you can get up to 25% from right side vet tree
#veteran-class
slow sky
broken spade
Is that faster than the original?
slow sky
considerably
tall torrent
Yes
Except WS helbore is a meme
vernal trench
@wardns i suck ass at the game please relay this to the devs!
tall torrent
So it’s rly more like 10%
slow sky
Yes
Except WS helbore is a meme
yeah
the literally #1 change it needs is a massive swap speed decrease
tall torrent
U gotta remember that WS doesn’t work with helbore the way it should
slow sky
and it becomes so much better
tall torrent
yeah
the literally #1 change it needs is a massive swap speed decrease
No like
Helbore itself cannot use both buffs
The 15% doesn’t exist
vernal trench
Hellbore swaps like a bolter its insane
slow sky
The 15% doesn’t exist
wdym
tall torrent
wdym
WS is coded as weapon swap
It stacks from kill made while weapon in hand
U can’t activate melee specialist with a helbore in hand
slow sky
oh true
cringe
tall torrent
So melee specialist’s +15%Matk speed is not there
broken spade
yeah so with the 10%, is it faster or slower than old helbore?
I can't even remember if i grabbed the 10% with my helbore build
thin walrus
They reduced the attack speed of the bayonet, sounds harmless if you haven't played with this weapon, it literally breaks everything, in kill mode you can't kill mutants, you can't kill shieldmen while they're stunned because the bayonet is too slow, this nerf ruins all combinations, you can't kill bosses. I play with this weapon all day long, I have never felt so helpless, I literally have to take the Dueling Sword. And my skill with this weapon is very high, I've been playing with it since release.
tall torrent
yeah so with the 10%, is it faster or slower than old helbore?
Idk I’m too lazy to check
broken spade
well
at least celerity stim affects it now
although you'd probably want to be shooting under celerity with helbore
does anyone have an old clip from pre-patch of just spamming the helbore stab into a boss?
tropic notch
They reduced the attack speed of the bayonet, sounds harmless if you haven't pla...
Check pins on how to build the hell bore
Or use revolver
And speaking of vet and psyker buff
tall torrent
And speaking of vet and psyker buff
Vet buff missed the mark on all 7 changes
Psyker went from needing 50 nerfs to needing 80 nerfs
tropic notch
Psyker went from needing 50 nerfs to needing 80 nerfs
Ahhh you mad
tropic notch
I wish catch a breath was toughness regen instead of damage reduction
tall torrent
More so disappointed at vet buff 7/7 missing their mark
tall torrent
I wish catch a breath was toughness regen instead of damage reduction
It is toughness gain
tall torrent
Did I read it wrong?
Did u read?
tropic notch
No
tropic notch
Let me look at it again
broken spade
it has been toughness gain for years
tall torrent
Vostroyan veteran coat has better drip than Vostroyan zealot coat
Extremely rare for veteran cosmetic to look better than zealot cosmetic
But here we are
atomic void
yeah the vet set is the winner
tropic notch
I know that i thought they changed catch a breath
pseudo fiber
When I saw the aquila at the bottom I knew we were in good hands
tall torrent
Simply peak
faint beacon
@tall torrent I’ve never really bothered checking if this is true
broken spade
they changed it to be based off taking melee hits instead of distance
imo it's a pretty nice buff
faint beacon
But does Brittleness Bleed increase DOT like Rending Bleed
tall torrent
But does Brittleness Bleed increase DOT like Rending Bleed
it’s the exact same mechanic of ADM boost
faint beacon
Or no completely different
atomic void
i hate the zealot helmet lol what is this
proud marsh
Veteran helmet is so kino
faint beacon
I’ve skimmed sections smh
faint beacon
Besides at this point I may well wait on Steam Version also
slow spade
I'm just happy that stuff like VoC somehow live c:
tall torrent
Wait 3 months
faint beacon
22 pages of semi outdated info
slow spade
that means I don't need to change my build
tall torrent
Every month
I find a new reason
To delay it
So I can keep saying wait 3 months
faint beacon
Every month LMAO
slow spade
I'm surprised you can tolerate the Steam "guide" format
faint beacon
State mandated Vet Guide delay
slow spade
Darktide devs changing a variable by 0.1 to refuck the Vet guide
broken spade
the guide has infinite scope creep and will be delayed until the end of time
faint beacon
Anyways I can retain some info just others will be in there and just
Instantly fucking vanish
I should still probably go over it anyways
pseudo fiber
i hate the zealot helmet lol what is this
faint beacon
Up to you I don’t really mind
tall torrent
I’m at like 45% completion
faint beacon
Anyways I gotta do that once I’m home again to force the info in my mind
tall torrent
Many melee weapons to go
Then enemies breakdown
Then curios
Then builds
Penances maybe
I’m kinda considering scrapping havoc stuff
Because there’s not much variety to veteran in havoc now
pseudo fiber
Your work is appreciated by the way path
tall torrent
With the new modifiers
I think new havoc is just power sword 24/7
It’s the best at confirming kills on elites
slow spade
power sword? I'm surprised to hear that compared to stuff like Rashad
but I suppose I haven't really read the Havoc changes
tall torrent
Move speed doesn’t matter as much when spawn system is reworked to punish rushing
slow spade
ah I'll need to read that in detail
tall torrent
Cleave stagger doesn’t matter as much with elite enraging mutator
slow spade
ah true, better to go for the fastest kill times possible from what I understood
tall torrent
New havoc is not dps check
faint beacon
I’m kinda considering scrapping havoc stuff
Probably smarter to just compress it and list why it’s so short
Basically TLDR
tall torrent
But it does check ur dps in being able to confirm kills
tall torrent
Basically TLDR
TLDR vet is a top 4 class, go play psyker or ogryn
pseudo fiber
also here are some more hats that inspired the various ones we see in Darktide.
I'm quite the fan of these Vostroyan folk
tall torrent
Ogryn out here putting 8 ragers into heavy stagger state per heavy sweep with Karsolas
Meanwhile vet takes 3x effort for 1/3 impact
slow spade
Vet needs buff ;)
tall torrent
Vet tree rework 2027
slow spade
dual power swords when?
pseudo fiber
But also having 2 would be sick
slow spade
(I want dual weapons in general)
slow spade
yippie :D
faint beacon
TLDR vet is a top 4 class, go play psyker or ogryn
Exactly
slow spade
at least the new mode seems fun (even if its too easy)
I need to try the funny fps killer Ogryn lol
pseudo fiber
It's really fun
slow spade
"oops all grenades"
pseudo fiber
even if yeah it's too easy
unreal nova
"oops all grenades"
That's just 'nadier vet taking more 'nadier stuff.
pseudo fiber
The lightning cloud smokes
with healing and grenade regen
and one hitting enemies affected with lightning
crying
Smiting plague ogryns down
wanton dawn
man, colossus indulgence is a snooze fest
unreal nova
man, colossus indulgence is a snooze fest
It's all the Zealot stuff.
Also, you can finally get full 7 wound buff now with it for Martyrdom Zealots, i think.
faint beacon
man, colossus indulgence is a snooze fest
Colossus, Speedy Metabolism, and whatever is Corruption cleansing
Literally become unkillable
wanton dawn
implying mortis is a mod where you get killed
faint beacon
Oh also In The Thick Of It
wanton dawn
Am going in with exe stance mf
faint beacon
Literally free toughness when enemies are nearby LMAO
unreal nova
Literally free toughness when enemies are nearby LMAO
Catch a breath, if you just don't get hit... What is shooters?
Just sprint headfirst like a zealot into them.
COs you are just playing Zealot but better.'
I mean, the numbers are higher than the talents on Zealot even.
Also, HP regen?
arctic rampart
So, about to dive in. What mods broke?
sharp epoch
any vet in game rn?
someone said that gets hot was stealth nerfed trying to confirm
tall torrent
someone said that gets hot was stealth nerfed trying to confirm
Just get the mod and check for urself
wild summit
is vraksV still strong after leaving the columnus family?
fresh scarab
arctic rampart
someone said that gets hot was stealth nerfed trying to confirm
Gets Hot!
Critical hit chance scales by your current heat level up to 27.5-50%. Also increases critical ranged attacks damage by 4-10%.
damn thats a pretty big nerf if true
wanton dawn
BWAHAHA, the pinning treatment !
sharp epoch
damn thats a pretty big nerf if true
Yeah, hopefully it's just a typo. But fatshark has been known to do stealth nerfs
wanton dawn
80% nerf let's goo!
arctic rampart
I cant even get my game to load in.. mods are fucked this patch
sharp epoch
Gonna go modless like every patch for the first few days
wanton dawn
my mod list seems fine after updating
arctic rampart
I can get to menu and do everything but if I try to spawn in to pskarium or mission or lobby it crashes
sharp epoch
maybe its that mod that preloads the place
wanton dawn
Dark cache ?
sharp epoch
yup
arctic rampart
psyk ward?
arctic rampart
I dont have dark ccache installed
sharp epoch
ok its most likely you need to update some of them
last time it was numeric ui not being updated crashing me
fast pagoda
I remember when the devs said last update on the blog that veteran was supposed to get a new weapon this update. There is no new vet weapon, im malding. Been waiting for melta since the beta.
sharp epoch
I remember when the devs said last update on the blog that veteran was supposed ...
now its "this year"
narrow frost
I remember when the devs said last update on the blog that veteran was supposed ...
if I remember correctly they never said "next update"
they said this year
unreal nova
I remember when the devs said last update on the blog that veteran was supposed ...
They have up till midnight 31st Dec 2025 Swedish time to give us a new weapon.
arctic rampart
I'm getting some errors at startup like DMF mod manager mod script require.lua medical crate.. but it appears I got it resolved. Thank you @wanton dawn ! MissionBrief is the one that was crashing it for me on load into map/lobby
Dunno what to do about these errors, but that seems typical for release day in this game.
fast pagoda
they said this year
Ahhhh gotcha, i must've heard what i wanted to hear lol
azure stream
I remember when the devs said last update on the blog that veteran was supposed ...
least it's better than verm 2 lol where 2 patch notes ago we got teased new weapons and now it's "Not this year" lol
fast pagoda
yikes that must sting
wild summit
i thought 4x80 + 60 was a god roll?
azure stream
it's a rounding ui error
wild summit
oh?
i wonder what the code is doing
like it isnt a world ender
just sorta funny?
wild summit
oh god
ocd people are probably hard triggered by it 
it kinda itches me in a funny way too but meh
nocturne mulch
The disappointment when I see Vostroyan skin but the game gets stuck on "communicating with fatshark store" when buying aquilas 😢
wild summit
the vet skin mogs the shit out of almost all skins
gotta say
huge W
ogryn got the update
nocturne mulch
The helbore skin is sick
tall torrent
Is combat sword goat now?
Same as before
nocturne mulch
Surely not, 0.5 block window sounds awesome
tall torrent
It still has issues vs flak armor
nocturne mulch
Well aren't you the fun police
tall torrent
Were u talking about DC sword or heavy sword
nocturne mulch
Devil claw
nocturne mulch
I play via cloud streaming and I have 20ms latency to the server so 0.5 block window is a godsend lol! Was almost impossible to get it in 0.2
unreal nova
4x80 + 61 is the god roll?
It's actually 1 short of it in live games. One of those 80s is a 79.5 which gets rounded down. The 61 is actually a 60.5 and also gets rounded down.
lost frigate
damn vostroyan skin look sick
wild summit
It's actually 1 short of it in live games. One of those 80s is a 79.5 which gets...
wow
crazy if true
unreal nova
Pretty sure live servers just round down. Is like why anything not 410+ for +3 stam is a lie. It's like 2.5-2.99. The tooltip/psykhanium rounds up. But live game rounds it down.
sharp epoch
@tall torrent @wanton dawn So get's hot wasn't nerfed they just changed the wording
pseudo fiber
I'm a fan of the tall Vostroyan hat I'm debating a purchase
The non masked one for more mixing and matching
severe gale
I thought u meant heavy sword
hsword is fine into flak ?
tropic notch
@tall torrent can you explain to me how the new catch a breath works? Is it based on not taking damage or having not melee targeting you?
tall torrent
hsword is fine into flak ?
it's meh vs flak, just hard to build breakpoints for elites on vet
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> can you explain to me how the new catch a breath works? Is...
any melee hit on u deactivates it for 5s (including blocking hit)
arctic rampart
<@366562874039992331> <@369921403098628097> So get's hot wasn't nerfed they just...
it looks like it got nerfed to me. anyone playing plasma and have some crit statistics?
broken spade
any melee hit on u deactivates it for 5s (including blocking hit)
Have you checked if this actually happens in the game? My friend said his buff didn't go away after getting hit in game but it worked normally in psykanium
might just be the icon being bugged but it looked like he was gaining toughness
tropic notch
any melee hit on u deactivates it for 5s (including blocking hit)
damm id rather have it just on damage
broken spade
actually maybe he got hit by something that wasn't melee
simple jetty
So I'm going to play some DT tonight. The new update seems to add more fun
simple jetty
I don't particularly care for a lot of details in the game, so if it's good for a veteran casual like me, it sounds like it's been a long time coming.
hollow rose
I mean, yeah, but as I wrote in zealot chat, when you play on damnation and get 4 bosses at the same time, and that doesnt feel like a challenge, then something is kinda wrong
I feel like you need to actively try to die on Mortis
simple jetty
I see. I suppose it balances out the near hell difficulty that is that came with the commissar. Still haven't beaten that once yet...
hollow rose
Havoc kinda forces a meta build on you
Full survivality or dont attempt
Ofc if you're really good player then you dont need to, but most, me included, arent, so yeah
I see 30+ havoc without shield psyker, I dont join lmao
simple jetty
Yeah, and this sounds like a fun bonus round. You can take the most meme load out possible?
hollow rose
I guess? I just find it awfully hard to imagine you can lose with healing grenades on vet, or 3 charges on shout
vernal trench
Havoc kinda forces a meta build on you
No
austere mica
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jXoagJ2hP00jHv9WL?invite=c...
Airstrikes
Bomb them
bomb them again
Keep bombing them
tropic notch
@faint beacon @tall torrent would this be fine for mk knife on vet? Or should I put the point’s somewhere else
I can do another version where I take shredders and path into ws but then waste 3 points for serrated blade
sharp epoch
it looks like it got nerfed to me. anyone playing plasma and have some crit sta...
I checked in-game it still goes up to 50% crit
simple jetty
Playing mortis made me realize how tired I am
slow sky
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jXoagJ2hP00jHv9WL?invite=c...
my brother called this warframe
faint beacon
my brother called this warframe
You showed him that clip
and he called it that
LMAO
slow sky
i mean you cant see fuckin shit and youre winning anyway
indistinguishable from warframe
faint beacon
indistinguishable from warframe
slow sky
is that the nuke that kept going off in the clip
faint beacon
Perhaps
junior grail
How's the new autopistol on Vet?
burnt vortex
indistinguishable from warframe
Needs more garish colors
umbral scaffold
Veteran is such a badass knocking over boss enemy with a shout sayin "Stand up and fight" I just love this guy so much
umbral scaffold
Mortis trials right now
I don't mind number of enemies but then the maps feel claustrophobic
You don't really know whats going on sometimes
calm shard
oh MAN I just had a really funny idea
exe stance fanning revolver in mortis trials
if you get death dealer imagine the comedy
warm harbor
lost frigate
we only get 1 new enemy so far the chaos spawn which was ported from VT since the game release
warm harbor
I wanna fight a mage shooting fire and lightning at me and show him the superiority of BULLETS
lost frigate
i have little to no hope that fs will ever add a new enemy.
warm harbor
When genestealers
frank ledge
we only get 1 new enemy so far the chaos spawn which was ported from VT since t...
Wrong:
- Twins/Budget twins
- Tox bombers
- Heavy gunner rework (sort of new)
- Flak rager rework to cara (new menace with different tactics required)
- Daemon host
- Scab captain
lost frigate
but that isn't just reskin enemy ? yeah i forgot about host being add later
warm harbor
I want new things to kill
The enemy Psyker could even be a mini boss like the captains
analog mural
I would not describe tox bomber as a reskin
lost frigate
yeah i might make an unclear statement, the new enemy with new model
dry cloak
Tox bomber is a gloubadier from vt
dry cloak
Larries?
frank ledge
Still different from our friends the bombers
lost frigate
yeah i do miss the fat guy that can stun lock us and blightstromer
frank ledge
Since then hook rats are "Perchas" ane Globadiers are larry
Blight stormers always funny
lost frigate
can really mess u up if the horde lock u down and being surrounded
lost frigate
how long vt2 add the beastman since their launch anyway?
darktide is around 2 years now
pallid jetty
pseudo fiber
I believe winds of magic released around a year and a half after VT2?
I don't remember exactly thoughb
dawn garnet
if an enemy starts casting brainburst assail or smite on me im quiting the game
warm harbor
if an enemy starts casting brainburst assail or smite on me im quiting the game
Doesn’t have to be like OUR Psykers
dawn garnet
🚬 now hows being picky
umbral scaffold
Doesn’t have to be like OUR Psykers
I would give the Psyker teleport
warm harbor
🚬 now hows being picky
?
warm harbor
I would give the Psyker teleport
Like the Twins’ one?
Or more like Daemonhost but to escape?
umbral scaffold
More like he would go in and out of warp
warm harbor
So Daemonhost
umbral scaffold
Yeah
umbral scaffold
Maybe he would just summon thing from warp not even spam enemies but rather something like warp portal opening near you and some demon tentacle trying to hit you for example
You could go very creative with him
It would be cool if you could see just a little of "other side" of warp
calm shard
https://imgur.com/a/F4VqAy8 these electric smokes are pretty great ngl
umbral scaffold
Or he would create a small warp zone around him that would change environment that you fight in idk just thinking
But I would like for him to be horror like
calm shard
also the death dealer "crits don't cost ammo" lets you shoot even if you have 0 bullets
just like ogryn burst limiter override does
umbral scaffold
also the death dealer "crits don't cost ammo" lets you shoot even if you have 0 ...
Yes that one it's crazy
On my vet it was great
It can also help you to check Crit ratio
calm shard
and voltaic's instnat kill on shocked enemy works on bosses
which is especially funny with the electric smoke grenades shocking everything forever
almost compensates for literally none of the grenade talents (aside from the 20 second regen) being useful for smokes
almost
raw needle
just like ogryn burst limiter override does
it doesn't on half of his guns
calm shard
well they onyl have 6 of them that's not very many guns
raw needle
it only works on bracing rippers, hipfiring hs and both modes on twin linked
I think
doesn't on kickback gg and rumbler
umbral scaffold
I had death dealer and the one that gives infinite ammo
Is there a full list of boons in mortis ?
Can't wait to bring my bolter to trails
thick rose
so is autopistol any good now ?
odd sparrow
Well +25% dmg is significant its propably still bad compared to other options on vet. But not giga terrible like before
placid portal
New Gamemode basically Vampire survivor mode?
placid portal
Well +25% dmg is significant its propably still bad compared to other options on...
Finally a buff to my Sly Marbo build
atomic wyvern
also the death dealer "crits don't cost ammo" lets you shoot even if you have 0 ...
This Mf got an optic on his bolter?
calm shard
yeah wb it
forest breach
lovin the drip
forest breach
this works a s a commissar really well
placid swan
Hows the update treating us vets?
calm shard
Hows the update treating us vets?
kill zone and catch a breath are good talents now
so that's neat
they only go away if you take health damage from a melee attack
placid swan
I'll have to try those out.
pseudo fiber
they only go away if you take **health** damage from a melee attack
No if you block one too
:(
placid swan
Ew.
gilded raft
So any melee hit cancels them? Blocked or toughness dmg as well?
pseudo fiber
Yes
gilded raft
I get toughness dmg, that sorta makes sense, but blocking should probably not count as "being hit"
pseudo fiber
It sucks its still a like A tier talent tho
unreal nova
they only go away if you take **health** damage from a melee attack
They stop if you lose toughness as well from melee hits. At least when I messed with it. Gunfire is the only thing it powers through.
gilded raft
For sniper-like builds I'd probably consider them still, dodging is the main survival tool anyway
placid swan
Or maximum pew with recon.
gilded raft
But there's so many good nodes further down, it's still a hard case to make
unreal nova
CaB btw, I don't use the other.
winter grove
Fellas does anyone have a hellbore build on their hands? Wanted to try out an actual hellbore build lately
tough tiger
Are there twitch rewards for darktide rn?
pseudo fiber
Yup
slow spade
I just push spam a lot to keep Catch and Killteam up
atomic wyvern
lovin the drip
Holy dripsauce 
unreal nova
Are there twitch rewards for darktide rn?
If you like a garish blue purple psyker set.
slow spade
I want armored psyker :c
One of my favorite parts about 40k drip are that psykers can and do use heavy armor 😔
tame lodge
Real
unreal nova
I want armored psyker :c
It's less armored than the penance set. Unless you count leather caps as more armored than cloth hoods.
pseudo fiber
+400 :)
slow spade
It's less armored than the penance set. Unless you count leather caps as more ar...
Yeah :c just wish stuff was more like the commissary armor where you get some plating
unreal nova
Yeah :c just wish stuff was more like the commissary armor where you get some pl...
I just hate the colors.
lost frigate
should i focus on impact or charge dmg blessing for shovel ?
slow spade
I just hate the colors.
Such is life as a psyker seeking armored drip
solar monolith
It's less armored than the penance set. Unless you count leather caps as more ar...
just put a helmet on
lost frigate
bad ass af
trim badger
Phew, tried new havoc
Current 30 is harder than previous 40
Holy moly I like it
I don't like the derank tho... But holy it is fun
unreal nova
just put a helmet on <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Nu, hoods.
slow spade
I don't like the derank tho... But holy it is fun
"Oops all healers"
trim badger
"Oops all healers"
I hate the ritual one the most tho
People just push forward making the deamonhost spawn faster instead of hanging back and clearing everything first
warm harbor
Me without a single Paid Cosmetic:
grand perch
he who has nothing can still give his life for the emperor
inner iris
is hellbore bad?
warm harbor
is hellbore bad?
Nothing is bad
The only thing that changes is the amount of time you have to hit them
tough tiger
Its not about is helbore bad, its about are you good enough for it
tame lodge
is hellbore bad?
It's one of the greatest ranged weapons in the game
Hidden behind slow draw speed and Crit/Weakspot damage
pseudo fiber
I guess shock maul and the shotguns (besides double barrel) aren't great rn but everything else is godo
surreal gust
It's one of the greatest ranged weapons in the game
Hidden behind slow draw spe...
And that fuckin charge that I hate
faint beacon
Or the iron sights that aren't for everybody
Unless you get the Vostroyan or Krieg Helbore skins
P2W irons
crude fiber
Drop 10%rending for weapon specialist or the 5% crit for focus target but if you go focus target you'll want 1 or 2 of its nodes as well
arctic rampart
get demo team somehow
I guess I'd drop 10% melee attack speed and 25% toughness for demo team & focus target. If you got a slow weapon (powersword etc) you might want weapon specialist.. but taking points of attack speed won't do that 😉
sinful swallow
Under shredder go right instead of left node
opaque crane
Which mod lets you see others loadouts? 
fervent quest
Close Order Drill and Confirmed Kill are so good though
sterile phoenix
Any notable updates for builds?
hollow ibex
Close Order Drill and Confirmed Kill are so good though
o4b supremacy 💪
grand perch
hollow ibex
ET crying quietly in the background
grand perch
ET shares the a landfill with the game of the same name
slow spade
If Longshot wasn't dogshit it'd at least have a chance
tall torrent
catch a breath over GBITF
depends on what melee u have
kind of
but rashad wants right side stuff
hollow ibex
o4b is stronger if you run something like rashad
umbral scaffold
tall torrent
for a pretty long while rashad was better in most things
but given havoc's current design, power sword pulls ahead
steep flower
is hellbore bad?
LOL no
gilded raft
soooo.... yes?
good or bad, it sounds like someone snapped their underwear elastic while drowning in a metal fish barrel....
don't ask why I have a reference for that sound, it just does....
gilded raft
that's not an adjective
sinful swallow
It's a bust of the nut
gilded raft
sounds painful. You should go to a doctor
fervent quest
is hellbore bad?
Not bad there's just much better choices, like Bolter, Plasma, Infantry Autogun
Recon Las too obviously
unreal nova
I hate the ritual one the most tho
I don't even think I wanna host even if I bother. Healing rituals.
trim badger
Healing one is not as bad as it sounds really
As long as you're not playing anything that is good at cleaving but sucks at 1 target
hollow ibex
helbore is very strong in the right situation, just hard to play
and lacks flexibility
unreal nova
Healing one is not as bad as it sounds really
Yes, but see the latter part.
trim badger
Yes, but see the latter part.
Honestly if there's no Enraging Elites
It's better
That's the hardest modifier
Enraging + Ritual is probably the most pain to me
trim badger
The idea is good I just think that the execution is a little flawed
You can't just add rituals while you also add a chance for a weakened boss, a normal boss trigger near and the possibility of twins/scab captain appearing as well in the same trigger
Also it's the amount of ritualists for each deamon host
IT'S 8!!!
tame lodge
Unless you get the Vostroyan or Krieg Helbore skins
Oh I didn't check them
umbral scaffold
Bolter/ knife speed vet still possible on high LVL havoc should I take reload node?
tall torrent
Morrow is really tall lol
trim badger
Knife/Duelling Sword/Powersword are your only real 3 options in havoc
So yes knife works
I use it myself cuz I like speed on my vet
umbral scaffold
And Bolter?
trim badger
Bolter is good, but I don't really know how to build around it
I exclusively use plasma on havoc
I also see lots of Recon
sinful swallow
Bolter you want puncture for sure and either surgical or pinning fire
It has decent ammo economy if you can reliably hit the headshot, it melts bosses
trim badger
Yeah, good for new havoc that throws 99999 bosses ar you
Instead of just 6 at max rank
sinful swallow
Yeah its worth having someone specifically gear for unyielding now
Taking bolter you really only give up a perk slot and 1 talent point to bring it to near max
umbral scaffold
Puncture I have I did use surgical before
trim badger
Taking bolter you really only give up a perk slot and 1 talent point to bring it...
I'll defenitely be equipping my zealot with bolter that uses unyielding
sinful swallow
Surgical helps make sure you drop all gunners in a crit headshot + a follow up. I actually need to test if the new kill zone is reliable enough to get back to 1shot breakpoints
trim badger
And try to change my talents for the 2 nodes that gives you massive dmg Boost against thay
sinful swallow
I'll defenitely be equipping my zealot with bolter that uses unyielding
This honestly will never not be fun, especially with most modifiers wanting you to not really just spam fire anymore
Should be able to 1 mag the special monstrosity
trim badger
Pfff yeah
umbral scaffold
And what about reload time I usually just find space to safely reload with speedy vet it's not a problem most of the time
I use VoC also
tame lodge
I also see lots of Recon
Casual Lasweapons W
trim badger
And what about reload time I usually just find space to safely reload with speed...
Your team should kinda have you covered but otherwise slide spam
umbral scaffold
Ty
warm harbor
What do you guys think is the enemy the Canon Veteran would hate the most,
?
My money’s on Bulwark
Cause they block shots
Or the Rager
That forces them in melee combat
unreal nova
Or the Rager
That forces them in melee combat
Just throw 2 frags.
warm harbor
Just throw 2 frags.
Nah I keep the anti-heavy grenade
Rest I can manage but Ogryns?
Pure hate
That’s why I usually leave them to allies
I just snipe specialists and annoyances
Once I blew up a tank, that blew up a poxburster, that blew up some Shotgunners
Was epic
unreal nova
Rest I can manage but Ogryns?
Pure hate
I let others deal with them or just stab with knoife.
warm harbor
I usually dodge, special, step back
sharp epoch
What do you guys think is the enemy the Canon Veteran would hate the most,
lore wise probably the other "veterans" or guardsman like the moebian scions or snipers
warm harbor
lore wise probably the other "veterans" or guardsman like the moebian scions or ...
Moebiand have Scions?
But yeah most likely the guards
sharp epoch
elites have the scion helmet and hotshot lasguns
warm harbor
Sorry Wich ones are the elites?
You mean Gunenrs and Shotgunenrs?
warm harbor
Fair
Didn’t know they were Scions
sharp epoch
it doesnt explicitly say they are, but they're based on them
with the same gear and similar armor but moebian themed
barren nimbus
do mods work yet
loud belfry
do mods work yet
some got updated tho like scoreboard and numeric ui
tall torrent
Fair
Didn’t know they were Scions
They’re not
tall torrent
with the same gear and similar armor but moebian themed
Scions have carapace armor
These guys wear flak
They’re at best grenadier-adjacent
austere pine
which gun is absolutely stupid good when given full auto?
crude fiber
Scions have carapace armor
These guys wear flak
God imagine full carapace gunner firing line strafing around
crude fiber
which gun is absolutely stupid good when given full auto?
I guess laspistols and the blue lasgun variant. Otherwise everything else is already full auto or doesn't need it
crude fiber
That just made me realize there's no normal pistol in the game. Any not comedically big handguns in 40k?
crude fiber
no ammo consumption during exe stance
That sounds amazing. I'd love to try the graia braced and the recons
tame lodge
Ooh Bolter if you handle the recoil
crude fiber
Bring the bolter back to when exe stance reloaded your weapon. But better
tall torrent
no ammo consumption during exe stance
Boltgun
crude fiber
Didn't know that was an indulgence. Can't wait to try that lol
That means you can keep weapon specialist fire rate for a long time since you can hold the trigger down the whole time
earnest dew
crash out of server in havoc game, try to reconnect, game crashes. Fatshark pls.
warm harbor
They’re at best grenadier-adjacent
Ah there
Stormtroopers so
tropic notch
@tall torrent did you see what I @ you at?
kind scarab
Did you succeed ?
Yeah it was way too piss easy
hollow axle
Yeah it was way too piss easy
What is your build support ?
kind scarab
I'll show you later, doing rogue trader for like the next hour then gotta go to snooze for work
hollow axle
Sure ! Have fun !
kind scarab
But TLDR: Toughness sharing for team + Increased toughness regen + new node for regen on no melee damage
That effectively makes you a walking psyker bubble so long as you don't skill issue in melee
It made things laughably easy for me
austere pine
i'm gonna be so for real right now, ogryn is so op there's no point in playing if you get one with a frag bomb on your team in trials
crude fiber
But TLDR: Toughness sharing for team + Increased toughness regen + new node for ...
Oh are you constantly "regening" toughness while at full?
crude fiber
i'm gonna be so for real right now, ogryn is so op there's no point in playing i...
Infinite double nukes or Infinite insta boss kill rocks
austere pine
nukes
everything dies immediately
and when i get at least 3 enemies to myself, fuckers shoot it with a shotgun
AND on top of it all, i got the electricity archetype
crude fiber
The 5%chance to kill a shocked target also exists. The instakill things are fine for this silly mode I guess but I hope they don't bring them anywhere else
austere pine
see, i don't know if it's good or not
because i never got to do anything
I EXCLAIM HAPPINESS AT NOT PLAYING WITH 3 OGRYNS AND THEN THE GAME CRASHES
kind scarab
Oh are you constantly "regening" toughness while at full?
Yeap
crude fiber
Silly
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> did you see what I @ you at?
No
hollow axle
New medic build just dropped
Where ? 👀
vernal trench
Great to know pubs in even mid havocs are now impossible to win because players cant even survive 5 minutes
tropic notch
<@820414945543716944> <@366562874039992331> would this be fine for mk knife on v...
@tall torrent it was this
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> it was this
Open Darktide
Go to character select screen
Select veteran
Press X
Hold confirm
tropic notch
Open Darktide
Go to character select screen
Select veteran
Press X
Hold confirm
Be nice to me
tropic notch
3 points into catch a breath
I could spend 3 on serrated blade
tall torrent
I could spend 3 on serrated blade
U could also delete ur veteran unironically
And psyker too
What even are those builds
wanton dawn
U could also delete ur veteran unironically
tropic notch
U could also delete ur veteran unironically
Me when I want mk vet
tall torrent
Me when I want mk vet
mercy killer is not strong enough to warrant serrated blade
tropic notch
U could also delete ur veteran unironically
Also I’m remaking it you big
FAT
ABHORRENT
meanie
sharp epoch
i'm gonna be so for real right now, ogryn is so op there's no point in playing i...
tbf trials are easily winnable with every class
sharp epoch
but yes, ogryns clear time is pretty unmatched
austere pine
literally using anything other than death dealer archetype is equivalent to stabbing shards of glass into yourself
so when i'm trying to gather some semblence of having my build not feel like shit (because i'm running autopistol with kraks and exe stance), getting super good builds on teammates hurts extra
faint beacon
Death Dealer is good for like
WS Vet/Glugger/Gunker
like its genuinely good for those three
tall torrent
Also I’m remaking it you big
crude fiber
Infinite double healing ogryn nukes seem pretty balanced 
serene pagoda
like its genuinely good for those three
i love having infinite plasma shots.
trim badger
mercy killer is not strong enough to warrant serrated blade
On god, they kinda need to buff this blessing
I'm defenitely not a hidden zealot player that wants more powercreep 😇
ocean moat
bruh
tall torrent
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/te...
I blocked celine so I can't queue into them sorry
tropic notch
(Also I love path I mean none of this seriously)
tall torrent
why do u go survivalist for this build
real shoal
the gamemode isn't a sleepfest
I mean, the first 3 waves being Sedition-level with Damnation hp is pretty snooze. Like, a couple of gunners doesn't feel remotely interesting.
Start the match on what wave 9 is and go up from there.
real shoal
why do u go survivalist for this build
Because you go through SO MUCH double shotty ammo.
hybrid plover
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/te...
Fully Loaded and Superiority Complex.
real shoal
Like every couple melee kills ends up being an assured crit with a double barrel. So you're swapping it in constantly for a single shot that gets refilled
tall torrent
Because you go through SO MUCH double shotty ammo.
nah it's not that ammo hungry
iron marten
No agile engagement rip
real shoal
When I run it, I do.
hybrid plover
This is quite literally the same build I have for my double barrel and it works wonders.
tall torrent
can't think of a reason to run survivalist for it outside of havoc or CIVI
too much ammo on the map alrdy
hybrid plover
No agile engagement rip
Too much investment for that node unfortunately :c
iron marten
Too much investment for that node unfortunately :c
Unfortunately yeah, but it's pretty good
hybrid plover
It's real good if you're going Infiltrate though.
iron marten
I'd say just go on the right side of the tree instead
Survivalist (like Path said) is pretty overkill
real shoal
Though I do also aim to be mostly ammo drop agnostic.
Like I feel bad taking more than 1-2 big bags a map
hybrid plover
Issue is that going right side means you also have to take smokes.
iron marten
Only reason you'd run out of ammo is if you die and get revived and get stuck in the same spot for 5 mins
hybrid plover
And shredders have insane synergy with flechette.
tall torrent
Issue is that going right side means you also have to take smokes.
no? just take krak
hybrid plover
Kraks are bad.
real shoal
Kraks actually make sense in that build for extra monster damage and telling bulwarks to fuck right off.
More so than other builds anyhow
hybrid plover
I dunno. When I run this, combat knife and shredders do the job just fine. I always feel really limited when I try kraks.
Only time I even consider them as something worth using is for like
Beasts of Nurgle.
real shoal
I prefer shredders, totally
hybrid plover
And that's it.
surreal gust
I literally never took smokes after the penances anyways
real shoal
Any monster feels good to throw them at. To me double shotty feels bad to shoot at monsters.
surreal gust
So yeah I’ll just go for kraks
real shoal
Knife can do some work on them.
wild vortex
Issue is that going right side means you also have to take smokes.
How I run WS Vet
real shoal
But it's nice to just unload on them and move right along.
wild vortex
No need for Infil or Kraks
real shoal
That's my other double shotty build.
surreal gust
I’d prob take fire team but meh
real shoal
almost to a tee
tall torrent
Kraks are bad.
are u saying that because ur a havoc-only player or are u saying that because u simply don't like them
hybrid plover
I'm not a Havoc-only player.
It's just annoying when I throw a krak at a reasonable situation.
And then some dude with a dueling sword completely trivializes said situation.
real shoal
Monsters and bulwarks?
surreal gust
And then some dude with a dueling sword completely trivializes said situation.
That’s less of a krak issue and more of a dueling sword needs nerfs issue
hybrid plover
It's really more that kraks just don't hold up atm because of how slow the detonate time is.
If they just made that faster, they'd be so much better.
Hell, make them impacts.
They're still not gonna be the best grenade for general use even then.
tall torrent
don't rely on krak for smth within poking distance, idk
real shoal
I still think swapping damage on the ds4 to the ds5 would do a lot. It's slower on heavies, so not nearly as spammable.
hybrid plover
Sounds like you're complaining about your kills being "stolen"
No. It's just annoying that the current meta kinda invalidates using them a lot of the time.
real shoal
I've toyed with the 5 and it feels much better into armor. Takes a couple extra hits to kill crushers.
Isn't just a poit poit
hybrid plover
It's like, why would I take this thing when I might not even be able to use it?
And it's not an every game basis.
Of course not but, it's enough that it just makes the blitz feel... not great a lot of the time.
sharp epoch
reason kraks arent good is theyre for like only crushers or bulwarks and it only kills 1 maybe 2
tropic notch
why do u go survivalist for this build
Didn’t really know what else to pick and it’s good
hybrid plover
And again, detonate time is just so slow that even if you try to throw it at something at a distance, someone could just end up obliterating what you tried to kill anyway.
If they just shortened that, I think kraks would be in a much better spot.
tall torrent
Didn’t really know what else to pick and it’s good
u only rly need survivalist for like 2~3 guns outside of havoc / CIVI
tropic notch
Fully Loaded and Superiority Complex.
Yeah that wouldn’t be terrible
hybrid plover
You'd be surprised how much that 15% Elite damage actually helps since they're the beefiest things you have to worry about usually.
tall torrent
doesn't matter that much for DB breakpoint
hybrid plover
It matters with the bleed.
tall torrent
which enemy
sharp epoch
Didn’t really know what else to pick and it’s good
doesnt really matter vet auras are useless
tall torrent
there're some weapons that benefit from superiority complex in breakpoints, but that's not a long list
hybrid plover
Anything. Because the bleed can let you basically ignore the breakpoints with the lingering damage, especially if you're constantly proccing it.
Really, the one thing about that build I'd say. You might wanna trade Riposte for Flesh Tearer to really max out the bleed potential.
Especially since if you're really fast about swapping, you can get your melee kills, switch, shoot, proc bleed on a crusher and abuse your Uncanny to do some really heavy damage with just the bleed alone.
tropic notch
doesnt really matter vet auras are useless
How would you build it?
tall torrent
agile engagement does more than superiority complex in this case
sharp epoch
How would you build it?
instead of survivalist get tinkerer and fire team
tall torrent
ur looking at a gun with basically lowest talent dependency
with a melee that has very high talent dependency
sharp epoch
also you'll have an extra point left over you can put into the toughness regen thing under frag
wait u wont have extra nvm
wait you will have extra
tropic notch
agile engagement does more than superiority complex in this case
Yup i was hoping to path to it
tall torrent
Yup i was hoping to path to it
last 3 points into either
ammo + superiority complex + stam regen delay
or
CQKZ + stam regen delay + fire team
tropic notch
But I wanted shedder and catch a breath
sharp epoch
Yup i was hoping to path to it
also take out precision strikes like wtf is that
sharp epoch
But I wanted shedder and catch a breath
keep shredder
real shoal
more stabby stabby shooty damage!
dusty bluff
Better off with Invigorated if you want stabby stabby!
tropic notch
also take out precision strikes like wtf is that
Huh?
dusty bluff
Precision Strike is like 2 wasted points on that build. Ngl.
hybrid plover
whuh? why is precision strikes bad in this case
sharp epoch
precision strikes on shotgun is trolling
hybrid plover
it's the knife though.
dusty bluff
Dont need it
real shoal
knife good
dusty bluff
Knife does mad damage alone without it
hybrid plover
Knife has insane weak spot damage and that gets boosted way up by Precision Strikes.
It's one of the best weapons with that specific talent.
sharp epoch
2 points to get it which is bad though
dusty bluff
If you want mad dmg, get serrated and chuck on Mercy Killer
tall torrent
no stam regen delay node for knife is kind of crazy lol
iron marten
Mad damage on knife is shredder and uncanny lol
sharp epoch
no stam regen delay node for knife is kind of crazy lol
yeah I was just using what he had
I would get desperado and the .25 node on the right
but id have to take close quarter killzone 🤮
hybrid plover
Just run 3 stam curios hue
sharp epoch
its about the regen not the total stma
dusty bluff
Or Invigorated and run the block poke meta
tall torrent
knife's dps is pretty dependent on stam regen delay
red robin
For db?
tall torrent
but id have to take close quarter killzone 🤮
it's good tho
tall torrent
cuz it's not as good
hybrid plover
Because stamina delay affects your regen at all times, and significantly so.
tall torrent
knife max dps is PA spam
hybrid plover
PERSONALLY. I don't feel the need for it myself. But I get why it's a top pick with the knife.
Mk6 push attacks are bonkers.
dusty bluff
cuz it's not as good
Still saving a whole point. Than the delay
It's not that required.
red robin
What’s ur perks and blessings for knife
real shoal
I never did switch my vet knife to 6. It's 6 on vet and psyker though
hybrid plover
I would 100% recommend switching it on Vet.
Especially since it's also a lot better for horde clear, which Vet particularly benefits from.
You still have great single target with push attacks.
red robin
I just like the movement on the charged heavy on the mk3
real shoal
Probably, just never messed with it.
hybrid plover
It does but it's a vanguard cleave for the first in the chain.
Which honestly, is not a bad thing.
dusty bluff
Nope, but it does have its own move tech. Mostly Heavy block cancel depending on the anim
or moveset of the combo
hybrid plover
...What? You still have the forward momentum with the heavies with the Mk6.
tall torrent
Does the mk6 have that?
approx same movement as mk3
hybrid plover
It's virtually the same thing.
dusty bluff
Tad slower but still good
tall torrent
u can say it's technically slower
if u can sprint 156m+ without running out of stamina and sprinting in a straight line with perfectly timed heavy atks
red robin
Mobility is dump stat ye?
hybrid plover
If it's slower, it's so marginal that it basically doesn't matter.
dusty bluff
u can say it's technically slower
if u can sprint 156m+ without running out of s...
A MK3 Lunger is still faster than a MK6 Move Tech artist. But a tad is just marginal.
hybrid plover
You're still a speed fiend with either or.
tall torrent
A MK3 Lunger is still faster than a MK6 Move Tech artist. But a tad is just marg...
nah, tested
they're the same speed for all practical distances
red robin
Movement speed don’t mean shit if skirmisher is anti movement tech
dusty bluff
From PSykanium or field operated?
tall torrent
the reason mk3 is "technically faster" is not even really faster
red robin
I hate that the talent is so my playstyle but clunky to use
tall torrent
it's because mk3 has slower atk speed with heavy atks
u get to hold heavy atk longer
broken spade
if you can tell the difference between mk3 and mk6 movement speed, you are some kind of alien creature
tall torrent
mk6 comparatively holds shorter due to having higher atk speed (and better dps lol)
dusty bluff
It depends on release timing too.
red robin
Mfs built different
real shoal
It does -feel- a bit slower to me, but it really doesn't amount to anything.
tall torrent
it's not even 1-2m less
dusty bluff
Builds up overtime in a race perhap. Then we account for latency.
tall torrent
it's so small of a difference that the exact scenario of mk3 being measurably faster is not available in the game
move speed curve whenever u turn and this affects things
so has to be straight line
dusty bluff
Pretty much what I mentioned.
hybrid plover
I think the only scenario where this would even matter.
Is if you were like playing solo and completely breaking the game by outrunning everything.
tall torrent
not even enclavum bridge is that long lol
tall torrent
I think the *only* scenario where this would even matter.
Is if you were like p...
still doesn't matter for speedrunning because move speed curve
and mk3 is only "faster" by attacking slower
hybrid plover
Then yeah like, there really isn't a difference that's actually measurable.
Like if it's that marginal that 99.9% of the time, it's not even an applicable difference, it might as well not exist.
dusty bluff
Yeah.
hybrid plover
Or rather... 100%. Because if you're getting bogged down by enemies, you'll never run a distance where it matters, ever.
dusty bluff
I guess it comes down to, the two fastests runners and which one bites the dust
hybrid plover
Who abuses move tech better. Not the knife marks.
dusty bluff
Knife marks has advatanges.
tall torrent
mk3 is simpler, mk6 is better
hybrid plover
I think. There's one case where the mk3 can shine better.
Stealth builds. Because of the opening heavy and how backstab damage is applied specifically for the combat knives.
And stealth lets you get backstabs a lot easier.
real shoal
I kinda liked 3 on zealot charge because it felt more consistent. The 6s charge heavy just didn't do it for me.
But for most situations, I've come to prefer 6.
hybrid plover
Not for Vet at least. I know Shroudfield can result in some absurd numbers. But Infiltrate doesn't have a damage multiplier like Shroudfield does.
tall torrent
Not for Vet at least. I know Shroudfield can result in some absurd numbers. But ...
doesn't matter for shroudfield breakpoint
same exact 1 taps
haughty marlin
I don't really care about knife lunge tech on zealot when you have a billion stamina and sprint speed already
plus relic blade exists
dusty bluff
Ngl, knife on zealot is like the easiest thing to do known to man. Doing it on Psyker and Vet seems more satisfying.
haughty marlin
I mean relic blade can m1 until everything without carapace is dead
hybrid plover
hot take. I feel like I perform better with the knife on vet than the the dueling sword.
haughty marlin
even on havoc
hybrid plover
Knife with the right blessings can do it all. Dueling sword always feels kind of lacking for horde clear for me.
haughty marlin
the best horde clear is infinite cleave plasma
tall torrent
the best horde clear is infinite cleave plasma <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
plasma is not infinite cleave
hybrid plover
I know the numbers don't line up but maybe it's just how I play that affects this as well since I try to lean on maxxing out bleed damage as much as possible.
haughty marlin
plasma is not infinite cleave
I'm pretty sure I've seen plasma do 20 headshots in a line for the penance before
tall torrent
I'm pretty sure I've seen plasma do 20 headshots in a line for the penance befor...
that's still not infinite
plasma hipfire cleave is 50
hybrid plover
Not infinite. Just absurdly high.
tall torrent
50 is 5 scab maulers/ragers
haughty marlin
20 bodies and through walls is plenty of cleave
hybrid plover
Like if you're hitting trash, it's virtually unnoticeable.
unreal nova
that's still not infinite
It basically is shooting malice hordes.
tall torrent
there're specific things with infinite cleave
haughty marlin
you can stand at airlocks with stance up and kill the whole next room
haughty marlin
I haven't screwed with it on high havoc but I've never had any issues with auric maels
tall torrent
Even “infinite cleave” is not technically infinite cleave lol
There’s a hard limit on how many enemies can be struck by a single atk in this game
haughty marlin
so is shredder autopistol good now
narrow frost
always has been
haughty marlin
I need an excuse to switch off run and gun pistol zealot
narrow frost
its not a kill every enemy type, its an anti maniac/utility ranged weapon
hybrid plover
It was never really bad. People just always knocked it as bad because it's not good against armor.
Maniacs and unyielding? Very good though.
Just use a melee weapon that is good for armor and you're set.
Not every weapon has to do it all.
narrow frost
Exactly
haughty marlin
I just wish it also had stripped down
so I could take 9 stamina and never drop below ranged immunity
hybrid plover
If anything, it's probably one of the best boss killing weapons as of now with the finesse multiplier changes.
Just spray away at the weak spot and watch it melt.
hybrid plover
Oh yeah. I saw a snippet of someone testing that in the psykanium. It was beautiful.
Honestly, I feel it would pop off with weapon specialist too with the heightened movement speed curve and sprint to fire.
Lets you keep a really good momentum switching from melee to ranged.
arctic rampart
we talking about shredders.. for real for real?
or is this like "lawbringer shotgun is awesome" for real
hybrid plover
I mean the autopistol got a buff. It was actually a pretty good buff.
arctic rampart
yeah I didn't try it yet... fighting mods most of yesterday. do you combo it with psword or ds4 or what
hybrid plover
It probably isn't going to be like, game changing. But the weapon was never that bad to begin with. Again, people just always knocked it because it's bad against armor but that's a circumventable issue.
arctic rampart
I like hipfire run & gun types personally. one reason I like recon and plasma cause u can hipfire them quick
not gonna mention the Z word
hybrid plover
I haven't tried it in full application. But I have used it in the psykanium with a combat knife testing it out against certain mobs.
It actually feels really good to shoot.
arctic rampart
shit I gotta take off my russian black hat and put on the beta hat if Im gonna use the shredder tho
haughty marlin
there's definitely a lot of negative reinforcement when you take autopistol and get wiped by a crusher/mauler pack tbf
hybrid plover
Only thing is, flak and carapace. Might as well not.
haughty marlin
I could see that putting some people off yeah
hybrid plover
Well yeah. Because it's not meant for that.
arctic rampart
ohh.. its (still) bad against flak? thats not great 😉
haughty marlin
at least you can kneecap maulers, right?
hybrid plover
Well, it's not as bad. The finesse multiplier helps.
haughty marlin
+specialist +flak ?
hybrid plover
But you should avoid it if you can because it still does feel underwhelming
But anything that's flesh will just melt.
arctic rampart
I'll give it a try! I gotta do the stupid mastery penance anyway. Might as well craft like 20 or 30 shredders for fodder to make hadron happy
ancient path
do you guys think fatshark will remember that veteran is a class in the game, too
unreal nova
do you guys think fatshark will remember that veteran is a class in the game, to...
I mean, we got some... questionable buffs so... MAYBE?
hybrid plover
The one thing I hope, is that they give the tree a touch up like they did Ogryn.
Just let any blitz link into any side of the tree.
There are so many build possibilities that are neutered by the way the tree's pathed.
arctic rampart
do you guys think fatshark will remember that veteran is a class in the game, to...
no
hybrid plover
Hell just do that for all of the classes. Build variety is better for the game's longevity.
arctic rampart
People were saying gets hot wasnt actually nerfed, but I dont trust fatshark. Anyone using plasma, recording crit%? Or know where to look in the source scode?
pseudo fiber
Why are we bitching they gotta fix zealot tree first we'll be fine until then
hybrid plover
Also, lemme just rephrase for the autopistol.
If you're hitting weakspots, it can shred flak too now.
arctic rampart
.... are you a mk1 shovel gremlin or some other shovel gremlin
pseudo fiber
If it wasn't 50% before it never was following this change
arctic rampart
I saw that, but I don't believe them. Game companies always fuck up this kind of thing or sneak nerf in wide changes like this
arctic rampart
thats right. heavy bonks are the way.
hybrid plover
As long as you know the push attack is actually really damn strong and you know how to chain it, you'll be just fine for crushers.
arctic rampart
Eh, dont u just special stagger them
arctic rampart
How do I know skullcrusher is worth it over decimator
inland orchid
Depends how much you’re not swinging at air
hybrid plover
Because decimator-
Yeah.
And sometimes, your teammates will actively be the reason why you can't take as much advantage of it.
arctic rampart
Someone recommend a mod that tracks debuffs but then its been broken for stagger since months, no updates. So dunno how to actually know skullcrusher is doing diddly squat. Maybe if I put in a lot of time in testing and record damages but meh
hybrid plover
While skullcrusher, your teammates can effectively raise your DPS significantly.
arctic rampart
Oh I see, so teammate staggers are the key concept
hybrid plover
And yours. Any staggered enemies take way more damage.
arctic rampart
I was thinking I dont stagger a lot with special.
Most of the time if I'm using shovel its cause I'm memeing with recon-onslaught or some other stupid spec
inland orchid
Gotta combo them with the special rather than only using the special
hybrid plover
^
inland orchid
Build up impact
hybrid plover
And also intertwine pushing. Uncanny helps a lot in that regard as well.
arctic rampart
I'm pretty shit at push attacks. I can do them but I'm really shit at managing stamina then.
hybrid plover
Do you use any stamina curios?
arctic rampart
I use a +3 stamina curio and a +1 from top middle usually
hybrid plover
Might wanna consider either giving yourself a second or even third, or taking a stamina regen delay node.
pseudo fiber
I saw that, but I don't believe them. Game companies always fuck up this kind o...
Gets Hot! isn't broken
arctic rampart
( I value 33% toughness damage reduction + 1 stamina over +25% draw speed significantly)
hybrid plover
Vet can be pretty loaded with toughness without any curios at all.
arctic rampart
Gets Hot! isn't broken
50%? it said it went from 10-someting-50% to 10% flat
pseudo fiber
yeah and it's because of how the data reads
arctic rampart
Thanks. I haven't used plasma in a few months .. good to hear its still really strong
arctic rampart
You shut your mouth!
hybrid plover
It's... kind of in a league of its own.
arctic rampart
There's a few weapons that are stronger in the game!
Probably
I'm sure those filthy space wizards have a fire staff or something
hybrid plover
Yeah. And those weapons are problems for their particular classes in their own right.
arctic rampart
From what I hear zerona zealots still, nerf zerona!
tall torrent
zarona been power crept in mortis and havoc
hybrid plover
I mean it's still amazing for general use though.
But yeah it isn't nearly as prominent as it used to be.
Especially with people learning how powerful bolter can be on Zealot and utilizing the knife tech.
tropic notch
Don’t ask path about my reading comprehension
signal cypress
What perks got touched again?
Kill team and catch a breath?
tame lodge
Kill Zone and CaB
unreal nova
They are good, in firefights.
narrow frost
SERRATED
unreal nova
You gotta god dodge any melee.
narrow frost
MY BLEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
unreal nova
Blocks still break them.
unreal nova
MY BLEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+1 stack. So, gud?
hollow ibex
maybe if you're using mk3 knife + lcerate lol
or taxe mk4 light spam
idk if it's worth on anything else
unreal nova
I have it on my blu knoife build since mercykiller.
void dragon
small question: did the buff to the shredder gun did something good for the gun?
unreal nova
small question: did the buff to the shredder gun did something good for the gun?
Yes. It kills things it can kill faster.
tame lodge
small question: did the buff to the shredder gun did something good for the gun?
Most impressive stuff so far is dealing 60k damage to unyielding in one mag
void dragon
Yes. It kills things it can kill faster.
that sounds like it is still kinda sh!tty
unreal nova
that sounds like it is still kinda sh!tty
Naw. Just don't shoot crushers.
void dragon
Naw. Just don't shoot crushers.
makes sense
lost frigate
which build can make out the most from not target by melee talent build ?
void dragon
Any suggestions to make a build using it (the shredder gun)?