veteran-class

[tall torrent]

Then u played it wrong

[vernal trench]

na

some situations its just unavoidable

shit situations

sometimes u realyl jsut get unlucky

[tall torrent]

Staying invisible for too long is one easy mistake most people tend to make

[vernal trench]

u pretty much have to in some cases

that extra few seconds invis is means few seconds less cd

and that can be fatal if u didnt have it

[broken spade]

you can't exactly turn off low profile once it's active either

[vernal trench]

i mean it depends on build but with i run bolter i cant pull it out one shot or two shot a specialist for quick toughness regen constantly

[vernal trench]

yea thats actually oen thing i wish uc an do

cuz i would bring it if i can turn it off at will when i need to pull enemies back into me

[broken spade]

like it's easy to tell someone not to drop aggro for too long but low profile is forcing 10 seconds regardless

[vernal trench]

some maps u cant afford to have everthing on u in tight corridors

its also useless if ur entirelyt alone

they wil attack u anwyay

[hearty panther]

your threat is reduced but you're not 'invisible'. you can very easily take that aggro back by, y'know, attacking shit

[vernal trench]

it wont work for ranged

[tall torrent]

U can

Enemies prioritize the player that attacks them with highest damage

Hit many things at the same time and you can force low profile to stop working for you

[hearty panther]

gunners are only exempt in that they will not stop their attack volley once it starts unless knocked out of it

[terse idol]

Well to be fair any tight corridor situation you do kinda want to just push as hard as possible to get to a better place

[vernal trench]

ye

[vernal trench]

yea o rinfinitely kite them ntil they die

[terse idol]

I'm thinking of like the catwalk in the prison

[vernal trench]

prison?

[hearty panther]

after the airlock?

[vernal trench]

the corridors in warren especially

[tall torrent]

That map is not even in havoc

[vernal trench]

what map is prison

wahts the name

[tall torrent]

Magistrati oubliette

[broken spade]

Assassination mission?

[tropic halo]

I am not gonna memorize that name

[tropic halo]

Yes

[terse idol]

I thought this was talking in general

Not about infil use in havoc 😭

[tall torrent]

Well

Chonky is havoc addict and generally challenged

So I assumed he was talking about havoc

[terse idol]

[vernal trench]

ea im talking about ahvocs

but i mean it applies to everthing as well

but ofc havocs r very different to playstiles

playstykes

[latent parcel]

Did someone say havoc?!

[vernal trench]

na i play heresy sorry

[wanton dawn]

I play the same in havoc

[vernal trench]

did htey nerf the spawn sin havoc

cuz its been so empty this game and the last game

[latent parcel]

Nah

[calm shard]

be nice if it lasted 10 seconds like every other vet damage boost

[latent parcel]

I need to cycle for a new 40.

[vernal trench]

dude im in a 40 rn

ima fking half the game to type here cuz its so dumb

[tall torrent]

I feel like they fixed the spawns for some other maps

[vernal trench]

idk it just feels emptier than usual for whatever reason

[burnt vortex]

Bistol or zarona revolver for special and gunner one tapping?

[pale pecan]

aura

[molten gazelle]

Seriously lol

[wise fossil]

Any standard shovel enjoyers? I like my Bistol grenadier build and I want to use Uncanny on shovel to get better bleed ticks. Is SC or Decimator a better pair for Uncanny on standard issue shovel?

[calm shard]

skullcrusher is way way better

special into push attack does half a crushers health

[past oriole]

ok infilitrate chainaxe felt kind of booboo

[hollow ibex]

That's just chaxe

[warm idol]

what helm is that

[past oriole]

i thought ppl were gassing up chaxe recently

[wise fossil]

Thanks

[calm shard]

it's likely modded

[past oriole]

what about infilitrate tac axe thats another weapon type i tried once and never tried again

[hollow ibex]

It's never been good

[wise fossil]

Really? It's one of the clunkiest weapons

[balmy flume]

Damn nice drip.

[warm idol]

figures, it looked too good to be something fatshark would put out

[hollow ibex]

Works yeah, i use it with mk4 and just light spam

[wise fossil]

I think your problem is Infiltrate NGL

[hollow ibex]

Very safe combo

[calm shard]

it's pretty close to what the Zealots version of the havoc helmet looks like

[past oriole]

yeah infilitrate feels kinda meh too

really long CD

[hollow ibex]

The CD sucks but the ability is good

I don't even feel the CD anymore

[warm idol]

honestly all I want is a kasrkin style helmet

[past oriole]

it probably needs a good weapon to feel good with

[warm idol]

ideally with a neck cover

[wise fossil]

It just doesn't really do anything that you want without insane point investment

[past oriole]

and that isnt chaxe

[hollow ibex]

People just get too used to crutching on VOC

[warm idol]

it's also a massive shame how we get a scion helm but no scion armor

[hollow ibex]

And don't know how to play vet without it

[wise fossil]

Nah, not really. I use exec stance regularly. I even have an infiltrate build specifically for train mission

[hollow ibex]

Talking about the average vet

Based on the people I see in pubs, it's like 80 percent VOC

[warm idol]

voc is just comfy

I don't really think there is a situation where ever having VOC is a bad thing

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I mean I think it's overall the best vet ability lol

[calm shard]

why is this black version of veterans trenchcoat cosmetic not in the game

[warm idol]

exec and infiltrate actually need some brain to use

[warm idol]

there's a shitton of cosmetics that are in the files since launch

but haven't been released

for some reason

[calm shard]

yeah I know I'm lookin' at em

[warm idol]

like a proper green camo version of the heavy flak vest

I blame the fomo store partially

they really should just have a catalogue where you can pick w/e armor you want and have the rotation just be discounts

[calm shard]

the funniest part about that one in particular is it was leaked as one of the 800 aquila cosmetics lmao

[warm idol]

because let's be real 90% of the stuff we get in the store are garbage

[warm idol]

I honestly want this

[calm shard]

yeah that's the one I'm talking about

[pseudo fiber]

Turn on the extra stuff in the settings there's more

[calm shard]

BACK IN MY DAY

[warm idol]

I remember back near launch it was leaked alongside a bunch of other stuff and I was like

[calm shard]

we used to have just chest+pants cosmetics sets in the commodores that were 800 aquilas

[warm idol]

"will be in the store soon enough"

[calm shard]

and that green cadian flak vest was leaked as one of them

[warm idol]

oh yeah they just increased the price of cosmetics

like why

[pseudo fiber]

Makes more money?

[calm shard]

but then fatshark started making everything more expensive and provide less content for the money you gave

and just shelved every cosmetic that wasn't 2400 aquilas

[warm idol]

all it really does is make me wanna spend less

especially with how much of the store is just re-releases

[pseudo fiber]

I mean we've got 2100 stuff too

[wise fossil]

Infiltrate needs the Exec stance treatment where some of the nodes get baked in

[warm idol]

I remember when they first released the armageddon set

it was cheaper than the current armor bundles

AND came with a lasgun skin

[calm shard]

it also came with a combat sword skin

but nobody cares

so

[warm idol]

nah it came with a sickass lasgun skin

[calm shard]

or was it a shovel skin

[wise fossil]

IMO the best 'nerf' to VoC would be to move demolition stockpile here

[calm shard]

yeah it was a shovel skin it also came with

lasgun+shovel skin

and the armageddon outfit

[warm idol]

oh yeah true

I kinda forgot about the shovel skin

[calm shard]

costs less than the outfit bundles we get today

[pseudo fiber]

And the aquila weapon charm too

[warm idol]

last time they brought something cool in the store imo was either the enforcer or elysian cosmetics

[hollow ibex]

That'd help with the garbo pathing

[vernal trench]

Pic?

Elysian i mean

[uncut pebble]

That just means people would be able to take field improv with no repercussions...

[vernal trench]

Ah

[vernal trench]

Thats pretty cool

Ahat is that recon skin

What

[tall torrent]

this armor is super buggy

[warm idol]

judging by the stuff he has on the recon

[warm idol]

weapon customisation mod

[calm shard]

is the shitty recolor of it they actually released also buggy

[wise fossil]

And? Field improv is a nice bonus, demo stockpile is too good to skip

[tall torrent]

the kasrkin camo version is buggy
so the green one is also gonna be buggy when it eventually releases

[warm idol]

it's funny how they charge extra and still release buggy skins

[uncut pebble]

I'm saying it wouldn't be a nerf at all.

You'd just have every vet taking field improv to take voc.

[calm shard]

field improv barely feels like a bonus at all more than half the time

garbage ass perk

[uncut pebble]

L take.

[tall torrent]

nah
twinned blast for frags

[calm shard]

hell yeah let me invest a skill point into MAYBE possibly getting value out of a perk...4 times

when you could get 0

because you don't find every crate

[uncut pebble]

It's a great talent, only overshadowed because not taking demo stockpile means youre throwing and you typically don't have the points to grab it, despite it only costing 1 on basically every build.

[calm shard]

or only 2 because it doesn't spawn all 4

and you're also a veteran so you barely get value out of the grenade spam since you already regen grenades

[uncut pebble]

I'm like 99% sure the game can't not spawn all 4 crates.

[calm shard]

other people can get value out of it like ogryn spamming nuke grenade

you as the veteran don't get much from that

[uncut pebble]

You sure your teammates aren't just grabbing them and not putting them down?

[calm shard]

med kits healing more, faster, and corruption is like okay

[wise fossil]

That's why 'nerf' is in quotes. It's not really a nerf, but one of the biggest reasons people always pick VoC is because stockpile feels like a must-have and they need the points

[tall torrent]

it always spawns them but it’s up to the team to go find them

[wise fossil]

Makes it a lot easier to pick stance or infiltrate without wasting points

[uncut pebble]

I was just stating that they're wrong about the game not spawning them.

[hollow ibex]

I think field improv is very nice to have

But I rarely have points for it outside of havoc

[tall torrent]

It’s not worth taking

Most of the time

[calm shard]

If I wasn't using a UI mod that makes Field Improv crates highlighted in red I wouldn't even notice or think about it at all

It's such a nothing talent

[tall torrent]

It is really nice for penances that need grenade kills

[uncut pebble]

I think you give it significantly less credit than it's worth, tbh.

[tall torrent]

But not that relevant usually

[calm shard]

I give it as much credit as I see value out of it from personally using it on several builds, and every other rando vet running it

Which is not much

Because it doesn't do much

And I'm using a mod that makes it so that I know that someone is running it, and still barely see use for it

[pale pecan]

It's the Cadian Veteran Flak Helm

[pale pecan]

Precisely why I kitbash my own stuff

It would be cool see other people's drip, but alas, I don't think fatshark would allow a mod like that that.

But who knows, maybe when Darktide is dead in a decade lol

[indigo totem]

I reckon duty and honour can lose 5s, VoC could do + 10 sec CD, but really i think the actual culprit is fucking tactical awareness 4 seconds would be fine on that

[wise fossil]

Yeah, tactical is too good. Probably just need to change how yellow toughness works or maybe make VOC not yellow toughness

[thorn lark]

Havoc try hards in shambles

[thorn lark]

Every time i ran it for zealots and ogryns they didn't even use their nades

[gaunt anchor]

How does yellow toughness work? I thought it was just the same but you know, overflow

[thorn lark]

There's no bleed through

[gaunt anchor]

So attacks can't hit through toughness into your actual HP?

[tall torrent]

As long as you have 1 overtoughness, you can’t take health damage from all sources

[burnt vortex]

Revolver mastery skin looks like a flare gun 😭

[junior grail]

Are fan revolver builds still decent?

Look to test some variety

[burnt vortex]

They pew pew pretty good.

[tame lodge]

Alan Wake build

[burnt vortex]

I want rannicks fancy ass handgun

[tame lodge]

You want some boss killing action?

[junior grail]

Yus pwease

[hollow ibex]

Only meme builds lol

[junior grail]

I mean, if they are viable meme builds...

Not like I plan to take them to Havoc or anything haha

[junior grail]

Just to spice up damnation once in a while

[burnt vortex]

Thought you couldn't do that cowboy nonsense anymore

[junior grail]

Yea I heard smth like that

[hollow ibex]

Agrivolver was only ever buffed iirc

[junior grail]

Ohh? Buffed how?

[hollow ibex]

Got a bit of cleave

I don't believe it received other changes but could be wrong

[junior grail]

I see, just wondering if fan rev build is any different from last time

[pseudo fiber]

it got some cleave ya

[gaunt anchor]

oh boy the hellbore is

odd.

if its sights didn't suck that would be nice

[austere mica]

the wonderful world of being able to put the laspistol sights on everything

[gaunt anchor]

it feels better to hip fire this thing 😭

[brazen mural]

That looks scarily much like good old Bountyhunter with "fak-off gun"

[brazen mural]

Does this build work now?

[gaunt anchor]

yeah man it feels so

weird

[brazen mural]

Will try this toworrow then

[junior grail]

You could get the weapon customisation mod if on pc

Or if you have the cash, buy the Krieg skin helbore which has a better ironsight

[tame lodge]

Best ranged weapon in the game baybeeeee

And that's not biased me saying that

Just force yourself through the bad draw speed

🗣️

[junior grail]

What's your preferred mark?

I am curious to try the stabby shoot shoot stab helbore build

[tame lodge]

It's the Mk4
Hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game
It just doesn't stab, it slashes

If you want stab it's 3 or 5

3 is the middle ground

5 charges faster but hits slightly less harder

[gaunt anchor]

is marksman focus even worth it??

it feels like its just really bad in terms of everything

it wants you to not move to build up stacks, but staying still in tide is like a death sentance

[tame lodge]

It's a niche pick on certain weapons

[trim steppe]

It's the worst keystone. It has some niche uses but generally the other ones work better

[tame lodge]

It's a LOT of finesse

[gaunt anchor]

I wish it wasn't tied to movement tbh

[tame lodge]

Wrong

It's not really

It wants you to hit heads

[trim steppe]

Losing stacks on movement is paused when you get weakspot hits, so it's not terribly hard to keep stacks up. But it's still very niche

[tame lodge]

3 seconds of moving on weakspot hits

6 seconds on weakspot kills

[gaunt anchor]

hm I see, maybe I should change over to the special ping

[tame lodge]

It's not about standing still

[gaunt anchor]

cause it means I can mark targets and snipe them from afar

[tame lodge]

Yeah mark helps with breakpoints as well

[gaunt anchor]

I see, mark is my favorite of the three

I wish specalist let you stack more melee and marksman makes me sad

[trim steppe]

Mark is good. Weapon spec is my most used tho, it's so damn good. And using its subnode to never reload is excellent

[gaunt anchor]

oh hellbore can get surgical

my favorite

[trim steppe]

I play pretty aggressively most of the time so I'm always in melee and pausing to snipe threats. Makes weapon spec very worthwhile

[tame lodge]

It's basically what turns the ammo neutral Helbore into ammo positive Helbore

[gaunt anchor]

tasty tasty free crits

[tame lodge]

Paired with Shock Trooper that is

[trim steppe]

I wish I liked helbore. But it just doesn't jive with my Darktide playstyle. I can't do it

[past oriole]

tac axe mk vii actually doesnt feel as bad as i thought it would

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-toy-story-paralyzed-hand-not-working-gif-16546906

[junior grail]

It doesn't feel bad because everything below the wrist has gone numb from using tac axe haha

[past oriole]

ive played melty blood mashing is in my genes

[hollow ibex]

now try mk4

[past oriole]

the stat spread on the hammer of the emperor for that mk isnt very good though

[hollow ibex]

yeah mk7's prob a bit better

[past oriole]

[hollow ibex]

but mk4 is funny

https://steamusercontent-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/10799315608132240/BE83438FCB871D82112D9EA60FAB1BAE3432CC3B/

on zealot, but you get the idea

light spam

[past oriole]

LOL

2 frames of animation

[loud belfry]

you're gonna need that attack speed to kill the crushers within 10 years

[hollow ibex]

yeah with max attack speed it kinda breaks the animation

[hollow ibex]

the dps against crusher isn't horrible actually, even on vet

900-1.1k

[tame lodge]

Tac bad

[past oriole]

ya its pretty bad but i only used it once when i was really learning the game

and i absolutely hated it

coming back to it now i was just bad

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-drumpf-trump-stupid-gif-6220235

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/hannibal-buress-right-booing-gif-13861878

[past oriole]

feels like it should have more armor damage but instead it works better vs hordes which is weird

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/a-few-good-men-you-cant-handle-the-truth-jack-nicholson-gif-19436076

(taxe is good)

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/terry-crews-turkey-take-it-annoyed-pissed-off-gif-8286871

https://tenor.com/view/vcnsju-gif-18091716

[cloud thunder]

Don’t speak Spanish or whatever that is. But I can read lips!

[loud belfry]

is Portuguese

[past oriole]

i speak phonk

[keen grotto]

my fellow guardsman

have we yet to have a gun that has the capacity of a accatran lasgun but the suppression & stopping power of a braced autogun?

[hollow ibex]

recon las?

[terse idol]

Yuhh

[junior grail]

Not many call it as accatran haha, I used to but that's because I read up on its lore before the game came out haha

Supposedly if the Hotshot lasgun is released then it should fit those requirements

A laser braced autogun

[serene bough]

thanks fatshark

2 DHs right next to one another

[placid notch]

what is considered the most consistently effective melee weapon for the veteran, going into higher difficulties? i’ve been using the power sword with PC/BM for a while, but i’d like to switch it up

[rugged lark]

Devil’s Claw is consistent, knife is good, dueling sword is boring but simply the best right now

[tame lodge]

It's the Rashad

You might need some melee talents but it's the Rashad

[placid notch]

i’ve heard the same sentiment about the rashad, i think i’ll try that next 🙂

[supple laurel]

tink tink tink tink tink tink tink

[placid notch]

does it pair well with plasma or would i be better off with something like the revolver?

sorry for all the questions i’m p new to this game still

[supple laurel]

use las pistol and weapon specialist

perfect combo

weapon specialist makes the rashad do faster slashy slashys!!!

[placid notch]

las pistol, rashad and weapons spec…interesting

very very interesting

let me go do some shopping

[supple laurel]

with the combo, kill something with your las pistol to get the melee bonus on weapons specialist, rinse and repeat

rashad swing time is ungodly slow so with weapon specialist it helps it swing faster by alot

[placid notch]

doesn’t it work inversely - melee for ranged stack, ranged for melee stack ?

[supple laurel]

spam light for hordes, spam heavies for single target, and special attack to stun

[sick isle]

kill with melee to get ranged stack, swap to ranged to consume ranged stack and get buff, vice versa

[supple laurel]

yeah like i said. kill something with your pistol, then swap to rashad to get the bonus

[placid notch]

you guys are awesome. thanks for the tips, gonna go grab these two things rn and build em

[supple laurel]

.

also combat axe because apparently it didnt screenshot the second time

run these on your axe and pistol, dumpstat mobility as usual for both

[hollow ibex]

you really want dumdum on laspis

infernus on laspis kinda meh tbh

[placid notch]

i’ll happily try both

i love finding new weps to love

[supple laurel]

works well in combination with ghost

[hollow ibex]

dumdum is non-negotiable

[supple laurel]

you should only be hitting headshots with infernus + ghost

[hollow ibex]

you can take infernus/ghost/desperado as the second slot

[rose reef]

Is the devils claw any good ya think?

[supple laurel]

[placid notch]

lol first CA i found was 80/80/80/60/80 lfg

[supple laurel]

nice

i still havent gotten a perfect caxe

mostly because i cant give 2 fucks over an extra 3% on first target

[hollow ibex]

Mid, carried by its gimmick

[tame lodge]

Sucks against flak

[rose reef]

;-; ur right

[hollow ibex]

Yeah most unfortunate lol

[placid notch]

aw shit i just realized i get desperado next level 😎

[junior grail]

What about Infernus + Dumdum?

[supple laurel]

ghost is a must imo but it depends on playstyle

[junior grail]

What about that Crit Blessing for Laspistol?

Is it worth? Haven't tried

Afaik laspistol has good crit already

[serene bough]

i dont think the crit blessings outweight dumdum + ghost combo

[hollow ibex]

It'd be dumdum and desperado

Which isn't bad

[crude fiber]

noticed something useless but neat. if you charge the mark 6 powersword after your 1st attack and do a the heavy 2, its a down diagonal instead of an upper diagonal

[junior grail]

I wish more weapons have a sprint attack like Relic Sword

[sick isle]

nerf DS by making the pokes only accessible through sprint attacks

[trim badger]

I might need to say that duelling sword + plasma feels like steroids

[gilded wraith]

can the recon MK14 cleave the moebians?

[vernal trench]

No way its hobomancer

[placid notch]

dueling sword looks fun asffff

never tried it

axe is fucking bonkers tho

[trim badger]

It's very OP yeah

[crude fiber]

dont let the people with thousands of hours see you say that. theyll get angry

[trim badger]

You can swoosh around poking heada

I hope that whenever they nerf, they keep this aspect of it

Because god it is fun

[placid notch]

hey man overpowered or underpowered, if it’s fun to play i’ll enjoy it

[tame lodge]

With all the justified reasons

[austere mica]

Its extremely boring

[keen grotto]

For real, The 6th have but we cant

[junior grail]

I suppose the mk 5 duelling sword seems the most "balanced" haha

[austere mica]

It just has extremely funny mobility

(and is still a DS so it does cracked damage)

[unreal nova]

Dump pen for extra funnies.

Not my fault if you end up flying should you do that and run WS btw.

[latent parcel]

@unreal nova is ready for some 40's

[vernal trench]

@tired egret

[latent parcel]

[vernal trench]

[steep flower]

Maaan, i was earlier looking for some games and nobody wanted to do havocs

[light ridge]

Guess Mister E was right

[austere mica]

Be specific before the entire chat drops on you

[grand perch]

I mean he's talking about what is immediately above

[frank basin]

Atoma

[thorn lark]

It's different in some regions. In OCE all the high skilled players already have premades.

[light ridge]

He made a video that Havoc was dead, now people complain nobody wants to play Havoc
I.e. ...

[light ridge]

Not to be taken seriously, obviously

[steep flower]

I meant there were no havoc lobbies in here when i was up while i struggled to fall asleep some of my pals had games

[steep flower]

I don’t care about ‚highly skilled players’; being with average ppl is also good; just nobody to do havocs this time around

As long as they are chatty & are not stiff as a brick while playing

[solar monolith]

try the weekends

[steep flower]

Any day is good for high lv havoc mah lad

[grand perch]

I'm confused as to why my plasma bot is being pinged

[frank basin]

?

[grand perch]

This one

[vernal trench]

was checking plasma stats

[grand perch]

Oh k

[normal bay]

I might have an addiction to the double barrel shotty

Did not expect to have that much fun with it

[tropic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[dull kettle]

I NEED HELP GRINDING ZEALOT MY ACCOUNT GOT RESET

[hot nest]

Yeah, It's really fun and powerful on vet wp. specialist but meh on others

[uncut pebble]

Spamming other channels isn't going to help. Go look in the vox channels for help.

[dull kettle]

SORRY IM NEW TO DISCORD

[tropic halo]

Not much need for caps too we all here

[hot nest]

True reject

[dull kettle]

sorry i didnt realise caps were on

[native robin]

What's a good/fun auto pistol build? I realised I've never touched one before and never really saw them being used

[pseudo fiber]

None

Zero

[pallid jetty]

the one which staggers a lot

autopistol is good only at staggering

and suppression but nobody fucking uses this one of the most useful mechanic anyway

[native robin]

I figured it was pretty bad based on the nearly none existent userbase. Just trying to cobble together something somewhat viable to get those mastery levels out of the way

[uncut pebble]

You don't need to even use it.

Just buy a bunch of em from brunt, upgrade them to green, then sacrifice them.

25 or so autopistols later, boom, mastery done.

[hot nest]

I only use it on Zealot just for mastery and fun, like a true side-arm wepon. But on vet... ouch

[native robin]

Hmmm, probably not a bad idea to shift the mastery grind to my zealot instead

[hot nest]

Yeah

[native robin]

Was considering it since I got transcendent drop sitting somewhere in my vets inventory and I don't think I have one on my zealot

[hot nest]

I run something like this I guess. its just ok.

[tame lodge]

BA PF for Trapper reasons
Or Inspiring for oh shit I need toughness moments

[brazen mural]

Is this guide still "correct" for veteran? https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/veteran-talent-analysis-quintessential-build/100323

[tall torrent]

No

Quite wrong in a lot of areas actually

[brazen mural]

Are there any good guides that give a rough idea of what is good and not?

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/984525651904176209/1327912507150565436/IMG_2005.png?ex=67b98665&is=67b834e5&hm=a9313ca0d3d1e93a325e9c981263b3c98af43f48020bf6913d295510ef9af7eb&

[brazen mural]

Like, we are not playing* havoc. Just teaching a pal how to play the game, but my knowledge of veteran is pretty bad atm

[tall torrent]

Standard entry level veteran build for non-havoc

Havoc build will usually look quite different due to ammo reduction

[brazen mural]

thx

[grand perch]

longshit marked green

we didnt even pass the first point without BS

[calm shard]

tbf if you don't know how the game considers "close range"

it sounds like an okay talent

like the whole list looks like it was made by someone who doesn't know how any of the games mechanics that it doesn't tell you about work

which is unsurprising because the game doesn't tell you about them

[gaunt anchor]

With vet

should I go standard 2 tough 1 max health?

or 1 tough, 1 stam and 1 health

[calm shard]

2 tough 1 stam is what I run

[gaunt anchor]

got it got it 🫡

[formal ice]

Its preference and build

Oh you want to run on front and get your teammates dead?

3 stamina curios rhen

[tall torrent]

It’s good

[hollow ibex]

If you do pubbies a lot, 2 hp 1 toughness imo

[tall torrent]

Stamina is nice but not required for most weapons / builds

Usually 1 health + 1 toughness + flex (health / toughness / stamina)

[gaunt anchor]

got it got it

I am using a VoC with shovel and hellbore

[trim steppe]

Im partial to 1 of each, personally. Having extra stamina feels so nice

[gaunt anchor]

I am using deadshot too

[hollow ibex]

[gaunt anchor]

also with focus target to help tell the karkesr who to kill

[hollow ibex]

what gun?

[gaunt anchor]

Hellbore

[hollow ibex]

you really don't need deadshit on helbore 🤔

[gaunt anchor]

I mean its an extra like

half second I don't need to surgical for?

[hollow ibex]

it's just overkill imo

helbore gets the good version of surgical

and you have to charge it anyway, which lets surgical build

and you don't need to crit every shot unless you're going for the crusher one shot (in which case you're using the slowest and most surgical friendly variant anyway)

helbore builds do lack other general utility besides shooting shit though, so hp/tough is very good

it's not like deadshot is the worst decision ever, but i don't think it's a great idea either

[tall torrent]

You shouldn’t be relying on surgical

Consider it a passive benefit

[wise fossil]

What's the skullcrusher interaction with shredder grenades? They apply the stacks only if the enemies are already staggered?

[past oriole]

i wonder if ill ever try havoc

[tall torrent]

Skullcrusher can only be applied from pushes & attacks from melee weapon

[wise fossil]

Okay thanks. I searched and found a comment from a few months ago claiming that double frag applies the stacks

[tame lodge]

1-10 is malice difficulty

So yeah you should try the first couple levels

[past oriole]

yeah i got told that

its just the party finding stuff that makes me never really jump into it

i just like cannonballing in with quickplay

[hollow ibex]

Same QP enjoyer as well

[past oriole]

i should probably do it for the drip eventually though

[trim steppe]

Its been 11 weeks and I'm only at like 28/50 lol. That drip'll be mine eventually

[hollow ibex]

Ugh I'm prob at like 5 lmao

[trim steppe]

Been doing 1/week for the time gated 20 chests penance. Usually like a 25 for ease to just knock it out. Then if I find a 40 on the board I'll try to do that for extra resources that week.

[brazen mural]

I am at 0, lol

But I want that verteran skin, as it is eggsy af

[trim badger]

Yeah I want that armor too

[inner temple]

Eggsy

[mellow cobalt]

Every time I get matched with a teammate who has the tempestus scions helmet the more I want it

Its so sick

[inner temple]

Nice pfp loved that one tbh.

[grand perch]

randomly get havoc 40 tier list for veteran recommended by youtube. fresh on reginald's channel

chainsword above combat axes at a tier

[latent parcel]

hell yea. you didnt know?!

[grand perch]

close video

[terse idol]

What the heeeelll

[tropic notch]

This is so good I should totally listen to this dude

[tropic halo]

Pswords W

[last marten]

uh ds, ps and rashad and then everything else

🙏😌

[tropic notch]

caxe and dclaw are A teir definitely I love the dclaw on vet

[last marten]

taxe... my beloved 😔

[tropic notch]

This makes me angry I can’t stop looking at it

[tired aspen]

Heavy Laspistol

Best mark/variant of it?

Best perks and stuff?

I am slowly getting everything to mastery 20

[tame lodge]

Mk2

Mk2 and mk10 have pretty similar stats but Mk2 has higher dps

Ghost Dumdum

Maniacs with Flak or Elites

[mellow cobalt]

Am I doing something wrong or does rhe hellbore lasgun just kinda suck

[tame lodge]

Do you have surgical?

[mellow cobalt]

It takes so long to unsheath, so long to charge up and do any appreciable damage, and even then the damage it does is not enough to justify how slooooow it is

[mellow cobalt]

What dat

[tame lodge]

The blessing

Crit chance goes up according to how long you aim down sights

[mellow cobalt]

I shouldn't need a specific blessing to make the weapon usable

[tame lodge]

You don't

Just hit heads

Lol

Anyways

[mellow cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-why-didnt-i-think-of-that-hank-scorpio-homer-simpson-you-only-move-twice-gif-20385109

[tame lodge]

Surgical Weight of Fire

Except mk5, doesn't need wof

[uncut pebble]

The helbore, like all las weapons, needs headshots to do respectable damage. It has nothing to do with blessings, though surgical does help.

[tame lodge]

Because when you hit bodies for 400 and heads for 1200 then you feel the difference

400 to the body
800 crit to the body

1200 to weakspots

1400 to critical weakspots

(not exact values, they'll change according to armor types etc)

[wheat stratus]

the pull out time also becomes bearable with that swap speed talent

[faint beacon]

Bothered listening to it, its cause the CS's have safer horde management options outside of Light combos on 13g which is still... my only questionable placement but Rashad is lower cause of the extreme point investment to hit BPs in Havoc 40, outside of that its an S tier melee

[wheat stratus]

the only thing still atrocious is the vanillia iron sight

[tame lodge]

And you know

If you apply the logic that you don't need specific blessings for weapons to be usable

Then a lot of weapons become unusable

Funny huh

[faint beacon]

I just blame the poor balancing of Blessings

[tame lodge]

[mellow cobalt]

Ok

Anyways which personality did u guys pick for your vets

[tame lodge]

Atm female cutthroat

But my main is male pro

[faint beacon]

Male Loose Cannon

[mellow cobalt]

Cutthroat is cool

That's the cadian one right?

[mellow cobalt]

Ayyyy im female loose cannon

[winter sluice]

Fem loose cannon I like how she giggles after doing her shout voice line. It's great

[unreal nova]

Fem Loose Cannon best. Gremlin energy.

[winter sluice]

"scout training do your thing..."

[mellow cobalt]

YEAH

[winter sluice]

I'm glad we are in agreement

[iron silo]

Fem Cutthroat personally

[mellow cobalt]

my vet is also super short so double plus on that end

[tame lodge]

Yup
Male one is all cry baby about Cadia
Female one is quiet

[iron silo]

i'm a sucker for Cadia related goodness

certified Basic Bitch

[mellow cobalt]

OHHH WAIT IS THAT THE ONE where he's like "NONE OF YOU WOULDA SURVIVED ON CADIA" and everyone takes the piss out of him lmao

[iron silo]

yep

[tame lodge]

"You're a lass of few words"
"Aye"
"Are you joking with me"
"No"
"So it was just my imagination"
"Aye"

Or something along those lines

And now that Excise is back you'll have the chance of hearing both enjoying the sun light

"Almost enough to make you forget about the war..... Almost"

And of course

https://youtu.be/MuMebddsCUg

[mellow cobalt]

LMAO

[tall torrent]

They have the same lines except bonding conversations

[tame lodge]

I guess the days of Fem Cut having bugged lines is over huh

[tall torrent]

They do have the same lines

In like, everything besides bonding conversations

[tame lodge]

Cutthroats mocking you for handling the heat of the plasma gun is pretty funny ngl

"Afraid of a little heat?"

🗣️

[iron silo]

speaking of the Plasma gun, is there ever a time to use the charge shots on it?

[tame lodge]

I don't really remember the exact phrasing but it was about your normal shots not meeting breakpoints

Other than that just for suppression (specially on charged shot kills)

[shrewd nova]

@tall torrent I believe I've seen you said you prefer axe over psword, and you like revolver in aurics, but does your weapon specialist build work with plasma + psword, or is there something more optimal for that combo?

[tall torrent]

any build that runs axe optimally can use a power sword, just not as good imo

plasma requires a bit more talent investment for breakpoints

[shrewd nova]

Do you still go weapon specialist with plasma? How does the talent point distribution change with that weapon?

[tall torrent]

depends on the blessings u want to run

[shrewd nova]

rising heat + gets hot

[tropic notch]

Ws already gives you guaranteed crit

[shrewd nova]

I wanted to try that out since it's fairly close to an optimal roll

[shrewd nova]

Ohhh yeah, you're right

[tall torrent]

I have this for axe in havoc
Can run plasma with it

[tropic notch]

Tbh the only keystroke on vet I run is ws

[midnight totem]

Occasionally I want a crusher knocked on his ass instead of dead

[shrewd nova]

Okay, cool, I'll test that out. thanks so much.
Oh, do you think gets hot is redundant with WS btw?

[shrewd nova]

WS is really the only one I want to run.

[tall torrent]

Not exactly because this build doesn’t have flamer 1hs by default

Needs red node / rising heat 1 stack / crit

So having immediate access to crit is nice

[midnight totem]

Personally, no. WS guarantees the first shot as a crit and gets hot helps the follow up shots be crits

[tall torrent]

Rising heat takes 2 hipfire shots to gain 1 stack (starting from 0% heat)

[shrewd nova]

Ahh, that makes sense

[tall torrent]

it's a way to get high breakpoint consistency under the pretense that 100% breakpoint uptime isn't available

[past oriole]

i see what you guys were saying earlier about infilitrate knockback + lowprofile

makes killing squads of elites really easy

[formal ice]

Tf is this

This looks very insulting

[past oriole]

cheesed to meet you

[queen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-shower-gif-11018341

[mellow cobalt]

i seriously can't get enough of her. she's the main reason I havent even touched any other classes yet lol

[unreal nova]

Is why I play my vet the most, lul.

[mellow cobalt]

she even fought chaos space marines and (obviously) survived! that's seriously impressive

[next dawn]

There is a charged plasma build?

[tame lodge]

Yesnt

It's Power Blast with Gets Hot

Unrelated
I just forgot to swap my helby 5 to 4

I still don't vibe with the 4

Props to y'all who can

[faint beacon]

Which color was 4

I literally dont recognize Hels by there names but there colors

[tame lodge]

4 is tan

[faint beacon]

Oh that one, that one is literally going all in on Ogryn killing

but it is incredibly sluggish using, well to me at least, but I put up with it at times

[sharp epoch]

whats power blast do

[fleet garden]

blasts power

[tall torrent]

+10% crit chance for hipfire shots
+5~25% crit chance for charged shots depending on charge level

[sharp epoch]

so just a crit machine at high charge

[dapper plank]

onslaught does not feel worth it on recon at all

[uncut pebble]

It enables recon to kill crushers, which is a horrible idea anyway, because your ammo is better spent on other things.

[dapper plank]

yeah

[uncut pebble]

That crusher is coming to you, anyway, best just to melee him in the face until he falls over.

[dapper plank]

it's better to have a meele carapace weapon

seem like

and instead spend those 4 points on for example massively enabling a grenade build

does exhilerating takedown work? i felt like i was getting no toughness

20% rending from talents actually entirely enables recon las to take on crushers... still inefficient, but that rending helps from first hit, on all targets

[uncut pebble]

Exhilarating takedown is 15% immediate toughness on ranged headshot kill and 10% tdr per stack, stacking 3 times.

It requires enemies to die to your bullets, not anything else.

[tall torrent]

Only from ranged weakspot kills

It’s the weakest veteran toughness gain talent

[uncut pebble]

(It's still really fucking good)

[tall torrent]

Nah

It’s inferior to CK and O4B by quite a bit

[uncut pebble]

That speaks less of et being bad and more of ck and o4b being obscenely good.

[tall torrent]

CK sorta is

O4B isn’t

[uncut pebble]

30% tdr for clicking on heads and 15% toughness replenishment every time you do it is nuts.

[tall torrent]

It’s not 30%

[uncut pebble]

It's 10% per stack, stacking 3 times.

[tall torrent]

Yes

It’s not 30%

[broken spade]

is it multiplicative with itself?

lmao

[tall torrent]

Bingo

[uncut pebble]

Oh that would be some horse piss fatshark would pull.

[dapper plank]

i just learned something.... seems finesse bonus does not need a dodge to apply to weakspot hits? i was wondering why my 1 build could not oneshot crushers, and it was Desperado... with it i 1shot in psykanium.

[uncut pebble]

So its, what, 17% or so?

[tall torrent]

It’s like 27% ish

The main problem is only available from ranged weapon

And ranged weakspot kill is inherently less consistent than the other two

[uncut pebble]

That's still 27% tdr from clicking on heads.

You should be clicking on heads anyway.

[tall torrent]

TDR ultimately doesn’t mean as much as reliable toughness gain

If it was melee, absolutely

But ranged weakspot kill is a much more strict requirement

[broken spade]

honestly that's still not bad

[tall torrent]

Especially when suppression and ranged stagger are factors

[uncut pebble]

Kid named laspistol:

(The best gun in the game btw)

[broken spade]

can probably make it work well on weapons you can fire a lot
I'm thinking helbore

[tall torrent]

You can get fked by teammates doing their jobs (zealots engaging in melee and psykers using staff to stagger / suppress enemies)

All of that is out of your control and directly impact your ability to land headshots

[hollow ibex]

honestly i can't use any of the toughness recovery talents except O4B now

[tall torrent]

O4B is kind of as balanced as it gets for toughness gain

Kill based

It’s only silly with frag / BM

[hollow ibex]

the flexibility is just sooooo good

[broken spade]

i didn't really like o4b in auric but i like it a lot more in havoc

[hollow ibex]

o4b is all i use in auric now

[broken spade]

i still prefer confirmed kill in auric

[hollow ibex]

whenever i need toughness, i always have eager and willing pox walker donors nearby

[tall torrent]

CK path is 2 S tier talents and 1 B tier pick

O4B path is 3 A tier talents

So yea

[broken spade]

o4b just ends up having better timing in havoc

[tall torrent]

I still think veteran would benefit a lot from a melee related toughness talent that didn’t depend on kills

[broken spade]

o4b beats confirmed kill when there's not a bunch of elites
in auric i literally don't care if there's no elites
in havoc, the most dangerous enemy is a shooter, a non-elite

if i have confirmed kill and there's just 20 shooters and no elites in a havoc mission, i'm fucking dead

[tall torrent]

Smth like 5% toughness on melee attack that only hits 1 enemy

Or really any equivalent to second wind / Ogryn’s heavy attack toughness gain talents

Smth that doesn’t depend on kills or using ability

[dapper plank]

shooting ogryns with plasma is way too satisfing

is it worth getting grenade tinker for shredder grenade? it's only 1 point as im going right to get meele dmg

[radiant chasm]

Do you have other nade regen talents if so yes

[vernal trench]

oh yea

[stoic thorn]

OH YES

MY 68/72 PLASMA CAN FIRE 8 SHOTS

EIGHT

[pseudo fiber]

Good stuff

[stoic thorn]

Is it good

[pseudo fiber]

8 is the max number of shots last I checked so

yeah

[hollow ibex]

yeh

[pseudo fiber]

as good as a plasma gun can get

well done

[dapper plank]

the only one i don't have is +1 nade slots.

wich seems pointless

[dapper plank]

don't care, i keep mine at 80% heat to shoot 2 very deadly shots, then either wait a sec to shoot 2 more, or put it away. after dumping 20% heat i can also do a supercharged shot.

[hollow ibex]

wait wat no

+1 nades is beautiful

esp for shredder

[dapper plank]

i don't care about 5% crit, so that's 2 points

[vernal trench]

Its so good

[hollow ibex]

it's hard to pick up unless you go infil, but it's sooo good

[vernal trench]

Yea its really good when u can have it

[stoic thorn]

I'm goated with exe stance plasma

[dapper plank]

why go from 3 to 4 slots, i'll constantly be at 1 or 2 anyway.

[stoic thorn]

With this godroll I'm even better

[vernal trench]

U and ur 8 shots

[stoic thorn]

8 shots kills 4 gunners

Cool down quickly

Fire more

[vernal trench]

Thats pretty bad

Why does it take 2 to kill a gunner

[stoic thorn]

I can't aim with the plasma

I hit bodyshots

[vernal trench]

Iof

[dapper plank]

i preffer killing 4 gunners with 4 shots

[stoic thorn]

Hence 2 shots

[dapper plank]

or less ofcourse with pierce

[vernal trench]

Get crosshair mod

[stoic thorn]

Eh it still works if I just dump it all into the elite horde

[dapper plank]

plasma has a crosshairs i think

[stoic thorn]

A really shitty one

[vernal trench]

Oh does it

[dapper plank]

plasma is one of the easiest to aim imo, also THICK bullet, so you can relatively easy hit the head of bulwarks

[stoic thorn]

Yeah I can hit ogryn heads

[dapper plank]

i don't think i have any crosshairs mods

[stoic thorn]

Exe stance makes it easier to see

[vernal trench]

Yea i agree with that

Ur wasting exec stance if u use plamsa gun imo

[stoic thorn]

Mf I need to see to shoot innit

[vernal trench]

Too little shots

Hellbore or ilas

[dapper plank]

half of exe stance value is information

[midnight wyvern]

just use eyes

[trim steppe]

Plasma is weird because it is a perfectly accurate rail gun with a circle crosshair, so you cant actually line up the shot on any pixels and you just have to have what you want to hit lined up in the middle

[stoic thorn]

I don't have time to aim tbf

[trim steppe]

Crosshair mod fixes it tho

[dapper plank]

sorry, i did not know you had the exray mod

[midnight wyvern]

idk I haven't used Exe since it was the only option

[stoic thorn]

Zealot I can turn my brain off and relic blade into the crowd

[dapper plank]

same, command is overpowered

[stoic thorn]

Ogryn I just dump every rumbler shot to someone slightly taller than the horde

[midnight wyvern]

stealth feels pointless, Command my beloved and exe is just, eh

I dont feel the need to have exe when I can just use middle keystone

[stoic thorn]

Exe my beloved

Clear my screen of elites and specials

[trim steppe]

You can use melee with exec stance now, right? They patched it?

[pseudo fiber]

yuyp

[trim steppe]

Not being able to switch before was a dead sentence, you try to pick stuff off and poxxie chaf just shivs you to death

[radiant chasm]

Stealth would absolutely be the meta if voc didn’t exist

Aggro reduction for 10 whole seconds is so god damn good, the mass suppression on start and end of the stealth

[trim steppe]

I used stealth to get the penance and then i put it back on VOC and never touched it again

[radiant chasm]

Yes because piss toughness is OP

[pseudo fiber]

stealth with reduced threat is fun

[radiant chasm]

Exec stance is “balanced” in the sense if voc was removed/gutted it would not spike in play rate nearly as much as stealth

[radiant chasm]

2 charges, cdr talent, 10 second aggro drop, you can spend so many seconds basically free firing with no risk from enemies

I will die on that hill

[gaunt anchor]

Stance is so cool man 😔 it just gets super out hsined by the other two

[trim steppe]

Stealth just feels weird in this game. On both vet and zealot it just doesnt quite click with the setting for me.

Maybe I'm just approaching it wrong tho

[gaunt anchor]

clearly, we need to rework it so ogryn also gets stealth

[trim steppe]

I thought the Ogryn shout was garbage until I realized its an instant, huge aoe stun. The taunt part took up my focus

[gaunt anchor]

I love the taunt part still, ogryn shout is just amazing

it even gives more dmg to people

[pseudo fiber]

stealth supresses all shooters

which is nice

[radiant chasm]

Stance also just got a lot of it’s stuff nerfed in the feat to talent conversion, it needed nerfs but fatshark went too hard for an ability that was turned into only a damage booster

[hollow ibex]

cd sucks tho

[radiant chasm]

Nullified by the cdr talent that majority of builds take

Plus you can always take taunt on block and push as well

[trim steppe]

The 75% DR was a bit much but goddamn do I miss it, it was fun

[radiant chasm]

The taunt is a literal stun for enemies that can’t reach you, since you only have so many melee slots

[trim steppe]

I just meant, when it was introduced, my first few matches with it I was trying to use it as a taunt only, so I was trying to wade into a horde and snag as many as possible. Rather than use it reactionarily to threats as they emerge since again, its a big instant aoe stun that works on everything including monsters

[hollow ibex]

it's still a pretty hefty cd, esp when you compare it to vet shout which is 30 seconds lol

and then charge which is very strong, arguably stronger, also 30s

[radiant chasm]

Comparing to voc isn’t fair

Ogryn can also taunt in other ways off cooldown but yea charge can situationally be better and you can still get push/block taunt with charge

[hollow ibex]

i'm just comparing shout to shout

[radiant chasm]

I mean if we comparing, ogryn shout is bigger and “ccs” heretics for much longer

As well as basically turning off ranged enemies

[hollow ibex]

compared to the invicibility button?

i just think ogryn taunt talent should be buffed

cd-wise

to 30

[past oriole]

ogryn needs a lot of things

[hollow ibex]

true

[radiant chasm]

Cd is so overtuned and spammy other things need to be nerfed, any buff to taunt shouldn’t got below 45 cd

[pseudo fiber]

VoC should be nerfed to 45

[radiant chasm]

That’s a piss toughness issue

[vernal trench]

Yes

[pseudo fiber]

Remember 30 second cd with +100 gold toughness what were they cookin

[vernal trench]

Nerf shout

Decrease infiltrate cd

[radiant chasm]

Burning the kitchen down

[past oriole]

kruber lives on

[radiant chasm]

Why are vets so damn obsessed with “compensation”

stealth doesn’t need a single buff

[vernal trench]

Na

[radiant chasm]

The day voc gets gutted stealth is the next meta as it is

[vernal trench]

But lower cd would be pretty nice

[vernal trench]

Na stealth would never be the meta i

Ever

[radiant chasm]

No it wouldn’t your cd is already low enough you can maintain a permanent state of being invisible and having basically no aggro

[vernal trench]

on infiltrate?

[pseudo fiber]

VoC could give you 1 gold toughness and it'd be S tier

[vernal trench]

Are u kidding me

Shroudfield u can

[radiant chasm]

8 second stealth 10 second aggro drop

[radiant chasm]

No lol?!?? What

[vernal trench]

Yea and 45 seconds cd

[radiant chasm]

IoD is a fixed cd boost

[radiant chasm]

No lol

[vernal trench]

u gotta be trollin bro

[radiant chasm]

Just take cdr curios and the easy asf to get and proc cdr talent

[vernal trench]

[radiant chasm]

Tactical awareness i’ve spent entire games being ignored by the enemies it’s so god damn boring

[vernal trench]

This guys trollin lmao

[past oriole]

what does 3 cdr curio perks reduce infiltrate to?

[radiant chasm]

U don’t understand cdr talents and think >50% uptime stealth would be balanced

[past oriole]

ive been running it recently and been thinking of swapping to cdr talents

[vernal trench]

Yea idk what game u playin

[pseudo fiber]

Also make tactical awareness % based reduction not flat 6 seconds like every other cdr talent in the game (I believe)

[vernal trench]

But infiltrate has a long ass cd even on havoc 40 with all the specials

[radiant chasm]

18 seconds total of no enemy threat on a 30 second cd would be so busted and then slap on tactical awareness

[vernal trench]

Tactical awareness is 6 seconds flat

I think

[pseudo fiber]

It is I'm saying make it % based

[radiant chasm]

Now who is trolling

[vernal trench]

Yea sounds like someone who has never used infiltrate

[radiant chasm]

I swear some yall vets are great but god damn it’s just eyerolling

[radiant chasm]

I literally use infiltrate in my bistol nade build and my dbarrel build

[vernal trench]

Why am i even talking to u u prolly play on auric maelstroms no wonder why its so empty lmao

[pseudo fiber]

I appreciate the compliment either way bandit

[vernal trench]

Definitely 30 seconds cd

oh yea

[radiant chasm]

I can’t stand this “game devs must compensate me for nerfing X by buffing Y which is also OP”

[radiant chasm]

No you said you want it to be buffed to 30 seconds

Dont play dumb

[vernal trench]

I dont care if they nerf or buff it lmao

[vernal trench]

Na i said reduce the cooldown for infiltrate and increase it for shout since shout is overpowered pretty much

[radiant chasm]

8 second stealth, 10 second -90% less aggro which is basically stealth, on a 30 cooldown

[wheat stratus]

I wish it be like shroudfield, but it do be what it is 😔

[vernal trench]

Hell na

[pseudo fiber]

I don't think they ever gave a specific amount just "Reduce cooldown"

[vernal trench]

shroudfield is so easy its actually stupid

[radiant chasm]

That’s needless compensation for something that is already sleeper op lol do you play shroudfield

[wheat stratus]

cd wise that is

[vernal trench]

The long cooldown for infiltrate is what makes it hard to use

[vernal trench]

I play infiltrate

Ive played shroudfield and the cd for shroudfield is almost instant in so many cases its stupid

[radiant chasm]

It’s not “long” you are just spoiled by a meta of cdr spammy abilities

[vernal trench]

yea for sure

My no golden toughness no bubble or psyker games definitely give me tons of cd reduction

[radiant chasm]

Shroudfield has all the issues infiltrate doesn’t suffer from

[vernal trench]

Why is this guy so aggressive

[radiant chasm]

It literally does

Psykinetic’s aura (the not aura node)

[vernal trench]

Yea they definitely can buff me when im the last one alive clutching a havoc 40

Or when theres no psyker to begin with

[radiant chasm]

shroudfield is a shorter duration, with no cc on start or end, and you instantly get all the aggro

[radiant chasm]

Idc if you cleared havoc 40 solo with only using your pecs for controls

[wheat stratus]

zealot has insane cd reduction mechanics, vet on the other hand, you try to dive backline and your anti aggro wears off you're done goofed

[radiant chasm]

Saying infiltrate needs a buff is hilariously out of touch

[vernal trench]

Vets only cd reduction is tactical awareness its not even comparable to zealot

[radiant chasm]

Zealot cdr has been normalized, it’s still overtuned but it isn’t what it used to be

[vernal trench]

It doesnt need a buff

[radiant chasm]

Tactical awareness is fucking great lol

[vernal trench]

Why did i say it need a buff im just talking hypotheticals

Yea?

[radiant chasm]

It’s literally what made IoD strong, flat cdr

[vernal trench]

Get on rn i wanna see how u can stay invis all game on infiltrate in a havoc 40

[wheat stratus]

ever played shoudfield these days? it's like 5 sec actual cd if you are constantly hitting things

[radiant chasm]

So you can’t stand by your words

[vernal trench]

Not even lmao

[radiant chasm]

Idk why i need to join your game

[vernal trench]

in some cases u can have it in like 3 seconds its how insane shroudfield is

[vernal trench]

Idk how about prove what ur sayin

[radiant chasm]

IoD is now a 200% faster cd buff, so it’s normalized

[wheat stratus]

and if you backstab a few mofos, it's insta

[radiant chasm]

That infiltrate and vet cdr is sleeper OP and saying “if they nerf voc they should buff infiltrate to a 30 second cd” sorry i can’t challenge ur ideas

[radiant chasm]

Yes and that’s a cdr overtuned issue

[vernal trench]

Its a hypothetical obviously

Why u so mad

[radiant chasm]

?

[vernal trench]

Idc if they nerf or buff it people gonna use shout anyway

Infiltrate is difficult to run well and thats why its so fun

[radiant chasm]

Ur the mad one keep changing your stance and insulting me

[radiant chasm]

“Difficult to run well”

[wheat stratus]

doesn't matter what issue it is, point is while on paper vet stealth seems juicier in practice zealot is the real stealth class

[vernal trench]

How am i mad

[wheat stratus]

and even then that doesn't match up to vet shout, which is the more meta of the two

[vernal trench]

Im only talking to u cuz its interesting

[radiant chasm]

Zealot pops in and out of stealth and gets damage bonuses; vets stealth is much longer lasting and has that added cc bonus

[vernal trench]

If i cared i wouldnt be talking to a guy that plays auric maelstroms

[vernal trench]

Yea

[vernal trench]

I think that already tells us whether or not uve actually played infiltrate or shroudfield

[radiant chasm]

Sorry i only play havoc 40 blind with my crippled ogryn

[vernal trench]

Infiltrate is situational stealth while shroudfield is near constant stealth as long as there are enemies near by

[vernal trench]

idk what u mean by crippled ogryn

If ur talking about how weak ogryn as a class is then it really is a skill issue

[radiant chasm]

I got fatshark to make my ogryn on a wheelchair so i can be a true havoc 40 gamer

[vernal trench]

[radiant chasm]

Stop assuming shit it makes you look like an ass

[wheat stratus]

now if they were to reduce infiltrate cd 🤔

[vernal trench]

I said if

[vernal trench]

na honestly itll be so op

[radiant chasm]

I’m a big proponent of ogryn is viable in havoc

[steep flower]

Did i just read that ogryn is weak?

[vernal trench]

Even if its 5 seconds less itll make a sizeable difference

[steep flower]

Mah laddy; if only you knew

[vernal trench]

Not sure

Ogryn carries so hard dude

Papa willys ogryn goes in hard

[radiant chasm]

If you can’t get specialist kills in 18 seconds to reset your cooldown idk what to say

[gaunt anchor]

Ogryns are great, you just gotta play a bit different

[radiant chasm]

Ogryn is fine in havoc a lot of their issues is just auric viability/fun.

[vernal trench]

Ogryn goes hard in havoc bro

Not just fine

Hard carries

[radiant chasm]

Yes

[steep flower]

'auric viability/fun'

[radiant chasm]

Stop assuming shit lol

[vernal trench]

I dont

[steep flower]

i wanna get ya in the team & we play

[vernal trench]

Hell yea dude

[radiant chasm]

There is reasonable complaints for ogryn; the power gap between their best and worst weapons

[vernal trench]

Ill get on rn if he the ferret joins

the*

[radiant chasm]

Can cringe wannabe pros in vet chat stop inviting me to play

[steep flower]

same for other classes lol

[gaunt anchor]

Yeah honestly ogryn weapons feel kinda rough to me.

[vernal trench]

he says he can stay invis the whole game on infiltrate

[vernal trench]

I gotta see this

[radiant chasm]

Im in bed and I ain’t going to leave for some salty neckbeards

[vernal trench]

Who are u even talking about lmao

[gaunt anchor]

I kinda just stuck to shield, pick, kickback and twin stubber

[radiant chasm]

Yee

[vernal trench]

Hey thats what papa willy uses

[radiant chasm]

Shield+ karsolas meta when clubs have a 3 target cap

[gaunt anchor]

I have tried other ogryn weapons and they all just feel bad

[radiant chasm]

And the paul buffs were just not enough

They should have really gave it the crusher maul treatment

[steep flower]

We don't talk about the clubs here; it is a safe place

[gaunt anchor]

Shield gives so much utility and survival tools, why run other things

[wheat stratus]

fatties aren't no joke

[radiant chasm]

I aint going to give you the attention and time you lacked from your childhood

[vernal trench]

Who fatty

[radiant chasm]

And damage, h1 with BM hits like a truck

[vernal trench]

Ur trolling so hard

[gaunt anchor]

Real. Doesn't it also have like insane stagger and cleave?

[radiant chasm]

Only hypothetically

[gaunt anchor]

In a massive cone too?

[tame lodge]

Because pickaxes are goated, maybe not Borovian, that one is the least popular for some reason

[radiant chasm]

Yea h2 has literal infinite cleave

[vernal trench]

Idk man i dont play auric maelstroms i wouldnt know how u play the game

[wheat stratus]

karoslas or whatever that light pickaxe is got a special that hits bulwark over shield

shit's buuuusted

[past oriole]

branx is genuinely the most fun weapon in the game for me

[radiant chasm]

Branx hits hard and is satisfying even if it’s not as good as the Karsolas, which is just insane on all numbers

[past oriole]

but ogryn is the least fun class