veteran-class

[narrow frost]

I wiped them recently

[radiant chasm]

and only maniacs it does well vs

heaven forbid it's unarmored at a far distance or FLAK

shooting a scab rager must be hell for the shredder pistol now

[narrow frost]

not really

[tame lodge]

Sorry Ainz, not falling for your SAP propaganda

Maybe next patch

https://tenor.com/view/rain-beer-gif-25892029

[tall torrent]

Nah

Combat shotgun is debatably worse

No purpose or niche

[full schooner]

also kinda ugly

[tame lodge]

Sounds like a cool debate

We could go from base weapon, to blessings to the different marks

I'm just tired today, sorry maybe another day

[uncut pebble]

Idk, combat shotguns can actually drop elites and specialists from further than 5ft away...

Accatran, despite being the "worst" can still onetap drop gunners, shotgunners, and most specialists on headshot at ~20m out.

[hollow ibex]

Hey slug shotty can work without being a massive drag on the team's ammo economy

I'd take a shotgun user over a SAP user on my team anydat

[hollow ibex]

And SAP users are always selfish cunts with 900 percent ammo taken and the least ranged damage in the team

[pseudo patrol]

did the vetren get a rework or no the ogryn is the first one ?

[pseudo fiber]

Psyker was the first one

[uncut pebble]

Psyker was first, then ogryn on the 25th, then it'll likely be zealout and vet in that order.

Zealout has a strong kit but zero build diversity because 90% of the nodes are terrible.

[hollow ibex]

it's weird to me that psyker was first

[uncut pebble]

Psyker also had horrendous build diversity.

It was either soulblaze spam staff or gunker but shite.

[narrow frost]

always? no. thats most players when they spam ranged weapons

I dont spam it

[uncut pebble]

Now they actually have some flavor outside of that and you can run EP without feeling like you're gimping yourself.

[narrow frost]

2 bullets to stagger then get close to melee

[hollow ibex]

obviously hyperbole lol

i'm not adding qualifying language in a discord message

but let's just say that the VAST MAJORITY of SAP players i've seen are horrible

[narrow frost]

the ammo hog issue is with any ranged weapon

[hollow ibex]

and actively drag down the rest of the team

[hollow ibex]

especially bad with SAP though

bolter users can be ammo hogs, gunluggers can be ammo hogs, but their guns can do actual damage

[hollow ibex]

anyways it doesn't sound like you're part of the problem, i'm just talking about my experience playing with SAP pubbies...

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-crying-tears-sad-frog-gif-11760285

[uncut pebble]

The only time I've ever seen SAP users in pubs, they grab 400 ammo and instantly die because their melee is ds and then they talk mad shit and leave because I don't instantly pick them up.

I have never seen SAP without ds4 as the melee choice.

[narrow frost]

and I'll always defend my fav ranged weapon

[narrow frost]

taxe is my choice

[steep flower]

If you wanna use a braced weapon type use braced autoguns not the SAP; SAP has in comparrison to braced autos INSANE stagger on each shot, pulls out faster than braced autos, reloads faster and has slightly tighter cone of fire. The rest braced autos do better, way better (worst offence; why when you hipfire the SAP you move like a crippled old man while hipfiring braced autos has no visible penalty to movement speed? Why?)

I love the concept of a SAP but holy Emperor after they nerfed pinning fire on it (and maybe other things i can’t remember) it became a barrel bottom…

[hollow ibex]

Hope it'll be usable after the patch

[narrow frost]

movement tech

[glacial sigil]

What kinda stats are we looking for when we want a good weapon?
I know that 80-60 is what's preferred but what's the 60 supposed to be on?

[tame lodge]

Tool assisted skip

[narrow frost]

no damage taken from that

[hearty panther]

There is absolutely movement loss when bracing the autoguns.

[narrow frost]

would've been like 60 hp damage

[hollow ibex]

check pins

pins will tell you what the dump stat should be

[glacial sigil]

thank you

[tall torrent]

Which weapon

[trim badger]

YESSSSSSSSSSS

Finally it's complete...

[glacial sigil]

ah just generally, but I found it in the docs!

[jaunty sphinx]

God it was such a good feeling to finally get my last 17% toughness

Congrats

[tall torrent]

Some may not be up to date

[glacial sigil]

For now I'm following a build on gameslantern and using autogun mkv and chainsword mkxiii

so probably those

[tall torrent]

Infantry autogun V dump mobility 60%

Chainsword dump mobility 60% (or better yet, not use a chainsword)

[glacial sigil]

what should I use then?

[tall torrent]

Axe, power sword

Chainsword is unfortunately very 1-dimensional on veteran

Bad vs armor
Bad vs mixed horde

That’s already dealbreaker basically

[glacial sigil]

I do have this axe, I'll switch to it perhaps?

I haven't gotten a power sword drop yet

[jaunty sphinx]

I love the rashad

[tall torrent]

Works

You need brutal momentum on it

[jaunty sphinx]

Give it brutal momentum and headtaker

[tall torrent]

Otherwise axe not worth playing

[jaunty sphinx]

Then spam lights on chaff and heavies on everything else

[glacial sigil]

gotcha

this works?

[trim badger]

time to sell all 16% curios

[glacial sigil]

Can't wait to get to level 30 so I can finally try more builds 😭

[tall torrent]

Unarmored
Carapace

As perks

[kind scarab]

The universe has deigned I awake and live another day.

I am immediately making that everyone's problem.

[faint beacon]

I wake up mad knowing I can’t strangle some of you

[jaunty sphinx]

been out of the loop with vet completely, how do I wanna build plasma gun going into havoc?

been getting the itch to plasma again

[tall torrent]

Combat axe III
Unarmored
Carapace
Brutal momentum
Headtaker

Power sword VI
Carapace
Elite
Power cycler
Sunder

Plasma gun
Unarmored
Flak
Rising heat
Gets hot

[jaunty sphinx]

oh I meant the blessings and such but this helps to- ah

thank you!

[glacial sigil]

thanks!

[wheat stratus]

I'm curious, what's the logic behind these choices

[austere mica]

Plasma has a 45 round mag

And get back in the fight is extremely discounted TWBS with a terrible trigger

[wheat stratus]

yeah but isn't one of the top boon of WS is not having to deal with that horrendous plasma reload

[austere mica]

You can cut it to 4.5 seconds or so pretty easily

[hollow ibex]

you reload plasma like 3 times a game lol

unless you're using it way too much or obsessed with tac reloads

[tall torrent]

Catch a breath is better than GBITF in 95%+ situations and in the last 5%, GBITF doesn’t do enough

CQKZ is safe pick generalist red node, marksman can also be used (hits a bit harder but no major breakpoint differences, less generalist)

Always prepared is pretty much a wasted point for plasma

[wheat stratus]

wait, why would Always Prepared be waste for plasma

[tall torrent]

You have 45 shots between reloads on a gun that can only fire up to 8 times at a time until needing to vent, which only enables 2 shots before venting again

You can sprint cancel to cut its reload down to ~6s

There are very very very few situations where you may need to actually use >half of plasma’s mag size in a fight

[austere mica]

If you do need to you are fucked

[tall torrent]

You’re gonna top it up between fights anyway

What’s the point of filling 1 ammo back in from time to time

[austere mica]

I think its one shot per stack

[tall torrent]

It’s at least 1 ammo

[austere mica]

wait does it count magazine in addition to reserve?

[tall torrent]

It rounds up to always be at least 1 ammo

Scales from magazine’s missing ammo

[wheat stratus]

interesting, I'll greed AP for dmg and see how it goes then

[tall torrent]

So u can’t even properly cheese it by having it run down to 0 and then filling 1s to try to use less ammo per shot

[austere mica]

Oh wait I'm mixing it with survivalist

[tall torrent]

Because if u let it run down to 1 then you’re filling at least 4 ammo into gun

[tall torrent]

I know some people take it for QoL

But it’s really just a waste of a point imo

Wasting points like that on the most taxed talent tree in the game is crazy to me

[steep pier]

total L

im trash as vet with any gun other then helbore

helbore is the only weapon i do good with

[faint beacon]

Are you like specifically sniping with it or like

What are doing exactly playstyle wise

[jaunty sphinx]

I want to like the helbore so badly

but I am just raw ass with it

[hollow ibex]

it's not easy to play, recommend ES with it

[kind scarab]

Easy, just shoot more.

[steep pier]

i use it for both range and close range the bayonet is good for dealing with ragers and it does a lot of dmg to traitor captain shields

[kind scarab]

I went from enjoying none of the guns to being a menace with the single fire weapons (minus boltor)

[steep pier]

faster then other sources

[kind scarab]

Shield is usually resistant to ranged damage iirc

[steep pier]

fair point

[kind scarab]

There was a point where your zealot could dash triggering crits on his guns for a hot second. You'd use a Braced autogun and just floor the boss.

[austere mica]

100% rending laspistol eating crushers

[kind scarab]

Haven't used a laspistol in ages. Really ought to use it again for a smidge.

Shredder pistol too, is gonna be spicy with the buffs coming out.

[kind scarab]

Thanks for reminding me, I need to do that too

[austere mica]

Total unyielding death

[faint beacon]

Vigilant Autos…

[austere mica]

Amazing sidearm for psyker

[faint beacon]

🗣️

[austere mica]

Use it on my melee psyker tac axe build

Will kill fucking bulwarks in like 1-2 of their swings

Liquifies reapers

Does pretty good boss damage

And provides on demand EE uptime

[kind scarab]

I prefer the laspistol on zealot imma be honest for the silly amounts of crit, and the backstab nonsense when shooting bosses when they ain't looking at me

[austere mica]

Zealot has Bolter

[kind scarab]

I really dislike the boltor

[austere mica]

I use it as a Cara/unyielding burst tool

Draw to deal with a boss or an ogryn swarm/mixed horde

[jaunty sphinx]

Throwing knife animation cancelling the draw animation helps immensely on bolter zealot too

[kind scarab]

I have long ranged enemy ptsd, so I prefer having something I can mess up enemies with that are way outta my range but still annoying

[faint beacon]

Vigilant autos…

I’m going to keep suggesting my lukewarm gun till you use it…

[austere mica]

I did use it

It’s neat

But I don’t like vet

[kind scarab]

I'm on my ride to work, can't use a vigi rn

[faint beacon]

It’s pretty solid on a Sharpshooter psyker

[kind scarab]

Maybe after work

[faint beacon]

Actually kind of a fun playstyle tbh

[kind scarab]

Speaking of, ride to work takes ages. Time for a catnap.

See yall in a smidge.

[arctic rampart]

What am I doing wrong with mk6 combat knife? I survive fine, I'm useful. The problem is my damage is notably lower when I use knife compared to weapons I don't suck at. Mostly doing heavies, some push attacks. Feels like the dagger range is just so tiny I'm missing swings? Anyone have advice? Weapon specialist, VoC w/ usual talents. Probably played 3 or 4 games now w/ knife.

Currently riposte & uncanny on it but I tried the bleed setup too

[faint beacon]

The knife isn’t going to top score damage easy peasy

Especially if it’s specifically being used to horde clear

It’s great at nuking elites and specials but the bleed build helps a lot with managing hordes

[arctic rampart]

I'm using it for most elites though ragers seem to surprisingly require more timing than I've got with it so far

ogryn actually seem trivial w/ knife compared to say power sword

hmm I do think it just feels worse with hordes you might be right on that

it is notably worse for hordes for me compared to say light spam ds4

[faint beacon]

I mean I mix lights in also

With my Mk6

That usually gives me enough stagger combined with bleed to kill them

[kind scarab]

Disappointing nap. There was too much sun.

[faint beacon]

THE MIGHTY SUN

[kind scarab]

It kept shining a light on me

Now that I'm at work though, imma just sit down for the next few hours and chill.

How's your night going Galeo?

I figure it's like, 12:30 there almost

[faint beacon]

It’s 1:36

Planning to sleep soon have work at 12 EST

[kind scarab]

Eepy shork

Don't do what I do and sleep 3 times a day

[faint beacon]

I enjoy taking naps

[amber ether]

you should try sleeping 4 times a day

[faint beacon]

Mainly cause im horrendous caffeine addicted and it’s the 1 of handful of things that make me happy

Which is sleeping

[kind scarab]

Caffeine doesn't work on me on count of the adhd

I'm fueled by Anarchy and spite

[faint beacon]

Me chugging my 15th monster of the month

[kind scarab]

Rookie numbers

[faint beacon]

I love horrible energy drinks!

Oh I usually drink like 1-2 a day

Yeah it’s unhealthy

But it’s my only vice

[kind scarab]

I have a couple of friends in IT that have that amount daily

Another lives off of like, two liters of Dr pepper a day

[stiff glacier]

I love my daily cans of monster

[wind warren]

I need my bulldog heavy stubber for veteran

Hell, I think a enforcer class would be cool

[kind scarab]

Yall are tempting me to get monster

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/dentist-teeth-john-finlay-tiger-king-hartz-iv-gif-16813299

[wind warren]

Don't drink monster

Drink suicide sodas

[kind scarab]

Tbf, they rarely have my favourite flavour where I am

Which is a lemonade style monster

[wind warren]

Fair

I love mixing cherry Pepsi, Coke, and dr pepper together

[kind scarab]

Now that I think about it, the majority of carbonated drinks I enjoy are some form of lemon flavour.

[wind warren]

The carbonation burns its way through my throat

[kind scarab]

Now that you mention it. Maybe its because the acidity of the lemonade coupled with carbonation makes a drink that's even more evil going in

Yeah, I'll go with that logic. I'm fueled by evil lemonade.

[wind warren]

Lemon recaff

[kind scarab]

Literally just this

Zero calories, all chems and caffeine

Go juice

[wind warren]

Based

[lone mesa]

Rebuilding my vet after being gone for a year, is there currently any talents that are still bugged and not working properly? I think ive gone through all the patchnotes but i could have missed some. Like i think that exhilarating takedown or whatever was bugged for ages

[steep flower]

if you brace them; not when you hipfire

[frank basin]

Diabetus

[grand perch]

Nothing comes to mind

[kind scarab]

You'd think so, but nah built like a stickbug

[grand perch]

But I'm naturally forgetful

[kind scarab]

Man's got the metabolism of a tween

[kind scarab]

Iirc those got fixed with Locked n Loaded

No more reversed effects

[stoic thorn]

How I deadass look at my team with zero team toughness regen

Like 2 zealots

None brought chorus

A psyker with shield

Finally

Nope they picked the fucking rectangle

[kind scarab]

I feel so bad for you

I had the most locked in psyker yesterday, man practically solod the whole auric

[stoic thorn]

I run exe stance plasma dawg

I delete the elites

[kind scarab]

I haven't used plasma in ages, need to fix my old gun up

I almost always preferred revolver over it

[odd sparrow]

Exe stance feeld pretty pointless on plasma it easily hits the 1hit BPs against most enemies anyway. So you are only taking exe stance for the piss-o-vision. Id take VoC instead considering the negligible damage loss and the huge upsides of VoC

[kind scarab]

When the whole map is a blur of bodies and the team ain't the type to take damage often if at all, the wall hacks makes removing dangerous small targets a breeze

[odd sparrow]

I suppose but planning too much around already succeding means its harder to turn it around when your team starts to slip

[placid swan]

For using infantry lasguns pretty much exclusively, has anyone run into ammo problems? When I use the MkIX I'm fine, but with the Mk VII, I run out about twice every mission. On Dif 4.

[odd sparrow]

lasguns have near infinite ammo in general especially so with shock trooper + deadshot or headhunter

if you are running out of ammo constantly you may need to use melee more when enemies are close instead of eating your ammo

[serene bough]

VII is the least ammo efficient of the batch

that being said, its still ammo efficient, esp with supporting talents like shocktroop

[stoic thorn]

How zealot channel looks at you when you're not dodging 24/7 for second wind or smth

[atomic void]

u should be dodging on every class

[grizzled pebble]

So you flame others for not bringing toughness regen but you also brought none.

[tough tiger]

Pus hardened made me realize why no one uses autoguns in havoc

@tropic notch noob, listen to tanner more

[tame lodge]

Yeah it's either Bolt weapons (access to puncture but not the best ammo economy) or any of the las weapons (access to infernus, good ammo economy)

[unreal nova]

Bolt Pistol comes with Lethal prox though, 'nades being a bread and butter there.

[tame lodge]

That as well

[grizzled pebble]

Karien when are you showing us your sick vet in havoc?

[unreal nova]

Never, I like aura and book for H40.

[grizzled pebble]

[kind scarab]

Corruption reduction aura?

[unreal nova]

Yep.

[kind scarab]

Based

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/sir-yes-sir-gif-9677227512883570825

[unreal nova]

If you want to see bad penance builds, Havoc 1-10 only.

@solar monolith HOST MOAR LOW HAVS SO I CAN PENANCE GRIND REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[wheat stratus]

that actually reminds me to ask, do you have to pull out the bolter pistol before nade explosion for it to work or just having the pistol equipped is good enough

[kind scarab]

Poor guy getting yelled at

[unreal nova]

Yes, I totally did not crabwalk slash things in havoc.

[unreal nova]

Nope, you can even have knoife out.

[wheat stratus]

sweet

[unreal nova]

Or whatever melee you use.

[unreal nova]

Eh, we do this often enough it's more of a joke than anything.

[kind scarab]

I figured, I'm being a tease

[trim badger]

ohhh where did you get the thing that tells you which weapons everyone has

[solar monolith]

SOON ™️ (after the 25th)

I NEED A BREAK

[unreal nova]

But, but... I rushed my H40 to pester you.

[solar monolith]

😭

[tropic notch]

Now do it with the mk5 ds melee psyker

[austere pine]

this was the most stressful mission of my darktide career and it was just an easy auric mael

[kind scarab]

Good job

You survived

[austere pine]

2 psykers, a zealot and me as veteran. zealot started out using only the flamer, ended up only spamming book (ammo was full, saw no flames but mine). one psyker shot a voidstrike ball once and continued the match on smite, deimos and lmb spam (without quell cancel), the other was mispositioning 7/10 times and used his EK staff maybe 3 times the entire match

also no pings, little horde clear (somehow was almost fine, but it should have been mega safe) and absolutely 0 crusher clear (had to put my antax to work, poor thing) (we had 2 staves which are good at dealing with carapace and a relic blade)

i'm not insulting anyone, everyone starts somewhere, but wow was this tough for me

were i less on point with voc and special picking, we'd be doomed

the gall

[formal ice]

Sux?

[austere pine]

yeah

like vbux

or robux

except for sucking

[formal ice]

Vet coin

[austere pine]

suck bucks

huge

[faint beacon]

This team sucks! And then just refuses to do any horde clear whatsoever

Zealot moment

[kind scarab]

Zealots live for the hordes tho

[final charm]

Better yet they watch you and type in the chat while you get swarmed.

Not the knife zealots 😂

[kind scarab]

Jokes on them, ingame comms don't work for me

So I can't hear/see when they rage

I live off of vibes and spite

Or just use discord to communicate cause its more functional than fatsharks stuff

[formal ice]

So you don't Gg

[kind scarab]

Nah I spam thanks instead

[formal ice]

Don't sound same

[kind scarab]

You do the best you can with what you have

[faint beacon]

Yeah but it’s funnier to hear me turn on in game VC and make incoherent noises to indicate that I fucked up bad

Flash back to me bull rushing into a 14 shotgunner pack

[kind scarab]

Fatshark has stolen that privilage from me by changing how voice comms work between VT2 and this game

Prolly for the best tho, you can't imagine how bad comms got for me in VT2

or any other game with comms for that matter

It can get... interesting

[austere pine]

it's not that horde clear wasn't being done, it's that, based on how much clear we had (especially considering mixed hordes and elites just didn't happen. i remember a grand total of 2 mixed hordes consisting of cannon fodder and like 2 or 3 maulers), i shouldn't have even needed to pull out my melee as a vet whose job for the team was shooting down specials

i was struggling any time i didn't have grenades because those hordes were not dying

[kind scarab]

Unrelated note: But I think the blight smoke was what caused my game to utterly shit itself yesterday. That + my ping = constant kicks in NA for me

[austere pine]

i just go "shite" every time i mess up

especially when i blow myself up as psyker

[kind scarab]

Depends on the situation, I can go anywhere from incoherent sounds to cursing

[austere pine]

OH

another happening from that game

there was a drop after a med station. the station was a full heal one, 4 charges, you know the deal

a psyker on less than 1 wound (no corrupted ones) didn't heal himself, dropped down and not 5 seconds later went down because of low hp

[tall torrent]

that straight up should not be happening given u have an antax combat axe

[austere pine]

not super struggling but getting stuck in for prolonged periods of time

which i didn't want to happen because that team refused to ping, pay attention to specialist noises or even pay attention to my pings

[faint beacon]

Could be a reason

[gilded wraith]

@tall torrent Has the MK10 laspistol grown on you any in the steam guide?

[grand perch]

my money's on no

[faint beacon]

I can confidently say he’s a hater of it

[tall torrent]

It’s mid

My opinion has only been further supported by facts after I did its section

[dusty sluice]

real

is there a specific weapon that any of you jmust hate using? :3

[faint beacon]

Plasma

I hate using plasma

I just don’t like how it feels even though i pathetically easily top score with it

[terse idol]

All I'm saying is like

You neeed to be able to do both

If your melee is struggling to kill melee well for one you're not killing the ai directed spawn wave that's on you technically

[kind scarab]

Chain. Axe.

I'll practically use anything other than a chainaxe or a helbore.

Though in the helbores defense, I could probably make a build catered to it that I tolerate

[tame lodge]

Tactical Axe and Shredder Auto Pistol

Shredder just sucks

Tactical axe doesn't feel good

Maybe it's because I need to spam attacks like crazy

Just to feel like it's doing something

[kind scarab]

Shredder getting buffed next patch

Gonna get I think like, 30% buff overall?

I already enjoy it for some silly setups with stealth, so that buff gonna make it even better for me

[tame lodge]

They are buffing the finesse ratios as well
After I play Ogryn for another 500 hours I'll test it on psyker

[kind scarab]

Already counted that into the 30%

[dusty sluice]

something i can agree with :3

[kind scarab]

Base damage should be going up by ~25%

Finesse is going from 0.3 to 0.5 at baseline

Which looks huge, but not that huge unless big crit build / HS fishing

which is hard on an smg

(max is from 0.9 to 1.5)

So honestly the class that benefits the most from this is gonna be Z E A L O T

Which is the class I liked using it on the most anyway.

[faint beacon]

The only melee I just can’t get into is Power sword

[tall torrent]

Not relevant

Mainly the 25% damage increase

That’s good

[narrow frost]

😦

[narrow frost]

push attack and H1 is horde clear for mk 7

its not just lights

[grand perch]

never have i been so shocked, bewildered, angry

[tame lodge]

But why though
It should be common knowledge that I'm not big fan of tactical axes

I do acknowledge that there's insane players out there that can make it work though

More power, I mean, strength to them

Actually screw that power

Remove the cap

Now that would be good

[slim copper]

Watching Cole pa h1 loop down a crazy mixed horde with melee psyker definitely has me looking at it differently

[faint beacon]

Personal attack towards Ainz

Come 25th I seriously need to see if the Shredder benefits from MMF

[tame lodge]

It does fit the Run and Gun play style MMF

[wheat stratus]

the pa h1 loop is what make that axe a thing, you can slug it out even with ragers, very kino

big downside is crusher/bulkwark dmg, takes forever

[tame lodge]

Just trying to hit heads would be a little annoying because braced

At least you can close the distance pretty well

[faint beacon]

I know this is sarcasm but like, aim fire heads run camo and tunnel vision

[broken spade]

I think the only melee weapon that i've used that i dislike using is dclaw

[faint beacon]

Might get good benefit out of it

[broken spade]

i haven't really given it a fair chance after they improved the parry but i doubt my opinion will change much

[tame lodge]

Hmmm
Tunnel Vision and Inspiring Barrage

https://tenor.com/view/i-may-not-have-a-brain-gentlemen-but-i-have-an-idea-monsters-vs-aliens-blob-monster-i-may-not-have-a-brain-gentlemen-but-i-have-an-idea-gif-27360547

[faint beacon]

O4B

Cause it also increases it’s total toughness gained also

[kind scarab]

You take that back or ill put you on a pizza

[faint beacon]

Says you

[kind scarab]

I love dclaw

Whatchu on about

[broken spade]

every time i bring dclaw, some smite psyker comes in and i have nothing to parry

the thing is cursed

the mere thought of parrying summons every player on the team to spam stagger attacks on every enemy nearby

[kind scarab]

That excuse I can get behind

But it's not the poor dclaws fault

[grand perch]

its been the same for me, its infuriating

[tame lodge]

Yeah, a flaw on the Dclaw would be the poor flak adm

😭

[kind scarab]

Speakin of

I saw void armor adm on the patch notes

Is that a new enemy type for next patch, or something I'm missing

[faint beacon]

Traitor Captain shields

[kind scarab]

Oh those guys

[faint beacon]

Or Dreg Champion shields

[kind scarab]

Meh

[faint beacon]

That’s classified as “Void Shield”

[kind scarab]

Time to drop into maelstrom to test builds and prepare for havoc

[tall torrent]

void shield is technically a unique adm but it usually doesn't matter that much because it has dmg gate

[hollow ibex]

Fast weapons do best against it right?

[tall torrent]

depends

[kind scarab]

This auric maelstrom was going fine

But holy shit there was two 30+10's that were not helpful

And when I revived them

fuckers were afk

We were like 70% of the way done with the mission too

[hollow ibex]

AM pub experience

[kind scarab]

It's like. Either you go in with reasonable people, in which case you can't tell if you're good enough to do these kinda missions.

Or you go in with randoms, and you question if you're the problem

There's no middle ground.

Man, I sure ate a ton of ammo (granted I was using shredder and two of the randoms weren't even using their guns)

[wanton dawn]

I unironically test my builds in maelstrom

[kind scarab]

I'm pretty sure the issue wasn't my build this time, just that the two guys I revived deciding to stay afk instead of ya know, doing anything after the revive

Guys immediately went limp as soon as two of them got downed

[serene bough]

Same

[wanton dawn]

Meh, they are day with and days without. And some ppl make game unironically harder than when going with bots or solo

[kind scarab]

Yeap

[wanton dawn]

Bot are surprisingly good at not going down

[kind scarab]

Think this was my second ever auric maelstrom I tried, first one I just rubberbanded like crazy in

[wanton dawn]

Meanwhile, some ppl makes game super smooth without the scoreboard showing it

[kind scarab]

Gonna go again now that a new one is in rota and hopefully I don't run into another pair of +10's who're just trying out maelstrom for the first time

[vernal trench]

Surprised u didnt rotate through 10 players

[vernal trench]

Cuz they can actually dodge

[kind scarab]

Well I was killing pretty much any ranged enemies that popped up before they shot anyone down, but when we were going to leave the room we were in via elevator after hacking the console

It seems like all of them forgot how objectives work and just danced around the room lost

Got downed

Then went afk

[vernal trench]

What map was it

[kind scarab]

I am horrid with names

Gimme a sec

Throneside

The one where you go to a massive library of sorts

Right after the first console section in the pentagonal room you defend in

[umbral scaffold]

Now I have depression when I stop playing fanatic zealot his such a cheerful lad

[kind scarab]

So, I assume Archivum Sycorax?

[dry cloak]

both throne side commsplex and archivum sycorax take place at archivum sycroax

[umbral scaffold]

I like this role-playing

[tame lodge]

Yeah but like
I don't remember Sicko rats having a defense event
So it has to be the Commsplex

[vernal trench]

Archavum barross?

[umbral scaffold]

He makes the darkest run be a little brighter

[kind scarab]

Commsplex takes you over to the towers you gotta adjust to leave tho

I think

[vernal trench]

Theres 3 thronesides

[kind scarab]

I was heading down to the area with all the scriptures and big ass library

[dry cloak]

encloavum baross

[vernal trench]

That thing

[kind scarab]

This one

[tame lodge]

That's Sicko rats

Lemme see if I remember correctly

Drop in at the sewers

Go up a couple stairs

Past the big corridor

Get on the side entrance

Labyrinth time

Past the labyrinth you'll be inside the archivum

Room with the skull

Go to an airlock

Down the stairs

Down the stairs (again)

[surreal gust]

Completely unrelated question, but does anyone know the cadian standard issue?

[tame lodge]

Final event

[wanton dawn]

Call it the door event map. Or the speedrunner map

[kind scarab]

Door event?

[analog mural]

Do you mean like what the standard cadian would be issued in the lore?

[wanton dawn]

Archivum middle event, with door closing and opening

[surreal gust]

Yeah what the typical infantryman would have with them

[analog mural]

Probably just flak armour and a lasgun I imagine

[kind scarab]

Oh the one with all the fire?

[surreal gust]

Specific kind or just a lasgun

I was gonna bring a chainsword regardless

[wanton dawn]

I mean, you posted the picture. You tell me

[analog mural]

Uhh check the wikis for that I imagine

Don't think cadia makes em so probably like a kantrael or something standard like that

[kind scarab]

Yeah no, that's not the map then.

[tame lodge]

Infantry Lasgun
Plasma
Autopistol
Laspistol
Combat knife

[kind scarab]

Lemme find it exactly, since I am still god awful with names

[tame lodge]

Frags and Kraks

Pretty sure Cadians are trained on a lot of weapons though

[kind scarab]

Alright, so went and found a video to double check exactly what map it was

It was 100% Comms-Plex 154/2f

[surreal gust]

Yep, kantrael M36

[kind scarab]

https://youtu.be/6VX6fnxf1fY?t=938

[analog mural]

For melee standard cadian would probably just have a shovel

[sudden elm]

what vet build do you least expect a good player to be using

[kind scarab]

We died right around this point in the map

[surreal gust]

No specifications for melee weapons

[wanton dawn]

The forge one then

[surreal gust]

Yeah, fortress world so lots of top of the line equipment

[tame lodge]

Kind of hard question
A good player could be running meta or whatever since they are good

Anyways VoC

[surreal gust]

I’m thinking chainsword, shovel, knife, one of those

[analog mural]

Autopistol+non-folding shovel

[kind scarab]

Isn't this one the one with the giant satellite dish?

[tall torrent]

kantrael MG pattern lasgun, frag & krak grenades, combat knife, basic survival kit, imperial guardsman handbook, etc

[kind scarab]

How dare you talk shit about shovel

[tall torrent]

this is like, the quintessential cadian guardsman

[kind scarab]

Or the shredder pistol

[wanton dawn]

Oh, google image lied to me

[analog mural]

Name a more boring melee, I'll wait

[kind scarab]

Chain axe

[surreal gust]

Some cadians also carry other guns or melee right

[kind scarab]

No need to wait

[analog mural]

Nah chainaxe is fire

[wanton dawn]

Google being useless these days

[surreal gust]

I love chainaxe

[tall torrent]

however cadian soldiers can be assigned into small teams that use different weapons, like a plasma gun in an anti-armor role

a longlas for recon

etc

[tame lodge]

Relay station mission where you go into a Commsplex
Commsplex mission where you go to a relay station

💀

[kind scarab]

Shovel has the most satisfying thunk sound when you crack a skull in

[surreal gust]

Oh, okay, that makes sense

[wanton dawn]

I expect any good vet build to use the 50% tdr on 75% thougness+

[tall torrent]

then u can get into the more elite stuff like Kasrkin which have standard issue plasma weaponry, hotshot lasguns, hotshot volleyguns, bolt pistols, etc

[surreal gust]

I saw one with a chainsword on GW, and did notice how many different weapons they had

[tall torrent]

this is also where power sword comes into the mix

[sudden elm]

what's the least popular build for vet, even among new players

[surreal gust]

Okay so I can kinda use whatever I want

With the exception of like Dclaw and some others

[wanton dawn]

Smoke, speed, infiltrate, marksman focus

[tall torrent]

https://youtu.be/m8ZBwNg-5CI?si=Ilv8XqMIgj9kuaFJ

[sudden elm]

me an oggy main giving depression to all the deamons since they cant move a shield to the side 3 inches

[tall torrent]

this is Kasrkin vs ork commandos

[kind scarab]

Now do the same thing, but with Psyker

[tall torrent]

u can see they have a hotshot lasgun in a sniper role (guy with helmet), plasma pistol, power sword, rotary grenade launcher

[sudden elm]

MAGIC MISSILE

[kind scarab]

No no

[wanton dawn]

Me as a psyker, having very loud brainfart

[kind scarab]

Full block, deflect, block = peril, peril resist

[tame lodge]

Dclaw is most likely Catachan's (it's in the name)

[kind scarab]

Dodge, block, clear dance

Make deamon question life choices

[sudden elm]

MAGIC MISSLE the action of throwing a rock

[wanton dawn]

Sounds like dying with extra steps

[surreal gust]

Right

[tall torrent]

pretty much?

but also like, given Darktide's context, even the most elite cadian troops would be basically in a "use whatever I can get my hands on" mode

[kind scarab]

Nah, you don't even end up taking more than corruption AOE damage with that setup

[surreal gust]

Can someone send the cadian armor set we have from the commodore

[tall torrent]

there're several lol

[kind scarab]

Can you fight back? Not really. But that's what the team is for.

[faint beacon]

If it kills they’ll use it

That’s just how veterans are

[surreal gust]

How many is several

[wanton dawn]

I play ps anyway. If i aggro dh without shout and a ledge, i die

[surreal gust]

I would look on the commodore page on the wiki but it literally doesn’t work on mobile devices

[kind scarab]

I only aggro dh on my psyker when I'm on melee. Just because I can drag it around the map a while and it's funny

[tall torrent]

Cadian light armor
Cadian light armor (camo)

Cadian heavy armor - unreleased
Cadian heavy armor (camo)

Cadian tanker

Cadian officer
Cadian officer (camo)

[analog mural]

Use the reveal cosmetics mod

[surreal gust]

Someone else is using the PC rn

[faint beacon]

Nothing kasrkin or scion yet

Outside of the scion helm

[tall torrent]

cadian heavy armor is carapace, basically kasrkin

[kind scarab]

Speaking of which, I'mma update my tank psyker build

[surreal gust]

Uh I guess just heavy, tanker, and light, the default ones

If you got pictures

[tall torrent]

What’s default

[surreal gust]

Non camo

[faint beacon]

Scion armor also in the files collecting dust

Shocked they STILL haven’t done anything with it

[kind scarab]

They're saving it for a rainy day

[surreal gust]

Apparently we needed ork hunters first

[tall torrent]

heavy (clothing glitches in some 1st person animations, armor collar clips with every helmet)
light (incomplete render at low mesh LOD setting, leads to holes in clothing & gloves)
tanker (been out of rotation for 2y+)

[surreal gust]

Thanks, i appreciate it

Is the helmet a placeholder or

[tall torrent]

That’s scion helmet

[surreal gust]

Do they come with helmets or nah

[tall torrent]

They do

[surreal gust]

Okay

[tall torrent]

But I’m too lazy to find them

[surreal gust]

Alright, I’ll be on the lookout for em, praying for one next rotation

[tall torrent]

I’m hoping for Elysian rerun

[surreal gust]

Long as it’s not slop

[tall torrent]

Or some actual good armor

[dusty sluice]

hows helbore atm? :3

[surreal gust]

Quite good

[tall torrent]

Has major issues

[dusty sluice]

oh?, what kinda isssues?

[surreal gust]

The pull out time

For one

[tall torrent]

Low maniac damage
Low overall DPS
Super slow draw to fire & aim
Abysmal iron sights
Very high talent investment

[surreal gust]

Only thing you can fix is the sights if you’re on pc

[kind scarab]

(and use mods)

[surreal gust]

Yeah and use mods

[broken spade]

yeah but you get a funny stab

surely this balances out all of that

[dusty sluice]

thats a shame

[broken spade]

i think they're nerfing the stab attack speed tho

[kind scarab]

Does the helbore really need any nerfs

[surreal gust]

It is quite high

[kind scarab]

Let the poor thing live

[surreal gust]

But no it doesn’t need nerfs

[broken spade]

the stab is good dps

[surreal gust]

I really wish it had better pullout and stamina

[kind scarab]

Must. resist. commenting.

[analog mural]

Helbore weak pullout game

[kind scarab]

Doesn't last long either.

[surreal gust]

Shut it

[kind scarab]

They made me say it.

[tame lodge]

It's not even receiving a real nerf

[analog mural]

Don't blame me when you give in to your intrusive thoughts

[tame lodge]

But things like WS Helbore will be a weird meme thing

[kind scarab]

You made my intrusive thoughts intrusive actions

[terse idol]

Imo the stab is, fine with agile engagement, but i hope folks realise you gotta shoot alooot with it

Many folks thinking the stab is gonna carry em

[dusty sluice]

oh yeah, @tall torrent what was the ciag(the vraks now right?) build you suggested yesterday?

[terse idol]

I take foldable shovel now a days with hotshot on helbore for carapace

[surreal gust]

I forget the stab is on the gun lol

[kind scarab]

Whats foldable got that standard don't?

[surreal gust]

The fold

[kind scarab]

Okay, you make a valid point, but you know what i meant

[terse idol]

The carapace damage

[kind scarab]

Isn't that what ws rending talent is for anyway?

[terse idol]

The unfolding shovel has better horde control imo but piss poor carapace killing

[terse idol]

I don't take WS for my helbore build

And rending isn't gonna help the piss poor carapace damage on standard shovel

[kind scarab]

No like, on the shovel itself I mean

I usually roll with crit build on vet and couple that with the rending blessing

[tall torrent]

Just take 5% crit chance node and reciprocity

[tame lodge]

No Respite

[kind scarab]

Takes like, 5/6 good hits on a crusher to yeet them?

[dusty sluice]

what do those replace?

[kind scarab]

Naturally that ain't the best, but for a shovel I find it aight

[terse idol]

Why do that when you can do, Thrust, uncanny strike on the foldable shovel to 1-2 tap them

[kind scarab]

Haven't tried foldable shovel cause I like the aesthetics and bonk sounds of the regular shovel

[terse idol]

Whaat there are plenty of aesthetics on the foldable

[kind scarab]

It's like a shovel

But bent

[surreal gust]

And more practical

[kind scarab]

I really ought to try it

[tall torrent]

Are u like completely unable to make a build on ur own

[kind scarab]

Maybe I'll like the gay shovel more

If I gave it a chance

[faint beacon]

The Gay shovel

What does he mean by this

[surreal gust]

Finally a shovel for me

[kind scarab]

It's bent

😔

[surreal gust]

It’s not straight

[kind scarab]

^

[tall torrent]

Last 2 points into whatever u like

[dusty sluice]

atm, yeah, just relearning how vet builds look

[surreal gust]

I really need to learn better skill tree distribution

I’m bad at it

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-warhammer40k-vraks-siege-of-vraks-death-korps-gif-20931228

We can have a little bit of fruit on the battlefield

As a treat

[kind scarab]

What kinda fruit

I just had some figs, do those count?

[terse idol]

Those who know

💀

[faint beacon]

Those who snow

[kind scarab]

@faint beacon Your favourite

[faint beacon]

Explode

[kind scarab]

I did yesterday

[faint beacon]

Steel Legion > Krieg

[kind scarab]

Excuse me while I go kidnap a gay shovel from melk or someone

Damn, no good shovels on sale.

Guess I'm going to drop dockets on this

[surreal gust]

1. I agree 2. We know you like steel legion

[kind scarab]

First one

So damn close

I got 80% mobility like 5 times in a row

Game really wants me to go fast

[surreal gust]

All about that 60 defenses baby

[surreal thicket]

what perks should i run on the plasma gun?

[kind scarab]

You make a very valid claim

I should do that too

[faint beacon]

Mobility is less impactful

Dump stat mobility

[tame lodge]

Gimme a sec

[kind scarab]

I got one of each to see how I feel about it

[narrow frost]

[terse idol]

Defense is just better mobility by a small margin as I've heard

[kind scarab]

Turns out I had one already

I spent 300k dockets for nothing

Oh well, they're not in short supply

[dusty sluice]

shobelb

braced autos are so silly

anything in the skill tree that helps them in particular? i assume suppression immunity right?

[faint beacon]

Brautos you kinda don’t really use on Vet tbh

[surreal gust]

Weapon’s specialist is hilarious on them though

[faint beacon]

When the IAGs and Recons exist

[dusty sluice]

awwww

[surreal gust]

Braced are better on zealot, no?

[dusty sluice]

yeh

[tame lodge]

No need for suppression immunity when you can just suppress back

[dusty sluice]

trye

[tame lodge]

Brautos are known for high suppression

[surreal gust]

I never thought suppression immunity was that good anyways

[tame lodge]

You don't even need Keep Their Heads Down

[faint beacon]

Situational

Only good on weapons that actively suffer from being suppressed

ILAGs

[kind scarab]

Which gay shovel do you suggest I use? M3 or M7?

[faint beacon]

M7…

[surreal gust]

7

[faint beacon]

Good…

[dusty sluice]

gay shovel

[kind scarab]

(It's late, I read it wrong)

[faint beacon]

They started calling the foldables “Gay shovels”

I always use Mk1

[terse idol]

Fine by me

[faint beacon]

But 3/7 I swap between

[faint beacon]

🪞

[terse idol]

I'm mk1 pilled but carapace started giving me trouble

[kind scarab]

I love my MK1, even if it ain't perfectly rolled

This nerd is ironically my highest point melee weapon

so it's at the top of the list

[surreal gust]

Sometimes I forget it has uncanny

[kind scarab]

Uncanny my beloved

Bonk bonk bonk

[faint beacon]

Uncanny Deci

Holy based

Deci my beloved

[kind scarab]

As any true shovel enthusiast would do

Time to throw myself into a maelstrom with new shovel

May the emperor forgive me for what I'mma put those rando's through

[dusty sluice]

alr, theres a skill thats needed for bpistol breakpoints thou right?

[kind scarab]

Alright, that maelstrom lagged the hell out and rubberbanded me

Pretty sure it's that blight effect

[analog mural]

You mean nurgle blessed? Blight is havoc only right?

[kind scarab]

Yeah, Nurgles blessing

It seems to be only that modifier so far that makes me start rubberbanding on USE servers

[analog mural]

Hm can't say I've had issues with nurgle blessed enemies lagging me out

[faint beacon]

Burgle condition nuking your connection to the server

EU problems 🚬

[rose reef]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/F8XTJPPSRUw?feature=share

[kind scarab]

Either that or my isp is throttling my USE connection at night

Which is the likely case

[faint beacon]

Obliterated

[tame lodge]

And that's why bodyguard is the best

(they are all the best)

[rose reef]

i love ogryns

[arctic rampart]

Hmm uncanny 4 sure.. deci vs skullcrusher?

[faint beacon]

I love deleting hordes once I rack it up enough

gambling 🚬

[arctic rampart]

Deci grreat for hordes, so I'd probably do the same. Skullcrusher for more elites. Guess it depends on what your ranged weapon & talents are.

[void dragon]

Sooooo, somewhat of a loaded question: Do you Veteran folks think that the class should have some grenade themes build on the core of the class for each veteran style? Think making leader branch drop resources depending if it the nade kills something and the more HP it dealt the better the item, or getting buffs when on a smoke cloud or even the blast of other nades for the infiltration side.

Feel that the concept of grenades is quite important for the veteran to an almost core point. Maybe it is because everyone pick nade regeneration perks and they become SO good that veterans feel like it's all about it (it feels so good!) So wanted to ask

[thorn lark]

I feel like grenades are like a fourth keystone

Or maybe something like soulblaze on Psyker. A thematic feel.

[arctic rampart]

one of the grenade generations is pretty much only worth it at damn-hi-int or high, especially auric maelstrom or havoc. which is like 10% of the user base. smoke grenades are crap, stealth is a loss on win% even if it might be fun.

like if you take demo team in malice its gonna generate you notably less than demo stockpile.. but stockpile is always worth taking and what else are you going to take into voice of command

exec stance and then demo team in higher difficulties is common enough since demo team can generate you 50+ nades alone

[void dragon]

Yeah, but the concept of using nades feels quite important for the class, and it having regen on it makes me think that maybe the class could have some build in tools to make them more disruption or team oriented if the class could build upon them.

[arctic rampart]

I'd just like it if the talent tree wasn't all over the place so you can't even take a keystone in some specs. vets are screwed in where shit is in the talent tree

[void dragon]

Maybe we should have the veteran embrace grenades as part of it's gameplay? Or that's not something you look at with good eyes?

[arctic rampart]

vets embrace grenades. zealots are usualyl throwing knives (cant blame em) and ogryn are usually not frag bombs. who else is gonna take nades 😉 ... even if you just take shredders with demo team you're doing just fine in grenades

like if you wannna really really embrace it and take both talents, the explosion aoe and onslaught and blah blah sure go for it

[unreal nova]

What do you mean, I don't embrace 'nade spam?

[void dragon]

No no, I mean REALLY terraformin how the talent tree take them, like "having one side be regen as currently is, other could make on tossing make other blitzes work better" kind of really implementing on the gameplay of the class

[arctic rampart]

IMO demo team is so strong with shredders I don't want to make any noise and just hope the devs leave it alone

https://media.tenor.com/AA7MO5darloAAAAM/whistle-homer.gif nothing to see here

[void dragon]

It's an hypothetical question to see how ppl think if nades should become something DEEPLY core to the class, maybe even make them regen over time naturally

[arctic rampart]

freudian slip, he's a hypocrite!

this man's no vet, he must be a zealot!

[void dragon]

I blame autocorrect, as usual

Me ogryn

Me make honest question because tossing nades is fun

And shouties toss many

[unreal nova]

Some (VoC) shouties also make you toss more (Field Improv).

[void dragon]

Yeah, but what if...ALL OF THE PERK TREE could make you toss more/cooler nades?

That's kinda where I would direct my question tbh

Make enemies affected by nade be under some kind of auspex scan or some other crazy stuff

[arctic rampart]

I'd rather just have more weapons or damages

meltagun plz

ogryn should get powered fists

[void dragon]

Ok that's a low blow, you are changing my subject with my one weakness

Not fair

...

But yes

[arctic rampart]

It's not a low blow ogryn just need buffs until they aren't endangered

Imagine ogrynw tih knife/ds4 mobility using left right left right combos

[void dragon]

It's low because you know that as an ogryn the potential to Bslap heritics out of existence will remove my brain out of whatever non-power-fist question I was asking

[void dragon]

Speaking of, grenade usages currently doesn't clash with using the many cool weapons vets get, it's only that is all just damage, if it has something that interact in more utility ways maybe other blitzes could see more use than the frag nades (maybe a nade that reduces the damage deal with it but make your melta gun do more damage?)

[vernal trench]

Hi friends

Bru

[arctic rampart]

I'm sorry I tried to read that 3 times and I can't . I appreciate that you are trying to buff vets. Sure more nades and talents around them would be cool.

[void dragon]

(sorry, not my original language so I'm probably screwing the way of transmit the idea) In a way more than buffs I would want other grenades to have more of an identity that is apparent enough for all players to use, and the approach I was giving it is that there were ways to make each blitz more engaging than the normal bleeding frags everyone seems to use.

[unreal nova]

He wants frags to do less/reduced damage by itself and open things up to more damage by your gun... Which I personally don't like.

[hollow ibex]

Nerf frags

Sounds like heresy to me

[arctic rampart]

Vet needs talent tree rework and some new guns sometime this century

[dreamy spade]

Hello vet chat, and i correct in saying lethal prox works at all times?

[tame lodge]

That seems like the consensus

Same as hotshot

[void dragon]

So we are in a time where you folks are fine with the current state of the grenades and veteran? No need for any alterations to make nades any more or less than what they are

[unreal nova]

Yep. You just need to have it.

[hollow ibex]

Buff smokes

Otherwise I think they're actually in a good spot

Vet tree has other issues though

[dreamy spade]

Smokes should do what pox gas does

But for us

[unreal nova]

It's just blessed incense now. Blame the Zealots for it.

[tall torrent]

shredder frag nerf to 5 bleed stacks per explosion
twinned blast buff to 30% chance

rest seem ok?

veteran tree has more underlying foundational problems with layout

less so the talents themselves

[faint beacon]

Vet's issues are literally just the handful and I literally mean it can be counted on one or two hands worth of Talents that need buffs or reworks

[void dragon]

Thanks for your PoV mate

[faint beacon]

and a simple talent tree reshuffle/rework for pathing

[tall torrent]

restructure talent tree

no joke

[faint beacon]

Thats all thats really killing Vet

is literally just point-tax

outside of that its just either Buff Exec and Infil to have less tax nodes, and nerf Golden toughness VOC

also rework Tac Awareness

more in the nerfing sense

[vernal trench]

Remove golden toughness

[uncut pebble]

Real shit, that sounds like an awesome aux node.

Blessed Incense
Targets within the smoke receive a 15% brittleness debuff.

Or something like that.

@tall torrent @faint beacon if yall were to give vet nades aux nodes what would you do with them?

[tall torrent]

move twinned blast to shredder frag exclusive
move grenadier to krak exclusive
smoke generates a bigger cloud, force staggers all enemies on detonation and reduces all enemies' stagger reduction while they're inside smoke

[faint beacon]

I'll have to think on that seeing some of them I personally feel like uh

dont really need aux

[hollow ibex]

Have one that turns frags into an ogryn nuke, but with friendly fire

[faint beacon]

Honestly I was thinking

[uncut pebble]

Grenadier is the grenade regen or is that the +1 grenade node?

[faint beacon]

for smokes the whole buffs in general should just be a base thing

[tall torrent]

+1 nade capacity

[faint beacon]

but I was thinking there should be an Aux that does Low DOT to enemies within the smoke cloud kinda like Gas

and I mean low so its not ground breaking

[unreal nova]

I was thinking it damages all heretics over time in the AoE (No impact damage) and increases their damage taken to a degree. Latter could be Aux if you think it's too strong. Still clouds vision as usual. I mean, have you been to a temple on BIG prayer days? You can barely see things due to the smoke and your eyes watering and in pain.

[faint beacon]

if you want me to come up with unique Aux's for each one outside of smoke give me a bit @uncut pebble

[hollow ibex]

Smoke givesn toughness regen. Turn it into literally bubble but better

[faint beacon]

ehh

[faint beacon]

^ i'd prefer offensive/pushing being encouraged with them

[tall torrent]

gale

[faint beacon]

Psyker dome as baby mode as it is should be encouraged to be as the defensive position type of ability

[tall torrent]

let's play dk2

[faint beacon]

I will eventually damnit

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/shrimple-pun-puns-sea-puns-shark-my-words-gif-27141528

@uncut pebble
Shredders: Impact Nade aux that makes them explode on surfaces you toss them onto, deal slight bonus damage to direct hits on enemies

Kraks: Something along the lines of any enemies surrounding the target nailed by a Krak will get hit with a Debuff, could be bleed, could be something entirely new, or even fucking brittleness idk

Smokes: Listed above

thats spitballing ideas on brand new Aux's

could very well be made to be way more balanced or better

[hollow ibex]

Impact nades should just be a smoke default

[tall torrent]

why cook new talents for veteran when he has some of the most talents in a tree

[faint beacon]

well Im saying those outside of the ones we already have if thats what he wants

cause personally what you said I'd prefer

cause it would cut down on Point tax massively

[dreamy spade]

Does thrust max out at 20% strength?

[tall torrent]

no, 60%Mstr

[normal sparrow]

20% x3 stage

Or stack
Whatever you want to call the charging time

[dreamy spade]

I always thought it was 20

DS is even more broken than I thought lol

[uncut pebble]

Interesting.

Impact grenades sound fun.

If they didnt open a bulwark up on impact I'd have to kill you though.

[hollow ibex]

I'd allow you to kill Gale if that is the case

[unreal nova]

This is probably why GF runs Uncanny Thrust. Also Saltz main so...

[queen roost]

Any other kriegsmen Veteran mains here?

[jaunty sphinx]

No but that's a really good icon

[wheat cobalt]

Yo guys, anybody got a good build for the helborn lasgun? or is trash?

[unreal nova]

I have seen ppl use/carry with it in H40, so... I don't use it though.

Best way to put it, it's a better Inf lasgun if you want to use that.

[wheat cobalt]

hmmm sounds about right, tyvm

[unreal nova]

The main trade off is the slower swap times from memory, so better used if you have someone watching your back while you pick off things.

[crude fiber]

just saw a level 5000 vet

im scared

[unreal nova]

They are either GOOD or they abused an exploit ages ago.

[crude fiber]

oh was there an exp exploit? thats silly seeing as theres only 30 levels. they were doing pretty well but they were using the plasma gun

[unreal nova]

Most legit good players are in the 1k range so...

Yeah, you kept committing sudoku and using all stims and medicae then win.

Each down/death added the curio exp boost on top.

So you can rack up an insane multiplier.

[crude fiber]

weird

[unreal nova]

It was fixed.

But some ppl did exploit it.

[crude fiber]

5000 does seem a bit much tbh so ill just assume they did that lol

[unreal nova]

So anyone above 2k atm might just be subpar or actual ass.

Unless they nolife 1 class only, I guess.

[grand perch]

phew im safe then

[kind scarab]

That's one well seasoned lizard

[proper jacinth]

Anyone got a nice lovely build for a maelstrom mission?

[unreal nova]

Well, is more of a slight thing about some people, you know. it's not too serious, just sus them.

[mellow horizon]

any tips on getting the penance "make every shot count," its really hard for me

[inland orchid]

Shotguns do wonders since only one pellet needs to land for it to count

[crude fiber]

Shotgun, or revolver, shoot hoards to use ammo quickly. Don't use survivalist

[inland orchid]

Also try not to go for a target you assume your team is gonna kill/shoot, could save you from missing a shot

[stuck tree]

who got a vet build for auric maelstrom im still new to it

[narrow frost]

generic talent tree

2 points extra

[stuck tree]

is that like the goat

[inland orchid]

Mmmm krak

[narrow frost]

but vet tree flexes to fit the weapons you use

[stuck tree]

so for recon las

or

[stuck tree]

which weapon is this for

[narrow frost]

for laz weapons

[stuck tree]

eurhhh

oke ty

how bout plasma

[narrow frost]

in mission now

will get back to you later

[stuck tree]

🫡

[narrow frost]

to get weapon and talent information easily look at the 2nd most recent pinned message to find Path's vet guide

[stuck tree]

arigato

[faint beacon]

Veteran with a solid 2 points to spare at most 💔

[kind scarab]

Vets don't need points, we got guns instead

[unreal nova]

We just get point taxed to heck.

We aren't even rich in points, damnit.

[kind scarab]

You'd think vets being veterans and not plain ole recruits

Would be much better trained, so less point taxing, or maybe like a few more points as a class passive

But nah

[latent parcel]

Karien to busy karrying to be point taxd

[stuck tree]

stealing

[kind scarab]

More like robbing me of my plasteel I haven't picked up yet

[unreal nova]

.-. WDYM?

[kind scarab]

[latent parcel]

Karien is robbing again?

[unreal nova]

I'm just looting things nobody picks up, WDYM?

[kind scarab]

Always loot gremlining

[latent parcel]

typical gremlin behavior from karien

[kind scarab]

Always taking the plasteel

[latent parcel]

[unreal nova]

Look, you might not need them, but I still do... If only I can loot dockets as well.

[latent parcel]

what is happening to all ur h40 mats

[kind scarab]

They used them

[unreal nova]

Hadron bricking new weapons as usual.

Also why my dockets died.

[kind scarab]

I still gotta do havoc so I can get my havoc resources

[latent parcel]

Karien karrys havoc

[stuck tree]

havoc to get that armor set

[latent parcel]

ask her!

[unreal nova]

I don't.

[stuck tree]

but i shall be a patient child and play

[unreal nova]

Ask Papa instead.

[kind scarab]

But I'm stubborn and waiting to get maelstrom done with randoms first before i try doing havoc

[kind scarab]

No booze for you then

[unreal nova]

I exist to scare Chonky away.

[stuck tree]

NO

[latent parcel]

lol

@vernal trench is to busy being a noob to get scared away

[kind scarab]

Too late, you admitted to being a child, I'm giving your booze to Karien instead

[unreal nova]

He already ran from my book, WDYM?

[kind scarab]

This way their aim is funnier

[stuck tree]

😿

[latent parcel]

what kinda book were u using

[stuck tree]

still drinking

(im20)

[kind scarab]

Damn you a lil bab

[stuck tree]

2004

[unreal nova]

I can't drink unless you want me to go bed. It's like coffee. Kinda. Just. Caffeine makes me eepy. Alcohol just goes from sober to ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

[normal sparrow]

Dad?

[kind scarab]

Oh you're adhd too then