veteran-class

[steep flower]

the only bad thing about green chainsword is its push attack which is a stab

[light ridge]

Less than people make it out to be

[grand lintel]

most of the content on builds online seem to be from 1 year/2 years ago. How much of it is relevant these days? As i understand it this game is pretty different from how it was on release. I only got this game a couple weeks ago

[steep flower]

Wrath is always a mandatory for it; light attacks cover too little to be able to effectively clear a horde

[tardy arrow]

(it's literally a Combat Blade Polearm with a small Halberd-style pick on the back of the Combat Blade and the butt is a morningstar head)

[tame lodge]

So there
Good horde clear and a mean bite

Praise be the Xiiig

Although it's better on Zealot

That's for sure

[steep flower]

the only time such overhead attacks are nice at horde clear is the zealot greatsword mk II

[tardy arrow]

My Vet main unironically

[steep flower]

otherwise no

[stoic thorn]

Praise the cadian chainsword

[tardy arrow]

I love XIIIg so much, it's not Mk XV Eviscerator but it'll do my Vet fine

[tardy arrow]

I use the true Cadian build

Lasgun and Chainsword

[steep flower]

Seen too many ppl die to a horde while using MK XIIIg

no joke

can't unsee that

[tardy arrow]

Depends on what you're looking for, since Fatshark doesn't really do arrowhead-esque huge balance passes

Infantry Lasgun info is relevant since Patch #14 or so

[tardy arrow]

But how

[steep flower]

I just saw it... I WANT IT

[light ridge]

Never had that problem
Those vets probably forget they have frags too

[tardy arrow]

Told you you'd want it! I want it too 👉👈

[steep flower]

Some used kraks that is also no joke

[tardy arrow]

I remember this one Bolter + Chainsword Vet (never trust a Bolter Vet) who died 1-2 times in every room

[tardy arrow]

I use Frags with my Chainsword and Lasgun 😋

[grand lintel]

I see, a lot of the names of specific marks for example seem different so I was just wondering if I should just disregard anything that old or something

[sleek garden]

No you're dumb it has style points for rev stab

[light ridge]

But how?

[unreal nova]

Only if I'm on psyker, that thing helps nothing if you roll EK with it and assail, bubble, DD.

[tardy arrow]

Genuinely have ZERO idea

[sleek garden]

I jest

[tardy arrow]

Yeah, just make sure to go through old patch notes if you wanna make sure you're not being fed outdated info

[uncut pebble]

Fatshark, in their infinite wisdom, renamed a bunch of weapons for no reason. Anything old referencing "ciag" or "columnus infantry autogun" now refers to "viag" or "vraks infantry autogun."

[sleek garden]

It does feel pretty cool to rev the chainsword and put a hole in someone though

[tardy arrow]

Mine can oneshot Crushers on critical special heavy, it's pretty funny to see

(bc of my build ofc)

[light ridge]

Love getting a Shred on the upwards slash against a Mauler, right in the soft bits

[uncut pebble]

Anyway, we offer build advice for whatever in every channel. There's an entry level build for vet players floating around here somewhere by Path.

[light ridge]

Hasn't happened for me yet, Reapers, Ragers, Maulers but not Crushers

[steep flower]

even tho it has no survivalist and uses kraks

but to each their own

[grand lintel]

that's hilarious, I've just been going through the veteran weapons and completing the masteries for them so there wasn't something in particular I was looking for. Just saves a lot of time looking up viable builds than doing my own tweaking and it was something I've noticed.

[stoic thorn]

FOR CADIA!

[grand lintel]

Though im sure if you're just good enough you can run with anything, sadly though I don't have that luxury having just started lmao

[steep flower]

Planet broke before the guard did!

[tardy arrow]

I use the +10% rending passive, bloodletter, wrath (neither of my perks involve carapace), serrated blade (bleed stacks on all melee hits) and it figures stuff out

[stoic thorn]

FOR CREEEEEEED

[calm shard]

god especially the fucking psyker staves

trauma staff renamed to voidblast

voidstrike stays the same though

[tardy arrow]

I think the weakspot damage talent MIGHT contribute as well, ofc there's also the anti-ogryn and anti-elite talents but that's obvious on a build like mine

[calm shard]

so good luck with that

[uncut pebble]

This is extremely inefficient.

[stoic thorn]

I use

[tardy arrow]

It's extremely fun is what it is

[stoic thorn]

Recon las and chainsword

[light ridge]

I got most of that except Serrated Blade, I don't see how 1 bleed stack is going to make a difference

[sullen jackal]

they need to rename the fire staff to voidblaze and surge to voidshock

[stoic thorn]

It's surprisingly useful

[calm shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/720212521612607509/1266110730361507931/deepfry.gif

[uncut pebble]

Not mutually exclusive.

[stoic thorn]

Given I can piss on people with the amount of fire stacks

[unreal nova]

Survivalist and frags/kraks. Bad otherwise.

[tardy arrow]

Well I don't go crapping all over your minmaxed builds mate so lay off would ya

[unreal nova]

Cos they failed to keep it from being broken?

[tardy arrow]

Love the good old DoT build, stack as many burns and bleeds as possible

[unreal nova]

Is knoife mercykiller related, I think.

[tardy arrow]

Serrated Blade is pretty underrated, especially on Helbore

[uncut pebble]

Serrated blade is only really taken with knives and shovels.

[tardy arrow]

Helbore with serrated blade is capable of just deleting and deleting and deleting

[stoic thorn]

I piss lasbolts

And I have gonorrhea

I can delete hordes with this one simple trick

[uncut pebble]

Knives get uncanny strike and mercy killer to shit all over armor, shovels get uncanny strike and skullcrusher to take advantage of free DOT damage boosts.

[stoic thorn]

3 stacks of RWS

For the emperor talent

Voice of command

Dum dum and infernus

[tardy arrow]

I wish Infantry Lasguns could be held down to continuously fire

Repetitive strain injuries and carpal tunnels exist

[calm shard]

there's a mod for that

[stoic thorn]

I'd use the Infantry Las if I didn't suck shit at aiming

[uncut pebble]

Full auto mod exists.

[tardy arrow]

It should be a base feature

[light ridge]

Would recon proc it? Never thought about that...

[uncut pebble]

Same with keep swinging.

[calm shard]

yeah but fatshark doesn't do base features

they do modding support

[uncut pebble]

"Support."

[stoic thorn]

Seriously I suck shit at it

[tardy arrow]

Nah, that's why I've got my Chainsword on me

[stoic thorn]

There was a period I managed to lock tf in

And ran exe stance with lasgun

[steep flower]

Its a saying you goofball

[tardy arrow]

Just perma stack DoTs loads of fun

[stoic thorn]

But I get getting touched by hordes while playing sniper tf2

[uncut pebble]

It's melee only. Helbores get a bayonet attack that sets off melee talents.

[light ridge]

Then I don't see the point of 1 stack per hit when a Shred gives 14 stacks

[unreal nova]

No, I am reading everything as is.

[iron atlas]

aigt very concise explanation thahnk you

[stoic thorn]

It gives you 15 on a chainsword rev strike now

[tardy arrow]

They do implement mods as official features

[steep flower]

especially since the bajonet jab does alot of dmg; the enemy will die to the stab than the bleed

[tardy arrow]

With 80% finesse you can swing it pretty fast

[unreal nova]

After 3 years, I guess. Still no basic accessiblity feature to remove filters.

[tardy arrow]

Makes clearing hordes an absolute breeze, just stack and stack and stack

[light ridge]

Might give it a shot, though I mostly run chainsword on my Infiltration Recon build which doesn't have any points to spare

[calm shard]

I mean most enemies will also just die to the stab at all if you run agile engagement

so I don't see the point of the bleed gimmick

[tardy arrow]

It's funny to hit smth and run away cackling

Same with burn

Stack Infernus on a guy and then he does while you're in cover

[light ridge]

I do run Infernus on my recon with Elite Damage, fun stuff

[light ridge]

With Onslaught and 10% rending

Anyone getting the occasionally one-shot on half Toughness for no apparent reason
Mostly seems to happen when I'm running and there's a bruiser behind me
I try to go into slide and suddenly I'm faceplanted instead

[uncut pebble]

That's how toughness works.

[light ridge]

Too used to Iron Will I suppose

[steep flower]

Sliding does not protect you from melee

only from ranged

Don't try to slide on melee hits or you will be sliding down to your grave

[calm shard]

that's how toughness works

toughness causes you to take less damage from melee attacks based on your toughness percent

if you're at half toughness then half of the full melee attack damage goes through

[charred pulsar]

Is the axe a good weapon nowadays?

[calm shard]

very yes

on vet Rashad combat axe is better than dueling sword

[charred pulsar]

For real? thats excellent, may I know why tho

[calm shard]

It is very good at everything for the minor downside of being a bit dependent on its push attack, and needing investment on the talent tree

[unreal nova]

It just needs more investments to make the most out of it.

[charred pulsar]

Oh I see, what kind of investment?

[uncut pebble]

Not really. You take the talents it wants anyway.

[unreal nova]

While DS is a free slot in.

[charred pulsar]

Bottom right side I guess no?

[unreal nova]

Depends on build tbh.

[uncut pebble]

You need weapon spec to make rashad work right.

Otherwise it's too slow.

[calm shard]

I sure fucking don't when I'm playing Exe stance or Target Priority

[uncut pebble]

Yeah you do lmao, if you can't take said talents then you are investing far too much in your gun.

[charred pulsar]

Great, I think I wont need to do many changes in my build then

[native robin]

DS feels like a trap because a nerf seems almost inevitable at this point and everyone who built their class around it is in for a rude awakening when that happens

[unreal nova]

Like on a recon, GL with the points.

[charred pulsar]

Ohhh snap

[uncut pebble]

Recons are point hungry but again you still take the same talents rashad wants, even keystoneless.

[steep flower]

Brutal momentum is mandatory for combat axe; without it you have no cleave

[uncut pebble]

You just won't have the swing speed weapon spec grants if you take recon.

[steep flower]

Rashad is a monster

[charred pulsar]

The build Im trying to use the axe don't have the 10% att speed node, but it dure does have the combat swap keystone

[charred pulsar]

Thats what happening to me rn

[uncut pebble]

How are you pathing to weapon spec without taking trench fighter drill...

Post your talent tree

[charred pulsar]

Aig give me 5 mins, Im just remembering stuff without seeing the build on the pc

brb

[unreal nova]

Easy, onslaught side.

[uncut pebble]

Onslaught is a waste.

The only thing it does is let you kill crushers, and you shouldn't waste ammo on them, anyway.

[calm shard]

yeah beacuse the recon lasgun of all guns is concerned about "wasting" ammo

I'm certain psykers are worried about wasting peril on their staves too

[uncut pebble]

It is. Why do you have such shit takes all the time?

[charred pulsar]

Indeed indeed just going trrrrr trrr on everything feels nice

[uncut pebble]

This is proper pathing with rashad, taking bare minimum talents, you have 4 points to play with.

Could take rending strikes + bring it down + fully loaded.

[charred pulsar]

I like using out for blood 😩

[uncut pebble]

I mean, you can take that instead of the middle pathing.

Middle pathing up top is just standard.

Same point cost either way.

[vivid silo]

If using it for Havoc I would recommend the 10% melee damage talent aswell. Not needed outside though

[unreal nova]

5% move speed stab stab.

[uncut pebble]

You don't need rending for rashad, you take it for recon. :P

[charred pulsar]

Oh no for havoc I already got a whole different build, this recon axe build is just for the sake of variety

Aig pc is on, lets see

[cloud thunder]

@uncut pebble he’s right on this one though.

[charred pulsar]

Hmmm hmmm I have to sacrifice a bunch of must stuff for recon if I try to get onslaugh

dont want to left extra ammo and the no ammo consume on crit thing left either

[uncut pebble]

You wind up burning a quarter of a mag on one crusher. That is not worth it at all.

[cloud thunder]

On a crit build with shock trooper? It’s not bad at all.

I run it all the time even in havoc 40

[charred pulsar]

No, Im not sacrificing onslaugh, guess Ill need another melee weapon

what melee is okay without the 10% att speed?

[cloud thunder]

Take your pick

[charred pulsar]

That sounds nice

[cloud thunder]

Dueling sword, power sword, knife, etc

Depends on your playstyle so can’t really tell you

Something you gotta feel out

[unreal nova]

That sounds more like soloing a boss by shooting it.

[unreal nova]

Paper sword, hrm...

[charred pulsar]

I see, knife and dueling are out of the question these are already being used and dont want to repeat weapons between builds

[cloud thunder]

It would sound like that to you since you got shit ping and packet loss

Anyways

[calm shard]

power sword should just shatter on contact with carapace if you swing unpowered

[charred pulsar]

So that leave me with the power sword

[cloud thunder]

Psword but it takes some adjusting and getting used to with the activation

There’s other options I’m sure

If you don’t like psword

Those are the 3 I’ve mainly experimented with so

[charred pulsar]

Like which one? I used it just a little bit before but you turn reeeeally slow when using it

[cloud thunder]

Knife and psword are my favorites

[calm shard]

sho 🇧 el

[charred pulsar]

Ohh what mark on shovel btw?

Also is antax axe really that bad without the att speed?

[calm shard]

antax axe has even slower heavies than rashad

[charred pulsar]

Sigh

Oh so Rashad is the faster one?

[calm shard]

antax has a faster special and push attack, but the heavies are agonizingly slow

[charred pulsar]

Testimg it rn

Whats the purpose on those specials? with tac axe at least you can stun muttis out of their charge for style points

[calm shard]

well they have very high stagger

but the heavy attacks and push attack do as well soooooooooooooooo

[charred pulsar]

Oh

[terse idol]

I'd certainly recommend the combat axe

Ze rashad

[charred pulsar]

Oh well Ill give it a try to Rashad axe without the extra att speed and see how it goes

[terse idol]

As long as you've built it properly it'll be good

Without trench fighter it feels much clunkier

[charred pulsar]

Indeed indeed, just want something to smack specials, recon will do the main job anyway

Also, best blessings for rashad?

[terse idol]

Headtaker, Brutal momentum

you need to take +Unarmoured as a perk at minimum

[uncut pebble]

Deathblow, headtaker, and I believe unarmored carapace for perks.

[terse idol]

and the other should be + carapace

[terse idol]

There isn't death blow for rashad

[charred pulsar]

Noted on my way to swap it

[terse idol]

[uncut pebble]

Deathblow is what I remembered, it's the same thing as bm.

[terse idol]

Yeah that's fair

Me being semantics police

[uncut pebble]

Db is just hsword variant bc apparently fatshark wants it to sound special. :P

[cloud thunder]

I tested both extensively tbh

Middle and right path

Middle is far better in sustain

It’s very noticeably stronger

[charred pulsar]

Got it

[terse idol]

Well

Right path in theory is better

B4b

[cloud thunder]

I initially ran right path and then I tested middle

Then I was like

What the fuck

[terse idol]

It increases your toughness gained on melee kills

[cloud thunder]

That’s what I thought too

[terse idol]

And toughness gained from all sources

[cloud thunder]

Right

I thought same thing

But when I went down middle, I was like what

Became way easier to carry even more

[terse idol]

Eh

I think both are good

The value of the weapon swap can't be undersold either imo

And the change being when I think about it

[charred pulsar]

Prefer out for blood tbh

[calm shard]

value of weapon swap can be easily undersold because it's actually barely noticable on anything that isn't a bolter, plasma, or helbore

[terse idol]

I mean it's toughness gained on any source vs toughness gained over time on elite kills

[terse idol]

Yeah you're kinda right

[calm shard]

even on the bolter/plasma it's not much

it's noticable but still very small

helbore howeverr

[charred pulsar]

Yeah a single nade pop into a horde and thoughness go up without worrying about finding a particular enemy

[calm shard]

also getting toughness back from gunning down ranged enemies

[charred pulsar]

mhmm indeed

[cloud thunder]

Try it. It’s very very noticeable.

[light ridge]

Still puzzled on how the Rashad turned out to be better at cleave than the one that gives cleave bonuses

[cloud thunder]

If you’re actually good at killing a ton of elites, it’s very very noticeable

[hearty panther]

It technically still doesn't. Brutal Momentum is just its own brand of nonsense.

[terse idol]

I played both

I went from middle now to b4b

[cloud thunder]

So you’re not fast at killing elites then?

[terse idol]

Not that i know if one or the other is better

I'm killing elites fast

I literally run like, keystonless recon and other junk and like

I dunno

[proven garden]

I just crutch on shout and cdr

[terse idol]

I can pull my weight and not die

[proven garden]

Infinite toughness

[terse idol]

With b4b

The extra toughness is probably helping me keep alive on

[cloud thunder]

I dunno how you don’t notice the difference

[terse idol]

Any source of other toughness I gain

[cloud thunder]

It’s really a huge gap

[terse idol]

I mean it's differences

[cloud thunder]

I got annoyed with myself

[terse idol]

You are gaining more toughness from

[cloud thunder]

For not running it sooner

[terse idol]

Voc

Or

[cloud thunder]

🤷‍♂️

[terse idol]

Kills into melee hordes

Over the middle

I think they're both equally viable

B4b you do gain alot of value from it

[cloud thunder]

Yeah they’re both viable

Just one is a lot more noticeable over the other is all I’m saying

[terse idol]

I mean, ahhhh damn it
In the grand scheme wouldn't you be gaining more from b4b in any given round

Eh this doesn't matter

[hollow ibex]

what's b4b?

[terse idol]

Back for blood

[hollow ibex]

the video game?

[cloud thunder]

That’s what I thought too. I asked about this a couple weeks ago here too.

[hollow ibex]

or are we talking about O4B

[cloud thunder]

Asked for confirmation even. On gaining 5% from ranged kills

[calm shard]

yeah it adds 5% to any kill you get

[cloud thunder]

Because on paper, I was like yeah…this is way better

[cloud thunder]

I know

I said I asked a couple weeks ago

[calm shard]

just throw a shredder grenade anywhere near heretics and get full toughness

[cloud thunder]

So I went down right path

[hollow ibex]

if we're talking about O4B, it's very good

[cloud thunder]

Then I tried middle path a few days ago

And I was like…yeah I’m fucking stupid

This is way better

[hollow ibex]

nah

it's build dependant

[calm shard]

I did basically the opposite

[hollow ibex]

one isn't inherently stronger than the other

[terse idol]

Woops

I should say

[calm shard]

Went with middle path, but went right path when I started getting into the helbore

[terse idol]

Our for blood

O4b

[calm shard]

and now I am severely dependent on out for blood

[terse idol]

Its not waaayy better

[cloud thunder]

I use it with recon lasgun and knife and just prioritize elites

[terse idol]

I went from middle

To right

[terse idol]

I mean

You should be doing that regardless

O4b gives you more value on every source of toughness gained

[cloud thunder]

Don’t think you understand how many elites I get

[hollow ibex]

having spent a lot of time with all 3 toughness regain talents, O4B = CK > ET

[terse idol]

I'm not bashing like middle talent

Its just not a clear cut

"This one is 100% better"

[hollow ibex]

i think people are really underestimating O4B lol

[terse idol]

A little bit

[cloud thunder]

I overestimated it

[terse idol]

Like the difference in

[hollow ibex]

but like i said, it's build dependant

[cloud thunder]

🤷‍♂️

[hollow ibex]

if you run knife

it's not going to be very good

[terse idol]

How much toughness you gain from melee kills helps

[hollow ibex]

surprise surprise

[calm shard]

it's also very personal bias dependent

[terse idol]

Yeah

I played both

[calm shard]

I like O4B because it allows me to regen toughness lost while killing basic shooters/stalkers

[terse idol]

I run your build with a recon but with a ds4

And o4b

Haven't steered me wrong

[hollow ibex]

i like it because i enjoy recovering 20% toughness with a single swing of the rashad

[calm shard]

Middle tree leaves me high and dry 5 seconds into a fight after I've gunned down all the elites in a shooter line

[hollow ibex]

it's like i'm an ogryn

but better

[terse idol]

Like it's not about focusing elites imo

That's just standard

You gotta be flexible to kill elites and kill hordes

[hollow ibex]

there have also def been times where i've been boxed in by like three bombers

can't see shit because everything is on fire / covered in green fart

and the AI director is just throwing endless hordes of trash

[uncut pebble]

At that point just run exhilarating takedown.

[hollow ibex]

can't proc CK

[calm shard]

I would rather also get the double toughness from melee kills too

The shooter regen is the main thing keeping me using it over CK, but if that was all it did I wouldn't be using it

[cloud thunder]

I didn’t know that. Thank you.

[terse idol]

Its just preference, and like suffice it to say i don't got a balanced build cause of ds4

[hearty panther]

honestly

and this is me, a very big Out for Blood fan

CK is better

just because you take Close Order to reach it, vs. One Motion for O4B

i miss Vanguard

anyway that said im happy that Confirmed Kill has been nerfed so fucking much lmao

remember when it was 25% upfront and 25% over five seconds?

[uncut pebble]

Run laspistol with weapon spec then. 15% toughness per headshot kill and up to 30% tdr with fat melee speed bonuses.

You won't need the extra 5% in melee.

[hearty panther]

that said there's still something to be said for Confirmed Kill sometimes allowing you to be a bottomless toughness battery for 10~s when shitloads of elites get dropped by your grenades/plasma/whatever

[hollow ibex]

close order is useless. just don't get hit.

[hearty panther]

iron will also confirmed useless

we take stockpile and we move on

[terse idol]

Just run ghostv

Don't get hit on ilas

[storm valve]

is there a consistent way to unlock the on overwatch penance without just having teammates carry you? or do i just need to git gud

[tame lodge]

You can't take health damage
So keep your toughness maxed

Low Intensity Malice also helps

[storm valve]

ok

[unreal nova]

??? I run knoife and found it good.

[hollow ibex]

it's going to be a fraction of what you can do with rashad

[terse idol]

Its fine

I still the mk6 horde clear ain't that bad

[hollow ibex]

oh i was still thinking of mk3

but mk6 might be what, half the horde clear speed of rashad?

[faint beacon]

Its not the best at Horde Clear like PS and Rashad where its literally click once to delete 4+ enemies

but it has Horde Clear

[terse idol]

Imo mk3 is just interior version of 6

[hollow ibex]

yeah exactly, and it's why o4b really shines with strong horde clear weapons

[hollow ibex]

pretty much 😭

mk6 hurts my hand to use

so i can only use mk3

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-crying-tears-sad-frog-gif-11760285

[faint beacon]

O4B shines on Bleed Based knifes also

this is if youre team isn't actively killing the horde you proc'd bleed on

[hollow ibex]

idk, i tried it before mk3, but horde clear still felt like shit

[faint beacon]

said fuck it and made it lmao

[austere pine]

💔

[faint beacon]

Zealot with uhhhhhhh

Crit Chance + Damage...

[austere pine]

i dunno anymore

[tropic notch]

the poop knife

[austere pine]

ogryn yelling at me to get into elevator just as horde popped up

and saying to vote kick me

vet with a 310 vigilant autogun

[tropic notch]

flesh tear is good

but not lacerate

[hollow ibex]

i've come around on lacerate for mk3

just because half the time your attacks aren't hitting weakspots anyway

[faint beacon]

Le abusing Rending Bleed

[tropic notch]

what da freak

how i love the mk3

[tropic notch]

i haven't tried uncanny with flesh tearer

is it better than mercy killer?

[unreal nova]

Is you have serrated blade, use mercykiller, if you don't... up to you.

[tropic notch]

i know that you silly billy

[unreal nova]

Is more, no point in using a bleed then if former. Latter is just up to you since bleed kinda caps too low.

[faint beacon]

Uncanny + Lac/FT if you're not doing Serrated but insist on a bleed build

Outside of that usually Run like Uncanny + Precog

[pure kindle]

That's on you.

Get on the elevator and stop fighting the enemies that spawn infinitely and will just spawn again if you loiter long enough.

[supple laurel]

thing is

the moment you go through that elevator

theyll show up on the other side

might as well kill them then and there

[pure kindle]

When they show-up on the other side, it'll be because you progressed instead of standing still, and you won't get a second horde if the first one is still active.

Additionally, you can at least get more ammo, a potential medicae, and also go the same place as all the rest of your teammates want to go.

[atomic void]

i'll start blocking every player that mass pings elevator or anything

[supple laurel]

^

wont kill you to wait 30 seconds man

[austere pine]

remind me when i'm done with this match

[atomic void]

mass ping elevator
im coming bro
stfu noob
????

[tropic halo]

Like if theres people fighting hordes, you cant just spam ping bro
Help them out and get out of the elevator

[pure kindle]

It's a team based game. Someone trying to punch enough raindrops to stop a storm is just protagonist syndrome, especially if the team is waiting on you to stop being dead weight.

[supple laurel]

real

[tropic halo]

You should speedrun the game!!!!

[atomic void]

its not protagonist syndrome bro i cant fkn just get out of 10 ragers up my ass

[supple laurel]

unless youre a zealot with a relic blade

then maybe

[terse idol]

Like to be fair if they're getting bogged doooown

[atomic void]

so true relic blades turns rager packs into paste

[terse idol]

You should probably help a tiiny bit

[atomic void]

im all for progressing and not holding the team back but mass ping = block

[supple laurel]

nahh i think ill stand there like a moron

-every malice player

[tropic halo]

Tau falling to shouty mindset
We trusted you as a vet /j

[supple laurel]

nah ill still be a vet main at heart

just taking a break really

[tropic halo]

Just joking but i feel that

One week playing only ogryn and next week only veteran

[austere pine]

we were approaching an area where 1. bad hordes already exist when you enter 2. where monstrosities almost always spawn 3. where i've seen teams die the most, in my experience, in that mission

[faint beacon]

I hate how common its becoming where im actually carrying a team with E.Stance

[austere pine]

it doesn't matter you don't get more hordes. you always get a bit of a downtime between hordes as the director recovers "points". i'd rather kill the horde, go elevator (or rather an area progression checkpoint or whatever it's called), then face whatever is on the other side

[tropic halo]

Very underrated ability

[austere pine]

what a terrible strategy to go to the next area with a horde in tail

[faint beacon]

Well I was forced into a Wipe cause a Zealot stack thought it would be a great idea to run directly into a Brute Horde

immediately get overheaded and die

and I dont have VOC or any shredders on hand

so you know what happened next

[austere pine]

the ogryn, whose mission it wasn't (havoc) (meaning he wasn't risking his rank), then went on to intentionally aggro two deamonhosts that mission which we could have gone around

[pure kindle]

Wait, you were loitering on havoc?

[austere pine]

loitering?

[pure kindle]

Well now you're just asking for everyone to go to the next area with double the corruption and someone dropped by a scab stalker in half a second!

[atomic void]

why play the game just 4 stack with knife and cloaks and run to elevator

[pure kindle]

Valid strat.

[terse idol]

I mean come on go eaasy arty

Things happen

You dooo gotta help your team move

If someone's getting delayed, you're ahead

You probably should go back 😭

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/ivan-drago-rocky-mad-boxing-gif-12740361343431073274

[unreal nova]

@latent parcel H40? Need for weekly box. Cranial+Pus skin Warren.

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/aint-about-how-hard-you-can-hit-how-hard-you-can-get-it-keep-moving-forward-gif-13726700

Me with my skull dented by crusher and maulers overheads

[austere pine]

https://x.com/memesforstans/status/1510032439367901188

stan twt memes (@memesforstans) on X

Dr. Umar “Let me block this ku klux klan member”

X · Apr 1, 2022, 11:12 PM

ain't even about that, it's just foolish adding MORE ENEMIES onto a horde when that's completely, utterly unnecessary

half convinced it was you chatting while playing the game and staying back

[hollow ibex]

there really needs to be an option to just disable joining ongoing games

[light ridge]

Lets start with doing something about people dropping the moment they go down, they don't even wait for the person standing next to them to pick them up anymore

[narrow frost]

Welcome to LeaveTide, feel free to leave when you go down, I know you aren't strong enough to last for the respawn timer

never forget

it is LeaveTide

[latent parcel]

You still need help Karien? Sorry i was eating lunch

[hollow ibex]

nah, what i'm suggesting would take them 5 seconds

what you want would require changes to the game design

and in any case, giving more options to queue would decrease the chance people drop out quickly anyway

[unreal nova]

We failed anyway. Now nobody left so... Can't run anyway.

[latent parcel]

maybe later

[unreal nova]

I'll be too eepy in about 2 hours anyway with my cycle...

[latent parcel]

we need papa willy to come help

@steep flower wya

[steep flower]

You rang?

[latent parcel]

Karien needs help with her 40 or something along those lines

[steep flower]

Call it done

[latent parcel]

@unreal nova you got any tries left?

[steep flower]

Can get my friendo

togethar we are 4

Friend is ready 2

[latent parcel]

we need karien now

where is she!

[unreal nova]

Yes. And I was clicking cats.

[latent parcel]

you ready or what

i got papa willy

[unreal nova]

I can get on.

[steep flower]

I shall await ya in 40k

[latent parcel]

👍

[unreal nova]

So uhh, how are we doing this? Do I just pull my Zealot?

[latent parcel]

Sure!

[unreal nova]

Kay. Do I set region to EU or US, just to hope we get a better server for you guys.

[vernal trench]

damn u got papa willy and not me

im so sad bro getting left out

[hollow ibex]

carry me instead 😭

[vernal trench]

Hell na

[hollow ibex]

you're prob not good enough to carry me anyway

[vernal trench]

na i dont play heresy sorry bro

[hollow ibex]

yeah i figured you wouldn't be able to carry at heresy anyway

all good

i'll just keep doing AM quickplay

[vernal trench]

Id rather kill myself

[hollow ibex]

nah QP is fun

the wild shit you see on there

it never ceases to amuse

[light ridge]

QP because where else will I learn to clutch?

[hollow ibex]

yeah honestly playing with good players outside of h40 is just 🥱

i'd rather play solo

[vernal trench]

na its just sad

whenever i play it i get sad

[winged horizon]

Man the smoke grenade needs to either be overhauled or changed to something else. I had a veteran who was throwing these and it was actively detrimental whenever it's deployed.

[tropic halo]

My guess probably doing the penance

[winged horizon]

One time there was a crusher that appeared out of the smoke like a character introduction lol

[tropic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/mysterio-puff-appear-spiderman-gif-13292099

[unreal nova]

What do you mean good? I'm the bottom barrel heresy player.

Ask any of them. They now know.

[latent parcel]

Karien the karry!

has the best team score.

[unreal nova]

WHatever the heck that means.

[unreal nova]

Also, nu. Willy carry.

[latent parcel]

everyone did good!

glad we got a win in for ya

[unreal nova]

But yes, this is why H40 hard. Can i go back to being trash at heresy jokes.

[latent parcel]

i played like crap

😦

[unreal nova]

What do you think.

[latent parcel]

Only until next week when we have to do h40 again

[unreal nova]

I kinda told you I play my Zealot differently from my Vet.

[unreal nova]

Then uhh, I guess i'll just be an aurabot and free crits.

But yes. Been wondering if I should change my curios at times.

[latent parcel]

Uh up to you

I prefer full toughness and maybe a 3 stam depending on my weapon

[unreal nova]

You know I went 2 HP, 1 Stam. XD

[latent parcel]

Yupp

[unreal nova]

Also. 15% HP or however they math that as substats.

[latent parcel]

You did fine. Next time your going to go on your oggy right?!!

[unreal nova]

Jokes on you, my Oggy can't even go auric.

[latent parcel]

😦

[unreal nova]

Lvl 8.

[latent parcel]

Sad

Well you got 1 week to level it!

[unreal nova]

I have no mood to even do weeklies alone.

Do you think I'll even suffer pugs on that class?

[latent parcel]

No.... Problay not

[unreal nova]

See.

I can't try to clutch heresy games like on vet. Big quotations on TRY.

[latent parcel]

Just takes time to get better. You don't have that much time in the game!

[unreal nova]

Some say just get dragged through the hardest diff, you'll learn faster. I just stare at them.

[latent parcel]

Lmao

Nah don't do that. Just have fun with what ur playing and ull get better over time

[unreal nova]

Not really, if anything, I get worse, lul.

[latent parcel]

Get a mouse and keyboard

[unreal nova]

Nu. I'll play even worse.

[latent parcel]

[unreal nova]

9 flicks to turn 1 round.

I tested in the psykhanium btw.

I mean, you know I have a Logitech G502 hero and a REDRAGON DEVARAJAS K556 SE.

[keen sage]

What do a use on a chain sword for ad clear

[pallid jetty]

just 40% cleave on hit

[tame lodge]

Shred Wrath

With the Xiiig

Light spam away

[vernal trench]

Na u just suck

[keen sage]

Ight

[unreal nova]

Eh, I'm the worst one, you know.

[hollow ibex]

ok

time to run revive shout

damn running revive shout is even worse than infil 😓

[unreal nova]

The extra CD and range reduction hurts.

[vernal trench]

Bro does not understand the power of infiltrate

[hollow ibex]

nah i like infil

but it's pretty clearly not gold shout levels

[unreal nova]

Revive nerfs it too much though, is fine in lower diffs to just pick up actual newbies.

[vernal trench]

It works better than golden toughness

If u know how to use it that is

[hollow ibex]

i believe it

i'm starting to think base shout is stronger than revive shout

this is actually so fucking painful

[unreal nova]

It is.

[fading yarrow]

Trips me up when I encounter someone with a modded voice

Playing with a Vet who's using the Scottish Zealot voice

[vernal trench]

Whats the differencs

[unreal nova]

Rez lets you insta pick up someone downed, but CD is now 45 secs and the AoE is 33% smaller.

[vernal trench]

Oh

Damn

[unreal nova]

It's only good when babysitting new players in lower diffs. They will go down to anything randomly and being able to just shout them up makes things easier. I mean, if you get hp hit in uprising...

I dunno, sometimes actually new players join run in our pub grim hunts. Normal shout is fine as well if you wanna press x to pick someone up.

[hollow ibex]

yeah ok fuck tihs

i can't carry QP tards with a gimped build

[fading yarrow]

H35+ is gonna make me lose my mind
Oh that revive meter completely filled? Too bad, your toughness was broken by one rifleman 2 milliseconds before the revive finished so your buddy is still downed, and now you're downed too, and now your third is downed after getting hit by a trapper from a mile away

[steep flower]

Need a ride buddy?

[unreal nova]

It will be spicy, but it will be fine in the end. Maybe.

No bubble painful lmao.

[fading yarrow]

Ya know what, sure, I've got an hour-ish to spare

[steep flower]

Splendid my friend! Pick a vc strike team and we go with this

[fading yarrow]

Alrighty, but just so ya know, I probably won't be talking much - Strike Team 12?

[unreal nova]

More chainaxe revving, heh.

[steep flower]

AY

[latent parcel]

isnt it like 5 a.m for you? what u doin up stil

[latent parcel]

you loved our no bubble run. shut

[steep flower]

IT IS

i just can't sleep

[formal ice]

I heard that if someone closed their eyes, kept their room dark and didn't kept looking at their phone each 10 minutes then they would have slept already

Oh wait he is probably sleeping now

Dang it

[steep flower]

lol no

[formal ice]

Lol yes

Please be safe and healthy

[proven garden]

What’s the build for cleaning monstrous specialists

[formal ice]

Thunderhambber

No wait

Wrong class

Uhhhhhhh

Plasma Gun

[tall torrent]

nah it's not rly a boss dps gun

[tall torrent]

krak + high boss dmg melee

[formal ice]

Then the explosive bullet version

[proven garden]

oh i thought you ran something like exe stance

[remote sonnet]

Bolter with puncture and shattering impact.

VoC can stun monstrosities.

[dim tiger]

aint no way...

no fake stats right? i really can't trust this game anymore

[faint beacon]

easy perfect roll Vigilant

[dim tiger]

gonna buy it then

[remote sonnet]

I wish that gun is better.

[tall torrent]

shattering is not for boss

[supple laurel]

sire my beloved

[hollow ibex]

lol love it when someone triggers a DH up to 99%, and then when i walk past it, it gets triggered on me

[wanton dawn]

If i were to make a dedicated boss build id probably use a ps mk6, bolter, with kraks and voc. Ws is safer but tag is probably better dmg wise.

You can squeeze efficiency with blessing and some talent choice, but at some point you become way worse on other aspects like horde control

VoC is the ult that can abuse "dmg on ult activation" the best: stunning plague ogryn and spawn means easier weakspot access. BoN is the most annoying boss.

[hollow ibex]

ES bolter + krak

[heavy verge]

Is the power sword meant to end it's charge whenever you get hit, makes the weapon actually painful to use

[wanton dawn]

ES has 0 control, 0 melee support and no survability impact. In practice voc consistency is just better

Also voc can throw boss over edge

[frank ledge]

Boss, what if we could carry you on shoulder

Boss can then focus on shooting and use...numbers stance!

Boss never in melee, good combo

[wanton dawn]

Yeah...

[wanton dawn]

Everyone is free to create exciting build idea

[hollow ibex]

in practice, it depends on the skill level of the player

ES is extremely powerful... in the right hands

for the average joe though, the funny golden toughness button is a better option

but if you want max boss damage, ES gonna be better

and ES does have melee impact

as well as survivability impact... if you're not shit at the game

[wanton dawn]

Sigh

Already made my case, i dont have anything more to add

[hollow ibex]

you're the one who pinged me with a reply lol

[frank ledge]

We shouldn't do anything around the average pub player

Or base anything off em, unless you want a helldiver situation

[wanton dawn]

And you throw everything i wrote in the garbage bin with what basically is a "git gud"

[astral wyvern]

Make every shot count is the most unintelligible penance they could have made. It bursts my brain

It's always that 1 extra miss from a teammate killing the enemy first or you have the accuracy good and you end up losing the game because u can't use the gun aka the one thing that is good for veteran

[hollow ibex]

lol don't take it personally

[latent parcel]

get gud maff.

[hollow ibex]

i sucked with ES for the longest time

but if you want max damage potential, it's ES

[sleek garden]

i love shooting my lasgun into a horde of ragers and coming out on top

[wanton dawn]

I dont take it personally. Anymore

[sleek garden]

exy stance

[lilac kayak]

Only if u don't get biooptics

Or whatever that subnode is

[wanton dawn]

I already die so much with voc, i cant justify my es+mf bolter in h40

[latent parcel]

Sirosky can! get gud bro

[hollow ibex]

i think the original question was for AM no?

[wanton dawn]

Am answering to the gremlin here

[hollow ibex]

since you want attention so badly, here it is

https://tenor.com/view/pat-garrys-mod-garrys-mod-physics-fast-intense-gif-26322619

[latent parcel]

Lmao

[frank ledge]

Veterans try to not be bad at the game, imposible challenge

Ogryn away now that all Bosses mad

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-run-naked-funny-gif-18082679885906165021

[wanton dawn]

The hell is am though

Morning hour ?

[latent parcel]

Its a mode created for the novices

[wanton dawn]

Average monstro ?

[latent parcel]

dont worry youll work ur way up to it one day maff..

i do wanna see ur exe stance in havoc though

[wanton dawn]

No you dont

[latent parcel]

Why not!

[wanton dawn]

Cuz i will eat every ammo and require even more babysitting

[latent parcel]

u eat all the ammo anyway

[wanton dawn]

Tru

[latent parcel]

and i dont baby sit you regardless

[wanton dawn]

[lilac kayak]

Be eating ammo left and right yes

[latent parcel]

Bet ur still scarred from chonkys infiltrate vet

[wanton dawn]

With an es build ? You bet i am

[latent parcel]

with any build

[wanton dawn]

I dont do scar sorry

[lilac kayak]

Is recon las es dead shot build still good?

[wanton dawn]

Errr... was it ever ?

Genuinely asking

[latent parcel]

[lilac kayak]

U can melt crusher pretty quick with it tbh but it's been awhile

I think it did somewhat fall off when they made that one node melee only for rending or brittleness?

[tropic notch]

They should give vet ij methinks

It’d be funny

[wanton dawn]

Back when surv had no cd, i think i used the ciag

To kill crusher in half a sec

Still works. Not ammo efficient though

[lilac kayak]

Surv no CD was lit when u had 3 ogryns with gg or rumblers

[tropic notch]

Buff weapon specialist pls fatty fish it’s too under powered

[wanton dawn]

Sounds like another class acronym i would not know of

[tropic notch]

Wish they didn’t do that cooldown

[wanton dawn]

Wish it was not an aura

At least now zealot knows how it feel to have a mandatory aura tax

And getting insulted if you dont pick it

[latent parcel]

you talkn about beacon?

[lilac kayak]

Why ofc

[wanton dawn]

Probably

[latent parcel]

that shit sucks. 5 point tax for goop aura cleanse

[tropic notch]

Yeah I’m talking about Inexorable Judgement

[latent parcel]

whats survivalist point tax?

isnt it like 2-3 points?

[tropic notch]

Beacon is terrible

[tropic notch]

Yeah

I mean catch a breath isn’t terrible

But still mid

[wanton dawn]

Well, it is more about the fact that all talent tree must go left

[latent parcel]

passives above beacon are straight trash

[tall torrent]

nah

[tropic notch]

Zealot has 2 builds

[tall torrent]

unless u mean replacing MF for IJ

[tropic notch]

They both path almost the exact same

[latent parcel]

ya zealot needs some tree rework eventually. i think there doing ogryn first though

[tropic notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1221205014043951266/1303263168822247464/emoji.gif

[wanton dawn]

I would not mind mf getting replaced

[lilac kayak]

MF?

[wanton dawn]

Marksman focus

[latent parcel]

MF the keystone nobody uses

[tall torrent]

Marksman’s focus

[tropic notch]

Darktide April Fools needs to be replacing zealot with orgyn

[wanton dawn]

Or Motherf...

[lilac kayak]

Oh I'm dumb

[tropic notch]

It’s only used for penances

[latent parcel]

ogryn already p strong cant wait to see what they do to him

[steep flower]

I dread to think

[faint beacon]

Me looking at a good 40% of my builds now

[lilac kayak]

Like no one uses MF or I've yet to see a vet use one

[wanton dawn]

Yes

[tropic notch]

This is true I’m trying to figure out how orgyns struggle

[faint beacon]

Mains Vigilant Autoguns, Realizes MF massively buffs said thing about the VA

uses it with Tunnel Vision

Holy peak..

[tropic notch]

There most prized thing is shield and it’s push is so amazing

[latent parcel]

Alot of people just like complaining about ogryn. idk i think they just need more then just 2 good melee weapons and there in a good spot

[tropic notch]

Ok real

[steep flower]

They complain cause not fast enough

[tropic notch]

Yeah I don’t like his mobility penalties

[wanton dawn]

Mf suffers from having terrible availability. And it is in competition with tag...

[faint beacon]

I kid you not it’s not even the class it’s the melees that are so horrendously power crept

[tropic notch]

But there are definite workarounds

[faint beacon]

But don’t tell them I’m unironically using the weakest melee the bully club

[lilac kayak]

Tbh I don't bother using any of them for all my builds ngl

[latent parcel]

Ya his dodge distance does suck but its still usable

[tropic notch]

Playing orgyn and tac axe is like playing vermintide 2

[wanton dawn]

I trust you, vigilante user

[steep flower]

cough dueling sword & knife for other classes cough

[tall torrent]

Not power crept, just never been good enough in comparison

[latent parcel]

hit 1.6mil on my ogryn eariler. slowly getting to that 1.8!

[lilac kayak]

Dodging can throw u off abit if u don't main ogryn, especially with bosses

[latent parcel]

I dont main ogryn hes my least played. only thing i suck at dodging is the chaos spawn grab

but thats cuz i suck

[wanton dawn]

How the hell are you stalling this much to reach those number

[latent parcel]

there was no stalling

[lilac kayak]

No it's because u probably been doing it wrong like I was the entire time

[faint beacon]

Probably Havoc

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, and i am playing speed aura

[steep flower]

Dodge right not left

[tall torrent]

Yea the “peak” is hitting 600+ overkill damage on every gunner and shotgunner

[latent parcel]

we had a chorus zealot do 500k

[faint beacon]

People usually hit min 800k

[latent parcel]

lemme find the board

[wanton dawn]

Give the timer

[lilac kayak]

Ur suppose to slide n dodge to the right when chaos spawns is trying to grab

[wanton dawn]

I want through the effort of adding a timer to the scoreboard mod

[faint beacon]

Still does the job 🚬

[steep flower]

Don’t mock me boi; i conpensate in other areas x3

[latent parcel]

i wasnt even top damage

scrier psyker beat me by 100k and he died

[faint beacon]

Well I mean it’s Scriers

[wanton dawn]

Not in mine. Game fast

[latent parcel]

yeah i aint mad

[steep flower]

Don’t slide; sliding does not dodge melee attacks

[latent parcel]

he played good

[faint beacon]

It’s turns the Glass Cannon into a Glass Nuke

[quartz nymph]

Glass Exterminatus

[wanton dawn]

If i get 1m+ it means game too slow in my book

[latent parcel]

53min chasm logi

[steep flower]

More like glass fart

[wanton dawn]

Go figure

[faint beacon]

Holy shit

What was the Zealot doing

[latent parcel]

he was havoc level 21

we took him through a 40

[lilac kayak]

I do both at the same time so I never really notice tbh plus what's the harm

[quartz nymph]

He was singing with the chorus

[wanton dawn]

53 min game is almost 2 game lenght

[steep flower]

If you would be playing havoc 40s like we do you would not be surprised; book zealots don’t get high dmg numbers

[latent parcel]

not really for high havoc

[faint beacon]

Ogryn is underrated in H35+ will never understand the insta denies over them

[wanton dawn]

Tru, 35min is probably reasonable

[faint beacon]

I was expecting at least 800k

[latent parcel]

ya if ur team is all good its 35-40min

[faint beacon]

I’ve had a fair share of 40s

[lilac kayak]

Because u can't just walk up to little ones with a stick and your a big target for those boss killer shootybois

[steep flower]

The harm is once you start sliding you stop dodging for melee hits; range does not get affected

[latent parcel]

last 5 games 2 were 35-40

[wanton dawn]

Stop imposing 300 latency on karien

[latent parcel]

Karien wanted her 40 done!

we got it done

papa willy carried

[steep flower]

I can see that dark communion victory of ours

[latent parcel]

high havoc pubs is like 45 min on average i think

but if ur teams good it can be 35-40

[steep flower]

Sadly i did not record that battle with the Captain solo + specials

[latent parcel]

that was a good one

im sad u didnt get the res's off

would have been peak chainaxe

[wanton dawn]

Mine are shorter on average. Cuz i play like a lunatic probably

With a squishy build too

[latent parcel]

We dont usually run CC

[lilac kayak]

Prob not the host

[steep flower]

Yeah; all it takes is 1 sniper overwatching the rez area to deny you a crutch

It is what it is

[wanton dawn]

I dont care either way

[dusty sapphire]

Is only in death good considering the downsides

[steep flower]

Still was imo; i have not seen yet anyone use it like i do in havoc

[latent parcel]

takes me back to our 55minute gloriana

[lilac kayak]

Snipers do find ways to get a sneak shot ngl

[wanton dawn]

Well, we had no dmg on this one

[steep flower]

It was not the shot but just him being there

[latent parcel]

i think i had to clutch for 5+ minutes of that run

and u got yeeted 4 times

best game ever

[wanton dawn]

I think it was twice

[latent parcel]

you and the psyker went flying

[steep flower]

Barrelmancy

[lilac kayak]

I wonder if I suck or is it insanely hard to take down chaos spawns solo clutching h40

[steep flower]

[faint beacon]

Solo clutching in general is incredibly difficult in H40

One fuck up is usually death

[latent parcel]

its def hard since there so aggro

[steep flower]

Chaos spawn does not give you any window for a tiny break

[wanton dawn]

Cs is annoying but one can manage. It is the special with it the priblem

[steep flower]

It is not easy if other enemies assault you as well

[wanton dawn]

Beast of nurgle is more of a solo clutch killer

[latent parcel]

depends how much room u have

[wanton dawn]

Not much

[latent parcel]

and if ur on ogryn or not

[steep flower]

Not really; you can kite the burgle easily point blank without being splashed

[wanton dawn]

I play ps6 so no i cant

[lilac kayak]

Chaos spawn on vigil station long bridge after elevator from mid obj is so hard to deal with

[wanton dawn]

My dodge distance is 2 pixels

[steep flower]

Just ledge it lmao

[latent parcel]

ya i just run past it and res the team at the end at that point

i know exactly what spot ur talking about

[faint beacon]

I would say run Las pistol and do a Shocktrooper build with it but I assume you insist on keeping Plasma over really anything else

[lilac kayak]

Ik but team forgot to

[faint beacon]

Cause pairing Laspistol with PS is… shockingly good

[latent parcel]

maff only has 2 loadouts

[wanton dawn]

I am supposed to shoot bon ?

[latent parcel]

and neither of them have las pistol

[wanton dawn]

I have like, 6 plasma/ps layout

[faint beacon]

Well I mean you could, but it’s more so the Laspistol is making up for the lukewarm dodge profiles of PS

[lilac kayak]

I guess so but usually a death sentence if u aren't a vet or zealot

[latent parcel]

i made a WS plasma/ps loadout and it is very strong. what was ur axe loadout?

[faint beacon]

Smokes being shockingly good in Havoc also

Should honestly play smokes more

[latent parcel]

ogryn can make it i think. rip psyker tho

[wanton dawn]

Depend. Axe is like better mobility ps but worse dmg on ogryn and boss.

With bolter it is just here for cc horde

Cuz ps6 was too clunky

So you can stick axe on most ps6 build imo

[lilac kayak]

Usually play psyker for pubs h40

Typically do well till team encounter boss fight ngl

[wanton dawn]

I just like BIG dmg

And BIG gun

[latent parcel]

ya psyker is extremely painful to solo clutch on and boss dps isnt the highest

[wanton dawn]

I dont have to worry about solo clutch. Mostly cuz i die first

[latent parcel]

i know.... 😦

nah u do fine

[faint beacon]

Still think it’s fucking hilarious one of the most effective builds you can run

On Veteran

Is the Bistol Shredder Build

The sheer raw damage you get from shredder spam in havoc is insane lmao

[latent parcel]

thats a fun build

i run it with an axe or ps6 depending on moebian

[faint beacon]

Cause there’s always elites in hordes you’re usually proccing demo team

So more frags, meaning more damage meaning

More dead everything

[wanton dawn]

You have to play bistol though

[lilac kayak]

The funny thing is I can clutch just fine on mael or auric but not h40

[latent parcel]

cuz shooters most likely. h40 is alot more unforgiving

[faint beacon]

Not terrible at all just run puncture LP if it’s pus hardened

[wanton dawn]

Well, i can clutch mael and auric through sheer dmg. Havoc you cant really do that

[latent parcel]

bistol is good maff dont hate. u seen me run it

[faint beacon]

Havoc demands team play

[latent parcel]

it doesnt put out plasma dps but its a good change of pace

[wanton dawn]

I hate the gunplay compared to boltgun

[lilac kayak]

Yeah u gotta be smart or tactical about positioning all the time

[wanton dawn]

It is not about being good or bad. I dont like recon either

[latent parcel]

you hate everything that isnt a big gun

[wanton dawn]

I like autogun

[solar valve]

which

[wanton dawn]

They are just weak rn

[latent parcel]

poor autoguns

[lilac kayak]

Bistol is great for meme grenadier build

[wanton dawn]

Agri braced and vrak inf

[solar valve]

vrak inf is very good. Agri braced is pretty off meta

[wanton dawn]

I also want to like shotgun

[wanton dawn]

Vrak is an ammo sink

[solar valve]

combat shotty is eh, but the DBS on vet is pure money

[latent parcel]

Maff u take all the ammo already whats the difference

[wanton dawn]

True, I have a dbs build to check

[solar valve]

lol

[wanton dawn]

I tasted pre-surv nerf is the diff

[solar valve]

just gotta melee more

[latent parcel]

who didnt

[vernal trench]

Hi stompt!!

[wanton dawn]

Surv ciag was ammo neutral

[latent parcel]

oh shit chonky is here

im out

later guys

[vernal trench]

L

[lilac kayak]

Miss the taste of prenerf ES before patch 13

[vernal trench]

Cant take the heat

[latent parcel]

Nop

[wanton dawn]

That was bolter glory day

[lilac kayak]

No it was shredder meta

[vernal trench]

Buutter

[wanton dawn]

Not in boss maelstrom it wasnt

Oh well, i think the same about ds4 right now. Guess i have different read on what a top weapon is

Me playing like a lunatic probably explains it

[lilac kayak]

Limit ds4 to psyker only

[wanton dawn]

Nah that ship has sailed already

[solar valve]

Ds4 still nuts on psyker

Just nerf it

[latent parcel]

i dont even use it anymore

[solar valve]

I stopped using it a while ago

[lilac kayak]

It's boring and a crutch at the same time

[solar valve]

The horde clear and elite heavies are too repetitivd

Ya

[terse idol]

well thankfully the horde clear on it is pretty butts

😌

not the worst but not good

[lilac kayak]

The dodge distance is ridiculous

[solar valve]

Just slap agile and uncanny and yawn

[wanton dawn]

Coming from combat axe and ps: yeah the horde clear is pretty butt

Or macro knife i guess

[lilac kayak]

Who needs hordes clear when u got meat shields to do it for u

[latent parcel]

hey dont call my ogryn a meat shield

[wanton dawn]

I like redudancy

[frank ledge]

Knife users are more prone to barrels boss

WATCH OUT

https://tenor.com/view/hakandbobr-darktide-hak-gif-4835721721778289528

[wanton dawn]

You are an evil fellow

[lilac kayak]

Absolute cinema if u have had a zealot agro half the map if not the entire map towards u + a boss while the same knife stealth zealot continues ahead

[wanton dawn]

Alright, bringing a dbs build in auric qp. No training required at all

never used the weapon

cant go wrong