veteran-class

[hollow ibex]

i was

[tall torrent]

veteran is 50:50 melee/ranged
zealot is 80:20 melee/ranged
psyker is 20:80 melee/ranged
ogryn is 90:10 melee/ranged

depending on ur build u could make a mainly ranged playstyle work for veteran

[hollow ibex]

i usually end up playing zealot 99:1 melee/ranged (1 being when i flick out a tknife)

[tall torrent]

but it's not as good as psyker

[orchid hemlock]

[orchid hemlock]

not when Im playing gunlugger 😎

[void dragon]

small question: why is dumdum regarded better than headhunter for the recon lasguns?

[tall torrent]

because reciprocity gives u enough crit chance that headhunter's gains are minuscule by comparison

[orchid hemlock]

because the more crit rate you have, the less value you get from headhunter

[void dragon]

so for that guns you MUST take reciprocity?

[tall torrent]

no
but why wouldn't u

[void dragon]

another reason to hate on marksman focus

[narrow frost]

Nothing is a must in darktide

[calm shard]

?

what does this even have to do with that keystone

[orchid hemlock]

I mean reci is one of the best nodes in the tree sure, but we are just saying that on recon it is extremly valuable

[void dragon]

i ran out of points reaching there, one short to get reciprocity

can make some changes to get it tho so its moke of a jest of my part

[orchid hemlock]

I wouldn't take MF on recon, it has very bad finesse modifiers, so the keystone wont provide much benefit to it

unless u are trying to do the penance?

[void dragon]

penance is indeed something im trying to do with this, really dont like the rewards that MF gives in practice

[tall torrent]

do penance with a rashad

[orchid hemlock]

it's actually much easier to get the penance with melee than with range

take this node:

crouch into a horde and start swinging

[void dragon]

Why do I feel this is a bad joke while believing the "is actually much easier"?

[calm shard]

it's not

[void dragon]

do we need more evidence that Keystone is GARBO?

[calm shard]

MF penance is really either you like the keystone and just use it for an extended period of time

Or you don't, and you cheese it

[orchid hemlock]

this isn't a joke, the penance also counts towards melee kills

[calm shard]

it's a good keystone on a few weapons, but the penance does not lend itself to the way the keystone is best used

[void dragon]

YEAH BUT THE POINT IS THAT THE STUPID KEYSONE IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE RANGED ONE! XDDD

it litteraly gives nothing for melee and yet here i am being suggested to go melee for it

[orchid hemlock]

that's just to get the penance, u dont need to do it that way

MF has very good finesse modifiers than can turn some guns into monsters, the problem with it isn't the stats it gives, it's how awkward it is to get those buffs in the first place

standing still in this game is a death wish

[calm shard]

At least it stacks quickly just by killing ranged trash

[void dragon]

what weapons are good for that buffs?

[calm shard]

And all of the weapons that are good at using it don't need it to be at max stacks to get value

[orchid hemlock]

any weapon that scales well with finesse, like the Vraks and Revolver

[tall torrent]

vig auto, laspistol, inf las, helbore, inf auto

[hollow ibex]

realistically MF works best on fast-firing guns tho

[tall torrent]

pretty much anything with big dW, dC and dCW numbers

[calm shard]

Infantry Lasguns, Vraks Infantry Autogun, Helbore lasgun, laspistol and to a lesser extent the Bolter

[void dragon]

I have managed to stack ok with the recon lasguns because how steady they are, that keystone feels made for assault rifles

[tall torrent]

this part is what matters

henceforth

plasma can technically be considered a "finesse weapon"

given it gets like 300 extra dmg on headshot

[tame lodge]

You will not tempt me with high cleave proccing it

[tall torrent]

but on a serious note, u don't take MF for plasma

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/suit-meme-gif-3154536417054843778

[calm shard]

not worth the ammo to have to ramp it up all the damn time

and using camouflage is annoying

[tall torrent]

it doesn't matter for breakpoints almost ever

for doing the penance u just go crouch walk with a rashad, camping in mercantile kitchen for 30 mins

[void dragon]

Oddly I managed to use camouflage to get a shooting spot and firing to consistently stay on 10 stack (since on headshot kill I can move a fair bit)

[calm shard]

I ended up getting it naturally using a Helbore since I like the playstyle of the keystone and have good aim

[void dragon]

I'm a bad sniper, so I don't work well with Helbore, but I really feel MF is made for rapid fire guns

Not torrent ones tho

[trim badger]

I tried using both combat blade mk3 and mk6

Is there an actual reason to use MK6?

[calm shard]

MK6 has a better push attack, better lights, and better heavies

so it's just better

[trim badger]

better heavies? but 2/3 of them deal less damage

[calm shard]

not enough to affect breakpoints

and you can always use the punch to get to the one that does the same damage

[trim badger]

hm....

I see

[hollow ibex]

mk6 is the straight up better one (i only use mk3 tho)

[void dragon]

What advantages does the infantry lasguns have in contrast to its Autogun equivalents?

[calm shard]

damn near infinite ammo, and reverse damage falloff

they do MORE damage over distance, not less

also different blessings

[hollow ibex]

main thing is ghost (blessing) and ammo econ

and potentially better recoil ig, though it depends

the reverse damage falloff kinda sucks tbh

since a lot of engagements in this game are close range

[calm shard]

it's a hell of a lot better than them losing damage over range

they do good damage at close range

and do even better at long range

[void dragon]

Probably one of the reasons why reciprocity is so good, you will always have something swinging at you in melee

[orchid hemlock]

this: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da78034-dbda-4eff-aebc-f5660464fab7/vet-havoc-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[tall torrent]

yea, it's better in basically every way lol

higher single target dps, better cleave, same breakpoints

[tall torrent]

the punch followup deals less dmg than heavy atks on mk6 knife

[calm shard]

yeah I know

wait what

fucking fatshark

reusing the heavy animation just to make it not the same attack and it does less damage

why

[tall torrent]

y'all gotta check what u say before u say

[calm shard]

should be illegal for 2 attacks to look the same and have different damage >:(

[hollow ibex]

like vraks IAG has the worst damage dropoff

and even then, it's not bad

because engagement ranges in the game are close

[void dragon]

I like it too, but I find myself landing more bodyshots due its odd recoil (I can land headshots but I find myself more focused on other stuff so I default to just making sure the shots land instead of seeking headshots)

[uncut pebble]

Isn't mk6 faster though?

[tall torrent]

no

[uncut pebble]

...

[tall torrent]

punch followup has a much slower chain

into another punch

[uncut pebble]

I swear one of the knives has a faster followup after punch.

Like the stab.

[signal cypress]

Which mark of the infantry lasgun has the best value?

[tall torrent]

IIb or VII

[signal cypress]

Noted

[vernal trench]

No more havoc

Such a sad time

[latent parcel]

1 day and 12 hours of aurics

yuck

@vernal trench i got 332 havocs done i got the mod for it

[spare niche]

Anyone know why find your targets penance is not tracking at all for me?

Does executioners stance cause it not to work?

[uncut pebble]

What penance is that again?

[spare niche]

"On heresy threat or higher, kill 2 elite or specialist enemies during single volley fire, 50 times"

[vernal trench]

Wtf

Fuck dude

Qhat mod

Im prilly around 150-200

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent tap in

God has struck me down

[uncut pebble]

It should be working. Afaik no update in recent time has broken penances except the fire grenade one for zealout, which was fixed like 3 days later.

[spare niche]

And no bs that it needs to be exactly 2 elites and does not work if more killed?

[latent parcel]

how i got as many reapers as u trappers

[uncut pebble]

Total trapper death.

[vernal trench]

u got like doble mine

2989 for me

btu u played more than double my games tho

[latent parcel]

yeah 6k crushers

[vernal trench]

daym

makes sense tho

im not melee

so u would get more kills than me

how many snipers u got

[latent parcel]

7874

[vernal trench]

383 missions as vet

[vernal trench]

fuck dude

197k ammo to allies with survivalist

[latent parcel]

i have 125 ogryn missions

damn

ogryn about to go in

[vernal trench]

damn

not that much

383 for vet really isnt a lot tho

what about ur other classes

[latent parcel]

506 zealot

[vernal trench]

not much more than me

[latent parcel]

psyker 312

[vernal trench]

vet?

[latent parcel]

vet 647

[vernal trench]

double mine almost

damn

doubt ill ever reach 647 on my vet

thats like 250 more havocs

[latent parcel]

gotta do it

[vernal trench]

na

depends on how hard havocs is

but wont take another 250 wins to get to the point i dont even have a reason to play regular games again

doubt itll take another 25 tbh

its probably not gonna be much harder

[latent parcel]

yeah we'll see

ill be tearing it up on ogryn

[vernal trench]

im excited tgo'

hell yea

maybe we can duo finally after the buff lmao

[latent parcel]

LOL

bro why u wanna duo with me

1 of our pings gonna suck

[vernal trench]

ur my best buddy bro

[latent parcel]

yeah but the ping

[vernal trench]

fuck the ping in the ass

well do it eventually

when im good enough to solo a h40 well duo

[tropic notch]

Almost every game I’ve had yet I do terrible all my skill just flew out the window

That or the universe aligns and I get fucked by my team / darktide being darktide

Like the funny fence burster in the torrent

@vernal trench what do I do

https://tenor.com/view/dog-big-forehed-funny-dog-meme-mistacroissant-gif-8415399460962366392

[vernal trench]

idk

jsut play more

[tropic notch]

Play more matches so my losses cancelled out by my wins

[vernal trench]

random h40 pubs ur always onna lose more

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/yo-chan-niko-seal-stinky-mewing-gif-12466694243125109939

[tropic notch]

Play melee psyker

Lose

[tall torrent]

No

[tropic notch]

Play zealot

Win

[tropic notch]

He hates me

[vernal trench]

yea zealot u can easily solo the game

its stupid

[junior grail]

When zealot is more loner than loner psyker

[tropic notch]

Also played my vet and just carried

It’s when I decide to play fgs melee psyker that I just lose

[tall torrent]

You’re getting on when I’m going to sleep lol

[ocean moat]

whatre yalls opinion on the agripinaa revolver? (the western style one)

anyone got a good build for it or is it just not worth it

[radiant chasm]

there's a boss killing agri build

[sharp epoch]

I've played so much h40s that malestroms are a walk in the park now

like no matter the build i can win

[grand perch]

does he @tall torrent ?

[trim badger]

I miss Havoc already...

[stuck tree]

does havoc miss us>

them 4 modifiers

🥹

[silver trellis]

There are lonely Commisars in your area

[tropic notch]

I know

It just the agents of chaos (fatshark) decide that I’m not gonna have fun on melee psyker

And I really wanna play melee psyker

I miss my first havoc experiences

[placid swan]

No matter how much ammo saving talents I put on, I cant seem to beat a flamer zealot taking all the ammo drops.

[manic panther]

you should give the obscurus a shot

it's really good, and the special attack is not needed

nor sciers gaze

[tropic notch]

What da hell

I tried obscures and I didn’t like it

I always used the dueling sword mk 5, devils claw mk 4, or the force great sword that I forgot the mark of

Vanguard lights

Uhhh

2 vanguard heavies then strike downs

[dry cloak]

Mk8 i think it is

[tropic notch]

But scries is my main issue

Warp unbound

it’s like a fear and hunger coin flip

[manic panther]

H-L-L is such a nice combo

feels really great to use

[tropic notch]

I’ll try it out I’ve only ever used illis on the regular force swords

[manic panther]

same was with me before i gave obscurus a shot

you'll learn it doesn't need the special attack at all

better off imo

[dry cloak]

Hll comvo kills crushers on obscurus

[manic panther]

just need slaughterer and uncanny to be up

don't even need DD stacks

[tropic notch]

Hmmm

[manic panther]

but i run assail, bubble and DD

obscurus and trauma

really nice build

versitile too

[tropic notch]

Another thing I hate is the fgs dodge I’ve been debating if anticipation is really worth it

[manic panther]

i run anticipation with both FGS and force swords

feels much better

[red star]

was the dump stat for plasma charge rate or thermal resistence?

[grand perch]

@tired egret

[pseudo fiber]

Both

[dry cloak]

None

[dry cloak]

@grand perch may i have your boss deletion build?

[grand perch]

'ere you go
choose krak or smoke to your liking

[tame lodge]

They shot every other living being

[placid swan]

Only the ones who didn't call them back.

[inner iris]

is the dueling sword OP?

[tame lodge]

At single targets? Yeah
At horde clearing? Not really

[toxic leaf]

its perfectly serviceable at horde clearing and is like 20000x better than the next thing at ST, unless it was nerfed in the last month

i read there are no changes coming tomorrow for it?

[sturdy jungle]

Six shooter is the best gun

Both types

Dueling sword vet with six shooter with the weapon specialist

Dumb fun that works

Rewards constant aggression, defends against big enemies by killing them immediately

[tropic notch]

Yeah stuff with small mags and that benefit from crit is really good with ws

[sturdy jungle]

Bolt gun isn't as good solely because it isn't a revolver

[gilded raft]

Double barrel with flechette

[tropic notch]

Try the double barrel

[gilded raft]

Spread the love

[tropic notch]

Yeah man stopper and flechette

[sturdy jungle]

When the god emperor descended, he saw the world and it's faults. He saw beauty though, yet it didn't last: waterfalls dried up, trees perished, the young grew old: yet the Smith and Wesson model 10 remained beautiful. It remained amazing.

And it remained in his teenage years, and it remained after his Horus was born, and remained when his Horus died.

[tropic notch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1288287202249408616/1328580520300249088/speed-2.gif

[tame lodge]

looks inside
5 shots

[grand perch]

give me another shot in the cylinder and im deleting nurgle himself

[sturdy jungle]

6 shots were enough to take out anything on God's earth, 5 for everywhere else

[stoic thorn]

How I deadass fucking watch in regular heresy there's a random lvl34 vet magdumping into hordes

Praying I can get the revolver mastery over with I don't want to deal with the lower level idiots

[placid swan]

Didnt know folks were sweating in heresy over vet mag dumps.

[valid apex]

what's the meta like now?

for vets?

[pseudo fiber]

Pretty broad honestly

Plasma, bolt pistol, recon, revolver (though revolver falls off at high havoc) for ranged

Rashad, power sword, dueling sword, shovel (more competitive than meta though) for melee

I'm sure someone will bring up tac axe

[grand perch]

Hello is it me you're looking for

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/houseinnebraska-family-guy-not-you-family-guy-hands-in-family-guy-gif-5652141894398768700

If you bring Tactical Axe before Hsword 9

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-out-black-guy-tweaking-meme-gif-6022943353035016664

[inner iris]

does stability matter much?

[steep flower]

If you’re using a controller; yes

[tame lodge]

On Helbore? Not really
On shotguns? Not really
On everything else? Yes quite a lot

[uncut pebble]

Pretty sure stability affects spread.

On cshotgun.

[steep flower]

Twin linked stubbers?

[uncut pebble]

I'd have to look.

I just remember stability affecting spread on combat shotguns while I was debating on keeping an 80 mob one over a 80 stab one.

Lemme finish this mgr mission rq and then I'll look.

[tame lodge]

I think so yeah

But at the end of the day you'll be trying to engage everything at close range so

Unless you're trying to perfect mid range combat with shotgun

Agripina my beloved

[steep flower]

Still; i would not dump stab if there is mob to dump

[tame lodge]

Real

Hmmm

I should dump stability on my Krourk Twin linked

[steep flower]

The only exeption is recon laz for me; unironically that 20% extra colla makes a difference in havoc due to high hp pools (can stagger bomber before he throws which can be signifficant)

And recon being recon; stab does not matter at all

[stuck tree]

Stealthy veteran…

[uncut pebble]

Btw this is gonna take a minute because I'm fighting monsoon with an un upgraded sword and no aux weapon.

:P

[jaunty tinsel]

which of these melees would you advocate to synergize with recon?

[uncut pebble]

Recon is an expensive gun to build for, so shovel.

[uncut pebble]

Stability on twin linked is recoil, braced recoil, and sway, and on heavy, just sway.

[signal cypress]

ADS "recoil" which dont mean shit since the gun still kicks if you dont control it urself lmao

For the IAG anyway

[tame lodge]

Fix Krourk Twin spread problem? No
Add Deadshot but ogryn? Yes

[steep flower]

Not even deadshot; that one atleast is… ok but what ogryn got? I call it ‚controller helper’ node

[unreal nova]

Sus long range slugs though.

[unreal nova]

Just turn on aim assist.

[pseudo fiber]

Ogryn weapon spec will be cool

[radiant chasm]

might as well have 80 stability because there are better dumps on ranged weapons (collateral being the best, then mobility)

[radiant chasm]

huh didn't know this

thanks

[kind scarab]

Oggy going slap slap slap with light attacks gonna be peak

Glad ogryns getting some love

[stoic thorn]

Holy shit me

How the hell do you use the fan revolver

[dry cloak]

normally

on close distances

[grand perch]

with exec stance the braced stance is pretty accurate

https://youtu.be/f2VipV_OPk0?t=36
like so

[grand perch]

clicking heads with this is so much fun

[manic panther]

i also run the cowboy revolver with exe stance and marksmans focus

really good

[crude fiber]

Oh maybe it's good with marksman. I noticed it's breakpoints suck ass without crits otherwise. Even with exe stance

[soft trellis]

@slow sky Where's your Vet video?

[slow sky]

did it not paste it

[soft trellis]

Ah

[slow sky]

https://youtu.be/h6EdYvFNA1Y?si=8kfvoABEvdT9k7dR

[soft trellis]

lol

oops

[faint meadow]

is the Serated Blade Talent mandatory for the combat Blade? or can Mercy be swapped out if not running the Talent.

[soft trellis]

serrated blade is what makes mercy killer work

for Vet

[faint meadow]

trying to play around a bit and pump what i can into both the Combat Blade and the Infantry Las.
having a bit of trouble funding the Serrated Blade.

[stuck tree]

double knife

[grand perch]

whats the rest of the talents look like

also dont take that +30% damage subnode on infiltrate, its a measly 5 second uptime and not worth it

[pseudo fiber]

Big things are happening

[orchid hemlock]

No

[grand perch]

☝️

also ILAS and knife are both hungry in talent costs, not an ideal combo

[orchid hemlock]

But yes, you take Mercy Killer with Serrated

[grand perch]

but you could do something like this if you absolutely want serrated, infiltrate and MF

[orchid hemlock]

Not sure what the crit rate is for tho on that knife

[faint meadow]

with talents i have, right now, its 20% base with 5-15% for dodges.

[orchid hemlock]

That doesn't really answer my question, but you are forgetting the 10% base from the knife itself

[tame lodge]

[tame lodge]

Huh

Where's Path pinned CRITs

Oh well

[grand perch]

oh yeah they gone

[vestal widget]

is mortis trials always with bots?

[faint meadow]

where is it showing base 10%?
if so
the Talents i have are the 5% crit chance, 10% Melee Crit chance, with the Perk on the Knife for a further 5%.
if the Knife has a hidden built in 10% then its 30% with potential +5%-15% on dodges.

[orchid hemlock]

What

[orchid hemlock]

Knife has 10% crit rate by itself

But ig it isn't the worst perk to pick up

I just don't think it helps with breakpoints

Well unless you crit obviously

[tame lodge]

Path wrote like all base CRIT chance

Then it was pinned

But I guess it was deleted

[orchid hemlock]

What is the base crit chance on Knife?

[narrow frost]

[orchid hemlock]

I DID

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[tame lodge]

^ 15%

[faint beacon]

2

FUCKING TWO?!

[narrow frost]

2

[faint beacon]

Serrated value went up by about a small percentage

[narrow frost]

2

[faint beacon]

Also this

[tame lodge]

It's to compete with Ogryns light attacking batter

💀

[pseudo fiber]

What if we put a fucking S tier node over survivalist

[faint beacon]

Was about to say

Like

We have the most dog shit bleed talent ever

Lmao

[surreal gust]

That’d be crazy

[tall torrent]

Idk how it’ll actually work

[surreal gust]

So it’s loner if it wasn’t dogshit

[stiff glacier]

loner

[hollow ibex]

waaaaait whatttt

[faint beacon]

So it’s FS

Being FS

with bad wording

[umbral scaffold]

WTF

[faint beacon]

Cause if that’s so

[pseudo fiber]

Expecting fatshark to have consistent wording is a bit of an ask

[tall torrent]

Ok so it’s

[faint beacon]

Cab

Is S tier

[umbral scaffold]

damn had a great run on auric damnation lihght out

[faint beacon]

Like I will die on that hill

[tall torrent]

Health/toughness damage deactivates it for 5s

[umbral scaffold]

we lost but it was fun

[tall torrent]

Blocking hits does not deactivate it

[pseudo fiber]

Welp

time to slot that into every build

[faint beacon]

Blocking value on Vet

Impossible

[tall torrent]

Nah I don’t think it’s the best thing ever

I think it’s just A+ in value

[faint beacon]

It’s really fucking good just

[tall torrent]

Went from A to A+

[faint beacon]

I don’t think it’s going to be like

[surreal gust]

I think it’s free toughness pretty much all the time

[faint beacon]

You should get skinned for not taking it

[surreal gust]

As long as you don’t take hits

[tall torrent]

Nah

The issue is

When u do take melee hits

[pseudo fiber]

I mean it's better than get back in the fight
Which I was a big truther for

[tall torrent]

It’s multiple in a row often

[faint beacon]

It’s down for 5s

[surreal gust]

True

[faint beacon]

And it keeps refreshing

[tall torrent]

And the other thing is

[faint beacon]

If you keep getting hit

[surreal gust]

But it’s definitely a good pick if you’ve got extra points

[tall torrent]

Cole says health/toughness damage

Does mutant grab (but no slam) deactivate it

[faint beacon]

I

[surreal gust]

Does that do damage?

[faint beacon]

Can test that tomorrow

[tall torrent]

No

But

[surreal gust]

It is a melee hit

[tall torrent]

You’re technically being hit & disabled

Deadshot’s per shot drain being reduced is good but not enough to make it less niche

Still far too much investment

[surreal gust]

It’s still deadshot

[pseudo fiber]

It's still 0.75 stam a second owie zowie

[tall torrent]

I think the biggest difference

Is CaB being an A+ talent that’s second wind adjacent (but still worse)

And killzone going from a B tier pick to a B+ pick

[faint beacon]

It’s .1 now

What Dorn sent me

[pseudo fiber]

it's 0.75 per second with 0.25 per shot right now

so it's going to 0.75 per second with 0.1 per shot

[tall torrent]

Per shot being reduced is good
But it’s still gonna burn stamina madly fast
On the worst stamina management class

[hollow ibex]

damn

that's some pretty significant glow ups

[faint beacon]

It’s only 3

But it’s still

Huge for those talents previously

The only issue is like Path has said millions of times before

[tall torrent]

I think biggest one is CaB and the rest aren’t gonna change how those talents play

[faint beacon]

Tree positioning

[tall torrent]

And for CaB specifically

I’m wondering how good it’ll actually be depending on the weapons u have

[pseudo fiber]

Serrated blade becoming 2 means... you can... idk

[tall torrent]

Like for knife it’ll prob be crazy

[faint beacon]

Serrated having an extremely small buff but it’s competing with AE

[tall torrent]

But for actually staying inside melee brawls with like Rashad/PS6

How well is it actually gonna work

[faint beacon]

Probably not much

Call me insane but like

Uncanny Serrated shovel

LMAO

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[hollow ibex]

i might have to take serrated blade with my lacerate knife build lol

[faint beacon]

Something something rending bleed

I’ll have to see how it is

[surreal gust]

Shovel meta

[tame lodge]

Special into push attack

[tall torrent]

this might actually matter

[tame lodge]

If the target doesn't die to Skullcrusher

It bleeds for 4 stacks

[umbral scaffold]

damn I love bistol but bolter is so good also It feels better when I use knife. It takes care of everything

[faint beacon]

Rending bleed also getting buffed by SKC damage increase

[umbral scaffold]

even my thoughness

[faint beacon]

Might actually be good

But again it’s with AE

And you have to path through Close and Kill Aura

[tall torrent]

sorry but u do like 10 dmg

[umbral scaffold]

I really like this one

its a sin or not👆

[pseudo fiber]

I mean inspiring barrage I don't really get but you do you

[sharp epoch]

inspiring barrage i never liked its only useful when you have zero toughness

[umbral scaffold]

ok

[sharp epoch]

i wonder if theyre nerfing VoC

[umbral scaffold]

puncture?

[pseudo fiber]

they aren't

yeah puncture is good

[wanton dawn]

No havoc tn

[pseudo fiber]

Oh yeah they nerfed shooters in havoc

[wanton dawn]

Gonna do some train i guess

[sharp epoch]

ikr and malestroms feel so easy now

[wanton dawn]

I am trying out taxes rn

[sharp epoch]

i kinda liked the challenge of them, hopefully they buffed other things to compensate

[pseudo fiber]

It's getting bad if we're doing that

[inner iris]

what is unyielding enemies?

[tame lodge]

Just don't hit the armored parts of ogryn enemies

[trim steppe]

Monstrosities and the fleshy parts of Ogryn

[gilded raft]

gotta love those fleshy parts of Ogryns, eh?

[faint beacon]

Havoc changes are kino ngl

Twins pulling up to fucking ruin your day and run

[wanton dawn]

just another day in paradise

[inner iris]

what is monstrosities?

the beast of nurgle and chaos spawns?

[wanton dawn]

and chaos ogryns.

[warm harbor]

Quick question

Why can’t I have a rocket launcher?

[wanton dawn]

Boltgun is technically a rocket launcher

[warm harbor]

I want a rocket launcher

[warm harbor]

A big one

A proper anti-Vehichles one

I want to blow off a Plague Ogryn head

Or make a Beast have indigestion

I wanna cancel demonhosts and bisect Spawns

[sharp epoch]

play ogryn rumbler and gg are the closest ones

[viscid sparrow]

btw, which would be better to pair with Thrust on a mk3 shovel if I wanna have better hordeclear with it: Skullcrusher or Decimator?

[lusty ether]

How dare you insult my mother.

[tame lodge]

Skullcrusher is more damage to staggered enemies

[viscid sparrow]

hmmm... I just wonder if having a chance to accidentally drop Decimator is worth using it to kill hordes in potentially less hits (assuming I get at least 5+ Decimator stacks), or if Skullcrusher is the better option simply because hordes stagger easily...

its sort of the same kind of reason why I am still unsure of whether Headtaker or Deci is better on Rashad Caxe...

Deci can scale up higher, but Headtaker for example has more consistency and reliability...

[tall torrent]

headtaker is significantly better

[wind grotto]

doesn't deci have issues with falling off because it's finnicky

[hollow ibex]

yes

[wild summit]

honestly feel like grenadier is mandatory when using kraks

using demolition stockpile and demolition tema, i can always throw one nade to always stay at 1, while keeping the cd running, and also having an emergency krak for bosses and hairy situations

[umbral scaffold]

Yes You dont use them that often

What I found out about to much Granades is you tend to use them to much and it lesser situations

It takes time and it's not always the wisest choice

[warm harbor]

VETERANS
Would you rather

-Just keep shooting Nurgle cultists
-Shoot genestealers as well
-Shoot another faction too

[hollow ibex]

i want to shoot teammates

[wild summit]

tbf, in higher diffs, the elites are so numerous, that throwing one around the corner can easily attach to something you dont see

so your team easily can start a room at an advantage

[formal ice]

I will rock you with infinite rocks

[sleek garden]

I take decimator with a certain shovel because it's hard to miss when you're light spamming a mauler

Headtaker is probably better for hordes though

Which is what they are talking about

[signal cypress]

I do too, you know how good target practice speedrunners would be?

[wind grotto]

as much as i'd like another faction I just don't see it in the future, genestealers would be rad though

[lusty ether]

I would like to shoot orks.

https://tenor.com/view/ork-boy-warhammer-40k-dakka-slugga-shooting-gif-7729178731978723876

[gilded wraith]

Does Serrated Blade have any useful applications outside of Mercy Killer?

[lusty ether]

Orks even have quite big heads.

Very enjoyable to shoot.

Just sayin'

Head go pop.

Dakka dakka.

[sharp epoch]

not really

[hollow ibex]

seems like it will be slightly less niche next patch

[charred pulsar]

Is vet getting buffed somehow tomorrow?

[tame lodge]

Seems like it

[vernal harbor]

Buff

Is that in the mortis notes?

[tall torrent]

Some talent changes

[vernal harbor]

oh boy if i had a talent buff

[charred pulsar]

And what are the changes?

[pseudo fiber]

And serrated blade is 2 stacks of bleed now

[charred pulsar]

Hmmm interesting

Thanks

[dreamy spade]

Shout is even better now

Stops getting melee hit

[sterile phoenix]

Plasma blessings?

[pseudo fiber]

gets hot heat rising

[sterile phoenix]

Mk XIIIg chainsword blessings?

[pseudo fiber]

wrath rampage or wrath shred

[sterile phoenix]

Thanks!

[trim badger]

Catch a breath change means that I can bee in melee range and regen toughness still?

[pseudo fiber]

yup

just don't get hit

[trim badger]

Well now I'm defenitely 100% using it

for havoc

[pseudo fiber]

It is don't get hit Cole clarified the targeting thing is fatshark being funny

[trim badger]

oh so being shot stops it as well?

[charred pulsar]

So roughly 8 hours until update, right?

[trim badger]

13 actually

[sinful swallow]

Where are these posted

[trim badger]

They're probably releasing it the moment Havoc is re-enabled

[pseudo fiber]

Play testers showed them

the first list is from EpicCole's video the serrated blade thing Kerfus showed me

[tall torrent]

No, just melee hit

[trim badger]

alright 100% equipping it now lol

also I have a feeling that

[tall torrent]

It already was the better choice

[trim badger]

blah blah blah not to ME

[trim badger]

that the plasma gun is gonna be even more of a requirement with the new mutators

cuz being forced to target 1 victim at a time

killing the healers, killing the ritualists

[tall torrent]

Nah it already was the better choice

[tall torrent]

Nah, carapace block cleave

[trim badger]

GBITF was cool because

[tall torrent]

Vet top 4 class after patch

[trim badger]

you got shredded instantly by 1 stalker

[tall torrent]

Get ready to learn ogryn buddy

[trim badger]

aim better (?

no problemo I'll just throw 3 grenades and snipe them cultists

[tall torrent]

How do u plan to aim better vs bulwark/crusher line blocking the purple captain that’s healing the entire horde

Yes purple captain

[trim badger]

gawd damn it

we suffer that's how

either that or the magical zealot with full crit build and DS killing the crusher faster than they can regen

[tall torrent]

Nah lol

Get ready to learn ogryn buddy

[tall torrent]

Sorry

1200 heal per second

[trim badger]

but he can do more than that awa

well damn

we'll have to readapt, I suppose

I wonder if they did zealot changes btw

[tall torrent]

Yes
Chorus changed a little

But mainly

Just go play the other 3 classes lmao

[trim badger]

where can I see them changes

[tall torrent]

If u don’t want to power sword 24/7

Cuz I’m pretty sure vet is just power sword 24/7 after update

[trim badger]

is it really that bad? DS Vet dead?

[tall torrent]

No point running anything else for havoc

[trim badger]

Knife vet dead?

[tall torrent]

lol DS is not even as good as power sword rn

[trim badger]

did they do something to PS???

[tall torrent]

Power sword kills every enemy better than DS does

Even rn

[trim badger]

I'm really out of the loop

[tall torrent]

The only enemy power sword does worse are those that throw guardbreaks casually

Power sword kills crushers and bulwarks faster than DS does

Has way better mixed horde clear

Has way better group stagger vs ragers and maulers

Can cleave carapace

[trim badger]

what did they do to chorus

[tall torrent]

More DR, less gold toughness

I think

[trim badger]

I wonder where all of this is being posted

[tall torrent]

cole has 4 vids that detail some of those changes

in vid descriptions

[trim badger]

I'll try to find them

oh just as I expected

from 20 to 15 per pulse

yeah I saw that one coming

[sharp epoch]

I think the big selling point of DS is the mobillity too

if you're out of position or your stamina is zero you get cooked by melee elites

[tall torrent]

yea, except veteran benefits more from a melee that does really well vs horde & mixed horde

[sharp epoch]

Current meta is kinda reliant on just using other classes to deal with horde like purg psykers at least for h40s

[tall torrent]

yea, that's pretty bad design

with that said, power sword still goes through mixed horde, carapace and bulwarks better than DS does

even assuming inferno is cooking everything up

[sharp epoch]

Yeah the only downsides I have right now with it are fighting ragers especially since any of their hits will make you lose charge and also when you get hit by the moves that drain all your stam and you just spiral from there

[tall torrent]

yea and that's getting changed tomorrow lol

I still think vet will just be a top 4 class

[sharp epoch]

😭

oops wrong reply

@tall torrent whats your opinion on bm vs sunder

[tall torrent]

BM is more fun
Sunder is more practical

[sharp epoch]

ive always used bm

[tall torrent]

it depends on what ur actually looking for

if u want to kill horde almost as good as rashad

BM

if u want "karsolas lite" lite

sunder

[sharp epoch]

Karsolas lite would be just killing everythign?

[tall torrent]

karsolas lite is relic blade

power sword with sunder is actually better at staggering ragers than relic blade itself

relic blade needs energized heavy atk to stagger rager, and needs to stack wrath to be able to stagger as many as power sword

whereas power sword can stagger with energized light atk

and can cleave carapace (can stagger multiple maulers too)

but relic blade has better cleave dmg distribution so against what it can cleave through, it'll kill groups of them faster

[sharp epoch]

Oh I see the difference, it loses a lot of damage versus multiple targets

[tall torrent]

power sword can kill ogryns faster than relic blade with Push ATK combo

however veteran has the worst stamina management of all classes

power sword's Push ATK combo is actually

just enough dmg

to 3 hit both crusher and bulwark

at max h40 scaling

assuming no extra enemy DR stuff going on

[sharp epoch]

yeah the 2 shot breakpoint moving to 3 is kinda bad, but i live with it

[tall torrent]

5400 health carapace

3 hit is more than good lol

[sharp epoch]

sunder it seems is better with the ps 3

[tall torrent]

DS takes 3~4 usually

[sharp epoch]

cause it gives boost to heavy attacks

[tall torrent]

assuming no crits

not necessarily

because first off, mk3 is just worse than mk6

no contest

secondly the heavy atk dmg bonus does achieve like 1 breakpoint for mk6

energized heavy atk 1 tap mutant

the main use case of sunder is still cleaving through carapace and massive +clv

[marsh shard]

Or

Use uncanny weapon

And spam frags

The real vet keystone is grenadier

Go ham on all the nade nodes and spam them nades

[sharp epoch]

twinned blast and field improv o boy

[tall torrent]

field improv is usually not worth

nade investment only needs like 3 key talents

[marsh shard]

Ye, outdps everyone by tossing a constant stream of uncanny strike buffed nades

[tall torrent]

not sure abt outdps lol

[sharp epoch]

psykers can definitely out dps frag vet

[tall torrent]

psyker and ogryn both have much higher dps

[marsh shard]

Solve the vet stam problem by picking up the -.25sec stam nodes

Slide around spamming nades

I think its like 2 uncanny nades to kill a crusher

So twinned blast turns into 20% chance to 1hko a pack of crushers

[tall torrent]

nah, not enough

[marsh shard]

3?

Must have gotten auric bps mixed up with h40

[tall torrent]

still not enough

[marsh shard]

How many with max uncanny stacks?

[tall torrent]

max bleed stacks with 1 ADM is ~half of crusher's health (base game, damnation)

[marsh shard]

Trying to remember the bp with Dueling Sword

Like, 2 nades + how many heavies?

Assuming +25% damage and radius

On nades

[tall torrent]

2

or 3 if no pre-built uncanny stacks

because u'd prob kill the crusher before bleed does its full dmg

uncanny itself is too strong and needs to be nerfed

at most up to 20%

[marsh shard]

Agree

Basically you just rock ds4, build up uncanny stacks, spam nades, slide + dodge + sprint around, have -.5 stam delay

Thats how I run vet atleast

[narrow frost]

I see a major problem there

ds4.....

🤮

[marsh shard]

Yeah, the mobility needs nerfed

[narrow frost]

not just that

the dodges, the mobility, the damage, the speed, the special

everything needs to be addressed

[marsh shard]

The damage is an issue, sure

But the mobility is broken

[narrow frost]

the dps more so

[marsh shard]

Vet with psyker stam delay is the nuts

The thing is, ds4 without damage is a combat knife that trades damage for uncanny synergy with nades.

DS4 without mobility is prob still competitive with power sword

Both sides of the spectrum need toned down for sure

[tall torrent]

DS4 without mobility is not competitive with power sword

worse in every dps metric with worse cleave, worse group stagger, worse horde clear

[marsh shard]

Fair, I'm using too much hyperbole.

But yeah, the knife mobility is dumb

Its too much mobility, the mobility is a huge reason why its such a safe weapon

And if weapon is safe, over time it can deal with any situation

I rate crusher and ds incredibly high due to their safety.

I value safety over damage. Safety + Damage tho is broken

[arctic rampart]

Just use the tactical axe, the most amazing weapon ever created

[tame lodge]

You know what

I'll disagree another day

Have fun with it

[iron marten]

Lmao

[tall torrent]

tac axe is very close to being good

it just needs more unyielding & carapace dps

and prob slightly higher generalist dmg? it's pretty hard to reach core BM breakpoints without big investment

[marsh shard]

One could argue its too close to being too good

Tac axes is walking a very thin line imo between "meh" and "holy shit"

[marsh shard]

If taxes had better generalist damage than they have now... why run combat axe?

And thats a crazy question, given the axe is as good as it is.

[tall torrent]

tac axes take same talent investment as combat axe
for worse atk angle, more perk reliance vs bruiser & rager, worse carapace, worse unyielding

[signal cypress]

I love the autogun with ex stance
Really makes me feel like this

https://tenor.com/view/no-russian-call-of-duty-gif-21881502

[junior grail]

Brauto?

[hollow ibex]

not even close

[shadow oar]

Is plasma vet havoc meta? I usually run axe/recon, and I’ve got some time to grind mastery levels.

[tall torrent]

recon and plasma are top 2

[tame lodge]

Casual Lasweapons W

[signal cypress]

Vraks or columnus?

For IAG

[sharp epoch]

columbus

[astral skiff]

Anyone got any advice for the 'Make Every Shot Count' penance??

[sharp epoch]

double barrel shtogun

[astral skiff]

.... crap. why didnt i think of that?? Thansk, stranger. ill give that a try

and for the 90% accuracy bit, do they have to all be killshots?

or jsut hits?

[sharp epoch]

hits

not even all the pellets have to land

[astral skiff]

Got it, thank em's

[steep pier]

gotta love just randomly tossing a grenade across the map and somehow getting the no bounce vet penance

better then that is buying a plasma gun from the shop with a minimal ammo stat as its accurate and has good ammo consumption while okay dmg to use in a pinch

[grand perch]

Based

[astral skiff]

@sharp epoch GOT IT!

[sharp epoch]

👍

[signal cypress]

I agree

[junior grail]

Anyone knows where to listen to the new Darktide ost outside of the game?

[vernal harbor]

YouTube

[pallid jetty]

also spotify i think

[kind scarab]

Need the update to come out sooner

[potent pumice]

Anyone hoping that veteran gets a new weapon

[kind scarab]

Hoping? Nah

But if we do get one at any point I'll be pleasantly surprised

[unreal nova]

Probs another patch. They kinda owe us a new weapon since the two handers thing.

[latent parcel]

Karien the karry! Ready to get me to h40?

[unreal nova]

Nu. You carry me. Zealot got nurfed.

[latent parcel]

What happened to zealot

[unreal nova]

See vet's gold toughness.

[latent parcel]

What

[unreal nova]

The number of max gold toughness is like vet's.

[signal cypress]

Chorus was nerfed, the max over toughness

[latent parcel]

Since when

Oh shit where was this listed

[unreal nova]

Got hit down. Even if it causes you to do nothing in the time.

[signal cypress]

Its a long ass read up but that one fella cole had the notes somewhere

Here it is

[signal cypress]

zealot talents
Chorus | dr node raise to 40%, damage node raised to 30%, golden toughness reduced to 15 per wave (75% total)

Vet talents:
Kill Zone | +15% ranged damage after not being hit for 8s by melee
Deadshot | stamina drain per shot now 0.1
Catch a Breath | 5% toughness per second after not being hit for 5s in melee

Psyker talents
Assail | throw time reduced, damage raised
Penetration of the soul | actually works now (finally)
Scriers Gaze | peril gen curve reduced, instant 50% peril quell (this can save you from perils)
Disrupt Destiny | refreshes timer when hitting a boss, base duration now 5s, now restores 25% toughness over 2.5s
Purloin Providence (DD) | 100% chance for 5% peril reduced
Empowered Psionics | 10% chance, 30% toughness from toughness node, increased chance node now 15%
Malefic Momentum | now 5% dmg per stack
Surety of arms | 30% reload speed for 15% peril cost
Charged Strike (smite) | 64 damage from electrocution
Enervating Threshold | 20% chance, electrocutes for 150 dmg instead of stun
Psykinetics Aura | 4% cdr

[latent parcel]

How's karien gonna karry

[signal cypress]

Try harder

[latent parcel]

Here that @unreal nova

Time to try harder

[unreal nova]

Nu.

[unreal nova]

I don't carry either.

[gilded wraith]

Does the anti cc/stagger havoc modifier impact rev attacks?

Really don't need my chain axe taking another hit.

[unreal nova]

I assume it's general, so it's going to suck.

Enraged bulwarks gonna be bs to heck.

[gilded wraith]

Yeah.. crusher walking out from under a heavy rev will suck. Really messes with a number of blessings.

[wanton dawn]

Yo, some nice ranged vet buff

[gilded wraith]

Deadshot is interesting.

[unreal nova]

I hope you like 1 hit breakpoints in havoc, cos you need it.

[gilded wraith]

My own fault for picking a chainsaw over a toothpick to tackle ogryn I guess.

[gilded wraith]

Curious if the are still considered to have a stagger value, even if it causes no cc.

[unreal nova]

If they don't, truly toothpick hard meta.

Cos anything that relies on skullcrusher and such... out the window.

[gilded wraith]

Guess the paul ogryn were too dominant.

[unreal nova]

They were buffed too much, I guess.

[kind scarab]

Prolly

[signal cypress]

Oh boy
Even less reason to pick havoc back up!

[stuck tree]

im too use to doing stealthy run vet😭

[wanton dawn]

Cant wait to play *check notes* plasma/ps all day !

[narrow frost]

Don't?

[iron marten]

Awesome, instead of dying in 20 secs with exe stance helbore4, I can die in 35 secs instead

[stuck tree]

Grey weapons only run

[wanton dawn]

Y tho

It works

[gilded raft]

Plasma is too boring. Someone find the new shredder autopistol meta

[wanton dawn]

If i want funk i go solo q maelstrom

[iron marten]

True, funk music is pretty cool

[kind scarab]

I am 100% gonna be using shredders more. Already enjoyed them before the buff.

Zealot crit build with shredders going to be fun too.

[grand perch]

I prescribe a healthy dose of staying alive

[kind scarab]

I second that. He makes a very valid point.

[grand perch]

Can't wait for the shredder pistol ammo vacuum meta to make a comeback

[kind scarab]

Can't wait for it to be even worse in havoc

[iron marten]

during the night of September, the 21st to be specific

[wanton dawn]

No

[umbral scaffold]

Are there any nodes that help vet with overwhelming situations I mean if you don't have a choice like you are stuck with ragers?

[narrow frost]

Ability in the center

Frag nades

Actually all ability help, center most so

[earnest bone]

shout for CC/stealth to reposition + full toughness reg

frag grenade for cc

or to kill them if throw 2 + have the 25% node

[midnight wyvern]

Just have a bolter, never an issue with ragers

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah I don't mean standard things like
shout stealth or weapon

More like you have to take many hits blocking

Is there a thing to help with that I've heard block efficiency is shit

[narrow frost]

Maintaing/having more stam will help with a little bit of blocking. But most of the time it's not worth blocking

[umbral scaffold]

Ok

[narrow frost]

Blocking at 0 stam will stun you which often leads to death

So only block light attacks while having decent stam left

[stiff glacier]

man is watching ideas for builds in darklantern completely muddled with havoc. All i see is some variation of dueling swords

[narrow frost]

Ds is the best weapon in the game rn

And havoc is the hardest gamemode

[umbral scaffold]

Get back in the fight would be good ?

[narrow frost]

Put the 2 together and you get the meta

[narrow frost]

It's going to get changed tomorrow

[stiff glacier]

i used to like mk4 but seeing it everywhere has completely killed my intrest of using it

my inner hipster demands me pick unoptimal choices

[narrow frost]

End of the day

[umbral scaffold]

How ?

[narrow frost]

It's video game, play whatever

[narrow frost]

To my knowledge, today's update will change what it does

So I'd wait to see if it gets changed to pick it

But rn. It's not really worth it

[umbral scaffold]

Ok ty

I think my main problem is that I've played Zealot alot and tend to rush in

[narrow frost]

You can still do that on vet, but it's going to play out differently because of the baselines differences with the classes

Vet struggles with stamina

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah I have Stam curio are there usufull keystones or nodes for stamina ? I did use duck and dive but they said that stamina keystones are not so good

Ok I will try it's my kind of playstyle to move a lot

[narrow frost]

If I want to full dive in the speed melee I take both stam regen nodes, 1 plus 3 stam with all 3 curios having stam regen

If I remember correctly the stam regen nodes in the talent tree also reduce the recovery start timer for stamina

So stam comes back sooner and faster

The nodes I was talking about

[umbral scaffold]

Ok that's reachable for me

So it's better to go full with something rather then finding middle point

And with full speed what def nodes you have to take that is enough?

[unreal nova]

They do, you become psyker at home.

[narrow frost]

I run this alot

Duck and dive can be switched to the damage on ult for better boss dps

[umbral scaffold]

Funny thing is that when I have enough speed I mostly not get hit and it's ok but somehow I think should have more def and end up slowing my self down

[umbral scaffold]

Nice It's my kind of build

[warm harbor]

Mfs tho are highly resistant

[lusty ether]

Head. Go. Pop.

Also it's like 9 hours later. I have gone to bed, slept, gotten up, and gone to work since that message.

[umbral scaffold]

That would be ok too?

[narrow frost]

Sorry

Screen every small

But skirmisher right now is probably the worst talent in the vet tree

(the right side above weapon specialist keystone)

You'll want the 2 circled ones which will help your melee weapon

[stiff glacier]

id love to use skirmisher but man is it horrible to keep active

[narrow frost]

There

[stiff glacier]

if it was like that one zealot keystone and you could get stacks from dodges

[narrow frost]

Zoomed in

[warm harbor]

Irrelevant

[narrow frost]

Yeah, that works

And if you ever need an extra points you can remove the keystone or CQKZ

[umbral scaffold]

Ok

[umbral scaffold]

I will play around it today see how it goes

And could you show me curios

[narrow frost]

2 toughness 1 Stam

[umbral scaffold]

Ty

[narrow frost]

The 3rd gunner resistance doesn't actually give you 20% more gunner res. All 3 add up to 55% gunner res, if you feel like you take too much damage against a certain special (sniper/flamer) feel free to change 1 of the gunner res to the special res

[ornate ivy]

1000 hour noob here, any idea what the deal with rashad caxe vs achyles finess or is the goofy attack pattern the only downside?

[narrow frost]

Check the pinned guide made by path if it's not there just @ him

To my knowledge it's the attack pattern and something else that makes it so much worse

[grand perch]

The attack pattern is karking painful is what it is

[normal bay]

People use the Achyles?

[umbral scaffold]

Does Bolter still work with speedy melee or better to just go bistol?

I love bolter but It slows you down to much I think

[narrow frost]

Bolter has a long reload and pull out speed that can't be changed outside of using exstance

Bolt pistol is more fitting

For a quick swap for a special

[unreal nova]

Bonus, lethal prox.

[normal bay]

I still think you want the bolter for weapons like Heavy sword that don't deal with armour well. If we're talking optimal

[unreal nova]

You still do not want to shoot crushers with the Bistol.

6-7 shots min is really bad.

[normal bay]

I didn't realise it was that bad lol

[unreal nova]

That's hedshots btw.

GL landing 6-7 consecutive hedshots in a real game.

[stiff glacier]

still aint got that 10 headshot kills in a row penance

[unreal nova]

And the first shot is a crit from WS.

[unreal nova]

I'm not going near that. Controller reasons.

[stiff glacier]

hell i cant get that on pc

too twitchy hands

although getting on the overwatch was easier than i expected

[umbral scaffold]

Good that I gave GFN on my phone I can check something in game during work

[dry cloak]

ball staff on psyker

[unreal nova]

Aboose VoC and gold toughness

[dry cloak]

have fun

[umbral scaffold]

Just wating for my paycheck to buy controller

[unreal nova]

Which?

@flint onyx and I would like, try to sell you Gamesir controllers now, even if we get nothing out of it, lmao.

It's two less paddles than the Elite, but will last much longer and you can buy like 5-6 of them for the same dollars.

[vernal trench]

[umbral scaffold]

Gamesir

[unreal nova]

Yes, gud choice. HE sticks and triggers yes.

[stuck tree]

more cookies sah

[umbral scaffold]

I have asked someone here and that was one of recommendations

[unreal nova]

I mean, the two of us use that. I have the old T4K Kaleid. He uses the G7 on his Xbox.

Those are wired though, so may not be something you would like.

[umbral scaffold]

They have X2 version nice price

I found some drone shop that sell these controllers cheaper checked it out and it's legit

Its ~75 usd

[unreal nova]

The new ones trades features to work on the Xbox. If you mean Kaleid.

[unreal nova]

Yeah, they also got more expensive.

Also, which were you looking for anyway?

[flint onyx]

I'm waiting for mine to stop working so I can buy the one with nice buttons

[unreal nova]

By then, the next new model shows up... and all you have is worn out rubber on the sticks.