veteran-class

[radiant chasm]

Branx is more fun imo but kars is ridic

[gaunt anchor]

Oh great heavens

[tame lodge]

Oh yeah luv me Branx

[radiant chasm]

Borovarian just doesn’t do either well, middle child syndrome

Dude got carried through true survivor and is now going to lecture other h40 true survivors

[wheat stratus]

the special also 1 or 2 shots crushers with thurst

[pseudo fiber]

Ogryn weapon moment

[latent parcel]

Wheres my carry to true survivor @vernal trench

[radiant chasm]

Dont try to ego check me i’ve gotten over a league addiction who needs to prove anything

[pseudo fiber]

How's the Kurok doing now a days

[radiant chasm]

Laughing emoji react like we 12 year olds on youtube

Truly peak

[tame lodge]

Which one 🗣️

[steep flower]

Kurok?

😂

[pseudo fiber]

the

krourk

that's it

i don't play ogryn

[radiant chasm]

Conversation moves on, must laugh emoji

[vernal trench]

Na i suck

U gotta carry me with ur true duo ogryn

[radiant chasm]

See ya dweeb, rest y’all alright

[tame lodge]

Well Krourk 4, the cleaver is like top 4 melee or 5

[steep flower]

aaa; its... well the twin linked one is... sad... the heavy stubber tho is legit, i prefer Gorgonum tho for heavy stubber

[vernal trench]

[tame lodge]

Twin linked is aaaaa

[gaunt anchor]

I love the uhhhh

Super rapid fire twin link

[pseudo fiber]

Hasn't that weapon been bad since like Patch 13

[vernal trench]

Hey when am i gonna be seeing ur knife ogryn build bro

Gotta see that shroudgryn action

[pseudo fiber]

the krourk twin linked

[gaunt anchor]

cause it means more bullets in mag, so more chances to trigger free bullet :)

[tame lodge]

And Krourk 6, the cleaver just stops existing against carapace

[radiant chasm]

Cause i can really see like, everyone else just chatting, vect having an intelligent conversation, meanwhile dude looking at the camera laughing emoji saying i must be trolling cause i get high uptime with infiltrate

[steep flower]

Never cause cleavers struggle againts armor despite Mk IV doing alright

[radiant chasm]

Anyways cleavers suck vs armor

[vernal trench]

:(

[gaunt anchor]

Achlys is the one I like. though that might be the bad one

[radiant chasm]

And just been power crept

[vernal trench]

Dude papa u should true duo ogryn with stompt actually

[radiant chasm]

It’s sad they should be mulchers for horde

[latent parcel]

i cant replace apollo the goatgryn

[tame lodge]

Bring a Can Opener Ripper Mk2 and enjoy your cleaver 🗣️

[steep flower]

You tempt me

[vernal trench]

Theres enough godgryns to go around

[radiant chasm]

Rippers still go hard idc how OP kickback is

[gaunt anchor]

one trillion bullets, my beloved

[steep flower]

It is one of the best

[radiant chasm]

Pre UaL i had a 13% stability achlys twin stubber i called my bullet hose

Used it exclusively for assassination missions

[steep flower]

Rippers are good; just require a build

[gaunt anchor]

'I will hit something eventually!'

[vernal trench]

Gunlugger ogryn in h40 when

[radiant chasm]

Kickbacks don’t need a build that’s basically the issue, opportunity costs hit ogryn hard

[gaunt anchor]

I like kickback cause it makes a funny noise

[radiant chasm]

They still haven’t added thugshot either

[gaunt anchor]

sadly I don't like the gauntlet

[radiant chasm]

Like wtf fatshark

[tame lodge]

Cavalcante Flechette Ripper

You set bosses on fire and bleed them out

[radiant chasm]

Idc about ogryn buffs (/joke) where is thugshot!?

[pseudo fiber]

I mean what would it really do over the heavy stubbers

[tame lodge]

You just lose can opener though

[gaunt anchor]

give me the thug shooter dude

[pseudo fiber]

But also fuck it you're right thugshot

[radiant chasm]

Cleave multiple reapers and oneshot all of them (idk)

[gaunt anchor]

actually is blaze away or ceaseless barrage better on gunlugger?

[steep flower]

Blaze

[gaunt anchor]

got it 🫡

[radiant chasm]

For those not in the know, the thugshot would be a single shot launcher like the kickback and rumbler, except it would be a single slug bullet

It exists as a concept in the games code but i can only assume Gw is preventing us from this perfect weapon, the ogryn revolver

[gaunt anchor]

I want

slower firing stubber like gun

with front shield so I can block when bracing

it would be so free chat

make it block like half my screen though so I gotta hope I hit something

[radiant chasm]

Or, fatshark knew if they combined the best parts of the kickback with the zarona revolver, glugger would be unstoppable with the thugshot (i dont fuckin know)

Lack of mk1 club being good as made ogryn dull for me

I can take up the pickaxe but its just so boring

[gaunt anchor]

with ogryn, do I just go like 3 max health curios anyways?

[latent parcel]

Toughness

[gaunt anchor]

so three max toughness??

[latent parcel]

yea

[gaunt anchor]

got it.

[radiant chasm]

3 max hp just dont step on a healthpack until lil uns heal first

[latent parcel]

Nah HP isnt as good anymore

[radiant chasm]

Cause you become an vacuum since they only have a flat amount of hp

[radiant chasm]

I was getting to that

[gaunt anchor]

my bodyguard ogryn has triple hp curios

[radiant chasm]

But yea toughness better

[latent parcel]

oh mb

[gaunt anchor]

but funny number is 500+ range is silly, but yeah makes sense

[dim tiger]

👀

i still need to level up this weapon's mastery

i think im gonna yoink that

[wicked cedar]

did i build my stealth vet right guys

[uncut pebble]

I'm going to hurt you, Lumii.

"It'll be fine it'll be fine don't worry it'll be fine" I'm going to carry his stupid ass on ogryn just wait.

[wicked cedar]

im a vet

[uncut pebble]

We have cooked something truly monstrous.

Agri revolver can hold the benefit of shroudfield for at least two bullets.

Hand cannon + sustained fire instantly drops a crusher.

[wicked cedar]

this shits so funny

[uncut pebble]

With unyielding and the pathing listed for damage buffs, you can oneshot a reaper or bulwark right from the gate after popping shroudfield.

[wicked cedar]

"mom can we have ds4"
"we have ds4 at home!"
ds4 at home:
agri revolver

[uncut pebble]

This gets even dumber because we are using a piety setup now with invoc so we can abuse perfectionist.

[austere mica]

Oh did I actually help find something funny

[uncut pebble]

I retained the minimum 1s shroudfield duration thing you said the other day and told Lumii about it, so he decided to whip up that godforsaken thing above, then I tuned it a bit so it's actually usable.

[frank ledge]

I'll make an unplayable version with dotgun

[uncut pebble]

Now we have bastardized a heavy sword with chained deathblow and perfect strike.

[sullen jackal]

what about double barrel shotty

[terse idol]

Its fun

[grand perch]

quiet vet chat today

someone should post squad leader build or something

[tropic halo]

Squad up or you will answer to me

[copper cedar]

Ullo pals

Pal has just got the 'eavier las pistol

what's good perk and blessingwise?

[tame lodge]

Maniac with Flak/Elites

Dumdum + Ghost/Desperado

[copper cedar]

Tanks sah

[fading yarrow]

It finally happened

I accidentally accepted a delayed PF invite while in the middle of a Havoc

[hollow ibex]

first game of the day and i see this

[tame lodge]

That one really really really FAT streamer

https://youtu.be/J5ppF5URqC8?si=OQAjz8xIEvxWbVYn

[tropic halo]

Classic video and best summary of 40K

[placid notch]

hit 30 on my vet today lads

it’s havoc time

[pallid jetty]

^his last words, but full of joy and expectations...

[calm shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/697445461312929845/1291730865575039068/Tumblr_l_18050364746536.gif

[normal bay]

I need Brunt to reappear so I can have words with him about his Plasma gun selection

[alpine prairie]

Bruh! The bolter pistol is legit AF! Hits like a truck 🚚, pinpoint accurate when you need it 📌, and loads of ammo! Is this OP? I haven't played in about a year, performance seems wild to me!

[narrow frost]

eh, its mid

zarona beats it in all ways

[alpine prairie]

who Zarona?

[narrow frost]

zarona revolver

[alpine prairie]

The one with the fast loader?

[narrow frost]

no

[alpine prairie]

WAT?

[narrow frost]

the cowboy one is the arginppina

the single load is zarona

[alpine prairie]

That 5-shooter was bad 👎

reload takes a day and a half, shots hit hard but not that hard... idk what peeps like about it

[hollow ibex]

zarona doesn't have lethal proximity though

[tame lodge]

So about that

Best weapon in the game

[hollow ibex]

you can one-shot crushers with zarona lol. it's one of th strongest guns in the game

[narrow frost]

streongest non havoc range

expect staffs

[tame lodge]

At least when it comes to shared weapons

Yeah

[alpine prairie]

Knuckles says bolter pistol is best tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxY9ydkazBw

[tame lodge]

You might be huh ing me

But that's the truth

[alpine prairie]

[tame lodge]

🤷

Well no need for you to agree with me rn

[alpine prairie]

Oh well, I gotta go bowling now 🎳, ttyl and ty for the feedback

[tame lodge]

Anyways the truth will reach you later

See ya

🫡

[inner temple]

https://tenor.com/view/bowling-flop-hand-stuck-oops-slide-gif-21074250

Me when bowling

[vernal trench]

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664591642967408640/1320852161265143878/axe.mp4?ex=67bb866f&is=67ba34ef&hm=e5a8d769e2879cfd018182afc07ffe85db081343cc06cd93fec7efbedcb87d09&

[junior grail]

You're like a... WEAPON SPECIALIST

[silver trellis]

"Man I really like this gun but the reload speed is too slow"

[fiery raft]

what would be a build around my double barrel weapon specialist build?

[mellow cobalt]

after zealot and psyker got some exclusive weapons I think it'd be cool for Vet to have like, a hot shot lasgun/hellgun as an exclusive weapon

it could be like a speedier bolter or smthn

idk spitballing

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e1f05dc-6162-4d02-8a5d-ceb865e4f69a/infil-fragger

yes, it's infil

yes, it's still very strong

[fiery raft]

never tried infil

how do i use it?

[hollow ibex]

you press F

unlike VOC, it's less of an "i-win" button

[fiery raft]

practically

[hollow ibex]

but you can use it to rez people, do objectives, sneak up and wreck the line of gunners that's destroying your team

it works as a panic button, but VOC is better at that

watch the cooldown

[burnt vortex]

No Surprise Attack?

[hollow ibex]

suffers from only being 5s long. still could have some nice synergies with nades, but i'd rather take bring it down / 25 extra toughness

BID/25 toughness are flex nodes so you can swap them for surprise attack if you like

[runic jackal]

What does cleave do for weapons? mostly the helbore. Im trying to put blessings on it, but I dont know which

[hollow ibex]

makes your attack hit more stuff

check pins for recommended helbore pblessings

[runic jackal]

oh, thats useless for it then

[hollow ibex]

hotshot?

it's mainly useful for buffing your melee weapon

[alpine prairie]

They only fired it like 3 times in this clip though...? Good clip other than that.

[tame lodge]

Eh
It basically doubles Helbore cleave

It's just competing with other blessings

[tall torrent]

Pay attention to ammo counter

You don’t need to reload it most of the time

It’s also the lowest talent cost breakpoint-orientated gun in the game

Plasma costs more talents for breakpoints

[ocean hornet]

This may seem like a dumb question, but does anyone have any tips for completing the On Overwatch penance?

[tall torrent]

Do u want the easy way or the hard way

[ocean hornet]

I'm a filthy casual, so preferably the easy way, but let's hear both

[tall torrent]

Easy way
You jump off the map at the start and teammate speedruns the whole map, never reviving you

Hard way
You learn how to properly fight in melee and minimize all damage you take

[ocean hornet]

...holy crap, I never even thought of that lol

I like to think I'm fairly good in melee, dodging like crazy, but there's always one that slips through and does, like, a single point of HP damage

[alpine prairie]

I don't even know what "lowest talent cost breakpoint-oriented" means. Like, I know what each of those words mean alone (a little iffy on breakpoint) but I don't know what that means in this context.

[tall torrent]

You need 100% toughness to be able to absorb melee damage

[tall torrent]

Takes the least amount of damage related talents to hit 1 shot breakpoints for the most important enemies

[ocean hornet]

Any speedrunners willing to help me out with that?

[alpine prairie]

So... OK, I can see how 1-shotting a gunner or rager would be cool, but ... wait, talents are those parts on a weapon's information pane that appear below the 6 bars of confusion, right?
And to clarify, not trolling with my questions here. I have like close to 300 hours with this game and a lot of stuff about how weapons work confuses me.

[tall torrent]

No, talents are the 30 points you spend on talent tree

For example

[alpine prairie]

Oh

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol usually requires superiority complex to be able to hit 1 headshot kill on both gunners consistently while also getting flamer 1 headshot kills

Revolver IIa doesn’t

So that saves at least 2 points on the talent tree to be spent elsewhere

Since most people take +ammo only to get to shock trooper / superiority complex / marksman

[alpine prairie]

So I shoot twice Is that wrong of me?

[tall torrent]

Well

That’s up to you

But breakpoints do help a lot

[formal ice]

Ammo waster

[alpine prairie]

Bolt Pistol also has 8 in the magazine and reloads fast, revolver has 5 and takes longer

[tall torrent]

You don’t need to reload nearly as much with weapon specialist

[hearty panther]

eight is not a lot either tbf

[tall torrent]

Revolver has significantly faster draw

If you need to shoot twice with boltpistol that’s 4 kills per mag

Revolver gets at least 5

It could get more due to having 6.5 cleave

[alpine prairie]

Is ammo really tight on Auric? I'm often playing on Malestrom once my characters are at 25+. Sometimes I take it to level 4.

[tall torrent]

No

But also

If you’re only playing up to heresy

Then the differences between them don’t really matter

[hearty panther]

but really if you can comfortably reach a 1 shot breakpoint there's rarely any reason to not do that thing since less shots = more ammo and less shots = less time spent aiming = faster ttk and less opportunity that something goes wrong before that second shot goes off

[tall torrent]

The game is not challenging enough at those difficulties

(Frankly it’s still not so challenging in auric, revolver is just overall better tho)

[hearty panther]

its mostly just good practice to minimize the amount of ammo you use

[alpine prairie]

Yeah, and genuinely, even with my new level-19 Ogryn, Malestrom is stupid difficult

[tall torrent]

If you’re struggling in like

Heresy

[alpine prairie]

Heresy is level 4, right?

[tall torrent]

Then you got bigger worries than thinking whether revolver is worse than boltpistol

[tall torrent]

4 bars in difficulty

[alpine prairie]

OK, yeah, really rarely played that on my old account where I had one of each class at level 30.

Actually kinda fell off playing some time after the talent tree overhaul was introduced for some reason

but then got it on Steam for free through a friend, and now I'm back to starting from the bottom, and I think bolt pistol is just the bee's knees.

[tall torrent]

Revolver has several major advantages over boltpistol

+21% innate crit chance
Much faster draw to fire
Much lower talent cost
Much higher cleave
Lower recoil
Faster rate of fire usually
Better breakpoints (can 1 crit bodyshot Dreg Rager)

Boltpistol’s main advantage is not even gun related

[alpine prairie]

bullets go boom?

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol in comparison gets
Lethal proximity (to buff frags)
Higher mag size
Higher ammo reserve
AoE low stagger
Slightly better version of point blank blessing

I think that’s it lol

[alpine prairie]

what does Lethal proximity to buff frags mean?

[trim steppe]

You can clear all content in the game with any weapon, if you have the skill to back it up. So if you love the bolt pistol, more power to you. Have fun! But yeah its objectively not the strongest weapon

[trim steppe]

it increases the explosion radius of your grenades

[alpine prairie]

I do NOT have the skill to back it up

[alpine prairie]

say whaaaat? Just having it equiped gives grenades bigger boom?

wild

[tall torrent]

Very literally

[trim steppe]

A stronger weapon will carry you, but at some point you gotta carry the weapon. Might as well practice now

[tall torrent]

Only in havoc, boltpistol is strictly better than revolver

And purely due to lethal proximity

Not even for the gun itself

[alpine prairie]

I gotta get all 4 of my classes back up to 30 first though

and I wanna say that on my Game Pass version of this game, I was only playing Herasy like 10% of the time at most?

[trim steppe]

Do you happen to know the exact (or approximate) havoc level where the switch occurs? Somewhere around 30?

[tall torrent]

Not sure

[alpine prairie]

at level 9, even Uprising can sometimes be a real challenge. Sometimes they we get jumped by like 4-5 of the welder-faced boys at once from out of nowhere!

[tall torrent]

Well

Depends on how much u use ur gun I think

[trim steppe]

You might not want to do this, because leveling again will be good practice. BUT, Fatshark has a service where they will port your characters between platforms (e.g. playstation to PC). You ONLY get your character levels. No gear, penances, cosmetics, etc. But if you dont want to level again you can inquire on their forum

[tall torrent]

I’d say whichever is the level where revolver loses crit 1 body shot Dreg rager is the level it falls off

[alpine prairie]

Actually, leveling them up from zero gives me a much better idea of what’s available in the talent trees, getting to test them out and experiment over a long period of time. When I had them all at once, it was too much to explore.

But it’s really cool to know that I have the option to port my characters over to a different platform, so thank you for that!

[trim steppe]

Yeah I agree, the leveling process is a nice way to get to know each class. Just thought I'd let you know in case

[hollow ibex]

guess what gun this guy was using

[pseudo fiber]

recon

[unreal nova]

Yes. Beeg boom. And yes, it makes kraks bigger as well.

[hollow ibex]

not a bad guess

he was using ilas mk vii lol

supposed to be one of the most ammo efficient g uns in the game

[unreal nova]

Not if you fail at headshots.

[hollow ibex]

true, i just normally equate las guns to ammo efficiency

but i suppose there are ways to overcome that particular quality of ilas

also how the hell did he take 3x the amount of damage that i did

i'm an ogryn lol

[unreal nova]

Like shooting air.

Like I do. 1k damage taken, 0 downs/0 deaths.

[pseudo fiber]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/kKO6NkF3wSpq9zf8lcIny2zL5dJbXj0kqkJ-95Yr6pY/https/i.imgur.com/EnIeGOK.mp4

You were playing with the guy from this gif

Amszing

[formal ice]

Dude acting more like a bot than the actual bot

[faint beacon]

Turret gameplay

[burnt vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-arc-troppers-vs-battle-droids-mk2-gif-18258595

[ocean hornet]

@unreal nova Any chance I could enlist your aid to cheese an annoying penance?

[hollow ibex]

this event is so good for relic blade zealot

[narrow frost]

I up your scoreboard with my scoreboard

[hollow ibex]

if my match was 40 minutes, i would've done 1.2m damage though

[tall torrent]

what's ur region

[ocean hornet]

North America

[tall torrent]

I can help u rn

[ocean hornet]

Awesome. Thank you

[tall torrent]

it's On Overwatch right?

[ocean hornet]

Yeah, gotta complete a mission on Malice or higher without taking any melee damage

[frigid tusk]

power sword mains, mk3 or mk6 better? Mk6 feels nicer to use but it has the slowdown on special activation that kinda makes me feel squishy

I do wanna run it in h40

[tall torrent]

alr

[tall torrent]

mk6

[frigid tusk]

is it just swing pattern or is there a specific thing mk6 does better

[hollow ibex]

hmm let me think

literally everything

peak fatshart balancing right here

[tall torrent]

pretty much everything is better on mk6

@ocean hornet I'll also add
whatever build u have rn can use a lot of improvements lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984525651904176209/1327912507150565436/IMG_2005.png?ex=67bb80a5&is=67ba2f25&hm=65b9bc9af0f65f3be0a0879492cf2659c39f40b43112418909f3f5d19f567cd1&

[ocean hornet]

Oh I don't doubt it. I've been shifting builds around a lot as I work on various penances

[tall torrent]

u can start with this

very standard entry level build for veteran

if u have questions u can always dm me

[ocean hornet]

I'll keep that in mind for the future. For now, I still need Volley Fire and Marksman's Focus for penances

[tall torrent]

they're both ez

[vernal trench]

whats with dogs skipping animations since last patch

it happens almost every time

[frank ledge]

Elaborate, you mean jumping without preparation?

[tropic notch]

Who uses the mk 5 ds on vet? I need some help with the right blessings

I’m thinking uncanny and precog

[grand perch]

you should have that pinned btw

[tall torrent]

Nah am too lazy

[solar monolith]

Getting it pinned would be less work than having to post it every time someone asks for a build

[unreal nova]

I napped, you still need it or so?

[ocean hornet]

Nah, someone helped me

Thanks,. though

[unreal nova]

Ah. Alright.

[trim badger]

This ogryn kicked my ass...

[tropic notch]

Wish I had this scoreboard

What one is that?

[trim badger]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/453

Remember to disable "Divided by 10" option

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-noted-glorp-noted-glorp-noting-this-down-alien-cat-gif-11958671377507601335

[vernal trench]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1324404994006450248/1343172246847361145/image.png?ex=67bc4e22&is=67bafca2&hm=d58323c97a8c1d6fd84d639c1222a5f6fe8e72e57b33df38108a3609d82bc903&

2 damage from 1 tick of bomber fire

[grand perch]

that moment when twinned blast triggers just right

https://tenor.com/view/pacha-just-right-so-good-yes-emperors-new-groove-gif-6584923

[calm shard]

I don't need to imagine. I NEED to outdamage this shit ass inferno staff psyker

[tropic halo]

That horde coming down of the stairs, that shit so scary

[wild vortex]

Psyker has far and away the highest damage potential

Actual damage dealt is skill dependent

[cloud thunder]

Depends on the mission/difficulty and build

Inferno psyker doesn’t do as well in aurics for example. It shines in havocs

[calm shard]

not with inferno staff it isn't

just mash left click the whole mission and quell and bam easy top damage

most braindead playstyle in the game

and it makes the match less fun for your entire team too!

[tropic halo]

True true

[calm shard]

seeing the flamers being top of the meta again in Darktide reinforces my belief from Vermintide 2 that the Flamethrowers should be bad

like they should intentionally be made weak because they make the game extremely boring when they are strong

[elder fiber]

depends on the type of game but yeah they're hard to balance in horde shooters

[queen fox]

Hd2 did it kinda right, the flames are projectiles that leave enemies and the ground on fire, it's a decent close range dps option but because projectiles only hit 1 enemy at a time then light the ground on fire, it's dps doesn't get too insane like the darktide flamer does

[calm shard]

except the flamer in Helldivers 2 was meta for a time as well

Because it could kill chargers nearly instantly on top of being okay horde clear

[sage cairn]

hiya vets

any suggestions on Bistol blessing and perks?

[unreal nova]

Lethal prox+puncture.

[sage cairn]

ah I was looking up a few posts about it, is run n gun okay without?

[unreal nova]

If you want that on a Zealot BPistol, sure.

Could use it in place of puncture as well, but then you need to shoot while running to meet breakpoints and hipfiring it is spicy.

[sage cairn]

yeah spicy shaking

[unreal nova]

Yeah, why iffy.

[sage cairn]

is Deadly Accurate trash?

weakspot damage seems great no? unless it only works on crit hits

[solar monolith]

it's only on crits that hit weakspots

[unreal nova]

It only buffs the critical weakspot damage.

So you need to both crit and hit the head. Also, from what I know, it only buffs the bonus damage from it.

[sage cairn]

ah thats sad, looks like nothing else helps in damage aside from run n gun n puncture

I went with flak + unarmoured, thats aight yea?

[solar monolith]

i don't think unarmoured hits any breakpoints, might be wrong tho

i just use ol reliable flak + maniac

[terse idol]

I mean DA is still not too bad iirc

Because it's what like

[unreal nova]

Maniac+Unarmored/Elite. I use Flak and cara but pretty sure it's more the joke of Crusher hate than anything.

[terse idol]

100% bonus damage on critical weakspot hits

Oh

On bistol

[unreal nova]

Yeah, you don't want DA on Bolt Pistol, lul.

[terse idol]

(Imo if you're playing for an aim down headshot built, can't you also just run weapon spec with DA?)

I guess it's actually not that useful

[solar monolith]

doesn't the bistol have like

crap crit/weakspot multipliers anyway tho

[terse idol]

Most bistols built for like LP

With either rng or puncture

[unreal nova]

It's double damage on a critical weakspot.

[terse idol]

Iirc it might also push you over the edge for head shot breakpoint on dredge gunners

[unreal nova]

I think.

[hollow ibex]

you should be able to hit all the important breakpoints without surgical/DA, which makes them pretty shit

[solar monolith]

i meant like base bistol without DA

[unreal nova]

Yes, that's base.

[solar monolith]

oh

not bad

[unreal nova]

So it's triple damage with deadly accurate IF you crit on a weakspot, but you get like 1 guaranteed crit shot with WS. Unless you really wanna shoot crushers, I guess.

[terse idol]

Oh i forgot

Iirc its a modifier on the damage of the crit itself

Not a multiplier on the whole damage

[hollow ibex]

yup

[sullen jackal]

psyker smite is just a flamethrower prove me wrong

[calm shard]

psyker smite doesn't kill anything without super high investment on the skill tree, and even with that investment can only barely kill the squishiest elites for nearl your full peril bar

[sullen jackal]

so what you're saying is that it's a bad flamethrower

[terse idol]

Its a great cc tool

[sage cairn]

is Lethal Proximity huge in value?

[sullen jackal]

flamethrowers: short-range damage over time with a large amount of CC that specializes in killing a large number of weak enemies

[calm shard]

oh another big difference with smite

[terse idol]

If you're playing the grenadier bistol build yeah

[calm shard]

smite has a cap on how many enemies it can damage

[sullen jackal]

smite: short range damage over time with a large amount of CC that specializes in killing a large number of weak enemies

[terse idol]

Increases the radius of your grenades

[inland orchid]

For shredders yes, every other nade you don’t notice the extra explosion radius too often

[terse idol]

For shredder grenades that means more bleed

[sullen jackal]

...I don't think it does, especially not EP Smite.

[calm shard]

it's a big cap but each of your 3 lightning tendrils can only jump a finite number of times

[hearty panther]

there is no such limit

[sage cairn]

does it also apply to zealot? 🤔

[terse idol]

I dunno

[hearty panther]

none of zealots grenades use an explosive flag so no, sadly

the only other one is ogryn frag bomb

[severe gale]

no, the one interaction it had with crusher was removed

for some fucking reason

but vet keeps all of his !

[inland orchid]

I guess a power field would be too fancy to be considered a explosion

[sullen jackal]

horde size caps out at roughly 55 for the lighest enemies so(off memory)

[radiant chasm]

you can go surgical deadly accurate

puncture is more consistent and doesn't have the waiting period surgical does and if you are going lethal proximity, you are going grenade build probably.

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/by-the-nine-im-tweaking-by-the-nine-im-tweaking-signalis-signalis-game-gif-14031434859351507230

[radiant chasm]

and if you are going nades/global damage boosts, you aren't going to be grabbing a ton of crit and weakspot support talents

[hollow ibex]

https://steamusercontent-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/10799315613442871/F9A41565A0711993AF0D5A986BEEE0D6AA4C782E/

gotta love blending up an entire room of 21st hordes

this event is so damn good for relic blade zealot

[sullen jackal]

i do not think smite actually has a cap on targets, just on targets acquired each jump interval(every 0.3 seconds or so)

[severe gale]

yeah basically

[severe gale]

not OP btw…

[hollow ibex]

yes, buff relic blade pls

[tawny badger]

insidious throwing knife

[tall torrent]

no
ideally unarmored + maniac

[tall torrent]

it does hit dreg gunner 1hs

[calm shard]

damage difference between deadly accurate (first image),and without on the 2nd

[sage cairn]

hmmmg

[winter sluice]

#Nooticing

[faint beacon]

Nooticing veteran should be gutted into the core of the earth

Play a better class like Zealot

[trim badger]

Another day, another time my ass gets kicked by an Ogryn

[vernal trench]

Ur into bdsm

[trim badger]

NO THEY'RE JUST SUPER SAIYAN OR SMT IN HAVOC 40

[vernal trench]

700k damage

He aint no godgryn

[oblique cedar]

hi chat can someone explain to me what does this mean exactly? as in does this work on ranged hits and what does the number mean in practice

[calm shard]

if you hit the thing in the head the shot will go through them

it used to be really good, but isn't really that great now iirc

[errant carbon]

Apparently the tier scaling is backwards too. Not at my PC rn so can't check

[oblique cedar]

I get that but what does 50 mean

[hollow ibex]

it means you get 50 cleave

for reference, most enemies can be cleaved through with 3 cleave

[tame lodge]

Iirc the tooltip is wrong

Basically reduces enemies mass by half on weakspot hits

Basically doubling your cleave

Applies to melee as well atm

[trim badger]

no downs tho

[vernal trench]

Thats not too bad but hes got low damage

[oblique cedar]

ok that makes sense

[vernal trench]

Good ogryn should have the highest damage in the game

[calm shard]

oh gross

more information mod says that it's a percentage boost

[errant carbon]

So I guess "what the number means in practice" is "use Armorbane or Weight of Fire instead"

[grand perch]

why used to be? im not aware of any nerfs

[tame lodge]

Don't Armourbane

Helbores have high adm across the board

AB is kinda meh because of that

[grand perch]

hotshot still reduces enemy hit mass by half on your melee and ranged weapon afaik

[trim badger]

even in havoc 40?

[errant carbon]

IIRC the Helbores weren't nerfed (other than bug fixes where melee weapon blessings applied to the bayonet) but just power crept

[grand perch]

as long as its a weakspot hit ofc

[vernal trench]

Especially in havoc 40

[calm shard]

diet brutal momentum

[vernal trench]

Ogryns can do some of the highest damage possible

[calm shard]

still a pretty cool gun

Mk IV Helbore is effectively an infinite ammo plasma gun that's way more annoying to use

[grand perch]

@tall torrent could i see the stagger table for helbores please

[tall torrent]

all 3?

[grand perch]

mk4 please

[tall torrent]

IIIa

IV

V

[grand perch]

i guess its time to try out falter 4 real

[tame lodge]

Pair it with No Respite

[grand perch]

since path unveiled his no respite shotgun trick im not so sure about badmouthing it

[tall torrent]

shotgun is much higher stagger than helbore

and can use no respite due to being able to fill up boss' stagger threshold pool within reasonable timeframe

helbore not so much

[hearty panther]

and the shotgun also doesn't tend to one tap many of its targets so that boosted follow up shot actually matters

[calm shard]

what does this mean

[serene bough]

I dislike how shotguns feel in this game

Can't tell bc the damage is too poor or bc it feel redundant with such a good melee system in this game

[calm shard]

yeah all the shotguns haven't had damage buffs in a long time

blue shotgun is still alright, the other 2 are suffering

and blue shotgun being alright is mostly tied to its absurd finesse modifier and unyielding damage

it's good damage

[hollow ibex]

yeah the slugs can one-tap reapers

maybe even crushers idr

[void dragon]

is the double barrel shotgun good? and what blessings are good in it? (have conflicting answers from pinned stuff, same for chain swords)

[hollow ibex]

DB is good

i take flakiac + manstopper/flechette

[calm shard]

hit em with ONE OF THOSE

[calm shard]

slug shotgun is green shotgun

[hollow ibex]

oh i don't go by colors lmao

assumed you were talking about slugs

[calm shard]

very cool gun

ironically for a shotgun has bad unarmored and maniac damage

which you'd think they'd have that as their best

[iron silo]

remember them as "Slug", "Dragons Breath" and "Dogshit"

[calm shard]

the blue one is the best one for using as an actual gun

because it has freakishly high unyielding damage

like honestly comparable to helbore tier unyielding damage

seriously

it's special ammo is extremely bad on everyoen that isn't psyker though

it can also In theory kill a Crusher in 3 shots because it has really really high finesse

If you crit headshot a crusher 3 times in a row

but then y'know it does that

10 focus stacks doesn't one shot headshot a gunner

[faint beacon]

Duckshot variant has one gimmick

Exactly 1

MF keystone Manstopper Scatter shot

Press special key, Horde go bye bye

[tall torrent]

Stagger applied onto enemies build up to eventually hit stagger threshold

[uncut pebble]

Slug and fire shotguns still deal respectable damage.

Their special shots also have huge utility that the spreadshot one doesn't have.

Slug will open a bulwark shield (hearsay, never tested this myself), fire will suppress anything it touches from any distance.

[mellow cobalt]

does burn deal damage while you're still shooting the target?

[tall torrent]

yes

fire shotgun's burn dmg is usually quite low

[mellow cobalt]

so it doesn't stop burning when u shoot it okay

im talking abt recon lasguns here but yeah

ik its meta but I love big cool fast pew pew

[tall torrent]

burn tick rate doesn't change based on your ranged attack hits

[mellow cobalt]

okay just making sure

i was testing it out in the grinder and it seemed like burn was stopping while I was shooting at the reaper

[tall torrent]

no it's just not a super high tick rate compared to other games

for example DRG's DOT tick rate is much faster than DT's

[mellow cobalt]

whats drg?

[tall torrent]

Deep rock galactic

[molten hound]

what exactly does "close damage" on dumdum mean

[hollow ibex]

damage done within 12.5m

at least i think it was 12.5

oh wait no

even better lol

[tall torrent]

it doesn't stretch, kuli misread the code when he told me that

[molten hound]

oh so you still get something outside of 12.5 m

[hollow ibex]

ah ic ic

[tall torrent]

am too lazy to change word doc rn

[molten hound]

thats pretty good

[hollow ibex]

still very good though

and prob the reason why longshot sucks lol

[tall torrent]

+%dmg bonus calculations

[molten hound]

interesting

[molten hound]

thanks

[tall torrent]

there're other forms of +dmg bonuses

they are multiplicative to +%dmg

[molten hound]

oh so if you stack up dumdum does it make your shredders tick for more

[tall torrent]

bleed yes

explosion depends

explosion needs to go off while it's stacked up and will benefit from the # of stacks that were active as it went off

[molten hound]

thats pretty good

thats really good actually

[gaunt anchor]

what blessings should I use with inf lasgun?

going for a stance build with it

[hollow ibex]

check pins for that

[floral chasm]

Honestly I need tons of help understanding what's the best gun for missions, I have a Helbore and it sucks ass

[austere mica]

The helbore is quite strong, you are probably using it wrong

[hollow ibex]

helbore's good but hard to play well

[junior grail]

Helbore go stabby stabby

[molten hound]

Is this the fabled perfect plasma gun

[floral chasm]

Damn

[calm shard]

Helbore is extremely good, and yes it does suck ass to use

zero bells or whistles on that thing

[hollow ibex]

the bayonet could prob be used as a whistle

[floral chasm]

What about the shotgun? Forgot what's it called, I was gonna buy it

[hollow ibex]

which one?

[tropic halo]

Theres double barrel and combat shotguns

[floral chasm]

Damn

I think combat?

Wasn't double

[hollow ibex]

the DB shotgun is good

the combat ones are pretty bleh

[floral chasm]

I'm still new to the game lol

[hollow ibex]

before damnation you can just use whatever you want

[floral chasm]

Sounds cool

I found the normal infantry gun to be the best

Normal bullets

Not a big fan of the Lasguns

[orchid hemlock]

I don't think weapons mean that much at the starting levels

Right now the "meta" guns on Vet are:

IAG, Recon, Bolt Gun, Plasma Gun

[floral chasm]

Ah

Yeah I haven't reached those yet

[orchid hemlock]

U were talking about the IAG weren't you?

[floral chasm]

infantry auto gun?

[orchid hemlock]

Yes

[floral chasm]

Yeah I believe so

I have a few

[orchid hemlock]

Yes all of the IAGs are good

[floral chasm]

Yes

But the damage sucks ass for what I'm looking for

[orchid hemlock]

But again, I'm talking about at the highest level

Tbh I can use any gun and still pull off a good run

[floral chasm]

That's cool

[orchid hemlock]

I honestly wouldn't worry about it, just figure out what you find fun

[floral chasm]

Alrighty

I'll do that

[gaunt anchor]

man deadshot and recon sucks

it just birnbs through stamina in an instant

[trim badger]

The Dagg guy complained about us

[visual horizon]

why?

[thorn lark]

Well you don't really put Deadshot on a rapid fire weapon...

[hollow ibex]

i've seen plenty of recon las deadshot players with 9 stam curios

[orchid hemlock]

Nuhuh

Stack 3 stamina curios and get the stamina WS node 😤

[gaunt anchor]

it doesn't seem to be giving stamina though??

like I kill, and get the melee specalist and no stamina back

[hollow ibex]

it grants stamina back on weapon switch

[radiant chasm]

deadshot is for single shot

[calm shard]

yeah

[trim badger]

No idea

"guys what are you doing"

4 downs

[gaunt anchor]

got it, gonna stop using deadshot on recon cause its a bad idea

also trying to get long shot has been a special type of hell man

[calm shard]

huh

[molten hound]

so i guess its just better to go dumdum infernus on recon las for havoc

instead of hh infernus

[hollow ibex]

yup

[molten hound]

i do like just aiming vaguely head level at a horde of stuff and never having to reload though

[hollow ibex]

generally you should avoid from spraying at hordes with recon las tho

[wispy acorn]

Anyone have a good plasma gun build I should be using for havoc?

[drifting verge]

Which chainsword is best

[wispy acorn]

cadia

[tall torrent]

most beginner friendly is probably recon lasgun

[brazen mural]

What was the exe stance buff they made like half a year ago? Heard about it and trying to find information about it, but I am not able to see what the change was

[tall torrent]

no longer drops on swapping off ranged weapon
refresh function baked into base ability

[void dragon]

That's an ex-planet

[brazen mural]

gosh, was it that bad. No wonder I never used it after patch 13. Went from instareload and refresh heaven to tax.

[tall torrent]

what melee do u like

[wispy acorn]

I like using the knife

[floral chasm]

Who's down to play a game? EST?

[tall torrent]

what havoc lvl are u looking to beat atm

[wispy acorn]

I'm at havoc 1 because i got no one to play with

[tall torrent]

ok then smth like this ig

[wispy acorn]

thank you

[floral chasm]

I'm looking for a partner

Wanna join?

[wispy acorn]

sure

[floral chasm]

Nice

[floral chasm]

Chat in strike team 2?

[wispy acorn]

Sure, give me a few minutes, grabbing dinner

[floral chasm]

K

[wispy acorn]

Friend code: 3307285322

[floral chasm]

I'm Ken

[wispy acorn]

accepted

[brazen mural]

Hi ken, I'm Barbie

[wispy acorn]

oh

[placid notch]

is the difference between 79% mobility and 80% mobility noticeable enough to warrant rerolling?

[tall torrent]

in almost all situations, no

[brazen mural]

For me yes, as I like round numbers. For gameplay you will have a hard time noticing the difference between 60% and 80%

[tall torrent]

but if u want nice number and have enough resources, why not

[placid notch]

real

i got an 80/80/80/79/61 and just figured i’d leave it alone until i got a ludicrous amount of resources

thx guys 😉

[brazen mural]

Most of the time I have run weapons' with >70% in the important stats. That is basically good enough to to anything, at least it was what we had to deal with prior to the itemization update. I still use some of them weapons today, and they slay heretics like any other god roll as long as I know how to utilize the weapon and chosen blessings

[crystal monolith]

getting vet to level 30 after a hundred hours of exclusively zealot makes me feel like i'm wading through molasses

[hollow ibex]

early vet's pretty fuckin painful yeah

[crystal monolith]

using a combat axe without brutal momentum AAAIEEEE

[austere mica]

using a combat axe without brutal momentum AAAIEEEE

Tac axe is just better

[mellow cobalt]

Anyone else getting suppressed even though you have the talent that makes that impossible?

Is it bugged?

[tall torrent]

are u talking about suppression as in "extra ADS sway"

[mellow cobalt]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

can u show a recording of it

[mellow cobalt]

Does it not change that?

Didn't think to :/

I guess it could've just been my connection bugging out

It wasn't letting me ads for a bit and it was going in and out

[tall torrent]

that's prob connection being bad

https://youtu.be/-zENjXMBmyA

this is player-side suppression

[rose reef]

these two models whats the difference

[tall torrent]

IV uses heavy attacks for horde
XIIIg uses light attacks for pretty much everything

[hollow ibex]

in other words, they suck in slightly different ways

[rose reef]

ahhh

i feel like i've been using my powersword for literal years and i want to try something new

[heavy rover]

i've long been a focus target build. Lately i've been experimenting with weapon specialist. Combined with desperado and trench fighter drills for the rashad, goodness gracious it's addicting

[hollow ibex]

WS is very fun yeah

[mellow cobalt]

okay wait no

it was suppression then

i might be crazy

does this not look like suppression

maybe it was me being punched by the melee boys?

idk it doesn't look like that to me though?

[winter sluice]

Maybe flinch from your toughness being broken plus being fired at

[mellow cobalt]

but flinching bc of being fired at is suppression, no?

[winter sluice]

If you get hit it's a big flinch

If I remember that is

[hollow ibex]

suppression requires you to be simply shot at, it doesn't even need to hit you

[tall torrent]

it's not

it's melee hit stun

which is a different mechanic

u also had zero toughness

[mellow cobalt]

bleh

ok

[tall torrent]

if you have zero toughness, ranged attacks can stun you

but if u have >0 toughness, ranged attacks can't stun u

melee attacks will always stun player unless u have specific stun immunity stuff active

[mellow cobalt]

ah

okay

ty

[hollow ibex]

exec stance is also kinda hard to run, you can run voice of command if you want an easier time

[mellow cobalt]

bbut

i like it.......

[hollow ibex]

yeah i mean ES is very good

but it's not the easiest to play

[winter sluice]

Es is very fun

I like all of vets specials. Shout is the most viable tho

Infil I have been loving recently

With smokes

[mellow cobalt]

shout is good but it doesn't make me feel as Tacticool (tm)

[winter sluice]

I respect that

I liked running big shooty builds when I first ran vet

Like recon lasgun and as much ammo as possible

Real fun time

I hope they add the scab gunner lasgun. Like a big braced lasgun

[vernal trench]

Exec stance has practicalyl no survivability u rely entirely on ur teamates for crowd control

[winter sluice]

Yeah

[vernal trench]

Its tough to run

[supple laurel]

theyre fun though

chainsword is one of the funnest melee weapons imo

[molten hound]

Bolt gun exec stance is my guilty pleasure

[floral chasm]

I found out how to use it now

[little path]

boltgun exec is the standard for boltgun

I think it helps with breakpoints and drawing the weapon

also shredding monsters

EIther way I usually run exec because shout puts me to sleep

press f every 30 seconds, get some toughness
Amazing

[void dragon]

progress has been made, is this PS what would be considered the best?

or at least near it

[surreal gust]

Mobility would be a better dump stat wouldn’t it?

[void dragon]

see, this is the thing, stuff pinned in the channel would say otherwise, so want some opinions on what really is good on it

if it is, might make it a mk 3 and build another one when the cows fly

but would want to actually know

[tall torrent]

Not for power sword

[surreal gust]

Is there something about the power sword that makes it cleave

[tall torrent]

Yea, by turning it on

60 vs 80 cleave target is 10.9 vs 11.7 cleave

It’s not a meaningful amount of extra cleave

[surreal gust]

Oh

That makes sense

I don’t use the power sword often

[ornate ivy]

yo whats dump for plasma again?

[tame lodge]

None

@tired egret

[ornate ivy]

Gotit

[hollow ibex]

lmao

[hollow ibex]

dumbass trauma psyker explodes a burster in my face

doesn't apologize

i get kicekd

typical cunts

oh well, they definitely aren't even going to finish the mission without me carrying their asses

[tame lodge]

Good
Now you have 8 shots before overheating and auto venting
Perfect

[hollow ibex]

surprised he's not running 3 wounds

[little path]

I thought no one used the charged plasma

[hollow ibex]

the 8 shots is uncharged

[little path]

ye so charge rate should be full dumpstat right?

[hollow ibex]

no

[little path]

why, does the charged shot get used for monsters?

[hollow ibex]

charge rate affects uncharged shots

[little path]

as in the fire rate?

[hollow ibex]

yes iirc

[little path]

like how it has a mini charge up?

[hollow ibex]

either way, you don't dump charge rate

[tall torrent]

yes

that pre-fire delay is affected by charge rate

[little path]

thaz fuggin stopud

[tall torrent]

so higher charge rate = lower pre-fire delay = overall faster firerate = overall better dps

[tall torrent]

no, it's written in game

[little path]

Makes me wish it was like

charge efficiency

lower cost per shot or higher damage per shot

so that you could make either an M1 or charged plasma gun

though in practice I think that would just make a charged plasma gun ideal

[tall torrent]

if they buff power blast a lot then charged shot could be viable

[little path]

damn, my plasma is 68 and 72

very unfortunate

Does 68 give me only like 7 shots?

oh wait, I guess I could just test real quick

[tall torrent]

it's fine

go check

the real answer is 68~69

it's 68+ decimal

idk what that decimal is

so my safe recommendation is 69%

[little path]

oh bruh

is there like some hidden decimal the game doesn't show?

Hate that shit

[tall torrent]

welcome to danktide

[void dragon]

wait so plasma you want it at 69 charge?

is that a sweet spot of somekind?

[little path]

yep, my plasma only shoots 7

amazing

[tall torrent]

yes

[tall torrent]

yikes

[void dragon]

wait so its 71 or 69 the sweet spot?

damned numbers

[little path]

69 thermal, 71 charge rate

everything else 80

[tall torrent]

look at what I sent

plasma is actually not the only gun with a weird perfect distribution

there's another

[little path]

which one

[tall torrent]

ogryn's ripper gun

you want 80 dmg, 80 range and specifically 66 ammo

[little path]

who even uses those things

[tall torrent]

collateral and stability don't matter much

[void dragon]

today im learning

[tall torrent]

66 ammo maximizes ammo reserve while keeping mag size at 19

specifically under 20

therefore u gain 1 blaze away and inspiring barrage stack per shot

instead of per 2 shots

it's a pretty big difference

if ur broke then dump ammo to 60

u only lose 5 reserve ammo

no big deal

[little path]

I both like and dislike specific stat spreads

adds more thought and variety

[tall torrent]

good news is that there're only 2 guns in the entire game with these specific stat spreads

[little path]

makes it more annoying to roll for

[tall torrent]

I don't think there's anything else

or am bothered to find them

tbh

[little path]

either way, guess I gotta get a new plasma

fun

[tall torrent]

u can technically go for like

super niche stat spreads like

going above 76 burn does nothing for flamer so u can get 64 dmg instead of 60

but it's ultimately irrelevant in function

unlike plasma / ripper

[little path]

main thing I want is for curio stats to be slightly reworked

instead of specifically sniper or pox bomber reductions

wish it was ranged reduction or elite enemy reduction

and also the values are bumped higher

that way an ogryn could get full toughness then a shit load of ranged reduction to turn into a turret

[tall torrent]

ogryn already has a metric ton of DR

[little path]

But it sadly isn't enough to survive like 10 shooters

[tall torrent]

in what, havoc?

[little path]

10 was a number I pulled outta my ass

Guess I just mean like

wish it was high enough that slightly concentrated fire doesn't immediately shred him

but yeah havoc is an example of way too many shooters instantly shredding him

especially with the toughness grace period modifier

[tall torrent]

but they don't?

[ornate ivy]

any advice on combat knife goonery? i see some guides be goofing with lacerate/Ripost but the quickguide in pins say avoid otherwise

[tall torrent]

unless u just stand there and take hits

[tall torrent]

5 good blessings
uncanny
riposte
flesh tearer
precog
executor (for VI)
lacerate is ok kinda for III purely because the light atks' angles are pretty bad for multi-weakspot hits

[hollow ibex]

and you'll want weapon specialist

[ornate ivy]

i've seen one guide dump mobility/dmg and one balancing all stats to 76. what's the play?

[tall torrent]

idk why they would

mobility doesn't change it that much

u get like 0.09m/s faster sprint with stamina

[hollow ibex]

are you looking at games lantern builds?

76 is the default balance of stats on gameslantern

so it's possible that the poster just didn't bother with the stat sliders when making the build

[onyx urchin]

im thinkin of getting a bolt pistol for my middle path veteran, a shotgun just isnt ranged enough for me. what kinda stas should i aim for?

there's this one fer sale in the armory, is it any good?

[strong ginkgo]

dump mobility, and 80's in everything else, like normal, i'd say

[onyx urchin]

aye i can do that

i'll be using a sword most of the time anyway, the boltgun is for taking out distant threats

[past oriole]

stealth tac axe build is working as intended (bad)

[strong ginkgo]

X-D

agile is good

[onyx urchin]

this good enough? or should i roll some more

[grand perch]

good enough if you want to save on material

[onyx urchin]

alrighty, now i just gotta master it and i'll set it up the way i want

cool

[tall torrent]

Collateral dump

[strong ginkgo]

there's an argument for collateral if you are using it as a sniper because you don't want to make them flop around so you can pop heads. i haven't really tested both vs. each other to know if it is just "reddit wisdom" X-D i'm pretty sure the amount of movement difference vs. the amount of stagger effect difference is most likely gonna be apples and oranges.

you're safe dumping either one probably.

[ornate ivy]

i like stability dump if you're going for magdumps, i like when general hordes in front of you turn to fine red mist

if you need to snipe make that first shot count tho

[narrow frost]

I dump damage

[little path]

Anyone got plasma gun build?

or is it just generic shout build?

[ornate ivy]

Reference this @little path

[little path]

not what I meant

[ornate ivy]

im doing a knife bleed plasma build that goes takes focus target

[lethal geode]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I HATE ON OVERWATCH AND EVERYSHOT COUNTS I KNEEEEL

[strong ginkgo]

X-D

i got on overwatch earlier tongith finally

every shot counts i still haven't

[lethal geode]

i was on track to do both, then my computer crashed :)))) darktided eated up all the resources

[strong ginkgo]

ohnoez

classic crashtide

[ornate ivy]

@little path

[strong ginkgo]

maybe i should just get a grey revolver with ammo dump-statted to do everyshot counts and just poke people all matchX-D

[ornate ivy]

running this atm, you can replace +Focus stacks for Iron Will

[little path]

why not take superiority complex

[ornate ivy]

If you manage stacks, you can still hit breakpoints w/ plasma

i want to use the dodge for crit chance to kill stuff, but its really depending on what you're comfortable with

[little path]

It's close to generic shout build

I'm mainly trying to consider if I want survivalist or fire team

If I remember correctly survivalist gives like 1 ammo or something

[strong ginkgo]

i would prolly switch close quarters killzone for superiority complex

you need permanent +15% vs. elites more than you need occasional 10 seconds of +15 vs everything probably

everything close&

[ornate ivy]

you guys are right

[woeful lantern]

hi gm, this cool for a "ranged" vet? if i use lasgun i take the crit no ammo use instead of 60sec free grenade

[uncut pebble]

Holy crap that talent tree hurts to look at.

You are way overinvesting in talents up top and in your keystone.

[trim steppe]

ditch all the top left talents to start with

[uncut pebble]

Gimme a second and I'll give you a talent setup that won't explode the moment you fight in melee.

[woeful lantern]

i dont melee xd i just shout.. gimme ammmmooooo

works mostly

[woeful lantern]

kk ty 🙂

[strong ginkgo]

top right talents i would get rid of, not left

[uncut pebble]

Use this.

[grand perch]

oh no no

top left is awful

absolutely go right or middle

[woeful lantern]

gonna check it out, thx

[uncut pebble]

Unfortunately marksmans focus is a terrible keystone.

[woeful lantern]

frag nade better ? krak seems good for bosses and stuf

[uncut pebble]

Focus target will be much more helpful to you as a keystone as it actually functions in melee and helps with boss damage.

[uncut pebble]

Shredders are good for pathing and are objectively the best grenade.

You can stagger bosses with them and throw everything to the floor.

Two shredders kills all chaff in a room.

[woeful lantern]

allright

[little path]

marksman focus is only good for bolter

[grand perch]

îts not terrible but certainly has the highest skill ceiling

[woeful lantern]

i love bolter tho

[grand perch]

and skill floor

[little path]

Either way

if you want to use the bolter

it's best to make a different loadout and skill tree for it

using lasguns or autoguns needs a different build to bolter

not hugely different but different enough

[strong ginkgo]

when did the right tree get absorbed into meta? i guess people are prefering swap speed for boltgun? the only thing in the right side that looks worth it is the movement speed.

[past oriole]

weapon specialist

[junior grail]

Weapon Specialist

Voted best keystone for Vet

[strong ginkgo]

i meant top right

[uncut pebble]

Out for blood is cracked, weapon specialist is super overtuned, and agile engagement is rather good.

[woeful lantern]

tbh on vet i try to keep the melee-ing close to 0.. and works almost everygame

[past oriole]

ya its good because people like to run weapon specialist

[junior grail]

The toughness on kill

[strong ginkgo]

weapon specialist has always seemed good

[hollow ibex]

don't do this

please don't do this

[uncut pebble]

O4B turns 5% toughness on melee kill to 10% and makes literally everything you do generate 5% toughness.

[past oriole]

i usually go center still

[hollow ibex]

for the love of god don't do this.

[woeful lantern]

why not 😦 stuff dies right.. pipl happy

[uncut pebble]

That's shredder kills, whether direct or bleed, dot's, or ranged kills.

All of them give 5% toughness.

[hollow ibex]

90% of the time, vet is a hybrid melee-shooter class

[strong ginkgo]

because of the left top tree having to be ranged kills?

[hollow ibex]

there are very few builds where you're primarily using your ranged

if you want pure ranged, go psyker

[uncut pebble]

Anyway now I go study how to build a crane in terraria to make this build not look like shite.

[little path]

If it works it works

but generally at highest difficulties or like havoc 20+

[hollow ibex]

ok but if you're using literally nothing but your gun

[little path]

0 melee vet is like

[hollow ibex]

you're prob hoovering up 80% of the ammo on the map

unless you're using helbore

[little path]

it's like uuuuuh

you can kill 20 dudes sure

but what about the other 80 running at you still?

[woeful lantern]

50% ammo .. i do share, and havoc 20 succeed, not super eazy.. but they turned lv30 few mins ago

[hollow ibex]

50% ammo

learn2melee

[little path]

wait so you turned level 30 a few minutes ago?

[woeful lantern]

yea people hate me.. but i help them after getting downed so they share with me.. there ammo hungry lil bro

[grand perch]

havoc 30

[woeful lantern]

well i did sleep some in between but yea

[little path]

I'm surprised people let you into their parties for havoc 20

[hollow ibex]

please get a rashad and learn to melee, it is very good and powerful