veteran-class

[steep flower]

And i owe you that ice cream

[stuck tree]

durian..

icky

!! but taste good

[unreal nova]

Not season, so fresh is awful rn.

[stuck tree]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-scared-black-cat-cat-run-gif-23323931

[unreal nova]

WDYM icky?

[stuck tree]

is smelly

is smell like a nurgle worshipper

[unreal nova]

Nu, that stinks. Durian is just strong.

[stuck tree]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-cat-shock-cat-itsnotmykla-cecesrhaccc1-gif-6015094870634057654

[vernal trench]

Gay

[unreal nova]

Are you talking about yourself now?

[umbral scaffold]

https://youtu.be/84Gni1gEb-k?feature=shared

When Vet losses his shit after to much inconsistent instructions from teammates

[unreal nova]

Also, offer still stands about the set. You can look it up. Just tell me if you are interested then. Also, add me for 30 days.

[stuck tree]

maybee

you can keep it

[unreal nova]

I literally do not care. That cache is worth nothing and I just don't like it.

[stuck tree]

:V

[unreal nova]

Wat?

[stuck tree]

me dont need it

!

but ty

[unreal nova]

Ah. But is not need, just want.

[stuck tree]

X-X

i mention hoodwink of this..

oh

i confused u

was meant to say Hoodwinked

[unreal nova]

Oh, that.

[stuck tree]

little misunderstanding

[unreal nova]

I thought you meant DOTA2 lul. Hoodwink is a squirrel furry.

[stuck tree]

i forgot to put in the ed

but ive seen a little bit of dota

2

🤫

[unreal nova]

Ah. Is just I had an extra of that one cache and if you played her, you can have it.

[stuck tree]

ahh i see

🍗 🐓 🍗 🐓 🐔

[unreal nova]

This tells me you play Sky.

[stuck tree]

noii

i dont play the game much to know whos sky

[unreal nova]

Skywrath Mage.

[unreal nova]

.-.

Oh boy.

[stuck tree]

i am dum dum

[unreal nova]

Ah well.

[stuck tree]

Indeed

[unreal nova]

Ppl joke about sky being a chicken cos paper nuker. If he doesn't snowball, he's KFC on wings.

Also, the taunt.

And that he rambles the dook on everything. So noisy.

[stuck tree]

Ooo I see

[wild vortex]

anyone running havocs

[red star]

me trying to get krak penance

(this is pain)

[unreal nova]

Ask for mobian 21st havoc 1 to farm.

[grand perch]

for karks sake

1st time i pick up dc sword parry build in weeks - instant streak of smite psykers in every match

JUST LET ME PARRY GODDAMNIT

its like they smell my desire to get hit and get pleasure from denying me

[surreal gust]

Curse of smykers

[grand perch]

im growing desperate

not its 3 of them

[vernal trench]

I hate smykers

[lyric portal]

what to take with the 2 points

precision strikes or better nades?

[tall torrent]

show whole tree

and what weapons

[lyric portal]

plasma + devil claw

i need that damn skill tree compression mod

[tame lodge]

Precision
Always

[lyric portal]

should i drop +1 nade for better nades?

i think yes

[tall torrent]

u need superiority complex/fire team for plasma if u don't have focus target

u also don't need always prepared for plasma

not worth 1 point

exploit weakness is garbage, even if u crit build DC sword

[lyric portal]

oh sure

[tall torrent]

take 25 toughness instead

grenadier prob not needed either

[lyric portal]

took tinkerer instead

lacking one point for superiority complex now

can only drop 25 toughness i think

its auric build so i guess i will do that

[trim badger]

More ammo, precision strikes, superiority complex, remove that 25 toughness from the middle tree and instead pick it from the right tree instead of that node with the shield icon

[lyric portal]

did allat'

[trim badger]

Also I'm surprised by the amount of people I see pick WS plasma but not the modifier that gives you 20% toughness for deploying either weapon

It goes hard

[tall torrent]

it's strong

but

2 point to reach it

on plasma

not worth

neither WS pathing to it matters much for plasma

[lyric portal]

last chance to look at me hector

https://tenor.com/view/last-chance-to-look-at-me-hector-breaking-bad-hector-hector-salamanca-gustavo-fring-gif-26722483

[trim badger]

Had huge success with this with how much I change weaponzzz

[tall torrent]

swap GBITF to catch a breath

this works tho yea

[trim badger]

You told me already this in the past yea

[tall torrent]

do it then

[trim badger]

I tried, I didn't get enough value out of it

[tall torrent]

u wouldn't get enough value out of GBITF either

[broken spade]

i think gbitf has less value than it used to now

[trim badger]

Trust me when I say I do wth how bullshit 200 ping is at times and I get overheaded LOL

[tall torrent]

even if u consider GBITF to actually work in your favor (it doesn't), given havoc's removal of toughness grace, it's still not gonna save u

so it's just 100% abysmal dogshit

irredeemably bad talent

[broken spade]

My justification used to be that if i ever got stunlocked by a gunner/reaper, i could use the stun immunity to escape after they toughness broke me.
They don't stunlock anymore so

stun immunity just has way less value now

[balmy flume]

I think it still helps in Havoc

Since you get far less protections there.

[tall torrent]

nah, no toughness grace, u just get shredded all the same

[tropic notch]

Imagine if gbitf worked without having to break your toughness

[broken spade]

i think you probably died regardless if that happened in havoc

[tropic notch]

If my toughness is broken I’m most likely dead

[tall torrent]

The only case of someone actually getting value out of GBITF I’ve ever seen

Was a veteran that took 2.8k damage in Gloriana

And died 5 times

So surely it didn’t save him

[tropic notch]

The carry

[balmy flume]

Also doesn’t it help getting out of flame bomb fields?

[tall torrent]

Again, no toughness grace in havoc

If GBITF was damage immunity, sure

But it’s not

[tropic notch]

Yeah if your toughness is broken

[balmy flume]

Not the toughness grace, just…not getting stunned by the flames.

But ok fair point.

If toughness has to go for it to kick in…

[tall torrent]

Toughness broken + stuck in fire in havoc = you’re going down buddy

[broken spade]

idk you're usually almost out by the time toughness breaks even in the worst cases

by then you're probably taking like one more tick before getting out regardless

or you're dead

[latent parcel]

@vernal trench loves smite psykers

almost as much as he loves @steep flower

[vernal trench]

No

I hate smykers

And i hate it more when papa is on one

[steep flower]

Cause i don't die & actually perform with smite

[latent parcel]

chonky donkey hating again

[tropic notch]

I wish gbitf worked like twbs

[tropic notch]

Impossible

Just play purg

https://tenor.com/view/on-god-dog-gif-23958656

[steep flower]

Play with me and you'll see

[tropic notch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1288287202249408616/1328580520300249088/speed-2.gif

[hollow axle]

Power Sword seems the best Veteran weapon to deal with high density horde ?

[tall torrent]

Depends

What kind of density

[hollow axle]

Auric Havoc

[tall torrent]

Again, what kind of density

Pure horde

Mixed horde

Carapace

What exactly are u talking about

[remote sonnet]

Power sword is already in auric mael. At H35+ it lags behind some other melee quite a bit.

[grand perch]

not really? still tremendously strong there

[hollow axle]

Mixed horde I guess ?

[tall torrent]

Power sword / combat axe, depending on mixed horde composition

Pure carapace, power sword pulls ahead (sunder)

Pure horde, combat axe pulls ahead

[tropic halo]

2 hit a crusher with Psword never gets old

[hollow axle]

Power sword seems really the better all around

[tropic notch]

The mk 3 with sunder is fun

I’d dump cleave targets

[hollow axle]

Most people us the Mk6 ?

[umbral scaffold]

Talking about swords any heavy sword build worth a try ?

[tropic notch]

Yeah the mk6 is good but for something like havoc I’d do sunder

Other than that definitely mk 6 with bm and pc

[tall torrent]

Mk6 is all round better

[tropic notch]

Real

[tall torrent]

Mk3 has basically no purpose lol

[tropic notch]

That’s true

It’s only redeemable trait is sunder

[tall torrent]

Just run sunder on mk6

[tropic notch]

True

I wish the mk 6 had mk 3 heavies

[tall torrent]

Nah

[unreal nova]

You get a smyker and books.

[dry cloak]

Yes poltergeist

[tropic notch]

Actually yeah I’d just use the mk6 with bm

[vernal trench]

is that its name

oh shit it is

[dry cloak]

Yes

Im stalker nerd

Also fun fuckt

[vernal trench]

i didnt even kill him

the npc soldiers did

i ran way to get to where he was and he was dead cuz a life

lfmao

[hollow axle]

Sunder and ... ? 👀

[dry cloak]

Poltergeist had bodies is shadow of chernobyl but other 2 games in trilogy they just exploded

[vernal trench]

wow

do u play stalker 2 alot

[dry cloak]

I played trilogy 2 and mods

[vernal trench]

perfect pause lmfao

[dry cloak]

I have completed it with true ending

[vernal trench]

damn

i got it a few days ago

its so much fun

[dry cloak]

Poland unfortunately has very orthodoxic stalker community

And they for the most part shat on stalker 2 because its not like the trilogy

Also play trilogy

[vernal trench]

waht that

oh

stalker 2 is so fun tho

[dry cloak]

It is

[vernal trench]

reminds me of dying light 1 and 2

and i played dying light 2 for almsot 500 hours

[dry cloak]

But some people are stuck in 2009 when call.of pripyat came out

Trust me play the trilogy

[vernal trench]

i might but prolly wont

ill probably play stalker 2 for a long ass time

[dry cloak]

Why?

[vernal trench]

i like games with good graphics

if it doesnt have good grapjcis i wont enjoy it

[dry cloak]

Graphics aint everything

Story and gameplay come first

[vernal trench]

yea

but i like graphics too much

thats just me

[dry cloak]

Trilogy is very slav jank

Looks may not be very attractive

But it will clear up some holes in the story for you

And if not you can watch some stalker lore channela

[vernal trench]

im too new to the game for that shit

ill watch ti once i beat it tho

[dry cloak]

Fair

[hollow axle]

And what are the must have range weapon for vet in auric / high havoc ? PLasma gun only ?

[vernal trench]

no

fuck plasma gun

shits for noobs

[hollow axle]

What are true games guns ?

[vernal trench]

u can run literally any weapon aside from the shredder autopistol

[tall torrent]

Plasma / recon

[vernal trench]

@dry cloak lmfao i love how u can stand on soemthing and they just cant hit u

i wish they dropped loot so theres incentive to kill them aside from them being annoying af

[dawn garnet]

why they kinda

[vernal trench]

i aint hearing u out

[dry cloak]

Mutants are too tanky

Install mods

[vernal trench]

na

i like my vanilla gameplay

[hollow axle]

Do you have a preference for melee weapons association ?

[tall torrent]

Axe / power sword

[hollow axle]

For both range weapons ?

[tall torrent]

There’s not much melee variety on veteran

[hollow axle]

😭

[vernal trench]

knife dueling sword powersword shovel combat axe

thats it

[tall torrent]

Combat axe III
Power sword VI
Duelling sword IV
Combat blade VI

Heavy sword IX is ok but has no carapace damage

But that’s it

[hollow axle]

Plasma gun is a more safe choice if you dont if your team can deal with menaces ? ù

[tall torrent]

No

Recon is the far more versatile choice

[vernal trench]

dueling sword and knife marks dont amtter tho

ds5 or 6 both work

[tall torrent]

Plasma is much more restricted in application but costs less talents to run usually

[vernal trench]

plasma gun is honestly a noob trap

[tall torrent]

Nah

[lusty ether]

I find 2 is the one with the nice consistent moveset

sweepy lights and only stabby heavies

[tall torrent]

That’s IV

[vernal trench]

yea its the one everyone crutches on

[lusty ether]

was it 4? I thought it was 2

also I am going to refer to them as numbers because i am lazy

[tall torrent]

II has H2 diagonal

[hollow axle]

I didnt know ! Even against Bulwark and Crushers ?

[vernal trench]

I forgot the marks honestly

Is it 2 4 and 5 or whatever

[tall torrent]

Why would u shoot at them

[lusty ether]

tbh

[tall torrent]

You have melee

[lusty ether]

the way weapons are designated with variants

is really bad

[vernal trench]

I think i used 2 a while ago the one rhat has sweep heavies

[lusty ether]

and more or less impossible to remember well

[tall torrent]

Nah

[hollow axle]

Oh ! Do you deal with them with the Psword and Axe ? Axe you just hit them in the back I guess ?

[dry cloak]

@hollow axle use every weapon but the op stuff and you will become a good player. Only use op and you will become sloppy player that bitches about everything.

[tall torrent]

Why in the back

[tropic notch]

Just brutal momentum and power cycler on the mk6

[lusty ether]

hyperbole, dear

[hollow axle]

I dont know !

[hollow axle]

I did all masteries and my level gamplay improved so well !

[tall torrent]

Practice fighting multiples of them in meat grinder with creature spawner

I don’t get how you’re hitting them in the back

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/dumbass-dog-girlcryptid-gif-1073297691415126986

[dry cloak]

Good. Just dont fall back on plasma too.much. it really kills your ability to do stuff without it

[lusty ether]

it's fine

just swap to bolter

:)))))

[dry cloak]

Swap to weaker weapons

[vernal trench]

I love bolter

[dry cloak]

Like vigil autos

[lusty ether]

I'm a comparative noob, but they seemed fine to me

kinda reminded me of payday 2 popping heads with your primary

[tropic notch]

D Barrel ws my beloved

I see trapper I swap to d barrel and turn the trapper into a red mist

[hollow axle]

So you use recon in what conditions ? And you force brute melee with Psword ?

[tall torrent]

shoot at whatever u can't immediately hit with your melee within 2s

veteran is not a primarily ranged class (that would be psyker)

[balmy flume]

Bolter is too iconic to not use

[vapid blade]

absolutely stupid logic

[tropic notch]

I’d say using stuff like the dclaw and chain axe made me better

[queen fox]

Bolter has the best sound effects for any gun in darktide, therefore it is the best gun

[tropic notch]

Especially the chain sword

[queen fox]

Chainsword is so crippling it really does make you better

[vernal trench]

hewll yea

[queen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/picollo-removing-dbz-helmet-heavy-gif-11358792

Switching to another weapon after chainsword

[tropic notch]

If i give a new player Voc and something mindless like the dueling sword or combat axe it’ll make them develop a crutch

You can use whatever you want but I’d rather them learn basic mechanics like pushing and knowing how to dodge

Stuff like the chain sword and axe make you do that

[mellow cobalt]

I like to think the male and female loose cannon vets are siblings

[balmy flume]

I confess I usually don’t even dodge during close quarters…
I do block and push, naturally, since those are crucial for P Sword activation.

[inland orchid]

Add some dodge slides and you’ll feel like a drifting blender

[fervent quest]

Best perks for a infernus/headhunter recon las?

Boost crit or +% dmg?

[tall torrent]

Dum dum + deathspitter/infernus
Flak
Maniac/crit chance

[fervent quest]

So flak and crit it is. Why Dumdum over headhunter? Feel like HH synergizes well with the crit focus/shock trooper

[tall torrent]

Because of reciprocity

Headhunter’s actual crit chance gain is relatively small for recon

[violet drift]

I use headhunter instead of infernus because I didn’t feel like infernus was doing much in terms of dps

Definitely have better ammo economy over the long term because the crit spot on hordes is all the same

[hollow ibex]

infernus is really good

you don't skip infernus

esp for HH

[violet drift]

Why

Genuinely curious

[hollow ibex]

dumdum's always a must have

[tall torrent]

Infernus mainly matters for boss (BoN)

[hollow ibex]

so the last slot is usually infernus (synergizes with DD) or deathspitter (boring generic damage boost)

infernus is very effective at burning out reapers, bulwarks and bosses

[fervent quest]

Does DD have some kind of exploitable effect? Cause if it's just short range damage I'm pulling out the Rashad not shooting the lasgun

[hollow ibex]

and can help save ammo on other targets

[tall torrent]

Close damage goes up to 30m

[fervent quest]

Hahaha wtf I thought it was like maybe 8

[tall torrent]

It’s max value up to 12.5m, then scales down to no value at 30m

[hollow ibex]

you'd think

[fervent quest]

This game man 😵 every day I'm learning something new

[hollow ibex]

the game hides a lot of info

which leads to a lot of misinformed people (not their fault really)

[wanton dawn]

I am misinformed

Hit me up with your best information

[grand perch]

taxe is actually OP

[wanton dawn]

Hmmm.... I feel like you might be biased

[wanton dawn]

Do you even play your taxe ?

[grand perch]

up to and including havoc 40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OtXFeVIqUQ

[fervent quest]

Does DD affect the damage of fire dots? Blew my mind finding out unrelenting strikes affect soulblaze

[grand perch]

i wouldnt think so, since dots dont really have a range

so how would dumdum calculate range based bonus damage

[tall torrent]

Yes

Because +%Ndmg is global

[fervent quest]

Distance between you and the burning enemy?

[tall torrent]

It only checks for what damage instances u have that are currently active

[grand perch]

okay lol

[fervent quest]

I can't tell if that emoji is ironic or not

[void dragon]

what each combination of blessings is meant to be used on? the guide on the pun suggest Uncanny Strike, Riposte / Flesh Tearer, Precognition, Mercy Killer but not much guide on when or why take each combo

[violet drift]

so I wouldnt take infernus for the same reason i take shredders over krak

[tall torrent]

In this context no

[latent parcel]

maff still plays darktide?

[wanton dawn]

not that much. Have little time to play atm

[latent parcel]

ur missing out on my ogryn 😦

[wanton dawn]

cant beat salesforce my man

[latent parcel]

3 true ogryn duos on h40 are done rn we tryna get a couple more before the patch hits

[wanton dawn]

I am happy doing my weekly h40 then sleeping the whole week

[latent parcel]

sad!

[wanton dawn]

I mean, after a thousand of hours in a game, seems fine

plus

Still won't have much time to play, but still

[void dragon]

what blessings are good on a braced Agun? and how good is having speedload on it?

[vernal trench]

Fuck

[narrow frost]

[void dragon]

i have, but there is no explanation in dept of them or why stuff like speedload is out

[hollow ibex]

you take the blessings that help the most with damage

that's it

you don't need speedload

[tall torrent]

Because you have reload speed talents

And you prob shouldn’t rely on gun for horde clear

[void dragon]

Outside of tactical reload all the reload stuff is stat nodes, right?

Can't recall how many of those are in the tree

[tall torrent]

Volley adept (not worth due to longshot)
5% reload speed
Marksman’s focus
Weapon specialist - fleeting fire

[void dragon]

Ah, forgot the keystones, thanks

[tall torrent]

I personally don’t think they’re worth outside of tac reload

5% reload speed is pure tax node

[deft nebula]

lol never tried the tac axe and it is actually a lot of fun\

[void dragon]

Last question, is onlsaught worth building into a build? I know it can allow weapons like the graia to kill crushers under a mag, but idk if is really that good (maybe with lots of frag nades?)

[umbral scaffold]

the suprise on his face didint notice that before

[umbral scaffold]

I never found autoguns good for heavy armor and to much ammo waste but I didint try them for long time so idk. Mostly I see them as hord or unarmored enemies hitter.

[crimson pebble]

columnus or i think its called vraks now maybe the short one can still melt

[tall torrent]

Bring a melee that kills carapace for u

[umbral scaffold]

Usually my weapon choice is one for hordes and one single target

[void dragon]

I take that onslaught is a useless dead talent then?

[umbral scaffold]

like RS/Bolt gun Knife/DB shotgun I never have 2 heavy/slow weapons it just never works for me like RS/DB shotgun Its not my rythm

[void dragon]

What's RS in this?

[umbral scaffold]

I use mk II but its a personally choice and it hard to handle in the begining mk X has more practicall moves and more easy to start with

[void dragon]

I still don't know what RS stands for

[umbral scaffold]

relic sword

sorry

[void dragon]

*short circuit sounds
I was under the impression we were talking veteran, my b

[umbral scaffold]

omg hahaha

Im just tired dude sorry

[void dragon]

Blame that jerk sandman who make us feel tired when we're supposed to sleep

[umbral scaffold]

on vet I like only few melee

[inner iris]

whats the mains differences between the helbore and standard lasgun?

in terms of regular firing

[umbral scaffold]

Power sword and chain I've tried many times it just doesn't work for me

[narrow frost]

charge and fire vs click to shoot

[inner iris]

I mean if you just spam fired with the hellbore

would it be worse?

[narrow frost]

unsure

[umbral scaffold]

its not that fast i think

[narrow frost]

but overall I think helbore was higher damage

*has

[umbral scaffold]

higher dmg but slower fire rate

I found helbore more precise with fire power you can go slow you can go fast if needed the bayonet is great if you combine all those things its really fun to play

good control with enemies

even if your shot wont kill you can charge it a little to slow down an enemy and move to another target

[tall torrent]

Not worth in most cases, yes

[void dragon]

Damnit, kinda disheartening for some weapons that are supposed to make the most use of that perk (is also quite odd that is placed in the melee side of the tree, where you would expect stuff like revolvers and maybe shotguns for quick swap shots instead of rapid fire weapons)

[gilded raft]

its positioning is part of what makes it mediocre

it's not bad as it is, just kinda out of the way of typical mag-dump builds, where it would excel.

[lusty ether]

I was lowkey baffled by how much damage the bayonet does

the first time I tried it

[broken spade]

the bayonet dps is crazy

[void dragon]

Honestly I still feel the tree needs some identity adjustment, and this kind of things are exactly why

[lusty ether]

it's probably not a popular thought

but I wouldn't mind more choices that lock off other choices

[stuck tree]

[lusty ether]

sometimes the fun is in 'not' getting to choose something

[umbral scaffold]

helbore seems all-around weapon

[void dragon]

How dare you suggest making players do decision making?

[lusty ether]

Emperor forgive me ;-;

[void dragon]

Except for horde management, in that regard is not great

[lusty ether]

I'uno, still kinda oneshots a bunch of stuff.

Dunno if that holds true on the highest difficulties.

[umbral scaffold]

hmm I use stabbing shotting combination

[tall torrent]

Bayonet stab has very poor cleave damage distribution

[lusty ether]

This is true.

[tall torrent]

U go from like 600 on first target to 60 on second target lol

[lusty ether]

That first guy is real dead, though.

S'gotta count for something.

Dude's pretteh dead.

[tame lodge]

That's why you go for Mk4
First target 450
Second target 150

Mk4 can't stop winning

[arctic rampart]

remember when bayonet carried over blessings from melee?

[tame lodge]

🗣️

[lusty ether]

Le sabre de duellio?

[tame lodge]

Mk4 helby

[lusty ether]

Ahkays

[umbral scaffold]

I stab and shoot through make a safe tunnel:D

[lusty ether]

I'm not good with variant names

[broken spade]

brutal momentum bayonet...

[lusty ether]

Orrrrr

orrrr

a rifle with a sword bayonet

halberd ass rifle

tbh, one thing I actually wanted was a pistol+sword combo

I feel like that's doable

[umbral scaffold]

pistol with sword?

[lusty ether]

like half the imperial guard officer models are sword/chainsword and pistol

also commissars

[umbral scaffold]

well you can hav that bolt pistol is sweet in combo

[lusty ether]

kinda feel like it would work a bit like the grenade fist ogryn has, where right click braces your gun and makes left click into a shooty shooty over a stabby stab

maybe get some neat special where you point blank execute dudes with your pistol, after doing the stabberooney

[umbral scaffold]

bolt pistol special move is somthing like that

[arctic rampart]

they need to give ogryn's power fists

movement as fast as knife

[lusty ether]

you said the words 'power fist'

and now I'm sad

because I would like an actual power fist

le grande punch

[umbral scaffold]

This one is for you

[lusty ether]

yeah, but as a combo weapon

so that I feel all special and tingly

and then they make it take up the melee slot

and suddenly you have a smol gun 'and' a big gun

!!

[umbral scaffold]

I wish you could have 2 melee or 2 guns because why not

I mean one weapon I each slot

Ok it's time for my night meditation see ya

[trim badger]

all 3 of my havoc teammates left

Let's try to solo this shit!!!

ah shit wrong channel no matter

[unreal nova]

Can ask for ppl to join btw.

[trim badger]

It was a havoc so not possible for others to join

[unreal nova]

They can. I hotjoined halfasleep a H40 mid run cos someone left.

They need to join via join strike team.

This assumes you host.

No point joining if host left since the run won't count then.

[vernal trench]

@dry cloak this goes so hard

[void dragon]

what good marksman focus are around? specifically those you would say "i can use this on havoc 30 and win"

[severe gale]

marksmans focus kinda stinks

at least

to use

[void dragon]

from what i tried is not only the hardest to use, it gives damage comparable to 3 stacks of focus target that doesnt depend or disapear for missing headshots

yeah, 10 staks vs 3 is almost the same, not acounting for crit variations so maybe 4 stacks

[dry cloak]

Scar

[stoic thorn]

How I watch on the vet-o-vision as 20 scab ragers show up in the horde

https://tenor.com/view/aneurysm-hhhhomeboyyyy-kings-dark-tidings-saga-by-kel-kade-reaperleviathan-head-explode-gif-21578105

(My plasma gun thirsts)

[umbral scaffold]

Lmao

[stoic thorn]

My exe stance plasma gun at 10 WS stacks proceeded to fucking obliterate them in about 6 seconds

[austere pine]

when did vault spireside get readded

[umbral scaffold]

AhhI remember playing old stalker it was hell on higher difficulty and those crazy modes. It was terrifying like metro many times and jamming weapon when in middle of shot out.

It's jamming weapon still a thing in new stalker ?

[placid swan]

Is there an updated guide for veteran curios?

[austere pine]

path's vet guide has a curio section

reach at least 201 hp, get as much toughness as possible after that

i personally go for 1 hp curio, 1 tghn curio, 1 stam curio where i take hp and tghn perks on all and i go for 1 stam regen, 1 ability regen and 1 free space, usually sprint eff

[limpid wagon]

So what's the patch going to entail for those of us who run Helbore lasguns? The bayonet's going to get a slower attack speed, and benefit from attack speed talents but not from other melee talents, so it's going to be a nerf but can return to something akin to normal if you get Trench Fighter / Weapon Specialist?

[placid swan]

Has the max numbers changed for curios? All I'm pulling are 19%+ Health. Not 20-21% Health.

[limpid wagon]

420/430 curios should be 21% health

[placid swan]

Hmmm... Any other ways to claim besides Melk's Mystery Store/Normal Store and mission loot?

Not seeing 420/430 curios at all

[limpid wagon]

Not to my knowledge. Just check in on Brunt every hour / spend Melk Coins. There's a mod to access the armoury from the Character Select screen so you don't have to load into the mourningstar and slog over each time.

[uncut pebble]

You just have to be lucky with Melk or Brunt.

[placid swan]

Are Mystery acquisitions a waste if I've got spare?

[uncut pebble]

No.

[grand perch]

No other way, curio farming is still BS

[uncut pebble]

You can random roll curios until the cows come home.

It's like the only use for melkbux anymore.

[placid swan]

Sweet thanks

[uncut pebble]

Who knows, you may pull 17% toughness and +3 stam curios out of it, as well.

[grand perch]

I remember spending 10k melk bucks and not getting a single +3 stamina curio... That bastard

[placid swan]

Just spent 10k myself.

And all I got was a 420 +21% Max HP.

That bastard.

[grand perch]

Well 1 is usually all you need

[placid swan]

I've got two more 420 toughness to go lol.

[umbral scaffold]

Zealot crying for ammo got me wonder on this run can't he just use melee I'm the one who needs ammo (or the one who steal it all)

[wild vortex]

flamethrower zealot who forgot how to melee probably

[hot nest]

Me as Vet who trying to at least sustain zealots flamers by picking Surv aura

[atomic wyvern]

“Melkbux”

Bro I hope you have that word copyrighted I’m stealing that lmfao

[grand perch]

Always drink your melk

[barren kiln]

Question: I was choosing marks on my shredder, piced one (wrong one) now I am stuck with that and it shows none availible. What happened to them? I select any other weapon, go to marks and there is 3. The shredder had three and they all of a sudden disappeaed

and I cant upload a screenshot here either..

https://i.postimg.cc/k5Qvsjpx/shredder.png

[pseudo fiber]

The shredder autopistol?

[barren kiln]

yes

[pseudo fiber]

That has no marks

[barren kiln]

something doesnt make sense. It had marks, I chose one, then they all disappeared

[pseudo fiber]

Well I'm unsure what I can tell you is the shredder autopistol doesn't have any other marks and has never had any other marks.

[barren kiln]

then how did the damage stats change, I wish i had a screenshot of that before i made the choice

I promise I am not crazy

[odd sparrow]

Uh no you are crazy, you might have been on another gun maybe the laspistol mistaking it for shredder or the UI was bugged. Ivehave had that happen to me before. But unfortunately the shredder has only 1 mark and its not very good compared to all our other guns

[barren kiln]

hmmm.. so then that has to be it, i had a different gun 😳

[pallid jetty]

There was no other shredders

Only one

[vernal trench]

Yea there are

Shredder deez nuts

[pallid jetty]

I wish we had more tho

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/shredder-tmnt-animation-teenage-ninja-turtle-gif-10902239

[vernal trench]

[uncut pebble]

Jokes on us, fatshark just played a cruel joke on that person and are secretly adding in another shredder mk.

[gritty mural]

we're getting a new shield mk for ogryn that replaces his maul with another shield so he can have one on his back making him always blocking from behind

[vernal trench]

What if he has one on one hand and another up his

[queen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-space-marine-dropkick-punch-imperial-guard-gif-10146621787481417445

[tender rose]

https://tenor.com/view/door-dark-souls-3-dark-souls-iii-dark-souls-dark-souls-ii-gif-4046331747508077032

[uncut pebble]

I wish all door shield users in ds3 a very straight sword weapon art uppercut.

[placid swan]

https://tenor.com/view/cease-your-heresy-warhammer-heresy-astartes-gif-18053812

[violet drift]

Kick supremacy

[sleek garden]

Do people in elden ring/dark souls pvp actually use just normal weapons

I have a pole hammer on elden ring

Not anything amazing

[austere pine]

personally, i wish all gundyr's halberd users a very fried graphics card

[void dragon]

Hypothetical question: would it be fine if the stealth skill could replace the executioner stance but it would have build in and nodes to give gun buffs when it's off CD? So you are encouraged to not use stealth to gun more but when needed/as a "oh sh!t" button it's there for the situation.

[tall torrent]

Are u talking about infiltrate’s design being bad or it being annoying to play

[void dragon]

...
This is me wondering if we could give the melee oriented side of the perk tree something different than the skill that is thematically against a melee centric style, and since stealth is already tied with guns maybe make it more like executioner's stance (not that I'm not hating on ES, this is an hypothetical question THE POINT OF THIS IS WONDERING! NOT HATING!)

[tall torrent]

How is infiltrate thematically against a melee centric play style

And how is stealth tied with guns

[radiant chasm]

commando isn't melee centric, it's juggler hybrid

and infiltrate is ambivalent to guns or melee

you can use it to reposition and get a good firing angle, or use it to dive and force a melee fight while they are still recovering from the massive suppression

[queen fox]

Some of them, estoc was good for a while but has been nerfed in almost every patch

Meta when I stopped playing was double lances

Or double bleed spears

[sleek garden]

I swap between the pole hammer and like

A shield and morningstar

It's the only way I can deal enough damage to bosses

[void dragon]

I guess the best argument here is that it's current version is more engaging than what I'm suggesting, I probably should try more infiltrate builds using more weapons like infantry Aguns to get a more all around feelings on it

[queen fox]

For pvp, hammers and flails are considered the worst weapons

Their only good animation is their gaurd counter

[sleek garden]

Flails can't be parried though

I had to use the flair for the one guy in the castle who parries your attacks

[queen fox]

Lol

[sleek garden]

he kept one shotting me with a parry thing

so I just used a flail

[queen fox]

I remember him

[sleek garden]

I'm not very good at the game

[queen fox]

It takes time

Don't worry about what weapons are good in pvp if you aren't playing pvp

Pve is completely different

[sleek garden]

right now I'm using the soldier armor you get from the limgrave guys

[queen fox]

If you want a realistic weapon that's also good, use a Halbert or lucerne

Halberd

[sleek garden]

With the brass looking armor and green and red colors

or is it standards

[sleek garden]

Actually I think it is a Lucerne and I'm calling it a poleaxe it's been months since I played

I got stuck on this giant knight guy outside the big rotting castle place

[austere pine]

agile engagement, weapon swap speed, weapons specialist are melee talents i suppose then

as pertains to the previous topic of conversation

[sleek garden]

I need to take some videos of Zarona spreadshot shotgun gameplay

[calm shard]

what build would you be using that shotgun for on veteran of all people

[void dragon]

Tbh, is more how for a long time Stealth and subterfuge are associated with snipers and hunters, sure stuff like predator make them more close quarters, but even then ranged fire was a good tool for them

[queen fox]

This describes half the bosses in elden ring tho

[calm shard]

even with Psyker damage it sometimes feels like a T shirt cannon

[sleek garden]

Manstopper/Deadshot/marksman's focus/tunnel vision

it's insane and doesn't always work

[austere pine]

when i hear stealth and invis, i think spy from tf2, rogue from dnd and melee assassin (sneak + dagger) from skyrim

[sleek garden]

But if you land a good shot on a crowd

it's a fountain of exploding heads, max toughness and stamina instantly

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/luna-crunchycat-plink-gif-1911426650134889656

[sleek garden]

also good for shooters

[austere pine]

the predator comes in second

[dry cloak]

My stealth vet build now uses dc7 and laspistol

[queen fox]

Sneak dagger in skyrim is chad shit, bows are for pussies

[calm shard]

I feel like the double barrel could accomplish the same thing with much less skill investment

[sleek garden]

The red rotting castle

he's like a miniboss

[calm shard]

The whole point of the Zarona is its freakishly high unyielding damage and finesse modifier

[austere pine]

sneak dagger is impossible until you're at least like 50 sneak

making bow the best way to level it until then

[dry cloak]

Wasnt that agrivolver

[queen fox]

No, you get the muffle spell and play smart and you can do it

[sleek garden]

Zarona shotgun or revolver

[dry cloak]

Or you talking shotty

[calm shard]

shotgun

[austere pine]

you need like lvl 12 and good luck to get muffle

[dry cloak]

I prefer agrip shotty

[sleek garden]

I'm still sad they changed the name from lawbringer man what were they thinking

[void dragon]

Honestly Skyrim makes me remember more the stealth archer, but I get ya

[austere pine]

which doesn't use invisibility

just sneaking and hiding in plain sight

[sleek garden]

I don't blame you the Zarona is straight up the worst but it's my guilty pleasure

[calm shard]

ngl I use the shotguns more than most people

[sleek garden]

less ammo and damage

[calm shard]

I'd honestly argue the Zarona is the most consistently useful of the 3

[sleek garden]

I use them too

[dry cloak]

Shotties need a touch up

[calm shard]

Agri is trying too hard to be a worse vigilant autogun

[void dragon]

*crouch in front of bandit
"Must have been the wind"

[sleek garden]

manstopper makes it really satisfying honestly

[calm shard]

Kantrael is just bad at everything which is sad

[austere pine]

which is at 90 sneak at which point a dagger is more useful and better

[sleek garden]

blast a rager through the chest and it throws the one behind him to the ground

[calm shard]

Zarona is at worst adequate at all the things you'd want to use a normal gun for, and comes with some of the best boss dps of any ranged weapon in the game

[queen fox]

No? There's a garunteed drop noy far from windhelm

[dry cloak]

Vigil mk3 auto is just so good

[calm shard]

Just doesn't really have a lot of ammo

[sleek garden]

This is surprising

I didn't know it had any boss damage

[austere pine]

due to having roll, the sneak being so high that you can crouch jump for mobility and being able to literally stand still and not be detected

[sleek garden]

I try to drop shells into its head but it's hard and doesn't seem to do a ton

[austere pine]

i appear to have met a true gamer while being in my fake gamer era. i apologize

[calm shard]

yeah Zarona shotguns minimum pellet count against unyielding when you ADS is 14

which is more pellets than it actually fires

[sleek garden]

that's sneaky

No wonder it annihilates reapers

[queen fox]

3k hours playing (mostly) unmodded skyrim

[sleek garden]

but I use it with exy stance and marksmans focus I'm insane

spam spreadshot into an incoming horde

[queen fox]

I beat the main story and main faction stories with several builds over the years

My favorite is still lightning mage

[austere pine]

i've got 1k of mainly vanilla-ish of mostly sneak

i tried giving mage a shot but it's like

[queen fox]

You can kill dragons before they are able to crash land at 50%hp

[austere pine]

there doesn't seem to be that much scaling

to me, personally

[queen fox]

Mage isn't fun until lvl50 destruction

Then it's very fun

[austere pine]

which is expert spells iirc?

[queen fox]

Mage dmg scaling comes from buff potions

[austere pine]

conflagration, chain lightning, ice storm and the wall spells?

[void dragon]

The DnD weezard experience: early levels are pain, later it becomes a god

[queen fox]

Chain lightning is your bread and butter as mage

[austere pine]

i like the booms more

fuck runes, not runes

fire is where it's at for me

[queen fox]

Runes are actually very powerful

[austere pine]

sure, lightning does more base damage, but the effect of fire spells is that enemies take more fire damage if they're actively taking fire damage

they are but i'm 3 iq

[void dragon]

Arsonism and pyromaniac that give me life in games

[austere pine]

fax, no printer

[calm shard]

funny shotgun damage

[austere pine]

the jackhammer 💔

[sleek garden]

That ain't a shotgun

[red star]

i got my veteren to lvl 30

[sleek garden]

I jest

[void dragon]

It's a combat shotgun (with skin)

[sleek garden]

I'll take some videos tonight perhaps

[sleek garden]

Nice

[austere pine]

congrats! if you need help setting up a full build, you're just a question away

[sleek garden]

time to perfect your weapons

[austere pine]

yup

which is the more laborious part

[calm shard]

very funny quirk of zarona shotgun is being able to just headshot bulwarks over their shields

since the minimum pellet count is enormous it deals full damage if you so much as clip their head

[austere pine]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-cat-huh-etr-gif-15332443943609734737

[void dragon]

I want to find perfect builds for each weapon, but hard to do something else than shout

Feel like dragonborn

[red star]

so anyway

[austere pine]

fellas, i crave vault spireside

[austere pine]

it's okay to be wrong ❤️

[red star]

helbore lasgun

[calm shard]

just y'know

hit em with the 2 tap

[austere pine]

oh it's kanty

fire shot?

[calm shard]

no

zarona

the spreadshot one

[sleek garden]

That's not the kantrael

It doesn't have that goofy heat shield

It's the zarona

[austere pine]

i'm already miserable

[red star]

is this infantry lasgun

[sleek garden]

you have to play the game normally

[dry cloak]

Thats a shotgun

[calm shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270272381401038858/1351700095652859935/image0.gif

[red star]

oh

im dumb

[dry cloak]

Modified using weapon customization mod

[sleek garden]

very satisfying gameplay to me idk

[red star]

i swear kantreal was for infantry las gun

[sleek garden]

I like blowing up people with the boltgun

[dry cloak]

Because it is

[sleek garden]

There's different weapons that share origin worlds

[red star]

ah

[sleek garden]

there's a kantrael shotgun but they also do kantrael lasguns

[red star]

that makes sense

a las shot gun would be sick

[sleek garden]

I actually was thinking about that last night

It would be kinda cool

[calm shard]

boss damage is pretty stellar too

[sleek garden]

but I guess it would just be some kind of lens or refractor type thing on a modified infantry lasgun

[red star]

is this combat shotgun

[calm shard]

yeah

[dry cloak]

Yes

[sleek garden]

In a vacuum that's cool but good luck managing to land all those headshots while he's flailing around

[red star]

i thought it sucked

[sleek garden]

it does but it is still fun

[calm shard]

it's a lot easier than it looks because you can aim super high and still do full damage

[sleek garden]

something can suck and still be cool

[dry cloak]

Because compared to other weapons it does

[calm shard]

like I said earlier the minimum pellet count is higher than the actual amount of pellets the gun fires

[sleek garden]

I use the Zarona shotgun often

I didn't realize the little quirks though

[calm shard]

so long as all pellets that you do land hit the headshot you do full damage

[sleek garden]

I thought it was an excellent sniper for a shotgun

For sure

[red star]

helbore lasgun my beloved

[dry cloak]

Helbores are more underrated than bad. And they require some skill to use

[calm shard]

Zarona has a very generous minimum pellet count and very high finesse on its ADS shots

Which makes it a pretty consistent gun even over range

[tall torrent]

Did someone ping me

[calm shard]

But it's still a combat shotgun you can save yourself a lot of trouble by just using something with ammo

[red star]

@ veteran steam guide WIP helbore lasgun

[void dragon]

Probably me, was answering the question you did iirc

[sleek garden]

96 reserve shots with the Zarona and you run out after like 10 seconds of shooting

[tall torrent]

Well, that would be the case if infiltrate didn’t have the longest CD of all veteran abilities

[calm shard]

shooting the top of a bulwarks head vs shooting a reaper straight in the face

just aim vaguely head level make sure none of the pellets hit their body and you're doin' good

[tall torrent]

It’s a stereotype that’s not particularly accurate however

[calm shard]

do NOT hipfire into unyielding though because the shotguns use magic ammo that gets worse if you hipfire them

[tall torrent]

In fantasy settings you tend to see archers that can go invisible

[calm shard]

Vermintide 2 Huntsman?

[tall torrent]

But in almost every historical context, it essentially goes like

The elite soldiers may not be archers
But archers are always elite soldiers

[queen fox]

It's because being able to pull a 200lb warbow requires constant training

[tall torrent]

Yes

[sleek garden]

I hipfire into ragers

[queen fox]

You have to be a proffesional full time archer to be an effective battlefield archer

[sleek garden]

sit them down

[void dragon]

The suppression to make a melee fight more in your favour seems to be what makes it solid for the hybrid side of the perk tree, so I believe current iteration it's better than my idea. I just wish it doesn't tax so many perk nodes for it.

[tall torrent]

Archers in history are usually significantly better trained & equipped for melee than regular infantry

[remote sonnet]

200lbs is really the max, the usual is about 150lbs, and that's already a feat.

[tall torrent]

So this media stereotype of archers being stealth nimble recon type characters that fold in melee instantly couldn’t be further from the truth

[calm shard]

yeah barely changes damage

hipfire gets more stagger and cleave tho

[void dragon]

I didn't think they would fold in melee but it does make sense I think

[remote sonnet]

Though, most long bow archer are in battle line army, they are not the same as other type of archer.

[sleek garden]

So it would be wise to take no respite or full bore you think

[tall torrent]

It’s only done that way for game balance

[remote sonnet]

Hunters don't need long heavy war bow like military archers.

[tall torrent]

If it followed historical precedence then ranged unit would be absurdly broken

You’re essentially looking at avg guardsman vs kasrkin/scion equivalent

[queen fox]

I think it comes from Robin hood

[tall torrent]

When talking infantry vs archer

[void dragon]

Infantry is usually cheap foot soldiers

[sleek garden]

And then guns showed up

and ruined everything

[void dragon]

The spears of the army

[red star]

crossbow in darktide when?

[remote sonnet]

Hunters are usually skilled in survival and close combat in addition with the lighter bow.

[tall torrent]

So I personally don’t like or agree with this association of stealth = ranged, nimble

Nimble perhaps but not really ranged

[austere pine]

reload speed on veteran makes me wanna start cutting

[red star]

[calm shard]

No respite is an absurdly high damage boost beyond the first shot, but full bore enables a lot more consistent one shots

[austere pine]

i run it with the middle reload talent on zealot so it's always ready to mag dump but vet doesn't have it

[void dragon]

Ty for your PoV mate, appreciate it

[calm shard]

especially if you aren't landing every pellet all the time

[sleek garden]

Marksmans focus and the one that reloads faster on elite kills

[red star]

cutting what

[queen fox]

Rough historical battlefield hierarchy goes peasant skirmishers<peasant pikemen<armored men-at-arms<archers<mounted knights<seige engineers

[calm shard]

No Respite is 20% damage for each level of stagger an enemy is suffering from

[austere pine]

i am NOT running marksman's

[sleek garden]

His arms to bleed out

[calm shard]

And shotgun stagger is enormous so it's realistically more like a 60-80% damage boost

On enemies that you can stagger anyways

[red star]

vetern talent rework when

[tall torrent]

And tbh
Archers usually aren’t that nimble either
Given they’re typically elite soldiers they’d be wearing very good armor (not heavy plate but still quite good) and be carrying not only arrows for their bows, but also melee weapons and maybe shields

[sleek garden]

Your loss

that's free headshot damage and reload speed

I take tunnel vision so it's also bonus toughness

[void dragon]

I'm trying to figure stealth builds and people are already clamouring for a rework?

[red star]

yeah but marksman

[tall torrent]

Hell yea, 5th vet talent rework pls

[red star]

(i am not a vet main i dont know what im talking about)

[void dragon]

Want to see what IAG and other mid range guns it can support

[sleek garden]

People hate marksman builds the most here

[red star]

this is what i am parroting

[queen fox]

I haven't seen much about archers carrying shields. I've seen writing about crossbowmen doing it tho

[sleek garden]

It's probably the most boring way to play for most people I guess and they hate not having voice of command

[red star]

there is likely nuance that i am neglecting due to the fact idk what im taking about

[sleek garden]

There's no nuance

[queen fox]

Voc is a crutch

[red star]

i havent even tried marksman

[sleek garden]

Marksman means no voice of command

Which is literally a win button

[red star]

mmm

[sleek garden]

That's it

[red star]

am i thinking of the same thing

im thinking of the keystone

[sleek garden]

"marksman" is like a play style

[calm shard]

marksmans focus the keystone, and executioners stance (what chris is talking about) are both unpopular so uh

maybe?

[red star]

yes

[calm shard]

also Marksman the red talent that gives 20% strength on weakspot hits

[surreal gust]

I like exe, but I kind of get tunnel vision while using it

[void dragon]

Marksman feels that needs a rework, feels hard to implement in gameplay and it's reward isn't that impressive

Just simple stats

[red star]

the marksman penance seems like a pain in the ass

[surreal gust]

Nah it’s easy if you’ve got some friends

[calm shard]

It's reward is very fucking impressive for certain weapons

[red star]

i only have my bf :(

[calm shard]

It's just hard to play because you need to be clicking heads all the damn time

[tall torrent]

Small hand shields are possible, but large shields usually not

[calm shard]

When you could just press F on VoC

[surreal gust]

I got it in like 4 matches with two of my friends

[calm shard]

And win that way

[tall torrent]

Marksman’s focus? I can help u

[void dragon]

Iirc they used large ones to have mobile cover with crossbows

[calm shard]

Like with Marksman's Focus the keystone

[sleek garden]

It's something you have to enjoy

Otherwise I actually do recommend my ridiculous Zarona shotgun manstopper build

Which is entertaining

[calm shard]

Vraks infantry autogun can one shot headshot gunners
IIb infantry lasgun can 2 shot headshot gunners, and one shot headshot any special except mutants

MK IV Helbore lasgun can one shot crushers

[grand perch]

word

[red star]

did someone say

[sleek garden]

Mk7 inflas is what I use for it most days

I love one shotting half the roster

[calm shard]

with a gun that has infinite ammo

and people will have the gall to say it's a bad weapon because it's not the plasma gun/bolter

[surreal gust]

Yeah I love the infantry with exe

[austere pine]

executioner's stance is what you're referencing

not marksman's

[red star]

every step i take
there is a hole in my heart

[sleek garden]

also the infantry lasgun/helbore do more damage at range than up close

[red star]

shaped like a helbore lasgun

[sleek garden]

I meant more like the play style

[mossy oasis]

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Thank you for your attention.

[surreal gust]

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[red star]

is this something to do with helbore lasgun

[sleek garden]

Idk who that is

[surreal gust]

Anyways

[red star]

never mind

[surreal gust]

I actually really do not like the helbore that much

[sleek garden]

I like the really chunky one

But I get it

They're really tough to use

The zoom would be nice if the sights weren't really weird

[surreal gust]

It’s the swap speed that gets me

I forget my ranged weapons have specials so it becomes a problem

[calm shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270272381401038858/1351698135872962691/image0.gif

[sleek garden]

I think that's why it has the bayonet

[sleek garden]

To compensate for that a bit

[surreal gust]

Least I’m not stuck with the shit irons

[red star]

am i just cooked or am i just not noticing this swap speed

[sleek garden]

But why use the heavy helbores bayonet when you can make a foot long tunnel through their chest with a normal shot

[sleek garden]

In a big horde fight, your guy stopping to cock a lever on the helbore becomes the longest thing ever when you're trying to turn a trapper to ash

[calm shard]

the swap speed talents are only noticable on suuuuper slow weapons

[tall torrent]

It’s 0.25~0.3s faster

[calm shard]

which for vet would be the Helbore and Bolter

Even then it's not really something you pay attention to, but you sure notice when you don't have it anymore

[austere pine]

yup

[red star]

this makes sense

[austere pine]

it's the base at this point

[red star]

but counterpoint: itll be so fucking good

[sleek garden]

I just hit e for exy stance lol

Or f

Sorry

[austere pine]

this is hilarious to me

(f)executioner's stance

[sleek garden]

I always take exhilarating takedown

[austere pine]

this might be my most cursed talent tree yet

[sleek garden]

What are you doing

[calm shard]

I don't because like hell am I spending a skill point on Longshot

worthless ass skill

[austere pine]

it's like

[sleek garden]

you should go into the morningstar and find a random guy with a horrid skill tree

And copy

[austere pine]

either i never use the bolter on veteran due to hating having to reload that thing

or i take this fuckass dip

[sleek garden]

That's why I use marksmans focus

[void dragon]

I was like: this could be a nice anti special thing!
And then I tested it

[calm shard]

couldn't you you just use out for blood and take the reload speed talent that's over there

[sleek garden]

10% reload boost

[calm shard]

Only STARTS providing damage at 12.5 meters and beyond

And only gets the actual advertised 20% at fucking 30 meters?

[austere pine]

where are you getting this reload boost

[calm shard]

30?

[sleek garden]

Marksmans focus

I also put it on the bolter itself

[red star]

yeah but

[austere pine]

oh i see it now

[red star]

its marksman focus

[red star]

sorry bud

[austere pine]

yeah getting 1% reload speed per stack is not something i'm gonna sacrifice the versatility of either WS or FT for

[sleek garden]

This is very nice for lasguns though

[austere pine]

i'd much rather take an idiotic dip for volley adept than that

[void dragon]

Marksman focus, why you so garbo?

[sleek garden]

I mean there's also a finesse boost

[calm shard]

It's not bad it's very good on specific weapons

[austere pine]

the bolter, when magdumping, is a little tough to keep a bullet in the chamber with

[calm shard]

It's just not really generally applicable

[austere pine]

it's not bad at all

[calm shard]

Okay, and magdumping the bolter is a bad habit

[austere pine]

it's just

[calm shard]

So taking that talent will reinforce better gameplay

[austere pine]

yeah but gun go RATATATATATATA

[sleek garden]

I would not use marksmans focus on a braced auto

but on infantry weapons yes

Or a bolter

[austere pine]

MF is great, but FT is just so much better for most situations and the attack speed for WS makes clearing a walk in the park

[calm shard]

Helbore, Bolter, Infantry Lasguns, Infantry Autoguns, and to a lesser extent the Vigilant Autoguns get a lot of value out of Marksman's Focus

[sleek garden]

I like the infantry autogun with the cloth on the stock

[calm shard]

Since at low stacks it easily enables breakpoints that people usually take focus target for, and at high stacks provides a generous amount of extra damage into tanky enemies

[austere pine]

the graia

"columnus mk 8"

[sleek garden]

a couple stacks of marksmans focus and then you are expending 1 bullet per shooter

or just exy stance

[calm shard]

works with the vraks too

[sleek garden]

56 bullets

[austere pine]

yeah undoubtedly

too much recoil for me on vraks

[void dragon]

Really want more experimentation on the other skills, almost all the time I see VoC instead of good builds for the other skills

[austere pine]

and that is a skill issue, and i'm willing to take it

[sleek garden]

The vraks headhunter or the SMG

[austere pine]

smg

ciag

[sleek garden]

I see

Yeah

I don't enjoy it

I did try a silly Deadshot thing with it once

But the other two yeah I likey

[austere pine]

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-hot-handsome-cook-hottie-gif-21594615

the emperor giving you emperor's gifts at the end of missions be like

look at this