veteran-class

[quartz nymph]

What perk is off?

[tall torrent]

maniac -> unarmored

[quartz nymph]

Gotcha. So I drop bid and swapped in twinned blast. Which one is marksman?

[orchid hemlock]

I unironically got True Survivor using this build, doubling 2 Psykers total damage

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da78034-dbda-4eff-aebc-f5660464fab7/vet-havoc-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

If you don't believe me, ask @tall torrent

[quartz nymph]

Oh duh found it

[orchid hemlock]

Let me see if I can find the comment

[tall torrent]

left side

[orchid hemlock]

I don't know how I out damaged 2 inferno Psykers either 🧍🏻

[quartz nymph]

Okay how about now?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e26b67a-a406-4ad9-bba8-260ce41395cb/havoc-hailey

[orchid hemlock]

But ig I learned from the best 🧎🏻‍♂️‍➡️

[quartz nymph]

Hell ya thank you

[tall torrent]

I don't recommend stamina regen curio perk on veteran unless u get stam regen delay reduction talents

[quartz nymph]

Should I swap in health in that slot?

[tall torrent]

CDR

[orchid hemlock]

I don't think my curios are good for Havoc but I'm too lazy to change them 😔

[iron atlas]

does melee weapon usefulness differ based on diff. lvl or what?

i see many use dueling sword in havoc diff.

[hollow ibex]

it's more based on weapon / mark

because you should be running maxed out stuff by havoc

[orchid hemlock]

I think the reason why DS is used a lot in Havoc is because it's really safe

[quartz nymph]

Awesome. Updated. Anything else you'd change or is this good enough?

[tall torrent]

looks fine

[orchid hemlock]

But tbh on Vet, I think PS is slightly better

Because most of the builds for Vet on Havoc require you to use ammo eff guns that you need to invest in, which means your wave clear is going to be lacking.

[tall torrent]

because it's easy and strong
but it's not the absolute best

[quartz nymph]

Fantastic. Thank you for the feedback

[tall torrent]

most players are hard crutching on duelling sword

[hollow ibex]

i crutch hard on the rashad instead

[iron atlas]

i am struggling using it, while dealing with crowd, even in malice diff., skill issue?

[orchid hemlock]

DS can take Agile, which is probably one of the safest blessings in the game

[iron atlas]

[tall torrent]

both
it's the worst horde clear melee on veteran
but malice hordes should not be hard to fight in the first place

[orchid hemlock]

Shovel

[hollow ibex]

shovel 🤮

[orchid hemlock]

I love shovel too much I need to stop 😔

[tall torrent]

crutching on any weapon in general is a bad idea

[orchid hemlock]

Shovel is horrible in Havoc

But in nroms it's soo fun

[tall torrent]

but crutching on weapons like duelling sword and knife give so many more bad habits compared to the rest

[orchid hemlock]

What if I have bad habits on all weapons?

[tall torrent]

at worst, crutching on combat axe & power sword gives u the bad habit of assuming u can kill ur way out of problems all the time

[gentle yoke]

Any tips on speeding up the krak grenade kills on armored enemies penance?

[tall torrent]

at best, crutching on duelling sword and knife makes u worse at melee fundamentals

[hollow ibex]

use them on scab shooters and bruisers

[orchid hemlock]

Nope 😔

[tall torrent]

havoc moebian 21st

throw at their flak armor chest

they count

[orchid hemlock]

Isn't krak's radius too small anyways to kill anything in the horde?

[tall torrent]

I helped @summer lance do it

[tall torrent]

u kill like 10 of them per krak in havoc1 lmao

[orchid hemlock]

What

How?

I thought krak has a horrible radius

[gentle yoke]

Think I might try running an ogryns mission

[tall torrent]

cuz they spawn in large numbers and group up a lot?

[gentle yoke]

At least now that I finished marksman focus kills I can go back to playing semi normally

[iron atlas]

what is marksman focus stack? and what is volley fire timer?

[gentle yoke]

Volley fire timer refreshes on every kill that is highlighted

[iron atlas]

i assumed there is no friendly fire? ppl tend to block my line of fire all the time!!

[gentle yoke]

Marksman focus generates when you stand still or get headshot kills

[iron atlas]

so elites and special enemies?

[iron atlas]

headshot kill even lesser enemy?

[low escarp]

I do have a question, is the chainaxe a good weapon to go with the plasma gun?

[tall torrent]

what difficulty are u looking at

[gentle yoke]

You can change it so that it highlights all human enemies with guns or ogryns. It has to be a highlighted enemy though to restart timer

[terse idol]

Yeah

[hollow ibex]

no friendly fire... except barrels and shit

[gentle yoke]

It doesn’t hurt them, but it does stop the bullet

[low escarp]

right now malice

Im level 27 and wanting to see what kinda option I get

[tall torrent]

everything works in malice

I personally think plasma gun (a really good sniping gun) benefits from strong horde clear weapons

[low escarp]

how do one effectively use it? Do I just charge every shot against hordes?

[hollow ibex]

LMB spam

hit headshots

never charge

that's it

[low escarp]

oh alrighty, I have been just trying to charge it and then reload but it takes 2-3 bussiness days

[hollow ibex]

for reloading you can reload cancel

when the thing on the top of the gun starts rotating, sprint

and the reload is done

[low escarp]

what about like higher level like damnation

[orchid hemlock]

Plasma can work with anything to be honest

Because plasma is just giga broken

[low escarp]

Oh! thats a good tips, thanks m8

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's a pretty easy reload cancel, and will save you a lot of time

[orchid hemlock]

I don't like chainaxe on Vet tho because you really attack speed on it

[tall torrent]

no, u left click at elite and specialists (excluding pox hound, mutant, crusher and bulwark)

[minor stump]

For make every shot count, would a double barrel work? Not sure if individual pellets missing could against you. If it's as long as 1 pellet hits, then it should be an okay option no?

[low escarp]

what would you recommend?

[tall torrent]

it works as long as 1 (out of those 16 or 32) pellets hit any enemy that's not dead and deal damage

[orchid hemlock]

The best Vet weapons are:

DS, knife, Rashad, PS

[hollow ibex]

yeah DB is prob the best option

[tall torrent]

combat axe

[minor stump]

Awesome, thanks! I'll stick to hordes and should be easy peasy

[low escarp]

DB?

[hollow ibex]

double barrel

[orchid hemlock]

Double Barrel shotgun

[low escarp]

OH!

[orchid hemlock]

It's a funny gun that has insane wave clear if you use a specific blessing with it

This is a build I use with it:

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d67f64e-5960-41d8-bb1f-6e991d65ea76/main-character-syndrome-vet?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[tall torrent]

might be 6th best gun on veteran

6~7th

[hollow ibex]

it'd be even better if it could one shot bulwars

reeee

[orchid hemlock]

Basically you exploit WS but getting free crits and swapping to the shotgun back and forth with your melee so you never need to reload it

[minor stump]

Saving that since I need the smoke grenade penance too lol

[tropic pendant]

is the axe and recon lasgun an okay combo?

[orchid hemlock]

Idk if this is a good build for spamming smokes, but it should be good enough

[minor stump]

I mean I haven't used it yet at all so

[minor stump]

1 use is progress lol

[orchid hemlock]

Smokes are very underrated, especially in Havocs

The problem is that in Havocs, the best aura by far is survivalist and it is the opposite side of the tree from smokes 😔

[hollow ibex]

assuming the axe is rashad, yeah

classic combo

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah it's a bad smoke build, just make sure to take demo stockpile

[tropic pendant]

ok sounds great!
what are the perks and blessings for each?

and is this still the talent setup?

[hollow ibex]

they're covered in the guide in the pins

[tropic pendant]

omg hdr screenshots look fried

[orchid hemlock]

Use this instead, just make sure to adjust it to the grenades you want to spam: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d977d0c-17df-4db4-bf9a-33a60111274d/grenada11?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[tall torrent]

works

[orchid hemlock]

MY EYES

[tall torrent]

DS + plasm
no boltpistol
grenade build without twinned blast

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1336756146446274662/3dgifmaker23335.gif

[orchid hemlock]

I don't like gambling 😔

[tropic pendant]

Headhunter and Dumdum or Headhunter and Infernus?

[tall torrent]

dum dum + infernus/deathspitter

[orchid hemlock]

Neither

[tall torrent]

headhunter is not worth

[orchid hemlock]

Headhunter is bait, because the more crit rate you have the less value it gives you

[tropic pendant]

and the perks are still
Flak and Maniac?

[orchid hemlock]

From recon I put crit rate and flak

Recons really struggle into flak and cara, but since cara it doesn't penetrate anyways I just take the flak

[hard lichen]

This looks so fucking cursed

[hard lichen]

I love it

[orchid hemlock]

It is 😔

You will feel like Kanye while playing it

[hard lichen]

Something Something no one vet should have all that power

[orchid hemlock]

I don't think that build is OP, but it is funny to stab one poxwalker, switch to the DB and slaughter and entire wave, and never reload it

[hollow ibex]

i take damage vs. unyielding

never felt like i was missing out on flak damage tbh

and more importantly, i want to kill bulwarks faster

[tall torrent]

DB is 2 shot vs bulwark with/without unyielding

[hollow ibex]

i was talking about recon

with DB you can't double barrel kill bulwarks can you?

i tried to reach that breakpoint

but might have to take one of the less optimal blessings or something

[tropic pendant]

forgot, what mark recon lasgun are you guys runnin?

[hollow ibex]

mk vi is usually the best pick

they're all good in their own ways though

[terse idol]

The fastest firing one

But i also don't play it with any keystones

[hollow ibex]

the fastest firing one can be pretty funny

brrrrrrt

[tropic pendant]

how is rending strikes on the rashad?

[tall torrent]

not required
only matters for carapace

[tropic pendant]

ok im movin it to marksman then

unarmoured and flak right?

[gentle yoke]

Been playing auric 4’s and 5’s for armored enemy kills. Is there a faster way? I can usually get a dozen or so each game

[calm shard]

for what the krak grenade penance?

[gentle yoke]

Krak grenade kills yeah

[calm shard]

play havoc with Moebian 21st and chuck them at crowds

[gentle yoke]

I suck at havoc. 100% a skill issue

[calm shard]

doesn't have to be high havoc just has to be moebian 21st

replaces all groaners/poxwalkers with lil' flak dudes, and flak armor counts for the penance

[tall torrent]

no
unarmored + carapace

[gentle yoke]

Oh that sounds good. Might try that

[tall torrent]

u can play havoc 1

[summer lance]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-celebration-joy-confetti-gif-25557730

[tropic pendant]

sidenote:
what other vet builds do y'all recommend to try?
i've currently tried out
DS and revolver
Axe and recon lasgun

[gentle yoke]

Most havoc I’ve gotten to is like 10

Shit forgot I could reset the level

[tall torrent]

yea u can demote self

[tall torrent]

exe stance boltgun

[gentle yoke]

Is auric close to havoc difficulty wise? Seems like I get stomped in havoc

[tropic pendant]

is this the vigilant one?

[tall torrent]

what

[tropic pendant]

wait i had a stroke mf

[summer lance]

i should probaby start grinding havoc a bit for the weekly cache, because i am incredibly broke
does anybody actually have a chart or something about how the weekly cache system works? i know its based on what the highest rank assignment you completed that week was, but not the exact reward amount

[tropic pendant]

can I see what this looks like and what melee you use with it?

[tall torrent]

Heavy Sword IX

[tropic pendant]

could i get away with the knife or chainsword possibly xD

[cloud thunder]

You get weekly rewards based on highest you cleared for the week

And it’s tiered

[frank basin]

i check the healtbar of Mauler health and it's labeld 3001 hp

[cloud thunder]

Rewards scales higher the more you go

[tall torrent]

I think veteran generally benefits from high horde clear melee weapons

[frank basin]

is that FS didn't round the number?

[cloud thunder]

Just need to complete it nice tbh

[summer lance]

i know this, but what i really want to know is how many mats do you get for each reward
does each rank have its own amount, slowly going up, or are 1-10, 11-20, etc, the same?

[cloud thunder]

It’s by individual ranks

Each rank is diff

[summer lance]

by each individual rank, and it scales higher and higher?
well thats good, what would a rank 10 net me? because this is what im working with, and i sorta want to get some more curios so i can have a set for each of my psyker builds

[cloud thunder]

Have no idea

First week I was 31 then went 40

[summer lance]

damn

[cloud thunder]

But it’s not a lot

[summer lance]

idk if im ready for really anything above 20, considering

[cloud thunder]

I know that much

For 10

[summer lance]

i heard that you get about 40-50 thousand diamantine for around max rank
and i got 1100 for rank 2, which felt pretty nice up to the point where i spent it all

[cloud thunder]

Don’t think it’s that much

I think it’s like….23k?

I don’t really pay attention to the rewards 💀

Lemme find it

[summer lance]

since when is 23k of what is the rarer of the 3 resources soncisdered not a lot, 23 thousand is several times more then the max iv had at any given moment

[cloud thunder]

No, I meant like it’s not as many as 40k as you said

[summer lance]

ooooh

[summer lance]

didn't see the rank on there

still would be quite a lot

[cloud thunder]

Yeah

[summer lance]

must've been thinking about plasteel then

[cloud thunder]

Do it a couple times and you’re set for life

[tame void]

Nice spam bozo

[hardy trout]

nice bozo

[warm bolt]

Nice

[silver trellis]

The havoc rewards are pretty poor

For havoc 40, its like 100k something coins, 10k diamintide and 30k plasteel

Oh i didnt scroll above whoops

[tame void]

90% of the people on havoc40 don't need the materials anyway

[summer lance]

yeah, and thats a good point
but i, as someone with only 268 hours, and am currently a broke ass bitch in mats, DO need them

[silver trellis]

Legit, I only ever need Diamintine (or however its spelled) when I try new builds and they usually don’t need that much

Its not even worth it to look for a 40 lobby each week just to get it most times

I got most of the diamintide I needed from the Brute Conscripts missions

[austere mica]

You clearly haven’t started getting a properly rolled 500 of every weapon available

[silver trellis]

Correct

I mean I don’t need them (for now)

[austere mica]

Diamantine starts to burn once you do that

Enjoy your big blue number while it lasts

[silver trellis]

[hearty panther]

i still do my best to pick up all the shit i can

i assume anyone not me is thirsty for mats

[tame void]

Same is just one button press

[rigid rover]

yo is the best way to get 'On Overwatch' js to have a good team?

[tame void]

What's that again

[hollow ibex]

why the fuck are trappers allowed to trap you while you're fucking invisible

if shout's allowed to phase nets into the warp

invisibility should be allwed to ignore nets

[tame void]

What

[tough tiger]

Cc makes net go away, thats why

[tame void]

Oh

[vernal harbor]

if you got havoc 40 yo mama has a larger than average physique

[tough tiger]

Dont blame your son for being a real GAMER, mom @vernal harbor

[vernal harbor]

i was the first veteran

[hollow ibex]

that's really funny

because infil also has cc

the shout crutch is real

[tame void]

What if I didn't and my mama still fat

[unreal nova]

Nope, best way is to just get better yourself. No need to gamble with teammates then.

[terse idol]

Doesn't gotta be a crutch, it's jsut a good tool

[grand perch]

It's only a crutch when it doesn't keep being the best choice in high skill levels

[rigid rover]

lowkey js doing overwatch to get the penance with a helmet

[unreal nova]

The other way is a cheese if it still works.

[rigid rover]

Hmm il test it out the cheeses then

[rigid rover]

is it the disconnect one?

[unreal nova]

No. You hang at start and have 1-3 ppl finish the mission without rescuing you.

[terse idol]

it's pretty easy

I mean

You'lll be doing yourself a diservice if you cheese it tbh

just gotta

get comfortable with dah gaame

[warm bane]

hi guys i just got the game and hit 30 on vet. I got a dueling sword that I plan on crafting. What guns do you recommend pairing with it? im running a focus target build with some points in the left tree.

[vernal trench]

Its not

[rigid rover]

almost got it bro until some random rager sneak attack 😢

[pseudo fiber]

Bolt pistol with lethal proximity and puncture

[warm bane]

thx

[tropic halo]

I love you Power sword
Shame i never see people bringing it

[vernal trench]

Its pretty common in high havocs believe it or not

[tropic halo]

I dont really play Havoc sadly besides just doing my weekly ccche

[tame void]

Mood

[tropic halo]

Is it really viable on havoc with the hard skin and such?

[vernal trench]

Its one of the best vet weapons on havocs

Pus hardendd doesnt affect melee

[tropic halo]

Finally a better weapon than DS smh

[vernal trench]

Ds is stupid

[tropic halo]

Maybe I can give the Psword a try on havoc next week to see how it goes, still i dont people using it on auric damn and mael

[faint beacon]

Caxe, PS, DS, and Knife

[vernal trench]

cuz its a pretty annoying weapon to use

noobs ownt be using it

[faint beacon]

Relic blade completely cleans the floor with it if you compare it to that, but I mean PS is still really good just it’s dodges are absolutely terrible

[tropic halo]

Wdym with the dodges? I dont see much issue with it though i use it too often

[faint beacon]

You don’t get much distance at all and the moment you go into negative dodges you get hit vs like

Shovel and Rashad dodges where after 5 it goes into negative but still effective

Till about below -5

So you have around 10

Basically you really quickly notice your limited dodges

Basically with PS you’re looking at max 4

Vs Rashad/Knife/DS being 10

[dry cloak]

A lot of weapons would like a rebalance or a touch up

[faint beacon]

PS is strong

In fact I want its power mode nerfed but I seriously think off needs heavy touch ups

[dry cloak]

My idea is to make unpowered actually usae against trash and unarmored

If we stay with current desing

[pseudo fiber]

Actual thing that'll happen instead is we'll get a power sabre that has the relic blade system

[faint beacon]

I honestly just want a new melee that’s not terrible

It’s- very tiring orbiting the same handful of melees that work well on Vet

[grand perch]

DS4 with powered mode

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/bleak-it's-bleak-shaking-head-its-bleak-black-and-white-gif-9592734580409210082

[pseudo fiber]

I hope the new weapon is a melee but I can feel in my bones it'll be ranged

[tropic halo]

Maybe both a new ranged and melee for veteran next update that is what I am hoping for

And a new melee for ogryn

Zealots and pyskers already have good amount of toys

[solar gyro]

Hey, I'm getting a bit burnt out using bolters and plasma in a lot of my runs and just felt like using something else.

Thinking of using the kantrael lasguns for a change, got any loadouts/ builds to recommend with it?

[pseudo fiber]

Mk2b is the best one usually it works well with a left side oriented build

[marsh quiver]

ah hell
thanks to the inventory selection bug I just dumped a bunch of resources into maxing out a 60%ammo gun

I still have too much of them, but still... this shit is annoying

[tropic halo]

Now that I read this and playing, yeah he dodge distance for the PS is incredibly low for how much dodges you can perform

The distance feels so short than anything else

[warm bolt]

Does knife's flesh tearer blessing stack with frag grenades?

[tall torrent]

Bleed stacks up to 16

[warm bolt]

Uh huh

I see, thanks! I was just wondering if i will be able to go full bleed stacks meme build with the nades or try and adjust to rashad

[austere pine]

to the zealot running this in havoc 23, i want to help you bro please let me

[uncut pebble]

I may be sick.

[tough tiger]

I think he has no resources to change perks and blessings

Smh

Ppl really do be rushing into havoc just to waste others' time

[unreal nova]

The revolver is atrocious though statwise not even looking at other stuff. The DS is still usable in low havocs if they use it for poking crushers 1 vs 1. The 1% loss of damage to mobility might just be Hadron and it's not really cheap to reroll.

[fierce walrus]

who took a bite out of that revolvers damage

[warm bolt]

"...i ran out of rashuns sah"

[austere pine]

to the lovely veteran i had just played with: spam pinging while downed while we're fighting a boss and a horde and then complaining that nobody's picking you up, going to the point of cussing us out and leaving the havoc match is truuly shameful behavior

[pallid jetty]

maybe you WERE able to pick him up

some of you at least

[austere pine]

so spamming and making it tough to focus on literally even existing and then telliing us we suck is going to help us in getting better?

[versed merlin]

does manstopper works on accantran shotty special slug?

[normal sparrow]

That ds screams melk pickup

[austere pine]

i think the smarter thing to do in his situation would have been to tell us, in voice or text chat, that somebody should res him

[unreal nova]

Could be either. I had enough weapons getting dooked that way. Or ammo/reload into mobility.

[normal sparrow]

By the time you can get something to 500 you can get the perks to t4, same with blessing although not always t4
Swapping stat cost like 5k dockets?

[uneven garnet]

He shouldn’t have went down. Over extended himself and couldn’t face the fact that his actions caused his demise.

[unreal nova]

Sometimes you rage out of Hadron lul, but then I question why bring it. Eh, randos.

[vernal trench]

i think i mightve ran into the most braindead true survivor player ever

[austere pine]

remind us what true survivor is again?

oh, the title

yup, that's enough darktide for today. first the veteran who thinks he's god's gift to tertium and then a "i'm very smart" veteran who wanted to order people around for 1. making mistakes 2. playing for fun 3. in normal damnation, whom i had to carry

who then left the game because he didn't see we were moving up already and got downed by a horde of groaners

(aka 7 groaners remaining from his last stand)

[vernal trench]

its nothign compared to the guy i just played with

[steep flower]

4k, even less

[steep flower]

Do elaborate

I like content

On my way home 2 if you’re up for havoc slappin

[light ridge]

Titles are pointless apparently...
I see one of those titles and I now assume they got carried

I still need to get my Auric Survivor titles...

[tall torrent]

The only title that says anything is poxbreaker and it just means long playtime

[hollow ibex]

having moved off shout, shout is definitely a crutch and saying otherwise is just copium

[terse idol]

Its just a tool

I can play without shout too

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[terse idol]

Lord forbid one of vets best ults is shout there's no shame in using it

[hollow ibex]

it's not one of vets best ults

it's just THE best vet ult lol

[terse idol]

Yah

[heavy rover]

Reasons why vet shout is best ult:

1. you get to put the karking boot in
2. no one's dying till you say so

[terse idol]

Lok'tar o gar!

[vernal trench]

he died twice within 2 mins in mercentile

was complaining why we werent fighting them before the first event

and saying how we dont know how to play the game

2 downs 1 death within 2 minutes of the gaem starting btw

[crimson pebble]

i remember having a 1500 lvl psyker get crusherd 30 seconds into a hav40 once

[vernal trench]

lmao that other vet was using smoke grenades

he was good

[heavy rover]

The first game I proudly wore my True Survivor title, I dodged right off the edge of the map

[crimson pebble]

smokes underated shredders are just to crazy to not pick along w optimal pathing

[heavy rover]

even worse, I was trying to help someone hanging off the ledge. They spent the rest of the mission laughing at me

[vernal trench]

yea he was making it worrk well with the smokes

didnt even need a psyker

[heavy rover]

huh, never thought about it that way

now I want to give smokes on havoc a try

[vernal trench]

ull be giving up damage but its up to how wanna play

[tropic pendant]

man what's the best use of ammo for the recon lasgun?

[vernal trench]

he was actrually good tho he didnt fold when 2 other people downed and i went to rescue them he was able to keep up with 2 bosses

[crimson pebble]

@restive mountain is the resident smoke grenade freak they could probably tell you exactly how its secretly the swiss army knife or some shit

[heavy rover]

like the most ammo efficient build possible?

[vernal trench]

rare u see a good vet in high havocs

[tropic pendant]

nah like what do i use it for?
this is my 2nd gun im learning and coming from revolver which i use to just snipe specials and do boss damage, i'm not really sure what to shoot with the recon lasgun now

[crimson pebble]

i consider myself a vet main but iv almost exclusively played relic chastise on zeal a few psyker games hardly any vet idk why

for hav40 anyway

[vernal trench]

focus gunners and specials

thats the vets job

[heavy rover]

i pretty much use lasguns for the same purpose. Except I also do ranged enemies as a whole with it

[visual badge]

imo recon is better on different classes, vet has stronger alternatives

its good for doing the marksman penance lol

[tropic pendant]

do you guys spray into hordes?

[vernal trench]

not recommended for high havocs

[heavy rover]

only if the hordes have a special / elite I'm specifically targeting

[vernal trench]

but otuside that u can spray it into hordes

ull never run out of ammo doing that if ur not in high havoccs

[tropic pendant]

what build should I bring into havoc?
rn im just chilling at auric damn

[heavy rover]

but also I swapped from the recon lasgun to the mk iib infantry lasgun. Ghost is very helpful on high havocs (or if you want to stack infernus quickly)

[vernal trench]

get comfortable with auric maelstroms first

[heavy rover]

yeah, once you feel comforable doing auric damnation hi-intensity, it's a good sign you're ready for havoc

I can share you my build if you want

but again, use it more for inspiration for what you find works for you

[tropic pendant]

I'm still looking for a havoc viable build that scratches the headshot itch like revolver, recommendations please?

[tropic pendant]

I'd appreciate this much!

[heavy rover]

sure, give me a moment to put it into a build editor

[heavy rover]

here you go: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e280823-3855-472d-907c-a49b6864bae0/vet-mkiib-havoc-build

I tend to jump back and forth between Ghost and Infernus

[tawny timber]

y infernus

[heavy rover]

so for my build in particular, I find it quite ammo efficient for havoc. And when a boss shows up, I tend to step aside and focus on keeping hordes off of the rest of the team as they deal with the boss. Since I'm also pinging hordes, I also get to replenish my teammates' stamina and toughness

puss-hardened enemies

[calm shard]

It ignores the damage reduction from Pus Hardened Skin modifier in Havoc, and makes up for the IIb Ilas' low damage against Unyielding

[heavy rover]

or if I want to stack infernus against bosses

[calm shard]

Since fire chunks unyielding

[light ridge]

Mostly just when the horde is blocking the thing I want to shoot, though with Recon I sometimes just forget to switch

[calm shard]

never if I can help it, but sometimes they get in the way and you just gotta

[unreal nova]

This is just what we call, "Professional gamer move". Like falling off the start of the map in sedation.

[light ridge]

"Hold my beer, I'm a pro"

[tropic pendant]

What's the diff between recon and infantry lasguns??? Like what does one do better than the other

[calm shard]

recon shoots a lot faster and is better with crits

[hollow ibex]

recon is just a much easier gun to use overall

[calm shard]

infatnry lasguns have better ammo economy, and get Ghost

[hollow ibex]

ilas are... kinda not great atm

[heavy rover]

recon lasgun is the full auto. infantry las is the single shot one

[calm shard]

what the fuck are you talking about they're some of the best guns in the game

[hollow ibex]

lol definitely not

[heavy rover]

i prefer infantry las due to Ghost and even more ammo efficiency since the zealot keeps stealing all the ammo

[hollow ibex]

they're talent expensive

[calm shard]

so is the Recon

[light ridge]

Infantry requires better aim than I have
Recon just melts things

[hollow ibex]

and the return isn't all that great

[calm shard]

actually Recon is more talent expensive

[hollow ibex]

nah recon can run with basic bitch builds

yopu can run it with anything

whereas ilas you have to invest in it

[unreal nova]

Tell that to my recon build where it was hard to even get nade regen.

[hollow ibex]

that's your choice

recon doesn't need anything

[unreal nova]

You still want to run down whatever for shocktrooper.

[hollow ibex]

you can slap it onto any 30 point build and it'll work

nah

don't even need that

[light ridge]

Recon can run with anything but it shines with Onslaught and requires the lasgun talents on the left tree
Which means there's little left for Iron Will etc...

[hollow ibex]

wat

[calm shard]

recon is also kinda mid with every keystone

Target Priority is best for it, but it's not a breakpoint gun so it doesn't really matter?

[hollow ibex]

it benefits from FT, but yeah it doesn't really need keystones

[calm shard]

Ilas gets a lot of value out of FT, and MF

[unreal nova]

Onslaught is more of a meme.

[calm shard]

Because it is a gun that cares about breakpoints

[terse idol]

Just don't take a keystone

Keystone recon is like

Real

[hollow ibex]

correct

[calm shard]

yeah that's the obvious choice

[terse idol]

And then... FT

[calm shard]

almost every recon build I've ever seen has been keystoneless

[light ridge]

I use it to debuff anything tough coming our way, makes them die faster for everyone

[hollow ibex]

WS with recon

[calm shard]

yeah I'm certain your guaranteed one crit on the gun that has an effective crit chance of like 80% just by existing is providing value

for real

[hollow ibex]

still a meme

[terse idol]

How long are ya gonna talk about onslaught

[hollow ibex]

it's mostly memeing with the higher rpm boost

[terse idol]

It's on the

"Okay"

Scale

[unreal nova]

I can 4 headstab a crusher with my knife... And my build is more 'nades... What do you think a properly build Zealot or melee vet can do?

[heavy rover]

Deadshot with recon
(just joking... maybe )

[terse idol]

If you're playing keystoneless recon

And want to shoot crushers as a meme

[hollow ibex]

very deep into meme territory at that point lol

[terse idol]

Its not garbage tier in this case

[heavy rover]

only the finest of memes

[light ridge]

Don't care, I liked recon+Onslaught before they buffed the recons and I still do

[terse idol]

Like if we want to talk about garbage, deadshot and recon is much much worse

[hollow ibex]

this is the staffker of vet lmfao

[terse idol]

Who cares!

Like this one of the few instances that onslaught works

[unreal nova]

I mean, it's a malice build.

[terse idol]

With recon

Other than that it's a pretty bad talent

[calm shard]

I honestly hate using Deadshot

[unreal nova]

Just shoot everything from start to end.

[calm shard]

I'd bother using it if it didn't turn off when I run out of stamina

Like I would just accept the downside of having no stamina all the time if it didn't also disable the talent

[hollow ibex]

i only care because dude was putting onslaught on the same level as our lord and savior iron will earlier

[rustic beacon]

I like deadshot with the agripina revolver

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stroke-cat-having-a-stroke-pet-animal-gif-7898751840225419814

[steep flower]

if only you knew

[heavy rover]

a vet build without iron will just feels so.... wrong

[tropic pendant]

Sorry to interject, but what dump stat do you use for the knife?

[unreal nova]

Mobility.

[rustic beacon]

Mobility

[steep flower]

A most logical assumption

[light ridge]

No, that's a misunderstanding
You need Iron Will
But if you want Shocktrooper, Iron Will and Onslaught, there isn't much room left to play

[calm shard]

this is just a psyker with no brain magic

[steep flower]

wdym? you can have them all lmao

[terse idol]

Well yeah with alot of point investment

That's what they mean

You can have them all *if you spend alot of points

[unreal nova]

You mean all.

COs my meme recon build be like that.

[light ridge]

You can but you need to start making choices afterwards
Especially on Infiltration

[terse idol]

Imo you just go voc or exe

[tropic pendant]

oh yeah in auric maelstrom and above or just general vet gameplay in general, how should I position myself?

[steep flower]

i just made an infiltrate build and i still managed to get all of them

[rustic beacon]

I really disliked exe stance when I started playing but nowadays it‘s probably my favourite vet build with bolter

[calm shard]

FRONT AND CENTER BABY

You're the star of the show, and everyone else is just paid actors

[restive mountain]

What poppin?

[terse idol]

In your team like usual gameplay

You should always be with your team

In a place where you're not too close to doors

Where you can shoot targets or be in range to voc everyone

[tropic pendant]

Just behind the melee dudes?

[calm shard]

unless you are building to be one of those melee dudes yeah

[rustic beacon]

I‘d add that - especially with vet - you usually wanna position yourself in a way so you can disengage from the horde for a sec or 2 to snipe specials/elites and then go back meleeing

[light ridge]

Me too, but my options for adding other things are limited, very limited

[calm shard]

just snipe them mid horde it's nbd

[heavy rover]

yeah, emphasis on this

[calm shard]

weapon specialist gaming

[unreal nova]

I mean like, what can you change if you wanna go full recon memes?

[terse idol]

I mean you should be versatile enough to do everything imo

[grand perch]

yeah thats a major gripe of mine as well, that should be changed so the bonus still partially applies once you hit 0 stam

[light ridge]

Rending Strikes instead of 20% Ogryn/Monsters?

[terse idol]

The difference in auric, auric damn maelstrom and stuff is the ai director is globes off

[steep flower]

definitelly no deadshot for recon; you empty your stamina instantly and get no benefit afterwards and then you can't push nor block nor sprint

[grand perch]

have you heard of our lord and saviour the clown recon build?

[unreal nova]

So more memes?

[hollow ibex]

ok, good. it sounded like you were putting onslaught on the same level as iron will earlier.

[steep flower]

also no 30% weakspot dmg is oof even for recon

[grand perch]

it has deadshot and duck and dive to clown before the enemy with

[light ridge]

Weakspot damage instead of Deadshot

[hollow ibex]

just take 3 stam curios

[unreal nova]

Yes, but joke meme build. i usually just take weakspot bonus since you can just spray headlevel.

[hollow ibex]

[tropic pendant]

I unironically got used to just doing this with the revolver and it's cleave

[light ridge]

Moar memes!

[unreal nova]

Btw, I know it works on malice. Cos i was bored and tried it.

I honestly don't think you can spray at everything on higher without needing to go ammo goblin.

[light ridge]

I run it anywhere
Love my Recon XII and Chainsword XIIIg

[grand perch]

also recon isnt much of a finesse weapon iirc. precision strikes doesnt do that much, but id need to test to be sure

[hollow ibex]

precision strikes applies to melee too

[unreal nova]

Still, best of the three to take.

[tropic pendant]

question:
what are the situations you consider grenade worthy?

[hollow ibex]

depends

[grand perch]

if it moves, grenade

[unreal nova]

I see room, I see big horde. 2 'nades.

[hollow ibex]

with frags, if i have more than 1 grenade, i'm just tossing them out for free

[tall torrent]

Depends on which grenade ur using

[hollow ibex]

with kraks, only if it's a wall of crushers/bulwarks that my team can't immediately shred

[unreal nova]

I use kraks like frags in emergencies.

Lethal prox my best friend.

[light ridge]

Frags:
Horde = 2 nades
Team member down = 1 nade
2 nades in stock = 1 nade
Make space = 1 nade
In doubt = 1 nade

[tropic pendant]

how about frags? besides the big room boom
can they be used to create an opening or buy time?
and when is the demolition team talent worth it?

[solar monolith]

demo team is always worth it lol

even better when there's a lot of elites in higher difficulties

[light ridge]

I miss it whenever I don't have it, mostly in my Infil recon build

[austere fog]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[unreal nova]

It staggers dook, so toss if you have extras.

[tropic pendant]

yeah just heard the consensus that it only starts to shine on auric above

[unreal nova]

Always keep one for emergencies.

[tropic pendant]

what's dook?

[unreal nova]

Shit. Yep. In this case, heretics.

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/pomegranate-granat-owoc-granat-gif-21213697

If hungry: 1 nade

[unreal nova]

I think that's your oggy stealing your krak to eat...

[faint beacon]

what the fuck is this gif LMAO

some soyjaks really are just indecipherable

[austere fog]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[tall torrent]

It’s ok at damnation and above, because spawn rate below damnation is generally low

[warm bolt]

Like half of them would be a cognitohazard for a medieval peasant

[balmy flume]

The soyjack meme is supposed to represent a “weak willed male being addicted to [x]” at it’s inception, but as a meme nobody takes it that seriously anymore unless you use it as an insult in a politics thread.

[tropic notch]

Me when pomegranate

[terse idol]

Pom pilled in hades fr

[balmy flume]

Then again Americans have this weird way of making everything relate back to the 2 parties…

[thorn lark]

In french pomegranates are called grenades

[solar monolith]

ugh god rashad feels so slow after playing knife for so long

is rashad/db a bad idea or is the mobility a non issue

[thorn lark]

Rashad db is perfect with a ws always prepared build

[terse idol]

Yeah

I got my rashad db build rn and

As long as there's something in melee with you

Infinite db shots

[unreal nova]

Why do you think I said Relic was clunky for me?

[solar monolith]

just gotta get used to it ig

[hollow ibex]

Play with martyrdom

[tall torrent]

It just works

DB is super generalist I think

[unreal nova]

Nu, I went FotF+IJ.

[tall torrent]

It has barely any talent requirement

It might be the lowest point cost gun in the game for veteran?

[hearty panther]

depends how far you wanna take it but yea

[solar monolith]

yea i was thinking of doing some BM shenanigans on rashad so i can just swing once, qq, repeat

[hearty panther]

wepspec + always prepared is really it

[tall torrent]

The most is like
Agile engagement + WS + always prepared

That’s it

[hearty panther]

yea

and honestly

you could do without any of that

[tall torrent]

U don’t need any breakpoint related talents

Suppression doesn’t matter for it

[hearty panther]

blessings do most of the funny

[tall torrent]

Rending doesn’t matter for it

[solar monolith]

rashad is hella breakpoint heavy tho

[thorn lark]

Not with agile

[tall torrent]

Not rly

[solar monolith]

agile helps tbf

[thorn lark]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

U can afford to run a Rashad that doesn’t 3 tap crushers by default

Because reciprocity + desperado is 40% crit chance in combat and Rashad had very high crit damage vs carapace and unyielding

[tall torrent]

I don’t run it that way anymore either

[solar monolith]

yeah i've spent the last like 3 hours in the psykhanium just checking bps with a bunch of shit on rashad

[solar monolith]

true true

might go for a low point investment build and dump the rest on krak spam

[hollow ibex]

BOOOOORING

martyrdom relic blade is peak

[tall torrent]

I think these are the only hard requirements for Rashad

Superiority complex and BID both help, I run superiority complex most of the time now

[unreal nova]

You do know going Marty is the best way for me to not take damage, RIGHT?

It makes no sense, but it is what it is.'

[solar monolith]

lemme pull up gameslantern rq i could use some opinions

[hollow ibex]

whatever works

martyrdom builds also have a tendency to just kinda shred everything in front of them

so that helps

stray/spaced out ranged enemies end up becoming the biggest threat

[solar monolith]

@tall torrent sup complex/BiD didn't really help much from my psykhanium testing

ragers & maulers are still 3 tapped w agile/ht

[tall torrent]

Yea because you have 10% melee damage and fire team which is basically superiority complex except it works for all enemies

[solar monolith]

lmao true

[tall torrent]

Personally I like red nodes

Extra 1 krak is ok ig

[solar monolith]

though sup might help with like, midrange gunners i guess with the db

[solar monolith]

yeah that one is definitely a uh Personal Comfort Pick™️

[tall torrent]

Nah

[unreal nova]

That gunner half the map away says hi.

[vernal trench]

lmfoa my coherency is insane

[thorn lark]

People just don't realize.

[solar monolith]

i feel like i'm in the psykhanium more than actual missions lately lmao

[unreal nova]

Look, trying to proc double kraks.

[vernal trench]

i wish they will add havoc level enemies in psykanarium

[solar monolith]

to be completely honest

i've been thinking about dropping something for double kraks

just for the satisfaction of popping a BoN in like 2 seconds

(if i get lucky)

[vernal trench]

kraks are so good for bosses

[solar monolith]

i'm not sure how i feel about em ngl

they don't feel that significant

[tall torrent]

They’re up on demand and have generally better uptime than u think

Besides FTE

[solar monolith]

true, 10 seconds is a lot

[vernal trench]

what are red nodes

[tall torrent]

CQKZ is superiority complex on demand

[solar monolith]

i might drop the extra krak for cqkz

[tall torrent]

The best one is marksman

[solar monolith]

but the pathing

[vernal trench]

what that

[tall torrent]

But it’s generally harder to get to unless u already take superiority complex

[vernal trench]

oh this

[mental halo]

i having a hard time playing this game

[narrow frost]

In which way?

[mental halo]

that way

[terse idol]

Your isp

[mental halo]

huh?

[terse idol]

Your internet provider

[narrow frost]

In my experience with this error message, it's when my own Internet is slow

[mental halo]

damn

[terse idol]

That error typically isn't one most folks associate when the servers crap put

[narrow frost]

Either it being the busy time of day or I was downloading soemthing

[mental halo]

and we just got new interent really

[terse idol]

You could double check it

Or check your

[mental halo]

or re installed it

[terse idol]

Downloads

[mental halo]

i mostly put it in my ssd

but my space is so little so i can download only one game

[slow spade]

Remember to bully your local sniper

[calm shard]

twinned blast shredder grenades killing every enemy in a 14 meter radius (with bistol and grenade tinkerer) is crazy

[summer lance]

what does a combat knife build look like for veteran?

[gentle yoke]

I’ve been trying to do make every shot count for about an hour now. Every lobby I have joined is survivalist vets

[quartz nymph]

Are you using a double barrel?

[gentle yoke]

No I already tried that and didn’t get the penance without missing shots

[terse idol]

You can do it with survivalist vet

Just gotta get to 0 ammo and then immediately swap off

And don't swap back

[gentle yoke]

Doesn’t it still give ammo if they kill an elite?

[vestal widget]

doesnt count

if you dont swap back

[terse idol]

Yeah it doesn't matter

It matters if you have 0 ammo and then swap

Like I beat make every shot count with a revolver when there was another vet who had a bolter trying to do it

Who had surv lmao

[calm shard]

funny oops all damage build

surely practical :)

wait I ticked the fuckin' toughness share minor node by accident

I can get more DAMAGE

[faint beacon]

tbh if you can only move one node and you're making a joke max damage build

take Recip

[calm shard]

still doesn't even one shot why do I bother

[faint beacon]

I don't think its even possible to 1 Tap Crushers with the rashad anyways even if you build the Rashad to have Elite + Cara

[terse idol]

Because 3 tap rashad goes super hard

For little effort

[tropic halo]

Erm just swing it one more time

[sullen mauve]

still struggling to get long bomb penance after all these years
any tips to get it quikcer

[calm shard]

use bolt pistol with lethal proximity+grenade tinkerer for 14 meter radius, go into psykhanium look slightly up and tap the throw button to practice the angle

[crisp oak]

Dont think you can get achievements in the psykanium

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-fresh-mr-fresh-cat-cat-demiaowa-hello-street-cat-gif-14005121929265449159

[crisp oak]

Still can do it in a mission woth the same setup

In like carnival

[tropic halo]

Playing in the Rolling Steel is one of your best choices

You do it in the second section of you deploy the defusion and the enemies above the stairs will be spawning through there, you wanna throw your grenade in that spot

[faint beacon]

Rolling peak mentioned

[unreal nova]

You can even try aiming from after you first drop down to the high area in a high in mission. If you do it right and there's a group up there, it'll ding.

[faint beacon]

Any mission that really has long hallways you can do it

Archivum and Carnival are also good choices

[calm shard]

not even necessary

if you're on default FoV you can line up the heads of enemies with the bottom of your screen and tap throw it

at around ~20 meters

[quartz nymph]

Over/under on Vets getting a cool coat this coming Thursday?

[tropic halo]

Never

[gentle yoke]

I was so close to getting the make every shot count but right near the end I fired at a boss and missed…

Gonna sit in a corner and cry now

[winter sluice]

You know what's funny. During the end at like the valk or elevator. If someone has survivalist they can kill a special then you go up to 1 bullet and you are fucked as you leave

[faint beacon]

Thats why I DC'd whenever I saw a surv vet cause good luck reasoning with them

[tall torrent]

why inspiring presence

[calm shard]

misclick :(

[charred pulsar]

Deadass finally got to clear havoc 39

If I clear havoc 40 I get havoc forged right?

[pseudo fiber]

yup

[tropic halo]

Yes

[charred pulsar]

😩 got it

[supple laurel]

that autogun is fucking cursed 😭

[calm shard]

aye

[faint beacon]

40K M16

[faint beacon]

The counterpart, 40K AK-47

[calm shard]

real magazines have curves

[uncut pebble]

Blyat...

[faint beacon]

This is probably the only non-shitpost one I made which works really well for my VA's

[frank basin]

gear of war without chainsaw

[calm shard]

not at all

[frank basin]

it meant the looks bulky

[vernal harbor]

people in gears of war were on some shit

they were done talking shit out they needed chainsaws as an underbarrel

they had a disagreement

[burnt vortex]

"Fuck these underground assholes"

[vernal harbor]

not even

they had this shit when it was just a civil war

they were getting down to business

[burnt vortex]

Oh yeaaah. The eponymous Gears War

[vernal harbor]

The war of gears you could say

[burnt vortex]

That war was anything but civil, if the lancers were any indicator

[faint beacon]

I’m damn positive the lancers chainsaws were meant as breaching tools and I mean keep in mind about the Retro Lancer in Gears 3

Which has an actual bayonet on it

[terse idol]

The bayonett as a last resort weapon but in Gears, everyone is so muscular they just tank the boolets to chainsaw each other

[faint beacon]

Doohickey thing-a-majig

[tropic notch]

I need more boolets…

Bigger weapons…

[terse idol]

Let's go to the gym buddy

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/bromance-sig-curtis-alex-louis-armstrong-fullmetal-fma-gif-18194534

I didn’t know you were so cool @terse idol

[vernal harbor]

the bodies of the men in that universe convince me otherwise

that was for sternum sawing

[tawny badger]

fun fact, the lancer's chainsaw bayonet was made because the retro lancer's bayonet wasn't really doing that good of a job against Locust skin

at least according to the wik- oh shit that was two hours ago

[hollow ibex]

jfc

teams have been so fucking bad

i clutch, including soloing a boss

no thanks

then someone fucking double dips the med station

so i don't get to heal

i go down

team folds

[faint beacon]

Honestly that makes sense also seeing y'know

those fuckers are tough

Still I fuck heavy with the R.Lancers

[pure kindle]

I'd pay aquilas for a Braced Autogun with a chainsword on the special action.

Fuck James Workshop, fuck John Darktide: you grab some Black Library author away from maternity leave with their loving wife or the first recital of their beloved child and you put them in a room until that makes it way into lore.

So you're telling me there's a chance.

[warm bolt]

I think chainblades got lost during horus heresy

[warm bolt]

Tbf Dan Abnett was able to make wrist-mounted flamethrowers for the guard canon

So the hope is not yet lost

[stoic thorn]

Probably

[ebon hound]

Ey that shit looks like a Armageddon pattern autogun!

[remote sonnet]

12 rounds mag, better make those shots count.

[north nimbus]

adept assassin for vet i need to kill enemy in melee and then do headshots on elite and spec for that ??

[warm bolt]

Tbf it's slugs so the enemies better have good insurance

[stoic thorn]

I like to think that are M2 Brownings that survived the 40k years of war and there's a few of them scattered all around the galaxy

And their frames are scraped with the names of planets and war zones it was

[faint beacon]

Oh an excuse to change my Vigilant Autogun

[frank basin]

Fatty receiver, small and fattier magazine. Sensing the volume mass of the steel is heavy as look.

[ebon hound]

Well shit man i didnt say it was exact

[warm bolt]

Chimera's pintle-mounted stubber is just straight up an M2 browning

[remote sonnet]

Slug just means 1 piece projectile...

[warm bolt]

I know

And it's high-calibre slugs

On autofire

[remote sonnet]

High caliber means jack.

[faint beacon]

Armageddon special

Huge fucking slugs on full auto straight to the chest

[warm bolt]

Yeah but there are thousands of you firing it down range

[remote sonnet]

Big or small, it is still 12 rounds, still need to make them count.

[stoic thorn]

Yes that's what the stubber yes

[warm bolt]

~~let me simp for the closest thing we have to saiga pls im running out of copium ~~

[stoic thorn]

I have LSM vehicles with stubbers

[warm bolt]

That i agree, 12 feels like not enough even if you have the whole platoon firing

Wonder why no drum mug or smth

[stoic thorn]

Those are just the M2 Brownings with a different barrel

[warm bolt]

Oh you meant like literally M2 brownings?

I bet Big E has some under Terra

[stoic thorn]

I think we have the 1911 somewhere around here

[remote sonnet]

There are some .300 win mag semi auto in real life, even though it is just a 7.62 slug, it still puts the auto shotgun to shame.

Browning is the Saint of Firearms.

[stoic thorn]

From RT era

This picture is older than most of us

It came in the Rogue Trader book

[remote sonnet]

Stub pistol...

[stoic thorn]

As in the first rule book for 40k

Never seen again

[warm bolt]

I love how goofy RT was sometimes

Like how there's a planet called Birmingham no one wants to visit cause it's so shitty

[remote sonnet]

In those early editions, the guns are literally said to be of the 21st century equivalent.

[warm bolt]

There are mentions of black powder muskets even

Obesemegalodon please

[remote sonnet]

Mind you, it was also the time when 40k was the most over the top.

[stoic thorn]

This was the time the half-aeldari half-human space marine psyker existed

[remote sonnet]

And titans are visible from orbit...

[stoic thorn]

I believe that character was repurposed into one of Yvraines colleagues

[warm bolt]

Dont forget the greatest inquisitor Obi Wan Jack Von Cleauseu

[stoic thorn]

Peak

[remote sonnet]

Btw, its been a while since I see some Madness fan.

Been more than a decade...

[stoic thorn]

Not really a fan anymore just too lazy to change pfps

[ebon hound]

Im still a fan

[dull sequoia]

hey guys, what's the dump stat for revolver? thanks :>

[remote sonnet]

Mobility

[faint beacon]

Mobility, usually the norm for a lot of weapons though check pins there’s a guide for Veteran weapons in there

[warped thorn]

whats the best mark of the helbore?

[tidal quail]

is there an arguably "best" gun to use at higher havoc levels/auric?

[calm shard]

doesn't matter much in auric

in havoc though the viable guns were the

Mk IIb Infantry Lasgun, Mk VII and VIc Recon Lasguns, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, and Plasma Gun

maybe also laspistol can't remember if that one was supposed to be good or not

[warm bolt]

The green one i think?

Not the IV one though

Good damage but bayonet is useless

[warm bolt]

Iirc it's pretty good if you build it right

But also i barely beat h25 so dont quote me on anything

[calm shard]

Mk IV helbore is notable for having good carapace damage out of the box

the other 2 don't

[pure kindle]

Yeah, Auric is basically the same as Damnation except with guarenteed high-intensity. If you know how to use "bad" weapons, then they work in Auric.

Havoc only works on Havoc logic. Anything that isn't maximally ammo-efficient - the Recon Lasgun, Bolters/Flamers that you save for exclusively bosses, and Plasma for sheer damage - drops off pretty quickly in efficiency.

[warm bolt]

Huh didnt know that

[calm shard]

green helbore would need to use armourbane blessing to be able to kill carapace at any speed

brown helbore just kinda does it

on my Exe+MF build my Mk IV Helbore can one shot crushers

same setup with green helbore

[tidal quail]

ty

[pure kindle]

Weight of Fire (shoot more) and Surgical (shoot less) seem counterproductive. What am I missing?

[faint beacon]

35+ is Damnation+ which increases HP pools again so breakpoints are thrown out the window

[calm shard]

extra crit chance to keep ammo economy while spamming charged shots

crit chance is your ammo with las weapons on vet

[faint beacon]

If you’re wanting something that’s effective for H40 Recon Las with Headhunter Infernus and Shocktrooper and taking Demo team and demo stockpile guarantee you can help as much as possible

[frigid wren]

GUys, which is the easiest/fastest way to do the "killingshot ready" penance (2500 kills with 10 stacks of marksman aura)?

[pure kindle]

Start in the next five minutes.

[warped thorn]

i got it with the plasma weapon

[hot nest]

Blue Recon Las Gun with infested damage perk and spam it into horde of trash enemies

[calm shard]

nah just hit max stacks and throw shredder grenades into hordes tbh

doesn't have to be ranged kills you just have to be at 10 or more stacks

[remote sonnet]

Or use combat shotgun in auric heresy then move and shoot.

[rugged lark]

It tries to trick you into using anything but a machine gun

Don’t let it

[vernal trench]

Ive seen a guy run it on h40

He kept dying but its usable if ur a better player

[vernal trench]

Na thats 25 or 30

[sullen jackal]

laspistol is the gun equivalent of the knife

it's a mobility stat stick that can supplement a primary melee weapon

[calm shard]

knife is a mobility stat stick?

what the hell kinda take is that about one of the strongest melee weapons in the game

[sullen jackal]

it can be both

but if you wanna rage sure have fun with that strawman i guess

[calm shard]

how is it a strawman it's literally what you said less than 10 minutes ago

that's not what a strawman is

[vernal trench]

Na

U can have insane crit on laspistol and stack infernus on it

[vernal trench]

Also what does that even mean

Knife is good for its mobility

N for taking out specials quickly

[meager quarry]

hey everyone, I'm looking for some builds

where do I find it?

(for veteran)

[tame lodge]

Path made a entry level build

Gimme a sec

Hmmm
Couldn't find one with frags

[iron atlas]

how does assault chain sword work?

u press special attack, chain go brrrrr then when i hit, the chain not brrrr anymore

guidance pls

[rustic beacon]

Any preference regarding weapons?

[meager quarry]

Im using the chain sword and the bolter

[native robin]

How long are you waiting between making it go brrrr and hitting someone with it? Fuel isn't cheap so it doesn't brrrr for long before you gotta hit something to make it go krrrchwcrkkrnksquelch

[rustic beacon]

For chainsword wrath+shred with flak+maniac. For bolter pinning fire+puncture with flak+maniac. Due to the slow swap speed of the bolter you wanna go right side in the beginning to grab both one motion and tactical reload. I‘d then go survivalist and executioner stance. Voice of Command ofcourse would also work well and is safer. I‘d recommend maybe smth like this: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e29c723-838f-4e55-a72e-c45ce2c39f23/example-2

the last 2 points are flex. I‘d put them either in volley adapt (even faster reload) or confirmed kill (more toughness regen)

[iron atlas]

so press rev chain brrr how long before swing and krrrrchchrkkknsquelch enemy? need general rough guide usage

[uncut pebble]

If youre sawing something and dodge or get hit, the saw turns off.

[iron atlas]

so just click special button it activeate the "special attack"? just like power sword/shock maul and all special action weapon type

[pallid jetty]

only the last tick of the sawing deals the most damage

[iron atlas]

no need to press long, just one press and i can smack enemy

[pallid jetty]

pressing special one time makes the sword go brrr

it lasts a few seconds

power sword works the same

ogryn shock maul works same

[calm shard]

power sword does not work the same

power sword lasts multiple swings with a blessing

[pallid jetty]

it does

[calm shard]

chainsword and power maul are always the one attack

you get one big ol' swing and that's it

[pallid jetty]

attack usage is different, revving it is the same

you nerd ahh emoji

[iron atlas]

[uncut pebble]

Sawing every enemy is also not how chain weapons work.

You should only saw things you can ping.

[pallid jetty]

now this is the most dumb shit ive seen today

bad advices, less goo

[uncut pebble]

Excuse me?

Yeah, waste your time sawing every individual poxxer you lay eyes on.

[pallid jetty]

oh i red "saw thing you ping", instead of "saw things you CAN ping"

sorry

nm then, yeah, sawing is useful only against special, elites and bosses

[native robin]

How are you going to have enough blood for the blood god if you don't saw everything? You gotta be Khornemaxxxing all day everyday

[pallid jetty]

weapon balance 😦

you can saw only one guy at the time, and it takes too much time

[tame lodge]

Bloodletter Eviscerator

[iron atlas]

witout using special attack, the damage of cain sword is alrdy good enough?

[light ridge]

It's acceptable

[pallid jetty]

blue one does good sawing damage

[rustic beacon]

Chain sword is a very mediocre weapon

[pallid jetty]

oh without special

i cant read today sorry

[light ridge]

I rev for Carapace or Unyielding, or if I just want something to die death in a spray of gore

Also rev attacking a mutie as it charges by is just fun

[pallid jetty]

its has good speed and cleave, but its not great against big hordes and big enemies

shooters, bruisers - alright

[light ridge]

It's acceptable
Versatile but there's better weapons

[tough tiger]

tac axe

[pallid jetty]

and the green csword requires a bit of mastering the move set

to land all the fast overheads

and not miss other moves

and to stagger enemies with horisontal hits to avoid using pushes

[light ridge]

XIIIg is the better one imo
Horde clear/control on light
Strong heavy Shred attacks
Even light shreds are nothing to scoff at

[pallid jetty]

green one is light, easier to combo and cancel attacks

blue one is just lmb lmb lmb lmb lmb

[steep flower]

if only that blessing was good on that weapon; 6 bleed stacks ONLY!? While chainsword has 14 and chainaxe has 16? HYPERBRUH

[iron atlas]

so how does weapons specialist keystone ability work? how to build stack and how to activate it? im confuse

[sleek garden]

Mine can one shot bruisers to the head in on lights

They're flurry weapons they attack pretty fast

Don't expect them to be duelling swords

[steep flower]

Can't stagger curshers tho nor reapers with light att revs; just so you know so you don't get flapjacked

[sleek garden]

It has a horde clear combo but the heavy takes like a full second to swing it sucks

[tame lodge]

Melee kill stacks ranged buffs
Ranged kill stacks melee buffs

Swap to activate

[sleek garden]

I know it sucks

But I guess it's not really meant to be an anti carapace weapon

It seems to kinda fill the same niche as the devils claw?

[steep flower]

it tries to be good in all fields while being medium in all of them

[sleek garden]

Where the special damage is massive against everything else and just serviceable against carapace

[steep flower]

which is alright

[sleek garden]

It's one of those safe weapons

[tough tiger]

dclaw is a defensive weapon, theres nothing safe about the chainsword

[sleek garden]

You can attack fast enough with the chainsword to stagger a rager

You're right

[tough tiger]

using special attack makes u exposed, whereas dclaw special attack is when you're safest

[steep flower]

Don't understand why ppl praise mk XIIIg chainsword; the only proper horde clear combo starter is the push attack cause otherwise you give overheads before swipes and you risk being overwhelmed

[sleek garden]

It's pretty aggressive but I'd still say it fits the same role

[tough tiger]

u can stagger ragers with dclaw too if you run the impact on hit blessing

[steep flower]

and if you mess up the combo you need to start all over and if you have no stamina to push (can happen to the best of us) you're toast

[sleek garden]

The maniac damage is crazy bad it takes like 5 swings to kill a trapper

[tardy arrow]

I like Chainsword

[sleek garden]

Start combo before horde gets to you

[tardy arrow]

However, it is a placeholder weapon for me until Vet gets a 2-handed

(spear pls)

[balmy flume]

It does make me wonder if that will happen (2 hands)

[sleek garden]

It'll be another busted weapon

[steep flower]

forgot to point that the combo is quite slow in comparison to devils/heavy sword similar combo btw

[tardy arrow]

Probably will, if Psyker can have them Vet defo can

[steep flower]

is it cannon they use spears?

[balmy flume]

Now I am thinking Power Fist…

[sleek garden]

No I mentioned it

[tardy arrow]

Yeah, plenty of spears are used. Catachan even use glaives

[steep flower]

I'm on that glaive train then

[sleek garden]

The green one does better

[tardy arrow]

Look up Catachan Duelling Glaive, you'll probably like what you see

[tame lodge]

Alternatively
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