Of course, you need to grind
#veteran-class
potent tusk
But that means more fun
true ahah
really loving this game tbh
other than the accatran what else is good?
unreal nova
I mean, it's worse than two. Also, Crime Boss was cheaper so...
potent tusk
i like to use many weapons and builds in games i play,is there a choice or this is the only meta gun?
formal ice
i like to use many weapons and builds in games i play,is there a choice or this ...
Use meta guns for future
On the start use any bullshit
unreal nova
i like to use many weapons and builds in games i play,is there a choice or this ...
Look, in Auric, anything goes except Shredder Autopistol.
potent tusk
I mean, it's worse than two. Also, Crime Boss was cheaper so...
still even tho its worse than payday 2 i really like it for its uniqueness
unreal nova
That gun, just toss into a bin.
potent tusk
Look, in Auric, anything goes except Shredder Autopistol.
what is auric XD
formal ice
what is auric XD
Oh boy you still new to theses
You should learn yourself
Get some levels and you will discover it
unreal nova
You'll know when you know. Let's just say, the director wants your ass.
formal ice
The face of a traumatized ogryn
potent tusk
My young reject fellow, you still got lot to learn
WELL
im devoted to the emperor now
no going back
tropic halo
The face of a traumatized ogryn
Auric damnation in these latest weeks with randoms
It is starting to give me PSTD
potent tusk
is it a map? or a difficulty? just curious
tropic halo
Difficulty
formal ice
Difficulty separation
potent tusk
is it the yellow setting
formal ice
From max levels and low levels
potent tusk
you can put in the menu
tropic halo
Is really the same as Heresy and Damnattion difficulty
But it has exclusive modifiers
potent tusk
got it
formal ice
All missions have modifiers
potent tusk
oh wai
wai
wait
i remember
in a video
dunnowho said it
maybe a comment on reddit
not a video
someone sayng that there is low intensity and high intensity difficulties
tropic halo
Yeah but in Auric all missions have modifiers as in normal difficulty there are some levels with or without 
heavy rover
Like low intensity hunting ground and high intensity shock troop?
unreal nova
im devoted to the emperor now
Don't have to be, just hate Nurgle and his ilk and is all good, right?
potent tusk
Like low intensity hunting ground and high intensity shock troop?
no idea but i remember someone sayng it
formal ice
Don't have to be, just hate Nurgle and his ilk and is all good, right?
No no no, don't lead this poor soul to not praising the Emperor
unreal nova
You don't get low int in auric from memory?
formal ice
He is divinity!
tropic halo
I dont think you get low intensity
formal ice
Yeah you don't
tropic halo
Man we need a mission where it have all modifiers
What if
Havoc Maelstrom 
warm walrus
So a helbore vet just clutched the match solo and now I'm inspired to give helbore a shot
warm walrus
Bit lazy to check pins helbore only has one variant?
formal ice
tame lodge
4 hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game
potent tusk
is the agripinaa any good?
tame lodge
5 charges faster
hollow ibex
it's ok
hollow ibex
graia's better hoenstly
unreal nova
Inf Auto is probs better for Vet.
hollow ibex
brrrrrrt
tame lodge
Though personally, it's more of a Zealot weapon.
Still funny to use Exec stance with it
Funny spread reduction
hollow ibex
graia + ES 👌
tame lodge
and found a vraks mk5
That's the current meta infantry autogun
potent tusk
this gun actually seems incredible
tame lodge
If you care about meta that is
unreal nova
Still funny to use Exec stance with it
I guess.
unreal nova
this gun actually seems incredible
Did tell you, Inf Auto is better for Vet.
terse idol
Dumdum infernus recon is craaayy
tropic halo
The tide of nerfs is coming next update 
potent tusk
i have the v1c
formal ice
what is the best recon ?
Green
tame lodge
what is the best recon ?
XIV or XII
terse idol
Depends
tame lodge
VIc has the best ammo economy though
tropic halo
skaven behaviour, rat cant read roman numbers
hearty panther
XIV is pretty far from being the best (quite the opposite)
unreal nova
It's the worst, you either use XII for memes and BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR or you go VLC for minmax damage to ammo use.
potent tusk
XIV is pretty far from being the best (quite the opposite)
why is that?
unreal nova
Uses the most ammo per shot from memory and only does slightly more damage in general for the price.
hollow ibex
the main thing is cleave
hearty panther
this was so fucking good
hollow ibex
helpful for dealing with specialists, but it's not worth the tradeoffs
unreal nova
the main thing is cleave
And that's basically meh as higher diffs.
hearty panther
its basically meh always now
hollow ibex
this was so fucking good
pineapple with... peanutbutter and fanta? 
potent tusk
Uses the most ammo per shot from memory and only does slightly more damage in ge...
isnt there an ability that let you keep ammo when getting crits?
hearty panther
it had extremely niche potential with deathspitter ramping its cleave to slightly over 4, so you could punch through three shotgunners in a line
and it was easier to achieve this with psyker and warpsplitter
but they buffed hitmass values for enemies a couple months back and that leaves that entire mark of recon dead in the water
potent tusk
isnt there an ability that let you keep ammo when getting crits?
thats not enough for economy i guess
queen fox
this was so fucking good
What the fuck is wrong with you
hearty panther
shoulda had it, man
the sweet and the salt all worked together wonderfully
love this burger place
queen fox
no
hollow ibex
sounds heretical
hearty panther
i trust whatever he puts on that menu
unreal nova
this was so fucking good
???
hearty panther
he could hand me a bag full of shredded stainless steel on a bun and id probably still trust his process
queen fox
Any sauce made from fanta is immediately horrible
hearty panther
thats not enough for economy i guess
its just not unique to any particular mark (or lasgun). any las weapon can crit and maintain ammo
tropic notch
tame lodge
why is that?
If we were to compare base recons the XII would only be better against specialists
Lmao
hearty panther
the XIV trades two ammo per shot for less than two ammo worth of damage compared to the VIc, and its benefit is extra cleave which goes basically nowhere at all
so thats half a mag and half the ammo reserves
queen fox
Peanut butter and/or pineapple are acceptable, if fringe, burger toppings tho
tame lodge
Or was it elites? I don't remember
hearty panther
XII does have more DPS in general, and does funny shit with Onslaught
you just burn through its ammo like fucking crazy
id wager anywhere from 1/4 to 1/2 of all ammo put out of that gun is overkilling targets
from the average player anyway
like if you dump ten rounds into a target (literally less than half a second of burst), youre almost guaranteed to have scored full stacks of infernus on target, and can very much move on to the next target
but people will just keep hosing until they get the kill notification
unreal nova
like if you dump ten rounds into a target (literally less than half a second of ...
This is probs overkill even, lul.
hearty panther
absolutely
assuming no other buffs thats 450~ damage on a flak target and then infernus still not included
tame lodge
This would require me to run Infernus 😭
hearty panther
feathering the trigger on the XII is a nightmare
its worth practicing but, meh
i find it intolerably slow to operate now (draw, reload speed, ready from sprint, etc.)
unreal nova
I find it okay cos whatever the draw speed of the flamer is.
hearty panther
well outside of xstance as a veteran i have no intention of hard scoping in place
im shooting and moving and sprinting and shooting and swapping to melee then back to ranged etc.
tame lodge
feathering the trigger on the XII is a nightmare
As someone that used to run the salvo blessing on recons
Holding the trigger feels better
serene bough
salvo on recon is truly how fatshark trolls its playerbase
hearty panther
its more than workable for me
i still dont use it cause i mean, havocs
20% extra damage in a salvo doesnt mean shit when that reaper is pus hardened
but salvos reset if you sprint or draw
its not sexy or exciting visually but it does exactly what it says on the tin
serene bough
3 of the 50+ bullets you're about to fire in a few seconds getting a small buff doesnt register to me as useful, but i dont use recon often enough to know how often it procs
hearty panther
thats the thing, if youre just dumping half the mag every time you draw it then obviously there's no point
if you only break it out to kill one shooter who is out of melee range, swap back to melee, repeat again for a different shooter, then the uptime is very high
but now that close range goes out to 12.5m its like
trivial to gain and maintain deathspitter stacks
serene bough
yeah
seems useless compared to recon's other blessings that people usually run
or at least much less consistent
tame lodge
Speaking of recon
Where's Sneaky Cat?
serene bough
dont know, i dont know them well enough
hearty panther
presumably lost in the hyperrealist void that is las vegas
tame lodge
Yeah that seems about right
austere mica
Gone
serene bough
never been to vegas, but after visiting san fransisco i never want to return to cali
hearty panther
vegas is not in cali
serene bough
ye its nevada
hearty panther
i too was mislead by the documentary Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
hearty panther
ive done it before lmao
serene bough
goes to show i dont live in or visit the west coast enough
hearty panther
i wont be in america any time soon
potent tusk
seems about right
tame lodge
Bro got that DRUM mag
hearty panther
more like drumkit
tame lodge
formal ice
seems a fallout weapon now
Modding gone too far
potent tusk
when i discovered i could do this i started screaming
hearty panther
it has working iron sights so it cant be a fallout weapon
potent tusk
customization is the best things in videogames fr
formal ice
it has working iron sights so it cant be a fallout weapon
It has the right casing
Not fallout weapon
potent tusk
what about this
hearty panther
the munition feeds directly into the chamber instead of magically circling around the weapon
not a fallout weapon
formal ice
what about this
It seems like a alien laser pistol
potent tusk
bro s got that smg trowher
tame lodge
Canister fed plasma gun
austere mica
Its already canister fed
tame lodge
Canister² fed plasma gun
faint beacon
actually looking at "evil gun TM" rigth now
mellow cobalt
seems about right
Would you like some gun with your mag
mellow cobalt
seems a fallout weapon now
That looks awesome ngl
frank basin
seems a fallout weapon now
Destiny exotic weapon
potent tusk
Destiny exotic weapon
naaa dont remember me bout that game
frank basin
potent tusk
bought every dlc for more than 200 dollars just to grind 400 hourd
frank basin
I brought old dlc exclude final shape
Overspent anyway
That time I grind heir apparent @potent tusk was such insanity for me
Then catalyst
Again insanity
unreal nova
bought every dlc for more than 200 dollars just to grind 400 hourd
Dooktide is 10% that and is grind 400+ hours as well.
frank basin
Slayertide
unreal nova
Look, you fight Nurgle stuff, what more do you expect?
frank basin
Frametide
formal ice
Ogryntide
potent tusk
Dooktide is 10% that and is grind 400+ hours as well.
yea but its free
faint beacon
Truly darktide gameplay when you watch someone let a flamer run ontop of you whilst you're disabled and shoot its pack and kill it directly ontop of you
potent tusk
I brought old dlc exclude final shape
i bough final space too
shape
because my brothers play destiny 2
and have like
3k hours
and wanted me to play it with them
frank basin
Is he also pvp dedicate?
potent tusk
who?
frank basin
Your bro
potent tusk
kinda
unreal nova
yea but its free
Not the $200+ DLCs lul.
potent tusk
they both play d2
frank basin
No shit
potent tusk
at a vewry high level
frank basin
Gear score
They have high gear score
I only reached soft cap only
High gear meant as pinnacle cap
potent tusk
wait
for level i dont mean light
XD
i mean
he completed kings fall tri like 1 month ago
trio"
also he got vog duo flawless
potent tusk
Not the $200+ DLCs lul.
??
this game has dlcs?
also
honestly at least for no this game seems much less grindy than d2
unreal nova
No. I mean Destiny 2.
Someone tried getting me to play it. I said, only if you are getting me all the actual non-pure cosmetic content. He shut up soon after.
Cos I would like to play the story in order if I do play it.
potent tusk
honestly
the game is in a bad state
also
i never played a grindier game than that
i think i played
every horde shooter known to existence
its my favorite genre and i love them all
but destiny
like
its good
but to start playng it
you need at least 1000 hours of grind
and thats a big no for me
worst thing
is doing red weapons
dont know if you know what they are but
hell nah
spawn rate is so low you have no idea,you need to farm the same step of a specific activity (like a raid) only to maybe,maybe get 1 red weapon a hour
and you need five for one single weapon out of the 500 plus there are in the game
mellow cobalt
the game is in a bad state
Thought u were talking abt darktide for a sec and i awa
potent tusk
Thought u were talking abt darktide for a sec and i awa
nah this game is goated
bought it 3 days ago and have 30 hours,had nothing to do in thje weekend XD
thats an unhealthy amount of hours
unreal nova
bought it 3 days ago and have 30 hours,had nothing to do in thje weekend XD
Also, Tide games will ruin your enjoyment of First Person melee hack & slash combat.
You'll chase a better one but never find it.
potent tusk
honestly
im not a big melee fan
i like it in this gamer
game
a lot
but i never go out of my way to play melee based games
unreal nova
Is why ppl put up with the dumb things at times.
potent tusk
maybe only problem i have w this game is that movement feels a bit clunky
like there are some things i cannot get the hang of
why you can only jump while running and why if you dash while going forward you dash behind
terse idol
There is just no dash forward
unreal nova
Clunky? Err, what are your dodge settings?
terse idol
Ohhh
potent tusk
wait
terse idol
You have jump and dodge on one button
terse idol
You want to separate them to separate buttons
potent tusk
You have jump and dodge on one button
whattt
unreal nova
Accessiblity to tweak functionality as well.
terse idol
This is why you can only jump while running forward
unreal nova
Some like always dodge.
terse idol
You can spam space while moving left to jump to the left
But uhhh
Dedicate one button to jump only
One button to dodge only
potent tusk
yall might have saved me
unreal nova
If controller, Alt 1 is the only playable preset.
terse idol
You don't want to be jumping because you spammed dodge abit too much
unreal nova
Then just rebind lul.
unreal nova
I'm surprised that wasn't the first thing you checked. XD
frank basin
Smudgels :3
tall torrent
i have both on space
Yea that’s default
I recommend keeping dodge on space cuz you’ll press it a lot, and bind jump to smth else that’s still easy to press
unreal nova
Is just classic Tide stuff.
potent tusk
movement felt so clunky
loud belfry
alt is a natural dodge button
unreal nova
You find out more from the community.
potent tusk
never seen a game where you can only jump while running
tall torrent
After you make this change it should be much more fluid
unreal nova
Ah, side buttons.
tall torrent
i think imma keep jump on space bar and put dodge on my mosu
Dodge is pressed significantly more than jump
Jump is usually only for mantling over objects
potent tusk
well imma try both and see witch one is better
potent tusk
Some ppl press side buttons alot.
ye i had crouch on r6s there so i pretty much used side buttons a lot
latent parcel
Jump on alt left and dodge on space so u can still press both with ur thumb.
potent tusk
Jump on alt left and dodge on space so u can still press both with ur thumb.
what?? how
hearty panther
considering ive had spacebar be my jump button for every single relevant game for 30 fucking years of my life, i thought moving it to left alt for darktide would really fuck with me
latent parcel
I meant not together
hearty panther
turns out though, that no
hearty panther
there was maybe a week or two of adjustment and then very rare occasions of panic where i was pressing space to jump/mount but eventually that passed
mellow cobalt
nah this game is goated
Frrrr
terse idol
Smudgels :3
mellow cobalt
you re about to discover the best thing ever mate
????
terse idol
Jump on alt left and dodge on space so u can still press both with ur thumb.
Its preference frfr
I started with v2
unreal nova
turns out though, that no
Muscle memory basically. I keep pressing left bumper in Crime Boss and Payday 2/Raid World War cos dodge lul.
terse idol
Without having dedicated buttons for a while
terse idol
My muscle memory is chilling
potent tusk
WTF
loud belfry
it's probably good for your brain to change up binds and get used to them again
orchid hemlock
I don't mind shift being the run and dodge for me
hearty panther
it's probably good for your brain to change up binds and get used to them again
me rebinding all my keys upon discovering how to actually play Sifu after 50hrs
terse idol
Oh sweet jesus
potent tusk
literally bo3 s hvk
hearty panther
man sifu was a good time
orchid hemlock
Yes
potent tusk
if oyu start running doesnt dodge cancel the action?
unreal nova
You run forwards, you dodge if you press backwards or sides.
orchid hemlock
U can't dodge forward
unreal nova
I think.
orchid hemlock
U can slide forward
potent tusk
You run forwards, you dodge if you press backwards or sides.
makes sense actually
no way there s bunny hop in this game lmao
when you jump left or right and jump again right when you touch the ground you maintain lots of stamina
dunno if thats any useful
but thats actually cool
tall torrent
MOVEMENT FEELS SO GOOD NOW
Yea.
potent tusk
i feel stupid
tall torrent
when you jump left or right and jump again right when you touch the ground you m...
Jumping while sprinting costs stamina btw
potent tusk
always felt something was wrong but didnt understand what
tall torrent
-1 stamina per jump
potent tusk
yea saw that
tall torrent
Do be aware that weapon customization causes some instability and can lead to more crashes
potent tusk
oh aight
thanks for telling
actually i do have a problem that i had before installing any mod
and still have
when i boot for the fdirst time it says back end error
and like i have to try 2/3 times before being able to log in
tried many things but nothing but i guess i can still play so whatheve
unreal nova
That's just connection to AWS by guess.
fiery raft
what's the build for ilasgun?
mellow cobalt
yea its a nexus mod
Cool
uncut pebble
mister e
Gonna puke brb.
calm shard
that knife is dogshit holy
unyielding, crit chance, flesh tearer, lacerate
onslaught and target priority but no superiority complex or rending strikes
Born Leader instead of For The Emperor or Keep Their Heads Down
The knife and recon lasgun are both set up REALLY badly
hollow ibex
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d3d7575-3a0f-4a47-81f4-6d45b2b099ae/mi...
that question mark is doing a LOT of work
wild vortex
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d3d7575-3a0f-4a47-81f4-6d45b2b099ae/mi...
Those are certainly some Choices
wicked epoch
what do i do to make the duellingsword melt crushers
gilded wraith
heavy attack headshot, uncanny, thrust (thrust is not my favorite)
tame lodge
Uncanny
Then Precision Strikes
Then Superiority
Then Bring it down
wild vortex
what do i do to make the duellingsword melt crushers
Click heads with heavy attack and special
tall torrent
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d3d7575-3a0f-4a47-81f4-6d45b2b099ae/mi...
don't
wicked epoch
Click heads with heavy attack and special
whats a better option, power sword or the duelling
tame lodge
To what?
wild vortex
I'm a psword hater
tall torrent
whats a better option, power sword or the duelling
power sword for all rounder
wild vortex
But DS4 is basically the most overtuned weapon in the game
tall torrent
whats the purpose of the duelling tho
be cringe
wild vortex
tame lodge
With safe dodges
wicked epoch
ah
no wonder i kept dying
im so used to the psword and i never touched a dsword
so i just kept bumrushing hordes
calm shard
ill go back to the psword 6
it's extremely safe and easy to use with long dodges and kills elites in melee very easily
wicked epoch
wild vortex
The two slow thrusts instead of thrust into special is painful to watch
(I know you were just making a point)
tame lodge
My sorry ass double taking the one shot
pallid jetty
isnt it better to just make 2 hits, instead of veerrryyy looooong 1 hit
frank basin
whats the purpose of the duelling tho
A lot use of crusher killer weapon despite of one mandatory blessing that required in order to kill crusher.
Normally dueling sword can use for stabbing heavy attack on special or elite enemy non-crusher
Like mutant, flamer, ragers (not scab one)
Flesh type target effective with headshot stabbing
Special push attack dueling sword is quick poke that stagger the target, great on dreg rager precision on head, and crusher head too.
wanton dawn
whats a better option, power sword or the duelling
Cant play ds like a ps that is for sure
wanton dawn
I don't like the duelling sword. It's good though
wanton dawn
Am a vet specific so 
frank basin
You means main the vet?
wanton dawn
I mean i dont have 4-leaf clover achievement
frank basin
What’s that?
wanton dawn
4 class at lvl 30
frank basin
Oooh
Make sense
When I run plasma with ps it suck for in term mobility
I swap to Tac axe instead
Felt smoother
latent parcel
Maff hates ogryns. confirmed
frank basin
Bolt gun and ps feel like heavy moving
wanton dawn
I prefer big bold bang over swiggity mosquito
tame lodge
wanton dawn
I can do the same with ps without crit
frank basin
That exe stance swap to melee like old FotF rending before patch
frank basin
I can do the same with ps without crit
The ps6 yes
Ps6 very common use
Every vet love poking with ps
tame lodge
Well I can't test dodge blessing
wanton dawn
There's a mod for that
tame lodge
Yeah
But guess what
frank basin
Loadout config
tame lodge
💀
wanton dawn
I find ps6 better for bosses. On horde you have better dmg but lesser surv 🤷
"Just use nade lolz"
wanton dawn
My view is warped by average 35min game on havoc i guess
tame lodge
"Just use nade lolz"
Me on my way to tell people that DS Mk2 is better because it does better horde clear than mk4
frank basin
Would that would triggered meta zealot?
wanton dawn
Well, you are free to do so. I dont like either
It is like asking me for best recon build
frank basin
Ds2 horde clearing likes poking dorn territory
wanton dawn
"The one you dont play lol"
trim badger
My vet stinks so much I'm alone in the Mourning star
wanton dawn
My vet stinks so much I'm alone in the Mourning star
You smell of mod, meta and powerleveling
Just joking btw
trim badger
I don't know what powerleveling is awa
wanton dawn
Lvl 500 weapon without 3rd curio open
tame lodge
Ds2 horde clearing likes poking dorn territory
Pretty easy with Rampage and Duelist talent up
frank basin
Pretty easy with Rampage and Duelist talent up
What’s duelist does?
stoic thorn
Chatters
I will become John cadia in 4 hours
For I will get my hands on the Cadia Stands box
frank basin
For I will get my hands on the Cadia Stands box
By which voice of mankind you choose?
trim badger
Lvl 500 weapon without 3rd curio open
hehe
stoic thorn
By which voice of mankind you choose?
Voice of command
FOR CREEEEEEEED
FOR CADIA
GET THEM DEAD, RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW
frank basin
Oh you pick cutt throat
trim badger
Lvl 500 weapon without 3rd curio open
I'm just getting as much as I can
I wanna do havoc 40 on vet asap
stoic thorn
IF YOU CAN BREATHE, YOU CAN KILL
trim badger
already did it on Zealot
frank basin
That’s cutt throat personality
tame lodge
What’s duelist does?
Extra 50% weakspot/critical damage for 3 seconds on successful dodge
calm shard
that man is on a quest to mention cadia once for every dust particle it was scattered into
stoic thorn
I love this trauma goober
I believe I have a few bits and bobs leftover from intercessors
frank basin
Extra 50% weakspot/critical damage for 3 seconds on successful dodge
So no need worrying the enemy hit mass when you have high cleave damage?
stoic thorn
I can give them cadian soil vials
frank basin
Prof way my kind sound like “mercenary” archetype
stoic thorn
Anyway I don't fw Ursula Creed I'm proxying with an Imperial fist
stoic thorn
I have a Repulsor Executioner that is adorned with some cadian symbols
It's a fluffy list with a scout/kasrkin proxy
trim badger
You smell of mod, meta and powerleveling <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Here's my silly Zealot to prove your point
potent tusk
I mean i dont have 4-leaf clover achievement
Tbf seems like bringing a character to lvl 30 Is very easy and not that grindy
frank basin
Because you have access 30 talent points to assign
wanton dawn
Tbf seems like bringing a character to lvl 30 Is very easy and not that grindy
Tbf i dont wanna
frank basin
That given you advantage
potent tusk
Tbf i dont wanna
Fair
stoic thorn
I love my Imperial Fists and cadians
wanton dawn
Once i get bored out of vet without getting bored of dt maybe
trim badger
Tbf seems like bringing a character to lvl 30 Is very easy and not that grindy
So far I have been playing a few hours and my vet is at 21 so
it's pretty quick yea
wanton dawn
Am lvl 1800 on vet
potent tusk
Am lvl 1800 on vet
Seems like a really fun character ngl
Choose It because i like fps games mainly
wanton dawn
I dont do comparison with other classes for
.. obvious reason
limber pawn
guys whats dump stat for helbore lasgun?İ
hollow ibex
stab
frank basin
guys whats dump stat for helbore lasgun?İ
Collateral I think (it is in the stats?)
If there is mobility on the helbore then you dump that
limber pawn
thanks
trim badger
I dont do comparison with other classes for
.. obvious reason <:KEKW_ogryn:1022...
meh my highest is Zealot with 251
frank basin
thanks
Okay collateral in helbore translate to stopping power, but not all of three mark stats dump is stopping power.
The fast charge mark is charge rate dump stats
The slow high damage is is stopping power dump stats (or you can use onslaught blessing to counter slow charge rate of the mk 3 and dump the charge rate stats)
wanton dawn
I dont do comparison cuz i have less than 100 combined lvl on other classes
wanton dawn
Vet i am
frank basin
Nice pun
frank basin
But what weapon you willing to prefer if you go zealot path?
hearty panther
i think i put like 300 levels on psyker since the last patch
cause they got such juicy changes
wanton dawn
But what weapon you willing to prefer if you go zealot path?
Bolter
frank basin
Bolter <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Melee to be specific
wanton dawn
Ds4 
frank basin
You’re on dorn path
hearty panther
so its like 1300/900/800 or smth for zealot/psyker/vet for me, and god, idk, maybe 50 on ogryn
trim badger
Ds4 <:dabron:1099703391711678607>
Hell yeah we love DS4 on this house
wanton dawn
Psyker is powerful, but not my jam rn
trim badger
(inb4 haters)
wanton dawn
I hate it
trim badger
shh... you love it
hearty panther
cant wait til it eats its nerf
wanton dawn
I bet on ds4 nerf, psyker macro nerf, havoc modifier review and recon nerf (as tradition)
Well, not sure about ds4
It is popular but internal number might be A-ok for bigfish
hearty panther
i dont think havoc mods will ever be reviewed tbh outside of legit broken interactions. and im fine with that cause what we really need is like, four more modifiers at least to rotate through
pus hardened sucks but it would suck a lot less if it was 1/8 matches instead of 1/2
wanton dawn
i dont think havoc mods will ever be reviewed tbh outside of legit broken intera...
I think blight could have lessen duration. Otherwise more variety
Blight duration is just annoying
Then again, they dont like qol
trim badger
cant wait til it eats its nerf
I'm gonna use it anyways
hearty panther
yea blight is super long lasting. i also think it needs actual counterplay when you're in a match instead of only outside of the match (your build or BoP Zealot)
trim badger
i dont think havoc mods will ever be reviewed tbh outside of legit broken intera...
I think they should create a new category of modifiers, so that "Emperor's Fading LIght" is not always a thing
hearty panther
like headshot kills on blighted enemies make them not explode, or the opposite, anything like that
trim badger
Maybe something that makes melee enemies broken, and another one that makes bosses broken
stuff like that
It's kinda zzz that a havoc stalker is more dangerous than a sniper
trim badger
like headshot kills on blighted enemies make them not explode, or the opposite, ...
another idea I had is making it spread based on a fixed %
instead of ALWAYS spreading to close foes upon killing a blight enemy
hearty panther
yea exactly, we just need more variety of shit cause ofc we find the current offerings boring after 100+ matches of it
trim badger
Moebian 21st is the biggest non modifier modifier ever
hearty panther
healthier poxwalkers that move as fast as groaners
although ironically making them flak is almost a nerf
calm shard
guys whats dump stat for helbore lasgun?İ
stability
tall torrent
and Moebian 21st needs to be made harder
No
Weapons that ignore cleave as a mechanic need to get nerfed
idle carbon
ehh, arguable
the helbore lasguns have some terrible sway
if you're running a crit las build, ammo could end up being the dump
trim badger
No
Weapons that ignore cleave as a mechanic need to get nerfed
I was just gonna suggest something like making them spawn more often but
sure ig?
tall torrent
M21st groaners are already really cracked in terms of stats
They’re the strongest horde unit by far
trim badger
well yeah that's the point of the mutation
but compared to other modifiers
it's really a non modifier modifier y'know
tall torrent
Yea it’s just flame weapons trivializing the entire game
They need to get nerfed first
tall torrent
A lot of things need nerfs
DS can get nerfed into oblivion for all I care
Give it durability stat where if u hit hard armor too much it’ll break and deal less damage (this is a joke)
calm shard
Give it durability stat where if u hit hard armor too much it’ll break and deal ...
dark souls durability bar
tall torrent
Flame weapons and psyker’s VB staff need to have target capped per attack instance
Shredder frags can have its bleed stacks nerfed from 6 to 5 (and buff twinned blast chance so there’s a way to compensate while costing talent econ)
Plasma needs a stat rework as a whole
trim badger
Plasma needs a stat rework as a whole
I'll try to get havoc 40 on vet before this happens lol
I just tried it yesterday for the first time
tall torrent
I'll try to get havoc 40 on vet before this happens lol
U don’t need plasma for h40
trim badger
and holy moly it's the most fun gun I ever used
tall torrent
Recon is easier
trim badger
U don’t need plasma for h40
Yeah but I don't play vet
austere mica
and holy moly it's the most fun gun I ever used
Insane person
trim badger
Recon is easier
k fair enough
tall torrent
Yea then recon is easier
trim badger
Insane person
I always liked these kind of weapons in fps
carabine rifle style weapons
tall torrent
Insane person
Plasma is fun
trim badger
precise, no need to aim down sights
tall torrent
precise, no need to aim down sights
Oh nvm
trim badger
I FIXED IT
I meant as aiming down sights
like, you can be fully precise without the need to be in aiming position
hearty panther
i love the aesthetic but boy it gets dull quickly
tall torrent
what do you think?
U can very safely disregard most build suggestions on gameslantern as a whole tbh
They’re not very good
fiery raft
oh i see
well how would one build recon lasgun then?
i see people lasering crushers down and it looks sick
calm shard
that's using the onslaught skill on the talent tree
it's a meme
not really worth the skill point investment when you can just 2 shot them with a power sword, dueling sword, or combat axe with similar investment on the skill tree
(or no investment at all in the case of the power sword)
hearty panther
or just krak them
calm shard
or just krak them
if you krak them they are guaranteed to die to someone or something else before the krak goes off
Kraks are unironically probably the worst blitz in the game
terse idol
shredders aareee betterr
hollow ibex
just had a vet that did bottom damage, with most ammo taken and most downs, did nothing but spray his onslaught recon mk xii all game
including a double dip on an ammo crate when two of us were on yellow ammo
onslaught recon vets are the staffker of vets
he went down, 40 meters behind the rest of us
austere mica
Staff psykers actually do damage
hollow ibex
yeah true mb mb
fiery raft
onslaught just seems so fun
hollow ibex
it's ok if you know what you're doing
tall torrent
he went down, 40 meters behind the rest of us
Come play Dk2 co-op
trim badger
he went down, 40 meters behind the rest of us
How he probably feels after saying that:
tall torrent
hollow ibex
How he probably feels after saying that:
to his credit
trim badger
LOL
hollow ibex
Come play Dk2 co-op
no, and stop asking reeeee
i mean, gotta give him credit. he knows he's playing like an idiot
did he fix his ways? no
but he's aware, so that's better than most already
tall torrent
I’m very curious as to how u got the “get shot 10 times in vest and not die” achievement within like 2 hours of playing the game
tall torrent
what would be a better recon lasgun build?
Build an optimal melee that happens to have a recon
hollow ibex
I’m very curious as to how u got the “get shot 10 times in vest and not die” ach...
i got show 10 times in the vest by AKS-74Us prob
it was not a clean run
tall torrent
i got show 10 times in the vest by AKS-74Us prob <:KEKW_ogryn:102207718832290616...
Good news for you that 5.45 in that game sucks gigantic balls usually
tall torrent
like powersword?
Any u want tbh? As long as it’ll deal with armor well
hollow ibex
Good news for you that 5.45 in that game sucks gigantic balls usually
i think most of them just don't have AP ammo tbf
fiery raft
Any u want tbh? As long as it’ll deal with armor well
okay
tall torrent
i think most of them just don't have AP ammo tbf
There’s only 1 enemy faction with AP ammo and they’re an extremely rare occurrence (only spawned in specific missions)
fiery raft
oh okay
tall torrent
I would have written “must have” otherwise
I’m very literal in my writing
Do not assume anything that’s not written
fiery raft
understood
sage cairn
ello vets
for spearhead boltgun
what blessings and perks do I want?
dump stat is collateral yes?
tall torrent
for spearhead boltgun
what blessings and perks do I want?
dump stat is colla...
Flak
Maniac
Pinning fire
Puncture
Dump mobility
Collateral reduces shots needed to open bulwark (from 6 to 5, and can open them in 2 with exe stance)
sage cairn
aight thanks
warm walrus
is exhilarating takedown cringe or aight
i saw the guide, and while it looks neat i have to go through longshot for it
tall torrent
is exhilarating takedown cringe or aight
Not worth
warm walrus
Not worth
good to know, two free points for me then
im currently stuck with a scandar because the servitor for some godforsaken reason won't give me an achlys ps
warm walrus
Not worth
stability affects recoil or am i remembering wrong
my bolter dumped stability and while i know better now, im using it until i find something better
tall torrent
stability affects recoil or am i remembering wrong
On most weapons yes
Not all of them
Stability doesn’t affect recoil on boltgun
But it affects spread and sway
Spread is hip fire
warm walrus
will do. i dump mobility on bolter right?
tall torrent
I think mobility is better dump
U don’t normally sprint around with it often anyway
warm walrus
aye aye, yeah my bolter dumped stability so ill watch for a better one
i got it before masteries existed
also
helbore gun
another vet was kicking major ass and saved the entire team with it, and now i wanna try
what marks you guys run on it?
tall torrent
what marks you guys run on it?
all 3 are ok
warm walrus
alright
aside plasma and bolter
im also looking at inf lasgun 2b and helbore
recon lasgun too for dumdum and infernus
how'd recon become meta anyways? i remember it was ass a long time ago, but i missed the part where it got buffed
warm walrus
damage per shot?
normal sparrow
Plenty of buffs too
warm walrus
huh, alright
well, whatever, im gonna go the usual infernus dumdum to see what happened
hearty panther
pretty much my favourite automatics rn
although
i was one of those fucken weirdos who used them even when they were mostly shit
ye olde mark 6d
miss when that baby had reverse damage fall off
warm walrus
aye aye
hearty panther
they also have a baller reload cancel
warm walrus
sort of a mess of things all at once
that actually nailed what i was asking
i was curious if it became good over time or if it suddenly went from garbage to godlike
sounds like the latter
hearty panther
nah the full arc was
hearty panther
singular niche mark > one week of infinite ammo shocktrooper > decent high ammo weapon and one usable niche mark > niche mark nerfed > good with one bad mark
wild vortex
Isn't Bolter still wild
wanton dawn
Cant compare
marsh quiver
does bleed apply to captain's shields?
hollow ibex
Isn't Bolter still wild
well it was really bad for a while
hearty panther
old bolter had pinning fire stacking 100% and old vet could instareload with ult
wanton dawn
Bolter was almost mandatory for bugged green boss maelstrom
sage cairn
does bolter refer to the spearhead boltgun? or the bolt pistol? or both?
sage cairn
ahhh thanks gotcha
while I'm here for a bit. What curio main stats does Vet want?
sage cairn
dang that stamina above 410 gonna haunt me for awhile
ima try sir melk's lottery
are there also any specific bolter builds? or it just slots in to anything?
calm shard
how are the randoms I'm getting tonight real
hollow ibex
ahhh thanks gotcha
while I'm here for a bit. What curio main stats does Vet wa...
guide recommends 2 hp + 1 toughness, which i also think is optimal outside of havoc
the number of times that i've been fucked by pubbies pushing bursters into me, failing to push bursters, ignoring bursters completely, etc.
makes it very worthwhile to take 2 hp
sage cairn
✍️ gotcha
hollow ibex
there's no hard and fast rule really, just don't take more than 1 stam unless you're memeing with deadshot
terse idol
Don't take 1 stamina unless you got a plan imo 😌
sage cairn
isnt stam used for everything
hollow ibex
sprinting, pushing and blocking
and deadshot ig
i usually take no stam, but some people like having stam
stoic thorn
For I will get my hands on the Cadia Stands box
tame lodge
Yesnt
tropic halo
More like cacadia
umbral scaffold
So I take one stamina curio
I have also 1 I drain stamina like crazy love combat knife and a lot of movement don't you use duck and dive and/or invigroated ?
tame lodge
Invigorated is kinda meh ngl
umbral scaffold
I play mostly play revolver/ "super shotgun" and combat knife weapon quick change based build
My biggest problem with stamina was occasionally blocking some heavy atack but I have some block efficiently now
calm shard
block efficiency is outright bad on every class except Psyker sometimes
umbral scaffold
Im trying to find balance between being tanky and doing good dmg
tropic halo
I might not like kraks but still sounds a fun build
umbral scaffold
But you lose a reloading and DMG when you want to be more tough
sage cairn
I just alt-tab'd back to this its like we nearly have an identical build
umbral scaffold
And for good vet revolver shotgun I think it's to much cost
sage cairn
just swap krak for shredder
umbral scaffold
I just have zealot soul so even in playing vet I rush and use a lot of melee go into middle of action that's why I make him more tough
umbral scaffold
block efficiency is outright bad on every class except Psyker sometimes
Then what solution you have on blocking heavy attack with knife or when you are ovelhelmed by a horde ? I mean when your only option at the moment is blocking( you cannot doge or use abilliry)
My stamina is drained really fast in this kind of situations
calm shard
uh well you see you use this funny quirk of the knife called mobility
to not be in that situation in the first place
austere mica
Then what solution you have on blocking heavy attack with knife or when you are ...
You are going to die anyway
umbral scaffold
But I don't because of blocking
calm shard
and yeah you would die anyways because you fucked up and got overwhelmed by a horde somehow with the highest mobility weapon in the game
austere mica
Utilize positioning to prevent this from happening
Or take an instant CC weapon to bail you out
umbral scaffold
Utilize positioning to prevent this from happening
Yeah most of the time I avoid it
austere mica
Btw, drop exploit weakness and drop a point somewhere to grab Reciprocity
umbral scaffold
I have one knife 80 mobility but 60 piercing and the other is 60 mobility and 80 piercing
austere mica
I would recommend one of the red “on ability activation” talents
umbral scaffold
The I guess I have to choose mobility over piercing
calm shard
absolutely not
austere mica
Mobility as a stat is just irrelevant at this point
umbral scaffold
Because I use the 80 piercing one
fiery raft
the brace autogun is asssss
There has to be a way to make it okay
austere mica
If you max your weapon you are getting the full dodges of your weapon
austere mica
There has to be a way to make it okay
There is, but not a main weapon
It’s a great sidearm
fiery raft
for what specifically?
austere mica
Dense shit you don’t want to fight in melee
calm shard
they also have pretty great suppression and stagger
austere mica
Dreg ragers, poxwalkers you want gone fucking yesterday to pick someone up
fiery raft
I'll try this
austere mica
Sadly Cara chestplates on scab ragers limit its effectiveness against them
fiery raft
isn't that basically recon lasgun?
fiery raft
oh good point
austere mica
And doesn’t need to worry over ammo if used right
tame lodge
I have one knife 80 mobility but 60 piercing and the other is 60 mobility and 80...
I didn't tell you this but you can use the 60 penetration one as long as you have Uncanny Strike
But once again
I didn't tell you that
wheat stratus
there is that talent actually makes fast firing weapon able to kill crushers decently
the problem is the accuracy, that gun is like a budget ogyrn stubber
austere mica
Onslaught isn’t worth it for brautos
wheat stratus
don't remember the name, bottom right
calm shard
But once again
I didn't tell you that
austere mica
Which gets attack speed
austere mica
Wdym it’s down with all the funky melee stuff
fiery raft
and is fun from what I've tried
yeah but the way to get it is kind of annoying
you need to spend atleast 3 talent points to get it
umbral scaffold
But once again
I didn't tell you that
Thank kind sir 
light ridge
Infiltration vet in Ascension Riser:
Run both train batteries
Activate skull
Rez team mate
Everyone runs off into different directions
Die
light ridge
you need to spend atleast 3 talent points to get it
Those 3 talents give:
+5% Melee damage (ok'ish)
Duck & Dive (nice on both Infiltration and VoC) or Close Quarter Kill Zone (nice on VoC)
.25 stamina recovery speed (nice on any Vet build)
summer lance
what mark, blessings, and perks for devils claw sword?
summer lance
Flak then Maniacs or something
looking at veteran guide, and that seems to be it
would unyielding be worth taking over flak for mor boss damage from parries?
tame lodge
You want flak because that's the weakness of dclaw
calm shard
also that
summer lance
You want flak because that's the weakness of dclaw
got it
umbral scaffold
Btw, drop exploit weakness and drop a point somewhere to grab Reciprocity
How bout this then with revolver
calm shard
no toughness regen, and also skirmisher is bad
wanton dawn
How bout this then with revolver
Oh yeah, might want some thoughness regen that isnt shout
umbral scaffold
Ok let me see
Im and just trying out things in game something looks good on paper but in game it can be shit
I will play in a few hours
fiery raft
Those 3 talents give:
+5% Melee damage (ok'ish)
Duck & Dive (nice on both Infilt...
i just think there are other things you can use talent points on
that are also very good yknow?
like, better options
dawn garnet
you know what i REALLY fucking hate about grenades
underhand throw needs 2 clicks
overhand needs 1
isnt the whole idea behind an underhand throw that its an oh shit button
unreal nova
isnt the whole idea behind an underhand throw that its an oh shit button
I always panic overhand into my feet so... doesn't matter.
potent tusk
isnt the whole idea behind an underhand throw that its an oh shit button
Whaaaaat how do you do that
potent tusk
So wait
balmy flume
isnt the whole idea behind an underhand throw that its an oh shit button
It did get a bit training to get it, yea
potent tusk
If you Press left click without right xlicking you ll throw the granade the "normal way?"
fiery raft
yeah overhand
unreal nova
Under is just shorter range toss.
potent tusk
I Always aimed It before launching It lmao
unreal nova
It matters not to a grenadier.
terse idol
Imo if you're taking revolver you're gonna want to gear towards infiltrate and or find a way to get 'always prepated'
hearty panther
yea always perpendicular is very important
terse idol
Take out kill zone too, because it's expensive for ya