veteran-class

[calm shard]

I mean my go to vet build is this

Heavy Sword and Mk IV Helbore

[austere pine]

which hsword

ah

helbore. nevermiind

[sleek garden]

I want me stability

But I want me mobility

[austere pine]

yeah, sure

[void dragon]

Instantly rejected

[austere pine]

unarmored, weak spot damage, stripped down and kekifying barrage

[sleek garden]

I also take terrifying barrage

[calm shard]

doesn't have to be with helbore

[sleek garden]

I used to take opening salvo

[calm shard]

you can literally just drop deadshot for demo team and use an infantry lasgun instead

[sleek garden]

because I could get a 2-3 headshot burst on a scab gunner

[austere pine]

opening salvo is good on the single shot headhunter

[sleek garden]

But I've been trying hit and run

[austere pine]

here's my bolter/any melee setup

no criticisms needed, this shit sucks

actually, dropped for the emperor for the suppression one because exe stance doesn't do it that well

[unreal nova]

So only good if you get tossed off the map but it's not a pit, kay.

[sleek garden]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1334326857780301844/Warhammer_40000__Darktide_2025-01-29_19-09-59_-_Trim.mp4?ex=67dd6279&is=67dc10f9&hm=1f690d7989c008577c59b434067c46a2f7fe1135c1454dc23c575236b5cb306d&

[austere pine]

using a wound curio. already invalid

[sleek garden]

Watch me miss over and over while my teammate deals with a horde behind me lol

[sleek garden]

I like my safety net

stuff happens

[austere pine]

stuff shouldn't happen twice

[sleek garden]

stuff still happens

[austere pine]

one wound +1 wound corrupted should be plenty to get yourself to the next heal

[sleek garden]

it doesn't affect my gameplay

[austere pine]

at that point run 3 wound curios

because stuff could happen

[sleek garden]

Most of the things that kill me are one shots

[austere pine]

and if it happens that much, something is already wrong (it's the wound curio)

[sleek garden]

Cry about it

It's not the focus though

the curios don't give any offensive bonus anyway so just don't get hit and it won't matter

[unreal nova]

Some people become blind if on last wound though.

[calm shard]

hearing your team fight a fuckton of maulers behind you and you not even turning around is giving me anxiety

[unreal nova]

Blame FS no accessiblity to remove screen filters.

[sleek garden]

After a full match with those guys I can trust them with my life really

Remember that people are two shotting maulers with duelling swords

[austere pine]

at that point you really are there to just shoot the shooters

[unreal nova]

Poke chests.

[grand perch]

i mean that is ILAS' specialty

counterfire

[austere pine]

specialty? it's its whole shtick

[grand perch]

also kills ragers and muties good

[austere pine]

and a little bit of boss killing if your aim is on point

i'm failing to remember how much i was actually shooting at those but i do recall being able to kill a mutie charging at me head first without having to dodge so there's that, at least

[sleek garden]

last night I played ogryn with 2 other ogryns and on the final area of the train depot on the manufactorum we all got annihilated by gunner fire

Every time I don't play veteran I sorely miss playing veteran

[austere pine]

it's what makes an ILAS exe stance build. i'm aware

[calm shard]

yeah the infantry lasguns have stupid high maniac damage too

so they also instant kill most specials

[sleek garden]

they also leave very satisfying glowing holes in people

And then you walk past the corpse and you removed their face

[red star]

everytime i play veteren im sorely missing helbore lasgun (i am trying to max out most mastery for weaps)

[void dragon]

This is why I always protect the designated ranged specialist eliminator, even turn my back to the horde to give them a safety net

So they can t have excuses to not shoot the snipers

[sleek garden]

The worst thing about marksman stuff is that I keep having no reg shots

[austere pine]

i physically cringe while playing zealot with vets who don't know that their job is to kill ranged enemies

[sleek garden]

so I'll snipe a sniper and get a crunch sound of a headshot and a blood splat but no hitmarker

[grand perch]

you miss helbore on the only class that uses it?

[red star]

i am levelling other weapons

[sleek garden]

they just said they're doing other weapons for mastery

[steep flower]

I do

[austere pine]

might be a ping thing because that's never happened to me

i've had ghost melee hits but never shots

[grand perch]

TRIPLE PING

[red star]

i am planning to get plasma to max mastery and then i can helbore lasgun to my hearts content

[steep flower]

had both; its annoying; most present on fast enemies, primarily dogs

[sleek garden]

I don't often get ghost hits

[austere pine]

oh yeah i've had it with dogs, true

[red star]

4 more days til i can start levelling my oygrn

[sleek garden]

There's only one I get reliably, and it's very specific

As ogryn with power maul on crushers

[unreal nova]

That's fairly normal on any lag higher than 50ping.

[sleek garden]

Landing a powered light on a crusher and chaining to second light, it never connects despite making the sound and melee reaction

[austere pine]

yeah, see, that's where you're wrong already

[sleek garden]

I am a power maul believer

[unreal nova]

You have a 50% hit rate over 250ping.

[sleek garden]

It's so much fun

[austere pine]

it's a lot of fun but like

i want to believe

but it's never given me nothing to believe in

it ain't the crusher, it ain't the hammer, it ain't the psword

[sleek garden]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1333664624683388949/1350995544297701376/Warhammer_40000__Darktide_2025-03-14_21-51-46_-_Trim.mp4?ex=67dd6166&is=67dc0fe6&hm=c26b1c953875fce41cc346a094b4065e6156146835f81584ed968152867699d4&

[sleek garden]

its the ragdoller

[austere pine]

shield clears that in 2 hits

[sleek garden]

im not using the shield

I'll take it on havoc

I like the electric blue trail it leaves through the entire horde

[grand perch]

it should have powered mode like relic blade

all power weapons should

[austere pine]

nah, thunder hammer shouldn't

and crusher shouldn't either

wait a minute

that leaves power sword

and that already has it

[grand perch]

thunder hammer maybe, but crusher with multiple explosion swings would be deadass great

[austere pine]

boom. give maul a duration activation

[sleek garden]

thunder hammer would be an insane weapon if it had an always on mode

[austere pine]

it would be great, but a little too good imo

shit staggers without having that already. sure it's an anti horde weapon but that is too much imo

[grand perch]

better than DS karking 4?

[sleek garden]

annihilating crusher hordes and then bouncing off single poxwalkers over and over

[grand perch]

better than relic?

[normal bay]

Maybe you could keep crucis as it is but give Ironhelm a powered mode?

[austere pine]

power creep ❤️‍🩹

having ironhelm stop gives it its charm imo

stop on higher hitmass, that is

[sleek garden]

The recoil and the sound make it feel so powerful

It just wouldn't be the same

[austere pine]

you activate to cleave through chaff only to impact with full force the fucker with armor

[sleek garden]

People don't like screen shake

[normal bay]

Crucis stopping on the one Groaner that walked in front of the Mauler

[sleek garden]

I want it to look like someone grabbed my screen and threw it at the wall

[austere pine]

makes it feel like the littles are NOTHING and the big guy is getting the full damn force of the hammer

yeah i dunno

crucis isn't something i keep in my mind. it's something i keep in my prayers.

[sleek garden]

They gave it enough cleave to cut through 1 groaner

[austere pine]

my damn words

so now we get to kill 2 groaners when activated

HUGE. massive

[sleek garden]

They also changed it so activation chains to overhead

It's now pretty hard to hit a little dude by accident on chained hits

[austere pine]

and then there's ironhelm, cleaving through 15 different groaners and still oneshotting the rager

even heavy activation?

[normal bay]

You underestimate my lack of skill

[austere pine]

as in activation into heavy?

[tall torrent]

Wdym stagger

It doesn’t even stagger rager well without grievous wounds

[sleek garden]

I think the light attacks of the heavier thunder hammer should stagger ragers without hammerblow

Dropping a massive hammer on a dudes head is gonna rock anyone

[austere pine]

i meant the crusher, not hammers

[sleek garden]

Ah oopsie

[uncut pebble]

Activation on crucis goes into an overhead with both a light or heavy followup, yeah.

[austere pine]

got an invis flamer zealot on havoc 😦

[formal ice]

Kill him

[austere pine]

he dieded

but we all also dieded

[formal ice]

Ah so you didn't had to do anything

Good job

[austere pine]

i couldn't do anything

i was also dieded

[void dragon]

You were a witness of his heresy, so your death was necessary

[frank basin]

what's veteran melee weapon for crowd control?

[austere pine]

bro i was trying to live, true to loose cannon personality

[austere pine]

uh

like

rashad

lol

been having fun with the chain axe

great for dealing with chaff and then hitting bigger enemies for huge damage. can also chunk tanky enemies with activated attacks

honestly, chain axe uh

4?

[frank basin]

he been using devil claw because the parry

so he ask the cc melee weapon

[austere pine]

try this one and use it with push attacks for hordes

like you would a knife for example, or an antax

[frank basin]

i have antax

what's general melee weapon kit?

[austere pine]

yeah play the chain axe mk4 like an antax

[frank basin]

like attack & push attack?

[austere pine]

well, not even

just push attacks

push attack into heavy. i lied with the antax

[frank basin]

i confused

[austere pine]

this thing saws anything on lights meaning you need to push attack or heavy to deal with hordes

[steep flower]

Push att - Heavy att - repeat

[austere pine]

papa willy got me onto it and i really liked it

usable very well in havoc 40, too, from what i saw

[stuck tree]

hell

[frank basin]

and devil claw kit?

[steep flower]

Heavy att - Heavy att - repeat if you have enough room

[austere pine]

and the cc is good due to you pushing things to do anything with the weapon, meaning built-in cc

[frank basin]

hes using mk4 so i think just light light

[austere pine]

the other one does only lights

[steep flower]

No; light att are overheads on mk4 chainsword

[frank basin]

dc*

not cs*

sorry

[austere pine]

are we all high?

ca

chaxe

[frank basin]

not chsw*

[austere pine]

i do not know what you mean by "general melee weapon kit"

[frank basin]

like basic

[austere pine]

or by devil claw kit

[frank basin]

oh well i think is different weapon

[austere pine]

so i posted what's on the holy text

what.

[steep flower]

every melee has its own moveset, some atts are shared between marks and even weapon types; to avoid confusion type the weapon type & its mark

[inner iris]

does the efficiency blessing only apply to the first shot?

[frank basin]

😭 he pick lacerate on the knife

[surreal gust]

Wow that blessing is terrible

[frank basin]

as rebless

[inner iris]

so this is pretty bad then

[austere pine]

lasagna pizza, who is this he you speak of

[austere pine]

yuh

especially considering there's shock trooper right there in the tree next to what you'd be taking anyway

(precision strikes into more ammo, shock trooper is right after)

[inner iris]

speaking of precision strikes

does the buff only apply as long as you still have stamina?

[austere pine]

crits happen often enough to have such a good ammo efficiency on any lasgun that efficiency just doesn't ever come into mind

precision strikes?

the +30% weak spot damage?

or whatever it is?

applies always to whatever you're using that can hit weakspots (melee and ranged in our case as veteran, grenades can't)

if you mean deadshot, however, yes, only applies when you have stamina

[steep flower]

good solid blessing for knife

[austere pine]

lacerate is the crit one?

[steep flower]

no; 4 bleed stacks on body hit

[austere pine]

YUCK DUDE

lemme just miss my highest damage possibility so i can apply 4 bleed stacks

[steep flower]

wdym? It is great for clearing hordes

very consistent

[austere pine]

okay if we're looking for ways to clear hordes with the knife, it's different

[steep flower]

and if you can close in and slash the boss 4 times you apply 16 bleeds; it melts nicely

[austere pine]

it's not a weapon i'd opt for to fill out the horde clear spot in my build but sure, i'll let it pass if that's what we're looking for

do you run mercy killer with it, then?

[steep flower]

helps knife which has no crowd control (i mean pushes & stopping the horde from smacking ya)

[austere pine]

because i otherwise don't see how it's better than a regular setup for knife for bosses

[steep flower]

I run uncanny; i use knife primarily for mobility on heavy ranged builds and bleed helps clear things out; uncanny amplifies that againts heavier targets

[austere pine]

and this is for vet?

[steep flower]

and psiker yes

[austere pine]

because zealot has 0 reason to ever run lacerate

[calm shard]

Uncanny+Precog is the usual knife setup for if you actually use the weapon

[steep flower]

obviously LMAO

[austere pine]

eh, could also argue for psyker using FT instead

but i would probably much preffer uncanny, mercy killer with serrated blade talent if i wanted that bleed

[steep flower]

not on trauma build; you just use trauma againts everything exept a boss

[calm shard]

Using Lacerate is effectively just admitting you don't want to use the knife, but you rely too much on the mobility to use psword/hsword instead

[austere pine]

yeah effectively

i put on the knife on a bolter build and ended up using the knife for the majority of the match

[hollow ibex]

mk 3 memes

[steep flower]

why would i ever want to pull a knife when i have a trauma staff

[austere pine]

why would i pull out a melee if i'm running trauma

[broken spade]

using lacerate is admitting you don't believe enough in the emperor to give you crits for flesh tearer

[steep flower]

moving around

[austere pine]

except for movement, at which point running sprint eff + stam and any blessings is the proper way to play knife

[steep flower]

or being focused by a boss to have a block

[austere pine]

yeah, sprint eff + stam +any blessings

[steep flower]

i run block instead of sprint purely for defence & revives if i have to

[austere pine]

do you run uh

[calm shard]

you have a fuckin' trauma staff and are still so paranoid that you use block for revives

[austere pine]

the block talent for psy?

[steep flower]

sprint is nice but when you learn to micromanage your stamina you don't need it

[steep flower]

no; the perk for knife cause it has no stamina

[steep flower]

sometimes you just gotta rush in after thining out the croud and that 20% block eff will help

[austere pine]

you most likely have it mathed out better but if intending to use the melee weapon for blocking and moving around on psyker, my math is telling me to get the block talent and run knife for full speed

[calm shard]

you have a trauma staff

why not use a fully charged blast immediately before reviving them

[steep flower]

i just meant it lol; does not mean it won't help if trauma will stagger some but not other enemies that might target me like a rager

[stuck tree]

stealthy vet build with stamina curio go zoom

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-shane-turning-the-walking-dead-rick-and-shane-gif-27330910

https://tenor.com/view/shane-stare-twd-shane-shane-twd-disgusted-gif-3955882274384139874

[frank basin]

psyker wandering off
team wipes

oh mah gah why everytime

[steady crest]

lacerate is consistency that you know you will always kill a gunner with X lights attacks and can guaranteed get 3 stacks of scourge asap, its not as bad as people make it to be lol
Its not like people have 90% weakspot rate XD

[frank basin]

i guess so, +4 stack bleed on horde with mk6 knife good for horde?

[stuck tree]

https://tenor.com/view/knife-cat-cat-knife-cat-knife-cat-angry-gif-9404759922388476738

[steep flower]

thats what i use

[frank basin]

yeah i use on my zealot

not with lacerate

[steep flower]

lacy is nice for book stacking

[frank basin]

just uncanny and... i forgot

[frank basin]

i means scourge is already there

is top early nodes

[steep flower]

cause you stack scourge instantly

[frank basin]

it is really?

[steep flower]

i mean; read what scourge does

[frank basin]

i think it means 3 hit to stack 3 time

so yeah instantly i guess

[steep flower]

yes

[steep flower]

yes

[trim badger]

My biggest eek is that it needs non weak spot hits to trigger

I always aim for headshots with knife...

[steep flower]

with any weapon really unless its not a great weapon againts carapace and you're fighting a mauler

then body... unless dmg againts cara + weakspot will do better

[trim badger]

My knife uses uncanny + flesh tearer so yea

I'm aiming for them headshots 100% of the time

[calm shard]

If you don't have 90% weakspot rate with melee.

Why are you using the knife????

[tropic notch]

This

I love mk and uncanny

I’ve been debating besides uncanny what’s another good blessing in the knife?

I know vet basically has built in riposte

So precoc?

[faint beacon]

Riposte Precog

[tropic notch]

What da hell

No uncanny?

[faint beacon]

Mercy Killer if you take serrated blade talent

[tropic notch]

Well yeah

[faint beacon]

I mean Tbf we have 10% static rending

[tropic notch]

True

[trim badger]

My issue with Mercy Killer is that unless I have serrated blade is kind of bleh

[tropic notch]

Yeah I’m trying to stay away from it

[trim badger]

Uncanny + flesh tearer is a good middle ground for being able to deal with all types of enemies

But not really shine at anything

[tropic notch]

I’m torn between uncanny precog or uncanny riposte

Or go with what gale said

[frank basin]

you gonna listen the shark? you're being a bait rn

[tame lodge]

Me with the underated executor blessing (you'll drop all stacks if you hit bodies)

(it feels bad)

[tropic notch]

[faint beacon]

Are you sure?

[frank basin]

my friend i think is skill issue something, i keep guiding him about essenstial block, push, push attack. I even told him push and back pedal dodge the poxburster but he keep get himself blast off from burster

he said he didn't see that coming

and i have to call out on vc to watch his back, enemies, and barrels

vice versa

shit like he got caught by net or dog he call me out to help him i know, buddy, im coming just i need you be more situational awareness

there's lot things i have to tell him about game mechanics

he's like devil claw because parry special

because he got used to space marine 2 thing

[tropic notch]

All I needed to hear

[frank basin]

IS THAT WHY HE WANT DEVIL CLAW BECAUSE THE PARRY? HE SHIT SAID SPACE MARINE 2 BETTER WITH HYBRID COMBAT

[tropic notch]

But uhhh really it sounds like trial by fire

[frank basin]

by compare darktide he said "just shoot with knives"

[broken spade]

too bad devils claw sucks

getting buffed soon though

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-red-red-cat-evil-cat-normal-cat-gif-7123425318368299957

[frank basin]

i told him rashad combat axe is cc weapon hes like nah

i get his new to the game that last 5 day ago level 10

[faint beacon]

Too bad it’s not a buff it actually needs

[frank basin]

his stats rashad suck

now's a level 23

7 more to go

his talent pathing is alright, i guide him which best suitable nodes

[wild vortex]

Expecting someone 5 days old in the game to reliably push bursters and dodge trappers is a bit wild

[tropic notch]

Leave my devils claw alone!

[broken spade]

ngl i have too much ptsd from seeing your builds to take this seriously

[frank basin]

sorry i means 3 day ago

he start march 17

climb level rank up to 23

need me to carry him

even try guide him mehcanic and gameplay

i got other friend more comprehendsion asking question about weapon stats and upgrading

[trim badger]

Just shoot with big sword aka space marines 2

[wild vortex]

Should have just let him reach 30 on his own, it's basically tutorial

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e78b546-9eeb-4702-83d8-bd50ff0ebc55/knife-vet-no-mk @faint beacon how would you rate this

[frank basin]

me and him play from malice since his level 18 to 23 heresy

[trim badger]

Pushing bursters should be considered easy tho...

[frank basin]

i even give him taste of malice Hi-stg

but it was bad roll, there's level 30 psyker shit at it

[wild vortex]

Sure, but 5 day old player? Not happening for 90% of them.

[frank basin]

i don't think he can play on himself because he want play with friend

[wild vortex]

Play non auric damns and you see players drop to bursters all the damn time

[trim badger]

I'd say 5 days is good enough to the very least understand how and perform it for the most part

Unless high distractions

[frank basin]

guys is not 5 day old

is 3 day old

[wild vortex]

You severely overestimate the average player

[broken spade]

they're not even level 30 yet

[wild vortex]

[frank basin]

i said 3 days

[trim badger]

Damn

[tropic notch]

The average player can’t clutch

All they know is play malice and die

[frank basin]

i hate the communion mission like i manage destroy the stimm tank when all my team got wipes then i got down while the game monologuing shit etc.

[broken spade]

3 days could mean 3 hours or 18 hours depending on if they have a life

[frank basin]

he play 18.3 hour total

only veteran

[wild vortex]

I don't think FS has ever shared stats but I would not be shocked to be told that 50-70% of the active playerbase lives in Malice and Heresy.

[trim badger]

This would actually shock me

[wild vortex]

Maybe playtesters would know

[broken spade]

it wouldn't surprise me

[tropic notch]

I play Hersey to warm up lol

[frank basin]

damnation is my breakfast

[broken spade]

this server over represents the tryhards who care too much about this game

[tropic notch]

Then it’s off to auric male

[dawn garnet]

i just play auric damn

[wild vortex]

You just need to stop by the Darktide Reddit or steam forums to understand how the average player thinks, and then nothing will shock you

Everything will make perfect sense

[frank basin]

he ask me should we do mael non-auric i told him he wouldn't last the bullshit in the game

[trim badger]

Damn

And I got bored of Damnation before the 50 hours mark wa

[frank basin]

hai shork

[dawn garnet]

hi

[trim badger]

I guess playing competitive L4D2 gave me a big advantage huh

[frank basin]

let me grab image what his pathing talent is like; he only play what comfortable for him

[trim badger]

Oh god

[wild vortex]

Are you about to blast us into the warp with your heretical pathing again

[frank basin]

i gave him suggestion good node

but he went what he like

[frank basin]

this is level 20 path before he hit 23*

[broken spade]

what did you tell him to take instead?

[trim badger]

The double early tree makes me cry

Everything else is understandable from a newbie

[wild vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/ban-hammer-yoshi-mario-discord-gif-12444703281338986867

[faint beacon]

I’ll be honest drop CK pathing and Close order as well as on your toes for Agile Engagement

[frank basin]

say like he ask like "should i take iron will, or middle toughness regen for team idk, demo team" i told him grab iron will

i can't force him take what good or bad he just want for himself

i even told him serrated only for specific melee build

he said his build is for generalist

first his weapon lasgun to revolver to bolpistol, back to lasgun then his favorite helbore

he said lasgun seem doesn't need aim down you just hip firing it.

[frank basin]

oh right he swap from field Improv to demo stockpile when he hit 23 realizing that one is suck in term no crate stuff spawn much of it.

[sharp epoch]

Also yeah the stats showing the most played class is vet, but if it's only factoring in damnation+ it'd probably be zealot

[wild vortex]

Yeah I'd believe that

Psyker close 2nd probably

[sharp epoch]

Zealot, psyker, veteran, ogryn from my experience

same for havoc except zealot is like double the pickrate of other classes

[frank basin]

i think is why zealot use chorus for havoc

is most

[tame lodge]

Annoying ass corruption? Just say nah
Bacon still winning

🗣️

[sharp epoch]

It's one of the safest picks, bubble won't protect you from all the melee elites swarming you

also yeah their team passives are really gamechanging

15% toughness resist for free or corruption cleansing yes

[grand perch]

we doing bad builds? one friend of mine came prepared for havoc 40 with this once

[calm shard]

okay out of all the horrible decisions here

[surreal gust]

My eyes

[calm shard]

why the fuck did they willingly path to get opening salvo

[tame lodge]

💀

[calm shard]

spending 2 skill points for 10% crit on only some of their ranged weapons shots

instead of taking reciprocity which is RIGHT THERE for 25% on everything

camouflage and tunnel vision on MF

[broken spade]

holy shit they skipped reciprocity for this

[calm shard]

no red nodes

no TDR

THEY DO NOT

HAVE ANY TOUGHNESS TALENTS

[broken spade]

tac awareness

iron will

gone

[calm shard]

bro look up

they don't even have out for blood

[broken spade]

wtf they pathed around it

[calm shard]

they don't have any toughness regen, damage reduction, replenishment

n o t h i n g

[broken spade]

dodging every good node in the game

[grand perch]

gun was revolver + knife if i remember correctly

[broken spade]

at least they grabbed weakspot damage

[calm shard]

revolver?

why the hell did they take shock trooper with revolver???

[tropic notch]

Yeah I figured it was too good to not use

[grand perch]

oh yeah, he went recon at first, thats it

[broken spade]

they had the secret laser revolver mark

[grand perch]

revolver came later

[faint beacon]

You may as well pick it up if you’re using like 3 points for float

[tropic notch]

[calm shard]

They went recon with nearly 0 crit chance????

[tropic notch]

The toughness vet

[broken spade]

they're either new and clicked randomly or intentionally making the worst build they can think of

[grand perch]

nah he was sincere

i really had to hold my tongue since he does not take criticism at all sometimes, and it was one of those days

[broken spade]

i genuinely can't comprehend the thought process

0 toughness gain nodes

how did the game go?

[grand perch]

i only remember it didnt go great

[orchid hemlock]

420 Deez nutts

[hollow ibex]

good builsd are a crutch

[broken spade]

i think using that build could be considered a challenge run

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-monkey-gif-4248943337539234757

[gilded raft]

Real veterans don't use builds. Go into h40 raw

Stats are a crutch. Using weapons is OP

[tame lodge]

Knife punch only (no heavies for movement) h40

[grand perch]

i have been shot at by a phantom

maybe the have stealth vets now

[iron marten]

Seeing you start the video with 0 toughness is already making me sweat

[calm shard]

he's literally right there

you can see him run out into the open just before you shoot the tox bomber

and you don't see him under your guns sight

right here

[grand perch]

OH YEAH

sneaky cvnt

[fervent quest]

Which autogun is best for Onslaught? Infantry or Braced? And which mark between those

[calm shard]

Vraks infantry autogun

by miles too mind you

next best would be Graia braced and it's not even close

[fervent quest]

That's the blue one yeah? When I look up material about the guns it seems the names go back and forth, I guess they were changed at some point

[tame lodge]

Yeah
Old Columnus was renamed to Vraks

[uncut pebble]

No, next best is agripinaa.

[fervent quest]

Ideal perks and blessings?

[uncut pebble]

Vraks has the advantage of being the boss melter and dps king, agripinaa has the advantage of being able to oneshot shooter chaff with the right setup.

Columnus (old Graia) is like krourk twin linked stubber.

It's the middle child that nobody pays attention to.

[fervent quest]

Ah, gotcha. It also bothers me how the names aren't consistent within archetype. Like for twin linked stubber the Achlys is the fast and light one, but for the heavy stubber the Achlys is the slow and powerful one

[fervent quest]

Initial inclination is Deathspitterh+Dumdum with Flak/Maniac but the blessing interactions are full of surprises so idk

[fluid shadow]

Is there any REAL difference between the Mk VI and Mk III power sword?

[calm shard]

they have different movesets

Realistically the MK VI is just better

[fluid shadow]

I figured, the strikes are more handy for headshotting when power cycler is active

Otherwise i end up missing 90% of the time with the slashing pattern of the Mk III

[calm shard]

push attack into light also instakills crushers/maulers

[fluid shadow]

Besides PCIV which other blessing do i pair with it (and perks)

[calm shard]

brutal momentum for better killing of elites and small hordes, or sunder for safer crowd clear with heavies

[fluid shadow]

Probably gonna use BM just so i can interrupt everything as much as possible to avoid getting smacked by the little shidders

[calm shard]

that's what sunder is good at

Sunder makes power sword heavies hit the cleave cap

so it hits literally everything in front of you

and staggers all of them

BM will kill more things per swing but won't hit as many

[fluid shadow]

Heard

[tall torrent]

What cleave cap

[calm shard]

is there not one?

I thought there was a maximum possible cleave weapons can have per swing

[austere mica]

There is

It’s 120 targets

Or 128

But sunder is only 4x right

[calm shard]

200% ontop of already being power sword

[frank ether]

sudoku

[frank basin]

I dislike how shotgun never got loved but only double barrel

Like autopistol nerf got trashed away like Andy found woody toy is broken

[uncut pebble]

Combat shotguns will get their time in the limelight, just you wait.

[arctic rampart]

push attack on mk6. mk6 has better breakpoints, including push attack w/ crushers. mk3 I think has better heavies I like it for horde smashing

[tropic notch]

What about the knife

[wind grotto]

yeah just you wait in 3 months maybe they'll remember they shafted vet on a weapon, and who knows maybe they'll even update the shotguns

[tall torrent]

lacking stam regen delay node for knife
3/10

[void dragon]

What's the strengths of each heavy blade mk?

[tropic notch]

He hates toughness vet

[tall torrent]

u didn't even toughness max

lol

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent does agile engagement even hit any bp with d barrel?

[tropic notch]

It’s it because I’m missing 5 toughness on curios?

[tall torrent]

not that I remember
but it's nice

@tropic notch u said u wanted to play with me?

[tropic notch]

I did I crashed asleep when I got home

[tall torrent]

when do u wanna play then

[tropic notch]

And what do I use on the knife when I’m not using serrated?

[tropic notch]

I can after I pig out

Getting my slop

[tall torrent]

mk3
uncanny + lacerate/riposte

mk6
uncanny + flesh tearer/riposte

this is for veteran

[tropic notch]

Tasty

Not uncanny and precog?

[tall torrent]

precog has some value but application is limited

[tropic notch]

I figured

I bet more crit would give you better dps anyway

[hollow axle]

What is better for Psword ? Sunder or Brutal Momentum ?

[tropic notch]

For mk 3 sunder

For mk 6 bm

[tall torrent]

depends on what ur looking for

[tropic notch]

@hollow axle also dump cleave targets

[hollow axle]

Clutch

[tropic notch]

My slop is here

[tall torrent]

not a power sword

[hollow axle]

What then ?

[tropic notch]

Mk 6 pc and bm

[tall torrent]

power sword runs into some issues with clutching

[tropic notch]

But it’s hard to clutch with one

Yeah

[tall torrent]

mainly dodge

[tropic notch]

Real

[hollow axle]

What melee weapon do you suggest ?

[tropic notch]

Even with ws it’s hard

[tall torrent]

if u get pressure from multiple sides especially with 1 boss up, like a chaos spawn

power sword is super cancer to play

[tall torrent]

axe

[hollow axle]

But the horde clear of the axe is not terrible ?

[tropic notch]

For clutching, knife, tac axe, caxe, ds, hsword, dc, anything with good dodges

[tall torrent]

who told u combat axe has bad horde clear

[hollow axle]

(And what is Helbore blessings, perks and dump stat ?)

[tropic notch]

Not with bm

[tall torrent]

which variant

[hollow axle]

That was a pain to level up to 20 mastery but maybe blessing is changing everything ?

[tropic notch]

Bm and headtaker my beloved

[hollow axle]

I ... dont know. What is the best ?

[tall torrent]

brutal momentum

[tall torrent]

really up to preference

[hollow axle]

I'll try the axe then !

BM and ? (And what perks ?)

[tropic notch]

Headtaker

[tall torrent]

unarmored/elite
carapace
brutal momentum
headtaker

u need trench fighter drill on bottom right side

[tropic notch]

Unarmored?

Ws caxe is so good

[tall torrent]

and probably weapon specialist too (not required, but helps a lot)

[tropic notch]

Why unarmored? Why not unyielding

[void dragon]

Didn't they says FS will make so PS active doesn't deactivate on enemy hit? Would that make it better?

[calm shard]

one shot scab bruisers

[tropic notch]

Yeah it definitely would

[tall torrent]

unyielding doesn't change it too much in terms of breakpoints

[hollow axle]

Thanks ! And for the Helbore (trying to have lvl 20 mastery) what the variants do ?

[tropic notch]

I thought it already did

[tall torrent]

would be a lot better
still would be cancer to play vs super aggressive enemies that u can't stagger/kill quickly

power sword runs into 2 problems

u either run BM and get worse safety than rashad

or u run sunder and get better safety, but with quite a bit worse clear than rashad

there's a dilemma here since u only can take 1

[calm shard]

MKV is the super fast charge one that's basically the infantry lasgun with a different blessing pool
MKIIIA is the middle child that gets pretty great breakpoints into everything but carapace
MKIV is the slow one that does great damage into every health type in the game but is super annoying to use until you get used to it

MKV and IIIA have a good bayonet, and the MKIV has better sights but a worse bayonet

[tall torrent]

the other issue of power sword is like

[hollow axle]

OK I feel like playing sniper like !

[tall torrent]

if u cannot stagger/kill smth super quickly

u can run into problems

[hollow axle]

What are the blessing, dump stat and perk for the Helbore MK IV ?

[tall torrent]

because of the low dodge profile

[calm shard]

depends on the mark for blessing/perks, but they all dump stability

[tall torrent]

it has a lot of dmg potential (highest of any non-ogryn melee)

with pretty insane breakpoints

[void dragon]

Yeah, it can kill a lot of stuff, but in waves of many enemies it can have issues I feel

[tall torrent]

I'm not sure if N&V change will have it keep its charge if u get guard broken

[hollow axle]

Stability is not needed for a long range weapon ?

[tall torrent]

if it does, prob a lot better

[tall torrent]

stability doesn't matter much for helbore specifically

[calm shard]

It's more that out of all the helbores stats stability is the only one that doesn't affect damage

And helbores are pretty stable to begin with even with 60

[hollow axle]

This is good for blessing and perks ?

[calm shard]

I would do carapace/unyielding myself but I'm using a bit of a meme build that take almost every ranged damage possible to one shot crushers

[tall torrent]

carapace over unyielding for mk IV

[calm shard]

but yeah cara over unyielding like veteran steam guide said

the guy making the steam guide knows the veteran weapons well

shocker

[hollow axle]

Thanks and blessing are good ?

[tall torrent]

for IV, yea

helbore is pretty limiting in builds tho

very point hungry

u don't get many melee choices

[calm shard]

Hey at least Helbore is so ammo efficient and good into armor that I can justify using Heavy Sword with it

Don't get to take that thing out for a whirl every day

[hollow axle]

This is only for the mastery dont worry !

[arctic rampart]

Before he knew it, Ludwig became a hellbore main. He next spent $50 to acquire all the Krieg skins. Today he lives a comfortable life in an asylum as a toilet servitor.

[void dragon]

Biggest fumble ever, krieg that didn't managed to die for the Emperor

[hollow axle]

When do you use charged shots and normal shot for helbore IV ?

[lusty ether]

I dunno what's optimal

but the habit I tend to get into with it

is if I'm popping ranged or specialists

is more or less to just hold for the time it takes me to aim between each enemy

pop, hold, aim, pop, hold, aim, pop

[calm shard]

normal shots only one shot basic shooters on headshot

MK IV has the largest damage difference between charged shots and normal shots which is what makes it hard to use

Takes about ~1/3 to 1/2 charge to one shot headshot most elites and specials depending on which one it is

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/csgo-hvh-cs-go-cheating-aimware-onetap-gif-14535458

[uncut pebble]

This is me but with an ilas.

Cannot stand helbores.

[trim badger]

I LOVE VET KNIFE WRAAAAAAAA

[queen roost]

What is the best meta build for veteran?

[violet drift]

oh my

[tame lodge]

Melee

[queen roost]

Which weapon?

[tall torrent]

combat axe III
power sword VI
duelling sword IV
combat blade VI

they all do smth different, none is perfect

[trim badger]

a lot of people will say to change get back in the fight for catch a break but I really do prefeer get back in the fight

plasma + duelling sword as well

I do use knife cuz it's more spicy to me

[tall torrent]

I'm debating if I wanna put sprint cancel as an actual step for melee weapons' combo

[tame lodge]

I mean

[queen roost]

See I tied plasma rifle and felt the rate of fire was too slow

[tame lodge]

Is it necessary?

BC should be enough no?

[queen roost]

For ranged I have a Vraks autogun

[trim badger]

that's tied to the charge rate stat of the plasma
with a little bit tied on the thermal resistance to be able to fire more shots before needing to stop

[tall torrent]

it boosts rashad rager dps from 1850 ish to >2k (assuming both atk speed bonuses active)

so at least an 8% increase

[queen roost]

How does that work exactly?

[tall torrent]

charge rate affects both firing modes' prefire delay

[trim badger]

well the higher the charge rate, the less time it takes from your click to the weapon actually firing

and the higher the thermal resistance, the less heat it generates each shot

[queen roost]

Ok that makes sense now

[trim badger]

if you want the "perfect" roll plasma, you'll need 69 thermal resistance and 71 charge rate

everything else on 80

(I think it can also be 68 72 but I don't member now)

[trim badger]

Knife good...

[stoic thorn]

It can

My plasma does

68/72 still can fire 8 shots

[tall torrent]

just checked, no

not close

sprint cancel L3 into L1 for rashad is flat out 10% better dps lol

block cancel L3 into L1 is the same as just not cancelling at all

unless some macro going on

[tame lodge]

💀

Tf is wrong with Rashad

[tall torrent]

it applies to Antax too

[knotty iron]

Any tips for over watch and focus fire penances?

[pallid jetty]

what are these

if overwatch is to not get melee damage - get gud

if focus fire is getting headshots with stacks of keystone - just take autogun and shoot hordes

[formal ice]

Both is get good

[trim steppe]

On Overwatch, take the shout ability for the aoe "gtf away from me" button and gold toughness. As long as you dont take hp damage from the attack it doesn't count as getting hit, and you take 0 hp damage when you have gold toughness. Just move carefully and keep your back to walls but AWAY from spawn doors. Whenever you hear the backstab sound queue you gotta dodge or block

[pallid jetty]

oh yeah i always forget that they added more abilites

[sharp epoch]

a

[pallid jetty]

shout is op for on overwatch

ez mode

i did it on beta

[trim steppe]

Yeah twas a bit harder back in the day

[iron marten]

Back in the day, I just used all my ammo and left 1 bullet and alt f4d lol

[pallid jetty]

shame on you

cheeser

cheater

[iron marten]

Think the funniest one was the Zealot Heresy penance

Me and a Friend died in like 15 mins, but we were on like 1 wound since minute 3 and it counted lol

[normal sparrow]

Might as well note qq cancel as interchangeable wirh sprint no?

[tall torrent]

it's slower unless u macro

at the very least I couldn't get qq cancel to be nearly as fast as sprint cancel for it

[normal sparrow]

It works better for me using scroll wheel

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-smile-point-laughing-look-at-this-guy-gif-16682774

this fucking asshole lol

that was such a massive issue to deal with because for a long time there would be no join in progress

[stuck tree]

waw

[iron marten]

Hey now, I did it at the end when there were no enemies!

[iron marten]

Understandable

[formal ice]

Ruben sounds like to be on the right

[grand perch]

It's an opportunity to improve my game, mastering this

[lone mesa]

I thouught it was 69 charge 71 thermal? I can never remember because i haven't even found 1 yet

[normal bay]

@tired egret

[lone mesa]

rgr rgr

the vet talent that makes med kits heal corruption isn't working 4 me, ive seen it work for others though. Is there a known fix?

[smoky sparrow]

it does not heal corrupted wounds

only up to the next wound

[lone mesa]

ah thats so dumb

[analog mural]

I mean, it's an intended balance decision. It should be stated in the talent though

[manic panther]

people who don't take field improv, hate helping teammates

[smoky sparrow]

guilty as charged

[manic panther]

i always take it, i love my grenade spam

[steep flower]

Mah man understands

[lone mesa]

Well the grenade regen perk just seems way more useful now, even though i just have smokes

[manic panther]

i mostly use it so i can spam grenades, the ammo is just a nice extra

[pseudo fiber]

I prefer pathing to demo team

[manic panther]

why not both?

[steep flower]

I was about to say that

[lone mesa]

i think we need grenade launchers

[steep flower]

[manic panther]

i love a good grenadier build on vet

with the cowboy revolver aswell

[stuck tree]

explosives

[lone mesa]

isnt that a storm trooper staple? And storm troops are vets

[stuck tree]

!!!

[lone mesa]

itd either be too op or nerfed so bad itd be extremely niche though, but i love grenade launchers in general lol

[dense tartan]

I hate the delay from trigger pull on the plasma gun to the firing.

[lone mesa]

yeah it makes the gun unusable for me

just another example of the grenade launcher problem. They tend to nerf what should be the most OP stuff quite significantly

[old prism]

How did you know I hate my teammates

If they die I get to do a havoc 40 true solo, win win

[manic panther]

common knowledge

[calm shard]

I am not spending a skill point on something that is only maybe going to be useful 4 times a game

If we find every crate

And actually use all 4 of them

At times when we need them, and at times when field improv would make a difference

[manic panther]

it's goated imo

[calm shard]

It's extremely situational is what it is

[manic panther]

i live for those moments

[old prism]

Infinite grenades with an ammo crate is pretty darn useful when needed, but honestly you are right. It is situational, and it’s value which would normally shine in havoc 40 is kneecapped by every zealot running corruption aura, which makes field improved medkit just a basic medkit which heals twice as fast, meh

Infinite grenades are pure adrenaline tho

[manic panther]

mmmmm

[old prism]

Especially oggy with frag bömb

[manic panther]

agreed

especially when ögryn with bomba

ESPECIALLY when they hold 3 nukes at once

i love seeing 15 nukes go off in a row

[old prism]

I yearn for enhanced blitz maelstroms bro

[manic panther]

it is the best type of maelstorm

[old prism]

There is a clip of us nuking the fuck outta a demonhost with 3 oggys just chucking fuck you amounts of frags at the thing

It is damn glorious

[manic panther]

oh my~

i need that in my life

[old prism]

I suggest doing it at least once

It’s therapeutic

[calm shard]

Oh but it doesn't JUST heal twice as fast

It has 200 extra healing per drop too

[old prism]

That aint true, no?

It should still be 500

[stuck tree]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-cat-meme-gagged-gag-gif-5110955762935200988

[old prism]

I proofred this guide so I know it’s legit

That just is misinformation I think

[steep flower]

That increase in heal rate saves when it needs to

[old prism]

True, but for me the moment it would save a run happens once in every 25 games

[tender rose]

https://tenor.com/view/ahoklollmao-angry-cat-angry-black-cat-angry-black-cat-gif-8431628872897666919

[old prism]

Regular medkit is generally enough

It does save runs with no zealot aura and lotsa corruptiont ho

[steep flower]

Its still good

[old prism]

Situational imo, good but not worth it if teammates aint fully shit

[steep flower]

Shit happens tho and being able to have 4 extra shredders on top of increased heal rate in a situation where ppl might need that quick upsie; it can save games and imo not running field improv is a mistake

[stuck tree]

shredders go boom

=

yummy damage

[calm shard]

Is there really a situation in the game that you need more than 4 shredders though

Is that something that happens

If you're already out of them I guess

[noble epoch]

Yes

[steep flower]

It does happen

Even to the best of us

[wild vortex]

Boss + captain + horde spawn, throw ALL the grenades

[noble epoch]

A lot on auric maelstorm and havoc

[stuck tree]

indeed

[steep flower]

Its another ‚safety net’, ‚bullshit prevention’; whatever you wanna call it

[noble epoch]

It can get so bad with certain modifiers that if you stop throwing them you’re cooked

[steep flower]

And if you have an oggy with frag or hell even box you generate soo much CC you can get out of hopeless situations

[stuck tree]

it saved my runs so many times

[noble epoch]

Oh wait is this about the field improvisation

Cause for vet alone at some point demo team is plainly better

At a certain difficulty

Cause there’s so much spawning you have infinite

So field improv is good just with most higher difficulty matches especially with a premade it gets overshadowed/made useless

[steep flower]

Field improv is not just for you; its for the entire team - remember; you’re playing a team based shooter with 3 other players

[unreal nova]

Or nudging the oggy to boom and take.

[stuck tree]

go boom boom?

[unreal nova]

BEEG BOOM×3.

[stuck tree]

https://tenor.com/view/homework-thinking-writing-spongebob-gif-5121344

[unreal nova]

Cos if I take is usually if trying to clutch or we leaving and nobody needs it.

[manic panther]

hear me out though

both.

[unreal nova]

Or is 3 staffkers.

[manic panther]

trauma is all you need

2 traumas and hordes don't exist

3 traumas and no enemies exist

4 traumas is unheard of

folklore if you will

[unreal nova]

Mostly cos I'm ze vet.

[old prism]

Smite is all you need

[manic panther]

4 smites is all you need for a lunch break

[old prism]

1 Smite and nothing moves
2 Smites and you can’t see shit
3 Smites and I’m quitting the game
4 Smites if you can’t beat them, join them

[manic panther]

[unreal nova]

4 smites,2 bubbles. Question what is going on.

[old prism]

And 2 venting shrieks. When everything is a tint of blue

[manic panther]

myself i prefers 4 smites, 4 bubbles and 4 traumas

[old prism]

• blight spreads

[manic panther]

ooooo

[trim badger]

They need to put themselves by their bootstraps

Equips knife and zooms around

[unreal nova]

Pifft. I have it (Field Improv and knoife.). Flips knoife.

[trim badger]

Field improv is kind of a waste IMO

Just personal opinion

[manic panther]

your personal opinion has been deemed invalid

[trim badger]

Damn

[balmy flume]

My gripe with Field Improv (IIRC that is the one that upgrades ammo and med boxes)

Is that you have to carry and deploy the thing as vet

Not anyone on the team, but you specifically

[manic panther]

that would be a nice change honestly

[balmy flume]

You can only carry one box at a time, and even then, for various reasons you may not be the most optimal person to deploy it

[umbral scaffold]

Oh man that's useless

That's why no one takes it

[balmy flume]

And in PUGs you have to count on goodwill if other players picked it up for them to pass it to you

[analog mural]

actually thats wrong

it upgrades the boxes for everyone

[umbral scaffold]

Thanks for letting me know that I was using it while leveling up to 30

[balmy flume]

Does it now!?

[analog mural]

always has

[umbral scaffold]

Oh

[balmy flume]

I might need to test this myself, might have been changed since I last tried then

If true, then yea, its a node to consider

[unreal nova]

You don't? It's a global passive. You need to be alive.

[balmy flume]

Huh

[old prism]

Yeah this is not true at all

[unreal nova]

If you in rescue or dead, they drop, it's normal.

[old prism]

As long as the veteran is anywhere inside the game, it will be upgraded

[unreal nova]

If you alive, 50 bajillion miles away and they drop, is upgraded.

[old prism]

But!!!!! That moment between death and respawn, if you drop it during that it won’t work

Your physical veteran body needs to be in the game

[balmy flume]

Huh.
Well then...

[old prism]

What would entice me to pick up field improved would be to have it have more heals

[balmy flume]

I could have sworn it was tied to dropping at one point, but given this info, I ain't complaining then.

[old prism]

%50+ heal charge for example

[balmy flume]

Another node to consider

[old prism]

So it heals for 750 hp instead of 500

[stuck tree]

make sure to give me ammo..

[old prism]

Ogryns eat medkits like candy already, that would be a great buff

[unreal nova]

Also QoL relating to grims.

Like, prevent it from healing grim corruption.

[balmy flume]

Now I would say upgraded med boxes are a must for high end grim runs...

[calm shard]

3 other players all of which either do not have grenades as good as yours, or do not pick up grenades at all

[analog mural]

gotta be careful not to suck too much juice, because the medkit will be continuously consumed by the grim corruption at a certain point

[balmy flume]

But by that point its more a player issue if they are too dumb to not pick stuff up...

I almost always double pick up ammo anyways if teammates insist on not taking the last charge

[unreal nova]

Is why in games with ppl who understand, we put the kit further behind in a grim run.

[unreal nova]

I let everyone else take first. Unless I really need 'nade refill asap for reasons.

[stuck tree]

havoc body piece set done

🥹

[scarlet crescent]

i have 20 left to do

[stuck tree]

i got 23 more for the headpiece

then a clearance 25 for les

[trim badger]

What no this applies to ones even deployed by teammates

[unreal nova]

Also, sorry, that's me on Zealot.

[stuck tree]

sneaky

[unreal nova]

No. I have 314 hp.

[stuck tree]

ah-

[balmy flume]

Yea been corrected by everyone else

[noble epoch]

Only other class with nades in that scenario could be ogryn which is uhhhh

Not as good as the others

[unreal nova]

You never saw a 3x beeg frag save before.

[calm shard]

zealot could have nades too but like fuck are they taking your field improv to throw more stun grenades

[unreal nova]

Flame 'nades is nice for dogs though.

[hollow axle]

I think I hate helbore

How the fuck do you create a long range rifle who is not even precise ?

[calm shard]

It's perfectly precise its sights are just garbage

[noble epoch]

Those are good but at the rate that the enemies spawn they clear out a small place but in just a few seconds those will be taken up again

[hollow axle]

But WHY they did that 😭

This is the WORST range weapon to level up damn

[noble epoch]

Ever heard of the Shredder Auto pistol

[hollow axle]

I leveled up on my Psyker with Assail build

All others shared shitty weapons

[analog mural]

just spend res to level them up

I have 100k plasteel

mastery? more like resource dump I expended on day one of UnL

[unreal nova]

Yeah, but the save is more, boom goes crusher pack.

[noble epoch]

Pretty sure you need like 300k ordo dockets for 1-20 which assuming that you only run like 90k each aurics and one game takes a good 40mins that’s like 2 hours of everything goes perfectly

[analog mural]

oh, another currency I have millions of

[noble epoch]

I don’t

Everything goes into perfect weapons

500, Perfect stats and leveling them up

[stuck tree]

pls more diamante pls

[unreal nova]

Is more if you roll too low on avg.

[noble epoch]

Yeah

[noble epoch]

I have like 500k ordo dockets, 7k plassteel and 61 diamantine

It’s quite wild

[grand perch]

used to be plasteel was the bottleneck

damn kids these days

[winter grove]

Ius Autopistol:

[noble epoch]

I read that as las pistol

And wanted to call you a slur

[winter grove]

:)

[grand perch]

meanwhile people new to helbore

[noble epoch]

Ayy im finally red

[steep flower]

That is so wrong; as long as the vet who has field improv is physically in the game (even when he needs to be rescued) his perk is active and its teamwise so no matter who drops the ammo crate or med crate you get the benefit. The only time field improv is not gonna be active is when vet dies and is on a timer before he spawns in a spot where you can rescue players

[balmy flume]

I swear on release I had to drop it (I recall taking the node, being alive, some other class dropped the ammo crate and I did not get nades at 0 nades), but whatever, might have been updated or patched or something.

[steep flower]

4 shredders is still 4 shredders

[steep flower]

Thats the point; on release; its been long time ago

[balmy flume]

Fair enough

[unreal nova]

WDYM? I'm bottlenecked by dockets lmao.

[calm shard]

all those fuckin' archetypes for mortis trials and not one of them mentions making your guns better

[noble epoch]

„Death Dealer: This Indulgence Archetype specialises in close-quarters shooting and melee.
Quick swapping between weapons and quicker reloads.“

[calm shard]

I wanna shoot shit from not close quarters

I would like to click the bad man from a safe distance

So as to not contract a disease

[noble epoch]

Basically everything is close distance in dt

[noble epoch]

It’s just a training exercise

Not a real mission or disease

:)** **

[frank basin]

my new player friend play helbore with VoC instead

he liked helbore first try after it drop from reward

[unreal nova]

Is taste after all. All the weapons be like that.

[frank basin]

he ask what kind my ability does push enemies thing

so i introduce him this most use ability

two of my friend use VoC

[unreal nova]

I mean, it is the best push.

The only push guaranteed to push boomers and such.

[frank basin]

i told him cast ability before pox burster drop the bomb at you so it negate the damage, but oh well he has skissue. I did told him push and dodge back when theres poxburster, i think i remember he manage did few

[unreal nova]

Not even 85%+ peril vent does it at times.

[unreal nova]

It will knock them back even with some ping lag.

[frank basin]

like it explode near you?

[unreal nova]

No, push them away.

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-darktide-explode-warhammer-40k-gif-7567690485009069789

is more like this

ping lag?

[unreal nova]

No, I play with high ping usually. VoC is the only push I can trust to actually push.

Everything else, even book, is a gamble.

[frank basin]

damn, so you can't push and back dodge?

[unreal nova]

Can try, but burning 10 bars to push on psyker lul.

I don't even have close to that on other classes.

[frank basin]

wydm 10 bar?

[unreal nova]

Stamina bars.

[frank basin]

ah

[unreal nova]

My psyker has 14 stam.

[frank basin]

marathoner

i pick stam regen instead

[unreal nova]

More meme build.

Is a mini slab oggy.

[frank basin]

pair with knetic deflection?

[unreal nova]

Yep.

AFK 2mins DH tank build.

Just hold block.

[frank basin]

you need stamina regen

that keep up time

and block eff

[unreal nova]

You don't, peril blocks based on stam amount.

[frank basin]

i see

[unreal nova]

You want block efficiency.

But stam regen is optional.

Deflector as well.

[noble epoch]

For some reason I get like 300-800 ping on average

It’s ass

[unreal nova]

I know. I play havocs on EU. Spicy lmao.

[frank basin]

forgot the empryic resolve can do the job

[unreal nova]

Take ALL of them.

You can find my DH tank build on Psyker main somewhere. So kapp.

[noble epoch]

That does sound funny

Send

[tropic notch]

Psyker if he was cool