veteran-class

[hollow ibex]

it's good for your gameplay, and good for the team

[woeful lantern]

dont be mean .. i did well

[little path]

Did you do it with friends?

[woeful lantern]

no but some ugly big guy carried us 3 🙂

[little path]

if you got carried that's not great

but I mean hey

[woeful lantern]

well i cant really help it.. could stand my own but this guy just rushes though it like its nothing

[little path]

if some dude was willing to carry someone who didn't hit level 30 yet in a havoc 20 mission

that's cool

just surprised anyone would even accept a player who didn't hit lvl30 yet in a higher havoc mission

[woeful lantern]

meanwhile i was playing with my flashlight cuz i couldnt see shit

[grand perch]

https://youtu.be/LF7nbK2mI9g

i uploaded this to show marksmans focus gameplay with helbore in havoc 40. youll notice theres still lots of meleeing even though this is the snipiest of sniper builds basically

[little path]

Fucking hate tusing the lucius guns

[grand perch]

thats okay we all have flaws

[little path]

oh, a flamer

lemme just assemble my ikea desk

What's the meta knife?

[severe gale]

on vet, uncanny strike mercy killer

take serrated blade talent

[little path]

mark I meant

3 or 4

[severe gale]

theres 3 and 6

uhhm

idk honestly

6 has technically better horde clear

but its not really enough to be like

a deciding factor

mk3 is easier to use and just loop heavies for single target

[little path]

what's the "technically" better one?

[severe gale]

no idea

i dont use knife

[little path]

I mean yeah

no reason to

duelling swords still exist

[severe gale]

i also dont use duelling swords

[hollow ibex]

6 is just better, but talent point hungry

[faint beacon]

6 seeing you get 3 synergies with it again though its hungry talent wise though you could just do Uncanny + FT/Lacerate in place of it if you wish to avoid doing Serrated Talent

[wild vortex]

please stop being a burden to your team and learn to use the primary weapon aka melee.

[hollow ibex]

i'm not even being mean lol. just giving you objective feedback. you can routinely get insane damage results by using melee. and the best part is that using melee costs you nothing.

whereas using your gun all game wastes a crap ton of ammo that others might've been able to make good use of.

basically, don't be this guy

[lethal geode]

got on overwatch, now trying to go for marked for death and long bomb

[thorn lark]

I am glad you said that.

You don't need determination with exec stance

That point could go into demo stockpile

[normal sparrow]

Basically stay in sedition
Also funny that one keystone literally make you swap into both weapon

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

And the other applies to both melee and ranged. It's like...

[muted heron]

Is it just me or is this class feeling more challenging to lvl than the others?

[uncut pebble]

You don't?

[austere mica]

Speed

Yes I will ping a 2 hour old message with 1 word

[pseudo fiber]

Veteran leveling can be a little rough

[austere mica]

You can make it easier by making a 500 Rashad at level 1 and sleeping through it

[gaunt anchor]

they should givee veteran a sniper rifle, cause hellbore sights hurts me

[pseudo fiber]

You mean put a sight on the helbore because I'm not sure when I'd ever want a sniper rifle in this game

[gaunt anchor]

I wanna railgun things like the sniper who shots his 'alies'

love it when an add "get down mister president!'s me from a sniper

[grand perch]

Exec stance gives immunity to suppression anyway, while it's active

I have 20 or so builds and none run determined, so I'm a bit of an extremist anyway, but usually either the weapon has inbuilt immunity/resistance to suppression, other abilities to play around being suppressed (like exec), or doesn't care about precisely hitting stuff anyway

Always nice to save that point when precision strikes is the much better pick at that spot on the tree

[gaunt anchor]

man the long shot penance is making me upset

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/jontron-upset-jons-getting-upset-gif-16627366

[thorn lark]

It's already baked in

[dense lance]

Mfw finding a random youtube comments with 0 likes, 0 activity, 0 anything and thinking “thats a good point”

Where in history itself was where a youtube comment had a good opinion

Or a good arguement in that case

[thorn lark]

Enjoy https://youtu.be/tt1mCabGNBo?si=awu88BC26MDuL_Tl

[fiery raft]

throw grenade straight up with bolt pistol that has lethal prox on it

worked for me

remember u dont gotta kill you just gotta hit them

[fiery raft]

which ones?

[stoic thorn]

hard carried these fucking idiots

all 3 vets used plasma

[vernal trench]

Meta vets!!

[atomic void]

me when the new players dont do 1000k dmg in a game (gone wrong)

[latent parcel]

bro there new they can use what they want

lol

[vernal trench]

What is bro doing with level 23s

[latent parcel]

chonky used kraks when he started

guys a noob

[vernal trench]

hell yea

[vernal trench]

Why u mean bro

Whats wrong with kraks

S tier stuff

[latent parcel]

oh true

sorry

[vernal trench]

Exactly

Good

Be sorry

[latent parcel]

tanner told me different. my lord and savior

[vernal trench]

Fuck ur right

Tanner is right

Kraks suck

Smoke too

And taunt

[latent parcel]

[vernal trench]

And infiltrate

All hail tanner lindberg

[latent parcel]

ill tell apollo u said taunt sucks

[atomic void]

uhm askwally kraks are bad ignore that they can wipe a crusher pack that has everyone cornered in a room

[latent parcel]

[vernal trench]

Hey tanner said it

Im just following what my lord said

[latent parcel]

[vernal trench]

Yea it can kill maybe one, sometimes two on havoc 40

[tame lodge]

Should've used the Twin linked peashooters

[vernal trench]

Dont worry u still got the 18 more behind him to deal with

[tame lodge]

Kek

[atomic void]

havoc 40 is a meme

[latent parcel]

yeah but who plays havoc

[vernal trench]

true

I play auric maelstroms dude

havoc is for LOSERS

[latent parcel]

its a meme

for memers

[vernal trench]

Hell yea

[latent parcel]

to easy for my liking

[vernal trench]

True

[vernal trench]

Go back to heresy

Ull find some real challenge there

[latent parcel]

[vernal trench]

Real challenged players i mean

[stoic thorn]

The level 33 was using kraks like frags

[vernal trench]

Hell yea

Throw them into hordes!

[latent parcel]

hes new let him play how he wants lol

[vernal trench]

Stompt being nice for once to noobies

[latent parcel]

what difficulty was that anyway

[vernal trench]

What if i throw smokes into crushers

Bet theyll die from suffocation

Imma try that

[latent parcel]

ya

mister e told me thats an s tier strat

[vernal trench]

Dude mister e??

The best book zealot no way

[latent parcel]

hes an expert on crushers i hear

[vernal trench]

Hell yea

He gets crushed all the time dude

Crusher expert

[latent parcel]

[tame lodge]

Make sure it's a direct impact 🗣️

[stoic thorn]

How I deadass watch as the horde fucking kills me as I go snipe elites (the Zealot is speed running, the Psyker is waaay behind and Big Man has my back)

[vernal trench]

Maybe itll instant kill them if i throw hard enough

[unreal nova]

Wanna play Heresy with me later?

[vernal trench]

Karien looking for a carryin again

[vernal trench]

Lemme guess

Heresy

[frail escarp]

deal with it yourself

[trim badger]

Asking a vet player to handle the horde? Heresy

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-silverhand-darktide-warhammer-palm-gif-11353758965827155043

[sullen jackal]

Kill three enemies with a DS, one shot a horde with a single double barreled shotty blast. Kill with DS again. repeat

quite fun build

[grand perch]

It's too late for these blokes

[vernal trench]

Ds

[sullen jackal]

it probably works with a knife too :p

[frail escarp]

frankly if you dont get into the mindset that the other 3 people in the game are agro sticks while you solo the entire game you're not playing the game right

[grand perch]

However that way toxicity lies

[trim badger]

I love weapons specialist because of this

[thorn lark]

That's because you didn't try kickback sniping

[vernal trench]

I love my knife

Struggle to kill 5 moebians

[sullen jackal]

skill issue, aim at their head

[vernal trench]

No and they are just tanky

i do bodyhits for bleed

[sullen jackal]

...uh

[vernal trench]

Its quicker clearing enemies when i stack bleed with how high their hitmass is

[sullen jackal]

i mean ok I guess you can do that with a weapon that literally has like quadruple damage with headshots and crits

[vernal trench]

Yea if u have a crit build for melee

and its practically single target with moebians because of their hitmass

I dont have a melee crit build

[unreal nova]

What else?

[frail escarp]

the actual hitbox on the knife isnt great since it barely feels like it actually hits beyond 3 targets

[vernal trench]

[frail escarp]

not because of cleave

[vernal trench]

Itll be more fun carrying u if u dont use book

book is too op and boring im so tired of it

[frail escarp]

unless you really want to be inside the horde

[thorn lark]

🤰

[trim badger]

That's gold toughness in general tho

(I love abusing both sources of that but I wouldn't complain if it got nerfed lol)

[tame lodge]

Axshually

You got 6.5 cleave on PA or H1 H2 on mk6

What's a 4.7 mass 21st going to do against that? Stop you?

[vernal trench]

Yea it sucks

It actually annoys me at this point

[trim badger]

Join havoc 40

VoC with Tactical Awareness

Spam shout every 8s

[frail escarp]

things happen

[trim badger]

This is braindead LOL

[vernal trench]

Yea i hate it

Why i never run shout

[trim badger]

Sadly my vet is just level 35~ so

[vernal trench]

If ur new its fine

But seeing every single vet run the meta build is so tiring

[trim badger]

I'm not exactly new, I already win havocs 40 with vet even tho it's barely level 35

[vernal trench]

And every zealot running book

[drifting verge]

Always run shout

Not because of meta

But because scream funny

[trim badger]

I'm just trying to get the good rolls

On the other weapons

[vernal trench]

Well its not hard but ur still new to vet in general

[trim badger]

On the meanwhile, meta abusing it is

[drifting verge]

Hit em with the kruber classic

OOOI

[vernal trench]

I have too much materials to spend whenever i need new shit i just max it out and roll it

[cloud thunder]

NGL, a friend of mine was a returning player and tried darktide again about a week ago. He couldn’t play shout but preferred stealth because he needed to crutch on it.

[vernal trench]

Yea cuz he sucks

[cloud thunder]

Like shout made him mad, so he swapped back to his OG stealth build

[vernal trench]

Shout is so much easier its actually dumb

[cloud thunder]

But if he sucks and prefer stealth, isn’t stealth more of a crutch then?

[vernal trench]

Cuz hes using it wrong

Ofc its a crutch

[cloud thunder]

Mmkay

[vernal trench]

People hate on it cuz no one knows how to play it

They use it wrong and it becomes a crutch

[cloud thunder]

🤔

[vernal trench]

U can play any build in this game if ur a good player

Be open minded to what people play

[cloud thunder]

I’m questioning if you actually understood what I said

[vernal trench]

Yea i understand and i replied

[cloud thunder]

What did I say

[vernal trench]

Scroll up

[cloud thunder]

No

You explain to me what I said

[frail escarp]

based

[vernal trench]

Why

[cloud thunder]

Because your replies makes zero sense to what I actually said

So

[vernal trench]

Well its a you problem

[cloud thunder]

Uh huh

You contradicted yourself back to back

Kinda funny

[vernal trench]

Well then u understood what i typed wrong

If stealth is bad u wont be able to run it in a duo

[cloud thunder]

This makes zero sense 💀

[vernal trench]

Maybe to u

But ur also close minded enough u hate on an ability because u cant comprehend what it does

[cloud thunder]

“People hate on it” but I said he prefers stealth. So that makes no sense

Then you’re talking about being open minded when I’m the one saying my friend prefers stealth and uses it as a crutch because he gets rekt on shout so

Reading comprehension isn’t your strongest suit, huh?

[vernal trench]

If u say so

[cloud thunder]

Uh huh

[vernal trench]

i said people not ur friend

Learn to read

[cloud thunder]

Glad you realized and backpedaling now

[vernal trench]

Sure

[trim badger]

I'll never understand why would anyone run stealth on vet tho

[vernal trench]

Variety and personal preference

U can run any build all it is is a different ability

[trim badger]

At that point play Zealot with stealth

[vernal trench]

In many things stealth does better than shout or exec stance

[vernal trench]

They are very different

Zealot stealth is very aggressive on the team

U can stay invis majority of the game as long as there are enemies

Not on infiltrate

[trim badger]

I think this proves my point doesn't it

"they're different you see, Vet's worse"

[uncut pebble]

Vet has a longer stealth duration, double charges, and the best cdr in the game but we're not gonna touch on that, apparently.

[vernal trench]

Idk what ur point is

Vet has the best cdr sure

[uncut pebble]

A flat 6 seconds for every specialist you kill.

Kill 5 specialists, boom, ability is back.

[vernal trench]

On paper yea

[uncut pebble]

Which, on higher difficulties, where specialists come in waves, its not that hard to pick off 5 specialists.

Or at the very least, 3 or 4.

[vernal trench]

6 seconds flat except u cant consistently find 5 specialist right there for u to kill instantly

on zealot u can get a crit or two and a backstab kill

Ur ability is on near instant cooldown in some cases

[uncut pebble]

You don't know how backstab cdr actually works, do you?

[vernal trench]

Yea i do

[uncut pebble]

20% of your current cooldown, so if you have 10s, it shaves off 2 on a backstab.

[vernal trench]

Yea

thats why u want backstab at the start of ur cooldown if u can especially with shroud

[uncut pebble]

IOD is also counterintuitive to stealth, so I'm not sure where you're getting that from.

[vernal trench]

Backstab crit then ur shroud is back within 5 seconds max

i mean its pretty clear ur speaking from on paper analysis not actual practice

[uncut pebble]

You would think that.

[vernal trench]

Anyone who has played shroud or infiltrate properly would know how insane shroud cooldown is or cooldown on zealot in general

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, no, you don't know what you're talking about. Good day.

[vernal trench]

Says the one constantly complaining about losing cuz bad teamates

[uncut pebble]

You don't need to worry, you'll just corpse drag your team because you can't function without stealth. :)

[pseudo fiber]

They should probably adjust tactical awareness to a percentage based reduction like every other cdr in the game (I believe)

[uncut pebble]

It shouldn't be a copy of psykinetics aura, but just for vet, but I do agree that it should be nerfed.

Maybe give it the iod treatment and be like 50% faster cooldown speed on specialist kill for a duration of 3 seconds.

[vernal trench]

Sounds about right when i can duo with an ogryn

[uncut pebble]

Who asked?

I dont see em.

[vernal trench]

Tactical awareness is fine as it is but vet would be nice with cdr based on elite kills if anything

[uncut pebble]

No it isn't lmao.

Tactical awareness needs nerfed.

[vernal trench]

If u say so bucko

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, I do, and everybody else with a brain agrees that it's overtuned as hell.

[trim badger]

But my hyper active vet playstyle D:

[uncut pebble]

So is iod.

Iod should be nerfed to 100% bonus speed.

[vernal trench]

I dont think any of u have played any games when ur whole team is dead and theres no psyker to boost ur cdr

Tactical awareness is not as op as u think

[uncut pebble]

Yes it absolutely is lmao.

[vernal trench]

Especially when u dont have time to kill and have to kite bosses and hordes

[uncut pebble]

If you don't see the value in it, then play without it.

[vernal trench]

Then stop complaining every day about losing to bad teamates

[uncut pebble]

Surely you can do that, perched atop your high horse.

[vernal trench]

just carry since u can constantly spam shout

[void dragon]

my very first gun with this overperforming stat spread

[uncut pebble]

I dont main vet because this class is fuckin boring bro.

There's like, two whole builds that are actually fun, and they get stale, fast.

[cloud thunder]

Bro contradicting himself again

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, he's dumb, no surprise there.

[vernal trench]

Why yall complaining about losing with bad teamates all the time then

[uncut pebble]

Holier than thou attitude and too stupid to comprehend his own circular logic.

[vernal trench]

sure

[cloud thunder]

Which one is it?

[uncut pebble]

Clearly, he doesn't know.

[pseudo fiber]

Didn't we have this argument then other day

[uncut pebble]

I have no idea, I just know just about every time I drop in here and this guy is talking, it's some ignorant shit that makes no sense 95% of the time.

[vernal trench]

My guy doesnt understand when someone is saying if someone can do something vs reality

[vernal trench]

Everytime in drop in here its u complaining about ur teamates and how ur losing cuz of them

[uncut pebble]

I'll hear nothing out of you, I know for a fact you are one of those aggro dumping mongrels that infests auric lobbies.

[cloud thunder]

I mean you never did stream carrying havoc 40 with randoms as stealth vet that you claim you can do but said you’re sick of playing with pugs because they’re bad. Contradictions again.

[uncut pebble]

Actively griefing your team and being like "oh lol how did you die?"

(these are the types of players I get queued with btw)

[vernal trench]

Yea i got tired of it for like a day or two

Why even stream

[cloud thunder]

To back up your claims

[vernal trench]

Well play in a squad later and ull see it first hand

better than streaming

[cloud thunder]

If I ever said I can do something and someone doubted me, I would stream

Nah

Because I’ll help because I’m good

I want a full rando

[uncut pebble]

Inb4 he dumps aggro every time anything remotely dangerous happens.

[vernal trench]

Well then well see how good u are

[cloud thunder]

I do auric duos

What do you think?

[vernal trench]

auric

[cloud thunder]

Go do a full rando squad h40 as stealth

[vernal trench]

Yea i do that whenever my friends are off

I party finder it

[cloud thunder]

Stream it

[radiant chasm]

Deja vu

[cloud thunder]

Shouldn’t be an issue then

[vernal trench]

Na cuz id rather play with u instead

[cloud thunder]

Nah I ain’t carrying you

[vernal trench]

Unless ur dipping cuz u only play aurics

[uncut pebble]

He obv isn't gonna stream anything because he's bullshitting.

[cloud thunder]

Stream it

[atomic void]

imma need more popcorn for this

[radiant chasm]

Why the ego players always wanna play in party lol

[uncut pebble]

He's just gonna ego you back and forth until you give up pestering him.

[tropic notch]

I hate stealth

[cloud thunder]

I’m aware. He’s dumb as hell

[vernal trench]

Sounds like ur the one with an ego if ur claiming u will carry me but wont do it

[cloud thunder]

I said it’s a pointless thing because I’ll contribute to the carrying randoms

[uncut pebble]

Hes asking you to back up your claims of being capable of carrying true random h40 lobbies with stealth vet.

[vernal trench]

yea and i hate golden toughness its personal preference

[cloud thunder]

I want you to queue up in actual full rando squad

[radiant chasm]

U go “auric maels lol” dude we get it you beat an h40

[loud belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/monday-mpreg-mpreg-monday-omori-mari-gif-6568340145174634279

[uncut pebble]

Bro does NOT know how to read.

[radiant chasm]

We all in that club

[uncut pebble]

This one, commissar.

[vernal trench]

Yea i do that sometimes

[cloud thunder]

So shouldn’t be an issue to stream a run then.

[vernal trench]

Sure if im even doing that later

[broken spade]

🍿

[cloud thunder]

Sounds good

[tropic notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749799445478244393/1265479387571159182/crackbert.gif

[atomic void]

im gonna be that guy and say pp meassuring contest in a pve game is the funniest shit ever

[vernal trench]

But just letting u know that prolly wont happen today

[cloud thunder]

Uh huh

[tropic notch]

He’s scared

[vernal trench]

Na cuz i already have people planned to play with today

[tropic notch]

I’m scared

[radiant chasm]

What’s ur level huh, what’s your h40 clear stat huh

[vernal trench]

i dont have infinite time to do partied games and then pubs

[radiant chasm]

Come on bro if you don’t have more hours than me you are a casual

[atomic void]

post scoreboard NOW

i can see why gigantic whale didnt include a scoreboard tbh

[radiant chasm]

I was born in h40 you mentioned auric maels you are so bad lol

[loud belfry]

someone should really make a plug-in for powerDI that just sorta analyzes everything and puts all the main stats, aggregated between various ranges, all on a single page

[uncut pebble]

Scoreboard would be fine being part of the game.

[calm shard]

because they're afraid duh

[loud belfry]

but for some reason we got ten quadrillion mods, half of them almost cheating (exaggeration), but no one has put in the effort to make an analysis tool for powerDI even though that's its purpose in life

[radiant chasm]

Play with me so i can run a completely selfish damage padding build

[hollow ibex]

man powerdi is so janky

[atomic void]

yeah it would be nice and i use the mod but the fanbase has some........special individuals to put it nicely

[vernal trench]

What does powerdi actually do

[uncut pebble]

This guy is just an egregious turd that advocates for stealth even though it's the worst of vets abilities and 99% of people that use it grief their team with it.

[vernal trench]

Its just sad when you dont understand how an ability works because of your close mindedness so you hate on it

[hollow ibex]

it's like scoreboard mod on steroids

has information like how often things proc

[vernal trench]

Ive seen it but why even have it when u got scoreboard

[hollow ibex]

but it doesn't even work for me much of the time

[vernal trench]

Ah

[loud belfry]

scoreboard's main limit is how it's basically just a snapshot of a bunch of text. it has a static formatting. but powerdi is more like a system that lets you look through the data

[vernal trench]

Mister e must have so mnay until death procs

[vernal trench]

Isnt that overkill

[calm shard]

it also looks prettier

[atomic void]

ok this powerdi stuff looks intresting ill try it out when i stop being addicted to majima game and boot up darktide

[loud belfry]

idk, it could be overkill. it supposedly has custom views you can make so you could maybe just make it show you what you want to see. but i cant get that to work so idk

[uncut pebble]

"Erm you're close minded" brother it's simple numbers, infiltrate vets deal less damage than exe stance or shout vets and, if the team is worth a damn, never get to shine because their teammates don't die.

[loud belfry]

i want the powerDI analysis tool to finally determine our worth as humans

[radiant chasm]

i said that it would be the most popular option if (big if) voc is gutted

[vernal trench]

Infiltrate does less damage than exec stance for sure

Shout dpeends on build

[radiant chasm]

then again, i'm not the average vet

[vernal trench]

But u can do things shout cant do or will have a worse time doing

[uncut pebble]

God, I do not want more infiltrate griefers in my lobbies...

[radiant chasm]

i'm well above average despite maining zealot for some reason. 10-18 seconds of basically being off the aggro chart

[vernal trench]

Damn thats a lotta info

[orchid hemlock]

Average vet blowing thru their ammo into 3 poxwalkers:

[cloud thunder]

Again, goes back to your circular logic, wouldn’t that be a crutch then? Thought you said shout was stupid broken?

[radiant chasm]

with the sheer amount of cdr you get you can play nearly perma stealthed

[calm shard]

still a very cool mod

[vernal trench]

How is doing objectives a crutch lmao

[radiant chasm]

But i'll be using stealth to dive shooter lines and disrupt enemies

[vernal trench]

Ur making literally no sense

[uncut pebble]

Hes making perfect sense, you're just too dense to see it.

[tropic notch]

This but with a smoke or voc

[uncut pebble]

shout is a crutch
infiltrate lets you do things shout can't do
By this logic, infiltrate is a crutch.

[cloud thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-eyes-steve-buscemi-big-eyes-gif-11491116276663604660

[uncut pebble]

Pretty simple.

[radiant chasm]

i use frags

[tropic notch]

Ok real

[crisp oak]

Infiltrate lets you roll 2 frags before breaking stealth

[vernal trench]

U can roll all 4

[radiant chasm]

and voc, while being completely OP and busted, doesn't have that range I like about infiltrate lol

[vernal trench]

Actually if i got infinite grenades u can be dropping them until ur infiltrate runs out

[radiant chasm]

like, I can pop stealth, suppress all the melee enemies, run into the ranged enemies, pop out of stealth, suppress them all, AND i get ignored for 10 seconds after

[crisp oak]

My issue is I use voc as part of my melee rotation

[vernal trench]

Yea and thats why i like using infiltrate

[crisp oak]

Mainly for the stagger

[vernal trench]

Yea and golden toughness

[radiant chasm]

Infiltrate will def be the meta after voc (if voc ever gets nerfed) except you'll see even more noob vets fuck it up

[vernal trench]

Theres a reason why people use shout and book because they need golden toighness

[vernal trench]

To this day ive seen no one run infiltrate how its supposed to

[crisp oak]

You mean to engage far away patrols?

[vernal trench]

Doubt infiltrate will become meta because its hard to use well and when u use it wrong its very detrimental to everyone

[vernal trench]

I mean thats basics

[calm shard]

how would they notice htat though

[vernal trench]

Wdym

[calm shard]

all they would notice is haha I press ability, and get my toughness back and don't get hit

[uncut pebble]

Ease of use =/= need golden toughness.

[crisp oak]

I mean you basically use it for that and objectives

[uncut pebble]

I press shout
I win

vs

I infiltrate
I do 400 bouts of mental gymnastics to justify using infiltrate
I might win

Infiltrate does not remove problems the way shout does.

Very easy to see why it's chosen over infiltrate, golden toughness be damned.

[cloud thunder]

It removes problems for the individual

[uncut pebble]

I mean, both abilities will save the vet in question, but the better question is, will those enemies that forced them to pop their ability wind up dying or not?

[calm shard]

I dunno depends on the player really

[uncut pebble]

If shout, good possibility those enemies die. If infiltrate, even good-er possibility that they don't.

[cloud thunder]

Depends on player and build tbh

[calm shard]

it's not like shout does damage

[loud belfry]

there's more to life than just damage and killing

[trim badger]

We clearly need versus in darktide

[vernal trench]

Its pretty stupid arguing which one is better

[calm shard]

your argument here kinda hinges on the infiltrate player being worse than the shout player

[trim badger]

It's defenitely not gonna go bad like VT2 versus where Fatshark refused to balance the heroes ahahaha...

[vernal trench]

Generally for sure

[uncut pebble]

Throwing everything to the floor to freely wail on it or to throw some grenades is pretty damn valuable.

[calm shard]

infiltrate could throw more grenades, and it has an AoE stagger when it ends too

[vernal trench]

Cuz infiltrate is fucking ur team if ur using it wrong

[calm shard]

even if it's a worse one

[cloud thunder]

My point I’m trying to make which is opposite of frog’s, is that both stealth and shout are a crutch.

In their own ways

[vernal trench]

Yea

They both are if u crutch on their abilities

[cloud thunder]

So this whole “golden toughness” thing makes me laugh.

They’re both crutches

Period

[vernal trench]

The problem is a lot of people cant actually play without golden toughness

Thats why i say golden toughness crutch

[loud belfry]

i feel like our ults are basically definitionally crutches

[cloud thunder]

Yup

[loud belfry]

if you rely on them, at least. which is the only time a thing can even be a crutch

[vernal trench]

I mean yea depends on ur definition

[trim badger]

I mean to be fair all ults are crutches then

Why would you need a special button when you could be good and not need it?

[loud belfry]

maybe everything in life is a crutch in some way

we all rely on water. kinda cringe

[cloud thunder]

Thanks for recycling what I said

[atomic void]

darktide pvp but everyone is running shout and they're knocking each other down 🔥

[trim badger]

Oh I see

[cloud thunder]

That’s literally my point

This whole ego “I don’t need golden toughness” or “stealth too easy” argument is dumb to me

[trim badger]

In VT2 Pvp it's people running warrior priest and engi with trollhammer ahahaha... Pain

[hollow ibex]

you know what's not a crutch?

revive shout

[radiant chasm]

it's most abilities being overtuned+ overabundance of cdr= it's hard to NOT be crutching in DT

[hollow ibex]

shit's actually so painful to play

[orchid hemlock]

It's a crutch for PUBS

[uncut pebble]

Revive shout vets on their way to pick me up in the flamer fire and not kill the flamer: (I will die as soon as I get up)

[atomic void]

i never played vm2
is warrior priest basically zealot?

[radiant chasm]

why does stealth take you off the enemies vision for 18 seconds, why is voc everything it does

[uncut pebble]

Warrior priest is like if you were immune to grimoires and you could make someone invulnerable for a few seconds as your ult.

Those are like the main things of the career.

Zealout, one of Saltzpyre's other careers, is zealout.

Like the whole chastise and whatnot.

[orchid hemlock]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[cloud thunder]

Ngl I had a random the other day. I went to push two pox bursters and he shot both on me, then I downed, then ressed me in Tox flamer and regular flamer aoe. And I was basically like

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-s4-homelander-cough-disgust-gif-15540398707739933423

Then he quit the game after that

[uncut pebble]

People that pop bursters on me make the muscles in my neck flex in anger.

Really, really grinds my gears.

And its always fuckin trauma staff psykers, too.

[cloud thunder]

It was a new ogryn

[normal bay]

Even better when they do it right next to a railing with a huge drop

[trim badger]

In short imagine L4D2 versus, but people run heroes/builds so that they can't ever die

[hollow ibex]

had that happen to me. after i pinged the burster. when i called him out for it, he got his buddies to vote kick me lol.

[vernal trench]

Its even better when ur in chasm logistratrum doing the interrogation and someone pushes a burster onto u

[hollow ibex]

like bro doesn't know rule #1 of playing trauma

[atomic void]

picking this fella if i ever pick this game up then
chastise is love chastise is life

[uncut pebble]

I remember somebody trying to tell me that they weren't barreling people, then I casually told the team he had like 600 friendly fire damage, then I had to explain that mods exist to him...

[atomic void]

sounds like a fun mess

[radiant chasm]

ogryn mains on their way to pick me up in fire and gas so they go down and i immediately die

[uncut pebble]

His response? "It's just aurics, why does it matter?"

[radiant chasm]

it's just auric maels, it's just hav39 smh

[orchid hemlock]

"dude who cares, this is a Havoc 40"

[uncut pebble]

Like brother why the fuck are you barreling people on purpose?

[hollow ibex]

good thing the report button is a thing now, if it even does anything

[atomic void]

it's just hard mode bro

[hollow ibex]

"h40? it's just a game bro"

[radiant chasm]

fatshark doesn't have the team size to be mass filtering through reports, it's mainly there for the worst offenders

[hollow ibex]

yeah i have my doubts that it really does anything

[radiant chasm]

slurs, screaming on mic, hardcore level griefing

hacks, inappropriate names

[radiant chasm]

it actually does work for the, bottom of the barrel basically

[uncut pebble]

I've had people get booted mid lobby right after I reported them for quell cancel macros, so at least fatshark is doing something.

[orchid hemlock]

Was in a Havoc 20 and everyone was scared to move 2 inches

Lit hardest Havoc I ever played because nobody would move

[cloud thunder]

Had one where I got knocked off by someone shooting a burster on me. But it didn’t kill me. It map broke me. I was under the map, walking around. And the team wiped. Then guy was like “you coward” 💀

I couldn’t get back up

[radiant chasm]

fatshark has suspended, forced name changes, and even handed out bans

[atomic void]

uhm just dont be near the burster bro

the burster literally did an olympic tier jump throw a mixed horde while not having a sound cue

[uncut pebble]

Consignment yard has a spot where you can get thrown over a ledge and land on a pipe oob, landed there once when playing with friends.

[cloud thunder]

It was on dark communion, first section

[vernal trench]

I know a guy that got banned for having autism in his name

Temp ban

[cloud thunder]

To the left before you go down the stairs

[vernal trench]

Saw an ogryn do that once

We were laughing so hard at him being down there

[cloud thunder]

Think I got a pic

[vernal trench]

Yea theres a big open area u can drop down to

balcony

[errant carbon]

bursters running out of doorways will, at times, make no sound and be immune to stagger/knockback because we literally can't implement any other method to make players stop camping spawn doors 🤷‍♂️

[atomic void]

i like the sound design in the game but silent bursters and trappers make me mald

literally can end your run

[vernal trench]

And dogs skipping animations

[atomic void]

dogs with high ping

[vernal trench]

All the disablers with high ping

[uncut pebble]

Don't forget bursters getting killed in doors because they don't walk out in time or them just randomly exploding inside the spawn room.

[vernal trench]

That only happens depending on where u stand

[uncut pebble]

No I mean I have literally watched bursters open the door, then explode in the door for no reason, with nobody nearby.

[hollow ibex]

this just makes me camp doorways harder

[uncut pebble]

Or they attempt to walk out the door, the door shuts, and it kills them.

[vernal trench]

Oh yea thats just fatshark being fatshark

them suicide bombing walls too

Funny af

[cloud thunder]

Other than randos shooting bursters on me, I don’t generally have issues with them. Spidey sense helps for sure

[crisp oak]

At least dogs are better than rat assasins....

I know they are coming and cant stop em sometimes

[vernal trench]

Yea and the mod that tells u whats on the map

Basically cheating

[cloud thunder]

Tbh I don’t look at that one. Too busy with what’s happening on the screen and all the spidey sense mobs

[cloud thunder]

Not in my case

[hollow ibex]

theoretically spidey senses tells you only what can be discerned from audio cues

but in practice, it's prob cheating

i don't care though, because fatshart audio is broken half the time anyway

[cloud thunder]

Well you already know why I use it

[hollow ibex]

if the audio cues don't even work, i'm just going to use spidey senses

[vernal trench]

Theoretically but thats stuff ur brain doesnt process unless ur paying attention sometimes

Spodey sense helps a ton if u have it

[cloud thunder]

I have it turned on for every single mob

And backstabs

[brittle marten]

@vernal trenchwhat is your build for stealth vet im curious

[vernal trench]

Which one

I have 3

[brittle marten]

the one you use to carry randoms in h40

[vernal trench]

I have one for high damage and another for duos and another for regular or whatever

[brittle marten]

basically for solo

[vernal trench]

I dont do true solos

Ill send the one i use for duos

[brittle marten]

nah just tell me what is your h40 build

[vernal trench]

Aight

If games lantern will even load

[coral bloom]

Which power sword is it that can block while powering?

[vernal trench]

Which recon is the fast one

I forgot

[brittle marten]

XII

[vernal trench]

Ty

[calm shard]

the zealot one

[pseudo fiber]

The mk6 you can block cancel activation

[grand perch]

join a random h40 lobby
combined playtime is probably enough to get a doctorate

dis gun be gud

[vernal trench]

Ive played with skarbor hes good i think

[grand perch]

his level is almost my birthyear

[fiery raft]

1855

[pearl granite]

sunder or BM on power sword? I couldn't decide

[hollow ibex]

Mk6

[hollow ibex]

BM unless you're in havoc

[pearl granite]

my friend are all quit, so no havoc for me 😢

[fiery raft]

what makes havoc so different that bm isnt as good?

[vernal trench]

Sunder helps with maulers and hordes as well

[fiery raft]

ok

ty

[pearl granite]

thanks mate 😄

[hollow ibex]

Everything is fatter in havoc

Higher hitmass

[fiery raft]

oh i didnt know that

thats good to know ty

[wild vortex]

Jesus

[balmy flume]

And some PuGs I run into feel amazed by my 1000 vet…

[serene bough]

Thats alotta hourss

[balmy flume]

Still need to grab True Survivor at some point…

[vernal trench]

I think i know a guy

@steep flower

[balmy flume]

Thanks for the recommend, but not right now sadly 😅

[vernal trench]

Yea i meant later

[fiery raft]

no he meant now

[tall torrent]

None

Mk6 power sword can block cancel from activation but it doesn’t put you in a blocking state unlike zealot’s relic blades

[vernal trench]

It honestly should to make powersword more usable

[tall torrent]

Nah

If anything it needs nerfs

[vernal trench]

3 hits per charge and the charge deactivates so quickly

Why nerf

[tall torrent]

Nerf damage

[vernal trench]

U nerf the damage and it just outright becomes a worse relic blade tho

[tall torrent]

Too strong even without talent investment

[tall torrent]

Nah

BM & sunder

[vernal trench]

Its got shit dodges too

[tall torrent]

Blessings are better

[vernal trench]

1 hit charge?

[tall torrent]

Give it 2 charges at base

Remove power cycler

Nerf damage

[vernal trench]

Hm

Power cycler would be nice if it werent 3 hits only

Or if it stayed active longer than whatveer it is rn

[tall torrent]

It needs a bunch of limitations to keep it in check

And there aren’t enough them rn

[vernal trench]

The constant charging is retty limiting to me imo

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s really just monotonous combo but it’s not a dealbreaker

[vernal trench]

U gotta keep charging it already and it doesnt have enough stagger like crusher to be really worth 1 charge 1 hit

Nto crusher

[tall torrent]

Why should it even have anywhere near crusher level stagger

[vernal trench]

The zealot thing that charges

[tall torrent]

[vernal trench]

Idk what it is

[vernal trench]

If its 1 hit 1 charge

Forced to be

[tall torrent]

?

[vernal trench]

Yea mb im wandering off to toher hypotheticals

[tall torrent]

At 2 base charges you’d have enough for every combo it has

[vernal trench]

How much cleave is considered infinite?

[broken spade]

infinite

[vernal trench]

Number wise

[narrow frost]

infinite

?

[tall torrent]

Yes it’s “infinite”

[vernal trench]

Oh didnt know that

Isnt powerswords cleave already really strong

How much would bm and sunder even help it

[tall torrent]

10.9 at base

Sunder x4 to 43.6

Sunder also cleaves through carapace

[vernal trench]

How much cleave is that in actual horde clearing

[atomic void]

what weapons have access to sunder this ability seems broken as shit

[tall torrent]

What are u cleaving through

[tall torrent]

Power sword

[vernal trench]

Imagine bunch of crushers

[atomic void]

sunder on relic when

[tall torrent]

12.5 mass each so you’ll hit 4

[vernal trench]

I mean with just sudner and pwoersword it can already clave through crushers no?

[tall torrent]

Nah

Relic blade too strong

[atomic void]

true but it would be funny

[tall torrent]

Pretty much every top weapon needs a nerf of some kind

Some more than others

[vernal trench]

Dueling sword for sure

[broken spade]

getting hit with a powered power sword should explode and kill you instantly

[atomic void]

how would you nerf the relic without turning it into wet noodle

[tall torrent]

Nerf cleave damage distribution

[atomic void]

not the worst nerf ig considering i legit got worse at handeling hordes with other weapons after running relic for so long
it turned horde clear into a joke lol

im biased tho and i dont want a massive power weapon to get nerfed to the ground

[tame lodge]

High minimum damage 🗣️

[tall torrent]

Mainly reduce cleave damage distribution on light attacks and empowered light attacks

Heavy attacks can stay same ish

[atomic void]

that would def shake up how people use mk10 cause u can legit just light spam everything in powered state

and its glorious

[faint beacon]

It’s funny cause it literally has a light heavy loop

But it’s so unnecessary when you can just light spam it’s depressing

[atomic void]

it makes dealing with mixed hordes a loooot safer tbh

[tall torrent]

Heavy sweep is only relevant for ragers

And not much else

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/no-the-office-michael-scott-scream-gif-16929305

Don't touch my baby

[atomic void]

on one hand its a bit ovetuned on the other hand its a big fkn power sword and it should feel like a big fkn powersword

[tame lodge]

Now that RB is out
Removing the cap on Eviscerator seems like a fair thing

[atomic void]

evis gets mogged so hard by relic blade its not even funny

[tame lodge]

"Mogged hard" and it's just the difference between psword 3 and 6

[atomic void]

its the truth and i like the evis a lot (both)
relic straight up does everything better

i still play evis chained weapons = FUN

[tame lodge]

I mean
According to some data we got recently

Relic Blade is ~8 seconds faster against hordes

[broken spade]

is this the reginauld test stuff?

[tame lodge]

But the ttk on crushers and dealing with Ragers is like less or equal to a second

[tame lodge]

Yeah
I think Lumi was keeping track

[broken spade]

Did we ever find out why he was testing with blessing level 3s?

or why shovel had a ttk of 0 seconds?

i assume the shovel thing was just unfinished

[tame lodge]

It's the ogryn Foldable shovel

It's just insta kill

[atomic void]

yeah i dont have any data just my experience
maybe im using evis wrong all this time idk

[broken spade]

but it says crushers plural
i thought they removed multiple crusher kills with bm

[tame lodge]

But no idea about the blessings

[broken spade]

Also it had thunder hammer at 7 seconds
no way it was just 1 crusher

[atomic void]

tho to clarify, i mostly play the "Bad" evis when i play evis and the power difference is very noticeable

[brittle turret]

In the end it doesn't matter. Game is so easy that you could use a toothpick so who gives a shit what they use

[atomic void]

im not cracked enough to consider aurics a cakewalk

but yeah u can use a lot of weapons people consider bad just fine

[tame lodge]

Well I wasn't watching the stream
I guess I'll either watch the vod if there's any or wait for shorts

https://youtube.com/shorts/MQQUPsk4M2c?si=rCzmQY4i5JZKCNkh

https://youtube.com/shorts/CfQvmicdYoM?si=cGYV6zf58935l8d5

[hollow ibex]

I mean it's fine until it affects the team. Like the SAP vet taking 900 percent ammo and doing the least damage on the team

[vernal trench]

Damn who is thst

[hollow ibex]

Overbuffing lol. Actual clickbait slop

[hollow ibex]

Pubbies, seen it a few times by now

[vernal trench]

Least damage is crazy wtf

[atomic void]

its just a meme title for the funny hahas

[hollow ibex]

Wdym. You think someone unironically playing SAP and barely using melee is going to end up with anything other than bottom damage?

[vernal trench]

What the hell is sap

[brittle turret]

It's a difficulty modifier. Improvise, adapt, overcome.

[radiant chasm]

Tbf obscurus is really strong now that is has real combos

[brittle turret]

Serious a... penetration

[radiant chasm]

It’s single target lacks the stagger of deimos but has more effective dps

[tame lodge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/ocKWl4nL7nM?si=9XeanAMLT4yrhgVE

[radiant chasm]

If FGS wasn’t in the limelight obscurus would be getting more notice

[tame lodge]

Shredder Auto Pistol

Worst ranged in the game atm

[atomic void]

damn the reaper is straight up jorking it

[radiant chasm]

SAP is funny cause it seems fatshark is purposefully ignoring changing the weapon in any way

Like even bolter got compensation and buffed up eventually

[shadow dagger]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/lSMuS67Mx8

[radiant chasm]

Lol lmao

[shadow dagger]

is this a sedition only quickplayer or a troll

[narrow frost]

sorry

that was me

[tall torrent]

Give this man a Rashad

[radiant chasm]

First damnation game as noob vet i guess lol

“I know that veteran is one of the weakest classes” since when

Who says

[narrow frost]

I mean

[atomic void]

reads like a really bad trolling attempt tbh

[narrow frost]

if you look at it like psyker, zel, vet, ogryn

he is 2nd weakest

but thats a dumb view

[radiant chasm]

😂

[tame lodge]

Either drip or drown huh

[shadow dagger]

watching less experienced damnation players load into a moebian grim run is the second funniest but also second most pitiful shit I think I've ever seen

[vernal trench]

Ogryns one of the strongest classes

[tame lodge]

If you're not top1 then you're nothing 🗣️

[radiant chasm]

4 classes in the game that are all viable builds in all content and people are trying to meta game themselves out that their class is useless in normal damnation

[last marten]

reddit 🤨

[radiant chasm]

I could edit that post to be a copypasta with any class

[terse idol]

Well one of the middest classes

[shadow dagger]

beat only by those same players hoping into auric maels thinking they can squeeze out a havoc headstart

[terse idol]

[raw needle]

ogryn is best (duh)
second best is smite psyker
vet i guess does fit the second most weak i agree
zealot 4th cause why would you want a melee focused class in a horde SHOOTER? lol lmao

[terse idol]

Vet is probably

One of the strongest classes in the game

[radiant chasm]

I know that psyker is one of the weakest classes

I know that zealot is one of the weakest classes

I know ogryn is one of the weakest classes

[terse idol]

Aw man

The meme flew over my head

[radiant chasm]

If you think about it

[terse idol]

I couldn't catch it

[tall torrent]

Veteran is a top 4 class in Darktide

[tame lodge]

[radiant chasm]

No matter what class and patch you play, you are always going to be the 4th worst class

Like why even play at that point

Darktide needs 2 dozen more classes including healing support so there is actual meta options

Oh and tanks

[tall torrent]

Difficulty curve of each of the 4 classes imo
White: ogryn
Yellow: zealot
Green: veteran
Blue: psyker

[raw needle]

vaguely resembles something

[radiant chasm]

Big agree with this

Tho vet and zealot change based on pre experience

Otherwise the most correct graph

[tall torrent]

Vet is a little harder to get into than zealot due to worse base stats and only having kill-based toughness gain talents (imo)

[hollow ibex]

Shredder auto pistol

[hollow ibex]

Agreed. I'll either run ahead and take the ammo or just leave the guy to die when he inevitably goes down

[hollow ibex]

Yeah it's def good

[shadow dagger]

idk I think it's a mindset thing for whether vet or zealot is easier

some people just want to whack away at what's in front of them while others mentally don't acknowledge hordes as a threat to be considered while pingables are still within sight

of course none of this matters in lower difficulties where I assume that reddit guy is playing since nobody gets to have fun down there

but the idea is there

[normal bay]

I actually had the hardest time initially as zealot. You really had to learn the combat with that class

[tall torrent]

I was actually gonna draw psyker’s line a little below the others at the end

[atomic void]

zealot is most straightforward to get into but needs players to properly master melee to be really good

[normal bay]

Now with Zealot I just charge at packs of ragers and Ogryns for funsies

[radiant chasm]

If you played tide games previously the only thing the curve can hit you with on zealot is ranged enemies

[atomic void]

never played any so i had to learn everything from scratch and now im addicted

[radiant chasm]

But ogryn gets hit way harder in that regard

[shadow dagger]

850hr in darktide and 750 in vt2 but still dodging directly into basic trash mob melee swings on a regular basis

[terse idol]

I thought vet would be at the bottom of the curves

Since unupgraded exe is so bad

Their grenade is soooo bad

Literally it is just, play this shooting class with the guns with the worst stats in the game

[radiant chasm]

Psyker staffs are terrible early

[tall torrent]

Not as bad as psyker starting with no soulblaze and a DC1

[errant carbon]

Idk I usually play zealot and now when I try to play Vet (without crutching on shout) or melee psyker I'm falling over left and right

[terse idol]

That's true

[terse idol]

It's not a crutch

[radiant chasm]

And they have poor minimum toughness and hp

[normal bay]

The trick was hiding in the back, popping heads with my lasgun, avoiding combat

[terse idol]

I gotta bust down the mentality that voc is a crutch fr

Woah look at me using my tools that gives me gold toughness

Its a cruutch

👻

[normal bay]

What good ability isn't a crutch in this game honestly? Lol

Taunt maybe

[tall torrent]

Taunt is not as good as bull rush

[radiant chasm]

How you get pummeled by melee enemies that spawn on flanks and backline

[tame lodge]

Scriers

[atomic void]

crutches are good

[radiant chasm]

Not crutch abilities, exec stance

[normal bay]

They're pretty rare in those earlier diffs. Less of an issue

[radiant chasm]

Non crutch keystones, marksman, martyrdom, all ogryn keystones post fnp nerf

[crystal monolith]

duuuude it's a corn husk

[radiant chasm]

Midwest american?

[crystal monolith]

no but I have a freind in indiana who tells me they subsist on cornmeal and run their heating on corn oil

[radiant chasm]

😂

[queen fox]

I was in Indiana for 4 years for school, I can 100% confirm this is a fact

99% of indianas land is corn

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/corn-gif-25097080

[tame lodge]

Thought it was a pistachio at first ngl

Then I had to search pistachio to confirm if I was right

[tame lodge]

BLO so bad it might be ending up crutching on "infinite" ammo bug

Except on explosives and kickback

Those seem to be properly patched

[serene bough]

im eager to see the next balance patches

we could use a good shake up

[shadow dagger]

'fuck it everyone gets 5 more talent points'

[tall torrent]

[calm shard]

nerf flamethrowers into the ground and all will be well in the world

[tame lodge]

Would actually make Gunlugger a good build (ignore it being one of the highest DPS output)

[radiant chasm]

Psyker infernus yea, zealot flamer does not need a heavy nerf besides cleave amount imo

[calm shard]

nerf it too just to make sure it never arises again

[serene bough]

pls nerf uncanny strikes

and ds

[radiant chasm]

It was weak on zealot for a good bit after they fixed fotf

[calm shard]

yeah those were good times

weak flamers make for fun horde shooters

[radiant chasm]

A buff to the other 2 zealot paths would indirectly nerf flamer

[radiant chasm]

Lol, lmao

[serene bough]

i dont mind the flamer currently too much

[slim copper]

Me trying to use a flamer while two inferno staff psykers kill everything

[serene bough]

psykers though, their flame staff is nuts

[radiant chasm]

Yea inferno is like 5x worse than flamer because psyker doesn’t have to give up anything for it and has no ammo limit and has in tree synergy

[shadow urchin]

Aye, I don't really see many folks use it, and when I use it, I treat it more like an ultimate attack since I have to conserve ammo and it takes so long to prime. Inferno on the other hand, does not have these drawbacks.

[radiant chasm]

Flamer just kinda exists, the biggest problem for both is infinite cleave

Once that’s gone for flamer it will be fine imo

[slim copper]

I've seen probably 20 or fewer psykers using anything else since havoc dropped

[radiant chasm]

Saw a psyker with a green brauto in havoc once

[serene bough]

i think the DoT heavy meta of havoc pushed lots of psykers/zealots to their flame weapons

at which point many realized its potential

[shadow urchin]

Isn't the cleave the point though? Since it deals poor damage, but can deal it to a lot of targets at once. Or am I missing something here?

[calm shard]

the flamers do not deal poor damage to anything except carapace and ogryns

[serene bough]

then again I dont pay attention much to other player's habits

[radiant chasm]

Flamer and infernus are both extremely high dps

Unless you mean contact damage but that doesn’t matter in the grand scheme

[raw needle]

the solution to nerfing flamers is reducing enemy numbers

[shadow urchin]

So then wouldn't it be better to nerf the damage instead of the cleave, since it's a horde-clear weapon?

[radiant chasm]

No

[tall torrent]

First off flame weapons don’t even interact with cleave mechanic

[radiant chasm]

Yea that’s the issue

They should interact at some level, even if it’s 100 cleave

[serene bough]

if the flamer were to receive any kind of nerf (i dont think it deserves one) then it would probably be better to go for its magazine size

making them weaker in damage would suck

[raw needle]

flamer lowk should blow up if you get hit while bracing

[errant carbon]

"Have a blessing that makes the staff way stronger for doing exactly what you would have done anyway"

[tall torrent]

I think a nerf in rate of fire would be better

Make it apply burn slower

[raw needle]

like psyker but also make it set your ammo to 0

[shadow urchin]

Dude, isn't that like, all the meta blessings for every weapon ever?

Get damage for hitting stuff, get damage for killing stuff, get cleave for killing stuff, ect

[serene bough]

infernus staff is just on another level of power

[tame lodge]

Make that secondary part of the damage stat do something
Since most players dumped damage

[radiant chasm]

Mag size doesn’t matter tbh most flamer players waste ammo

[raw needle]

add a charge bar to it to regulate excessive usage

[radiant chasm]

It would end up being an indirect buff

[faint beacon]

Which honestly make no fucking sense cause you’re telling me if I’m standing behind a group of people I’m going to magically burst into flames even though those in front will be eating the brunt of it

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t matter

[radiant chasm]

That’s the peril bar and imo zealot doesn’t need that change

[shadow urchin]

Wouldn't mag size matter more if people are prone to waste ammo? Less ammo to use is less ammo to waste.

[radiant chasm]

Yes it would limit the maximum amount of waste

[tall torrent]

no because of how overpressured works

[errant carbon]

I guess it does continue the Fatshark Tradition of weapon traits:

1. Game-changing mechanic
2. Just a big stupid stat boost
3. Bullshit Filler
4. Bullshit Filler
5. Bullshit Filler
6. Bullshit Filler

When they try to design blessings to reward playing a little differently we end up with abysmal dogshit like Energy Transfer or Warp Slice

[tall torrent]

as long as ur in 0 ammo state when reloading, overpressure is max stacks

u can keep cancelling reload to maintain max stacks

[raw needle]

every weapon should just have 10 impact blessings

[tame lodge]

Still have no idea what that does

[radiant chasm]

Dont forget stealth nerfing blessings that weren’t even that good

[shadow urchin]

Replace all +Damage blessings with +Impact.

The day is saved!

[tall torrent]

mag size would only affect how many stacks u can apply in a full magdump

[radiant chasm]

Lightning reflexes on smaul and Vicious strike on dclaw

[tall torrent]

which u don't even need in majority of situations

[faint beacon]

You will love the stealth nerfs

And you will like them

[shadow urchin]

I was going to ask if you could love something without liking it then I remember that children exist. Ask any parent ever.

[raw needle]

fatshark should maybe first focus on fixing perks and blessings affectings dots and projectiles

[radiant chasm]

If they didn’t affect dots on dot weapons those blessings would also be useless lol

[faint beacon]

Blessing reworks are needed

[radiant chasm]

And perks like lmao

[serene bough]

idk i still think flamer is okay as it is

[raw needle]

i was talking bout melee weapons

[faint beacon]

Ogryn Cleavers…

[shadow urchin]

I would not mind a blessing/perk rework update. Maybe two. It's really hard to tell what stuff is busted because of innate issues and what's just blessings/perks tipping the scales.

[faint beacon]

That and Bully Clubs

Truly the pinnacle of abysmal dog shit

[raw needle]

well maybe manstopper knives also fall under that tbh

although im pretty sure no one actually plays like that

[shadow urchin]

Ogryn really gets the short end of the bully stick.

[errant carbon]

VT2
Big Balance Beta
actually a good overall improvement to classes, talents, abilities, and base weapons
only change to weapon traits is nerfing Resourceful Combatant/Sharpshooter (already of dubious value outside of broken interactions with a few abilities) into the dirt so that Swift Slaying supremacy can be undisputed

[raw needle]

what they need to do to make darktide good is make power cycler give you 7 swings again and buff survivalist

just sayin

[faint beacon]

Wasn’t BM on Bully Clubs?

Or am I actually insane

[tall torrent]

never

haymaker

[orchid hemlock]

Vet should just be able to kill everything in front of them like Psyker

[shadow urchin]

Although there's one chappy on the forum who insists that Ogryn is perfectly balanced and it's every other class that needs to be cut down to size. So I guess it's all perspective.

[faint beacon]

I’m probably thinking Paul

[errant carbon]

Especially after Unlocked & Loaded, there's no reason Blessing pools need to have 2-3 good combos and a pile of fodder that exists to make you reroll

[tall torrent]

ogryn is very strong if u play a few select things

which is about the same situation as veteran tbh

[slim copper]

Karsolas and kickback or you're a two ton paperweight

[tall torrent]

nah it's more than kickback

I like ripper V more than kickback

insane utility

[slim copper]

I am abysmal dog shit at ogryn so that's naturally wrong

[errant carbon]

Shield is fine too (you WILL spam H1 and you WILL be happy)

[slim copper]

Oh yea ripper is amazing, I just don't see it as often since they nerfed the flame bullet application

[serene bough]

do people use the new stubbers at all on ogryn

[tall torrent]

they're ok at what they're made for

[slim copper]

That and the people using them are typically out of ammo 5 mins in

[tall torrent]

they're also really niche in doing that

[serene bough]

i see

[raw needle]

only out of necessity for long range coverage

[tall torrent]

they have like 2s draw to fire lmao

[raw needle]

they sound like absolute shit tho

[hearty panther]

ogryn in my pub h40 brought a ripper and i was pretty surprised by the output he got from it

[tall torrent]

ripper is the utility gun

incredibly high suppression
insanely high toughness gain

[hearty panther]

i only ever liked the ripper 2 because it dakkas

[tall torrent]

and can 2 burst specialists at close range with reasonable draw to fire

[tame lodge]

Can Opener 🗣️

[serene bough]

what blessings on ripper

[hearty panther]

sadly we still lost

[serene bough]

i havent played ogryn in years

[hearty panther]

because gloriana is insane

[tame lodge]

Can Opener with Blaze Away is a thing

[hearty panther]

but man, we nearly had it

[wanton dawn]

Is this ogryn chat ?

[shadow urchin]

I mean, there is the Grenade Gauntlet. That's pretty good and pickin' specialists at range, no?

[hearty panther]

i was also running gunker so i am not blameless

[slim copper]

Can opener would be nice on high havoc as well

[tame lodge]

Only if you direct impact them because explosion damage is bugged or something

[shadow urchin]

Some of the most fun I've had as psyker has been Warp Speed Knife Gunker. Sadly, I've been on bubble duty since Havoc came out :c

[hearty panther]

ditch the bubble

ill wall but i will never bubble, its so fucking boring

[radiant chasm]

Yea i have to at least use walls

[shadow urchin]

I would if I could, but my crew can't hack it without.

[radiant chasm]

At least walls have some skill expression

[hearty panther]

they never will without if youre never without

[shadow urchin]

Hell, we're barely holding on with the meta shit.

[hearty panther]

i was trying to make FGS LasPee Scriers work but

the active quell nerf at H40 makes it impossible