veteran-class

[crimson mica]

Do you have one? I'm trying to master the weapon.

[unreal nova]

I don't. I ping Papa to drop his cos I personally can't use Hellbore or plasma.

Both have the same issue for me.

[crimson mica]

The charge between shots?

[tall torrent]

What melee do u wanna use

[karmic moat]

luv me stab rifle

[hollow ibex]

onslaught on agri iag

you're in for a bad time

[crimson mica]

power sword or chain ax

mostly the former

[dusty sluice]

its funny (i should swap it to the better one)

[tall torrent]

Which helbore variant

And which ability

Exe scales better for helbore but if u can’t play with it that’s fine ig

[crimson mica]

I like stealth for relocation

[dusty sluice]

is onslaught work taking on vraks?

ever

[hollow ibex]

yah not bad, just talent point and ammo hungry

[tall torrent]

If u don’t have any anti-carapace melee, yea

[hollow ibex]

though in general i don't take onslaught ever

[tall torrent]

May I suggest dropping the helbore if u want stealth

[hollow ibex]

i prefer to just melee crushers

man e mano

[dusty sluice]

oh?, what other talents does it need apart from its base?

[crimson mica]

Nah, i'll work out my own build. Plasma got boring.

[dusty sluice]

like would this silly build work for vraks onslaught in the first place orrrr? (ik i should drastically change this)

[tall torrent]

Technically yes but onslaught not worth

[dusty sluice]

but dclaw :(

[tall torrent]

Play zealot then

100%Mrending op

[dusty sluice]

guh

[tall torrent]

Veteran’s melee choices are unfortunately limited

[dusty sluice]

but your right

[hollow ibex]

Zealot funny

[unreal nova]

Yep. More or less, it's even worse with lag.

[tall torrent]

On zealot, chain sword is one of their best horde clear weapons and is quite generalist into most enemies

On veteran, chain sword can be summed up as “the reason why Cadia fell”

[tame lodge]

Zealot Xiiig dub

[unreal nova]

You mean on vet for the second part?

[tall torrent]

Yes typo mb

[dusty sluice]

iv'e been meaning to try XIIIG on zealot for awhile

[hollow ibex]

i don't think i actually tried csword on zealot

[surreal gust]

I honestly don’t care much for the csword

It’s just feels like a watered down chain axe to me

[tame lodge]

It's on the other side of the spectrum

Chainsword is like horde
Chain Axe is like single target

[broken spade]

I've tried chainsword on my bolter build and it kinda went fine

as like a horde/rager option when the bolter is doing everything else

same usecase as an hsword really

[tall torrent]

chainsword is not good vs multiple ragers

[broken spade]

it's not safe and it's definitely worse at it than hsword

if there's too many then yeah you gotta just bolter them too

[dusty sluice]

gimme a zealot build for csword, or is it just the build

[tired trellis]

what's the dump stat on the shock maul?

[broken spade]

you kinda do just any basic zealot build, slap shred/wrath on it and you'll be good

[tired trellis]

Or is there a good guide for weapons/builds for Veteran where I can learn?

[broken spade]

just take fotf and abuse crit cdr with shred and chainsword will go hard

pretty sure any keystone works. Personally running martyrdom with it

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/check-the-pins-kowalski-penguin-gif-20219688

[tired trellis]

I did
There is a guide for Og, Zealot, and Psyker

Where is the one for the Vet?

[hollow ibex]

you're looking at it lol

scroll down

that's the guide

[tired trellis]

so it's suppose to be more than just that page? It doesn't scroll for me

[hollow ibex]

it's like 100 pages

try reloading or downloading as pdf

[broken spade]

guide is so big maybe it crashed your browser

[tired trellis]

Downloading worked, thanks for help.

[hollow ibex]

yeah the Word browser viewer is janky

[tall torrent]

yea sorry microsoft web page is kind of ass

[tired trellis]

np, thanks for helping

love this game, but so much to learn

[hollow ibex]

one thing a time

just ctrl + f the guide if anything is unclear

[dusty sluice]

@steep flower what you doing now? :3

[tall torrent]

if u got specific questions u can dm me

the pinned guide here is not fully up to date

I'm working on a steam version that's upgraded in every way possible but it's taking a lot of time

[wild vortex]

@vernal trench @steep flower @kind scarab thanks for the game, was a humbling experience. Sorry my connection was so fucked, if I had known I wouldn't have been lead weights

[kind scarab]

Nah you were great buddy

[vernal trench]

Gg was good game

[kind scarab]

It was great to have you as our psyker <3

[wild vortex]

as birthday gifts go, getting carried through h39 was pretty good

[vernal trench]

Still gotta get u a 40

Another day

[wild vortex]

Hopefully when my connection isn't fucking me over like this

I'm travelling back home tomorrow, fairly sure my wifi is better than the connection I was on today

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-gif-25573036

watching europeans having fun while i'm still at work

[vernal trench]

[tropic halo]

25th update drop:

[rose reef]

i

want to use smoke grenades

and

i want to use camo

but as a member of the guard can i give up shouting on command?

no i cannot

[lament belfry]

what are the best veteran weapons for wave clear and or single target?

the power sword seems to suck

[rose reef]

BLASPHEME

IN MY HOUSE

[tame lodge]

Power Sword 6

[rose reef]

[tame lodge]

For both horde clear and single target

[rose reef]

[tame lodge]

[rose reef]

the power sword is amazing

[tame lodge]

Then Chainsword for horde reasons

Rashad for horde and single target

[stuck tree]

so we smoke them?

[rose reef]

thats what im saying i would love to be unique and use smoke grenades

but like

for what purpose

...

[stuck tree]

well

if i were a pox walker id run through smoke regardless if im gonna get shot lol

[trim badger]

I NEED TO BE FREED

[stuck tree]

almost

!

[trim badger]

Helmet... helmet... helmet...

[stuck tree]

indeed

2 weeks later a reskin again

🥹

[rose reef]

free yourself

https://tenor.com/view/give-up-jax-and-chawn-button-reaction-gif-22945647

[faint beacon]

Ironman Round 2

[rose reef]

ur gonna delete him if you die?

even iff you get swarmed by bulwarks and have a weapon with no impact? and poxbursts and mutants are coming?

[tame lodge]

[broken spade]

That's not even the worst thing that could happen.
Imagine he just falls through the floor like this guy
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/922136978865156168/1348934885238378496/25AD691513DA5629.mp4?ex=67d5e242&is=67d490c2&hm=80dcb58903084abb9acec16e408d0b66a8440d81484929ac9fab2ee13bcfed9b&

[trim badger]

Forever Alone

[stuck tree]

wew

[faint beacon]

Rolled a rashad from E gifts

[stuck tree]

🔥

[faint beacon]

this will now either

go very well

or horrific

thats what happened to Veteran 1

[stuck tree]

oh noi

[narrow frost]

@faint beacon melee only hard mode campaign. This is so fun

[faint beacon]

Melee only

good fucking luck with elites

thats all I can say

everything else is pretty simple just any elite type

is going to be hell

[narrow frost]

I'm allowing explosive for tanks and elites

[faint beacon]

Its possible to kill elites with melees

its just incredibly fucking risky

[narrow frost]

yeah

gunners I can

flamers I cant seem to

[faint beacon]

You'll have to kite them around houses

or objects

its a game of patience with Flametroopers

[outer igloo]

What did they do to the fuckin' Kasrkin?? 😭 😭

[terse idol]

This strange pocket still has me weiiird

[little path]

It's more pouches than armor

[faint beacon]

He's survived longer than Veteran-I

[arctic rampart]

I kind of like tactical axe 7, is that weird? light attack spam is fun

[junior needle]

Is that the one without the verticals on the lights?

The taxe formerly known as taxe 4 was actually a premier light spammer

[arctic rampart]

it does 3 lights and none of them are verticals, I think

[junior needle]

Yeah that's the same one post rename it seems

[arctic rampart]

I was reading they fixed that axe so now things like shred actually work on it

[junior needle]

Shred wasn't working before?

[arctic rampart]

I did take shred, and I did crit a lot hehe

yeah it would fall off according to Dray

[junior needle]

Over time or

[arctic rampart]

no, like on the 2nd attack in th echain shred (etc) would drop

I was having fun with shred headtaker but usually I'd fit brutal momentum in.. didnt seem to need it

[junior needle]

I haven't heard of that one before, but I do know there was one attack that didn't have as long a reach as the others so it'd whiff if you weren't close

[arctic rampart]

probably same thing

[junior needle]

Brudal is a waste on that one since the value goes down drastically if you can't one tap bruisers

And you can't realistically do that on the lights

[tame lodge]

Yeah it's weird
(It's not, couple people like tac axe)

[junior needle]

The light spam variant was the only one I found tolerable

The others felt like worse caxes

[slow sky]

i think its time to be a menace

[narrow frost]

use agri revolver

that was my OG vet build

taxe agri revolver

with extance

WS

[stuck tree]

level 412?

wat dat mane

[slow sky]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-22669238

[stuck tree]

oh nvm its a mod

[narrow frost]

shows true level

game tracks exp beyond level 30

but doesnt tell you

[stuck tree]

i see

[austere mica]

mk7 absolutely needs unarmored on zealot right

[slow sky]

all of them do\

[austere mica]

I somehow ran it with maniac on psyker

Hold on

[crude fiber]

Don't know if it reaches any new cleave breakpoints but you could run hotshot blessed helbor as your ranged to help with hoards on taxe

[slow sky]

BM exists

[austere mica]

Tac axe has bromentum

[slow sky]

cleave is irrelevent

[dreamy spade]

I just insta kill chaos spawn by knocking off edge with frag nade

[austere mica]

It doesn't need help

[crude fiber]

But that's assuming your 1 shoting bruisers

[crude fiber]

Ledging op

For both sides lol

[dreamy spade]

Doors are even more fun

I managed to kill 2 monsters with 1 door oncd

[austere mica]

Shit it does need unarmored on psyker

[slow sky]

and i am

[slow sky]

yes

[crude fiber]

Well good then

[austere mica]

I thought the goofy bonuses on DD were carrying it

It can hit it during scriers but thats not a dependency I want

Thanks for being more or less all-knowing

[arctic rampart]

I was trying it with recon was pretty pretty good match. I fel like double barrel might struggle with ranged maniacs and bomber 😉

[slow sky]

the double barrel is a sniper in disguise

[arctic rampart]

not sure if I believe you but sure if it works for you. I refuse to use shotguns in this game they suck though people tell me double barrel is the only good one

[atomic void]

double barrel is a beast

[hollow ibex]

yeah DB is great

you're missing out

[arctic rampart]

I got so shellshocked from the existing shotguns I never tried it

[faint beacon]

Did I miss a 3VEG cause of me doing my Ironman run

istfg

[atomic void]

this is old i think

[faint beacon]

The last Veteran only survived till Trust Rank 6 cause of poxhound spam

somehow isn't fertilizer yet

[slow sky]

that video was months ago

[faint beacon]

only if 3VEG was in rotation right now...

Well CIVI was

[torn moat]

Flak or Maniac for Plasma gun?

[austere mica]

Flak unarmored

[torn moat]

Wait... wat

I thought the norm as Unyielding?

[austere mica]

It needs unarmored for breakpoints

Dreg gunner oneshot

[arctic rampart]

unarmored/elite or flak/maniac are the guide recommendations

gets hot + rising heat feels the best IMO

[terse idol]

Well, probably not flak maniac

[arctic umbra]

Cadians! Answer The Emperor’s Call!

[arctic rampart]

That is actually what is in the guide

[terse idol]

[umbral scaffold]

is there any good builds which can be used for havoc?

[tall torrent]

Unarmored
Flak

[stoic thorn]

KASRKIN LEGW

[void dragon]

have a pair of questions:
anyone has a good stealth build suggestions that are good?
and someone know why my veteran seems oddly quiet in general to be a loose cannon?

[tall torrent]

If u use “tag enemy” too often it breaks conversations

If there’re 2 characters of the same personality (ex: 2 male loose cannon veterans) then one of them is gonna be quiet most of the time as well

[void dragon]

the focus target breaks them? even the shout warcry? ok that's crazy to learn

[tall torrent]

Yes both

Plus, some personalities just don’t have a lot of lines?

[void dragon]

how often is "too often"?

[tall torrent]

Bully ogryn has notably few

I’m not sure about male cutthroat but I don’t hear his lines that much

[void dragon]

my char is a female loosecannon does some of the Background options change how much dialogue it has?

[tall torrent]

Don’t think so?

The only background affecting voice line I think there is, is that male professional veteran wouldn’t trash talk Cadia if he’s from Cadia

[void dragon]

ok thanks for letting me know mate, really weird thing ngl

[trim badger]

Duelling sword + plasma gun

Survivalist, Voice of Command, shredders grenades, Weapons specialist

Make sure to have demo team + the one that regenerates grenades, precision strikes, the node with more ammo

And you're mostly set tbh

Just have uncanny on duelling, get 5 stacks, throw a nade, keep farming 5 stacks of uncanny and watch everything disappear

Because of these massive bleeding boosted by uncanny

[void dragon]

is there a list of good builds that could serve as foundation to make others?

[uncut pebble]

Plasma gun is bad for havoc.

[trim badger]

Is it? Works really well for me

[uncut pebble]

Recon is far better for anti shooter setups and bolter scales better due to access to puncture (anti pus hardened but iirc theyre removing this modifier) and ammo pickups are based on your reserve max.

Plasma has half its ammo in reserve so it gets very little.

[tall torrent]

Nah

Recon is more versatile yes

Plasma is inherently limited in how much u can shoot it

It’s still the best breakpoint-orientated gun for havoc

[tribal tangle]

Anyone alive?

[tough tiger]

everyone?

[junior grail]

💀

[grand perch]

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/kyrie-manimdead-gif-17926533374682453937

[stuck tree]

Indeed

[wanton dawn]

I think am gonna go back to sleep

[hollow ibex]

god damn that was a sweaty match for 35 minutes

[wanton dawn]

I had a nice little pubs no ammo mael ascension riser the other day. Got the million dmg in 27. Felt refreshing

[hollow ibex]

very cool

[wanton dawn]

I like this mod

[hollow ibex]

assuming you weren't playing psyker

[wanton dawn]

Nah. Not experienced enough with psyker to do that

I can bubble

Just ps plasma with tag and frags. Nothing fancy except perk on elite+cara

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/10801444643964118/DA6C6C5CD3E4EFCF008CAF6CC6C9A96CC3F78EA1/

what the fuck is this

in how many ways can invisibility get cucked by fatshart

[wanton dawn]

Outplayed clearly

[hollow ibex]

at this point, might as well just remove it from the game

[wanton dawn]

He was targeting the sigmar zealot probably

[hollow ibex]

yeah idk what else it'd be

i always thought muties just lock onto a player and grab them

but seems like they just grab anything within a certain hitbox after targeting a player

[wanton dawn]

Nah, i think once they lift arm it is a hitbox

[hollow ibex]

it's fuckin stupid that the invisibility in this game is

[wanton dawn]

Not a dodge state ?

[hollow ibex]

"invisibility*

*certain terms and conditions may apply"

and having 45 second cd while shout gets 30

[wanton dawn]

Isnt this more of a case of ppl making game harder by virtue of being here and alive instead of dead waiting for rez ?

Ah man, ppl LOVE the recon. I still dont get it

Granted, i dont like ds4 on vet either

Raised hand meta still eluding me

[grizzled pebble]

Ds4 mk12 recon is peak

[sharp epoch]

nature of double charge abilities

[hollow ibex]

no with double charge it's a 60 second cd

[wanton dawn]

Not as peak as my agile+ws ps dbs roleplay terminator

[hollow ibex]

45 seconds is base lol

[sharp epoch]

its balanced for double like taking double is what 75% of ppl do

[wanton dawn]

Stop hitting with toothpick. Embrace big fat aoe

[hollow ibex]

it's balanced for nothing. if they wanted to balance it for double, they'd nerf the subnode further

[grizzled pebble]

Ds4 not nerfed but p sword is buffed soon so it'd be nice

No more random losing charges

[wanton dawn]

Well, wasnt random but i get your point. Was a noticiable nerf

[sharp epoch]

It's annoying vs ragers

[wanton dawn]

It destroys you vs rager

Especially nurgle blessed

[sharp epoch]

Also chaos spawn

[wanton dawn]

Well, ps6 has a good block

Cs is not too bad, except for grab with the crappy dodge distance

Same issue with bon. Puke is hard to dodge with ps

[unreal nova]

Unless your gun compensates, even if you need to waste your WS charges.

[wanton dawn]

Plasma bolter are making it worse

[unreal nova]

Stares at Bolt Pistol and Revolver.

[wanton dawn]

Bleh

Bolt pistol is a bolter with worse gunplay, revolver is gutted in havoc

[unreal nova]

But mobility and LP.

Also, I now wonder, LP kraks meme time.

[sharp epoch]

I think anything with a ton of cleave is just good, plasma is the only ranged weapon that vet has that has that

thats why purge is defacto the best weapon in havoc period, followed by flamer

[wanton dawn]

Dbs being like

[jaunty sphinx]

Bolt pistol is one of my favorite feeling guns in the game it's gunplay is great

[unreal nova]

Just never try to fire multiple shots without resetting ads.

[sharp epoch]

havent tried dbs, but the times ive used it, if my team cant kill long range specials we get cooked

[hollow ibex]

it's got pretty good range if you run with WS

[unreal nova]

Unless it's a boss.

[grizzled pebble]

Yeah it's the coolest gun

[hollow ibex]

the crit lets you one shot ranged specialists

like bombers/snipers

[sharp epoch]

even the min pellet count isnt enough to down most of them at havoc hp

[wanton dawn]

Bolter is better at gunning. Boltpistol is better at switching, reloading, moving. Not shooting

[sharp epoch]

with the crit

[jaunty sphinx]

But it's still good at shooting just not as your main workhorse

[hollow ibex]

oh havoc

[unreal nova]

And 'nading.

[hollow ibex]

yeah

i run with flech too

for insurance and funny bleed procs

[wanton dawn]

I do play a bit of dbs in h40. It get better the higher the trash count

Abusing agile, always prepared and infinite cleave

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, everything that isnt a gun job

[hollow ibex]

DB with WS is funny. one swing of a rashad or PS and the gun is ready to cleave through an entire horde

[unreal nova]

But it does it well, so...

Factoring PS over a higher mobility melee.

[wanton dawn]

Ppl play what they want. I wont play what i dont like in h40

Nor below tbf

[unreal nova]

I mean, is whatever you feel comfortable with.

[wanton dawn]

I like big fat low mobility stuff over mosquito bite

Am a simple dude

[supple stag]

PS I adore and love

Mk1 shovel is also a baller

[grizzled pebble]

Standard issue shovel is super based

[stoic thorn]

My ass was performing really well in auric damnation as an exe stance veteran

And then the BoN came and my teammates left me behind for it to get romantical with me (I got eaten and died)

And then the team died because I was the one killing all the elites and they got soft

[stuck tree]

gun shoot

[frank ledge]

Hey veterans, how is it going eith the upcoming cooldown nerfs

[junior grail]

Cooldown nerfs??

Is this a Havoc thing or general gameplay?

[stoic thorn]

How I deadass watch as I turn 45 degrees to the right and my exe stance screen immediately yellows out with crushers within crushing distance

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-top-gear-jeremy-clarkson-no-one-cares-gif-18925814

[frank ledge]

General

[junior grail]

I'm gonna wanna read on this hahahaha

[stoic thorn]

Where tf

Cooldown nerfs?

[frank ledge]

Fatshark may or may not be plotting to deal with the cooldown issues, in a similar way they are doing for Ogryn

[stoic thorn]

Is it gonna effect my exe stance?

[wanton dawn]

Mostly a nerf for voc

[junior grail]

Voice of Command-not-on-Demand

[wanton dawn]

Invis will probably receive compensation

Or be gutted, i dont care

[junior grail]

Imagine if they buffed the Revival version of VoC

[wanton dawn]

Just have to remove all the negative about it. Would make it not crap

[junior grail]

Or at least one of them

[wanton dawn]

I mean... it is still situational and potential grief

[junior grail]

Fair, would need a cooldown buff along with it

[wanton dawn]

It costing a talent point is already an opportunity cost

Well, remove cd debuff and add a dmg grace period

Done

[junior grail]

Invisibility would need to let the Vet fire one shot while in stealth at least imo

[stoic thorn]

How I deadass watch as the meta jerkers speed off while I'm getting hit with the horde and a company of every enemy in the roster

[wanton dawn]

Invis should extend duration on headshot os

[junior grail]

Hahaha ExecStanceMk2?

[grand perch]

maelstrom today man. first i got this dude joining, getting hounded immediately, and leaving even though im literally right next to him shoving it off

[wanton dawn]

NothingPersonalKidxoxo

[wanton dawn]

Too slow

[grand perch]

then towards the end, another guy joins, immediately triggers DH, uses reconnect mod to dodge the aggro and gets FUTO killed while the situation is chaotic anyway

he got shat on and kicked by the team

[wanton dawn]

Some ppl are straight up more bad for your team than bot

[grand perch]

he claimed the game put him right next to the DH when he spawned. doesnt excuse being a cunt and having someone else killed for that shit

[junior grail]

I still wish we can modify our bots

[faint beacon]

I know Cole brought up a decent point to have, even though it’s good already

Another reason for EStance to go toe to toe with Infil and VOC

Toughness whilst ADSing when it’s up

[grand perch]

kinda like release vet?

[faint beacon]

Supposedly?

[grand perch]

or like a passive toughness regen

[faint beacon]

I think Cole meant like

Passively whilst ADSing

[grand perch]

sounds about right

[faint beacon]

Like a weaker Ogryn talent when bracing

That and you obviously need the ability active

[junior grail]

I remember Exec Stance back before the new talent trees... ahh when Vet was most broken

[frank ledge]

What if, if you quit and rejoin a lobby, you instantly get dh agro

Sounds like a perfect no issue system

[opal imp]

osu! 40k edition?

[junior grail]

Imagine the DH respawning along with the rejoined player

"Ohh you thought you could escape me REJECTBITCH?!!"

[junior grail]

Great now I'm imagining a Vet doing DDR

[kind scarab]

I am now awake, and planning on making that other people's problem

[junior grail]

Morning muax

[kind scarab]

What's a muax

[opal imp]

[junior grail]

http://muax.urbanup.com/7245644

[kind scarab]

Oh that

Morning to you too Jojo

[frank ledge]

frfr og

[wanton dawn]

2013 trend old man

[junior grail]

evaporates to dust

[unreal nova]

@vernal trench So I heard you were THANKFUL for a book Zealot? HRM?

[grand perch]

lies

deception

possibly even dishonesty

[junior grail]

What's the best build for Book Zealot? Currently using Knife and Bolter with Blazing Piety keystone

[inland cobalt]

I need tips on how to make the Executioner Veteran work on Heresy and Damnation

[tough tiger]

just kill stuff fast?

[inland cobalt]

I'm being serious here

[grand perch]

is there something about the playstyle youre particularily struggling with?

current build would be helpful to see

[inland cobalt]

Gimme a moment

[inland cobalt]

My main problem is getting bogged down by stray chaff while trying to focus on shooters and gunners

And don't get me started on Ragers!

[grand perch]

chainsword is terrible at dealing with multiple ragers

[austere mica]

Run a shovel or shock maul then

[grand perch]

its generally not a very good weapon

[austere mica]

Yeah 1h chainsword is a one trick against trash hordes

[grand perch]

the build itself needs work, way too many points spent at the top, vet is very bottom heavy

what blessings and perk on your recon?

[inland cobalt]

Perks: Elites + Maniacs
Blessings: Dumdum and Infernus

[inland cobalt]

I lose toughness, otherwise

[austere mica]

One motion isn’t useful for recon

Neither is Longshot

[grand perch]

try this build with this recon

stacking toughness regen on top is a trap. the left top part is the weakest of the three paths by far as well

notice i havent taken the talent for suppression immunity, since youre immune to suppression while in exec stance anyway, and recon has innate slight resistance to suppression

you could pair this with a rashad combat axe melee or mk1 shovel for instance. much better at clearing rager packs

[austere mica]

Shock maul would also work

[inland cobalt]

Rashad is too slow

[grand perch]

rashad is the best melee in the game short of the absolutely broken dueling sword, and outclasses that one in some regards still

[inland cobalt]

I'm terrible with it, especially against chaff

[grand perch]

build it like this (use unarmored instead of elite perk for better horde clear) and youll kill like 4 melees in one swing

use push attack to stagger multiple ragers

you can also change the build to this:

which includes trench fighter drill for +10% melee attack speed at the bottom right, which makes the rashad absolutely bonkers

also gives +25 toughness which is nice

[inland cobalt]

Then what about the shovel and Infantry Lasgun?

[primal fable]

Rashad my beloved

[grand perch]

you could easily run ilas with the same build

[inland cobalt]

And I disagree with forgoing Demolition Stockpile. I believe it's important in horde-clearing and keeping the team safe

[grand perch]

it costs 2 points to get and you have demo team instead

it is absolutely a fantastic talent, but in higher diffs demo team is equal or better

[kind scarab]

@tiny haven

[iron atlas]

hi, i hv question about havoc, currently im lv 38, if i want to lv 40 for penance, i need to join havoc 40 room, yes?

[jaunty sphinx]

Yes or complete more until you reach 40

[iron atlas]

minimum of havoc lv room?

if i join lower room than my havoc lv and complete it, will it increase my havoc lv?

[jaunty sphinx]

Yes

Wait no

Sorry I misread

Complete more as in you can do your 38 turn a 39 then a 40

Unless you can get into a 40 lobby, but seeing as you're 38 that shouldn't be an issue for most groups in party finder

Once you complete 40 you'll get clearance level 40 on reset

[tall torrent]

learn melee

[tall torrent]

too top heavy in a class whose talent tree is bottom heavy

[primal fable]

No, either you play your own havoc to lvl it up to 40 or join the other with 39/40 havoc

[stuck tree]

Waw

[inland cobalt]

That sounded like an insult

[grand perch]

Not really, path is not the toxic kind

[grizzled pebble]

Sry I play vet i only use gun

All ammo mine

[grand perch]

It's just a matter of fact most vets don't learn melee enough while leveling

[grizzled pebble]

I shoot plasma into groaners

[inland cobalt]

I mean it sounded as if I don't know what dodging, blocking and pushing means

[wild vortex]

No toxicity intended, but if you're struggling even a bit on Heresy then you DON'T know a lot of things yet

[wild vortex]

And your talent choices reflect that

[stuck tree]

Ammo is mine

[steep flower]

why not both? Forgoing something good in exchange of something good ain't the way of getting both good things & benefiting off them

[steep flower]

Yeah that build needs tinkering BADLY

its like that one greasy & undermided cog in a machine you haven't cleaned in years & it starts to show sights of corrosion & decay

[grand perch]

Because it's 2 points in this build. And since he already opted for ping keystone I kept that in. Also went for desperado since that will help his melee a lot

[tall torrent]

sorry, I meant more as in
You need to be able to handle every melee situation with fewer tools for stagger & toughness gain

[steep flower]

The more you play the more you realize shock trooper is not really needed (its still great, especially if you build your recon into a boss killing machine by spamming headshots but then headhunter will be better than Deathspitter); i stopped using it and with a lil bit of micromanaging you don't run out of ammo - got those 2 points in that build to get that grenade regen by forgoing redirect fire & shock trooper and replacing opening salvo for kill zone (gets better value if you don't spec into shock trooper)

[solar monolith]

killzone my beloved

[steep flower]

I undermined that node until practical use made me realise how much value that node can give in a firefight

[solar monolith]

10 whole seconds is a lot considering how much you can spam abilities

[steep flower]

Killzone is the 20% base dmg if no enemies within 8m

[inland cobalt]

No enemies within 8m? Never happens on Auric

[dry cloak]

@faint beacon welp i started using the 3 round burst vigil

but i use it more like and IAG

and it works suprisingly well

[rough cobalt]

What is considered best perk combo for infantry Lasgun atm? Just came back into the game after long time and wanted to empower this one after changeing perks

[dry cloak]

deadly accurate ghost iirc

for perks

flak maniac is always good call

[steep flower]

Cause you don't have coms with ppl, ppl rush more = triggering more spawns, ppl don't look out for each other as much

[rough cobalt]

I can still change only 1 right? I will probably give up stamina then (nvm I can change both )

[unreal nova]

I need shocking stuff.

[dry cloak]

can help

[steep flower]

its surprising how certaing nodes & abilities get bigger value due to cooperation & startegy

[rough cobalt]

Also is it possible to have all values on 80% or one is allways gonna be 60% ?

[void dragon]

What are good builds you folks are running? Trying to clean up some bad ones I have and expand on the repertoire but don't know which ones are good to follow or which ones are scams

[solar monolith]

IM ON A DT BREAK

[iron atlas]

anyone doing havoc 40? im lv 38 atm, need help just need havoc 40 penance

[unreal nova]

39/40. Short of 1 as usual.

[unreal nova]

Farming havs will be harder on change.

[solar monolith]

more fun*

[floral token]

bro what is up with gunners on havoc they are either missing every shot or beaming you in the head basically insta downing you

[grizzled pebble]

Me when im outside the bubble for 2 secs
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1346198696689139784/Desktop_2025.03.03_-_19.12.31.04.mp4?ex=67d679fc&is=67d5287c&hm=cef4163bae591d79f9e43e343491dbe16036e4367ddab8e95a741a4bd62b57e5&

[void dragon]

If they are missing is probably because they are gunning someone else on your team

[dry cloak]

Fok did you get it or are youbstill at it?

[vernal trench]

[unreal nova]

Still at it. Just going to eat first before I starve cos everything closes.

It's normal, happened on SG run even.

[dense tartan]

Id just be happy to get havok 25

[kind scarab]

If you play with some based peeps from here, you'd likely have no issues with havoc 40

I did 16 with randoms after doing auric maelstrom with randoms

Then hopped on with Chonky and Papa here, and ended up doing fine in 38 and 39 considering it was my first time doing high rank

[dense tartan]

Please carry me ass, I really want some dirty pants.

[kind scarab]

I haven't done 40 yet. Maybe later today.

Not sure what rank gives pants tbh

[dense tartan]

25

[unreal nova]

Is those two though. Papa carries with Chain axe.

[kind scarab]

Papa was on ogryn yesterday

[unreal nova]

Ah, so you got his godgryn.

[dense tartan]

I started doing runs at 28-26 because the game can't get that much more difficult. Even at 40 there's just a hard limit to difficulty and all that changes is how long you have to play well for.

Like my run at 23 is 40 minutes. My failed run at 28 was 53 minutes.

[kind scarab]

And all I did was go Ex stance and delete problems while they did what they do best

And for the run at 39, I went shout vet*

As in melee vet, cause I noticed how horrible ammo economy was

[unreal nova]

Papa usually deletes problems while I spam book and stay alive to provide auras.

Is really why I kept telling you to pick. I don't run hard dps generally so lag isn't too bad for me. And I can't really clutch well enough to benefit from low ping.

[kind scarab]

It's fine, we only really lost 2 matches cause we tried doing that one penance at really high difficulties

otherwise it was just fine for me

We spent most of those auric matches memeing anyway and being stupid

And still winning

[unreal nova]

Pretty sure there's 1 sane build.

And it's not either of us.

[dense tartan]

I have had to give up a keystone to pay node tax to get survivalist on my shout melee build, just because ammo is such a problem at high difficulty

[kind scarab]

I considered it, but I don't feel like getting taxed for it.

[dense tartan]

The non folding combat shovel. Explain what it's special is actually doing. Because I don't get it.

[kind scarab]

Stagger

you won't use it 99.9% of the time

[unreal nova]

I mean, 'nadier is taxed hard as well if you want survivalist and WS.

[dense tartan]

Yeah that makes sense.

[vernal trench]

28 and 40 isnt even comparible

[dense tartan]

I figured the golden highlight keystone wasn't super useful when I'm busy staying alive. I'll still tag up enemies. But since I'm not pushing for it it helps keep me alive.

[vernal trench]

@steep flower u home rn

[vernal trench]

U got shout, it is more than enough to keep u alive and more

[kind scarab]

Ey look, it's Chonky the madlad himself

[dense tartan]

I look forward to finding out. When I get past the skill hump.

[vernal trench]

Chonky the chonker

[kind scarab]

How did y'alls duos go yesterday?

[vernal trench]

last change is around 35

[kind scarab]

I was busy with a stream so couldn't check in

[vernal trench]

Wiped

[kind scarab]

All 6?!

[vernal trench]

3 more tries left

[kind scarab]

Oh good, I was worried there

[unreal nova]

YOU NEEDED BOOK.

[vernal trench]

It was an off day for sure

[kind scarab]

We did pretty well in 38/39

[vernal trench]

Well get it as long as we dont fuck up again

[kind scarab]

Y'all just needed the moral support

[vernal trench]

4 man teams are nothing like duos tho

[dense tartan]

Rank 20-30 has a bunch of bad players like me in it trying to get the dirty pants. So the added difficulty is the players.

[vernal trench]

duos is as hard as it gets

[kind scarab]

Yee, but we were dead at the hardest parts I feel

[burnt trout]

From experience, just do LFG's here, pub lobbies in 20-30 are a nightmare 9 times out of 10

[vernal trench]

Idk what game u were in

[kind scarab]

Both

[vernal trench]

Yea lmao

[kind scarab]

38 and 39

[vernal trench]

Refinery was harder

Way harder

[kind scarab]

Oh yeah definitely, cause of all the gunners

[vernal trench]

just a harder map in general

[unreal nova]

He is ignoring me as I told you @kind scarab

[kind scarab]

You brought up the book

[vernal trench]

What book

Fuck that

[unreal nova]

Yes, because he bulli me about it all the time.

[vernal trench]

Book bad

Karien use book

[kind scarab]

Chonky hates yellow bars

[vernal trench]

Very much

[kind scarab]

They distract him from the supermacy of blue bars

[unreal nova]

So when he needs it is a totally right thing to point out.

[vernal trench]

Get the book guy up > random dude

[unreal nova]

Also, he never gets to see my fury nonsense but you did lul.

[vernal trench]

No

Sitgryn

[unreal nova]

I basically rarely run it lul.

[vernal trench]

I got archivum

Perfect for duo warm up

[unreal nova]

Have fun with Papa or Stompty.

[kind scarab]

So what happens if you beat the level 40

Do you just get locked out of doing them that week?

[vernal trench]

Stompy dont duo with me

[vernal trench]

Gives u another 40

[dry cloak]

you get appriecieation of your fellow rejects

[kind scarab]

Sweet

[dry cloak]

wanna do shocking stuff or you just dont want to do it?

[kind scarab]

Means if y'all get a bad havoc 40 for duos, I can hop in to get my 40 for the week done

[unreal nova]

Oh...

[kind scarab]

(I'm still at assignment 17 since y'all let me slide into the level 38/39)

[unreal nova]

Am out eating.

[vernal trench]

Week about yo reset

To

[kind scarab]

1d10h for reset

[dry cloak]

aye

[kind scarab]

I read that so wrong.

[dry cloak]

how

[vernal trench]

Havocs about to get much harder soon

[unreal nova]

I said if I don't, I'll starve till next day.

[kind scarab]

Brain switched two words around.

[dry cloak]

hoe

[kind scarab]

Yee, which is why I'm gonna do it before update

[unreal nova]

And I thought I was the Slaaneshi...

[kind scarab]

You are

[dry cloak]

technically speaking im also slaneesh cultist

[kind scarab]

You both are

My imperium charcter at worst has been accused of being a khorne guy

[unreal nova]

I literally have a Daemon Prince(ss) of Slaanesh.

[vernal trench]

We gotta win smelter

N ill be happu

Happy

[dry cloak]

smelter final defense

there like shit ton of enemies there

[vernal trench]

Final part isnt too hard

[dry cloak]

but its perfect spot for shocking stuff

[vernal trench]

Shock

[unreal nova]

I need penances.

[vernal trench]

Check yo dms willy boy

[steep flower]

Its not just you; remember; this is a team based game - there are 3 other teammates that might benefit off ammo regen. Dmg & speed aura will never be good as long as you have ammo atrophy in havoc… and definitelly not due to 5% value Lmao

[vernal trench]

🫃

[unreal nova]

Chonky is selfish. We know. He only wants more self damage.

[vernal trench]

Fyck the yeam

Team

[kind scarab]

While true

If I go full melee build, I can avoid picking up ammo the whole match and that'll balance it out a bit

That's what I tested on our havoc 39 after seeing the ammo amounts on 38

[steep flower]

Thats what not even an ogryn would do

[vernal trench]

I need more duo maps

More smelter

[grand perch]

my body is ready for some havoc

[kind scarab]

Ready to win, or ready to die?

[grand perch]

dont matter

[kind scarab]

That's the spirit

[unreal nova]

Could be both.

Papa carries very hard.

[kind scarab]

Winning and dying at the same time is a Kriegsmans job

Tac isn't a kriegsman last I checked

[grand perch]

dont gatekeep dying

kriegers dont have a monopoly ok

[unreal nova]

See.

[kind scarab]

Sorry no, gonna have to gatekeep it so you lead a successful excursion into havoc and come back well

😔

[grand perch]

[kind scarab]

If I was a commissar at that point, I'd say you don't have the privilege to die until I say so

But I'm not, so gatekeeping is my only option

[grand perch]

@steep flower @vernal trench @wild vortex havoc?

[vernal trench]

Na

Not now

saving energy for duos

[steep flower]

@vernal trench @unreal nova @grand perch @kind scarab In an hour i should be ready; i feel really weak due to weather and i need to eat

[vernal trench]

U better not burn urself out like yesterday @steep flower

u go do that ill duo with ham if ur playing 40s first

[steep flower]

You were burnt out not me

[unreal nova]

Me? WDYM? I just want Shocking stuff lmao.

[steep flower]

I just thought about you muffin

[unreal nova]

"NO DYING TILL I SAY SO!"

[vernal trench]

Na u were burnt out

I was fine for the most part

[kind scarab]

I'd be down for doing a 40, but prolly only that, cause I spent all morning playing at 300 ping and memeing with Karien and like two aussies

We were doing aurics all morning

[unreal nova]

This is why I want commissar set.

[vernal trench]

I gotta play for myself more i think

[sterile phoenix]

How's the boltgun doing currently? It's the next weapon mastery on my list to complete

[unreal nova]

Do so, lul.

[vernal trench]

Some situations ill need to stay alive even if u cant cuz i can clutch it after

[dry cloak]

very good

[steep flower]

You were too passive in your gameplay; you better perform today no offence - those gunners stayed for too long; we had that talk already

[vernal trench]

You were too passive bro

Im not rushing out there when i only have 1 charge

[unreal nova]

Okay, but switch time is hell if you aren't running exe stance or those switch talents.

[vernal trench]

If u wanna clear gunners we need to both go in

Low profile doesnt work if im the only target they can lock onto while u stay in the staircase downstairs

[kind scarab]

Papa was on ogryn, so I kinda agree, his ass needed to go in first

[vernal trench]

We should be playing so much more aggressive than we were

I had half ammo before even making out the first room

[unreal nova]

BTW, I don't really know when to dive. I play pocket book support.

[sterile phoenix]

I tend to run bolt pistol + DSIV so I might need to adapt for that playstyle a bit

[vernal trench]

U can stagger reapers while i grenade them etc

[steep flower]

can't charge with 4+ gunners fully spun up & reapers behind; as i said yesterday - you can go invis, get behind them and magdump them then go back if you have to in invis just like you do all the time when we normally played - you were not yourself yesterday thats it

[unreal nova]

So uhhh, whatever you saw I did today is uhh, confused panic.

[vernal trench]

I cant

Ill be the only player they can target

Low profile wont work

[unreal nova]

Yep. The reload time is hell as well.

[vernal trench]

U gotta stop putting the blame on me

I only take risks i know i can take

[dry cloak]

@faint beacon please rate thig thing. flaciac plus deadly accurate plus crucian

[vernal trench]

If i went out there to push u will need to follow up and keep staggering them and kill them

[steep flower]

its not the low profile; its the situation of being close to them and surprising them; invis on break staggers enemies around, gunners will have to at the very least turna round before they can shoot you and thats roughly 2 seconds - i refuse to believe thats not enough for anyone really

[vernal trench]

That staggers for half a second

[steep flower]

if you make it english i will help ya otherwise not

[vernal trench]

why dont u just follow me when i go out instead of just hiding down there

Ur an ogryn with shield

[dry cloak]

i said what is on it

flak maniac damage plus deadly accurate plus crucian rulette

[vernal trench]

if i had ur backup i wouldve gone out there and we wouldve cleared it

u need to stop playing so passive thats how we will lose

The longer we wait and clear every single reaper and gunner the more specialists spawn and the more mistakes we can make

Thats why apollo and stompt pushes so aggressively when they can

We had 15 minutes worth of chances

some reapers we couldve ran past and headed downstairs to a safer area

[faint beacon]

Maniac + Elite is usually what I run seeing it’s covering the biggest weakness of the Vigils that and 3rnd uses DA + HH

[unreal nova]

@kind scarab wanna try shocking more while they fight after like 15 mins? I should be home then.

[dry cloak]

head hunter u say

[radiant chasm]

if it's mk3 just use headhunter

yea

[dry cloak]

i sure can help proper now

[radiant chasm]

lemme explain

the 2 shots after the first, will crit if the first shot crits right

but

[dry cloak]

i know why head hunter

[radiant chasm]

they will still stack headhunter to 40%

[kind scarab]

Sure, we can do it on a lower difficulty since we're focusing on it specifically

[faint beacon]

A lot more uptime on Crits basically with it

[dry cloak]

it would be easiest on high intesnse heresy/dam

[unreal nova]

Is mostly a joke but if they are both getting heated... Don't think H40 is a good idea.

[dry cloak]

iirc crits only trigger on first round of the burst right?

[radiant chasm]

yea meanwhile, crucian only caps out at 30% and that's if you have the full 100% 50 ammo

[radiant chasm]

all 3 will crit

it crits in a chain of 3

[dry cloak]

i know

i ask about when it triggers

[kind scarab]

So the way that crits work is that effects that are proc'd off of crits only work for the first crit in a "chain" for whatever the chain length of the weapon is

[radiant chasm]

so you have 30% at max for your last burst, vs 40% all the time if you keep chaining heads

[dry cloak]

so it can trigger in the middle of the burst

[unreal nova]

I can drop IJ/Momentum for crits now or just keep running it.

[radiant chasm]

only the first shot can trigger

the chain iirc

[kind scarab]

Like recon lasguns used to have a much shorter crit chain, so the crit ammo saving worked way better on it

[steep flower]

You can look up to them but the strategy they develop might not be best for our setup; the risks are there to take and both of us have good initiations with the exception that you can just go invis i can't; if i get there and you go invis i die no matter how good i am cause gunner dmg is that strong - reapers were behind too - i tell you; go invis, initiate the gunner stun then i can follow to finish them off in melee while you focus the more distant targets; specials are not that much of an issue on their own - the combination with other threats make them dangerous, same for bosses thats why when i was soloing the chaos spawn i was telling you to 'take care of everything else so i can solo it'; simple as. I hope today its gonna be better

[dry cloak]

thx

[vernal trench]

Thats what i said

We need to push

We sit there killing every gunner wasting all my ammo when i can go in first and u follow up

[steep flower]

you said that and wanted me to go forward first; thats my issue in that situation back then

[vernal trench]

I wanted to push i didnt say who

Either one works

[steep flower]

cant charge 5 fully spun up gunners

i die

thats the thing

[vernal trench]

As long as its not a reaper ull be fine

[steep flower]

in those situation; you go in first with invis and then i can follow

[vernal trench]

If its one reaper u can jusy slide up onto him and stagger and hit him

[vernal trench]

If i do that u gotta follow me

[steep flower]

ofc

[vernal trench]

I dont do it cuz i dont know if ull follow me or no5

We need to start pushing more aggressively

[steep flower]

I thought you trusted me lmao

[vernal trench]

If its gunners ill take the lead once i have 2 charges

[steep flower]

i ain't a pepega

[vernal trench]

I do but idk what u think

That burster really fucked me that last game tho

That was some bullshit

[steep flower]

burster was unfortunate yes

[vernal trench]

I got archivum on 39

Well use that as warm up

Play aggressive this warm up and see how it goes

[unreal nova]

Is papa, not me. I'm the one who freezes up, you know.

Either do full stupid or locks up indecisive on stuff.

[void dragon]

Should not sell yourself short Karien, sure one day you will clutch a game and save everyone

[steep flower]

I had aggressive charges ye but i know when risks are too much for the potential benefit

i won't charge a long lane againts fully spun up gunners

[kind scarab]

Nonsense

She did that this morning

When we all did a stupid, and she was on zealot

saved everyones ass

[vernal trench]

We need to charge together

[unreal nova]

When Clad failed, I already had to. Just got lucky no ogryn types so 8 frags emptied fast enough to pick him up and duo to next rescue.

[vernal trench]

I go in first when i can and u follow and well deal with them quickly

[void dragon]

Then I rest my case your Honor

[unreal nova]

I burnt the crate for it but...

[void dragon]

Worth and deserved

[steep flower]

remember; apollo & stomp can do that cause its 2 beefy targets; i am alone

[void dragon]

No more testimony needed

[steep flower]

you cannot tank

you have pure offence

[vernal trench]

Ur the tank

[steep flower]

all the pressure is on me

[unreal nova]

Lies, Harley did most of it. I was just bait.

[vernal trench]

After the initial offense i put out

Its up to u to deal with the close range ones

I deal with the rest

[unreal nova]

All crushers and oggies dead so much easier.

[kind scarab]

HARLEY WAS DEAD

[unreal nova]

Wait, who was the other zealot?

[kind scarab]

ALSO DEAD

You were the only one left up at the start of that mission

[unreal nova]

Are we on the same map?

[kind scarab]

The auric maelstrom with pox gas everywhere

[unreal nova]

THAT FARTFEST.

[kind scarab]

Yes

[unreal nova]

Dying again.

[kind scarab]

The one with the damn DH at the start of the map

[steep flower]

ofc; but can't push againts numerous gunners/reapers which are scattered in the open just like in that one game we had in archivum with doc & tac while you were a zealot; i peaked corners but if i would charge in there then even with your melee i would take heavy dmg or worse; die

slow & steady wins the race; methodical approach is always better than risky gamba

[unreal nova]

I can barely remember that one. I hate fart missions.

[kind scarab]

You clutched and revived everyone at start

Because we were all being stupid and memeing

[steep flower]

Karien actually carried? My word...

[unreal nova]

I was also memeing. That's me chasing 2-3 penances.

IJ, charged weapon and Tknoifes.

[kind scarab]

Clutched, not carried

She had a horrible time rest of the map

[void dragon]

So zoned in that didn't realised she did heavy lifting wearing the hero pants

[unreal nova]

I hate farts. HATEHATEHATE.

[kind scarab]

Yeah, understandable

[unreal nova]

I didn't even have corruption removal.

[kind scarab]

Karien kept getting picked up by mutties and tossed into hordes, surviving and screaming

[unreal nova]

HATE.

[kind scarab]

Harley kept getting kidnapped

and I was being an idiot and pushing things I shouldn't cause I had all the wounds ever

[vernal trench]

Yea

We need to push when we can

But when we can actually push we should

[unreal nova]

Inf fury as long as things die. Crit CDR and backstab kills CDR.

[vernal trench]

Dont leave it only to me to shoot them all

[unreal nova]

Cos relic is just that long I guess.

Shrugs.

[faint beacon]

Special activation Delete horde

That really just is how overpowered Relic is

[inland cobalt]

Problem > big fuck-off sword > solution

[unreal nova]

Mixed horde. Worst case, I just bait and buy time.

[unreal nova]

Ah yes. What even were you all doing. I think I only survived because you ppl left me behind a fartwall.

[kind scarab]

Tbf

You were in a corner that was much safer than the rest of us

[unreal nova]

True, still.

[loud belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/oopie-goopie-oopy-goopy-oopy-goopy-gif-3963159772526624985

[arctic rampart]

Am I in zealot chat? ... nope its vet

[loud belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-speech-bubble-speech-discord-gif-25192162

[still crater]

https://tenor.com/view/hothead-angry-rage-burning-gif-24590125

[arctic rampart]

That person is holding that cat up by a collar to choke it into a meme gif. You can hold a cat up by the scruff just like its parents do and it wont struggle. You don't even realize what you're posting

[loud belfry]

u ok?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/913477506500292688/1237988830452256798/DuyFSlUx.gif

[faint beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/580240175632744450/1311833000874348594/caption-6.gif

[unreal nova]

@kind scarab @dry cloak You up for it? I'll just make a build with crits and 'nades for a better chance.

[dry cloak]

yep but im gonna be off comms got party in my house

[unreal nova]

Ah.

Do i dumpster that build I had earlier, or the shroudfield build I had for some reason.

[umbral scaffold]

He is holding it by the scruff tho if you look closely

[wild vortex]

Don't think I'll be able to log on for another 3 hrs at least

[kind scarab]

What I find when I open up a bag of chips that has "50% more chips" and it's still all air

[orchid hemlock]

Um it's actually Nitrogen 🤓

[kind scarab]

Nitrogen is still part of, and the majority of air

So I can call it air you soppy mammal

[orchid hemlock]

Nah Air is the good stuff

[kind scarab]

Nitrogen is the good stuff

Keeps my chips fresh

[arctic rampart]

He's not. Cats whhen held by the scruff properly go limp. If you owned a cat you'd know that.

[umbral scaffold]

I have owned cats I just don't pick them up

[arctic rampart]

Ok let me reephrase if you ever watched a mom cat carry a kitten or carried em by the scruff yourself you'd know

Its like an off button

[orchid hemlock]

But don't you want to breathe in that Helium, Hydrogen, Oxygen, Carbon Dioxide? 😤

[grand perch]

no cap rejects, you can breathe the stim laden cocktail like an honest soldier instead

[kind scarab]

Nah, too much of any of that other stuff and I'll strangle someone

Huff stims like Lizard, he's trustworthy

He's a good soldier

[terse idol]

He's not wrong

They aren't picking them up by the scruff they're picking them up by the collar

[lusty ether]

I really don't get the plasma gun

[umbral scaffold]

I thought it looked like the scruff 🤷‍♂️

Poor Kitty

[lusty ether]

Scruffing an animal is not an automatic total immobalisation cheat.

[gilded raft]

You should always grab a cat by the scruff when you dip it in guacamole, you get better coverage

[lusty ether]

It encourages them to calm down and be still.

it doesn't override their entire nervous system if they're worked up

[umbral scaffold]

I always thought it hurt them grabbing them like that or picking them up at all so I would always just leave my cats be and they were cool w me

[lusty ether]

so it's probably not a good idea to scruff an adult cat

but it's not really meant to be painful

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah cause my cats were big

[lusty ether]

it's how parent animals carry their children

[arctic rampart]

Yeah it probably doesnt feel good

[lusty ether]

you can scruff a full sized ferret, no problem

[gilded raft]

I enjoy it when it's done to me

[arctic rampart]

Shit am I in zealot chat again

[umbral scaffold]

I didn't argue because I didn't know the facts 🤓

[lusty ether]

it just seems...weird

I miss my irondrake pistols from vermintide

[arctic rampart]

are you doing charge attacks or just hipfiring it

[gilded raft]

This is the Internet. Facts are irrelevant, argue away!

[lusty ether]

both? I'm just trying to get a feel for it and it doesn't seem that great for my playstyle

[arctic rampart]

the plasma makes a billion times more sense if you just do hipfire attacks until 100%, then vent once, shoot twice, repeat

you might "get it" when you infinite cleave through the entire screen worth of enemies at once. thats when it worked for me

with gets hot and the +strength when you got heat it feels awesome

[gilded raft]

Pretty much nothing requires a charged plasma attack. Spam hips cause it hits hard enough, and vents quickly

[lusty ether]

eh

[arctic rampart]

dont use it then, games for having fun. everyone gonna vibe with different weapons. I'm having a lot of fun with recon lately

[lusty ether]

if a decent one drops, maybe

probably just gonna ignore it otherwise

[arctic rampart]

only malice mouth breathing shitlords care what weapon anyone else uses just have fun

[gilded raft]

I don't like it cause it's a bit too strong 1 taps most things, just turns the whole thing into a point and click adventure

[thick rose]

is there any concensus on dagger blessings for a weapon specialist build?

[gilded raft]

If you want a big bonk gun, bolter is more fun

[hollow ibex]

idc what people use, until it starts adversely affecting the rest of the team

[gilded raft]

Crit on dodge + bleed on crit

[hollow ibex]

some people just forget they're part of a fucking team

and not playing a singleplayer game

[arctic rampart]

T.dmg (Carapace)
T.dmg (Elite / Flak) / +2 stamina
Uncanny Strike / Riposte
Flesh Tearer / Precognition / Mercy Killer

[hollow ibex]

depends, which mark are you using?

[terse idol]

You don't really need a super min maxed plasmagun besides

Maximum damage rolls

[arctic rampart]

for WS specifically means you're probably swapping between whatever your ranged is and melee to keep it active. mark3 is more lights, mark6 is heavies.. so what is your ranged not killing your dagger should take care of it

[terse idol]

But yeah it is just

Left click spam

[lusty ether]

like I get that the plasma gun is maybe a bit more overkill damage than the bolter, but the bolter already seems like a lot more 'on demand' overkill for general use

[terse idol]

Never right click

[thick rose]

what do you reckon for both?

[terse idol]

I mean it actually has tighterr breakpoints

[thick rose]

I enjoy both, would be interested to know

[terse idol]

The plasmagun that is

You're typically not shooting hordes with these guns

(I'd argue the plasmagun has less overkill damage because the breakpoint is tighter)

[thick rose]

I use flesh tearer and riposte. on mk3 atm. occured to me I could mix it upo

[gilded raft]

They're both very strong, but the bolter has more ways to use it. Mag dump bosses and big mixed hordes, aim to snipe, 1-tap elites. The plasma is just spam hip fires

[lusty ether]

I miss my irondrake pistols

[arctic rampart]

I'm really not that good with dagger ... but I really like uncanny on all my melees

[lusty ether]

was kinda hoping the plasma gun would be sorta similar to the irondrakes

since it's a charge gun

[arctic rampart]

Don't see how you can go wrong with uncanny + riposte for fast crit stabbies

[gilded raft]

You kinda don't need uncanny with the knife

[hollow ibex]

mk6 is what nikola posted above. mk3 is uncanny + lacerate.

mk3's attack angles are so fucked that lacerate works exceptionally well

[thick rose]

Ill spin up a mk6 that way then 😄

[gilded raft]

The crits already merc most things reliably enough,, additional bleed from flesh tarer feels comfy cause it cleans up targets your speeding through

[arctic rampart]

Seems like it. Strangely I really like tac axe 7 more than dagger anyway. I only played like 5 or 10 matches with knife but the range feels unnatural to me

[thick rose]

and might have to make a big bolter... and maybe finally learn how to animation cancel it out

[hollow ibex]

taxe and dagger are both really fun

[arctic rampart]

big fan of lights + W into their faces

[thick rose]

I think I am that degenrate now