veteran-class

[gilded raft]

Try both marks, they feel kinda different. The push attack + follow is a staple of both, but otherwise they vary a bit

I like the 3 myself, kinda meh on the other one

[arctic rampart]

I did, I liked 3 more than 6. Quick stabs!

[gilded raft]

Combo comfort is a big deal

[arctic rampart]

I only gave 6 two games though

[gilded raft]

6 has a better push-follow combo

Which is a very strong move on both

But I'm less of a fan of its heavies

[arctic rampart]

I'm really good at running out of stamina on push attacks so I use them less than I should

[gilded raft]

I run weapon spec vets with a 3 stamina curio usually, and stamina regen on all 3

So that's not really a problem

[thick rose]

speaking of

[terse idol]

I wouldn't recommend running stamina curios

Like to other folks

[thick rose]

is a 400 curios with 3 stma 3 stam

[terse idol]

If it wooorks for you it's alright

[thick rose]

what is the breakpoint on that?

[terse idol]

I mean okay to be fair I gotta roll it back

Plasma has just as many uses to the bolter

It just also has a higher magazine size

Theoretically has more dps

[thick rose]

the bolter has an elphant on the room and draw animation is its name

[gilded raft]

I like the extra stamina for melee vet. Makes the stamina regen that much better, and i really don't need any more toughness between the high base, the other 2 curios and should

[thick rose]

I fucking wish fatshark would fix that

[hollow ibex]

those are scams, it's 2 stam

real 3 stam curios start at 410

[thick rose]

its like you swapped weapon during its reload nimation and its so annoying

[hollow ibex]

laughs in helbore

[gilded raft]

Nah, bolter has to be clunky, for balance reasons

It's dummy strong

[hollow ibex]

yeah bolter drawtime actually isn't that bad

[thick rose]

I literally cannot unerstand how it is still a thing. the fucking revolver pulls fast as any weapon

[gilded raft]

If it doesn't even require preplanning it'd just be op

[thick rose]

it can be slow just dont cock it every time

[arctic rampart]

you go for the draw speed instead of the toughness reduction at the top, it helps

[hollow ibex]

also there's a funny thing called exec stance that lets you just bypass the drawtime

[gilded raft]

That's bait. Don't take it. So many better nodes further down the tree

It's like a quarter second difference

[thick rose]

would it really be that OP if exec was a free reload still?

I dunno man

[hollow ibex]

just take one motion, and then take o4b

not that hard lol

[hollow ibex]

i wished, maybe as a subnode

[thick rose]

I would love to be able to use the base las gun again

[arctic rampart]

I mean I 90% go for close order drill + confirmed kill, but one motion (draw speed) + out for blood is perfectly fine

[gilded raft]

Fine, but worse

[hollow ibex]

nah

better

[thick rose]

im REDACTED. if fatshark added a camo cloak back cosmetic I would RP trash forever...

[gilded raft]

Confirmed kill is borderline op

[hollow ibex]

no second wind is borderline op

[arctic rampart]

its the +1 stamina that I usually end up preferring over 5% movement speed

[hollow ibex]

CK is good, but none of the vet toughness regen talents is borderline op

[gilded raft]

They wouldn't be op by themselves necessarily, but you get all of them

[hollow ibex]

you really shouldn't do that tbh

[tall torrent]

It’s already really op

[terse idol]

Its not as strong as the plasma suffice it to say

[gilded raft]

I think the bolter is pretty good as it is. Well balanced that is

[terse idol]

Like

[gilded raft]

But on the strong side perhaps

[terse idol]

I still wish the plasma has a slower draw time

Bolter did just get its draw time buffed iirc

What?

[hollow ibex]

WS plasma shouldn't be a thing tbh lol

[arctic rampart]

this guy asking for nerfs 😉

[terse idol]

Its like the same shit

Yes

You knlw

Kinda like how bolter ws isn't really a thing

Its weird how you take a

Bolter

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[gilded raft]

Plasma is too boring for me to care about the balance honestly

[terse idol]

With a significantly smaller magazine size

[arctic rampart]

it'd be cool if the community could vote on balance changes like old school runescape

[terse idol]

And then

Balance it around

Draw speed

But the plasmagun is right there

Firing a few less shots before max over heat but a significantly larger magazine

[hollow ibex]

considering most of the community are brainlets that watch tanner mindlessly... terrible fucking idea

[terse idol]

Reddit voting for balance changes

Omegalul!

[gilded raft]

That sounds horrible. I'd rather have game designers handle that, people who actually do that for a living instead of a sea of opinionated idiots

[arctic rampart]

oh it would definitely go nuts every X patch but it'd probably be better than giganticshark

[hollow ibex]

i don't think it would, when i see the takes of DT influencers

[thick rose]

I dunno

[arctic rampart]

DT has influencers? There's like only a few 1000 that play

[thick rose]

I aint the best but I can mix it up. I think draw time is super critical

[tall torrent]

Nah, way worse

[thick rose]

I can do some silly shit if I can insta draw, dodge slide and a revolver (maybe a push in there) can get a special

that a bolter will never

on a not mael it makes it ez

[arctic rampart]

Balancing worked great on old school runescape from the community just copy their system

[gilded raft]

To paraphrase George Carlin, look at how stupid the average player is, and understand that half are by definition dumber than that. Never let the community decide things!

[thick rose]

or 40

[tall torrent]

Darktide community is very

[terse idol]

Fatshark does good balancing

Like some of it takes alot of tiiimmme

[thick rose]

I dont see how that makes bolter OP if it didnt have to put up with that

[tall torrent]

Very

[terse idol]

Also we have play testers helping with balance

[tall torrent]

Very wrong

On just about everything

[arctic rampart]

Dude I love Carlin. Watcha few of his specials here & there. Him & Rodney D still funny anytime I watch one of their skits

[tall torrent]

There’re far too many obscure things for the avg player to know

[terse idol]

But again grizzly, bolter isn't as strong as plasmagun

[gilded raft]

I'd rather take my car to a mechanic than make every change suggested by 200 people on the forums and end up with the brakes duct taped to the roof

[arctic rampart]

Most people have IAG, bolter, plasma, zerona as the top tier right

[tall torrent]

Democracy is an illusion of choice

You need a group of educated people that know what they’re talking bout to vote on these things instead of giving that power to someone who barely understands what he’s voting for

[thick rose]

just think, nobody even points out that average =/= median

he was right XD

[gilded raft]

Modern day Socrates this one. Also not wrong

[hollow ibex]

we need philosopher kings

running darktide balance

[arctic rampart]

Ok so only the people doing havoc40+, modders, popular guide creators, and me can do changes

[gilded raft]

Average is used to refer to means and medians depending on context

[terse idol]

No

Only the play testers can influence changes

[arctic rampart]

only ogryns

[fresh nova]

Ready for the degenerate question that will set the Imperium ablaze? What’s you best shredder gun build?

[terse idol]

Balance team would just be internal and doing alot of maths

Yes ogryns

[thick rose]

... lmao

[tall torrent]

The play testers, to my knowledge, are far better than the avg DT player

[terse idol]

Not taking it

[tall torrent]

They’re a lot more knowledgeable as well

[gilded raft]

Shredder pistol build is as follows: recycle for plasteel

[arctic rampart]

Hey hey shredder is getting buffs

[fresh nova]

That wasn’t the question anon.

[fresh nova]

Getting ready for it

[tall torrent]

There’re like a combined total of 4.5 people in this community that understand how stagger actually works in this game

[terse idol]

It is an answer

[arctic rampart]

Shredder might not be bad vs flak, carapace, horde, and bosses now. Pick 3?

[terse idol]

Really?

I missed that

[fresh nova]

Heretic read the dev notes

[gilded raft]

Can't read sah!

[tall torrent]

3 of those people are in play testing I think

[arctic rampart]

https://www.playdarktide.com/news/early-balance-look-nightmares-and-visions ```Hipfire Mode

Adjusted the movement speed curve to be slightly slower when starting to shoot, but significantly faster on prolonged shooting.

Hipfire & Braced Fire Modes

Attack power distribution from (40,80) to (50,95).
Finesse multiplier from (0.3,0.9) to (0.5,1.5).

[tall torrent]

The remaining 1.5 are making guides

[fresh nova]

For the Emperor!

[kind scarab]

I'm the .5 cause

[thick rose]

its wild that the dueling sword heavy staggers ragers

[kind scarab]

Cause I know exactly enough to know it exists and how to maybe get it to work

[thick rose]

as if it wanst strong enough

[arctic rampart]

big stagger number makes score go up in scoreboard. grug understand!

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t?

[thick rose]

it knocks them on they ass

you can dodge slide back and heavy anyway so it doesnt need it

its just funny

[tall torrent]

Duelling sword heavy doesn’t stagger ragers

Duelling sword doesn’t heavy stagger ragers

[thick rose]

I fucken gamble my life that it knocks them

[kind scarab]

You'd lose that gamble I'd say

[radiant chasm]

you know you are supposed to use

special

to stagger ragers

right?

[tall torrent]

Are u prepared to barrel yourself

[lusty ether]

don't need to stagger them if you give their brains a little scrambling with a poke or two

👈 👈

[arctic rampart]

Why stagger whn u can kill

[kind scarab]

Well said

[thick rose]

unles its some interaction I will never care enoug habout that is getting whatever that system does it to do ti

I know I knocked a rager to the ground with a stab from a a mk4 tonight

[arctic rampart]

Was probably VoC

[thick rose]

fuck off haha

cunt 😄

[terse idol]

Well TO BE FAIR

Control

Its why rashad PA is so good vs ragers

Cause that much staggers them

[tall torrent]

nope, smth else hit it

on its own, not possible

[thick rose]

shrug. I am such an anti theory craft vibe player Ill accept someone I dont knows comment.

[steep flower]

[thick rose]

I know I can block push attack or dodge slide back frag or way I dont reemeber but will do in a pinch player I dont eve ncare

I swear I did though XD

[tall torrent]

duelling sword heavy cannot stagger rager

duelling sword cannot heavy stagger rager at all either

[thick rose]

ok

maybe an ogryn wit ha shield was behind every time by some insane cosmic chance

and it warped my perception of reality

[steep flower]

It was VoC

[thick rose]

lol no

IM NOT INSNAE YOU ARE INSANE

😉

[tall torrent]

so about that

[thick rose]

hero

is bolter even good with weapon specialist?

or does it need its own setup?

[terse idol]

Drawspeed is decroted imo

Maybe okay with increased swap speed

[grand perch]

doesnt really profit a lot from it imo

[tall torrent]

nah

[tall torrent]

yez

[thick rose]

always gonna max frag. so focus target style?

[gilded raft]

I like combining a brittle + bleed mag dump bolter with a brittle + bleed chain axe with extra grenadier frags as a nice thematic weapon specialist build

[tall torrent]

boltgun is best with exe + focus target imo

meets all of its breakpoints and massively increases its dps

it's a very point hungry gun

[terse idol]

I'm just cooking on the uhh

[thick rose]

spose if I can run a helbore for fun I can give up voc for fun

[terse idol]

Surgical + ....something bolter build rn

[tall torrent]

surgical on boltgun doesn't matter too much with exe stance

[terse idol]

Hmm

[thick rose]

so puncture or calvalcade then?

[terse idol]

Could you just go like Shattering impact and puncture

[tall torrent]

pinning fire + puncture for exe stance

surgical + puncture for non-exe stance

[thick rose]

mk6 dagger with uncanny + riposte - what perks?

[wanton dawn]

Not that i disagree but numbers

[tall torrent]

pretty sure it hits even flamer & gunner bodyshot 1 taps with pinning fire + exe stance

[wanton dawn]

That'd be on the back of a 5% dmg increase. It is within buffing error

[tall torrent]

yea puncture sends it over

[wanton dawn]

Oh well. Ill try it later, i am using non ads more lately

[dry cloak]

i use surg and shattering impact on bolter for exe stance

100% crits gameing

[thick rose]

you mind screen-capping your bolter exe stance talent tree?

[wanton dawn]

Shattering doesnt really make sense over pinning me think

Bolter is like, baseline over diminishing return

[tall torrent]

last 2 points up to u

I think the best picks here would be
twinned blast
the bigger they are (ogryn refresh exe stance)
enhanced target priority (useful for vent purge / lights out)

melee is heavy sword IX

it's just for horde clear and fending off ragers

[wanton dawn]

Funny, i use a different version

Lot of free point in this one

Turn out i dont need reload help

[tall torrent]

max pinning fire can 1 bodyshot flamer

[hasty grove]

Does anyone have recommendations for a good VoC build!

?*

i like the funny voicelines

[wanton dawn]

Oh, or maybe i am mixing with my havoc voc version

Then i guess i grab the reload on rlite kill

Oh well. It is deadshot version

That s what i use for vent purge and blackout mods

[wanton dawn]

Every* good build use voc

Need to be more specific

[thick rose]

then I guess its if you want weapon specialist or focus target

[wanton dawn]

Daring are we

[thick rose]

and then its if you want like plasma, bolt pistol, revolver or like recon las maybe...

[arctic rampart]

if you're asking about builds, you should use VoC and either WS or focus

[wanton dawn]

It is more about favorite weapons

[arctic rampart]

if you're a new player its not

Darktides on sale for the first time in a while might actually get some new players.. be kind 🙂

[thick rose]

rules out weapon special

[arctic rampart]

new players dont know how to bind focus to mouse wheel so just go with no keystone then ? heh

[wanton dawn]

Well, i stay by my point: voc can be slapped on every vet build

[thick rose]

I like the real split up IAG build for normal dom still

[hollow ibex]

vet tree needs a fucking rework

[arctic rampart]

I was trying to make onslaught not feel like ass even with recon but couldn't figure it out.

its just so expensive man

[thick rose]

fully admitting I am a moron I still run this with agrip IAG

on ez games

[wanton dawn]

I should play the iag sometimes

[arctic rampart]

after superiority complex get the +25 toughness and melee crit opposite onslaught

nm im an idiot. you went marksman focus. I never go that route, I thought there was 2 spots after sup. ignore!

[thick rose]

ill could try it

[faint beacon]

Less rework, more just QOL shuffling

Point tax is the only issue vet suffers from

[thick rose]

I like how deadly the IAG can feel

you can one shot elites a lot

(HS)

[arctic rampart]

Nah mb. I love desperado (melee crit/finesse) & trench fighter (10% as) too much, and misread your pic

[faint beacon]

Also I’ll admit if it was the other two variants I’d understand onslaught

But running rending strikes with AIAG is generally better

[wanton dawn]

Vet needs talent rebalance more than rework me think

Mf is crap. Voc too stronk

[arctic rampart]

Same problem as recon right shooting crushers is fun but just melee them

[faint beacon]

Vet is fine it’s literally just balance weaker things

[wanton dawn]

Exe unusable in havoc

[faint beacon]

Rework MMF

[dry cloak]

give an idea please

[faint beacon]

and then the talent tree itself just needs changing for the sake of point tax being cut slightly

[wanton dawn]

Do stuff in melee

[arctic rampart]

See I knew you guys wanted darktide community balanced

[faint beacon]

Anything that doesn’t punish you for pressing the W key

[dry cloak]

fair

[faint beacon]

Like I kid you not I’m perfectly content with it strictly being a ranged buff

It pisses me off beyond belief that if you even move once

Instantly stacks decay

In a “im Gale and I’m biased towards my guns playstyle world”

[dry cloak]

as long as i have enemies nearby i have hard time not havong 10 stacks

[faint beacon]

I’d want MMF to be reworked to where it does this

You get 1 stack per Weakspot hit

2-3 on kill

Decays if you miss weakpots at all

Punishes bad aim

Rewards consistent headshots

[hollow ibex]

and rebalance the ults lol

[wanton dawn]

It be even less picked

[hollow ibex]

and yeah MF

so.... basically a rework

[faint beacon]

Console players in shambles

[wanton dawn]

Lets improve a keystone by making it even worse and volatile

[arctic rampart]

It'd be cool if it was some kind of crit thing instead of be a turret

[wanton dawn]

Currently it is basically a unreliable dmg buff for high finesse auto weapon

And ammo hoose

[thick rose]

vet tree is 'OK' at some point there needs to be pressure for them to stop reworking and make a new tree or class

[arctic rampart]

Or you get a fuckton of finesses shoot/stab fast biattch

[faint beacon]

Zealot needs it next

Veteran can go without it tbh lmao

[wanton dawn]

Mf needs rework to be viable. Vet tree is fine.

[dry cloak]

there wont be a new class

[arctic rampart]

I'm finally starting to only see like 1 other vet in my games, not counting bots from when auric survivors go down in minute 2 and rage quit

[thick rose]

I have fun with vet on more than one build. nothing will ever be perfect

game is so dead atm its kinda weird - its a very observable cycle on steam stat websites pre-patch

[kind scarab]

@grand perch If you're not in a mission, mind sending me your cowboy pistol perks

Gonna do it for the funni

[terse idol]

They should rework vet ults

[kind scarab]

Nuhuh

Don't you invoke that curse you tiny lil scaley gremlin

It's the only class where I actually enjoy all three of the ults

[glacial sigil]

Full vet squad with randos

[faint beacon]

Zealot with
Throwing if you don’t use, abysmal dog shit, abysmal dog shit

[terse idol]

[grand perch]

unyield + crit on mine

[faint beacon]

This is why me and @kind scarab should beat you with rocks

[kind scarab]

I couldn't bring myself to do that, they're smol and tiny

Too adorable to toss rocks at

[kind scarab]

Oh perfect, I did the same thing

[kind scarab]

Great minds I suppose

[grand perch]

copydoc spotted

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/beating-cristi-memri-gif-25663599

[terse idol]

Nooo not the rocks!

[kind scarab]

I don't think you can cure being small with beating them up

That's how you compress stuff

[faint beacon]

Memri TV is a gold mine of just hilarious shit

[terse idol]

Me as I swap from "Don't kill me im just a little guy" to "I've committed various war crimes"

[kind scarab]

It's fine, you're small so it's expected

Me handing Smudgels a weapon because it'd be hilarious

[faint beacon]

You’re a lvl 1 kobold I can simply glare at you and you’ll explode

[terse idol]

😌

[grand perch]

no bullying the kobolds sir

[kind scarab]

Maybe a little bully

But only like this

[kind scarab]

[uncut pebble]

Unless he's a 3.5e kobold.

If ykyk.

[faint beacon]

I’m going to bully him

[terse idol]

Me dying rapidly on the daily

[kind scarab]

Smudge has lots of wounds, so they'll be fine

[faint beacon]

6 wound veteran

@terse idol are these allegations true

[terse idol]

[dry cloak]

how bad is plasma plus exe stance

[grand perch]

no new breakpoints achieved iirc

[dry cloak]

wall hack achieved

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent bruh, this game is soo poorly optimized that even on my 9070 XT it fluctuates at low from 80-300 FPS 💀

I had to put the FSR at BALANCED to keep the FPS on the lows above 165 fps

[neon current]

am I seeing ghosts, or krak doesn't stick to pus hardened monsters?

[orchid hemlock]

I'm actually thinking about lowering the resolution back to 1080p and using super resolution to scale it back up

Don't yall love 2025 gaming 😎

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s why I’m always hesitant to go with AMD

[orchid hemlock]

It's not AMD's fault, I had the same problem with my 2060

[tall torrent]

Isn’t there FSR4 override for AMD’s 9070 variants

[tall torrent]

Ik this game optimized poorly lol u don’t need to remind me

I’m getting a 2nd hand pre-build pc right from my friend soon

4070ti super
i7-13700f
48gb ram reflex
2tb ssd

Maybe I’ll finally be able to not play at 6fps when ogryn box goes off

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-it-sponge-bob-gif-5332916

[tall torrent]

Hey going from 6fps to 12fps is like +100% the performance

[orchid hemlock]

Yes FSR 4 looks nice

Just how bad the lows are in Darktide is shocking

[faint beacon]

I will make the PC nuker build

Solely to stress test your rig

LMAO

[tall torrent]

My laptop without frame gen at 60fps cap can drop as low as 37fps in basic horde

It’s kinda crazy

Also u sure it’s not a cpu issue?

Check ur cpu drivers maybe they need updating

[outer wolf]

Is Rending Strikes worth?

[tall torrent]

Depends on weapon

[outer wolf]

Bolt pistol + Shovel

[tall torrent]

No

[dry cloak]

devil claw plus laspitol?

[outer wolf]

Which ones are good?

[tall torrent]

Yes
But u would have no carapace damage anyway

[tall torrent]

Mainly automatic weapons

[dry cloak]

kraks

[tall torrent]

Weapons that rly suck vs specific armor type benefits most from rending/brittleness

[tall torrent]

Not a real answer to crusher groups

[outer wolf]

Does recon lasgun count as automatic? Or do you mean vraks, etc...

[tall torrent]

Recon is full auto, yes

[faint beacon]

Vigils benefit from it as well

Other than that basically any auto

[grand perch]

laptop gaming

[tall torrent]

It is what it is

[grand perch]

literally 1918

we can all go home, great war's done

[dry cloak]

my love for vigil autos is reignited

bolter is getting shelved

[merry gale]

i remember back when that cap dropped

i thought we'd get proper valhallan

https://tenor.com/view/kill-the-rot-goofy-goober-silly-schizophrenia-gif-12414327510351470727

[grand perch]

haha no

youre getting stewardess cap and youre gonna like it

[gilded wraith]

Target Down or Field Improv for my last point?

[dry cloak]

field improv

[stuck tree]

Letting y’all know the ammo is mine

[kind scarab]

Nah, I'm gonna eat it

[stuck tree]

I ate it before you said that

[kind scarab]

Dangit

[dry cloak]

Kraks are yum

[kind scarab]

And he ate the kraks!

Now I'm gonna have to eat the leftovers

Guess I'll survive off of improvised medkits

And loose stims

[stuck tree]

Good

[gilded wraith]

Loose stims... the untold horror of sewer produced drugs

[stuck tree]

Heh

[gilded wraith]

That Valk ride back with the Ogryn ain't no picknick.

[faint beacon]

Can’t wait to die exactly before the 11th hour on Nov 11th

[kind scarab]

Sorry you ain't got permission to die

Your death privilages have been revoked

[faint beacon]

All quiet on the western front says otherwise

[kind scarab]

Head back to hanger delta-42 to get your next set of hotshot packs

[stuck tree]

[grand perch]

hello there Henry Nicholas John Gunther

[uncut pebble]

@faint beacon can you sc shock trooper from paths guide rq pls, I would but the link doesn't work on mobile.

[faint beacon]

I’m at work give me like 15 mins

I’ll be home then

[uncut pebble]

Thanks big man, I'm at work for 3 more hours.

:(

8-7 is a weird shift.

[uncut pebble]

Ok this doesn't answer the question I had about the talent...

So ig I'll ask directly. Does it refund ammo to your mag or to your reserves when it procs?

[tall torrent]

neither

[uncut pebble]

Or does it just say "these shots don't eat ammo."

[tall torrent]

it just cuts ammo cost to 0

[uncut pebble]

Mhmm, ok.

Thanks.

I dont play vet with lasweapons enough to know that lol.

[vagrant ibex]

Is stopping power truly important as a stat for autogun ?

[hollow ibex]

yes, unless you don't like doing damage...

[vagrant ibex]

Well, is there a soft cap ?

[hollow ibex]

just be a normal person and dump mobility like everyone else

[vagrant ibex]

Right

[tall torrent]

yes

[frank ether]

its not but its convenient excuse to pretend like anyone at fatshark works at all

[trim steppe]

So close

[trim steppe]

Stopping power affects both damage and stagger, so it is quite important in terms of both damage output and safety. Damage > Stopping Power > the rest

[grand perch]

@tired egret looks upon this and weeps

[uncut pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/bleak-it's-bleak-shaking-head-its-bleak-black-and-white-gif-9592734580409210082

[cerulean verge]

what mark recon laz do you guys recommend

[hollow ibex]

vi or xii

[orchid hemlock]

they are all good

[torn moat]

I'm wanting to switch up my build pattern. I have used autos in a while. Anyone have some good autogun builds? Interested in IAG, BAG, and HH builds.

[trim steppe]

Vraks IAG and Agri BAG are both great. Kill everything but crushers, so they pair well with kraks.

Vraks does more damage but Agri has some penetration so it can punch through chaff better when killing mixed hordes

[surreal gust]

Fire frenzy and dumdum for the vraks if you wanna use it

[uncut pebble]

Vraks doesn't do more damage per shot, it just has a much higher dps.

You will kill more things in less bullets with agri inf, but you will kill faster with vraks.

[trim steppe]

Vraks has higher dps and better finesse scaling I believe

[uncut pebble]

Either way, both are solid choices.

[arctic rampart]

what does Redirect Fire or Fire Team get you on bolt pistol?

for me the cost is survivist or weapon specialist, and demo team to get it so not sure its worth

[uncut pebble]

Post your build.

[arctic rampart]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e70f797-57a0-4f6e-91cd-cabab684d929/bolt-pistol-after-1-round

was thinking since i took elites maybe I dont need whatever breakpoint that gives I'd rather weapon specialist & likely demo team

[trim steppe]

Idk the bolt pistol, but in general I'd definitely rather take weapon spec and demo team, like you said

Could also sneak in out for blood probably

The rest of my team can suck it and lose the 8% damage boost lol

[austere pine]

genuinely, what the hell is achlys good at

i'm out here struggling to kill a medium-sized group of poxwalkers

[radiant chasm]

i'd go puncture over run and gun

one of the few times 4 bleed stacks will help with breakpoints

[arctic rampart]

I'm a big fan of hipfiring so not sure I would... but what breakpoints?

[inland cobalt]

What should be the dump stat on the Plasma Gun? I suspect it's thermal resistance

[austere mica]

Achlys what

[austere pine]

this is the veteran chat

[austere mica]

Ok

Achlys what

[normal bay]

@tired egret

Plasma has no dump stat, those are the two stats that aren't 80

[austere pine]

achlys freaking combat axe

[normal bay]

https://tenor.com/view/eww-gif-8985768279355337139

[inland cobalt]

Dang

[limber quiver]

Am I doing something wrong or does hellbore lasgun just suck

I really like sniping in games but it feels like its way more efficient to just cleave through shit with a recon, or chainsword

[austere pine]

i'm glad i'm not the only one here

it's an acquired taste but also a "either you love it or hate it" kinda thing

it doesn't fulfil the fantasy of sniper, it fulfils the fantasy of "musket", "krieger" and "bayonet"

[elder eagle]

If it didn't have such a ridiculous draw time, it wouldn't be so bad

[dusty lava]

just without the cool noise or badass smoke that muskets exert

[austere pine]

this is 40k. there is no cool "boom" noise we get with guns

[austere pine]

maybe, but if i'm gonna be charging up a shot, it better be a big boom

e.g. plasma, voidstrike, trauma force

[hollow ibex]

the worst is when you need to deal with a pox horde that has a bunch of gunners/shooters in the back line

you have to use your melee to deal with the poxxers

but then drawing the helbore takes forever when you want to deal with the shooters/gunners

and you're prob low on toughness because you need to run exec stance

[elder eagle]

Bolt Pistol is best gun

Just wish we had scopes already

[dusty lava]

bolter

[elder eagle]

Same problem as the herlbore. Takes 5 minutes to pull it out and use it

[faint meadow]

been gone since before the Masteries, what is recommended Blessing focus for the Dagger.

[elder eagle]

focus?

[arctic rampart]

under pinned click the guide and scroll down a few pages, click on the combat blade

that one has a variety of options and the 2 marks are both usable. be sure to also use the key talent recommendations

[hollow ibex]

it's way faster than helbore

actually not that bad

[elder eagle]

I admit you're right, but I am completely against long draw times as a method of balance

[hollow ibex]

i don't mind bolter drawtimes but helbore's too much

feels dependant on ES

[elder eagle]

Helbore isn't effective enough to justify the draw time

[hollow ibex]

it's very strong, just a real pain in the ass to use

[elder eagle]

You already need to charge the shot for it to do any good damage, and any higher level games will have so many enemy guns in a single room that taking the time to draw, aim, and charge leave almost any other weapon as a better option

[shadow dagger]

was it just ranged toughness damage that refilled stamina up to half

or is it all toughness dmg

[austere pine]

for..?

[shadow dagger]

what?

[austere pine]

for what

[shadow dagger]

wym for what

[elder eagle]

Your question was confusing, what do you mean ranged toughness that refills to half?

[shadow dagger]

am I hallucinating the word stamina in my own message

[elder eagle]

sure, I missed that word, but it doesn't help

[shadow dagger]

[ranged] toughness damage

refills your stamina

up to 50% of your stamina bar

is it all toughness damage

or only ranged

@tall torrent hi hello I have a possibly weirdly worded question

[tall torrent]

Wot

[shadow dagger]

read slightly above

[faint beacon]

asking how getting shot gives you stamina

TLDR

[elder eagle]

The perk?

or, talent

[faint beacon]

Its a game mechanic

[shadow dagger]

it isn't a perk or talent

[elder eagle]

I've never experienced that

[tall torrent]

Innately, all classes gain 1 bar of stamina per damage instance received when they have <50% of their max stamina

[shadow dagger]

oh so it's all damage taken regardless of source or toughness

neat

[tall torrent]

Any damage

Toughness damage included

[shadow dagger]

how long is the chaos spawn grab cooldown

10s?

[tawny badger]

wait you gain stamina when you get hit?

[shadow dagger]

[tall torrent]

Are we all playing the same game

[shadow dagger]

I vaguely remember reading one exception to the minimum dodge distance required to be considered dodging thing

[tame lodge]

Below 50% stamina

[shadow dagger]

was it mutie grabs?

or was it something else

where you could dodge into a wall or a corner and still dodge it

[stuck tree]

Cat is name Uni born in japan March 27th 2020 Minuet cat

[trim badger]

guys it's in the shop the famous perfect roll plasma111111!!!!!

I'm so close of being free...

[stuck tree]

reall

[midnight totem]

are you free

are you really free?

[pallid jetty]

you're not free until you get all penances

saying as a guy who has 2 left

[trim badger]

I'm scared

[stuck tree]

u got this

[trim steppe]

Which 2

[pallid jetty]

20 weekly havocs and true survivor

[stuck tree]

gonna take a while for me to do this

[trim steppe]

Slackin on TS

[pallid jetty]

well, its either disconnects or shit team

[trim steppe]

I probably should have guessed the weekly havoc cache one

[faint beacon]

At this point I dont think so

[pallid jetty]

or even me

once i got stuck on a corner

like, when you drop to the next patch of a mission

and i couldnt get out

[trim steppe]

My teammate once got stuck inside a medicae machine

[pallid jetty]

but with a good connection and good team its pretty easy

[narrow frost]

Sorry

[pallid jetty]

ill get it after the ogryn update

[trim steppe]

I have about 20 penances left and all of them are just "kill x things" or "complete x mission modifiers"

[pallid jetty]

i just cant go high havocs on not ogryn

im feeling too insecure without shield

[trim steppe]

Just be zealot and dance in the wind

[pallid jetty]

no

[trim steppe]

Fair nuff

[opaque violet]

what blessing are ideal for tactical ax on veteran? I was thinking brutal momentum with either slaughter spree or shred

[narrow frost]

BM Headtaker

flak unarmoured

[glacial sigil]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b87b5fd-c1aa-4605-9515-e5f762e17a52/stormtrooper-veteran-krak-grenade-voice-of-command-weapon-specialist
This is what I've been using, idk if it's good tho

but it's fun

[opaque violet]

thank you

[glacial sigil]

Once I'm level 30 I'll try more builds

[opaque violet]

what mark? set to achlys mk viii right now

[narrow frost]

2 or 7

[opaque violet]

thanks again

my bad, wass set to 2, was looking at the wrong weapon

[orchid hemlock]

Ah gameslantern

My arch enemy 🚬

[hollow ibex]

hey this is a top tier build by gameslantern standards

[orchid hemlock]

wait don't tell me this is a top rated build

[hollow ibex]

oh i have no idea, but the build is actually not bad for a gameslantern build

[austere mica]

It isn't even that bad (apart from the AI banner image)

[hollow ibex]

i've seen this build posted a few times here, so i assume it's fairly popular

[hollow ibex]

yeah that badly generated AI banner image jfc

[glacial sigil]

Sorry bruh idk how to make builds yet and idk where else to find new ones lol

[hollow ibex]

what sort of build you looking for?

and gameslantern builds tend to be... bad

[glacial sigil]

I like a nice variety ngl
These are the only builds I've tried so far

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a58b877-f385-40dd-a4cc-d8198b4a6688/invincible-vet-clutch-master

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b87b5fd-c1aa-4605-9515-e5f762e17a52/stormtrooper-veteran-krak-grenade-voice-of-command-weapon-specialist

I'm having a lot of fun with the infiltrate + revolver build so far tho

[stuck tree]

wow

so handsome

[glacial sigil]

down the line I'll try out builds for the powersword, a sniper build with the lasgun and maybe a powersword build

idk what's possible with the veteran

Coz when I played Zealot he only had like one main path on the skill tree

[hollow ibex]

zealot has like 3 builds lol

and minor variations of it

vet has a lot more options

[glacial sigil]

wait he has more than one build? 😭

[hollow ibex]

if you want to try something unique, try this

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e12d775-939b-4268-985f-57c11a884caa/brrrrrrt

[glacial sigil]

what are the others, I need to know

[hollow ibex]

not the easiest to play, but surprisingly effective

[hollow ibex]

the main difference is just the keystone you take lol

the top 2/3rds of the tree are the same

[glacial sigil]

oh lmao

[hollow ibex]

there's just some variation if you do BP, marty, or IJ

that's about it

and ig there's a havoc book build too

so 4 builds technically

[glacial sigil]

I know there's a chastise and a chorus build

idk if zealots use his version of infiltrate or nah

[hollow ibex]

ok yeah that makes five builds

shroudfield can be pretty funny

[gritty mural]

people use shroudfield sometimes but not as much as the other two

[glacial sigil]

is it better than infiltrate?

[gritty mural]

yes because it has better uptime

[hollow ibex]

yea with zealot regen talents you can get it back up in like... seconds lol

[glacial sigil]

I see

I always thought Zealot = melee and vet = ranged

but I've been doing so much melee with vet

[hollow ibex]

vet's kinda misleading

it's more of a hybrid class than a shooter class

[glacial sigil]

yeah, my initial hours with Vet just fucked me up lol

I kept going down

[gritty mural]

infiltrate gives you full toughness on use and makes you invisible with a 45 secone cooldown... while his other talent VOC gives you full golden toughness on a 30 second cooldown...

[hollow ibex]

voc is stupid broken

[glacial sigil]

level 1 vet was sooooooooooo bad compared to level 24 and I kept dying at difficulty 2

[gritty mural]

infiltrate gets the short end of the stick for some reason because of fatshark balancing

[glacial sigil]

infiltrate is so cool though :(

[glacial sigil]

isn't zealot also kinda hybrid?

[hollow ibex]

i main infil, i need it to get buffed

[austere mica]

Not in the slightest

You have

2

Ranged related nodes

[hollow ibex]

you can, but it's much weaker than vet in that regard

[austere mica]

Your job is to stab shit

[hollow ibex]

yeah and they're kidna out of the way

[glacial sigil]

gotcha

yeah I barely pull out the glock as Zealot

[austere mica]

Yeah you have Tknives

[hollow ibex]

i've gone games where i just never take out my ranged weapon as zealot

[glacial sigil]

just a laspistol to sometimes shoot a sniper or something

[hollow ibex]

besides tknives yeah

[glacial sigil]

if we have no vet

[hollow ibex]

tknife is the only ranged wep you need on zealot, gonna be real

[glacial sigil]

yeah there's literally a node for it

[austere mica]

Zealot secondary slot goes to something that complements your melee deficiency, which is usually bolter or flamer

[full nacelle]

Anyone know where I can find all the ranged weapons finesse multipliers?

[glacial sigil]

Btw doesn't this help for infil?

[hollow ibex]

mandatory no matter which build you have

[glacial sigil]

Gotcha

[hollow ibex]

both tac awareness and the node under that, iron will

they're very important for vet

[glacial sigil]

I love the grenade regen and tac awareness nodes so much

[hollow ibex]

(and it's part of the reason why the middle tree is so damn good)

[full nacelle]

I really don't get the point of having patching notes showing finesse multipliers when there is no documentation on how the scaling actually works

classic Fatshark

does anyone know how significant the jump from .9 to 1.5 for shredder autopistols is?

[hollow ibex]

@tall torrent

[trim badger]

Big oof

[orchid hemlock]

Gameslantern is not the place unfortunately 💀

Well, at least not the "top builds"

It's still a useful tool for sharing builds

[full nacelle]

Honestly this build is good. Very standard meta build.

You can never go wrong with the Vraks

the best way to design builds is based on what weapons you want to use

[glacial sigil]

I was looking for a recon lasgun + executioner stance build, a proper ranged build

[glacial sigil]

Hmm so I was only playing with Vraks coz an assault rifle was just familiar from any other game
But I wanna try other weapons now
The knife/zarona + infiltrate build was super fun

probably something new like bolt pistol or bolter, recon lasgun or anything else ig

[full nacelle]

Recon lasgun isn't really a gun you'd run with executioner's stance but I'm sure you could do it

[full nacelle]

Vraks is a great gun for learning the game! It's STUPID strong in every aspect. It does get boring after a while though.

[full nacelle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d21dd34-607e-4db4-aa99-a4597b3ff2cb/firethelaser

Recon build. Another very strong meta build. Super easy to use. Just shoot like crazy, burn stuff, voice of command is broken.

[glacial sigil]

thanks I'll try this soon!

can I actually start moving away from vraks now that I'm level 25 or do I gotta wait till I'm 30? 😭

[full nacelle]

Sure thing! As far as bolt pistol and bolter go, bolt pistol is great for grenadier builds. The lethal proximity blessing makes all your grenades radiuses much bigger so you can stack a ton of talents to spam Shredders like crazy.

Honestly, before level 30 you should be experimenting with all the guns. Once you hit 30 and have a better feel for what you like and how to survive in higher difficulties you can get experimental.

People usually use meta setups like the Vraks to carry them through higher difficulties until they're comfortable trying the more off-meta stuff

[glacial sigil]

the early levels were so bad so I didn't try experimenting

waiting for emperor to drop me good stuff

Can I also have an exec stance build? I wanna finish the penance for that cool cosmetic

[full nacelle]

I could give you my Vraks exe stance build but it's a weird one

[full nacelle]

https://youtu.be/e8Jk5iG0VPU

[glacial sigil]

Sure why the hell not lmao

[full nacelle]

Vraks works great with exe stance. My build here is all about just maximum vraks damage by taking deadshot and BLASTING through my stamina and refilling it with my other talents/blessings.

Honestly, it's added complexity you don't need but it IS very fun/strong if you can manage it...

Otherwise just drop deadshot and you'll still do a shitload of damage without having to worry about stamina management

but at that point you might as well just take your meta build and just swing over to exe stance instead of voice of command

[glacial sigil]

I'll try it out, I have maxed out the vraks mastery lmao

might as well

ngl vraks + voc is so... boring ;-;

[full nacelle]

Yeah... I am not a fan of the meta setups

I've seen people give my build shit because "Deadshot so bad" but it makes the BRRRRR gun do even more damage

[hollow ibex]

stick voc into any build and it becomes boring

[full nacelle]

and actually makes using the vraks a fun little challenge

[glacial sigil]

in my defense I did need it coz I had no idea what else to do lmao

[glacial sigil]

It's really cool ngl but it gets a lil boring

at least fury makes you Z O O M

[hollow ibex]

yeah lol

[glacial sigil]

I do love the voice lines

NO DYING TILL I SAY SO

[full nacelle]

Nothing wrong with that! If people enjoy meta setups or just want something easier to play with, more power to them.

I'm just a masochist who enjoys putting weird shit together and making it work

I like min-maxing off-meta builds

[glacial sigil]

I'll probably also come back to them when I've had a long day or something lmao

but trying out new things is what I find fun in any game so I'll always prioritize fun

what even are the downsides of voc tho, why is it this strong 😭

infiltrate is much more fun in comparision

[full nacelle]

Well sheeit, I've got about 20 different vet builds. Been trying to get back into making more build content on youtube if you're interested.

[glacial sigil]

I'll check your whole channel out ngl

[full nacelle]

There are literally no downsides. The only downside is if you take the talent that makes it revive people. Then it becomes slightly less broken.

It's a trap node

[glacial sigil]

dude this EATS through ammo holy shit lmao

[glacial sigil]

yeah but why would you lmao

[hollow ibex]

revive voc might be the most painful ult setup you can go with tbh

it's straight up worse than taking voc with no subnodes

[full nacelle]

It's not something I would take when running with a bunch of other vets, but the damage is so high you should be clearing stuff fast enough that ammo isn't a problem

[glacial sigil]

but tbf with randos you never know what you get

[full nacelle]

True. I run pretty much exclusively auric maelstroms where players tend to be decent.

But yeah I got two other builds up on my youtube so far... Support shotgun build and full supression infiltrate brauto build

both are very fun and very unique

definitely have more of a learning curve to them then your standard vraks build though

[summer lance]

wouldn't that work though? how much of a difference is the 1 point between 71 charge and 69 thermal, as opposed to 70 in both?

[dry cloak]

Not much youre good

[summer lance]

huh
why exactly is it 69 thermal 71 charge then? wouldn't it make more sense to be 70 each?

[dry cloak]

Its the most optimal stat spread. Having both 70 is not much different

[summer lance]

but how different is it? do you get an extra shot? would you get an extra shot going to 70 or above 70 heat resist?

[hollow ibex]

it very slightly minutely impacts firerate

[grand perch]

69 thermal is the point where you get the maximum amount of left clicks before it overheats

[hollow ibex]

it won't impact the number of shots

[dry cloak]

Thx guys

[summer lance]

i get 8 spammed left click shots before being blocked by overheat on my plasma gun with 80 in thermal resist
do you get the same amount of shots on a gun with 70 or 69 in thermal resist
also, does charge rate only affect the right click, or does it also affect left click as well, because i almost never find myself using the charge much

[grand perch]

charge applies to both firemodes

which is why you want as much as possible (71) while keeping 8 shots with 69 therm resist

its actually a decimal but dont worry about that

[kind scarab]

Nice

That's 100% a huge docket sink

Trying to roll specifically for 69

[summer lance]

so the difference between 71 and 70 charge is literally nothing?

while 69 and above is 8 shots?

also, just found out in the psykanium, to reduce the reloasd time on plasma gun, on each reload stage, instead of quick swapping the weapon, you can just sprint instead

teeny tiny bit faster

trying to get back into veteran again because its my least played class

[grand perch]

next to nothing

[summer lance]

good to know, wont have to cringe whenever i see my plasma gun with an odd stat

[unreal nova]

To be fair, most won't notice a diff to most stats that isn't damage and finesse.

[grizzled pebble]

What about 72?

[unreal nova]

You just got lucky reeeeeeeeeeee

[kind scarab]

Mobility go brrrrrr

[grizzled pebble]

No im just rich. I could spend all 25 mils docket to get a good plasma eventually

[summer lance]

whats the difference between a 70 charge rate and a 60 charge rate gun though?

[kind scarab]

All the speed, knife run time

[unreal nova]

Only really noticeable on knoife, DS and Powersword.

[kind scarab]

If I recall correctly, the shredder smg had silly movement speed max as well

[unreal nova]

Two is faster and one is less slow.

[summer lance]

infinite loading is awesome because not even my disconnect mod that is supposed to get me OUT of that works while its happening

[kind scarab]

But you can't do movement tech like with knoife

[unreal nova]

Still. 25 mils and nil is possible.

[unreal nova]

DS has it as well, just harder to do on controller.

[grizzled pebble]

Id just quit and uninstall if that was ever to happen. Maybe 0.000001% chance

[unreal nova]

You are talking to someone who burns 2 mil to get the normal 60 mobility.

[grizzled pebble]

How?

That's a under 1 mil job

[unreal nova]

No luck queen as my GF says.

[dry cloak]

its also noticeable on oggies knife and shockmaul

[unreal nova]

Is why I keep asking you for auric carries for dockets.

[grizzled pebble]

[unreal nova]

I don't play oggy. Smaul is slow enough and is weak enough to be bleah.

[grizzled pebble]

No u

[unreal nova]

I don't carry. Best you get is panic clutch on the worst builds ever. Ask @kind scarab

Partially because IDK how to use heavier weapons.

[dry cloak]

i love shockmaul

so i wont accept any slander in its direction

[unreal nova]

I just hate how I need to bonk double the amount to kill the same thing.

[grizzled pebble]

I am only sedition level player.

[unreal nova]

Stop lying reeeeeeeeeeee

[grizzled pebble]

[dry cloak]

yesterday i was better than her while lagging

with vigil auto

[grizzled pebble]

You're lucky she's not trying

[unreal nova]

I was playing penance builds.

So the rare times I'm on Fury or Stealth.

Which doesn't work on knoife or DS4 for me reeeeeeeeeeee

Backstab no 1 hit somehow reeeeeeeeeeee

Need to crit or bust.

[unreal nova]

Also, I had ping lag. Just not as much as the usual.

[dry cloak]

aye

[kind scarab]

Yeah, she went full sicko mode on a bunch of bulwarks + ragers + horde while everyone else was dead

WHILE she was pushed up against a wall

Absolutely thrashed them, while the whole room was filling with pox fog

And then revived us, calling herself trash at the game

Made us all look like scrubs

[stoic thorn]

What's the dump stat for heavy sword

Defences?

[dry cloak]

yep

[grizzled pebble]

She shittalks me whilst carrying me through h40 every week. What a kind gentle lady

[unreal nova]

Because I am am trash. I'm the bottom barrel heresy* player.

[kind scarab]

Ikr?

She keeps saying exactly that

[unreal nova]

WDYM? You carry me through H40.

[grizzled pebble]

Don't be modest

[unreal nova]

Or Syllo.

[kind scarab]

Then clutches, and tells us she has no reflexes or aiming

And tells us she's using controller, after landing insane shots

[unreal nova]

I don't have reflexes and can't aim. Have you tried using a controller to aim?

[kind scarab]

See what I mean

Making us mouse + keyboard users feel incompetent

[unreal nova]

[kind scarab]

😔

She booli us to make us play better

[grizzled pebble]

[unreal nova]

[unreal nova]

You all bulli me instead. Like Stompty and Chonky.

[wind warren]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-40k-warhammer-darktide-gif-26929721

[stuck tree]

Trust

[kind scarab]

I haven't bullied you about anything other than telling me you're a heresy player!

[primal fable]

She play train

on sedition 😭

[tough tiger]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1111141571132407859/1225684432447344640/attachment-3-1.gif

[primal fable]

[unreal nova]

Because I am. I can't even carry 3 goofs on Heresy. Though running stealth loner was a bad idea for penance. But they couldn't scan while I killed stuff reeeeeeeeeeee

[kind scarab]

All I'm hearing is that you only clutch for people who don't suck

[placid swan]

Worth or nah?

[kind scarab]

Ouch that poor finesse

I'd say nah

[placid swan]

Figured on a melee weapon that'd be an oof

[gilded raft]

cleave damage is the dump stat here. Hard pass on that

[kind scarab]

Need me my crusher HS damage

[placid swan]

Got it, thanks

[dense tartan]

I'm also pretty bad. I play with a gamepad. I can only really clutch when I play zealot.

Through I've have clutched with all classes, zealot definitely does more to do it.

[dense tartan]

Where did you get the extra 1% from?

[gilded raft]

it's a rounding error because fatshark can't do numbers properly and they trip over floating point errors in 2025

[placid swan]

Not sure, it was on Melks Ah thanks Grizzly

Also, I've been playing around with both the Mk 9 and Mk 7 lasguns... Never having to worry about ammo on the Mk9 is such a boon...

Keeping in mind, Im using the rash combat axe for carapace dmg. Otherwise my devil's claw is -really- nice for horde clear.

Not sure if giving up that carapace dmg and relying upon my team is a good idea.

[slow sky]

A proper Rashad is still leagues better at horde clear than devils claw tho

[placid swan]

For a lore friendly cadian guardsman, is the dumpstat on the shovel mobility?

[kind scarab]

Yes

[placid swan]

So close... yet so far away.

[dry cloak]

Devilnclaw 7 my beloved

[tender rose]

I'd dump defense over mobility but that's me

The difference between defense at 80 vs 60 is minor. The difference between mobility at 60 vs 80 is massive.

[jaunty sphinx]

ok I think I love bolt pistol and psword

this is what I needed to enjoyt vet again

[kind scarab]

How are ya running the Bistol?

Run and gun like a maniac, or slow and personal like a revolver?

[unreal nova]

I mean, I expect you all to be fine. .-.

[jaunty sphinx]

kind of a mix of both, its an insanely versatile weapon

[unreal nova]

I more in general. I don't want to have to clutch. I like to slack and derp around.

[uncut pebble]

It's not a massive difference, but the stats affected are different, and of the two, defences is the better one to dump.

[kind scarab]

I haven't been able to forgo my revolver so far, but I am definitely trying to love the bolt weapons

[uncut pebble]

Defences affects block efficiency and whatnot, mobility is dodge distance and sprint eff iirc.

[jaunty sphinx]

im using puncture and that one blessing with the close range explosion buff

really good at staggering a crowd of pus hardends

[kind scarab]

Is the explosion actually doing anything, or are you using it to scale something silly like grenades?

[jaunty sphinx]

im using it for stagger

[unreal nova]

It let's you shoot and boom in melee.

Otherwise, it's a 5m to prime.

[jaunty sphinx]

I mean im also using a shitton of grenades but thats unrelated to my bpistol

[kind scarab]

Huh, I haven't used the bolt weapons enough to notice they had an arming distance

Food to know

Good*

[jaunty sphinx]

mhm

[kind scarab]

Stupid autocorrect

[uncut pebble]

Lethal prox is also just stupid good for shredder value.

Otherwise, it's just a stagger button within 5m.

[jaunty sphinx]

mhm

gives really good shredder value

was about to say

[kind scarab]

Wasn't there a blessing people took other than the close range damage blessing for grenades?

[uncut pebble]

Run and gun.

[kind scarab]

Was it dumdum?

[uncut pebble]

The two ways to run bistol are puncture lethal prox or run and gun lethal prox.

And if you aren't running shredders you'd be best to run puncture and run and gun together.

[jaunty sphinx]

lethal prox made me fall in love with this damn thing

[kind scarab]

Noted, try shredder nades + lethal prox

[wild vortex]

if you aren't running shredders.. WHY

[jaunty sphinx]

cant wait for psword to not get deactivated when a poxwalker sneezes in my direction

[uncut pebble]

To put this into perspective of the range you get out of lethal prox, it does the same thing as tinkerer.

So if you run tinkerer and lethal prox you get a massive aoe.

[jaunty sphinx]

krak grenade dopamine builds mostly, but I prefer shredders

[kind scarab]

Supplying the carapace nerds with tons of homemade krak

[uncut pebble]

i.e. hit literally everything in the psykhanium by dropping a shredder dead center.

[jaunty sphinx]

plus its just on demand damage with a reload time that isnt painful

[stuck tree]

ammo is mine

[jaunty sphinx]

idk why I ever stopped playing vet maybe I just didnt like plasma gun

ill prob give plasma gun another chance tho

[placid swan]

Lasgun life!

[stiff glacier]

Lasgun exec stance enjoyers

[lyric portal]

whats the BiS blessings and perks for devil claw and sapper shovel? (need to lvl them up)

[stiff glacier]

Rampage on devils claw

Second is up to preference

I like shred myself

[lyric portal]

shred sounds good

ok thank you, thats what i thought but just wanted to confirm

[stiff glacier]

But i could see savage sweep or the other cleave blessing if you really want to go more horde clear

I think with shovel it really is up to whether you use its heavy attacks or light attacks more which blessings you take

[lyric portal]

i will come back to it when i max up devil claw

[unreal nova]

WDYM? I though I showed you my build and explained it.

[kind scarab]

I forgor

Head empty

And i just finished work

[unreal nova]

.-. BEEG 'nades. Also makes your kraks beeger, but not as much. Goes from like not hitting the dog when you throw krak on the eagle, to hitting dog when throwing there.

[kind scarab]

What does more damage at least?

Like, blessing at least?

[unreal nova]

'Nil. Nothing other than tinkerer increases damage from memory.

[kind scarab]

Thought dumdum helped too

[unreal nova]

Bistol just makes it BEEG.

[kind scarab]

Hmmm, dang

[umbral scaffold]

I'm still into mastering devil claw I went to long with knife and devil claw from my experience is a skill weapon gotta feel the fighting style and possibilities but I'm sure I'm gonna get back to it soon it's hard to really master new weapon since you are used to some type and playing highest difficulties

[vagrant ibex]

I think for a shotgun, 70% is good. Does it really need to full 80% ?

[desert viper]

never felt a change personally

[radiant chasm]

I’d eventually get a mobility dump (or reload speed dump if you want rely entirely on weapon spec)

[vernal trench]

getting disconnected on a duo is crazy

[vagrant ibex]

I dunno, I'm not a great user of shotguns, and I would never think of using it like a sniper. Not even 20 meters away

[grizzled pebble]

No hp damage taken sniper and burster maelstrom Xd

[vagrant ibex]

POV : You shovel is made in Krieg, no defence, all on brutal shovelin'

It's only 430 so no worries once mastered it'll be good

[split fox]

Ahem

I demand more boom boom

[stiff glacier]

Grenade launcher veteran when

[split fox]

Honestly ….. that’s a marvelous idea

[terse idol]

You're kiiinndaa looking for a mobility dump

That's okay though

[split fox]

The solution to my more boom boom problem

[umbral scaffold]

Plasma pistol when

[vagrant ibex]

With a selection between incendiary bomb, explosive bomb, impact bomb and whatnot, possibilities

[stiff glacier]

all special weapon options for sure

[vagrant ibex]

Ye but that's okay with defences at 61% to me

[stiff glacier]

altho we need to steal flamer from zealot

[terse idol]

[vagrant ibex]

Also we need a true machine gun

Autoguns don't really give that vibe to me

Be the damn reject gunner

[umbral scaffold]

If the auto gun does what it's supposed to do it wouldn't be a problem

Supposed to be good for armour

[unreal nova]

Thing is, one of those 80 isn't an 80. Is a 79.5. So in real games, it counts at 79, and you dunno which.

[vagrant ibex]

Yeah but it doesn't have that Pechenek/M60/Browning/M240B/MG3/etc heavy machine gun vibe

[umbral scaffold]

Ahh yes we should get one w a better fire rate

[vagrant ibex]

There might be a mod about that to show it maybe, at this point I don't think a difference of 0,5 is really huge

[unreal nova]

It's a 1 loss. The 60.5 is rounded down as well to 60.

It won't matter too much, unless you OCD as heck.

[vagrant ibex]

I.. learned to not have only rounded numbers on stats

Or with a "5"

[unreal nova]

My OCD hates plasma as well, if I ever bother.

[vagrant ibex]

"Don't look at the number, just at how it seem to behave"

[unreal nova]

I rerolled a combat shotgun, 4 bolt pistols, countless of melees.

Because Hadron.

[vagrant ibex]

Pain

Btw, do killing with a bayonnet, though with a ranged weapon, count as melee kill ?

[unreal nova]

You can test it. I don't use hellbores.

Stab something to death and tab to check the counter for melk.

[vagrant ibex]

Well no luck there was no dregs in this one

Once maxed it should be good, everything 80% (or 79) and the dump at the soft cap 60%

[dry cloak]

for tips ask galeophobia

[terse idol]

We need this baby

[vagrant ibex]

May everyone know, killing with a bayonnet count as melee kill in Melk's contract

[terse idol]

A bayonett is a melee weapon

It also activates agile engagement