bonus goes off that "difference" number

[mighty anvil]

vraks IAG good?

[tame lodge]

It's the old Columnus so yeah

[mighty anvil]

dump stat mobility?

[native hamlet]

what's vraks

[native hamlet]

ah the autoguns

i haven't really used those

those are like anti horde weapons right? tho it has ads and i recall it being like you brace with it, 'less i'm thinking of a different gun

[tame lodge]

You're thinking about Braced Autoguns

The one above is Infantry Autogun

[native hamlet]

oh shit there's 2 guns

sweet

[tired cargo]

I have bought a bundle of various weapons just now, and I would like help with rather or nod they are good enough to upgrade

some of these weapons I kind of think I will be okay with less damage because I care more about having no recoil and super easy to aim

but I don't know how much of a difference 20% is in regards to stability for some of the weapons here

for example this weapon, how much of an impact would it be to lose 20% recall control, which is what a essentially stability is

[austere mica]

I wouldn’t dump damage on any weapon but two, dump collateral

[narrow frost]

check pinned guide

[austere mica]

It only affects stagger

[tired cargo]

so you think for the veteran staggering with Range weapons are not too important=

[austere mica]

It’s detrimental

Hard to hit something when you knock it over

[tired cargo]

oh yeah that is so f****** true most of my builds is build around headshotting

that will now become the dumpstead if a weapon has Collective

but what about weapons that don't have that?

[austere mica]

Mobility

[tired cargo]

oh yeah mobility I already know about not being useful at all

[austere mica]

It’s useful

But it’s not a damage stat

[tired cargo]

well it's less useful than I used to think I used to think it increased your movement speed it only increases how much stamina you use or decreases how much you use rather

and for me who have plenty of stamina like all of my characters have are Plus 3 increasing stamina trinket

anyway thank you for your help guys

[trim steppe]

I haven't taken my vet into havoc yet. I'm putting together a havoc Plasma/PS build and looking for input

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e8bae56-fc78-48d8-bd4a-434b7f805bc2/havoc-vet-plasma-ps

I want to take focus target and redirect fire, but I can't fit in Trench Fighter or Close Order Drill if I do, and I really want those.

[grand perch]

you can definitely save the point for always prepared

i have no idea how that ever got popular for plasma, a gun that you already does not need to reload basically ever in combat situations

WS would basically be only for the plasma sword, to icnrease its dodge distance mostly. you decide if thats enough for you or if that point could go towards focus target instead

at that point, you will have to let go of something you want to get focus target. id go with removing close order drill

[red star]

regarding helbore lasgun

is it the specific iron sights for it that suck, or do iron sights suck in general?

[calm shard]

it's mostly just the helbore

[tame lodge]

Mk4 iron sights are different than mk3 and 5

If you have the default skin that is

[mighty willow]

Hey guys, i'm new here, and i have a question after coming back to the game from a long leave

Is Voice of Command that good?

I barely see any other Veterans use anything besides it

[tropic notch]

Oh yes

The other 2 are good but voc is the best

[frank ether]

its the best pathing and the safest playstyle, also the most boring

problem with exe is it doesn't replenish toughness at all and you'll feel that

and stealth is, well, stealth.

[mighty willow]

Yeah, reminds me of mercenary from Vermintide 2, but i liked playing Mercenary, so i don't know why i daze off when i use voice of command

[frank ether]

Its too safe, gets boring

there is no alternate node choice either

[loud estuary]

uh i dont think thats a shovel

[vernal trench]

yea

infiltrate is much more fun and much more difficult

[frank ether]

ehh Its not really difficult

you can just dump aggro to randoms

it also still fully replenishes toughness

[vernal trench]

yea thats why it gets bad rep

because no one knows how to play it

[mighty willow]

This might be a dumb idea. But, wouldn't it be cool if there was a node that allowed the gun guy, to carry two guns, instead of one?

Something like you lose some of the ammo but the tradeoff is that you can have two different guns to handle different occasions?

[frank ether]

that breaks the game in many ways

[wild vortex]

We have enough Vets that suck at managing melee, don't need more

[mighty willow]

Shame, i remember seeing the artwork of a veteran with two autoguns in one of the skill trees, and was disappointed that you cannot, in fact, carry two autoguns and spray and pray

[mighty willow]

I'm the complete opposite, used to main Zealot, so i have to remind myself "Oh, i have a gun, for long range"

[frank ether]

there are many other games for that

in fact pretty much every other horde or pve game out there

this is the melee focused one

vet can more or less full time use certain guns, which is more than enough

Vet is also very good at melee

[mighty willow]

That was just an idea, i have zero sense on how this game plays on high difficulty or how to balance it

[frank ether]

they recently changed executioner stance so you can weapon swap freely now

Vet has many many talents and even a keystone that supports a more hybrid playstyle

[mighty willow]

What's the worst one in melee, Psyker?

[frank ether]

I'd say ogryn, but havent touched it since rework

psyker is not bad at melee, psyker players generally are, there is a difference

[mighty willow]

If they're using anything besides the saber, i can kind of get it if they're noot good.

The saber is disgusting though

Reminds me of Saltzpyre Rapier

[frank ether]

Idk which one people refer to when they say saber

dueling sword?

[mighty willow]

Yeah

[frank ether]

they have many other strong weapons

dueling sword is just overpowered

if it didn't exist there was always combat knife

which is the same thing but a bit worse

[mighty willow]

I like the combat knife just because of the animations

They feel smooth

Like you're flaining around your arm like a wet noodle and it's slicing through people kind of smooth

[frank ether]

it has many combos

hits harder than much slower weapons

[mighty willow]

Also, it's very simple. Light Spam for hordes, Heavy for big enemies......
Like Saltzpyre Rapier

[wild vortex]

[mighty willow]

My favorite loadout on Veteran still is Infantry Lasgun and Chainsword.

Because, i like being John Cadia

Are the Recon Lasgun and the Columnus Autogun still the META picks?

[calm shard]

plasma, recon, bolter

[mighty willow]

Bolter? I always thought that gun was overkill most of the time

Like, too much damage, very little ammo

[vernal trench]

I love bolter

[calm shard]

bolter can be magdumped as a panic button, is very good at sniping specials/elites

and has a fuckton of suppression to support melee centric builds

also has good boss damage

[mighty willow]

Come to think of it, since i have a bad habit of forgetting i have a gun unless it is to kill a special or an elite. I guess i'll grab one

@calm shard Pistol or Spearhead?

[calm shard]

pistol is also strong, but not what I was talking about

pistol is strong because its Lethal Proximity blessing makes the AoE of your grenades bigger

(and it can snipe specials)

[mighty willow]

I'll grab the pistol for now for the commissar larp 🙏

[mighty willow]

thank you all for the help aswel

[vernal trench]

i recognize half of these people

[rocky jacinth]

buff sniper builds ok thanks praise emperor

[grand perch]

did redirect fire always stack if there are 2 vets with it? i wasnt aware it did

or does only the higher one apply @tall torrent ?

[novel stone]

Best blessings for devils claw? Wanna try it

And best mk

[dry cloak]

for mark try mk4 and mk7 in the psykhanium which one feels better

for blessing wrath rampage

[novel stone]

Funny you said that because I liked the mk 1 a bit better

But I'll go with mk 4

[dry cloak]

mk1 does not have a stridown heavy

imo mk7 is the best

[novel stone]

That's why I like it

[dry cloak]

that why people hate it

[novel stone]

I like the side swipes, besides I already have a rashad

[dry cloak]

still mk4 or mk7 is the choice here

for devil claw

[novel stone]

Didn't realize it had rampage so I'm putting that on now

I like mk4s follow up more but I'm gonna stick with the mk 1 for a bit

Likely end up using it I just don't mind side swings

[dry cloak]

stab push attack on mk7 is really good

most people go with mk4

[novel stone]

Word

[dreamy spade]

They didn't even buff the dmg or pen on dclaw

[haughty marlin]

I like it with chainsword particularly

chainsword eats muties and bosses pretty well

[calm shard]

I can't stand using chainsword, but I take heavy sword with my bolter

Chainsword just does fuck all damage

Feels like I'm tickling things to death

[haughty marlin]

it is, however, very good at eating boss shields

revved heavy goes brrrrrr

does executioners stance buff krak grenade damage if you toggle it before the boom?

I always liked to chainsword boss shields, then lob a krak at the ground before stance and bolter magdump

[normal bay]

So do the bolt weapons have bloom or are the iron sights a bit wonky?

Was trying to get that damn 4 weakspot shots penance for ages with the bolter before I swapped to the revolver and got it first game lol

[tough tiger]

it is jerky like that

quickscope helps alleviate

[final locust]

here we go

they got that hellgun in the game yet?

[unreal nova]

You need to aim below the ironsight.

The hit area is the muzzle box area tbh.

You do want to ADS, shoot, unADS, ADS, shoot, unADS if you plan to fire more than 1 shot though.

[calm shard]

they have a fuckton of weird visual recoil

[civic knot]

Could this work for havoc 30+ if you already have a survivalist/shout vet?

The smokes will last 30 seconds and nullify ranged enemies

because of nade tinkerer

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh
Closest you have is recons

Specially 12

[desert viper]

what blessings do people run on plasma gun

[tame lodge]

Gimme a sec

[dry cloak]

guys may o have ,,the build,, meme for zealot

[mossy monolith]

is this good enough or should i get 71 charge and 69 thermal

[grand perch]

@tired egret

[mossy monolith]

[grand perch]

71 thermal + 69 charge is literally unplayable, delete that character at once

[mossy monolith]

no plz

i work so hard on this fellow

[tame lodge]

It's usable

69+ thermal allows you to shoot 8 times before overheating

71 charge was just whatever (still affects your dps)

Not sure how 2 points will affect that

[mossy monolith]

[slow spade]

Fatshark will personally change your damage values to be 1 point off lethal if your plasma isn't perfect

[mossy monolith]

[warm idol]

is it worth taking onslaught on recon? it seems very niche considering it seems only really useful for crushers and you can just use an anti carapace melee like the PS for them

also is it worth grabbing a keystone on recon or is it better to run no keystones on it?

[faint beacon]

Recon is good keystoneless

And onslaught is generally taken on Infantry Autos (Vraks) or Recons

[fervent quest]

It's not really required. Talents for weak spots, elite damage, and rending suffice for Recon and IAG. If it's still not cutting it VS carapace just melee

[faint beacon]

I’ve been fucking around with the shredder pistol and I can’t really tell if it’s good with the tax path that is onslaught or without it

But it shreds bosses with MMF

[warm idol]

im gonna assume I should be using the xii?

[fervent quest]

For Recon Las yeah. Dumdum+Infernus is my go to

[tame lodge]

Up to preference really

Anyways 12 brrrrrs like crazy

[faint beacon]

Yeah the one that spits lead the fastest will always make the best use of onslaught

[warm idol]

I meant without onslaught

since ill just use my melee for crushers

xiv seems fun with the cleave

[fervent quest]

I mean it's a lasgun...

[tall torrent]

VIc

[fervent quest]

You can throw one point into focus target, the damage buff you get from just the one point is decent and you can take more beneficial perks instead of pathing to Onslaught

[warm idol]

also what are everyones thoughts on mortis trials?

I think they are fun but it really needs more maps

and maybe an extra mode with infinite/more waves

[sacred igloo]

I think it does need to be a little longer cause sometimes you don't even get the modifier you're hoping for till wave 6 or 9 at which point you're almost done

[grand perch]

i think they need to be shorter cause theyre way too easy

[normal bay]

This markmans focus penance is going to be painful

[tall torrent]

crouch walk & spawn camp mercantile kitchen

melee kill everything

[normal bay]

I was trying that, just crouching parrying everything with devil claw lmao

Still very painful

[terse idol]

Just take like a high cleave weapoon

[earnest bone]

@tall torrentits been 350 years since last time i used power sword, can you help me remember why sometimes it goes 3 energized lights instead of 4, wasnt it always 4, no trench fighter

[tall torrent]

has been 3 energized atks for a long long long time

u can only go >3 if u miss initial atks

[earnest bone]

k, ty

[warm idol]

I want a mode where it starts harder and lasts longer

I think a good way doing it is just making an infinite mortis mode with rewards tied to how long you lasted

because that mode has a lot of potential especially with all the abilities you get

[faint beacon]

Honestly if they could add an Infinite mode where it just goes till everyone dies I’d be happy

[grand perch]

dunno, i never liked modes where the only outcome is quitting or dying

[warm idol]

im always a big fan of horde modes in coop games

it's where most of my hours on space marine 1 came from

[faint beacon]

I know that’ll be difficult to pull off but what they could do on really high waves is just make it sheer Elite spam

[faint beacon]

Every X amount of waves the team can decide if they want to return to the Reverie

But theoretically can be done infinitely

[sleek garden]

had an interesting guy in my game

for some reason he was talking about tanner and hank being a discord mod

[faint beacon]

That being?

[sleek garden]

i was like what are you talking about

and he said the discord server is full of man children and has become loser city

[grand perch]

on their own server they are probably?

[faint beacon]

He who shall not be named and Hank

Here we go

[sleek garden]

he also said i should uninstall discord because its better this way

[faint beacon]

???

Just get teamspeak bro

LMAO

[sleek garden]

im here like every day though

where is the toxicity

who was this man

im trying to get a mortis trials build of flame charge spam

[trim badger]

People love the Cybergrind in ULTRAKILL

[sleek garden]

people also like call of duty zombies

[gilded rock]

Even in zealot chat it's not that bad unless you're picking fights

Honestly gen chat has the most insufferable people in my experience

[faint beacon]

Also COD Zombies

[grand perch]

@tall torrent would you know please?

[faint beacon]

One of the staple “go till death” game modes

[gilded rock]

The Cybergrind's song is addicting

[tall torrent]

I don't actually know

[gilded rock]

One of very few, if any other, 5 minute songs I can put on repeat

[grand perch]

thx anyway

[loud belfry]

he's right you know

though the double standard thing is basically a species wide issue

[red robin]

dump stat on shredder auto pistol?

I want to headshot with it using marksmen focus, so would dumping collateral be a good dump for it?

[faint beacon]

Mobility usually

Besides FT or MMF are good on it

[arctic rampart]

guide says mobility T.dmg (Maniac) T.dmg (Flak) Pinning Fire Blaze Away but that one's from like a week ago

[signal cypress]

Cesspool*

[sleek garden]

marksmans focus is not something i expected for shredder

[signal cypress]

Yea zealot chat aint that bad for it being called a literal shithole

[red robin]

FT is focus target? mmf is marksmen focus?

[sleek garden]

i was mostly jesting

i look in there sometimes

its not that bad i dont know why it had slowmode

[red robin]

marksmen focus strong on auto weapons

in my opinion atleast

[sleek garden]

i use it on infantry autos

and recons and inflas and bolter

but braced weapons?

[red robin]

the node that gives 10% stamina on headshot hits fun

lmao true

[sleek garden]

this is a cornerstone of my zarona spread n dead build

[loud belfry]

zealot chat has the worst but it also is the only channel where people are brave enough to post cute girls

[red robin]

my agrippna revolver with run n gun for the tiny spread

[faint beacon]

This was before it’s finesse buffs

And I did some small testing with and noticed it does benefit from those two keystones

Now I’m unsure if onslaught is a good pick or not either

[red robin]

0.5 to 1.5 strong af

[faint beacon]

Cause it does get max stats of brittle

[signal cypress]

Yea I've seen literal criminal activity in other discords amongst other things

You guys are pretty fucking tame if im being honest

[narrow frost]

Probably won't be worth it, onslaught

[red robin]

double rending from chink in their armor and rending strikes?

25%?

[sleek garden]

this is easily one of the better discords