veteran-class

[unreal nova]

Oh, I'm lazy with naming. Lmao. I just have differing personalities for them.

Also gremlin vet rizzing fem Judge, maybe.

Flees.

[viscid sparrow]

gremlin = loose cannon, I assume?

[unreal nova]

Fem LC, yes.

It's more an injoke. My GF mains Fem Judge Zel.

[viscid sparrow]

I play male LC, and because I like the more aggressive-sounding shout ult lines, but also the fact that male LC is more ex-criminal than gremlin compared to fem LC, and I like that...

[unreal nova]

Look, gremlins are fun.

[viscid sparrow]

I understand that. I just like the ex-criminal part of LC more than the gremlin part of LC.

something about the dialogues between male LC and someone like fem savant psyker or bodyguard ogryn are just extra funny to me.

[unreal nova]

But yeah, went loose cannon cos cutthroat is just boring edge and the professional is like professional bootlicker.

[viscid sparrow]

although, I do see the appeal of fem LC purely for the fact she can insult male Professional by calling him a "commissar's pet"

[unreal nova]

Bonus, she stole said Commissar's hat.

And then talk him down. Headcanons are going wild.

[dry cloak]

My vet is a angry catachan women that ended up on atoma because warp fuckery

[supple stag]

Male LC is so fun, after hours of hearing professional over and over LC feels so natural

[wild vortex]

Wait, you can Bull Rush while carrying!?

[tame lodge]

Unfortunately no

You bull rush then cancel so you get the move speed

[wild vortex]

Interesting

[viscid sparrow]

btw, which blessing to use with Bromentum on Rashad Caxe? I myself use Decimator, but am starting to think Thrust or Headtaker would be better...

[radiant chasm]

Headtaker

Deci can be dropped and has too many stacks to scale up

[broken saddle]

guys any tips or videos how to use plasma gun?

[tame lodge]

Never charge

[spark helm]

What are you currently struggling with

If you happen to use them already.

[viscid sparrow]

btw, if I were to try using a Brauto, what perks/blessings and mk should I use?

[hollow ibex]

graia's the best

flakiack and deathspitter + fire frenzy

not like you have many options here lol

[viscid sparrow]

I always thought it was agri (the one with Stopping Power stat and brown body)

[hollow ibex]

yeah that one's aight too

noticeably less ammo efficient though

less dps

and cleave honestly doesn't help that much for the stuff you'll be shooting at usually (you still want to use your melee for basic hordes)

[tall torrent]

~same dps as braced-fire graia IV

[hollow ibex]

huh feels lower

either way, i think graia's better

[dry cloak]

Depends on what you prefer really

I prefer graia

[hollow ibex]

The ammo efficiency is a big one for me

[grand perch]

every vet main has a progression

[dry cloak]

Im more ammo efficient with graia

[grand perch]

they start as professional. trust in their team is given, and thinking the rest of the team will play by certain codes, like sharing ammo equally

then they progress to loose cannon. they've had their share of disappointments and close calls. they trust themselves more than the average teammate

finally, cutthroat

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I mean it's the most ammo efficient brauto

[surreal gust]

I might switch back to cutthroat honestly

[dry cloak]

Wrong aleays playing loose cannon here

[grand perch]

you just hate everyone. everyone disappointed you. only one you can trust is yourself.

im not literally saying which voice you chose

im saying thats how a lot of people progress in their playstyle

[dry cloak]

Then im still proffesional

With a dribble of cutthroat

Because profesionals have standards
Be polite
Be efficient
Have a plan to kill everyone you meet

[surreal gust]

Also I like that professional is the most normal of the 3

[minor stump]

grenades count as their own damage type, I assume? Like, "for the emperor"s ranged + melee won't do anything. Assuming that's correct, what about "close damage" - does that apply to grenades, assuming one is within the radius?

[tall torrent]

Melee & ranged damage boost doesn’t apply to explosion damage

Close damage (Ndmg) applies to all damage instances currently active. As long as the checks pass through

CQKZ can affect explosion damage

[minor stump]

Flawlessly answered lol. Cheers!

[supple stag]

My journey was Professional -> Cutthroat -> Loose Cannon

[surreal gust]

I’m professional, cutthroat, back to professional, back to cutthroat

[hushed sparrow]

That explains the background paragraph lol

[hushed sparrow]

Also, cutthroat slander
(WEAK)

Headcannon tho?

[sinful swallow]

The suppression perk works great in havoc

Ranged stunlock

[faint beacon]

Me who’s been Loose cannon since the day I made mine

Now at True Rank 1022

My Ironman vet though is a Cadian

[hollow ibex]

He's still alive? Pretty good lol

[faint beacon]

No he died

This is Vet-II

I’m going to keep going up in numerals till we win

[hollow ibex]

Average guardsman lifespan

[faint beacon]

Trust rank 6

He got mauled to death by a hound cause players on Malice

Do not know how to deal with Hunting Grounds

[viscid sparrow]

ok, so after some testing in actual matches, I feel like agri brauto is more my thing than graia. With graia, I feel like having some damage bonus against suppressed enemies would be a good thing, seeing as I struggle to kill any shooters with graia brauto before they run away...

[faint beacon]

Iron Will unironically carries Veteran in being able to live for more than two seconds

You get hit like once

50% HP bye bye

[hollow ibex]

Graia should shred shooters. Are you bracing?

You need to brace

And running ES is highly recommended

[viscid sparrow]

ahhh... I use stealth, because I felt like ES zoom is too much and also because stealth is a lot more ocmfy for me...

[hollow ibex]

Oh if you're doing stealth won't recommend graia yeah

Unless you're planning to just bullet vomit in cqc

ES helps a lot with graias ranged issues

[grand perch]

you could even call graia brauto reasonably accurate with ES

[vivid badge]

I'm out of the loop
Any news on new veteran stuff?

[mellow cobalt]

Still no sign of any new vet weapons :(

whatevs at least we're getting news

I want hellgun...

[vivid badge]

I'd quite enjoy a melta

Or a long las but I have no idea howd that would function

[terse idol]

Vets starving though

[native kelp]

Seeing the Ogryn rework and a few balance changes gives me hope, PLEASE BUFF THE COMBAT SHOTGUN, I BEG YOU

[tropic notch]

I wish vet had better toughness gain

Like orgyns is just heavy, zealot is just dodge, and psyker you get toughness by breathing

[tall torrent]

It’s fine

[tropic notch]

I sometimes find myself struggling with hordes of cursher, maulers, and ragers

[terse idol]

Yeahhh

I'm just thirsting for new weapons

[tropic notch]

And sometimes trash shooters that whittle my toughness

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/three-amigos-drinking-water-gif-14830020

[terse idol]

VoC
Negate damage via ghost

Back 4 blood

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent I did 1.1 mil on my mercy killer vet the other day

[terse idol]

Marksmens focus tree with gain toughness on weakspot kill

[faint beacon]

6 months no new Vet toys

Ogryn full tree rework is pretty peak

[tropic notch]

Well yeah those are really good I’m just saying compared to the others

[faint beacon]

90% of the tree is being changed, coming from Hank

[tropic notch]

Out for blood and confirmed kill are ridiculous

[orchid hemlock]

Ogryn is perfect

[orchid hemlock]

The 9070 reviews are in

[tropic notch]

I saw the 9079 xt is comparable to a 4080 super

[orchid hemlock]

Yes

Very pog

[tropic notch]

And that’s what I have lol

[orchid hemlock]

Now let's see if I can grab one tomorrow morning 😔

[hexed wave]

does everyone think we'll get the toys fatshark promised us with this update?

[tame lodge]

No

Next question

[tropic notch]

Me wants passive toughness not active toughness

If that makes since

[vernal trench]

Me too

[hexed wave]

https://tenor.com/view/but-why-homelander-the-boys-i-don't-get-it-huh-gif-13670748107262456691

[tall torrent]

Nice

[mellow cobalt]

lasgun but long

i feel like non vets way underestimate gunners of both the dreg and scab persuasion

when left unmolested they can absolutely turn a thriving team to mush

[broken saddle]

guys is plasma gun really the best one for veteran

[terse idol]

No

[uncut pebble]

Boltgun is unironically better but plasma is easier to use.

[broken saddle]

how plasma easier to use, i use boltgun much easier than to manage plasma charge

[tall torrent]

don't charge fire plasma

hipfire only

[tame lodge]

You don't even need to charge plasma yeah

Heat is annoying but not annoying enough

But then again no one seemed to play old plasma gun

[broken saddle]

so you dont charge it at all

maybe only for metal armored elites:?

[inland orchid]

Charged shot has potential to blow urself up like a tweaking psyker

Plus extra ammo on shot compared to regular uncharged fire

On the already low ammo count gun

[broken saddle]

okay so mage what is ur weapon to go on higher difficulties

[inland orchid]

Plasma

[uncut pebble]

The only time you might ever charge a shot on plasma is to drop a reaper in 1 shot.

[inland orchid]

I just don’t use charged shot lol

[tame lodge]

Crushers? The alternative is saving ammo and using your melee

[tall torrent]

No

No charging period

Hip fire at ranged elites and specialists

Melee everything else

[tame lodge]

Zarona revolver play style if it locked in and had tons of cleave

[surreal gust]

Is the dump stat for the zarona mobility or did I buy a shit one on accident

[tame lodge]

It's mobility yeah

Everything else affects some aspect of your damage iirc

[surreal gust]

Okay cool, perfect zarona from the armory then

[viscid sparrow]

btw, just had a non-auric mael game with a under lvl 30 fellow vet, a smite gunker and a zealot.

I had to tell them to leave some ammo for me, and the other vet constantly kept shooting at hordes with his non-infernus reconlas.

at one point all three of the other players were out of ammo during a BoN fight, and I was likely the one who carried them to the end of the map...

[balmy flume]

Well on the bright side you are now skilled enough to carry 3 bad players.

[flint needle]

hi kind of random so sorry for butting in here but is shock maul (agni) any good on vet? i have not a clue which weapon will pick up the slack from my vraks in crowd control

[tame lodge]

I think Muni is the preferred version

Something about looping overhead heavies

I don't remember

[flint needle]

ahhhhh okay then well thank you for the info!

[tame lodge]

Skullcrusher is mandatory

[grand perch]

theyre not bad but theyre kinda nothing to write home about

[tame lodge]

And bring a ranged weapon that can deal with monstrosities

They really struggle against monster

[flint needle]

alright sweet TY again yall

[surreal gust]

How would I go about building a shovel, any variant is fine

[shadow dagger]

I'm starting to feel a little tired of the 'hnng why vermintide get more attention than darktide' folks on reddit

I open a preview post of the next update and I see three people whining before I make it one scroll wheels worth of text down

[surreal gust]

Yeah, that sounds about right though doesn’t it

[tame lodge]

Standard shovel or 7
Uncanny Strike+ Decimator/Skullcrusher

[surreal gust]

What’s the dump stat

And should I just go for like carapace and unyielding?

[tame lodge]

Most likely defences

And sorry can't remember the perks

[surreal gust]

Okay, that’s what I thought

Yeah I’ll just go for like unyielding and uhhhhh, something else

[tame lodge]

Well Flak is always good or something along those lines

[surreal gust]

I was thinking flak

I mean I have uncanny so I could do weakspot damage

[tame lodge]

Oh weakspot is not good due to Fatshark math

[surreal gust]

Nvm then

[tame lodge]

Yeah just get 25% against Unyielding/Carapace/Maniac

Unarmored would be too niche

[surreal gust]

So unyielding, flak, uncanny, decimator, 60 defences

[tame lodge]

I'd say that's usable

Yeah

[surreal gust]

Off to ogryn chat to ask a similar question

[shadow dagger]

I think the vet guide in the pins can help with perks n blessings

[deep bone]

Hopefully the new update drops some new guns for Vet

[balmy flume]

Meltagun.
Power fist.
Make it happen!

[surreal gust]

I heavily doubt it

Maybe the power axe but even then fatshark said nothing about new weapons

[shadow dagger]

I think they said they planned to add one in the update following unlocked n loaded

they didn't explicitly mention it here but ideally it's gonna happen

[faint beacon]

No weapons

[deep bone]

Cringe

[faint beacon]

It’s balance changes and a game mode

Obviously rework

But I’d say expect weaponry around Summer

[deep bone]

Guess I will be using Kantreal for another patch

[faint beacon]

Veterans drying up into prunes by the time a single new weapon gets announced for them

[deep bone]

I’m actually tired of Plasma Gun

[surreal gust]

Just use a different gun

[deep bone]

I fucking despise using that

I do lol

[surreal gust]

Good

[deep bone]

But every time I run Havocs people join my lobby and yell at me to use Plasma

So I kick them lmao

[surreal gust]

That’s havoc players for ya

Me when I want to have fun

[deep bone]

I have completed multiple havoc 40s with the Kantreal MK.IIb

[surreal gust]

Yeah the MK2 is great

[deep bone]

Me when I want to be a Lore accurate Armageddon Steel Legionnaire

[surreal gust]

Me when I don’t use the same boring ass weapons every single game because they’re meta

[deep bone]

My main set up is either Braced Autogun or Infantry LasGun

[surreal gust]

I like the dueling sword and plasma, they’re alright, but no way in hell I’m running them every game

[deep bone]

With Combat Knife or Power Sword

[deep bone]

IMO they are both extremely boring

[surreal gust]

I like every weapon, but yeah

[pseudo fiber]

Good old bolt pistol nothing beats that

[deep bone]

Plus the Plasma feels awful on Controller

My whole thing is that I am playing as a Guardsman so I wanna use the Guardsman weapons

[uncut pebble]

Shovel and ilas, as the God-Emperor intended.

[grand perch]

no one ever told me to use plasma in h40. or to use anything really

[vernal trench]

Metaman did

He told me that shout and plasma gun is the STANDARD for havocs!

@latent parcel aint that right stumpy?

[inner temple]

I shall not use such! I ban that now from havoc 40

Atleast for me

[vernal trench]

Its what metaman wants us to use

[sharp epoch]

Why did every other class get weapons except vet 😭

[tall torrent]

power axe could be June if we're lucky

[sharp epoch]

I feel like vet is kinda near the bottom in terms of its role

best ranged dps is ogryn/psyker, best melee dps is zealot ofc, support all the classes are decent at support in different ways

[tall torrent]

best ranged dps is psyker

ogryn's ranged dps has a bunch of context attached

[bleak cradle]

Ogryn best ranged dps *if there are no other players that need ammo

[sharp epoch]

I think the only thing veteran excels at is single target long range kills, but zealot can fill that role easily with a simple ranged weapon swap

[sharp epoch]

Their ammo efficiency is pretty good all things considered, I've had an ogryn basically not use his melee the whole time

[hollow ibex]

Prob by hoovering up all the ammo on the map

That's how I see every ranged focused ogryn plays

[cedar reef]

killshot ready is taking me a million yeras and i hate the skill lol, any easy way to get a ton of kills with it easy?

[inner temple]

I usually use lucky bullet with the shotgun styled grenade launcher. (Forget the name) Otherwise I stay melee really.

[hollow ibex]

Recon las and spray

[cedar reef]

thats the best i found myself 😦 was hoping for amiracle cause i reallllly hate this skill lol

[tall torrent]

is that the 2.5k marksman focus kills

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

mercantile

[cedar reef]

ya

[tall torrent]

camp kitchen

for 20 mins

crab walk with rashad

bring a friend so he can snipe specials while u spawn camp

[cedar reef]

sounds like a plan 😄 i got someone getting on tonight thats what ill do thx

[tall torrent]

breach first wall, drop down to 2nd wall but don't breach

[tall torrent]

camp in the nearby kitchen door

[charred mist]

what weapon is best for doing the make every shot count penance?

[tall torrent]

double barrel shotgun

[charred mist]

thanks

how much ammo does it have?

also if my teammate has that perk that gives ammo to you, do i need to expend that as well?

[tall torrent]

2+60

[charred mist]

oooh not much at all that’s good

[inner temple]

I love it so much

[tall torrent]

not exactly, it's a bit complicated

try to play with teammates that don't use that aura

it's a bit hard to keep track midgame

[charred mist]

i think i use it lol idk which skill it is

[tall torrent]

just use middle aura

[charred mist]

oh yeah i use it lol

[charred mist]

is it just if i don’t switch to the primary it doesn’t count as having ammo still? or something

[tall torrent]

just do urself a favor and use middle aura lol

[inner temple]

So basically with the aura I keep ammo full the entire time with revolver on Zealot. If you rarely use it likely you'll stay full. If used moderately it can be half way drained and regen slowly. Grab tins in short if you can. Used heavily? That perk does nothing basically

[tall torrent]

u can do it by depleting ammo and never switching to ranged again

but if u kill specialist or elite and get ammo then it's hard to tell which shots count and which don't

[charred mist]

ahhh right

i see

well i will get to 0 then not switch

but i will probably change my aura for it

[inner temple]

Its not terrible tbh

Just there's better grabs if you wish to spare it

[gleaming adder]

No new weapon for vets. It might be over...

[austere mica]

Oh no!

Anyway

[radiant chasm]

confirmed for this patch yet*

[broken saddle]

asault chaianxe good?

or assault chainsword

[radiant chasm]

mk12 is good enough on vet, i wouldn't run the mk4 without melee talents (chainaxes)

assault chsword is a horde mulcher so if that's all you need from a weapon, it's great

mk13g is also exceedingly simple

[faint beacon]

The chain weaponry on Veteran is acceptable

I would classify it as

It’s just you have to build into a melee build and make your gun heavy focused on either anti carapace or anti special/elite

Mk13g is pretty fucking crazy with a Crit build on Vet cause of its Finesse values

Mulches through hordes as long as nothing carapace shows up

That’s when you instantly notice it’s downside

[iron atlas]

i hv question for smoke grenade, it is to block vision of enemy inside it, or can also block vision between me and them (assumed i throw smoke in between)

[faint beacon]

Both actually

[broken saddle]

mk13g is a chainsword?

[tropic notch]

Speaking of chain weapons Whats the best mark of chain sword?

[faint beacon]

So what you can do is use it to throw it on Gunners/Shooters to flush them out of on area

OR

on yourself/team to protect yourself from shooters

[tropic notch]

I’ve never really used them

[faint beacon]

Gunners will shoot at the area they last saw you so they’ll attempt spraying around the smoke

[tropic notch]

Well kinda but not in depth

[faint beacon]

For Veteran? Zealot?

[tropic notch]

Vet

[faint beacon]

Arguably 13g

[iron atlas]

so enemy ranged elites, ranged specialist, and maybe disabler can stop tracking me (assumed they locked on to me) and switch aggro to my teammates?

[faint beacon]

Both are similar

[faint beacon]

Anything with a gun

I can list things that are and aren’t effected by smokes

[tropic notch]

I really love the vanguard heavy on the other one how do you use the 13?

Yeah smokes are really good

[iron atlas]

how about mutant and pox hound? they of course mellee range but charge toward me

[tropic notch]

I’d say they’re the 2nd best nade vet has

[faint beacon]

Not effected: Bombers, Mutants, any melee unit

Effected: Any ranged, Trappers have to get close, Beast of Nurgle have to hug you in order to see and vomit on you, pox hounds cannot track anyone inside smokes and will circle the smoke till either the target leaves or smoke dissipates

Mutants will still Bullrush you in smoke

Bombers throw it directly in the smoke cause they’re predicting where you are

Any melee is explanatory

[tropic notch]

Put bombers in the nba

[faint beacon]

They just run at you

[tropic notch]

The throws they make are too good

[faint beacon]

Reapers aren’t mentioned cause they have the same mechanic as gunners

They’ll shoot around the smoke

Or retreat from it

[iron atlas]

much good insight for my collection, thank you

[faint beacon]

I got a few more things I can mention about smokes that make them fucking insane using

With a smoke build always take this talent imo

[iron atlas]

still teammates complaint to me bcs i use smoke and stealth skill combo, and just running toward obj. , shamed

[faint beacon]

They can cry about it when you're still alive and the gunner pack mowed down half the team LMAO

[faint beacon]

And if you can get this

[iron atlas]

so this is what feels like to not left behind? i always do when not using this combo wombo build

[faint beacon]

This makes your smoke literally last as long as a Psyker Dome Shield

which is 30 seconds

you basically have a grenade

that is a Psyker Dome Shield

AND AN ABILITY

[iron atlas]

i use bit nade thinker and stockpile out of spite, bcs longer smoke = profit

[faint beacon]

I highly encourage the combo cause it makes your smokes fucking disgustingly powerful

[iron atlas]

i used to left behind bcs team always rush to obj. , not anymore

except ogryn main, they always stick to me

assumed psyker and zealot are self sustain on their own

[faint beacon]

Zealots tend to run ahead cause they benefit from being in combat

Im not surprised Ogryns or Psykers will be near the vet

usually those 3 classes benefit the most staying in a group

however once you get better at Darktide you can very easily run off on your own

[tall torrent]

no

[iron atlas]

well, in my casez ogryn run witj zealot bcs they want the piece of action, well psyker too

not one is in coherency range

[tall torrent]

psyker dome is 25s (but can be as short as 6.66s)

[iron atlas]

at all

[tall torrent]

tinker smoke is full 30s regardless of anything

[faint beacon]

Correction BETTER DOME

There we go

[iron atlas]

im currently using combat knife and combat shotgun, any suggestion?

[iron atlas]

thank you sir veteran

[faint beacon]

Drop Shotgun its weak sadly

probably do Double Barrel instead if you're doing Weapon Specialist

[iron atlas]

but i like to roleplay as john "veteran" wick with combat shotty, like in JW3 the continental hotel shootout

knife to replace pencil, stabby stabby enemy

[tall torrent]

u would need executioner's stance to make combat shotguns' 1 tap kills consistent enough to be competitive

[shadow dagger]

ive hard crashed to desktop every time i leave refinery delta

weird

i just dont want to play with smykers who decide to smite the literal first batch of enemies

is that too much to ask

ive requeued into this same truelevel 1k+ smyker in join in progresses that dont make it past the second room maybe 5-6 times now

[uncut pebble]

If you block people then you won't ever be queued with them again.

[junior grail]

Shotguns need a small buff to be on par with other weapons I feel

Or at least to be as good as the Double Barrel Shotty

Perhaps make shotgun pellets apply the Vet's Onslaught talent brittleness better

[uncut pebble]

If onslaught worked for each individual pellet then combat shotguns would fuck so unbelievably hard on vet.

[quartz nymph]

What's the vet build for havoc? Is it WS, FT, or no keystones?

Wanna play some more vet in havoc

[junior grail]

I wonder how everyone would react if they reverted making Duelling Swords available to Vet and Zealot

[quartz nymph]

Don't want dueling sword tho. Its stinky

[junior grail]

I heard claims for the Grenadier build

[junior grail]

I prefer my Shovel

[uncut pebble]

Best build paths shredders, survivalist, voc, ft, with a focus on grenade spam and infernus recon lasgun.

Melee is... a thing that exists.

DS is kinda the best thing to use because it doesn't really need any talents that you won't be taking.

But you don't have to take it.

[quartz nymph]

Based. I'll bring my shovel or rashad

[uncut pebble]

Could do shovel very easily.

I would not suggest rashad.

You have to curse the damn thing to make it work on moebians.

[quartz nymph]

Because no trench fighter?

[uncut pebble]

No, you can't get it to oneshot moebians.

[junior grail]

Antax?

[uncut pebble]

You would have to run unarmored and fucking groaner damage lmao.

[quartz nymph]

Okay so shovel. What marks do we like?

[uncut pebble]

Mk1.

[quartz nymph]

Hell ya

[uncut pebble]

Flip shovels have less horde clear capability and you don't really need to ever flip your shovel anyway.

[junior grail]

Who even needs flip

[uncut pebble]

If armor comes towards you, you say "hey zealout/psyker, kill that."

[quartz nymph]

Shovel, ft, infernal las. We are in business

[uncut pebble]

The main job of vet in havocs is specialist sniping and murdering gunners.

[junior grail]

Also poking a Crusher Overhead is funny

[uncut pebble]

Grenades exist to assist in removing packs of melee elites approaching your team or to assist in getting a clutch revive off.

[quartz nymph]

Now I just need a juicy recon las skin that isn't a red racecar

[uncut pebble]

And ofc voc is a thing.

Do you need a talent setup or are you confident in your choices?

[quartz nymph]

I won't be rocking the bistol perk that ups my grenade range, will that be a problem? Or is density enough to not matter

[uncut pebble]

Iirc you can afford tinkerer with this setup so you don't need to worry.

[quartz nymph]

Im pretty confident on what nodes to pick, but I will never say no to seeing what others put together

[junior grail]

Are Inf Autoguns still good on Vet?

Heard they nerfed crit strings of Columnus/Vraks/TheFastGun

[uncut pebble]

This is what I would run for infernus recon.

Flak unarmored (shooter racism gun) infernus headhunter.

[uncut pebble]

Infantry autoguns are good on all 3 classes, just don't use columnus. (old columnus is now vraks, new columnus was graia)

[quartz nymph]

What would you run on shovel? My worst flaw is knowing perks+blessings

[uncut pebble]

Honestly? I don't know. I would say probably like, flak maniac uncanny skullcrusher, because that's what I run in aurics, but I'm not sure that works for havocs.

I dont know if unarmored would change any horde bps.

There is a case to be made of choosing your perks on your shovel with buffing the bleed from your shredders in mind.

[junior grail]

So use any of the slower firing Inf Autoguns?

[uncut pebble]

So like, flak elites would cover the most elites in the game.

[gilded wraith]

How does this look for havoc with a rashad and recon 6c?

[uncut pebble]

Agripinaa is my favorite of all of them (it's the slow one) because, at least in aurics, it's a onetap on shooters with the right talents and range.

[uncut pebble]

Not horrible, but change GBITF to catch a breath.

GBITF is a bad talent.

(the one right above survivalist)

I, frankly, wouldn't use rashad in havocs because of the whole moebian issue.

Can't oneshot them without unarmored + groaner damage, I've had Path test this.

[junior grail]

Likely not but how would one react to the classic Inf Lasgun in Havoc? Haha

[uncut pebble]

So you'd have to curse the fuck out of your rashad to make it work on moebians.

[uncut pebble]

Ilas actually has some nasty finesse if you can line up your shots right, running ghost and headhunter could work rather well.

You'd just run into the issue that all non infernus choices have, which is pus hardened.

[junior grail]

Ok now I'm interested, I assume the mid power inf lasgun is the better pick? I do like using the funny carpal tunnel blue one from time to time

[uncut pebble]

The green one is the best choice, generally, yeah.

But I'm not sure if the brown one has a usecase in havoc for its damage per shot being higher.

I would go fiddle with h40 breakpoints with it but I'm stretched out in my bed waiting on my meds to kick in and put me to sleep...

[junior grail]

Headpats the Frog

[uncut pebble]

Now, from my experience in auric with it, the green ilas comfortably hits 2shot breakpoints on almost everything that isn't a carapace head. Considering h40 is 1.5x hp, that probably makes it a 3 tap, or a 2 tap if you crit once.

The kicker here is ilas has reverse damage falloff, so you want to be as far from your target as humanly possible, while still having the aim to hit them in the head.

Now note, I said probably makes it a 3tap.

It may or may not.

And I have no idea if it'll even 1tap shooters on headshot in h40.

[junior grail]

Yea I see why it'd be easier to just spray with recon

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, because the recon itself isn't what kills your target, it's the fact that you light his ass on fire.

Fire does some stupid damage and infernus is 4 stacks per shot, with (iirc) a 3 crit string on the blue one.

Now, on this note of marksman weapons, vigilants are already in a bad spot with their horrendous maniac modifier (it's like 17 headshots to drop a dreg rager in auric damn), but they have good finesse modifiers and a great flak adm.

[junior grail]

Should be renamed as DoTtide with all the fire, bleed and soulblaze builds

[tall torrent]

not exactly

[uncut pebble]

I'm going to assume by this comment that there's a sweet spot for ilas and that each of them has an ideal range?

[tall torrent]

very few weapons actually stretch their dmg falloff over a vast distance

[hollow ibex]

just another reason to not play havoc

[uncut pebble]

All I really know about ilas, despite it being my most used vet gun that isn't db, is that shooting something with it at point blank does like no damage.

[tall torrent]

against: Unarmored, Infested, Maniac, Unyielding and Flak

infantry lasguns have
0-7m, minimum dmg
7-15m, inverse falloff
15m+, maximum dmg

which, let's be fr, 15m is not that far

[uncut pebble]

Interesting.

I have just always approached them with a "keep the target as far as possible" mindset.

I'll be dropping snipers from like 80m away because of that.

[tall torrent]

the only gun I remember with a vast stretch is boltgun

inverse falloff against Unarmored, Infested and Flak from 10~40m

that's 30m of inverse falloff

[uncut pebble]

So within 10m and beyond 40m it does max damage?

[tall torrent]

within 10m, least

[uncut pebble]

Scuse me within 10m it does minimum damage.

Yeah.

[tall torrent]

beyond 40m, most

[uncut pebble]

Brain scrampled egg rn.

[tall torrent]

usually when I specify breakpoints they're applicable in vast majority of situations

I'd say avg engagement with ranged weapon is somewhere between 5~25m

varies on a weapon to weapon basis obv

[keen current]

So green recon las is best yes

[errant carbon]

Blue one shoots faster => procs/stacks things faster

[hollow ibex]

idk colors but VI is the shit for most use cases

[errant carbon]

I don't know the new numbers for a lot of guns but AFAIK they kept the usual convention of blue = fast, brown = slow

[hollow ibex]

it's prob consistent

i just go by marks usually

[junior grail]

I wonder if anyone uses the brown recon, can't imagine it being used with Infernus

[tame lodge]

3 cleave

Turn it into bootleg flamer

[hollow ibex]

the one thing it's ok at is killing specialists through hordes

[unreal nova]

But you can just spray the blue at that point and everything dies to burn.

[hollow ibex]

well it still won't hit the trapper behind that bruiser

i mean i don't use xiv

i'd rather have the ammo efficiency of vic or the brrrt of xii

[winter sluice]

Vic is my fav for ammo

I run everything I can to make ammo efficient on the recon lasgun

[hollow ibex]

speedrunners really suck all the fun out of the game

and they're like "bro i did all the objectives"

you think i give a shit?

mfers acting as if i owe them money

[dry cloak]

ist darktide a co-op game?

where you need to cooperate?

[hollow ibex]

if you want to speedrun, play solo and suck your own cock while you're at it for all i care

don't ruin my game

[hollow ibex]

i think this guy missed the memo

i mean it's prob the only joy he can get from the game at this point

by ruining it for other people

[dry cloak]

i undesrtand cooperation in term 3 defend once scans on lets say archivum sycorax

[hollow ibex]

yeah that's how the game is intended to be played

and i don't mind people going on ahead

but it's one thing to go on ahead, it's another to be halfway across the map after triggering a boss, and leaving your team to fight it

[dry cloak]

you forget yourself

they run ahead fall over and leave

i dont play with mods so i cant see true level

but nowadays i see good players staying more often than not

[analog mural]

Simply block them and get over it. Toxic players exist in every game

[dry cloak]

i blocked 2 guys that looked the same

and somehow skipped airlocks on hab dreyko

just pahsed through closed doors

those 2 are blocked

[hollow ibex]

i'd make more liberal use of the block feature if there wasn't a fucking cap on it lmao

[gaunt anchor]

I have sen a video where someone had that karker in game

speed runners my mortal foes

[hollow ibex]

lol i guess that's literally the only way he plays the game now

sad, strange little man

[grand perch]

They've progressed to cutthroat

As per my prof - lc - cutthroat progression theory

[gaunt anchor]

I don't wanna be cutthroat

[vernal harbor]

my enemies wish id block them

[vernal harbor]

finally someone gets it

get this person a position of power

[slow sky]

I've been kicked for "speedrunning" by killing everything so fast then moving ahead to kill the next room of enemies
as a tac axe psyker
I requeued, loaded into the next game, got asked if I was a knife zealot
as a tac axe psyker, killing everything

I get the sentiment of disliking people who speedrun, running past every enemy in a public game

But some people can't distinguish that from someone who is just flat out fast and lethal

[bold wedge]

I could use someone like that for just a flesh wound penance

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-xing-xing-eagle-riding-funny-gif-6744989482623891459

[grand perch]

I'll admit to having gone full cutthroat on occasion.
I remember one where i was told to stfu since I was "getting carried". All I did was ask for some help carrying the battery to the draw bridge on enclavum baross.

So I had to leave them behind and run though to the end event alone. Kark em

[bold wedge]

Depends on if you get killed or not

[slow sky]

I'm currently not available to play but I have helped with that a lot lol
Rolling steel is currently the easiest mission cuz you can cheese the staying alive time as you sit there waiting for extract, and the actual part of the mission is under 10 min anyway

Twins also works in a similar way, skip to the end, kill rodin, cheese by dragging time out while it's just rinda

[grand perch]

Pre-nerf rolling steel practically demanded speedrunning

I think they changed it because a lot of people didn't get that

[vernal harbor]

to this day ive personally not seen a single speedrunner make it lol

the data is so one sided i cant even imagine theres many who make it work

[grand perch]

Stealth vet can time it juuust right so you have it back when needed for the objective

Moot point now, you can take your time in the current version. Which makes it more boring but significantly less gatekeepy-toxic

[vernal harbor]

i bow down to the voc meta but man thats crazy people NEED voc, like stealth does have its ups + play however you want but never as a pysker or zealot have i ever even thought about if someone has voc or not

[north pebble]

dumdum / infernus or infernus/ headhunter for recon las?

[vernal trench]

Shout BAD

[vernal harbor]

dumdum and infernus imo

[north pebble]

i'll try it

[balmy flume]

I need to try actual gun Vet with Exec stance again at some point…

[vernal harbor]

It’s so weird because it just doesn’t feel like it adds anything because if you’re already shooting heads with a precision weapon they’re dead anyways

[oblique totem]

I like exec stance because it highlights enemies, which is more useful to me than anything else.

[steep flower]

Both are good; try both

[uncut pebble]

I would say dumdum infernus for aurics (you need reciprocity, this is not a suggestion) and dumdum headhunter for havocs to make as much use of shock trooper as possible due to less ammo being available.

[vernal trench]

Headhunter and infernus for havocs

That burn is mainly how u do damage

[uncut pebble]

Oops I meant headhunter infernus.

I just woke up, in my defense. :P

[iron atlas]

in every weapon has a blessing like 7-8 type, is it activate only on the selected blessing (can be change in shrine) in the weapon or how?

in max lvl blessing i can get all of it

how about general weapon blessing and perk i can choose

[uncut pebble]

You can only run 2 blessings, the mastery is just what blessings you can currently switch between.

[pseudo fiber]

Blessings are only active if they're on the weapon
You can get all the blessings at max mastery
Change them freely at the shrine

[full abyss]

ye still need help?

[viscid sparrow]

btw, which blessings to use on shock maul for vet?

[signal breach]

bro why is this fast shooting gun so good

like

ratatatat

[pseudo fiber]

High voltage skull crusher

Lightning reflexes used to be cool now it isn't

[dry cloak]

I use falter skullcrusher

Works good

[radiant chasm]

There isn’t really a reason to use falter over hammerblow

[viscid sparrow]

btw, does Covering Fire affect myself if I shoot at an enemy within 5 meters?

[unreal nova]

Nope. or it would be a meme good thing.

[tame lodge]

It would actually mitigate ranged onlies

[viscid sparrow]

ah, shame. I was thinking of using it so I could just gain toughness more quickly in melee range with a ES Graia brauto build...

[unreal nova]

I mean, would make recon only memes work.

[hollow ibex]

Lol I'm totally fine with that. The dude I'm talking about was literally halfway across the map.

And had less damage than me

Definitely wasn't killing much

[formal ice]

How you veterans will feel to become ogryn?

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[formal ice]

When was the last time veteran got content?

[faint beacon]

Zealot players wouldn’t shut up 🚬

That’s why

[pseudo fiber]

The double barrel and bolt pistol can carry vet content for another year

[formal ice]

2 years

[dry cloak]

You meant the plasma

[tropic notch]

Me when I put time into the game and i get really good

I would say speedrunning is going stealth zealot and running past everything

[hollow ibex]

that's what i normally expect, but this was a vet

[hollow ibex]

true, the real sign of skill isn't how much damage you do, but rather whether you can suck your cock while playing the game

[tropic notch]

Where they killing anything?

[hollow ibex]

not much

and certainly not the boss they had triggered

just sprint slided away while the rest of us dealt with the boss

[tropic notch]

Yeah I would say they were being stupid

[broken spade]

I think even if they kill everything, the nice thing to do would still be to let the team play at the pace they want to

that being said, i still get annoyed as hell when the team is being super slow

[tropic notch]

I’ve been kicked for “carrying”

[hollow ibex]

lol he was halfway across the map, the two psykers on my team were way behind, and i was constantly somewhere in between the psykers and the speedrunner

we were so spread out

i ended up just circling back to the psykers \

[tropic notch]

I killed everything in the next room killed a beast and someone put in chat to stop carrying and i got kicked

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1133548538647805964/1285621141905346560/attachment.gif

[faint beacon]

You can’t keep up and you go down

[grand perch]

vid or it didnt happen

[faint beacon]

I’m not reviving you

[broken spade]

pain

most annoying thing to me is when people just farm kills right before an airlock/elevator

like just walk in jfc

[tropic notch]

“Dude please stop being good at the game YOURE RUINING MY FUN”

[faint beacon]

Keep up lmao

[tropic notch]

It’s as shrimpel as

[faint beacon]

You can’t keep up with how I’m playing and you die enjoy being tied up 90% of the match

[hollow ibex]

if you're a room or two ahead, that's whatever, but if you're way ahead, that's on you

[broken spade]

I think it's understandable for people to be annoyed when someone's carrying too hard

[hollow ibex]

i get sad when i can't do much because i got a way better player on the team

but i won't take it out on them

[broken spade]

Like it's easy to take for granted because auric was the hardest difficulty for so long, but most of the tryhards in this server are kinda too good to be playing it

We're basically smurfing if we play auric damn

too bad havoc is so annoying to set up

and also kinda annoying in general

[faint beacon]

Actively using weapons that are throwing in havoc

[hollow ibex]

auric damn be comfy though

[broken spade]

it is

it just isn't really fair for average people who want to struggle through the "hard" difficulties for the first time

[hollow ibex]

for me, i offset the issue by playing mostly meme builds

[faint beacon]

Gotta casually remind myself you have to min max suggest for new players instead of using literally whatever the fuck you wish

[grand perch]

i had two good players go ahead and trigger the next room on gloriana while myself and a glugger were tied down by endless special waves behind

cue the 2 guys in front getting downed and netted respectively, with 1 spamming 'thanks' in chat

the lesson here is dont spam sarcastic remarks if its your own damn fault

[vernal trench]

If they egtting downed and netted how are they good

[rose flume]

I see that alot on Malice and higher. I don't do auric or havoc, juet because I don't feel like wasting my time, but people do that so often man

[vernal trench]

[rose flume]

Its like, almot every game I have a guy run ahead and die

To either nets, dogs, or something else lol

[vernal trench]

Auric type shit

[rose flume]

The people I see do it the most tho are vets and zealots. I stick with the team, since I run chorus, but someone always runs off lol

[grand perch]

cause sometimes, shit happens

they played competently otherwise

[vernal trench]

[rose flume]

I love that

[vernal trench]

Ogryn studying

[static egret]

Whats the best weapon too use

[atomic zephyr]

loaded question if ever saw one

what for?

[formal ice]

For killing of course

[atomic zephyr]

shredder nades

next question

[formal ice]

Uhhhh are veterans happy that ogryn will get stronger?

[atomic zephyr]

sure why not

I see no reason to complain

[vernal trench]

Not if they overbuff it

Ogryns are already godly how they are rn

[formal ice]

Make ogryn better than zealot? Yes please

[vernal trench]

We dont need another zealot thats just even better and bigger

[atomic zephyr]

should see how the rework shakes out first

then complain

[tame lodge]

Zarona revolver
Plasma gun
Boltgun
Bolt Pistol
Vraks 5
Recon

[vernal trench]

im just sayin

[formal ice]

Wheres the AK-47?

[tame lodge]

Agripina Brauto?

It's a braced auto

[formal ice]

Bullet version of the recon

Which is the one you can hold right

[faint beacon]

Not as ammo efficient seeing vet has Shocktrooper

[tame lodge]

Well they are usable
They just don't fit "the best to use"

[faint beacon]

A lot of weapons on vet are that Tbf

All ranged weapons seeing Vet turns abysmal dogshit into useable when its ranged based

Same for Zealot with Melee

[crude wind]

he is not bigger Zealot

no one will ever be Zealot

[formal ice]

Zealot should be weaker than ogryn

Its the truth

[thorn lark]

sounds like @slow sky problem

[broken spade]

did they announce an ogryn update or are people just memeing on ogryn again?

[thorn lark]

it's coming

[broken spade]

any details?

[slow sky]

It's good

[thorn lark]

complete tree reworked

[broken spade]

oh neat

[tame lodge]

It's real

[thorn lark]

yes, i am glad they listened to @woeful junco and they nerfed ogryn

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/one-pice-gif-26834018

[broken spade]

ogryn gets deleted from the game

good rework

[woeful junco]

Yeah totally

[woeful junco]

Devblog tomorrow

[thorn lark]

people are complaining about Fatshark update schedule... well i am still waiting for a new Radiohead album

[cedar reef]

on overwatch, is that being hit at all or just after toughness is broken?

[tame lodge]

Health damage specifically

Melee attacks will bleed through if you don't have your toughness maxed

[tall torrent]

Health damage from melee attacks

[forest scaffold]

Common complaint at least

nothing new there

[sleek garden]

Too good to be playing it or playing duelling sword shout plasma

A little bit of both

[cedar reef]

radiohead went back to their homeworld bro

[terse idol]

We juuuut got cutouts

Like, if you want radiohead you're listening now to "the smile"

Or I like to call, Thom Yorkes retirement band

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515538475134998/1347278502105317427/Desktop_2025.03.06_-_13.43.27.02.mp4?ex=67cb3e62&is=67c9ece2&hm=5aeab1835279cda8b89d22de6d64c4fe30b6078b5f1ca03e0ec68b9e87e7acf6&

I cooked

[orchid hemlock]

When is this out??????

[tall torrent]

I just finished Rashad’s section

Today

Now need to do all that

For every melee

Which I’m kinda lazy for

[tall torrent]

On the bright side

I prob won’t need to change a lot of things following the N&V update

[grand perch]

just do rashad only, all other weapons are superfluous anyway

[orchid hemlock]

True, just make a tier list and then end the guide

[faint beacon]

Unless veteran gets hit with buffs or nerfs basically

But it’s nothing insane for the guide

[vernal harbor]

Only veterans can play this class sorry guys

[thorn lark]

that is so true lol

[terse idol]

I hope i can make a thom tour in my life time

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/cum-gif-20534148

[thorn lark]

''Pitchfork attributed the Smile to Greenwood's frustration with Radiohead's slow working pace and his desire to release records that are "90 percent as good [that] come out twice as often"'

not feeling the 90 percent as good tbh

[feral stratus]

What is the wishlist for veteran in the update?

I would be happy with a exclusive weapon that isn't shared with every other class ngl

[tame lodge]

None

Wait for a second opinion

[hollow ibex]

Prepare to be disappointed

[tall torrent]

Not coming in this update

[tame lodge]

Wait for a fourth opinion

💀

[feral stratus]

Don't think it will be necessary

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-so-sorry-noah-nobody-wants-this-please-forgive-me-adam-brody-gif-8563560465392083368

[terse idol]

Imo most of its alright

Wall of eyes...

Cut outs was eh

It just felt like Thom Yorkes solos

Which, lmao only wall of eyes being good literally half the albums

[thorn lark]

radiohead with 2 out of 5 members is still not radiohead and well yeah, feels more like another TY solo album

I am not saying it's bad though, but well maybe i want one last album

[terse idol]

[thorn lark]

another portishead album tho...

[crude wind]

Some fellow people in their 30s in the chat rn

[thorn lark]

40s

👴

[narrow frost]

80s

[formal ice]

Too old, send him to the furnace

[crude wind]

Checks out

[formal ice]

[vernal harbor]

I’m still young I’m a year away from 30

[thorn lark]

🫃

[vernal harbor]

got me

[thorn lark]

Dadbod incoming

[vernal harbor]

believe that’s a child

[thorn lark]

the lie we tell ourselves

[crude wind]

Hahaha

[fading yarrow]

"I'm not fat, I'm pregnant," I protest before chugging my fifth can of Coors and crushing it against my forehead

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent

Im a Tru gamer

[tall torrent]

I'm prob upgrading to a 4060~4070 laptop later this year

[orchid hemlock]

Why do u need a laptop?

U travel a lot? 🤔

[tall torrent]

need to move it around often yea

I'm using it for half studies half gaming

[faint beacon]

I’m going to keep harassing you to eventually get a Tower path

Before you even say anything YES

I HAVE DOORKICKERS 2

🤫🧏

[hollow ibex]

Based. Not getting ngreedia

[hollow ibex]

Smh you caved

[orchid hemlock]

I got it in a 5 minute window ☠️

I don't even know how

[loud belfry]

as if anyone has a choice

9070 xt is looking good though. crazy how a 7~/10 gpu is $750

[faint beacon]

He bought Trepang2

I had to honor the deal

[broken spade]

I've been out of the loop for amd for a while
What's the nvidia equivelant of the 9070xt?

[vernal trench]

4070ti i think

5070ti

Idk

[bleak cradle]

I think it is fantastic that fsr4 is equivalent or better than dlss3. I never recommended amd because dlss was just so superior. While dlss4 is superior, seems like fsr4 is also really good

[vernal trench]

Yea but fsr4 isnt as widely supported sadly

Not even close

[tall torrent]

U did get it?

[bleak cradle]

Hopefully it will be equally down later in the year/2026.

[faint beacon]

Hmm I wonder

[tall torrent]

download and play then

[arctic rampart]

The problem is not the hardware, it's the crap that goes with it. On basically all the games I have played I constantly see AMD users having extra issues.

It's not like Nvidia has great drivers. They used to be great. But they're still on another level to AMD's trash drivers

[broken spade]

yeah I do see people complain about amd issues during game launches a lot

[cedar reef]

which recon do people use? i been using the 12 with burn stacks the whole time

never even considered it lol

[arctic rampart]

I use 12 fast firing one but people like the others as well

[tropic notch]

Soon

[arctic rampart]

one of the other choices has horde cleave, and the 3rd recon has like more efficient damag eor something.. but I like the noise the fast firing one makes

[tropic notch]

I actually wonder if i should just get a regular one and overclock it to that boost clock

Instead of paying extra for the oc

[cedar reef]

already outdated bro

[arctic rampart]

most people are underclocking stuff these days tbh

[junior grail]

It sounds like a Banshee of death

[tropic notch]

I gotta get the 6090 now

[cedar reef]

sorry just got old

[tropic notch]

With more ai

[arctic rampart]

when you underclock or undervolt it frees up heat in your system allowing for actual faster performance

[tropic notch]

[tropic notch]

Mmmm liquid cooling

[broken spade]

undervolt and overclock

[cedar reef]

had an aio crack and rin a motherboard now i hate it.... got anotherone stressing me out

[tropic notch]

Yeah im just gonna get a regular one and overclock it

No need for that extra dosh to be wasted

I think?

[broken spade]

If you get lucky enough, maybe your overclock reaches the same performance

is the price difference significant?

[hollow ibex]

12 or 6

[junior grail]

I wonder if non Ogryn weapons would get a buff

Looking at you Autopistol

[arctic rampart]

shredder is perfectly balanced for years

its the most balanced weapon in the game

its funny how they can leave weapons just trash garbage for months. I dunno, just buff em a little so they're usable?

some people think shotguns are op though.

[junior grail]

Shotguns are poopoo ...except doublyshotty

[kind scarab]

Shotguns need hyper specialised builds and good aim to be worth using.

Realistically, the aim part can be fixed if they just made penetration on trash mobs more forgiving and without the damage falloff

[crude gazelle]

Am I throwing if I don't use the stabby rapier :(?

[kind scarab]

It's never throwing if you're good at what you do. Stabby rapier is just much easier to excel at for most people, and gives pinpoint accurancy + great damage for getting rid of problems.

[arctic rampart]

no, you're throwing if you don't use whatever you want

[last pewter]

no youre not throwing

only ogryns can throw

we toss

[crude gazelle]

gotcha xD

[last pewter]

Ive crawled out of bed to clarify
'throw' as in they throw their grenades cus like, y'know, ogryn strength
okay back to bed

[unreal nova]

LIES. Zealots can also throw. They just throw knives.

[kind scarab]

False, they also throw hands.

[tropic notch]

Nope you only throw when you take a lot of damage and die a lot as long as you say alive and do damage your good and golden

[steep flower]

They throw insults too

[unreal nova]

Excuse me, you can just take alot of damage but never go down. Zealot BS go!

[tropic notch]

Marty is sooooo poopy

I hate it

[unreal nova]

What Marty? I use crits.

I'm talking until death+holy rev BS lul.

[tropic notch]

True

Tbh I like it is a game saver

[unreal nova]

True. You can also bs a rescue or revive with it as a last resort.

[hollow ibex]

wtf

[faint beacon]

Discord being amazing per usual (abysmal dogshit)

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jPuR6R039AairVSbu?invite=cr-MSxvc3IsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

[uncut pebble]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1287161017205526608/s3OnVwp.gif

[plucky tapir]

helbore rifle dump stat?

[uncut pebble]

Stability, iirc.

[sleek garden]

i cant believe my eyes

im looking at this randoms build

hes got frags marksmans focus and infiltrate

[radiant chasm]

well, if i'm being honest

[sleek garden]

with bolt pistol

[radiant chasm]

infiltrate+ marksman is prob the best combo for sitting your ass still

nvm

[sleek garden]

thought hed be using an autogun or inflas

but no

[radiant chasm]

yea

[faint beacon]

how do you build into that

the point tax has to be fucking INSANE

[sleek garden]

he had enough extra points to get camouflage and a second charge of infiltrate

[hollow ibex]

amateur move unless he also took survivalist

and make his talent tree look like a snake

[faint beacon]

what frags

im going to try to recreate it to the best of my ability

[sleek garden]

the frags

[faint beacon]

shredders?

[sleek garden]

yeah

[faint beacon]

and what aura

[sleek garden]

i dont recall

i was gonna take a screenshot but he left on a mission

sorry

[faint beacon]

Uh Bullets, Man running, man standing still

[sleek garden]

wait he had the talent that gives toughness on headshot

so survivalist

[faint beacon]

EXCUSE ME LMAO

[sleek garden]

and this is with bolt pistol

[faint beacon]

3 points to spare

actual methhead build

[sleek garden]

no

he had tunnel vision as well

id run it though

with like a zarona spreadshot though

[austere mica]

OOHHHHH

Its an MF penance build

[faint beacon]

Huh

guess he's penance grinding

can't really fault him

[austere mica]

I have actually recommened something like this several times

Different top tree and no tunnel vision though

And low profile over second charge

[wild vortex]

I'm just using Recon Las to try and grind out that penance

Not efficient, but at least it's fun

[unreal nova]

Sounds like penance farming. No, I totally did not run something like that to get most stuff per go.

[tropic halo]

That's interesting build if they are going for the penance lol

[faint beacon]

Look I respect Tunnel Vision + Camo combo for MF cause that shit is actually fun for an Aggressive MF Build

issue

you usually dont have stacks up often

this is why MF should be reworked imo

[faint beacon]

Not mine man, Im simply a messenger of what someone was running

[wild vortex]

what weapons would you use this with

[tropic halo]

FriedShark

[faint beacon]

Apparently it was Bolt Pistol and

some sort of melee they were using

idk what melee

[wild vortex]

yeah I mean that was that guy, what would you use it with

[faint beacon]

if I HAD TO USE THAT?

or the MF Tunnel + Camo combo

[wild vortex]

wait is that different

[faint beacon]

this is what im talking about

I tend to run O4B with this combo

[wild vortex]

I see

you run it with Brauto?

[faint beacon]

Shockingly no

Vigilant usually paired with like

fuck any of Veterans good neutral melees

Knife, Shovel, Heavy Sword, rarely Power

ran Taxe on the build before and it works

[wild vortex]

for some reason I don't click with taxe on Vet

[faint beacon]

(Technically IAGs would also be good)

[wild vortex]

on Zealot I fucking love it

[faint beacon]

Taxes fuck on Veteran

they are really damn nice using

[wild vortex]

thing is, I am a left click andy

[faint beacon]

Taxe 7

[wild vortex]

so the whole PA-heavy loop makes me want to snooze

[faint beacon]

PA + H + L or H + L loop

PA is literally there for when its like

shit I need to push but I also need to hit them

feels extremely fluid

[wild vortex]

hmmm

[dry cloak]

for heavy sword preferable perks are?

remind me please

[thorn lark]

i run flak maniac or flak elite

[grand perch]

Heavy sword is such a sweet combo with vigi guns

[charred mist]

how do i get past level 30??

[random aurora]

that's max level

[thorn lark]

you have seen videos with people using true lvl mod probably

[jaunty sphinx]

Yeah

[wild vortex]

wake and kill every Daemonhost you see

[gaunt anchor]

whats the best mark for braced auto?

[tropic notch]

I do flak and carapace with headtaker and deathblow

[pallid jetty]

all of them are ok

[tropic notch]

I also dump cleave targets

[pallid jetty]

with the lighest one much easier to keep suppression

just tap tap tap

lots of ammo

[charred mist]

what??? i swear i’ve seen a level 35 reward and level 40 players

[gaunt anchor]

Havoc levels most likely

[jaunty sphinx]

Oh that's their havoc rank

Havoc rank goes up to 40

Forgot it shows that now

[charred mist]

oh right

how do i increase that

is it that terminal?

[jaunty sphinx]

Yeah do havocs

[charred mist]

right don’t i need to do an auric mission first or smth

[jaunty sphinx]

Yeah

[charred mist]

any difficulty auric? and what am i expecting

to get mauled?

[analog mural]

It's a maelstrom you need to do I think. Auric maels will get you up to havoc 16 right away

[charred mist]

i haven’t even beaten damnation yet am i cooked

[charred mist]

right ok thanks

[jaunty sphinx]

Auric maelstroms are fun

[gaunt anchor]

basically

havoc 1 through 10 is malice

11 through 20 is heresy

and past is damnation

[forest scaffold]

Nope

welcome to the progression of skill in darktide

Damnation starts out as really hard. Then you slowly get to the point where Damnation isn't stretching your skill so much. Then you move into Damnation+, hi int specialists and the other modifiers. Then that isn't stretching your brain so much and you move into Aurics

then maelstrom

then havoc

[normal bay]

The real difficulty is using the party finder to get into a Havoc game

[forest scaffold]

(most people stop at heresy, if I recall correctly, so there's no reason to beat yourself up if damnation remains hard for a long time)