veteran-class

[gleaming adder]

Do you guys think the savlar chem dogs throw gang signs and cripwalk on their spare time?

[frank ledge]

Always dodge when hound approaches

[tame void]

Whenever I hear the hound pounce I just push, it's 360 anyway

[fiery raft]

Push is?

[raw needle]

yes

[pearl granite]

which infantry autogun is the most effective nowaday? 😄

[tame lodge]

Vraks 5

You just brrrr, CRIT and whatever you're shooting at dies

Unless carapace we don't recommend shooting carapace

Anyways Onslaught allows you to shoot carapace

[pearl granite]

nade for them then? 🤔

[tame lodge]

Or knife
Or dueling sword
Or mk6 power sword push attack light to the head

[pearl granite]

I just come back to vet today after few months, and forget where talents were on the tree 😊

also seems like my builds are reset...

[tame lodge]

Yeah FS changed some talents
So the trees reset

[pearl granite]

thanks, time to try to figure out new build...

[drifting verge]

Armageddon steel legion this Thursday I beg fatshark

[tame lodge]

Driptide is pointing to ork hunters

Mate
Just get RnG Surgical

Reduced spread CRIT goes boom

Every other kickback blessing is dogshit anyways (I don't remember kickbacks blessings)

I mean BA isn't shit

[normal bay]

Shooting long ranged enemies with the kickback shotgun

(Ogryn exclusive)

[tame lodge]

Well BA Surgical wouldn't have the best synergy

Unless counting about the fact that you'd have a Kickback for sustained fire and "sniping"

But you know

Heavy Stubbers are a thing for that

Except they wouldn't have pellets to hit multiple enemies at once

Hmmmmm

[sleek garden]

However they do have cleave and sort of automatic fire

[thorn lark]

BA surgical is working quite well and it's a very well rounded gun with those blessings

https://tenor.com/view/ponke-ponkesol-monke-monkey-mind-blown-gif-6090016650681919740

Kickback is a shotgun, surgical is a blessing. It's for ogryns.

[serene bough]

in your defense, i wouldn't expect a blessing name like "surgical" to go on a blunderbuss type weapon either

[thorn lark]

Oh sorry mate

[grand perch]

i dont wanna know what an ogryn doctor would use for a scalpel

his ripper gun?

[serene bough]

well he has 3 cleavers

[supple stag]

It has a bayonet so...

Could work

[serene bough]

maybe delicate surgical operations would be tricky for the big man, but i bet nobody is better at amputating limbs

[grand perch]

accidentally or not

[unreal nova]

Can't you just shoot the limb off with like a hellbore or something?

[serene bough]

idk if its medically responsible to blow the limbs off of patients with rifles

then again, they are lasers, so it may cauterize the wound

[unreal nova]

It's also fairly irresponsible to have an Oggy act as surgeon though.

[hollow ibex]

if it's an amputation, prob fine

[unreal nova]

Thus, emergency las amputation.

[sleek garden]

It would be the mk3 cleaver

[sage cairn]

maybe ill ask here 👀 any Tac Axe setups? Mark, Perks n blessings? for Vet and Zealot

[wild vortex]

behold my extremely original taxe setup on Zealot

[sage cairn]

ey... good to know what about the weapon itself?

[calm shard]

why do you not hve sustained assault

[wild vortex]

honestly you should ask Epic Cole, he's the taxepert as far as I'm aware

[calm shard]

but bothered to take the 2 points for thy wrath be swift

[wild vortex]

oh hang on

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d542ea0-2eca-412b-979e-a74c9d3ede8b/left-click-lobotomite-immortal

here's Cole's build, ignore whatever tf I posted

[sage cairn]

aight ima see

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-441666516964176409

[hollow ibex]

i use mk4 for funny light spam

[sage cairn]

✍️

ima try em all out

[thorn lark]

The basic taxe setup is bm headtaker and flak + unarmored

[hollow ibex]

on mkvii and ii maybe

and taxes really want carapace

[thorn lark]

With those you do push attack + heavy 1 to horde clear and light spam against cara and unyielding.

[thorn lark]

I think unarmored is more important for the bruiser bp

[wild vortex]

I want to do nothing BUT light attack with taxe

so I just use mk4 with BM+Headtaker

[thorn lark]

Well you can do that but push attack is very safe

[wild vortex]

I do that vs rager clown cars

[thorn lark]

It's perfect against ragers

[hollow ibex]

i tested a while back and on mk4 there's basically no discernible difference in horde clear speed using BM vs. scab bruiser lol

[wild vortex]

is it

[hollow ibex]

yeah BM was my first pick

if you light spam, HT really carries the weapon

BM barely ends up mattering, though it'd prob help against pox hordes

i'd rather just take relentless strikes or shred tho

[thorn lark]

You need unarmored and a crit on heavy to os the scab bruiser iirc

On 7 (the one I use)

[uncut pebble]

No they really don't, 25% of nothing is still gonna be nothing.

[hollow ibex]

that sounds about right

[hollow ibex]

nah, 1k dps against crusher's aight

[calm shard]

thick skulls on those guys

[subtle stag]

hi guys, what you can say about this builds?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e4c3b5b-8149-4562-a081-256a92e1aded/kill-squad-trooper-weapon-specialist?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e4c34be-6cb2-43a6-b141-acd365ff3aef/kill-squad-trooper-focus-target?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

it's good for havoc 40 or not?

[thorn lark]

If you go heatker + no bm... Yeah I would probably take flak + elite/cara/unyielding

[hollow ibex]

chainaxe in havoc is certainly a choice...

[calm shard]

chainaxe does great damage, and it's not like anything cleaves in havoc to begin with

[wild vortex]

grenadier vet, probably relying on bleed stacking from the nades for clear

[hollow ibex]

PS and rashad: am i a joke to you

i mean i respect the off meta take though ig

[thorn lark]

You don't really need tinkering... I would go precision strikes and more ammo at least

[tall torrent]

No just unarmored, headtaker + desperado

[thorn lark]

I was thinking about zealot tbh. But vet may have it easier

[grand perch]

ive tried it in like 3 matches, doesnt really work

ive also tried an exec + mf build with mk VII vigilant autogun in h40 today...doesnt hold up well, better off using ilas

[void dragon]

@tall torrent Have a question on what kind of build and blessings that ripper gun you mentioned me (66 ammo) would use (and if a different mk), i have used a ripper gun with dump on collateral and idk if i follow how its meant to be used this variation.

[tall torrent]

80 damage
80 range
66 ammo
Stability + collateral = 154 (any spread tbh)

Maniac
Flak
Blaze away
Inspiring barrage

Can opener is normally good but given you’re gonna have pickaxe / shield it’s not the biggest benefit to overall performance

Inspiring barrage + steady grip gives u a hilarious amount of toughness gain

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515538475134998/1343674639662190642/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.02.24_-_14.53.52.01.mp4?ex=67becac6&is=67bd7946&hm=c8ec18101789eb42fb23b7fa164b5862e31e942c71afbd9a7be7c9d1dd0d76d7&

[void dragon]

so its not really for gunluggers, its more of a "im walking to you FEAR ME YO- oh you died? GOOD!" for melee builds

[hollow ibex]

Do you still need steady grip for this? 🤔

[void dragon]

doesnt seems to need it, but seems like a nice boost as a ribbon

[tall torrent]

No but it’s better than lynchpin by a longshot

And it’s only 1 extra point cost

[tall torrent]

It’s a backup utility gun for melee build

Absurd toughness gain for when u get fucked over by flames / gas

High suppression to deal with ranged enemies

[hollow ibex]

But lynchpin funny with toughness regen perks

[tall torrent]

Can actually snipe bombers and trappers at midrange

[broken spade]

inspiring barrage is so much better than i remembered it being years ago
must've been buffed at some point

[wild vortex]

yeah but then you give up the ability to actually snipe gunners and reapers

idk man Rippers are just such a feelsbad shitter of a weapon

[tall torrent]

Gotta be honest
I don’t think it’s super worth building for unless you’re playing like ogryn duo/solo

[hollow ibex]

i like ripper

the main threat ogryn faces are disablers popping up out of nowhere

ripper deals with them well

[tall torrent]

Because it’s enough suppression for u to gapclose basically any ranged enemy

[wild vortex]

draw time bad, brace time awful, ammo garbage, uptime shit

[tall torrent]

Draw time is ok

U don’t even need to brace it

[wild vortex]

yeah but the ammo and uptime are just so horse piss

[tall torrent]

I don’t get why you’re trying to make a backup utility gun be a main dps tool

U gotta accept it for what it’s good at

[broken spade]

i should try inspiring barrage autopistol sometime

[wild vortex]

even in that role, I would still find it awful over Kicky or HS

[void dragon]

what weapon benefits of having can oppener on the ripper?

[wild vortex]

I guess not in the very specific niche you described, sure

[tall torrent]

Heavy stubber’s draw to fire time is way worse than ripper lol

[wild vortex]

better in every other way though

[tall torrent]

If you have to snipe things at range yea

But it’s still not nearly as good as other classes’ options for sniping things at range

And I’ve found ripper’s utility to be just much better for what ogryn is good at

As for kickback
Yea it’s super strong
I still prefer ripper over kickback

[void dragon]

i do like the stab of the ripper bleeding and reducing armour

[tall torrent]

There’re some inconsistencies with kickback 1 taps

That ripper is more reliable against

And whatever ripper doesn’t kill it’ll stagger/suppress

Like I said it’s mainly a utility tool

[void dragon]

what melee you think pairs up the best with it?

[tall torrent]

Karsolas

[void dragon]

because its best melee ogryn has or for a specific reason?

[tall torrent]

Karsolas is the highest mixed horde dps melee for ogryn

You don’t need can opener on ripper when Karsolas can already kill every enemy with peak efficiency

[thorn lark]

Best melee ogryn

[void dragon]

is there any scenario where can opener is good?

[tall torrent]

If u have a cleaver yea

Shield maybe?

But shield is usually taken purely as a utility pick now

[wild vortex]

I guess if you tag a monstrosity with it right at the start

Outside of that i doubt

[tall torrent]

It depends

[tame lodge]

No Precision Strikes is crazy 💀

[tall torrent]

Because if ur teammates are hitting it with stuff like Rashad then brittleness does insignificantly little

[wild vortex]

Yeah I mean that's the only actual use case I can think of

[tall torrent]

If ur teammates are hitting it with low unyielding ADM attacks then brittleness helps more

[wild vortex]

Rather than hitting whatever tf with the business end of a pickaxe

[broken spade]

people usually aren't hitting the boss with something that has bad unyielding adms

actually what even has a bad unyielding adm?

[tall torrent]

Sapper shovel

Recon lasgun

[broken spade]

What's recon's adm on unyielding?

[void dragon]

thanks for your answers, kinda sad, i really enjoy stabbing crushers with it before shanking them

[tall torrent]

VIc is 75% up to 10m
XII and XIV are 65% up to 10m

[broken spade]

oh
i guess can opener helps there then

[tall torrent]

Recon experiences standard falloff from 10-20m and falls to minimum beyond 20m

[broken spade]

not uncommon to see people spamming a recon on a monstrosity

[tall torrent]

Difference is that most of recon’s monster damage is unironically from infernus

Burn DOT doesn’t have bad unyielding adm

[broken spade]

plenty of recon builds tend to grab a rending node too, so I guess it's not as bad as a 65% adm in practice

[hollow ibex]

This explains a lot lol

[gaunt anchor]

Whay ver weapons are best for dealing with carapace outside of bolters

[tame lodge]

Zarona Revolver

[tall torrent]

combat axe III
power sword VI
duelling sword IV
combat blade VI
chainaxe IV and XII

[gaunt anchor]

So true forgot about vet getting that

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent what have you done to me I’m in love with the mk6 knife on vet

[tall torrent]

opened ur eyes

[tropic notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/697445461312929845/1291730865575039068/Tumblr_l_18050364746536.gif

Sometimes I don’t mange my stamina with it and get too careless

[hollow ibex]

Knife mk3: am I a joke to you

[gaunt anchor]

Never used any of the axes tbh

[hollow ibex]

Now that's heresy

[gaunt anchor]

I just like my shovel man

[gaunt anchor]

okay so what exactly do smoke nades do?

[gaunt anchor]

got it thanks pookie <3

I always thought it was useless because I could never see rthe actual effects and atuff

[echo vortex]

using infantry lasgun is depressing

my fingers husrt

[tropic halo]

They are pretty useful, you just gotta learn how and when to use them correctly

[tame lodge]

Alternatively, portable Vent Purge

We do be out here spamming Smokes

🗣️

[tropic halo]

The high havoc saviour

[grand perch]

if you use the fastest firing one and are not on xbox, use autofire mod

no shame in preventing carpal tunnel

[serene bough]

i stopped using the autofire mod for IIb

recoil is too jumpy at certain ranges

[calm shard]

grenade spam build with smokes to make the game unbearable for your entire group

twinned blast, grenade tinker, field improv, demolition stockpile, and demo team all together

also bolt pistol so the smokes are bigger

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/drink-water-thirsty-fumbling-gif-10195256

What it feels like using mkii with full auto mod

[grand perch]

just start aiming with the hitmarker from the previous shot

[inner temple]

Why you don't use them. Takes too many taps. Not much they do. No hold to fire just at a slow rate etc

[serene bough]

love my flashlight

iib is the weapon for me its my favorite

[inner temple]

I wish you well on enjoying arthritis and whatever else you can get by too much tapping.

[terse idol]

Just pick the

Middle one, not the fastest one

Or the slowest firing one

[serene bough]

fastest the best

just gotta condition yourself to not fire as fast as possible for every encounter and control your shots

[calm shard]

at least there's a mod for that

[serene bough]

yeah the QoL would be nice

[wanton dawn]

Who need QoL when you can have locks

[tame lodge]

Don't worry
You can auto charge Helby if you just hold m1

[faint beacon]

Hot take I personally think adding an option to let you do that is better

cause sometimes I want to take my time lining up a shot with Semi/Burst rifles

Seeing those guns usually reward precision

[faint beacon]

BRING BACK LOCKS 🗣️

[serene bough]

pls no

[faint beacon]

YOU WILL ACCEPT YOUR NEAR GOD ROLL DOGSHIT ITEM

AND YOU WILL LIKE IT

[serene bough]

[faint beacon]

I'll never forget my near god roll Agri IX that had fucking weakspot on it LMAO

thats literally what ruined it

[tall torrent]

Think about plasma and ripper

[wanton dawn]

BRING BACK LOCKS 🔒

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-cd-sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-eggman-dr-eggman-gif-6513385627739669387

[grand perch]

these absolute VARLETS

[serene bough]

players being satisfied with crafting what they want isnt very faithful to the lore, the crafting experience must return to being as grimdark as the universe

return to the locks 🔒

[terse idol]

The players yearn for the locks

[grand perch]

You guys are triggering my ptsd of rolling for the perfect Rashad

Had all or nothing perk instead of headtaker for a year or so because I couldn't be bothered to roll again

[serene bough]

you know you miss it

the locks must return

[errant carbon]

If they want the lore-accurate itemization experience, we don't craft at all. We requisition from what is available to us based on our reputation (level) and the importance (difficulty) of the mission, then we canonically have to give it back at the end of the mission

[terse idol]

What no

Canonically we get weapons that are looted from the battlefield

Now to say like we give them back...

I mean, it depends if you view the mastery level 30 weapons as canon

We give them back as in, they probably just store the weapons in the armoury or we have our own little locker but we don't know

If the weapon level 30 mastery weapons are canon, we do get our weapons pimped out with purity seals ro be fair

Which suggests we technically own our weapons

[tall torrent]

Well
We can’t roam around the mourningstar with gun in hand
So handing them back is sorta accurate

[terse idol]

In theory too, like
All missions might be damnation difficulty but we don't know

[gaunt anchor]

what mark for combat axe is best for cracking through carapace?

[tame lodge]

Without even double checking

I'm going to say Rashad

Now lemme double check

[hollow axle]

Hello everyone i'm new and trying every class to understand them all (you maybe sw me on others channel class).

So Veteran. I understood the best melee weapon was DS (forsaken). But what if you have souls ? And what about range weapons ?

[tame lodge]

Hmm
Apparently Achlys axe H1 is better at Carapace

Yeah lemme triple check later

[gaunt anchor]

what is a good weapon to pair with the axe? for a VoC build with focus target

[hollow ibex]

Anything you want

[gaunt anchor]

Got it

so shredder auto pistol

actually, what does the shredder auto pistol even do??

[cedar reef]

womething wrong here

[narrow frost]

staggers ragers with 2 bullets, has inspiring barrage for instant toughness, easy to clear corrupters, and its very mobile and fast

[gaunt anchor]

Ah got it

I have never seen it used nor used it

[narrow frost]

really good utility weapon

good for melee builds

[gaunt anchor]

got it got it

[odd sparrow]

good maniac dmg, high supression. Generally way too low dmg to be worth anything on vet tho

[hollow axle]

What are the best range weapon ? Helbore seems divise about draw speed, a lot of build seems to recommand plasma gun

[hollow ibex]

Plasma revolver bolter bistol recon las VIAG

[hollow axle]

bistol ?

[hollow ibex]

Those are the cream of the crop

Bolt pistol

[hollow axle]

Oh ! And VIAG is ...?

[tall torrent]

Axe

[tall torrent]

Rashad

[hollow axle]

I have some difficulties with horde clear

[tall torrent]

Axe

[hollow ibex]

Vraks Infantry Auto Gun

Brrrrrt

[uncut pebble]

All roads lead to rashad...

[hollow ibex]

Fr fr

[hollow axle]

Thanks and not Helbore ?

[tame lodge]

Helbore is just held back by draw speed otherwise it would be even more peak ranged weapon

[hollow axle]

Maybe a buff later !

[tame lodge]

Helbores hit hard against everything and have good ammo economy and firing uptime

[tall torrent]

Nah it has a lot more problems

[tame lodge]

Charging shots throw a lot of people out though

[hollow axle]

I'll try my first game with Helbore

[tall torrent]

Low maniac damage
Low overall DPS
Super slow draw to fire & aim
Abysmal iron sights
Very high talent investment

Any 2 of them combined is dealbreaker for most people

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/piktroll-axel-foley-axel-eddie-murphy-beverly-hills-cop-gif-8737934044478096829

Low maniac damage seems like a problem for broke ass mk3 and 5

[tall torrent]

Even IV needs maniac

And a near full charged headshot

[hollow axle]

So Rashad, how do you horde clear with this ?

[tame lodge]

Light attack

💀

[tall torrent]

Unarmored
Carapace
Brutal momentum
Headtaker

[gaunt anchor]

I would love hellbore more if its sights weren't stinky

[burnt vortex]

PA and lights for rash

[calm shard]

I use CHEATS (weapon customization mod) to give the Helbore good sights

[hollow axle]

Wait what

This is allowed ?

[tall torrent]

Everything on nexus is allowed

[calm shard]

any client side mod that doesn't affect other players is allowed

it does mean I just use the laspistol sights on more or less everything tho

very convenient

[gaunt anchor]

Epic

[mellow cobalt]

no this is normal

[faint beacon]

Console players being permanently damned to dog shit irons until the krieg set returns cause it has a P2W skin for the Helbore

[calm shard]

console players are already doomed to dog shit aim because controller

better sights will not change that

[tame lodge]

Just use the mk4

Like lmao

[loud belfry]

idk how console gamers can handle it

[tame lodge]

You guys know that Mk4 iron sights are different than mk3 and 5

Right?

[mellow cobalt]

so what's up with keep their heads down

in theory it sounds good but like

i've never noticed a difference

ig the weapons I use just aren't very suppressy?

[tame lodge]

Sounds like it

[mellow cobalt]

gtk tbh

[tame lodge]

Infantry Autogun and Lasguns have really low suppression value

[mellow cobalt]

ahhhhh

okay

that makes total sense why it's not suppressing them then

i wish we got more info like that on weapon thingies

cause like it usually feels like enemies are just such badasses that they tank getting shot without getting scared lmao

do direct hits suppress, actually?

[calm shard]

yeah

[calm shard]

it's mostly that most weapons have a tiny suppression radius, and dreg enemies who are much more common are still extremely resistant to suppression

scabs are much easier to suppress

Dreg Stalkers (the guys with assault rifles) used to be 100% immune to suppression

[mellow cobalt]

where I in charge of this game I'd make all enemies get at least a little suppressed when you fire anywhere near them

otherwise what's the point of suppression related perks

[calm shard]

your guess is as good as mine as to why the random cultists with assault rifles are nearly immune to suppression but the trained guardsmen aren't

[mellow cobalt]

also why shooting them with a lasgun 3 feet away from their head doesn't scare them

[calm shard]

gunners are actually like this currently

they flinch a bit from even the smallest amount of suppression and stop shooting

[mellow cobalt]

trash should have massive suppression radii tbh

[calm shard]

not reapers, but regular scab and dreg gunners

[surreal gust]

Yeah, gunners are weird

[mellow cobalt]

noticed that

[surreal gust]

They run away the moment you start shooting

[mellow cobalt]

come on fatshark I wanna be so tacticool (tm)!!! I wanna apply suppressive fire to support my team!!!!!

also weird that rapid fire weapons (ones that irl are used for suppressive fire) are actually really bad at suppressing in this game

idk

[calm shard]

it's just the infantry autoguns specifically

every other automatic weapon has good suppression

[surreal gust]

Even the shredder

[mellow cobalt]

oh okay nvm

[calm shard]

but the weapons with the highest suppression are the psyker staves, and flamers

[mellow cobalt]

flamers make sense but why psyker staves?

[calm shard]

staff left click on the psyker staves has absurdly high suppression

god knows why

[surreal gust]

Magic spooky

[mellow cobalt]

they worship a magical garbage can

[calm shard]

bolter and plasma gun also have high suppression obviously

[surreal gust]

Psyker magic spooky

[tall torrent]

No

[calm shard]

what do you mean no

[tall torrent]

They’re not immune

[tall torrent]

They just don’t?

[calm shard]

I see this literally every time I press LMB and miss at them in every single game

[tall torrent]

LMB of what

[calm shard]

helbore, infantry lasguns

[tall torrent]

Psyker staff projectiles?

[calm shard]

anything really

[tall torrent]

They don’t get properly suppressed from single shots

Takes a lot of shots to suppress them

U can tell gunner being suppressed very easily by their firing accuracy

Enemy animation feedback is not 1:1 correlation to their status

[calm shard]

yeah just tested it in psykhanium

one singular helbore shot vaguely near a gunner makes them flinch, stop shooting for about half a second, and then resume firing with worse accuracy

[tall torrent]

With + suppression talents?

[calm shard]

just the minor +25%

[tall torrent]

Charged shot tho right

[calm shard]

nope

[tall torrent]

Ok u gotta record that

[tall torrent]

Took 6 shots to properly reduce accuracy

[calm shard]

okay but I feel like them flinching a bit and not shooting you for a brief moment is the more significant effect

and it happens earlier

[tall torrent]

I actually don’t know why that happens

But it’s not a full stop and doesn’t last long enough to matter in vast majority of situations

[gaunt anchor]

@calm shard las pistol sights on hellbore made me shnut

its so nice to have man

[calm shard]

I dunno either, but it happens to all ranged enemies now

I don't remember it happening before gunners could walk out of cover

actually maybe it has to do with them being shot at when they're not in cover?

[errant carbon]

get the weapon fov mod and you can even adjust the zoom

[tame lodge]

Nice beat

[gaunt anchor]

god damn this feels so good

I love the las gun

hellbore feels so clean now

So how does the axe special work? and how should I be using it?

I do wish marksman focus was better

[tall torrent]

Which axe

[gaunt anchor]

Combat axe Achlys

[tall torrent]

Just beware that mod is one of the less stable ones and may crash your game

[gaunt anchor]

Got it

[tall torrent]

Switch to Rashad

[gaunt anchor]

got it

then what is the special used for?

[tall torrent]

Looking cool

It’s a single target stagger

With the exact same stagger breakpoints as push attack

Except push attack can hit way more enemies

[gaunt anchor]

so

its bad

got it

also is a +3 stamina curio with 400 total for the points a fake or real one??

[narrow frost]

fake

410+ is +3 stam

[gaunt anchor]

DAMNIT

Krilling myself now

so does the Enchanced Target priotization allow me to refesh stance when an ally kills someone highlighted?

[calm shard]

nope

it's just -1 skill point

if you're using exe stance you wanna know who on the team is probably best equipped to get rid of those highlighted enemies?

you

and if you can't just ping it

[gaunt anchor]

damn

[brazen mural]

What? Is this a thing?

[gaunt anchor]

apperently yeah

also any advice for the long shot penance

[brazen mural]

What is it?

[gaunt anchor]

need to hit 5 or more enenmies with a frag without it bouncing

[brazen mural]

ahh, ez pez on a map with long bridges

[gaunt anchor]

its been a hell to get cause I need to be like 40 meters away and there has to be a group and stuff

[brazen mural]

Throw it high

[calm shard]

more like 15-20

[hollow ibex]

Yeah easy on any map with a high overlook

[gaunt anchor]

I have been struggling to get it cause the like, really long detonation time it feels 😭

[calm shard]

if you're on default FoV and can see their heads you tap throw

[brazen mural]

Look at where it shows it will land, and make sure that the place of explosion is above ground and enemies

[gaunt anchor]

Alright will keep trying again then

[brazen mural]

That is the spirit 😄

[gaunt anchor]

on overwatch is also hell for me

cause its always some poxwalker for sneaks up on me and slaps me in the back of the head

[onyx urchin]

what blessings n' perks should go on a VII devil's claw for a VoC vet build?

[terse idol]

(Now because I'm partially a contrarion)

Its kinda worth it in like, lights out or fog

To help your team see abiiit better

[cedar reef]

how often should i be charge shotting my plasma gun vs just hip firing it?

[calm shard]

press the ping button

it does the same thing for free

[terse idol]

Never charge it

Always left click

[mellow cobalt]

i cant wait for long las weapon

if thats a thing

idk new vet weapons just

mmmm

[terse idol]

Like charging the plasma rn is never worth it

It's a net dps loss

[cedar reef]

ok ty 😄

[onyx urchin]

is savage sweep good? what do i need?

[gaunt anchor]

time for my weakly 'spend thoasands on curios from melk'

YIPPEE

not a single one over 400, LETS GOO

[hollow ibex]

Man I’m glad I got my curios before the browser extension died

[calm shard]

not unless the weapon has a really bad blessing pool

[gaunt anchor]

I love the combat axe guys

@tall torrent this weapon is so peak

[onyx urchin]

i havent touched the axes since i first tried em before the skill tree update, are thye better?

cause i dont like how sticky they felt

[errant carbon]

Combat Axe was always good, only difference is now Rashad > Antax. Tac Axe needs a crit/finesse oriented build but can still do well

[austere mica]

Tac axe ruins things if you can play it

But vet doesn't run it well

You need finesse damage boosts

[terse idol]

Rashad has always been pretty good

[hollow ibex]

Tbh even without the melee talents taxe is ok as a survivability stick and for basic horde clear

[broken spade]

Rashad was only fucked at launch because it was bugged

[terse idol]

Issue being comparing axes is always uhhh, well like Gale told me abit ago it's like comparing a nuclear weapon

The tac axe is good

But you can't compare to rashad

[broken spade]

rashad had janky hitbox priority at launch where it would hit shoulders instead of heads
this has been fixed a long time ago though

[gaunt anchor]

@brazen mural I got it

quick throw in the like sky yard

Conisgnment Yard Hl-17-36

[tall torrent]

Yea welcome to veteran

[last marten]

yeah its like a fun meta melee

[gaunt anchor]

I just see a mutant charging at me, pepperhim a bit then

pull out the axe, charge a heavy and slam it into their cranium right as they get close

it was peak

[uncut pebble]

Vet does run it well wtf are you on about?

Reciprocity, desperado, precision strikes.

55% bonus weakspot damage with melee and 10% flat crit chance bonus, plus a potential 25% from reciprocity.

This is without considering taxe's crit bonus stat.

[hollow ibex]

Yeah taxes crit all the time

On my bank account

Fuck the IRS 😭

[rose reef]

is one lasgun better than the other

of the standard lasguns

or is it just preference

[tame lodge]

2b is depicted as the better one

[austere mica]

Precision strikes is ranged only in my brain for whatever reason

[rose reef]

it is?

why though?

[uncut pebble]

The green one.

It hits 2shot breakpoints very comfortably.

The blue one has to work a little for them and has less range, the brown one doesn't have to work as hard, but you gimp your dps because your rof is so slow.

[calm shard]

the reason is because it's on the left side of the tree where every other gun bonus is

[faint beacon]

Achlys is an actually balanced Caxe but it requires patience to use

[gaunt anchor]

dump stat for plasma?

[hollow ibex]

@tired egret

[errant carbon]

wdym I can't just click for hordes and hold for single targets

[faint beacon]

My beloved PA - H - L

or the unoptimal H - L - L

[silver plank]

Charge speed i believe (no one really uses that)

[gaunt anchor]

I don';t like the plasma gun

this thing sucks

[tame lodge]

It doesn't but I understand

Kinda boring weapon

[gaunt anchor]

it feels so clunky to me

[tame lodge]

At least current integration sucks

[silver plank]

Bruh then dont use it 😭

[gaunt anchor]

yeah I am not using it. I just tried it out and man

[silver plank]

I use it to snipe and gain weapon specialist perk

Not good for hordes but sure is it good for specialists

I also love the recon lasgun, all i do i spam my voice of command and hold down the left mouse

[hollow ibex]

yeah bolter better

[tall torrent]

Blue one is best

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1343442215585976361/Screenshot_2025-02-23_233932.png?ex=67bf43d0&is=67bdf250&hm=cbb3e8be47676d66b54369168b203143ae6dccfba19fd8be1c52880b9134f1e9&

[gaunt anchor]

That's

So weird

[tall torrent]

This is one of 2 weapons with a super specific perfect distribution that’s not 4x80+60

[gaunt anchor]

whats the other one?

[tall torrent]

Ogryn’s ripper gun

[gaunt anchor]

how do you want ripper to be??

[tall torrent]

66 ammo
80 damage and range
Maniac + flak
Blaze away + inspiring barrage

It’s not as strict as plasma tho

[crude fiber]

What stats does ripper have?

Doesn't it have stability or collateral for dump?

[spring ocean]

so, need some pointers around the pus hardened skin modifier on havocs. what exactly can I do as a veteran to deal with them? I would like to take the recon lasgun, but it's effectiveness goes down to 0 against them. Any suggestions weapon wise aside from a plasma gun?

[tall torrent]

If u have 67 or higher ammo, it’ll take 2 shots to stack blaze away / inspiring barrage / cavalcade instead of 1

Which is pretty big if u ask me

[tall torrent]

The best gun against them is recon lasgun with infernus

Plasma is not as good in that role

U can also melee them

[spring ocean]

even with infernus I feel like I'm just not dropping them fast enough

[crude fiber]

your saying 2 shots per stack instead of 1?

[tall torrent]

They’re not meant to be dropped quickly, that’s kind of the thing

[spring ocean]

so in other words just play around it then, got it

[tall torrent]

Yea
So if u have 66 or lower ammo, every shot will stack them once

[crude fiber]

thats neat

[tall torrent]

Try to engage them in melee more often if possible

I’m not sure what havoc rank you’re at rn

[spring ocean]

I know, thats easy to do, I was just making sure I wasn't building wrong for ranged against them

[tall torrent]

But it’s generally a good idea to save ammo for the long run

[spring ocean]

25+

[tall torrent]

25 is still alright

[spring ocean]

I might be wrong on this but there's hidden modifiers as you go up in havoc difficulty(?)

[tall torrent]

Many

[spring ocean]

there a list that I can look at to see what those are?

[tall torrent]

Steam guide by combine00

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903

[spring ocean]

very much appreciated, thanks.

[gaunt anchor]

got a spearhead bolter from a mission

80s in all but mobility

[tame lodge]

Peak

[gaunt anchor]

and armoury had a revolver with 60 mobility too

80s in everything else

thank you tide

man how did I ever live without the combat axe??

[tall torrent]

[tame lodge]

You played the game

💀

[gaunt anchor]

combat axe is just

perfect

I think I should start a religion around the combat axe

[tall torrent]

Now go learn how to fight ragers with it

[gaunt anchor]

how do that?

[tall torrent]

Are u on pc

[gaunt anchor]

yeah

[tall torrent]

Get creature spawner mod

And go practice vs ragers

Goal is very simple

Kill as many without getting hit or using ability/gun/grenade

[gaunt anchor]

was just in hi intsnse shock and had like 8 ragers

[vernal trench]

Wait till u see 30 of them in a line charging at u

[gaunt anchor]

I am using Zarona + Combat axe

infil kraks and WS

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664591642967408640/1320852161265143878/axe.mp4?ex=67bf7aef&is=67be296f&hm=ef5a1ab2f0f05688014af4041bdfc5abf7719e0fbd0b3b9f4bb4c4c65c974e72&

[gaunt anchor]

Zarona just feels so good

[cloud thunder]

https://clips.twitch.tv/EagerFancyBearDuDudu-KGVzgzd3bJjPOUyF

Tell me this isn’t pain. Getting knocked off and dying because teammate shot pox while I was pushing it then ultimately failing the mission at extract because someone wanted to fight instead

[gaunt anchor]

ph yeah what blessings for combat axe

[tall torrent]

brutal momentum + headtaker

[gaunt anchor]

sweet so what I was already using

😎

I wish there was a way to check accuracy mid game and stuff

[hollow ibex]

scoreboard mod?

[gaunt anchor]

I was talking like, mid way through for that vet penance

need to end a game with 0 ammo and 90% acc

[surreal gust]

I might just do that with the bolt pistol and never pick up ammo, but that sounds like a tall order for heresy

[hollow ibex]

nah do it with DB

impossible to miss

[surreal gust]

Unless missed pellets count

[hollow ibex]

nah as long as one pellet hits

[loud belfry]

do a low intensity train mission and you can do it solo

[surreal gust]

One pellet hit counts? So long as I get a single hitmarker I get 100 percent accuracy?

[tall torrent]

It’s easy

Just use DB shotgun

[tall torrent]

Not exactly
U need a hitmarker that deals >0 damage

Only hitting bulwark shield still counts as miss pretty sure

[gaunt anchor]

I see

I was using revolver

[tall torrent]

I can help u with it if u want

[surreal gust]

Ah, okay

What’s the reserve on the DB

[tall torrent]

60

30 shots since you’ll use brace fire for it

[surreal gust]

Ah

Yeah I’ll try that once I get used to heresy

[gaunt anchor]

got it first try @tall torrent

[tall torrent]

Now go do on overwatch if u haven’t

[gaunt anchor]

sobbing weeping crying

dying as we speak

[tall torrent]

I can help u with on over watch

[surreal gust]

Overwatch is terrible I tell you hwat

[tall torrent]

It’s ez

If u cheese it

[surreal gust]

How would you cheese it? Get downed and never rescued?

[tall torrent]

Jump off map at start

Teammate speedrun without ever reviving

[surreal gust]

Ah, that makes sense

Can cross it off my list then pretty easily

[tall torrent]

If u guys are both on rn

I can do it for both of u at the same time

[surreal gust]

Nah, I’m going to bed in a few minutes

Good to know for later though

[tall torrent]

@gaunt anchor do u need help

[gaunt anchor]

I mean sure why not we could do that

[tall torrent]

What’s ur friend code

[gaunt anchor]

4907626713

combat axe, my beloved

[gaunt anchor]

@tall torrent watching you play is like watching master craftsman make a masterpiece

[tall torrent]

was so laggy for some reason

[gaunt anchor]

no clue but still from what I saw, it was peak

are the weapon specalist perks really worth it?

[tall torrent]

depends

[gaunt anchor]

Well, I am using Zarona + Combat Axe

[tall torrent]

always prepared yes

on your toes is very strong but may not be required

I think always prepared is only required for revolver / boltpistol / DB shotgun

[gaunt anchor]

got it

[tropic notch]

Didn’t they patch that?

[tall torrent]

well

not exactly?

[gaunt anchor]

doesn't seem like it

[tropic notch]

Also speaking of other weapons specialist keystones I wish they would rework the other ones

[gaunt anchor]

I really hate marksman focus tbh

[tropic notch]

Real

@tall torrent how good is duck and dive?

I never see it talked about

[tall torrent]

strong in solo/clutch (assuming not CIVI)
not rly worth it most of the time tho

[tropic notch]

I figured

Overweight water creature please gives us 5 more levels it’d be so funny

I could have both of vets stam regen delay nodes

[midnight wyvern]

please give us content I beg

[gaunt anchor]

honestly ould be cool to like, give a few more levels

:)

so I can add some extra silly stuff onto my builds

[terse idol]

You should do it real

[tall torrent]

nah

play axe and that's not a problem anymore

[tropic notch]

I still like to think sometimes I don’t wanna turn my brain off completely

[hollow ibex]

tbf, rashad is not entirely braindead

sometimes you need to remember to push

[gaunt anchor]

I LOVE THE AXEE

[hollow ibex]

and sometimes you need to remember to push attack

very sophisticated weapon

[gaunt anchor]

thank you veteran steam guide WIP for opening my eyes to such perfection

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-crossed-arms-pikachu-eyes-closed-pokemon-gif-15194868

[tropic notch]

Ok real

[gaunt anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/ascending-energy-galaxy-gif-17739196

I was a knife user and now I have learned the truth

[tall torrent]

knife is kinda just weird to play on veteran

[tropic notch]

It is compared to zealot

I wish the mk6 had a punch heavy combo

It’s so slow

[hollow ibex]

it plays just like zealot if you use lacerate mk3 on both classes

[tall torrent]

no?

[tropic notch]

As in punch heavy, punch heavy?

Maybe I’m too rotten from zealot

The mk 3 is lighting quick

[tall torrent]

punch heavy combo is almost entirely redundant on knife 3

[grizzled pebble]

Why punch heavy? It's punch light.

[tropic notch]

I’m sorry that’s what I mean by it

I think

It’s the attack after the punch

[tropic notch]

It lets me half health or almost kill a dh

Me likes it

[tall torrent]

highest dps combo on mk3 is PA spam
2nd highest dps combo on mk3 is [H2 + L3] loop

ur doing all that extra button pressing just to lose to H2 + L3 loop

[tropic notch]

I’m so washed

I’m been hitting dhs with a wet napkin

And still killing them

[hollow ibex]

doesn't mk3 push attack suck?

[tall torrent]

no

[tropic notch]

Not really

[tall torrent]

just ~10% less dps than mk6 PA spam

[hollow ibex]

is it a strikedown?

[tropic notch]

Push attack spam comes into play when surrounded or wanting to attack safely

[tropic notch]

Yeah

[hollow ibex]

hmm, i had been doing h3 l2

[solar monolith]

dumb question but how much dps do you lose if you go for H1 > PA > H2 > PA on mk6?

for um stamina reasons

[midnight wyvern]

I just wake them up with double krak, shout them and kill with a pinning fire bolter, very funny

[gaunt anchor]

Only 4 more penances left on vet till I have all 60

I need to do
7 more missions
get 150 more weak spot crits on elite/specalists with weapons specalist active
kill 200 more armoured targets with kraks
Kill...2,300 targets with 10 or more stacks of marksman..

[severe gale]

marksman’s focus

just go into carnival

with MMT

and u can do it solo

just crab walk and melee with rashad or powersword

melee kills count for the penance

they just don’t generate stacks

[gaunt anchor]

mmt?

What is MMT?

[severe gale]

many more tries mod

let’s u replay any map

[solar monolith]

also, flak armor counts for the krak penance

[severe gale]

troo

[solar monolith]

head to a mission with moebian 21st and throw it at hordes lol

[gaunt anchor]

okay so how do I get into it solo?

[severe gale]

u just pick any map that’s more than like

an hour ago

[solar monolith]

if you don't have mmt you could just queue into a dead server too

[severe gale]

with

maelstroom.net

[gaunt anchor]

alright, and it will just put it into something with just some bots?

[severe gale]

@slow sky are u awake

can u explain for me

i feel like i’m about to explode of exhaustion

[severe gale]

bots

[gaunt anchor]

got it

sounds easy enough yeah

then I can finally stop using marksman focus because it SUCKS

[severe gale]

real!!!

[gaunt anchor]

I can take uhh

camo

I get stackd when crouch walking

[grand perch]

Someone complains about marksman's focus should be on the vet chat bingo sheet

[gaunt anchor]

if it were good, I wouldn't be complaining!

[grand perch]

Don't underestimate the extra damage and breakpoints you will hit

[gaunt anchor]

look I have been trying to make it work, and it just isn't

[wild vortex]

I really love WS Vet man

I thought I'd get Make Every Shot Count that game but I clearly whiffed it

[wild vortex]

god, randos really can't handle Moebians can they

had to lock in and carry these sods

[tame lodge]

Pretty good buffs

[wild vortex]

Auric damn

[tame lodge]

And the activation condition is to hit heads with your ranged

It could be worse

Like Decapitator

[fiery raft]

what weapons you use?

[wild vortex]

Rashad / DB shotgun

[fiery raft]

ive only wep spec with db shotty and combat knife

could you send ur talent tree?

i wanna see if mine is any different

im still kind of new to the weapon specialist thing

[wild vortex]

This what I use

If path is around you should ask him instead

[wild vortex]

Frags are better than Kraks but I'm doing the Krak penance so using those instead

[fiery raft]

pathless?

[wild vortex]

I'd just give up the coherency tdr point if I had to take frags

[vernal trench]

Krak

[fiery raft]

yeah ofc

[wild vortex]

Path.exe

[fiery raft]

oh the veteran steam guide dude

[vernal trench]

3 hit kill😢

Na theyd die and rage quit

What u talkin bout

[wild vortex]

That's the joke, I'm not a good player

[fiery raft]

let someone have their moment man :(

shi im proud whenever i carry

[vernal trench]

U seen the true survivors joining dying and leaving all within half a minute?

[fiery raft]

ofc i dont like to look down on newer players

[vernal trench]

What mod

[fiery raft]

i assume they mean scoreboard

if i could see only my stats that'd be good

[vernal trench]

Thats how u see how many times someones died and what damage they did

[fiery raft]

but i dont think that's an option

[vernal trench]

Its not about ego

[fiery raft]

but yeah ^

atleast to me

i use it to gauge my performance

compared to better players than me

well yeah

to better players

[vernal trench]

And ur comparing performances between teamates

[fiery raft]

ig

[vernal trench]

Thsts a good mindset

[fiery raft]

its nice to have information if ur actively try to improve yk?

trying

[vernal trench]

Yea

Scoreboard padders thsts why

[fiery raft]

i do see what you mean, theres alot of people ive seen here who'll post scoreboard and shit on newer players and blow smoke up their own booty

but im sure there're plenty more who just use it to see number info

[vernal trench]

Scoreboard tells u what u need to improve on

[fiery raft]

and see like

'what do i need to improve on?'

or

'how did this wep do compared to the other?'

[vernal trench]

U need to see other teamates to know what u need to improve on

u only see ur damage then how can u tell how much damage ur supposed to be doing

[fiery raft]

its also nice to see if whenever you lose, whether it was you underperforming or ur teammates

thats something you tell to those who do

[vernal trench]

If theyre dead half the game no ones stopping me

[fiery raft]

but i wouldnt generalize scoreboard mod users because i personally dont like people doing that

and i dont wanna be lumped in with them much lol

[wild vortex]

I will absolutely shit on players that die 3 times a mission

At that point, take the difficulty down a notch and play what you can handle

Why, do you play in APAC?

[vernal trench]

Happens to everyone

[wild vortex]

The standard is not being a pain in the ass to your team lmao

[vernal trench]

Aint my fault the guy with true survivor is dying 5 times in a 40

[wild vortex]

One of these guys was Havoc Forged

Quite funny

[vernal trench]

No one public shames here

But when i say someone is dogshit for dying 10 times i aint wrong

[wild vortex]

It's a pve game, quit getting your panties in a bunch regarding a few user names

[vernal trench]

I dont

[wild vortex]

We're allowed to joke about idiots dying 3 times a match

[vernal trench]

well unless its that guy that died like 11 times

[wild vortex]

Unless discord rules state otherwise

[fiery raft]

i do think its fair to view this from both sides tbh

people shit talk, plus yeah to each their own

[wild vortex]

I do not care about holier than thou dickriders lol

[tame lodge]

Well rule 7 says no to name and shame

[fiery raft]

no need to be hostile man, im not trying to be holier than thou

[tame lodge]

🤷

[fiery raft]

i jsut think that arguing about this is kinda weird because everyone is different

[vernal trench]

Aint my fault the havoc 20 is queuing a 40 and getting relt

Relt

Rekt

[fiery raft]

😔 relt

[vernal trench]

@latent parcel i see u

[fiery raft]

@wild vortex since you're using rashad, any other melees u recommend?

[latent parcel]

i shoulda played with the godgryns yesterday....

[vernal trench]

Stompty dompty my bestie dummy

[fiery raft]

idk if i like rashad as much

[vernal trench]

Yea but ur fatass was eating

[wild vortex]

Oh is it i have never seen that enforced but I'll still be mindful of it now

[vernal trench]

i woulda jojned if ppaa wasnt there and we werent waitin for u

[latent parcel]

[wild vortex]

I am a Rashad fanboy

[fiery raft]

i get it, its definitely good

[wild vortex]

I only use Rashad or DS4 on Vet

[latent parcel]

im pickaxe for life

oh wait this is vet chat

[vernal trench]

Im naming u nom nom

[latent parcel]

[fiery raft]

i think giving vet a small pickaxe would be great addition

[vernal trench]

Hi nom nom

[fiery raft]

dude already has an axe and a shovel

[vernal trench]

Vet needs a diamond pickace

Pickaxe

[fiery raft]

power pickaxe

better powersword

[latent parcel]

ogryn rework first sorry buds

[vernal trench]

Nerf ogryn

[latent parcel]

ogryn to weak

nah

[fiery raft]

delete ogryn fromg am

[vernal trench]

Ye

Ye

[latent parcel]

never

[vernal trench]

This

Delete ogryn

Just to bully stompt

[latent parcel]

ogryn to buff and strong for u little men

[vernal trench]

Iron mikes blue eyes

Too beautiful

[latent parcel]

how am i suppose to duo havoc 40 if my ogryn is gone

[vernal trench]

[latent parcel]

[vernal trench]

Play scriers gaze psyker

[tame lodge]

Could play into trenching tools
Sometimes you gotta trench through rocks

[latent parcel]

thats lame

[vernal trench]

@hobo

Fuck which one is it

[latent parcel]

dont tag him LOL

[vernal trench]

Theres like 10 of them

I cant find him

[latent parcel]

hahaha

[vernal trench]

[latent parcel]

theres a hobosexual

thats funny

[vernal trench]

Stompty dompty on his laptop

[vernal trench]

Hes me

[latent parcel]

still carried ur vet on gloriana

on my laptop

[fiery raft]

give the man a trench shotgun

and a mattock

[vernal trench]

Hell yea

[fiery raft]

a punch dagger perchance

[vernal trench]

Bro i started wandering off at the end cuz i just forgot what was going on it was so funny

I was like sleepy joe wandering off in the white house

[latent parcel]

😴

[vernal trench]

Sleepy joegryn goes in bro

[strong knoll]

Best melee for Vet please

[fiery raft]

probably ds4

or combatknife 6

[vernal trench]

Fists

[fiery raft]

who made this?

[tame lodge]

Path

[vernal trench]

Of exile 3

[frank ledge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/910555873615675422/1344232898861203486/image0.jpg?ex=67c029f1&is=67bed871&hm=26d46a74f0d85d001f259491d2fb2bb2b03abf0c5dab301d8f96aa9408d5e228&
Boss new sight

[tame lodge]

It'll probably suck to rearrange when big updates hit

[frank ledge]

Still better than helbore!

[tame lodge]

But at least FS is slow at updating

Helbores are top 10 [Good]

Helbore still winning

🗣️

[fiery raft]

i dont think i ever saw

thanks though

[tame lodge]

It's on his steam guide iirc

[fiery raft]

how'd you get ahold of it then?

[tame lodge]

Someone else had the link
I just downloaded the screenshot

That or he posted it himself and I downloaded

I will not remember rn

[wild vortex]

Sleepy Joegryn is a peak name

[vernal trench]

Hell yea

[heavy rover]

[trail vector]

When did they buff the left side of vet tree? ES and Marksman Focus look way more workable than I remember

[tame lodge]

UnL iirc

They baked Relentless in the Exec Stance

And also made so swapping doesn't drop it

[trail vector]

Yeah, and you can now move on Marksman Focus doing the exact same thing you do to get the stacks. I remember there being weird movement tech you had to do

[tame lodge]

Oh the MF one was a long time ago

At first it was 1 second from weakspot hits, 3 seconds from weakspot kills

They buffed to 3 and 6

[trail vector]

6 seconds is basically infinite, surprised it got that much.

[tame lodge]

Went from sentry vet to hit and run vet

[wild vortex]

praise be we get announcement tomorrow

my heart cries for Ogryn rework

[elder fiber]

I hope they nerf glugger more

[hollow ibex]

more nerfs

[wild vortex]

they actually buffed it last time

but I will forgive the rage because I've also run into a lot of shitgryn luggers lately

[wild vortex]

[sleek garden]

"best melee weapon?" Comment

https://tenor.com/view/angry-turkish-man-vs-america-gif-18746703

[tropic notch]

For vet? Rashad mk3 combat axe

It is the most well rounded weapon for vet I believe

[crude fiber]

Was trying to thing of a shitty melee weapon for vet to reply as a joke but they're all pretty good outside of havoc lol

[surreal gust]

Devil’s MK1

[gaunt anchor]

Combat Axe <3

[tame lodge]

If we ignore that Gunlugger is one of the highest DPS in the game

Gunluggers tree is kinda undercooked

"Here's two 5% ranged damage nodes at the last section of the tree"

Oh and 5% reload speed

And more suppression

Oh and 8% CRIT chance that you have to keep up by killing

[calm shard]

granted them being the highest DPS in the game hinges entirely on their active

[tame lodge]

When zealots can get 25% by just standing around

[calm shard]

PBB is like 99% of gunluggers damage

and nothing else over there matters really

[tame lodge]

Shit's undercooked

[gaunt anchor]

Ogryn kinda seems partially undercooked in general

[calm shard]

zealot is too

Ogryn and Zealot are in the same boat skill tree wise

Zealots one good build is just stronger

[dry cloak]

ogryn has 2.5 builds zealot has 1.5

[wild vortex]

Zealot has more decent weapons though

big man needs more toys

[chrome badger]

Real :c

[gaunt anchor]

Yeah ogryns need their current guns improved mostly and more ones

[wild vortex]

melee weapons need even more help

literally everything outside of picks and shield are powercrept to hell and back

for ranged weapons at least we have 3 heavy stubbers, 1 (2?) twink stubbers, and kicky

[terse idol]

Which ain't easy