veteran-class

[loud belfry]

depends on wep and stat as to how important it is/how much the stat changes percentage wise

[formal ice]

Would you dump most of your damage or dump some of your mobility?

[terse idol]

You will be off a crusher breakpoint if you are

[formal ice]

[tropic notch]

The mk3 is still extremely fast

[potent tusk]

makes sens

also

wasnt there a way to get all 80 per cent weapons

[unreal nova]

Knoife? Yes.

[potent tusk]

or am i tripping

[formal ice]

Nope

[tropic notch]

I wish

[unreal nova]

You want every other thing.

[tropic notch]

They should add red weapons behind havoc

[potent tusk]

i swear i ve seen some videos w all 80 guns

i must be tripping then

[tropic notch]

That’s a mod called show me everything or something like that

[terse idol]

Aw hell naw

[tropic notch]

I’m also so used to punch spamming void shield and just can’t use the mk6

[tropic notch]

[unreal nova]

I'm too used to the 6, lul. Tried the 3 when i was doing close and kill penance and regretted it. So 2 knoifes at mk 6 now.

[terse idol]

I'm like messed up on red weapons suffice it to say

[unreal nova]

One mercykiller one flesh tearer.

[tropic notch]

Uncanny and flesh tearer are a good combo

[unreal nova]

Why 2, game gave me a perfect 470 as a drop after I made my 500.

[tropic notch]

You silly billy you need uncanny

[unreal nova]

Yes.

I have 2 knoifes.

[tropic notch]

Oh real

[unreal nova]

They both have Uncanny.

[tropic notch]

[unreal nova]

If you don't put uncanny on it, why are you even...

[tropic notch]

I wonder if we’ll get a 5 level increase

[tropic notch]

I have precog and repoist on one

[unreal nova]

Precog makes me stare at it.

[tropic notch]

It’s cause I play zealot

[unreal nova]

2 secs duration mostly.

[tropic notch]

2 seconds to get off 3 attacks

Or 2

[unreal nova]

The real reason there's fleshtearer is cos no agile.

You know agile is going on it if knoife has it, heh.

[tropic notch]

If you play ij on zealot you basically get agile

[unreal nova]

Depends on build. I have piety and momentum.

[tropic notch]

I mean zealots bread and butter build is ij

It’s silly

[unreal nova]

Not counting the mess that is for H40.

But, but piety ding ding ding.

[tropic notch]

Tbh piety is good as well for beginners

I don’t want beginners taking Marty

[unreal nova]

Is just dopamine in a different way, lul.

[orchid hemlock]

Multiple wounds so they make us do the work

[hollow ibex]

Honestly good martyrdom zealots are my favorite teammates

Don't need healing

Don't need ammo

Do a shit ton of damage

[orchid hemlock]

I've seen cracked Zealots just take every single ammo bag

Lit just throw a knife on the floor and take it instantly

[unreal nova]

I pick them up if nobody does and leaves them behind... assuming I even need to shoot.

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I mean that's fair

[orchid hemlock]

When I go Zealot I can feel that my team is completely lost

I kill everything and go 3 levels ahead and they don't show up until 5 minutes later

[formal ice]

Too much greatness to focus

[unreal nova]

Maybe things spawned behind as well?

[tropic notch]

Hey Marty zealot how do you use your build? The zealot

[orchid hemlock]

Nope because I already am agrooing the entire hordes

[unreal nova]

To be fair, some maps be like mazes.

my brain don't like those maps.

[hollow ibex]

When I'm playing zealot I'm usually going ahead to clear shit and then flexing back to cover the psyker (he can't handle two bruisers in melee)

[tall torrent]

10.9 cleave (60% cleave target)
Sunder: all targets hit by cleave have their mass x0.25

[orchid hemlock]

Poxwalkers*

[hollow ibex]

I didn't want to be too mean

[tall torrent]

I don’t use a dedicated nade build, just axe + plasma with 3 nade talents (stockpile + demo team + twinned blast)

[unreal nova]

Look, 2 bulwarks is hard, kay.

[hollow ibex]

No dedicated nade build

[hollow ibex]

I hate bulwarks.

Just big hp pinatas

[unreal nova]

With annoying shields.

That block you from stabbing them, and they alternate to troll you so you can't even hit them when they attack.

[hollow ibex]

Yeah they turn into a fucking shield wall when there's two of them

[tall torrent]

I only have 3 veteran builds I play usually

[hollow ibex]

And then even when you break guard they take forever to kill

[hollow ibex]

How do you not get bored

[unreal nova]

Hi. I play 'nadier only.

[tall torrent]

I haven’t been playing as often lately

[unreal nova]

Flees.

[hollow ibex]

I just made a new build for fire shotgun today because bored

[tall torrent]

And veteran’s good melee choices are super limited

[hollow ibex]

Acceptable tbh

[wanton dawn]

I just played psyker today because bored

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I'm usually shaking it up based on the gun

[tall torrent]

My game-related entertainment rn falls under:
DT
DT guide
DK2

[unreal nova]

been trying a mercykiller thing, but still, it's mostly 'nades with serrated blade.

[tall torrent]

RNG 1/3 chance what I’ll do

[unreal nova]

Poke Beans for extra funnies.

[crimson pebble]

did you calculate in the random chance you explode

[wanton dawn]

Well, rn I have the sweat build locked down

[unreal nova]

Wheel of builds, yes.

[wanton dawn]

Now i need some voidblask funnies

and drop the bubble i guess

[hollow ibex]

I've given up on anything knife except uncanny lacerate

[unreal nova]

Just roll for a build.

And them get absolute cancer like chainsword on psyker.

[wanton dawn]

Nah, I play some stuff then straight to h40

[unreal nova]

Ehm, Chainsword, assail, bubble, DD.

[wanton dawn]

need something that is a bit good

[unreal nova]

And EK.

But every time you use it, 20% peril cos you know.

[tall torrent]

I want to like power sword
But it really is not as good as axe

[cloud thunder]

And what’s the bolt pistol that works with it? Lethal proximity and ?

[tall torrent]

Lethal prox + puncture

[cloud thunder]

Gotcha. Thanks

[tall torrent]

Puncture hits some 1 tap breakpoints for damnation

And helps in havoc against pus harden

[wanton dawn]

Powersword advantage over axe is unyielding. Otherwise yeah

[unreal nova]

I thought I mentioned it before.

[tall torrent]

Idk why I feel ok with 3 dodges at -12% dodge distance on zealot

[unreal nova]

Well, I was curious is mercykiller is good or not so... I also have one free slot.

[tall torrent]

But not ok with 4 dodges at -12% distance on veteran

[wanton dawn]

Cuz getting hit with ps on vet is more punishing ?

[hollow ibex]

PS drives me up the fucking wall lol

[unreal nova]

Is Zealot, general build paths Until Death.

Vet goes potato immediately.

[hollow ibex]

Good with mk6 just point hungry

[tropic notch]

So how much would 80 cleave affect it?

[tall torrent]

It’s not rly that cuz I do know the push combo for horde control, it just doesn’t feel good

[unreal nova]

I know.

[tall torrent]

11.7 cleave (80% cleave target)
Sunder: all targets hit by cleave have their mass x0.25

[unreal nova]

I'm still sobbing having to go from my boomies build to this...

[tall torrent]

Sunder is really nice for elites

[hollow ibex]

Just run mk3 with uncanny and lacerate

[tall torrent]

Especially scab rager and mauler

[hollow ibex]

It's the definition of mid but you can fit in most nade talents

[tall torrent]

This is an insane build

[unreal nova]

No twinned, no extra 'nade... wehhhhhhh.

[wanton dawn]

Hey, this looks like my ps/plasma build

[tropic notch]

Yeah but how many targets is that from 60 to 80

[tall torrent]

Which part did u not understand

[tropic notch]

How many are getting hit?

[tall torrent]

60% cleave target is 10.9 clv
80% cleave target is 11.7 clv

Sunder is x4 effective cleave

[tall torrent]

Idk, what are u hitting

[tropic notch]

.

[wanton dawn]

Not all target have same mass

[tall torrent]

Again, what are u hitting

Are u hitting groaner or scab rager

[tropic notch]

So I’m hitting 44 targets?

[wanton dawn]

If groaner kinda yes

[hollow ibex]

Any build with O4B is a good build

[tall torrent]

Are u aware of enemy mass as a mechanic

[tropic notch]

Or how would it fair in mixed hoard

[tropic notch]

A little I’ve not gotten deep into it

[tall torrent]

Dude u gotta be specific what enemies are u hitting

[wanton dawn]

Sunder is best against mixed horde

[tropic notch]

Oops

My fault og

[cloud thunder]

You also recommended some sprint eff for curios right?

[tropic notch]

I’m so silly

[tropic notch]

I would

[tall torrent]

35~38 groaners (1.25 mass each)
35 if 60% cleave target
38 if 80% cleave target

[cloud thunder]

For vets

[terse idol]

We don't dump cleave target yaaaaa!!!

[tropic notch]

I see

[tall torrent]

I think it’s nice especially if you normally can’t afford to grab either of the stamina regen delay nodes

Most of stamina cost are usually from sprinting

[cloud thunder]

Can you explain benefits again? I tried to remember to explain to a friend but forgot

[tropic notch]

If we had 5 more skill points it’d get a stam delay

[unreal nova]

I will have serrated, twinned AND extra 'nade.

[tall torrent]

Each 15% sprint efficiency is ~117.64% longer sprint duration
All multiplicative

At 3 stacks you get around 162.8% sprint duration with the same stamina amount

[broken spade]

what am i looking at?

[cloud thunder]

And you recommended 2x sprint eff and 1 stam regen right?

[unreal nova]

And born leader, so grenade goes boom and everyone full toughness.

[tall torrent]

I don’t think stamina regen is good for veteran

Unless u take either of the stamina regen delay nodes (one bottom left, one bottom right)

[tropic notch]

Nasty I’d have red skills and stam delay

[cloud thunder]

Especially if I already have a stamina delay node

Yeah I have 1

[tall torrent]

I do think stamina regen is very strong for zealot

Because classes have different stamina regen delay and regen rate values

Zealot base is 1.5/s

With 3x stamina regen u get to 2.04/s so essentially 2 bars per second

[tropic notch]

I’d do all stam regen, sprint efficiency, and gunner resistance

[tall torrent]

It’s a big difference compared to every other class

[tropic notch]

We don’t talk about psykers regen

[unreal nova]

I could still get -.25 delay. YOu know, the one below duck and dive or CQKZ?

[potent tusk]

how this

[tall torrent]

Whereas veteran only regens 1 stamina per second after 1s delay

So even if you get 3x stamina regen it’s still worse than zealot at base

[tropic notch]

Better BUT still not dumped in cleave targets

[potent tusk]

i spend

spent

100k

and found

nothing

[tropic notch]

Yas!

[potent tusk]

so i will make it work

XD

[tropic notch]

We live gambling

[potent tusk]

FR

lmao

[tropic notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/877778238162731078/1283192473593577563/ezgif-5-5aa3b832f3.gif

[cloud thunder]

And what about desperado? The finesse bonus, does that apply to attack speed as well or just the crit/weakspot? @tall torrent

[potent tusk]

also

making money in this game is hard

asf

[tall torrent]

I personally prefer 3x sprint efficiency over a hybrid of sprint efficiency and stamina regen

3x sprint efficiency is 162.8% compared to 2x at 138.4%

[potent tusk]

i ve been playng like since 2 days without spending anything

and spent them all in

20 seconds

[tall torrent]

Finesse does not affect attack speed unless explicitly stated (only in weapon stat card)

[cloud thunder]

Gotcha. Ok

[unreal nova]

Gotta play aurics for dockets.

[broken spade]

stam regen is additive with other stam regen curio perks right?

[unreal nova]

Or damnation.

[tall torrent]

Every other instance of finesse is weakspot/crit/crit-weakspot damage

[potent tusk]

for what

[burnt vortex]

Money

[tall torrent]

Which and which

[unreal nova]

You want funds to gamba.

[burnt vortex]

And resources

[broken spade]

from curio perk

[cloud thunder]

Gotcha. Thanks

[tall torrent]

What’s the first stamina regen

[broken spade]

like i mean if you have 2 curios with the perk

[potent tusk]

wait

you can tuse grey weapons

to sacrifice...

WHY

WHY

[tall torrent]

The curio perk of stamina regen rate is all additive with each other but multiplicative to base stamina regen rate

[unreal nova]

Just consecrate to green.

[tall torrent]

Zealot is 1.5/s
3x curio perk is x1.36
For a total of 2.04/s

Veteran is 1/s
3x curio perk is x1.36
For a total of 1.36/s

[broken spade]

and they don't affect talent sources like duck and dive do they?

[potent tusk]

oh it works

thanks

[tall torrent]

No, only base stamina regen

Those talents are % scale from max stamina

Duck & dive for example

If you have 10 stamina

One proc is 3 stamina back

If you have 5 stamina

That’s only 1.5 stamina back

[potent tusk]

gambling is also the best way to master a weapon

didnt know what

that

[tall torrent]

Whereas base stamina regen is a flat value of ? stamina/s

[broken spade]

stam regen vet sucks then

just duck and dive

[unreal nova]

Yes, just junk the crap you don't want into the hadron blender.

[broken spade]

and +max stamina curio

or whatever that focus target node is called

[tall torrent]

+stamina curio isn’t even required most of the time

[unreal nova]

Unless knoife.

[cloud thunder]

You sure zealot base delay is 1.5s?

[tall torrent]

That’s not what I said

Zealot’s base regen rate is 1.5/s

With a delay of 0.75s

[cloud thunder]

Ah ok

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I don't run stamina curios unless I'm memeing with deadshot

[tall torrent]

Honestly
Even that isn’t required

Because u can take both stamina regen delay nodes

[unreal nova]

Gib me 10 more talent points.

[broken spade]

It's nice for mk6 psword

[potent tusk]

ok i got power cycler 3 without having it thats lucky asf

[tall torrent]

Nah u don’t even need that many

Drop all the unnecessary stuff

Like field improv

[unreal nova]

That's 1 point.

I need 5 to path the left side.

I need 2 to path the right side.

[tall torrent]

Drop serrated blade, tinkerer and field improv

U just freed up 4 extra

[unreal nova]

No.

Cos serrated already ate into my 'nade stuff.

[tall torrent]

Serrated is not worth it

Mainly because mercy killer isn’t good enough to justify using serrated

[unreal nova]

Yes, what I'm saying is, I rather just reskill my 'nade stuff.

[tall torrent]

U can drop most talents in the top half pretty easily

[unreal nova]

So then I need 7 points to get both stam regen talents.

[tall torrent]

What does ur build even look like

[unreal nova]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e21fbd7-c703-4fcf-845c-26b1540095b9/boomies-shredder-frags-edition

I thought you already knew, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[tall torrent]

No I don’t check gameslantern

Also that build is unfortunately missing breakpoints

[cloud thunder]

What’s the nade build you use

[tall torrent]

Knife without either stam regen delay node is also a choice ig

[unreal nova]

I shared the talent tree before... is why you ppl all complained I used to take tactical reload over O4B.

[broken spade]

where is the weakspot damage?

[tall torrent]

I don’t have a dedicated nade build I just run 3 grenade talents for axe + plasma

[broken spade]

I actually have a very similar nade build

[cloud thunder]

Ah

[broken spade]

but mine is keystoneless

and isn't missing the weakspot damage

[cloud thunder]

Mine is keystoneless as well

[broken spade]

sacrificed survivalist tho

[cloud thunder]

I run knife and recon keystoneless for auric 5 high intensity duos and maels

But need to do more testing

Duo friend testing stuff now in sm2 💀

[unreal nova]

If I had 10 more points, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[tall torrent]

Tinkerer, grenadier, field improv
That’s 5 points free

U can definitely take at least 1 stamina regen delay node

[unreal nova]

I'm not dropping tinkerer. >_>

[broken spade]

my funny grenade bleed build with knife/bistol

[unreal nova]

I use shredders.

[tall torrent]

Yea tinkerer is not required for any build

It’s just QoL

[broken spade]

it actually works way better in havoc than it does in auric

[unreal nova]

BEEG BOOM REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[broken spade]

just cause of shredder nades being dumb

[tall torrent]

You can still drop grenadier and field improv then

That’s still 3 points free

[unreal nova]

I want the crit before grenadier though.

And dropping field improv feels bad.

[tall torrent]

Well

Drop knife then

[broken spade]

i feel sad about dropping field improv because i cant commit as hard to the meme

[tall torrent]

Cuz it really is a point hungry weapon

[broken spade]

but like it actually doesn't matter

[cloud thunder]

Why do you need field improv

[unreal nova]

Nu.

[broken spade]

okay it's actually really funny to bring a serrated blade weapon with uncanny and just smack a thing you naded to get the stacks up

[unreal nova]

Maybe to you solo minded people, you won't understand.

[broken spade]

the gimmick of literally every part of the kit doing bleed is fun as hell

[tropic notch]

Holy slop

[cloud thunder]

Hm?

Explain

[unreal nova]

Or ehm, DPS minded.

[cloud thunder]

That’s why I’m asking

Like help me understand

[tropic notch]

I don’t run field improv

[vernal trench]

Field improv not worth an extra point

[broken spade]

I can't justify bringing field improv even for the shitty meme build

[unreal nova]

That's a nuke for the oggy, 3 fire grenades(I think) for the Zealot, more 'nades for you if you need to clutch.

[broken spade]

it doesn't do anything often enough

[tropic notch]

It just depends on what points you have left over

If you have one i would get it

[unreal nova]

Also, when you have no zealot the anti corruption can just help. Also, heals healing toughness.

[vernal trench]

Yea but thats 2 nukes per game max

[tall torrent]

In a build with lower point cost weapons u can afford to run field improv

Which normally would look smth like

[unreal nova]

WDYM? 2. It's at least 4.

[cloud thunder]

Crates kinda scarce in higher havocs though

[vernal trench]

no

[austere mica]

Field improv is a luxury that is neat to take with a free point

[cloud thunder]

So how much are you benefiting from it

[tall torrent]

Power sword / duelling sword
DB shotgun

[vernal trench]

The ogryn will be lucky if im even giving him a charge

Ill slurp up 6 charges out of 8 sometimes

[tall torrent]

(You genuinely don’t need most talents for those weapons)

[latent parcel]

I just run rocks anyway like a chadgryn

[vernal trench]

No u dont

U use nuke

[latent parcel]

Nah I switched

[unreal nova]

Mostly the medikit. My vet just needs a tin or two here and there in most cases.

Also, I'm basing on aurics.

[cloud thunder]

I see. Aurics though?

[vernal trench]

Damn since when

[tropic notch]

Preach

[vernal trench]

U had nukes last night

[inner temple]

But I must improvise as a grenade when noone else has one

[broken spade]

i think missing those bistol breakpoints in aurics is annoying as hell but okay

the no weakspot damage is really gonna suck there

[tall torrent]

She’ll just come up with an excuse like 300ms ping not being able to hit headshots anyway

[unreal nova]

Damnation/aurics. It's not for havoc since I wouldn't be playing vet there.

[potent tusk]

ok

guys

i need tips to use the power sword effecitvley

[inner temple]

But smokies aren't bad there

[potent tusk]

cuz im sucking with it

[cloud thunder]

No more like…how is it gonna benefit Rambo pugs

[inner temple]

Sadge

[tall torrent]

Isn’t it super late for Italy over there

[vernal trench]

Activate, hit hit hit, activate, hit hit hit

Push attack

[potent tusk]

midnight

[vernal trench]

12 am

[austere mica]

Special -> light->light -> light

[cloud thunder]

Most people don’t team play in aurics

[austere mica]

Shrimple as

[tall torrent]

Go to sleep

[potent tusk]

evem with unarmored?

[inner temple]

Shrimp haha

[vernal trench]

Ofc

[austere mica]

Oh and special -> PA -> light for armor

[potent tusk]

you really think i have a normal sleep schedule

i woke up 2 hours ago

will be awake all night

will go to school

[tall torrent]

It’s called “power” sword for a reason

[potent tusk]

and then sleep

[vernal trench]

If theres one single dude it migt not be worth activating

But most of the time u wanna

[unreal nova]

Also, half my shots don't hit anyway, so drop 'nade and stab things.

[inner temple]

Best I can offer is 3 hrs of sleep then work and game then lastly sleep

[vernal trench]

Dogs half the time i dont activate to kill them cuz they die really quickly

[potent tusk]

yes

me

asf

this the time we rise

[inner temple]

0011 haha

[unreal nova]

I just shoot twice if I have to. Or more. Depends.

[vernal trench]

Who needs damage?

[unreal nova]

'Nades still best, hits whole room.

Lag be damned.

Worst case, you lag so much, the room is empty by your teammates before it pops.

[inner temple]

Rookie numbers try 0550 then sleep till 0800 then work for roughly 5+ hrs then game (this is if you don't workout I like to)

[broken spade]

okay this is gonna sound like a weird choice but you could also ditch weapon specialist on knife

it really doesnt need it that badly

[inner temple]

True

[unreal nova]

Penances. Also funny dodge. Also slashing faster is funni.

[inner temple]

True

[unreal nova]

I did say it's the first thing I'll drop if I had to drop one thing.

Problem is, I need to drop 2 things.

[broken spade]

trench fighter too then

i think both the bistol and knife would rather have the weakspot damage

[unreal nova]

For either weakpoint damage or 1x -0.25 stam regen.

[broken spade]

well especially the bistol in auric

[unreal nova]

But that's after penances.

[vernal trench]

Trench fighter is good with knife

[broken spade]

my bistol breakpoint in auric is so tight that it hits a flamer headshot, leaves them with exactly 7 hp and then kills it on 1 tick

[unreal nova]

I'm just slowly chipping it in since...

[inner temple]

Chippin in ahah

[tall torrent]

What did u put on boltpistol

[unreal nova]

Look, having to crit headshot is annoying as heck.

[tall torrent]

2x +5%damage nodes + 25% maniac + puncture?

[unreal nova]

I'm better off shooting something ded and just swinging at heads.

[broken spade]

maniac and i can't remember the other. Probably flak?
Keep in mind i have damage aura btw

[vernal trench]

Fireteam!!!

[inner temple]

Nahnah it was a reference don't mind me

[unreal nova]

I could change from cara on BPistol anyway.

[broken spade]

I don't have the points to path through survivalist while doing grenade memes, but that ended up working out for the breakpoint

kinda doesn't matter now though. i end up preferring the build for havoc over auric so now i don't get shit for breakpoints

[potent tusk]

quick question
are heavy attacks or lights better for power sword

or a mix of both

[unreal nova]

I just rather survivalist cos you know pugs will never share ammo.

[austere mica]

What mk

[tall torrent]

Light attacks

For VI

[potent tusk]

6

[cloud thunder]

Light spams for most. Then push attack into light for crushers and muties, etc

[austere mica]

Lights

[unreal nova]

And I'm tired of random bolter users complaining about no ammo 95% of the run.

[austere mica]

Mk6 never uses heavies for anything

[cloud thunder]

PA - light 2 shots crushers

[broken spade]

i mean that's fair, survivalist is a good aura.
I just can't afford it and i'll just pray that someone else has it, or just conserve ammo harder

the grenades carry the damage so hard that saving ammo isn't the most painful thing in the world

[tall torrent]

Survivalist doesn’t matter except for like 3 guns on veteran

[inner temple]

I always prefer mixing no matter what ;)) do whatever works for you and seems more fun

[potent tusk]

toughts so

ok im starting to understand it

its really good

[austere mica]

It’s also really boring

[broken spade]

well for havoc i sometimes wish i had it

[potent tusk]

i mean it depends

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s only “required” for havoc

[potent tusk]

if comparing to ds yes

but i really am liking it

[unreal nova]

And that's why I bring it. People need it, and if they want it they stick and don't run off as much.

Or they bring it themselves.

[broken spade]

well if it really is an auric build for you, you can probably ditch it just fine anyways

map has so much ammo it's kinda hard to run out

[inner temple]

Usually I conserve and often rarely grab a pack if I end up needing to then I take it as a sign for me to slow tf down.

[unreal nova]

You have not seen the number of bolter users I have seen spamming I NEED AMMO.

Even on normal damnation.

[inner temple]

That's just extra goofy then

[broken spade]

they'll do it anyways lmao

[tropic halo]

I almost can never run out of ammo when using Bistol with survavlist

[broken spade]

people just use 100% of the ammo they get

[inner temple]

I seen people spam it and only be missing like 50% ammo

[broken spade]

a lot of the time ammo issues in auric are just from people not picking it up though

[unreal nova]

yes, they can just look at their ego scoreboards where they have every single ammo pickup then.

[broken spade]

like there's so much, i kinda doubt they're actually grabbing it all

probably something like 1000% ammo on a given mission

[unreal nova]

Nope, they are, they even walk to the things I just ping.

[potent tusk]

should i use trench fighter drill for psword?

[unreal nova]

And are always in dark orange.

[inner temple]

They're missing one bullet and they don't like it!

[tropic halo]

Blindasses

[broken spade]

this is where you run up and take the ammo first to teach them a lesson

[unreal nova]

I don't think dark orange is 1 bullet on bolter.

[broken spade]

you're running knife anyways. you can grab it faster

[unreal nova]

I don't need it.

[broken spade]

do it to send a message

[inner temple]

Yes

[broken spade]

fire 1 bulllet and grab the whole bag

[unreal nova]

But my 10 stacks.

[inner temple]

Exactly

[inner temple]

Can be recollected it'll be fine

[unreal nova]

Still, goes against the mindset. Playing selfish justdoesn't stick right.

[broken spade]

you're training them to play without ammo

it's a long term investment

surely they will thank you in the future

[unreal nova]

More like come here to rage about someone stealing their ammo bags.

[broken spade]

in 5 years they'll say "that person who took 12 bags of ammo for 12 bullets really taught me how to play the game"

[inner temple]

I know I would. I've had my moments where one is missing literally like 10 bullets and picks up the ammo bag when I have like 3 shots in reserve of my plasma. Or just 2 extra reloads on my revolver or just one extra mag in my "lmg"

[unreal nova]

Look, I'm not mechanically good at stuff, I rather just play support than have issues. 'Nades are plentiful for vets so that's how i just roll.

[inner temple]

I've learned to play against those that just steal all the ammo so meh

[broken spade]

if they're nothing without the ammo, they shouldn't have it!

[inner temple]

Exactly one must learn and rehabilitate themselves to deal with it as a just incase

[crude fiber]

Put down an ammo pack and spam e while firing your weapon

[unreal nova]

Plus, I rather the other 2 take it, they need ammo as well, and ain't complaining.

[unreal nova]

Why would I waste what is 16 'nades?

[inner temple]

Throw 14 nades!

[unreal nova]

If only you can throw them faster.

[inner temple]

Click really hard

https://tenor.com/view/doomguy-evil-grin-gif-20903082

[shadow dagger]

running this with agri revolver because of some unfortunate encounters with monster specials and an adrenaline junkie of a director

what melee do i run that doesnt eat shit without desperado or reciprocity

[uncut pebble]

Shovel, I guess?

Idk you're moving about your tree way too much.

[inner temple]

Lol reminds me how my heart races while gambling on darkest dungeon

[inner temple]

If you call that moving youd hate mine

[shadow dagger]

drop survivalist then maybe? not running this in havoc

[uncut pebble]

Personally, I think you should path through shredders, abandon agile engagement (especially because you don't have always prepared weapon spec), and drop your extra grenade to take redirect fire and your melee talents above weapon spec.

[shadow dagger]

isnt that like an entirely different build at that point

[uncut pebble]

No, not really.

You just change kraks to shredders.

Could also swap fully loaded out for bring it down.

Free 20% boss damage and ogryn damage.

[shadow dagger]

i usually run this but pop rocks start crackling in my skull when i have 4 monster staggers and enough revolver ammo to turn em to paste

[uncut pebble]

The big thing here is your original setup has no use for agile engagement as you have no way to maintain your agri revolver having shots, and focus target is kind of a bad keystone without redirect fire.

[inner temple]

I'm gonna drag another build out maybe

[shadow dagger]

im a habitual reloader so always prepared is usually a dead talent even when i do take it lol

[uncut pebble]

This is good but the only node you need on focus target is redirect fire, so you can safely drop that left one for the 25 toughness node beneath desperado.

And you can drop superiority complex for trench fighter drill.

I dont think superiority complex will make you meet any breakpoints anyway.

[potent tusk]

people of the darktide!

dead shot or trench fighter drill ?
infantry power sword build

also any other tip is appriciated

[unreal nova]

infantry what?

[potent tusk]

ah yes

lasgun

sorry

kind of a weakshot build

i tried

[unreal nova]

Is a gun that that technically can be used on. But also Powersword going faster.

How often do you crit already.

Do you feel like you want more crits and can deal with the stamina cost.

[calm shard]

hold your horses there mr about to suggest deadshot

they don't have the 5% base crit node either

[potent tusk]

deadshot really increase by a good bunch the crits i make since i have headhunter

[unreal nova]

I'm rather point at trench fighter, lul.

[calm shard]

Also use Determined. The Infantry Lasgun is super heavily affected by suppression

[potent tusk]

but i also love trench

since powesword is slow

[potent tusk]

yea i know

[calm shard]

yeah but it's not the attack speed on it that's slow

[unreal nova]

Mostly cos... well, you know.

[calm shard]

it's the activation

which isn't affected by attack speed

[unreal nova]

True.

[potent tusk]

i tought i could just not use it by being better at the game

and understanding when s best to not aim

[calm shard]

no amount of being good at the game makes the shooters and gunner smystically not shoot you

[unreal nova]

You can't. The powersword is like the devil claw when unactivated, lmao.

[calm shard]

and you get suppressed even if they miss so

[potent tusk]

saw that

but i would need to remove a point

would that be worth it

?

[calm shard]

I am heavily biased in this department, but I personally think camouflage is almost useless

if you don't want to drop trench fighter

[potent tusk]

honestly if i had to choose i would pick trench

i alr have most breakpoints even without critting

and i use power for heavy shield enemies (dont remember the name)

carpaces

yes

still i d rather ask people that are better at the game than me

[unreal nova]

Only good for penance, lul.

[calm shard]

it's one of the not bad upgrades for focus

which is why I mentioned being biased against it

[potent tusk]

that seems strong but i could try yes

[calm shard]

it's useful for building focus stacks to kill bosses

if there's nothing else to easily headshot around

[potent tusk]

yea i did my build basing mysel from the hammer of the veteran guide

really incredible to learn the game

[unreal nova]

Honestly, just play it.

If you like it, you like it.

Sometimes the best is just something you are comfortable with.

[potent tusk]

oh well i dont really kill bosses with infantry so i could tecnically remove it without feeling the difference

[unreal nova]

Tweak if you find any downsides while playing with it.

[potent tusk]

i mostly use it to oneshot flaks and maniac

maniacs

and unarmored

[calm shard]

yeah infantry lasgun gets the majority of value out of the first 3 focus stacks to one shot elites

[potent tusk]

also without deadshot its even worse to kill carapaces

[terse idol]

You don't want to shoot carapace with ilas

Its very bad

[calm shard]

I mean there's the Helbore if you want an extremely inconvenient to use infantry lasgun that can kill carapace

[unreal nova]

You literally need onslaught to even do anything to them without hellbore, lul.

[terse idol]

I mean, it's okay when you get used to it

Its stockholm syndrome

[potent tusk]

i mostly use lasgun since its not too broken and i like using it

i dont want to get into meta hell

[terse idol]

Helbore isn't meta

[calm shard]

hate to break it to you

Infantry Lasgun is one of veterans meta guns

[potent tusk]

where i think im good but im getting carried by meta guns

[unreal nova]

Just activate and smack with your sword.

Really.

[calm shard]

or one of the options for it

[potent tusk]

really?

[narrow frost]

no

its not

[past oriole]

mp

[potent tusk]

tought it wasnt

[past oriole]

no

[calm shard]

yeah

IIb infantry lasgun with ghost/infernus

[past oriole]

the meta guns atm are recon and plasma

[potent tusk]

infernus??

tought that was only good with recon

and vaks 5

[calm shard]

infernus is useful on havoc because it ignores one of the damage reduction modifiers that can show up there

[tame lodge]

On havoc yes

[calm shard]

in normal gameplay headhunter is the go to

[potent tusk]

oh well im far from even doing my first havoc 25 XD

[hollow ibex]

for havoc, better off still using recon imo

[potent tusk]

im still having troubles on normal damantion so i wont think about havoc meta for now

[past oriole]

the third meta gun isnt a gun

its grenades

[calm shard]

shredders have some of the balance of all time

[terse idol]

Dany can make due with like

Headhunter ghost

[unreal nova]

Bolt Pistol to buff it.

[terse idol]

Its not meta

[calm shard]

It's an option in the meta

which is close enough 😎

[potent tusk]

actually camouflage now that i think about it doesnt seem THAT good

[terse idol]

I mean it's a gun that people use

Sure

[potent tusk]

expecially cuz on damnation and aboce you hardly have time to crouch

[calm shard]

though my havoc vet is bolt pistol for the extra grenade radius

[terse idol]

Camoflauge just let's you stack more stacks if you just

Stand still

[calm shard]

eh you can dodge while crouching, and sliding counts

[terse idol]

Like, camo just let's you maintain max stacks better

[potent tusk]

i always die when crouched

[calm shard]

camo also lets you build stacks during monstrosity fights if you're whiffing

or the beast of nurgle will not drop aggro on you for any fucking reason

[terse idol]

You don't have to crotch with it

[calm shard]

god I hate them

[unreal nova]

Crouch dodging is always funny.

[potent tusk]

usually i find myself crouching because i pressed the wroong combination of buttons xddd

also didnt know sliding counted

[unreal nova]

Getting interrupted somehow trying to sprint and slide.

[potent tusk]

YEES

ALAYS

ALWAYS

LMAO

[calm shard]

the random traitor guardsman blending in with the trashbag who then immediately stabs you in the back when you round the corner

[tall torrent]

Nah

Top 2 is recon & plasma

[unreal nova]

You mean kick.

[tall torrent]

3rd is boltpistol

[calm shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1184257191746752583/1340087146932862986/1485_fr.gif

[hollow ibex]

4th is VIAG

[unreal nova]

It's 'nades. Bolt Pistol is just there to buff 'nades.

LUL.

[calm shard]

I mean bolt pistol is also basically a revolver with more ammo and less cleave too

Which is nice

[hollow ibex]

5th is prob revolver for me

so ilas is somewhere below all that

actually, prob even lower, i just remembered bolter is a thing

and laspis

[past oriole]

arent the braced guns not too bad

[tame lodge]

Better options available

[unreal nova]

Better for Zealot though. You can just use Inf auto for Vet.

[hollow ibex]

braced is mid, but it's fun

[tall torrent]

4th prob helbore / laspistol

[calm shard]

vraks infantry autogun one shot headshotting gunners with 10 focus stacks made me feel things

[hollow ibex]

helbore? more like hellnah

[tall torrent]

inf ammo 2 headshot kill

it just depends on team more

it's getting into ultra specialization

[tame lodge]

Helbore? More like helbest weapon in the game

(totally not biased)

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/grimace-gif-4412895

[junior grail]

I'd love the helbore if not for that slight delay when switching to it

[hollow ibex]

slight

good thing ES exists at least lol

[junior grail]

What's ES again? Is it the one that increases swap speed?

[terse idol]

Helbore is good

Once you ih

Get past the charge

[calm shard]

Executioners Stance

[junior grail]

Ohhhh

[calm shard]

It skips the swap animation of any gun you have equipped and just pulls it instantly

[hollow ibex]

eah ik, i just don't enjoy it

[calm shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1341500388779753494/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.02.18_-_13.08.44.02.DVR_online-video-cutter.com.mp4?ex=67b63918&is=67b4e798&hm=2e41a0e6bbd811e3ba96d77fd94131f3dd42ebc884ce7ded297fe5c2a38db6bc&

[junior grail]

I really want to like the Helbore ngl, just that every other weapon is so much more reactive with better damage sustain imo

[calm shard]

I dunno about damage sustain

I spent 20 ammo in that clip to kill a Crusher and 6 Reapers in 10 seconds

[junior grail]

Hmmm I'm willing to give Helbore a chance again. Mk 1 or 2?

[calm shard]

That is the Mk IV

[junior grail]

Ok I've only returned after so long so I've forgotten hahaha

It's the fastest charging?

[calm shard]

well yeah but also fatshark randomly changed the names of basically everything

it's the slowest

it's the brown one

[surreal gust]

Yeah the helbore just takes some getting used to

[junior grail]

Oooo interesting, I remember many saying it's the worst of the 3 last time

[junior grail]

Do you use it with Mark Target Keystone?

[calm shard]

nah focus

[junior grail]

Oooooh

[calm shard]

specifically for Crushers

[tame lodge]

Because of the Bayo

[calm shard]

yeah the brown helbores bayonet sucks

[tame lodge]

When it's actually the hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game

[calm shard]

mark target leaves them on 20 health and that sucks

marksmans focus they just die

[uncut pebble]

Marksmans focus is a waste of a keystone, though.

[junior grail]

It's a playstyle I'd have to get used to, brown helbore with ES and Makrsman Focus

Considering the ease of Autoguns, Recon and Plasma haha

[calm shard]

It's vastly more consistent than mark for killing more than one enemy

which is why I use it

because it's better for back to back killing healthy enemies like ogryn squad spawns

[junior grail]

But I like variety in my builds, no weapon overlap across all my classes as my own rule haha

[uncut pebble]

This is just untrue.

Like flat out, it isn't true.

[calm shard]

Okay so you haven't used either keystone in a long time then because I'm not sure if you've noticed, but marks stacks regenerate over time

if there is more than one enem you are not getting much extra damage against the 2nd one you have to shoot at

[uncut pebble]

Redirect fire exists.

[calm shard]

marksmans focus stacks decay if you don't headshot things, so headshotting multiple things you keep that damage

why would I spend 2 skill points to still be less effective against multiple targets than focus is with 1 skill point

like talking specifically in the context of the Helbore here

Focus enables it to one shot Crushers which it can't do with mark

I also don't need to be in exe stance to one shot headshot bulwarks if I have focus stacks

in both cases if I'm using 5 stacks of mark to not lose damage elsewhere in my talent tree

they don't die

[uncut pebble]

7.5% ranged finesse per stack, up to 10 stacks, totaling at 75% ranged finesse at max stacks, unless you take the 15 stack node, which totals 112.5% ranged finesse at max stacks.

Or

4% base damage increase from all sources per stack, stacking 5 times (20%), or 8 times (32%), if you take that node, AND you take redirect fire, which grants another 1.5% base damage per stack on the target (7.5% or 12%)

[calm shard]

yeah that's more investment

I'd have to drop Reciprocity for that, or grenade regen, or marksman

which would lose damage overall

[uncut pebble]

Not really, you probably take 2 aux nodes on marksmans focus anyway.

[calm shard]

I only use standard focus because I can aim

and the subnodes don't help me for what I use it for

which is rapidly headshotting multiple high health enemies to death

[terse idol]

Helbores got alooottaa sustain

Long as you can chaarge

[calm shard]

which is the exact thing that focus does better than mark

[uncut pebble]

All I'm saying is, 12% increase to base damage for everything you do and another 32% on a specific target is significantly better than marksmans focus.

[calm shard]

then why does it not one shot but focus does

when at max stacks

that have to recharge over time after I kill the first enemy

[uncut pebble]

Grab both the 8 stacks node and the redirect fire node, kill something else, tag a crusher, and then oneshot the crusher.

[calm shard]

I don't have the skill points to do that without losing damage or important utility

[terse idol]

Gross

[calm shard]

Like I just mentioned

also why do that wehen I can just have max focus stacks from headshotting basic shooters/gunners

pop exe stance and kill the crusher immediately

[uncut pebble]

Then change your build if not hitting the crusher onetap bothers you so much?

[calm shard]

why would I change it when focus is the better option for what I want to do on my build?

[unreal nova]

Just play whatever you all want. it's a game, you are just supposed to have fun.

[junior grail]

Time to off meta with bayonet stabs only haha

[austere mica]

That used to not only be possible but strong

[junior grail]

I remember those times, it was fun

[austere mica]

Rip Bromentum Limbsplitter bayonet

[junior grail]

Brown hellbore needs a follow up uppercut swing for melee

[calm shard]

okay so I tested this, and guess what mark with redirect fire is still fucking slower than just having one skill point in focus if you have to either kill multiple crushers, or do not already have 6 stacks ready to ping it with

[austere mica]

Oh are we doing stupid oneshots

[calm shard]

for these 2 the order doesn't matter

focus will always 1 shot headshot on crit against the crusher, 5 stack mark will always 2 shot

[austere mica]

The rending from MF is absolutely needed

[calm shard]

8 stacks of mark with redirect fire does the same thing that having 8 stacks of focus does

but here what does matter is that if there's more than one enemy and you don't have at least 6 stacks to mark it with then mark cannot get a 2nd one shot

Focus would just kill the 2nd crusher

[tropic notch]

Can we show this with bosses?

I’d actually love to see the most damage vet can do in a attack

[calm shard]

And if you wanna try and bring up that I'm being "generous" by being at high focus stacks to begin with

Since I'm not a shitty teammate I often end games with over 100 pings on enemies

That's a lot of downtime where I am not going to be at the 6 stacks of mark required to one shot a crusher

but one thing I do have up damn near all the time

are my marksmans focus stacks

from just clicking heads something that I am doing already

[vale ledge]

Im gonna be honest

I deadass wish Commissar Dukanes drip was in the shop

[burnt vortex]

Is it worth pathing from shredders to the right to pick up AE if you're going double shotgun with WS?

Double barrel*

[pastel yew]

did you see the state of the commisar cosmetics we got 💀

the jacket is so cursed

it looks just as masculine on the female rig

[vale ledge]

Im talking about the outfit Dukane is wearing tho-

I wish THAT was a cosmetic 🗿

[pastel yew]

yeah I'm just comparing the too

they should replace the garbage we''ve got with what she has

[potent tusk]

is this passable?

( i feel too slow with p blade and since everyone grabs survivalists i wanted to try mobility with it)

[little path]

Bolter blessings?

[narrow frost]

[little path]

That's the thing

I did. The blessings and perks it recommends seems really uuuh

odd

flakniac on bolter seems like an odd choice

[narrow frost]

how so?

[little path]

Why not unyielding for ogryn or monster damage?

instead of maniac

Also it recommends 2-3 different blessings for each slot

[hollow ibex]

most obnoxious ogryn ever. spent all game spamming rumbler. couldn't see shit because of all the explosions.

he used his melee for maybe 30 seconds?

[hollow ibex]

this is what i run

but i run with ES, so you may need to double check the breakpoints

[hollow ibex]

wait wat

[narrow frost]

what

[hollow ibex]

intersting damage numbers

[narrow frost]

thanks

[little path]

I usually run ES as well

[hollow ibex]

bolter is veerrry good with ES

[little path]

voice of command is "meta" but it feels so counter to what the guy with the gun should be doing

Why puncture?

[hollow ibex]

helps with breakpoints

[little path]

As in letting the dudes bleed out?

[hollow ibex]

yeah

also not bad for some additional damage when you spray bosses

[little path]

is there an advantage to it over like

surgical or cavalcade?

aim for more crit
and
Crit during full auto

[hollow ibex]

i don't like surgical on bolter because it's totally useless for a weapon that sometimes should be used in hipfire full auto

[little path]

true true

wut about crit duing full auto

[solar monolith]

reciprocity should give you enough crits on vet

[little path]

which talent was that again?

[hollow ibex]

right side

[solar monolith]

right side, +crit chance on dodge

[hollow ibex]

i think cavalacade is fine too

[little path]

Not sold on that

seems odd for a bolter build

[icy cosmos]

above WS keystone, below stealth ability

[hollow ibex]

reciprocity is always good tbh

it procs on dodging ranged attacks too iirc

[icy cosmos]

really?

by the emperor

[hollow ibex]

yeah

so like dodging shooter bursts

[little path]

I kind of assumed

I guess I just don't play like that

usually I'm actually using cover

[solar monolith]

yea you can literally just dodge once and get max crit

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[little path]

uuh

well

if I'm in cover I don't usually getshot

I just crouch and don't need to dodge

[hollow ibex]

i don't take reciprocity on my bolter build anyway

you could go for a crit bolter build, but i don't find it to be necessary

[queen obsidian]

Gang chainsword or chain axe? 1 for chainsword 2 for chainaxe

[normal sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-grimes-rick-grimes-the-walking-dead-rick-the-walking-dead-rick-grimes-twd-rick-twd-gif-26122601

[queen obsidian]

Good choice

I leveled my shovel to Max

[icy cosmos]

krieg noises

[terse idol]

imo surgical for vet is better

[uncut pebble]

Because you dont need it.

BIS is flak maniac pinning puncture, iirc.

[vernal trench]

I got carapace and elite on mine

Oh wait thats ps

I got carapace and unyeilding for my bolter

[bleak tangle]

got meself a good shovel, which marks

[pastel yew]

only 79% damage...

its useless

cast it into the fires

[normal bay]

Unplayable

[bleak tangle]

Krieger in shamble

but, srly, will 79% fall below any breakpoint?

[icy cosmos]

pfffff i can do you one better (for psyker)

hows this on for size

the emperor’s foam sword

[pastel yew]

almost perfect... but your warp resistance is 74 so useless also

[indigo totem]

i wish i could answer, i don't know even with all my shovel use, i'd put my money on probably no, either way you can always upgrade in future !

[pastel yew]

nah just a meme

[indigo totem]

i like 1 for better light attacks and special can stagger anything on weakspot that's not a boss, mark 7 has great move set and flip is good for skull crusher and single target damage, you can't dodge out of the flip attack though so be careful of overheads with that, both are great take your pick after a few bonks in the psykanium

[bleak tangle]

Decimator+Uncanny/Thrust(Mark depend)?

[indigo totem]

i come from grenade veteran POV but uncanny + skull crusher or AoN for shredder ramp, but i do like decimator with weapon specialist 100%

AoN = All or Nothing

Also coming from a havoc perspective in mind, i'm 100% sure there is a better way for lower difficulty, but this works from havoc 40 all the way down

[bleak tangle]

Low Stamina play is something I've never consider before, but will have to try now

Thanks for the Info o7

[indigo totem]

no stress if anyone else adds on to that take it into consideration as well , thrust sounds like a great choice, but i don't use it often truthfully, good luck mate ! o7

[indigo totem]

Oh also if you like krak grenades, skull crusher does improve krak damage, you can throw a krak, shout to stagger, wack twice to stack skull crusher the krak will blow now, then re krak and re stack SC on stagger on the first krak thrown, it's not that useful for the most part, but fun as hell in lower difficulties, that is basically veterans thunderhammer combining with grenade nodes and a couple other things ! (fun as hell though)

[hidden badge]

Bro Fatshark can go fuck themselves for the killshot ready penance holy shit goddamn awful

Fuckin' crabwalk the whole goddamn time to finish the dumbass penance where you'll never play like that ever in a real game because Fatshark are dumbasses

[light ridge]

People really need to learn how to do that one....
You only take Camouflage to build stacks while waiting, otherwise you unload a recon lasgun at head level on a horde and get it over with

[hidden badge]

It still takes forever

[grand perch]

Whinge whinge whinge

[tropic halo]

Yak yak yak

[gritty mural]

you can get melee kills with your stacks

crouch while dodging and shoving a horde will get you some easy kills like you're bardin in vermintide lol

*for the marksman penance

[hidden badge]

It's still like 6 games of that bs though lol

[gritty mural]

thats just most of the class penances but unfortunately its for the least liked veteran keystone rip

[pseudo fiber]

Vets aren't that bad

Ogryn heary hitter

Ugh

[grand perch]

Yeah that one is mind numbing

[cinder stag]

what ranged weapons are viable for vet? i'm pretty new to the game sry for stupid question

[hidden badge]

E stance isn't awful, but I still don't love it. That penance though is just awful

[cinder stag]

i'm using recon lasgun mark 12 but want to try some different guns as well

[hidden badge]

Plasma gun is the meta

I like las pistol/las rifle, bolt pistol and revolver

Don't take revolver to hav 40 probably

[cinder stag]

yeah i'm not at havoc 40 anytime soon

my vet is lvl 18

but yea ill try the plasma gun thanks

[pseudo fiber]

Honestly almost all of them but like the shotguns (minus double barrel) and auto pistol

[indigo totem]

Adding helbore to viable not meta but definitely in good tier for grenade vet

[twin kettle]

So are smoke nades just a meme?

[pseudo fiber]

They're better on.high havoc

[tropic halo]

They have their good uses

[pseudo fiber]

But generally don't have enough uses in lower difficulties

[tame lodge]

Nah they are just slept on

Basically turns you immortal (you're not actually immortal) against shooters, gunners, stalkers, Reapers, snipers, dogs and flamers

[tropic halo]

People really need to use them more, feels nice using on auric damn and maels when theres lot of shooters

[tame lodge]

Affects Shotgunners, BoN and Trapper as well

[twin kettle]

So it's like psyker bubble, but without armor restore?

[tame lodge]

Yeah that's a good way to put it

[tropic halo]

Fatshark make the smoke nades extinguish the fires from flamers and my life will be yours

[tame lodge]

Except it's guaranteed 15 seconds

Or 30 if the grenade tinkerer is picked

Just remember to stay inside the smoke

[tame lodge]

Flamers just won't fire at you if you're in the smoke

[tropic halo]

I mean as a get away from extinguish the fire bombs and flamers as they are disrupting the room from tough situations especially spamming bombers

So the team can move forward or another place more safe

[wild vortex]

That would be wildly OP I think

[tropic halo]

It would give more opportunities but i can see it possibly be OP

[indigo totem]

That would be sick

[grand perch]

It really wouldn't

Their whole point is creating safe space for fighting. They should negate, or at least lessen, the effect of flames and tox gas

[umbral scaffold]

Smoke is nice I had alot of fun with it saved many times from shooters but You need to know how move in smoke also you cannot see enemies good once inside

But love the feeling of throwing smoke and some specials then killing them all and when the smoke clears and you teammates arrive slecials are all dead on the ground

[umbral scaffold]

Like the light effects in it but Just have fun with it you will see that it'sa very universall tool

[marsh socket]

You can do so much more with frag grenades, and those are conveniently above the best aura in the game

[ancient path]

execute stance can put in work if ppl baby the vet and give them the space. just have fun getting that out of randoms.

[sleek garden]

You can also toss one between you and enemies to close the gap

Smokes I mean

[ancient path]

a fun meme but frags do the same thing

without obscuring team vision if you dont run execute w/ hacks

[sleek garden]

Frags do not do the same thing and while it can clear up a shooter group you need at least two and they spread out behind cover

[marsh socket]

Throw them at the gunner pack

[sleek garden]

Unless you do some weird blessing stuff

vs throw a smoke grenade at them and the zealot runs in at 30mph and beats them to death with a hammer while they stand there blind

[ancient path]

tell that to the gunner i hit in the face with a frag grenade.

[marsh socket]

I’ve never been in a situation as veteran where I was like “oh man, I feel really naked without my smokes”

I have a shout and I have a gun

[sleek garden]

who would have guessed that shout makes the game super easy

[marsh socket]

I have the best toughness economy in the game

[ancient path]

i think even w/o shout, smokes dont have a place rn outside of niche things. shredder does a lot more.

[sleek garden]

You could also play psyker with flame staff and bubble and duelling sword and not play any other class

[ancient path]

dueling sword. 🤢

[sleek garden]

Smokes do help it's just not doing damage so it isn't as noticeable

[ancient path]

i mean, yeah it does help. but the way that it helps isn't precisely better than the other options. shutting down a pack of gunners/shotgunners is very viable. but shredders can do that too.

unless this is a h40 take. i only really play auric damn with the occasional auric mael.

[sleek garden]

Yes but I'd rather save them for rager packs or a huge wave of people in my face

Instead of gunners who I can shoot at

Though I normally play infantry guns with executor stance

[ancient path]

baller.

[sleek garden]

And devils claw

[ancient path]

chad build.

as long as youre running exe stance w/ smoke, its fine.

[sleek garden]

I was trying the knife but it feels so wrong using a melee that either doesn't cleave 5 people or doesn't kill at least one poxwalker on a light attack

like the axes

[marsh socket]

I keep dodge sliding thinking I’ll be able to hit people at the end of the animation

[ancient path]

ya but you have so much safety and can stab carapace.

plus you can lunge slide cancel like a sweat

lunge slide cancel into immediately dying to crusher overhead

my favorite zealot players

[tame lodge]

Technically it doesn't

Frags don't turn you invisible (you're not actually invisible)

[ancient path]

[thick needle]

No one can see you if everyone is dead

[tame lodge]

You can kill everyone if no one can see you

Throw a frag at your feet and the ranged enemies will still shoot you
Throw a smoke at a horde and the horde will still be there

Y'all keep trying to one up stuff and forget they have different roles

[iron silo]

Throw a Krak at your feet

[unreal nova]

Can work in emergencies for groaners. I have bolt pistol though.

[tame lodge]

Really funny to send groaners flying with krak

[unreal nova]

Is bad but it has clutched by just blowing up hordes of packed shooters before.

[austere pine]

how does chain axe 12 sound for havoc?

[calm shard]

bad cleave could make it a bit miserable but it does hella damage

[austere pine]

headtaker wrath?