veteran-class

[pallid mango]

If only it could melt crushers just as good

[tropic pendant]

wow nothing but good

anything bad about it?

[calm shard]

it's a weapon you really have to build for, and it isn't very good at using any of veterans keystones

so most builds that use recon build for the gun, and don't use keystones

[faint beacon]

I'd say you really only need 1 if you like having stamina

just rock sprint eff on one of your curios

Veteran very much can enjoy rocking a 21HP, 17Tough, 3Stam combo

very fun and delicious

[pallid mango]

I use it for deadshot mainly. Running 3 toughness curious on everything else. Sliding saves lives and stamina

Sweet sweet toughness damage reduction while above 75 and VOC

[faint beacon]

Deadshot is extremely situational regarding the weapons you're running I wont lie but I'd recommend if you're not doing like stamina usually do 1 HP 2 Toughness

[pallid mango]

But it's funni

Just shooting whole game without touching my knoife once

[faint beacon]

I'd say thats a bad habit, though usually when you're doing something regarding abusing shocktrooper on Vet

run something like headhunter + DumDum/Infernus

[pallid mango]

Hey, i have my plasma-dueling stick with all the breakpoints for left click when i want to be boring, i can have my fun once in a time right?

[faint beacon]

My fun consists of running lukewarm weapons with either mediocre or good melee's

Vigilant Auto + Knife

[pallid mango]

Big bolter + ExS goes boom boom :>

Or hellbore lasgun

There is definitely bot enough hellbore lasgun users around

[faint beacon]

Swap speed is the hardest hurdle for it is why

[pallid mango]

I really love that ExS switches to your ranged instantly even if it's big ass bolter or hellbore

[grand perch]

convert to VII vigi, brother. IX is the false prophet

[tall torrent]

I think it's the sights being abysmal

[faint beacon]

IX is not the false profit

[faint beacon]

Yeah also that

[stoic thorn]

If we getting a grenade launcher I'm guessing we getting flechettes

[tall torrent]

horrible sights
bad maniac dmg
low firerate
low overall dps
no ghost
long draw time

having any 2 of them at the same time is kind of a dealbreaker for most people

[hollow ibex]

helbore is a unique... challenge

[grand perch]

But it comes with free suppression resistance

[tall torrent]

not immunity, just low sway

[grand perch]

I didn't say immunity

[tall torrent]

it also costs like your entire talent tree to run

which is another problem imo

it's not as extreme as boltgun
but it's close

[uncut pebble]

@tall torrent what is the multiplier for hitmass on h40? Trying to figure out how much assail can cleave.

[tall torrent]

3.2x to chaos faction horde enemies:
groaner (1.25 -> 4)
poxwalker (1.5 -> 4,8)
moebian 21st groaner (1.5 -> 4.8)

[uncut pebble]

Also hitmass for moebians bc it's not listed in the google doc version of your guide.

Oh so shooters don't get a hitmass bonus?

I'm wanting horde chaff + shooter chaff + bruisers.

[tall torrent]

no

[uncut pebble]

Interesting.

And bruisers aren't buffed by this either?

Because they arent "chaos faction?"

[tall torrent]

groaner 4 (chaos horde buff)
poxwalker 4.8 (chaos horde buff)
moebian 21st groaner 4.8 (chaos horde buff)
scab bruiser 3.5
dreg bruiser 2.5
scab shooter 1.5
scab stalker 1.5
dreg stalker 1.75

[gilded wraith]

Would hotshot 1 get you anything useful for a mk3 ps with sunder?

[tall torrent]

u'd have somewhere likr 87 effective cleave, assuming all weakspot hits

[hollow ibex]

cleave through atoma

what weapons even really benefit from hotshot anyway?

[tall torrent]

low point cost melee that wants but doesn't have access to +cleave

[hollow ibex]

So shock maul mk3

Knife maybe?

Idk

[tall torrent]

wouldn't call knife low point cost tbh

[hollow ibex]

Oh right low point cosy

[pallid mango]

Maybe that's cheating but i use weapon customizations mod to replace it with holo sights

[hollow ibex]

i'd say shovel but it still felt like shit with hotshot

[pallid mango]

Always thought it weird that there si clearly a picatiny rail on the vraks autogun and we don't use it

[tall torrent]

that's just 1 out of 6 core problems being addressed
with a fairly unstable mod that's prone to causing crashes

[pallid mango]

Oh, i am lucky then

[tall torrent]

it's def a lot more usable with actual sights

but those other 5 problems are still pretty bad

[dry cloak]

Give helbore a proper sight

Without mods

[hollow ibex]

that's what the P2W skin is for

the P2W skin that's no longer sold

[dry cloak]

Thats why is first switched to infantry lasgun and then bolter

[pallid mango]

Hey i cannot cosplay kriege's death corps without it. It just doesn't feels right to have plasma as krigsman

Or any actual epxpensive stuff. Have tou wver seen one with power sword and plasma?

[austere mica]

You know there’s a Vraks pattern autogun right

[pallid mango]

Which ones?

[tall torrent]

horrible sights
bad maniac dmg
low firerate
low overall dps
no ghost
long draw time

there're more but these are the main ones

[faint beacon]

The day MF gets reworked I kid you not some weapons on veteran might actually get buffed

Cough Vigilants cough

[pallid mango]

But it always funny to oneshot reapers :>. My friends now assume it's OP or smth. Do i tell them?

[dry cloak]

Even tried to use vigil autos

Might get back to them actually

[faint beacon]

I love them but I know they’re subpar

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/chosen-death-saruman-you-have-chosen-death-lotr-lord-of-the-rings-gif-17156745

[tall torrent]

I think vig auto VII is more generalist and better

[hollow ibex]

i can't stand the maniac adm on vigilants

and the vig vii feels really inconsistent for me because of dogshit servers

[dry cloak]

I love combat shotties but i know they are trash

[hollow ibex]

in my home region, ping regularly spikes to 90-130

[faint beacon]

Elite + Maniac MF stacks

Let you actually 1 tap ragers on a Crit

[dry cloak]

Today after i get home ill probably do some havoc

[pallid mango]

What's your build with space AKs braced autoguns anyway? Wanna try them out when i get enough Money to roll it

[faint beacon]

Pretty nice watching it happen on a notoriously bad maniac killer

[dry cloak]

Any tips for the vigil autos did not use them for 8 months? I know that you need to stand still when aiming

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e12d775-939b-4268-985f-57c11a884caa/brrrrrrt

[faint beacon]

I was about to say Agri IAG I mean I have something but braced? No

[grand perch]

Yeah that sounds like a problem when going for vigilant

[faint beacon]

Crouching helps

[hollow ibex]

yeah, the class of guns where you're actively punished for landing only bodyshots lol

[faint beacon]

But generally I’ve noticed shockingly

[pallid mango]

Thank you kind sir :>

[tall torrent]

u don't, if u play exe stance

[grand perch]

Which you should with them

[faint beacon]

Running MF helps a shit ton

[dry cloak]

Mf?

[pallid mango]

Tac axe?!

[faint beacon]

Marksmen Focus

[dry cloak]

Aye

[hollow ibex]

yes

[faint beacon]

I tend to do camo + tunnel vision so I can be aggressive with it

[dry cloak]

Its on my sharpshooter build

[hollow ibex]

MF is def big with vigialants

even if i almost never run MF anywhere else

[hollow ibex]

vigilants is prob THE gun you want MF on

[faint beacon]

It’s funny cause I run VOC with it also

And it STILL works

[dry cloak]

Infatry lasguns also like it

[pallid mango]

Well... That's... A... Definetly a choice. Well wanted to try it out anyway. How do one uses it?

[hollow ibex]

idk if ilas gets the sort of finesse modifiers vigilants do

[faint beacon]

I again genuinely think there needs to be a better way to maintain MF stacks instead of

[hollow ibex]

abuse exec stance, crouch, turn into a turret, and spray

[dry cloak]

I kbow that the 3 round burst one is weird

[hollow ibex]

like no need to really burst

[faint beacon]

Standing still or killing poxwalker for headshot

[hollow ibex]

you just spray

[uncut pebble]

Ilas has excellent finesse, it just has reverse damage falloff so enemies closer to you take less damage.

[dry cloak]

Agrip was nice last time i checked

[faint beacon]

Hardest one to work with lmao

Vraks

[hollow ibex]

graia's surprisingly ammo efficient

[grand perch]

Just get godlike at clicking heads

[hollow ibex]

it's the closest to IAGs honestly

[dry cloak]

It would be infinitely better if it had zero stagger

[faint beacon]

Graia and Agri are both really decent and ammo efficient

[grand perch]

Easy!

[pallid mango]

I meant tac axe

[hollow ibex]

i just run mkiv because i like to just light spam

the dps isn't great

[faint beacon]

Shred HT

[hollow ibex]

but it's a really survivable melee weapon because of excellent dodges

yeah shred HT is what i run

[faint beacon]

probably the best thing to do on Taxe 4

[hollow ibex]

wait no

headtaker relentless is whati run

[faint beacon]

Possibly BM if you’re doing like

Recip

As a talent

[tall torrent]

https://youtu.be/acWfUbK_v94

[hollow ibex]

relentless is pretty solid

[faint beacon]

But still typically Shred HT

[hollow ibex]

i found taht shred didn't help that much surprisingly

relentless is important for stuff like crushers

[grand perch]

Best thing about exec is it virtually eliminates side to side recoil

The hardest to compensate for

[tall torrent]

relentless exists solely for boss dmg
on a weapon that needs 2 blessings to kill things normally

[faint beacon]

Hence relentless is…

Not great

Cool concept just not great

[hollow ibex]

nah, it provides meaningful boost against crushers

shred doesn't actually do that much when i tested it

[faint beacon]

Uncanny Thrust

[hollow ibex]

so that just left relentless really

[faint beacon]

Hell not even you can just do Uncanny

With Recip talent

[tall torrent]

it's pretty bad vs crusher even with relentless

[faint beacon]

Click crusher head

[hollow ibex]

900-1k dps is usable

[tall torrent]

and u trade either headtaker or BM for it

simply not worth

[tall torrent]

that's ~4s to kill with no way to notably shorten it

[faint beacon]

I won’t lie they ever gave Uncanny to Taxe I’d feel like it immediately become incredibly strong to probably overpowered

[tall torrent]

nope

has no <1 ADM besides carapace

[hollow ibex]

cold start

no melee talents

like that isn't half bad

[faint beacon]

Weakspot and Crit procs

[pallid mango]

Life after dueling stick will never be the same

[hollow ibex]

i make a specific point to not use DS

[pallid mango]

Nothing like 2 shotting it to the face

[hollow ibex]

but yes DS would shit all over this

[faint beacon]

I mean it’s literally the most overpowered melee in the game

[pallid mango]

I still find it ridiculous that stick on a handle does more damage than a ducking chainswords or cnaiaxes

[tall torrent]

most overused for sure

[faint beacon]

Overpowered and overused

[pallid mango]

Force Greatsword go brrrrrrr

[tall torrent]

nerf it and 95+% players suddenly can't fight carapace anymore

[faint beacon]

Makes me want to sleep when I join matches with people in them

[hollow ibex]

haha finesse goooo brrrrrr

[pallid mango]

Mk8's chaining heavies are little bit stronger than dueling stick's heavies

[faint beacon]

The humble knife, uncanny shovel, RS Rashad, Powersword, fuck what else

I think it’s hilarious they don’t realize like

[tall torrent]

since when is knife humble

[faint beacon]

Theres other options

[dry cloak]

They will learn fast then

[tough tiger]

relic blade is decent for carapace

[faint beacon]

I’m literally listing anything that isn’t fucking DS

[tall torrent]

whats RS rashad

[faint beacon]

Rending Strikes

[tall torrent]

rashad doesn't need rending to fight carapace

[faint beacon]

Seriously

[tall torrent]

rending is just easier for 3 tap guarantee

but tbh I've been playing with a build that doesn't even 3 tap them normally

takes 4 hits (3 if 1 crit, or red node is up)

and it's still fine

h1 stagger goes a long way and reciprocity actually working is 40% crit chance axe for free

[hollow ibex]

the stagger is pretty god damn nice

[tall torrent]

between 40% crit chance and red nodes ur most likely gonna have one of them up at a given moment

[pallid mango]

That's literally a toothpick. Imagine killing plague ogryn with it. It's equivalent to dying to a literal toothpick

[faint beacon]

I’d totally use the Chainswords more if they weren’t abysmal dog shit against Crusher hordes

[tall torrent]

chainsword needs a lot more than that

[hollow ibex]

it's a finesse toothpick

[pallid mango]

Mk 6 Combat blade's push attacks are pretty good against crushers

[faint beacon]

I actually had fun using a Shred Wrath 13g with Recip against Elites and Hordes

[dry cloak]

Knife meta

[pallid mango]

[faint beacon]

Just the moment any fucking crusher came into play

Immediate pain

[dry cloak]

Still nerf ds

[calm shard]

tbf most people with the dueling sword are afraid to fight carapace

they literally just use it against hordes and are scared to melee elites

[tall torrent]

2x the rev heavy atk dmg
Increase rev atk ADM vs carapace
Increase rev light atk's stagger
60% more stagger vs flak and maniac on heavy atk

[calm shard]

which makes me question why they even use the DS in the first place

[tall torrent]

would make chainsword actually good on veteran

which prob will never happen

[dry cloak]

Then there are people running whatever and killing them

[faint beacon]

I mean it’s good on zealot but zealot can make a lot of meh melees good

[tall torrent]

very funny but sadly true

they'd be 12x more effective with even a chainsword in that situation

[dry cloak]

Even with devil claw

Without wrath

[pallid mango]

I really want to improve with chainswords. Struggling with carapace and maulers. Any tips?

[faint beacon]

This talk is just making me realize how many melees have like a few issues just heavily holding them back from being solid picks

I should just play Heavy Sword again 🚬

[dry cloak]

Chainswords are not that good agains cara. For mauler hit theyre body

[faint beacon]

Anyone who says bloodletter is good isn’t realizing they’re taking a huge sacrifice by not taking shred

[tall torrent]

zealot has some big problems people are too afraid to admit

yes their talent tree sucks

but they also have broken talents that can use nerfs/changes

[faint beacon]

It’s honestly due for a full blown tree rework tbh

[dry cloak]

I dont even have chainsword on vet but i have one on psyker

[calm shard]

zealot and ogryn both need one

[tall torrent]

for example, both duellist and second wind deserve sizeable nerfs

second wind nerf can come after zealot's talent tree structure is made more approachable, but it can use a small nerf (maybe from 15% to 10%)
other toughness gain talents can be made better to compensate, like making blood redemption be +4% instead of +2.5%
while it's really cool and fun, encouraging kills for toughness is ultimately healthier than "dodge everything to keep toughness up forever"

duellist can either be changed to:
+finesse (between 50~100%, maybe 60% or 70%)
or +20~30% damage
or keep as crit and weakspot but both values get nerfed (35% and 35% each)
problem with duellist is due to how finesse bonuses are calculated which results in massive damage increase for very specific weapons

[faint beacon]

Yes this includes talent changes obviously

[pallid mango]

They can just choose to not die. Even after screw up of the century. And with toughness curious and all the toughness damage reduction they are the tankiest even with low health

That toughness damage reduction on dodge and crit is just too powerful

[tall torrent]

tankiest is ogryn

[faint beacon]

FNP

if they actually bother taking it

[tall torrent]

zealot feels tankier because second wind constantly fills ur toughness back

and u actually have good dodges

[pallid mango]

Yeah but can the ogryn survive 5 overheads from crushers in havoc 40?

[faint beacon]

Ogryn can nullify them

[tall torrent]

yea u just shield

[faint beacon]

Slab shield planting

Frame 1

You’re quite literally parrying the overhead

It’s stupid

Will it ever get changed? Probably not

[uncut pebble]

This is an until death cope, isn't it?

[pallid mango]

I mean... Good payers only die to some unluck or human error that happens to everyone. Nobody is save from it. And it happens rather rarely. And untill death works as perfect safety pillow against those, to save from those rare fuckups that otherwise would have ended the run

[faint beacon]

Tbf UD is ultimate baby mode

[uncut pebble]

Yeah it's an until death cope.

That's funny.

[hollow ibex]

Don't touch that shit. I need it for martyrdom

[dry cloak]

Ogryn devil claw when

[uncut pebble]

You do know that until death doesn't really work well in havocs right?

If you eat an overhead, you are dropped to 2hp, broken toughness, and the rest of your hp is instantly corrupted.

Can't even get holy rev value.

[pallid mango]

So you start playing more safely, for 120seconds, after that you can start playing more relaxed again

[uncut pebble]

You should always be playing super safely in h40.

I dont see your point with this.

Genuinely just a cope.

[pallid mango]

I think martyrdom is really good in havoc cause you are gonna end up with low health eventually

[grand perch]

As long as you have 1 hp you are tremendously more useful than a corpse

[pallid mango]

And zealot has a choice to relax a little. Cause he has that safety pillow

[uncut pebble]

Yeah but my point is, it's significantly less useful in havocs than it is outside of that sandbox.

[pallid mango]

Yeah, that. Just switch to flamer or ranged at play sefely for a 2 minutes and you are back in action. It's really is one of the most forgiving talents in the game

[uncut pebble]

So, lemme get this straight, you are mad that until death exists as a safety net in a mode where you are significantly unlikely to survive even if you do set it off?

[calm shard]

https://imgur.com/a/bxdy7Ve

[pallid mango]

It is more likely to save the run in havoc than maesltroms since it procks less often there

[uncut pebble]

And on top of that, it's a 2 point investment that could otherwise be 1 point, and it may not even have that much value if youre playing correctly?

[uncut pebble]

This is peak copium.

Like actually.

Zealouts that pop until death in h40 do not usually survive long.

And if they do its because they just got stimmed, got a medipack, or got medicae.

[pallid mango]

You know. Noone is perfect. Everyone makes mistakes or just some bullshit happens. Untill death even just 1 point has insane value just for that.

[pallid mango]

All i am saying is that zealot is most powerful class rn.

[uncut pebble]

No it isn't lmao.

Psyker is leagues and bounds better.

[pallid mango]

And it has untill death to top it off

[pallid mango]

No fucking way you jut said that

[uncut pebble]

You know how you get around the "crutch" of until death? Kill everything before it can kill you.

Or, do what psykers do, and remove game mechanics.

[pallid mango]

You know I don't see a point in arguing with you

[uncut pebble]

Gunker, for example, removes fading light as a mechanic.

[uncut pebble]

Good for you, you are wrong and you can sit in your wrongness and be wrong.

:)

[vestal badger]

You know what the worst class is

Vet

[faint beacon]

More like Ogryn

[pallid mango]

That

[mighty anvil]

whats this?

[faint beacon]

Variants for weapons changes their base stats or specials depending on mark chosen

[uncut pebble]

Mainly movesets are the difference.

Achlys and antax combat axe fight way differently than rashad, for example.

[silver trellis]

Ngl I dropped martyr after like havoc 20 because it just wasn’t that viable by that point, which sucks since it was fun but its all meta in higher havocs

[vernal trench]

2 infiltrate vets on a 40

i wonder whos the better one

[wheat stratus]

they need to make lobby dodgable

[vernal trench]

na its fun lmfao

he switched and i told him to switch back

[topaz kettle]

new day new me

wonder what will try to kill me today

• veteran main

[tawdry tinsel]

Deffinetely a zealot

[topaz kettle]

place yo bets

lvl 4 mission

incomin.

[tawdry tinsel]

1000 plasteel on that

[topaz kettle]

okay

[topaz kettle]

-1000 plasteel

it was a daemonhost

[tawdry tinsel]

Awww

[topaz kettle]

(like actually it was a daemon host 😭)

and now theres a chaos spawn

GREAT

justa noda day in de guard.

[silver trellis]

nurgle summoning every single boss in the game to attack the strike team

I swear havoc has like 5 bosses per map

[tropic halo]

That sounds normal for auric damn and maels

Now face with a captain and one or two bosses together

[warm bolt]

We barely clutched captain and plague ogryn

Next room funni nurgle puppy drops

[pure kindle]

I think it's ridiculous that swords famed in duels for catching and parrying other swords (hence why the handle has that guard on it protecting the hand) doesn't have any parry options for its Marks.

[topaz kettle]

are we the clean up crew?

think about it

imperium turns guys into poxwalkers (most likely lower strata)

and we come in

murder everything

and we go out

[normal bay]

The Imperium turns people into poxwalkers?

Someone get the Commissar

[uncut pebble]

Heresy.

Dukane will hear of this.

You won't see the bolt pistol that kills you.

[topaz kettle]

de bolt pistol that kiels me...?

i don see a bolt pisto-

:splat:

anyways

another malice game

wish me luck

[silver trellis]

I got a chaos, ogryn and captain at once one time

Think it was Smelter

[uncut pebble]

Cspawn on smelter is agony, especially if you have to take it into end event.

So many ledges to get knocked off of.

[silver trellis]

We managed to beat it but damn

Lemme see if I can find it

Oh I dont have img perms

pensive

[uncut pebble]

If you keep sending messages (this is not an invitation to spam the server) then the bot will give you the convict role, and with that, embed perms.

[silver trellis]

Ah

Got it sah

Real talk

Why is clandestium so bad

[sullen jackal]

Ogryn is definitely not the worst class in general. Worst in terms of talent tree? Perhaps. (i'd probably give veteran or zealot the tag of worst class in general rn)

[rustic beacon]

You say ogryn is stronger/better than zealot?

[tropic halo]

Ogryn better because be bigger and stronger

[grand perch]

Quite the hot take

[pure kindle]

They're more fun, for sure.

Talent tree being what it is: Ogryn still use more than a third of it.

[dry cloak]

Ogeyn has bigger guns thus he is better

[copper fractal]

I’d say ogryn is quite accessible to play

But is let down by the tree

You can build zealot to tank just as much, if not more damage while pumping out twice the damage

[pure kindle]

Well yeah, because they have a more boring, optimal kit.

I can't think of anybody who'd describe standing in place while holding a small effigy as "fun" in comparison to redirecting an entire horde's focus or charging through them.

[tropic pendant]

can anyone recommend a build around the graia vigilant autogun?

[normal bay]

Ogryns failings only show up with a crack team of strong builds because they just kill everything faster.

Otherwise he's great for making plays, clutching bad situations and keeping pressure off the little'uns

And Ogryn has a lot of shit guns

[dry cloak]

There is a vigil autogun enjoyer here. Ping hin

[tropic pendant]

what is his name that I may summon thee

[dry cloak]

Galeophobia is his name

[tropic pendant]

@faint beacon O mighty Graia Vigilant Autogun man, bestow upon me that I may vanquish the Archenemy with grace (I love the revolver but a man needs variety)

[silver trellis]

I like the bolt gun on vet

And recon

[light ridge]

If you're standing in place instead of using to push forward, you doing it wrong

[dry cloak]

He may be asleep though

[languid estuary]

wait so the party finder won't let you search for havoc?

[pure kindle]

I now get to walk forward at a speed close to one-legged Crushers as my teammates play the game. Exciting.

Vet and Ogryn shouts in addition to Psyker shield at least keep the action moving.

[pure kindle]

It absolutely does.

[silver trellis]

It does

[pure kindle]

As a matter of fact, it's essentially the only way to play Havoc.

[languid estuary]

i'm literally at the havoc thing

[silver trellis]

Have you done a Maelstrom?

[dry cloak]

Have you qualified?

[pure kindle]

Did you beat the prerequisites?

[languid estuary]

yes

i literally just collected a reward cache

[dry cloak]

Restart the game

[silver trellis]

And or verify game files, thats weird

[languid estuary]

could it be because i'm running modded

[tropic halo]

Everyone using DS

I spit on all of them

[grand perch]

i do this

[silver trellis]

DS?

[languid estuary]

dualshock

[tropic pendant]

what does your gun stats look like?

[languid estuary]

they're all using ps4 controllers

[silver trellis]

Oh thanks

How can you tell though?

[grand perch]

tho this is a deadshot build, switch that talent to somewhere else if youre not comfortable with the stamina drain. you could save the point on tunnel vision as well then

[tropic halo]

dueling sword

[silver trellis]

oh

oh i got bamboozled

damn

[languid estuary]

they're using the mark 4 dueling sword

abbreviated ds4

(just like the ps4 controller)

[silver trellis]

I see

[last marten]

im going to start using tac axe in havoc

[wheat stratus]

avg taxe enjoyer vs crushers

https://tenor.com/view/weak-attack-stebe-matt-royal-crackers-weak-strike-gif-2399620685858423930

[sullen jackal]

killing enemies is not required in darktide for most enemies, the only enemies you must kill have a bar on the top of the screen

ogryn manage enemies by superior stagger and defensive capabilities. zealot make mistake, die

[normal bay]

Are you suggesting we let the heretics live?

[sullen jackal]

no, i am suggesting that you complete your objective so that the people with much superior weaponry and numbers can tear through the remaining heretics like a hot knife through butter

[languid estuary]

oh god

i know i joked about dualshock 4s earlier but there is an actual console player in my game right now

watching him play is so fascinating

he's like pre-aiming as he goes into rooms and it's like watching a tank turret traversing

[grand perch]

its true

[uneven garnet]

I bet he jumps instead on dodging too!

[normal bay]

I feel attacked

[sullen jackal]

technically with a mouse you should be doing so too(more important in helldivers 2 or some other FPSes but)

[uneven garnet]

Rebind dodge off of jump. It comes default and hurts gameplay.

[sullen jackal]

counterpoint, jump resets consecutive dodges and some classes cough psyker can dodge very fast after landing.

[normal bay]

I had hoped using the dodge priority setting would help. Apparently not

[uneven garnet]

Consecutively dodge is more important than reset. Block for 1 second and your dodges reset.

[sullen jackal]

ok or you could slide

[uneven garnet]

Nope. Unfortunately not.

[sullen jackal]

(tbh dodge sliding is likely far easier with it on a different key too)

(still have trouble with sliding :c)

[uneven garnet]

But what if the double bound jump/dodge triggers a jump. Now your crushed by the overhead

Once you feel the power of true dodging without the hindrance of jumps. You’ll understand how people pull off clutch runs

[sullen jackal]

also i really like the feel of dodge jumps >.>

[uneven garnet]

Also under input settings. Turn on always dodge and stationary dodge. Essentiall for kiting=dodge sliding backwards

[vernal trench]

Dodge jumps is crazy

[uneven garnet]

Sprint slide or dodge slide? There is a difference

[vernal trench]

Dodge sliding is risky

[uneven garnet]

It doubles your dodge window. Super helpful for disablers behind you.

[sullen jackal]

to be fair, I do play a lot of psyker and psyker has very small window after landing until they can dodge again.

[vernal trench]

Yea but its risky in some situatiosn

[vernal trench]

Why not jsut wait a second to reset

[sullen jackal]

which is bigger, 0.3s or 1s

well

0.85s

[uneven garnet]

You are correct. There’s a time and place for every mechanic. But knowing what’s available and making the bindings optimized really helps. The tutorial doesn’t teach this stuff.

[sullen jackal]

0.5s but you don't have psychic warp muscles so

i would likely rebind crouch/slide before dodge

and i still have trouble with using alternate keys like a side mouse button for zealot knives :c

[uneven garnet]

You can dodge up to 4 times consecutively depending on the weapon.

Well technically more but after so many they become less effective.

[sullen jackal]

ya, no longer considered dodging off memory + slower

i suppose another solution i saw is to set space to the dodge button and have another key for jump but

eh

[uneven garnet]

Dodge is the most impactful and important mechanic of this game. If your jumping while dodging, your not getting all your dodges.

[sullen jackal]

i am unsure about the dodge jump tbh tho and unsure how they two interacts specifically because i feel like it does move faster than two dodges but it feels faster if it's the last dodge in sequence

also still feels better than other ways to reset dodges

[uneven garnet]

I play on console. It was painful getting a layout that was functional. Once I unlocked dodge from jump. It opened my eyes. I’m just trying to help others out.

[sullen jackal]

cause you keep your momentum

again slide is the more annoying thing for me because ow my finger on sliding :c

[uneven garnet]

Could you bind slide to sprint? Sprint slide everywhere and always count as dodging without consuming dodges?

[sullen jackal]

i am unsure if slide and crouch have different keys

like tbh crouching instead of sliding has killed me far more than jumping instead of dodging lol

[uneven garnet]

Your right. You have to hold crouch to slide.

[sullen jackal]

"hold up lemme waddle instead of a sick cool fast dodge slide"

gets fucking annihilated by 30 gunners

[uneven garnet]

lol

[sullen jackal]

has to spectate for the next 30 minutes

[uneven garnet]

No matter what you change it’s gonna feel weird at first. I spent two months playing wrong. Learned about dodges, slides rebound my controller and pretty much had to restart playing from scratch. It hurts at first to optimize.

[sullen jackal]

i mean tbh my solution is to never dodgeslide :v

which of course has it's own problems but remembering nearby cover helps drastically vs gunners

[rustic beacon]

The only problem with tide games on controller is if you don‘t have back buttons

[vernal trench]

I mean i use a powersword dodging aint a problem

[uneven garnet]

I found a layout that beats that problem. Except for throwing knives on zealot. Fuckn dpad lol.

[rustic beacon]

Oh yh, zealot throwing knifes ruin everything. Because of that I put blitz on the left bumper, so my ping is on the dpad now. It works but still kinda annoying

[vernal trench]

Im on keyboard i aint got these issues

[uneven garnet]

Controller alt1. It puts dodge on left bumper. Than rebind b(crouch/slide to right stick click. Then rebind right bumper to B. It puts your weapon special above your primary. And your ult on b.

[sullen jackal]

the worst part of throwing knives is requiring a different key just for it

[uneven garnet]

This allows you to sprint slide just clicking sticks. With dodge easily accessible on left bumper. Also your Ult is on a button and not bumper. No more double charges on rush zealot. And weapon special above primary makes it so you can perform weapon combos effectively

[rustic beacon]

Interesting layout. I hate using the stick clicks, so I only still have the weapon special on the right one. I have (hold to) sprint on the left back button and dodge on the right back button

[uneven garnet]

Also under inputs. Turn on stationary dodge and dodge always. Essential for dodge sliding backwards to kite while still fighting

[rustic beacon]

Yh I have that

[uneven garnet]

Have you played with the aim assist? It’s another default setting that’s hinders.

[rustic beacon]

I tried all of them but eventually settled on turning it off again

[uneven garnet]

Wise choice. I went with light and adjusted the exponential curve or whatever. Upped my sensitivity. I can whip around fast and still no scope elites and specials coming through the hordes.

[rustic beacon]

You did find an option that never (even slightly) focuses the trash mob infront of you instead of the special behind the horde? If so, would you mind sending a screenshot of your settings?

[uneven garnet]

I’m on Xbox. I’ll send a pic shortly. Firing up the machine now. Praise the Omnissiah.

[elder garden]

Next major update better have some good stuff for veterans becuse last update nerfed us to hell we didn’t get any thing good not even a weapon

[rustic beacon]

Awesome, ty. Gonna try the aim assist later today

[uneven garnet]

I can also upload a pic of my optimized regular controller layout if anyone is interested.

[uneven garnet]

I hope it helps. I know the feeling of aiming for a special just to hit trash in the horde. This allows you more control with a tad bit of slow down over elites and such. I should iterate, I try not to ADS. It’s a bad habit from FPS. Only snipers in the distance need to be aimed at.

[dry cloak]

Good

Nerf vet

[slow sky]

EAD this current run of vets are screwed in high their difficulties and it sucks

[tropic pendant]

what revolver build do y'all run?

[vernal trench]

Idk i dont use cowboy gun

[visual badge]

most common is surgical + handcannon

depends on what you run

[silver trellis]

I think vet is still pretty good

Hes not the best but hes fun

[visual badge]

vet is still strongest class imo

not as squishy and can fill various roles

also the only one who can properly deal with ranged enemies

[silver trellis]

exactly

[visual badge]

zealot with duelling sword is not the strongest class

put it down and you'll see

[tropic pendant]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b19f0dd-12ce-4b8c-ba77-640a844e86ae/anti-plasma-vet-meta-auric
what do you think about this?
been following it for a while and was wondering if i could tweak it to get weapon specialist because it looks fun

[visual badge]

the whole left tree on top is kind of a trap

longshot is really not that good

it's a very minimal increase

idk on revolver, but I run helbore and I dont use longshot

get backin the fight is not good either

this build is kinda wack lol

mk 5 ds too

and stamina why stamina

I'm gonna make you a build

I havent used revolver in a while

I'm not an expert, I just kinda picked up on things in this discord but I'll try

[tropic pendant]

I appreciate that!

[serene bough]

Psyker definitely strongest

[visual badge]

I play psyker for 2 matches and I feel like I need a shower

[vernal trench]

I mean out of all 4 classes vet probably has the worst max potential

[serene bough]

Vet's VoC talent combo is the only thing that really needs a nerf on vet imo

[visual badge]

voc is definitely strong

honestly if you want to nerf voc

I'd rather just rework it so the two talents are on the playing ground

revive should lock the other one but just thats it

voc now revives, with no downsides

but locks you out of the second talent

@tropic pendant I am not too sure about weapon specialist on revolver, it could work

just seeing what works and what not

[serene bough]

rev shout is a noob trap

[tropic pendant]

saw a build using it to get Always Prepared to always have 1 bullet in the chamber? i think thats the gimmick

[vernal trench]

Shout res is the most meme thing in the world

[visual badge]

yeah always prepared can work

you also need crucian roulette to make most out of it

[serene bough]

tac awareness needs a nerf and duty & honor needs a downside, gold THP in general should be reworked as well

[visual badge]

@tropic pendant https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e23bed2-6622-466a-bdae-80036c092255/crucian-revolver-specialist

this is maybe what I would run

I am sucker for helbore, so I use that mainly because of counter fire

the reason I swapped born leader for for the emperor is mainly outside of havoc, it's not that necessary

catch a breath is way stronger option than get back in the fight

supression immunity kinda wack on revolver and weapon specialist

deadshot is also honestly not fan of it

marksman is not a good option (imo) on a voc build

you'll get the biggest use out of superiority complex

melee and ranged wise

I also swapped it out for one motion to compliment weapon specialist

O4B works on any kill, it is really strong

5% ranged, 10% melee kill

you also really dont need volley adept, you'll be using always prepared

and exhilarating takedown is sort of

I personally never found use out of it

could make an argument for going down the middle for +1 stamina

close order drill and confirmed kill are not really bad

but personally skewer more towards the right side as one motion compliments weapon specialist well

duck and dive is also not bad, but maybe too gimmicky

and I cannot personally see replacing something else with it

[tropic pendant]

yeah the build i sent just used duck and dive just for deadshot

what's the consensus on deadshot anw?

[visual badge]

for revolver and swapping, not bad

I dont personally use it

but more often than not, I find myself running out of stamina before I get any use out of it

if you want to try it out, I'd argue maybe swapping bring it down (not recommended for me)

and getting rid of the toughness boost

putting the point into deadshot and duck and dive

but that combo just sounds wack

I'd just put it into demo team and twinned blast

highly recommended combo

I don't like %

marksman is also not bad option, with voc it's kinda questionable

but you can have moments where you need to quickly pick off a special

so you can shout and have breathing space to kill the special

[tropic pendant]

have you ever played vermintide 2?

[cloud thunder]

Isn’t surgical better for revolvers

[visual badge]

with weapon specialist, you'll be using always prepared

crucian roulette is going to be maxed out

surgical is better in any other case imo

[visual badge]

yea, I have legend outfit on every class

[tropic pendant]

ahh there we go, trying to see if there's a bounty hunter or witch hunter captain equivalent in DT

[visual badge]

you're looking at aroun +30% crit chance if you have one shot

[tropic pendant]

loved special sniping

and 1 shotting chaos warriors in the head

with the rapier

[visual badge]

vermintide and darktide are really not the same games

you do have focus target and voc

sort of hybrid between saltz and kruber but yea

also revive shout is bad in this game

also I personally think marksman is overkill with DS4

practically any charged hit to a weakspot is going to instakill

especially a crit

[tropic pendant]

ill be testing the build in a bit
sidenote: what vet weapons have the highest skill ceiling?

or skill expression at least

[vernal trench]

the shittiest ones

[visual badge]

vigilant autogun

gun sucks ass unless you hit headshots

and you have to build for it to even one hit gunners

[vernal trench]

heavy sword + vigilant atogun

[visual badge]

heavy sword is semi decent

devil claw and you wont be able to kill anything

dont even bother with shredder autopistol

I have 100% all guns on vet except that piece of shit

it's something the orkz would make

[pseudo fiber]

It used to be good...

back in my day

[visual badge]

it's so shit the guide for vet recommends you to just use it to supress enemies

[grand perch]

it also staggers quite nicely

essentially youre shooting lego bricks

[tropic pendant]

how do yall feel about the las pistol?

[visual badge]

decent

[pseudo fiber]

It's good

[visual badge]

good alternative to revolver

[pseudo fiber]

Can easily run it in end game

[visual badge]

if you want actually good high skill ceiling gun, helbore

[pseudo fiber]

because of infernus, ghost and also shock trooper

[visual badge]

especially heavy helbore

need some decent aim, but dont need to worry about headshots

with a good build, it will oneshot kill to body most of the time

[tropic pendant]

between boltgun, las pistol, revolver
which one is worth investing in?

[pseudo fiber]

Unironically all of them

[visual badge]

all, but I would say revolver

easier to use

quick swap, onehit kills reliably

[tropic pendant]

what's a good melee to complement these weapons?
looking for an alternative to the DS too

[pseudo fiber]

Powersword is always good

knife

heavy sword

[visual badge]

rashad combat axe is top tier

chainsword is good for horde clear

[pseudo fiber]

Shovel is okay with revolver but I prefer it with slower weapons like bolter

[visual badge]

yeah knife + revolver is a popular combo

run fast and kill fast

but a little higher skill ceiling

knife doesnt allow as much safety as any other melee

practically no cleave

but it works well against specials and elites reliably

even ogryns

[tropic pendant]

I keep hearing about Rashad, whats so cool about it

And how does one exactly use the knife?

And is the plasma gun better than the revolver?

[visual badge]

rashad is like number 1 melee

its charged attack can stagger crushers from their overhead

they have a blessing that allows you to kill 5 enemies at once

brutal momentum

has the strongest horde clear out of all melee weapons

[visual badge]

the knife is more realiable against single target, it can kill specials and elites, especially ogryns pretty fast

its high safety in dodge count and movement speed, struggles against hordes imo

I think knife has the best dodge distance

any other melee is death by two large cuts

knife is more death by thousand cuts

(if not using heavy attack)

[tropic pendant]

What's the combo for the knife?

[visual badge]

theres a few

[tropic pendant]

Or like how do I approach?

[visual badge]

most common is uncanny strike + riposte

it pairs well with weapon specialist because of fast swap

its also high crit weapon

[cloud thunder]

Yeah I was struggling to find a decent setup with better horde clear

And I’m actually enjoying lacerate with mercy killer

Keystoneless

[visual badge]

youre better off with serrated blade build and mercy killer

so you can still get uncanny strike

but it's not really bad

[cloud thunder]

I tested all combos

[visual badge]

are you using mk vi?

[cloud thunder]

Lacerate and mercy seems the best atm

Mk3

[sullen jackal]

i know the clear combo with one of the knives for psyker. It's PA -> PA -> PA :p

[visual badge]

I'd recommend 6

[cloud thunder]

And it has good PA

I hate 6.

[sullen jackal]

for both hordes and single target lol

[visual badge]

I used 3 before and I actually found 6 stronger

[cloud thunder]

Feels terrible

Like the feel

[visual badge]

theyre both good

I guess preference

[cloud thunder]

Yeah

Mk3 works well with lacerate and mercy killer I’ve found

With PA every third light string

[sullen jackal]

there's also knife special -> special heavy I've found but unsure how best to use that

[cloud thunder]

Just a quick heavy stab without the charge up

[sullen jackal]

knives also have, I recall, a hidden backstab multiplier that increases damage dealt behind an enemy

[cloud thunder]

It’s good vs ragers, etc

But ideally you don’t get cornered by groups of ragers

[visual badge]

knives are really good at any single target

[sullen jackal]

tbh ragers once they target you seem very difficult to hit with most melee attacks

[visual badge]

it's just mix in chaff and you'll struggle a bit

[pseudo fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1290498905343000636/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.09.30_-_22.21.04.03.mp4?ex=67a4c583&is=67a37403&hm=0e9f34728a12316a67fabe94c6ecfa0dd09c3bdbdf2807d3310ccf9b5fc24f0d&

[sullen jackal]

because the attacks keep coming and they don't stop coming

[visual badge]

ragers arent constnatly attacking

just dodge with the knife and get hits in

[tropic pendant]

What mark is this and what's the sequence?

[sullen jackal]

ye it can just be hard especially if you have other stuff to care about

i do really like the combo of backwards stab, charge heavy, lunge in when releasing heavy tho

[pseudo fiber]

mk6
H1 > PA > H2 > PA

[sullen jackal]

especially with the rager attackspeed reduction a while ago, you can do quick boops with a knife before immediately dodging back out

nyoom

[visual badge]

yea mk6 push attack is

somehow ridiculously strong

especially with a crit

[pseudo fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984525651904176209/1243454115519004722/CB6_3402dps.mp4?ex=67a459e3&is=67a30863&hm=40596245a793b393efd2131f3c8c73ee1c755a326e2841e3488268bddd58ccb0&

this too (Thanks Path)

[solar monolith]

if you have the stamina for it you could just spam PAs at heads

[visual badge]

bear in mind you also have blessings stacked

and talents

[sullen jackal]

correct which only psyker and veteran with both stamina delay reduction talents have

[visual badge]

• focus target lol

but doesnt sway from the fact that MK6 is strong

[sullen jackal]

the use of H1/H2 seems to be to get around that for the veteran thus allowing PA weaving

[solar monolith]

tru

[visual badge]

+2 stamina is not actually bad idea for MK6 especially because of that

all you need is +25% carapace and stamina

[sullen jackal]

eh.

there exists +3 stamina curios ya know :p

[solar monolith]

and you can have three of them

[sullen jackal]

(don't have three of them)

[solar monolith]

(do have three of them)

[visual badge]

I run stamina and toughness

[sullen jackal]

the knife is really mobile btw, most of it's attacks have a speedboost of some kind and it's well known that you can go EVEN FURTHER BEYOND sprint speed if you hold attack while sprinting

[visual badge]

forgot to also mention a knife has a lot of stamina too

[sullen jackal]

very low stamina but it's efficient sprintwise with stamina

same with other light weapons

heavy weapons tend to have high stamina but high sprintcost, making them efficient with blocking. Light weapons tend to have the opposite.

[solar monolith]

so i should get 3 sprint cost reduction perks on curios, gotcha

[sullen jackal]

i recommend just getting stamina regen perks instead. :p

you can already sprint for like 15-20 seconds with knife without any curios

[solar monolith]

[sullen jackal]

and for push attack spam, the stamina regen delay is more important than any amount of stamina because you need 0.01 stamina

the problem is that push attack spam will leave you somewhat vulnerable without stamina for a bit

however, with the knife, this doesn't matter. Because you have dodges! In fact BIG DODGES, which can be combined with the massive speedboost on attacks to have a very 'floaty' playstyle that can avoid attacks simply by being someplace else that you need to be.

[solar monolith]

but how can i sprintmaxx without 12 stamina

[cloud thunder]

I mainly use knife as a kiting/repositional tool for my gun

[visual badge]

you can do 1 sprint efficiency and rest into stamina regen

I run that, and it works pretty well

[sullen jackal]

dodge back, lunge with heavy, dodge back, lunge with heavy for a kill, side dodge spam while thinning a herd, so on and so forth

[solar monolith]

i'm jokin lmfao i don't even run any stam regen

[visual badge]

you should tho?

[solar monolith]

dodge slides got me covered

[sullen jackal]

see a crusher on the other side of the room. you are suddenly ON the other side of the room with a sprint heavy attack, and just stabbed that crusher in it's stupid face because they didn't expect you to INSTANT TRANSMISSION over there

for veteran this mobility also means you can easily zoop out of melee range with a push into dodge, swap to range, and brrrrrrrrr

[visual badge]

I personally think getting rid of the problem than avoiding it is a much more sound strategy on vet

[sullen jackal]

then if you're threatened quickly in melee it doesn't matter because pulling out your knife is basically instant and you can go back to dodge zooping.

[sullen jackal]

Dodging, as far as I can tell, has zero impact on your attacks!

[visual badge]

not with knifes limited range

[solar monolith]

dodging doesn't stop you from attacking tho

dodge around, not away

[visual badge]

you dodged into a wall

prepare to meet the wrath of 500 clubs

[solar monolith]

that's like

a basic spatial awareness issue

[visual badge]

the emperors light has guided me to this wall

clearly it was His idea

[sullen jackal]

Okay, do an experiment. With perfect quickcharge heavy attacks(hold attack for just enough time to not be a light attack, which will swing the heavy attack as fast as possible), see how far away you can start the heavy attack while moving in and still hitting.

[visual badge]

if the seer has emperor in his head, why cant I

[sullen jackal]

Then do so with every other weapon. Even the dueling sword will have less 'range' here, the only other weapon that can compare as far as I can tell is the psyker's FGS.

[visual badge]

well the thing is that any other weapon can kill multiple enemies while dodging

knife can really only take few at time

[solar monolith]

all melee attacks have infinite range as long as you can walk to the enemies

[visual badge]

but yea I get the idea, I like running knife

but I also mainly run heavy helbore, so I need horde clear

[solar monolith]

fair lol

[sullen jackal]

Well yes, the tradeoff for excessive mobility is that you lack heavy attack power and sweeps.

[solar monolith]

i've been on the knife DB crackhead grind

[sullen jackal]

But like... a bunch of ranged units scattered around behind cover? Knife can sprintslide near them, and just take out each and every one of them more efficiently than any other melee weapon can IMO.

[visual badge]

everyone likes to say to charge towards ranged units

doesnt consider that theres also open areas in the game

[sullen jackal]

this can be combined with suppressing fire :p

[visual badge]

I understand, but I wont waste ammo to suppress

I'd just play zealot at that point

[sullen jackal]

knives also work well to take out specialists, particularly disablers

doggos don't expect you to lunge towards them

[visual badge]

you can take out the special before they even get close with a gun

why bring knife to a gun fight

[sullen jackal]

because you already have the knife out and you are The Flash

[visual badge]

I do give credit to knife for one thing

[sullen jackal]

mind you if you have a revolver yeah just swap to revolver lol

[visual badge]

it's good with infiltrate

and probs the only good melee weapon for it

because you can make those risky plays actually safe

[sullen jackal]

DS is more killy than knife if slightly slower and with slightly less carapace killing power

[solar monolith]

DS also has jank ass first person animations though

why is my arm coming out of my chest

[vernal trench]

@cloud thunder this guy?

[sullen jackal]

the weapon swapper thing is fun with DS and double-barreled shotgun. Kill three enemies with dueling sword, swap to double-barreled shotgun, shoot a single barrel. You can do so forever with the reload ammo on swap talent.

[sullen jackal]

https://tenor.com/b0B2z.gif

because your other hand is behind your back and so your weapon arm is under your head in order to have longer range :p

Dueling Swords are, well, rapiers? One handed swords where your shoulder is in front of your center of mass, your other shoulder and arm behind you(which is why it's held on the back, which sometimes used a dagger for surprise maneuvers), and feet poised for a quick lunge.

[cloud thunder]

Remove this. Against rules tbh

[vernal trench]

i didnt mention who

or why

[cloud thunder]

Easy to contextualize since there’s only one of that class

[vernal trench]

i could be talking aboutanyoen

[sullen jackal]

I'd suggest a two-handed veteran weapon, of course, to fix that issue. You know. If they didn't have weak noodl arms that even the psyker outdoes now with their two-handed sword.

[cloud thunder]

Huge difference @vernal trench

[solar monolith]

i will not stop until FS gives us a powerfist

[vernal trench]

yea but his damage was okay

almost got outdamaged by a zealot tho lmfao

[cloud thunder]

That’s what I’m saying

And his elite stats too are

💀

[vernal trench]

lmao yea he wasnt great

he was good enough that game tho im hapy with that

[crisp oak]

I dropped like a fly on my succesful 40 runs, not counting speedruns

[light ridge]

Fencing standard attack is through stretching the arm, this is the 6 position and the heavy1
The stance then shifts to the 5 position which starts from the left side of the body for Heavy2

The attacks and stances are actually pretty accurate from a saber fencing point of view

[visual remnant]

Rlly only the ds 5

[solar monolith]

imo if they lowered the viewmodel a little i think it'd be fine

[visual remnant]

It looks like a 16th century polish saber, or a transitional sidesword/saber w how chunky a lot of the handles are

[light ridge]

I'm talking move sets rather than appearance
All 3 use standard saber fencing techniques

[visual remnant]

DS4 is too thrusty 4 my likin ,,

The 5 shows what a moulinet should look like on a sabrr p well ,,

Mm no reception

[sullen jackal]

i need to get a max defenses + mobility DS for... memes on a character.

maximum dodge distance

[unreal nova]

I see you like being flung around.

[sullen jackal]

zoop

[tough tiger]

Are u a fencer? You sound like you're well versed with this

[light ridge]

I fenced years ago

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-it-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-gif-4883506

[grand perch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1dh52qp/datamined_power_fist_demonstration/

[native robin]

If they do I will rename whichever character gets it to Mr. Fister and use nothing else

[gilded peak]

Hey Vets, do you guys have a particular youtuber who can help guide a newbie to the class (and tide games in general)? Of a guide that explains what multiclassing you can do now? My friend keeps coming back with 2 year old videos and needless to say they are out of date....

[vernal trench]

Anyone but mister e

[light ridge]

Tanner does a decent run down of the talents if you can stomach his personality

Big Dom has good videos on grenade vet

And there's of course the vet guide in the stickies of this channel

[grand perch]

multiclassing? like, a sorcerer-barbarian vet or something?

[light ridge]

Scrier's Gaze Marksmanship?

[gilded peak]

I mean like how there are technically 3 subclassess so to speak, but you can go anywhere in the tree

and like "grenade vet" you could consider having a certain set of skills that gives coverage to scenarios/enemy types like a class does. Not the most accurate descriptor bt not sure how else to say it

[vernal trench]

Hell no

Big dom suxks

Sucks

His builds are meme builds

[light ridge]

Lol

[vernal trench]

Tanner is probablt ur best bet but his personality is aids

[light ridge]

People here tend to have strong opinions 😂

[grand perch]

tanner is also very stubborn even when hes objectively wrong

[vernal trench]

Its not strong big dom just isnt a good player or knows what hes talking about half the time im sorry

[vernal trench]

Yea

[grand perch]

also he doesnt consider helbore worthwhile for havoc and i cant forgive that

[vernal trench]

The best players are not youtubers i can tell u that much

Not even close

[light ridge]

I post gameplay videos and will link my build when I particularly enjoy it but I don't speak on camera so you'll need to try it for yourself

[vernal trench]

If u want quick advice watch youtube videos (half of it is wrong)

If u want good advice ask people here and test it urself

[gilded peak]

the guide isnt for me sadly... but what can you do when people prefer to watch things?

I linked several good guides already but \

[light ridge]

Listen to all sides and form your own opinion by testing it

[vernal trench]

Youtubers tend to have an ego and are stubborn wehn they are dogshit

So dont watch those and at most take it with a grain of salt

best way is just testing things out urself seeing what works and what doesnt

And ask people for advice when u need it

[light ridge]

If the run is successful it goes on YouTube, whether it makes me look like a noob (factual) or not (luck) is irrelevant

[vernal trench]

Im talking about mister e and tanner or whatever whoever like those

Idk who u are u dont even have ur channel linked to ur account

[light ridge]

Plenty of big egos on there, true enough

[vernal trench]

Very big egos

[light ridge]

Lack og ego 😅

[vernal trench]

half decent players at best

But think they are the best

[light ridge]

Let me fix that

[tropic pendant]

been testing it out and Always Prepared feels really good!!

just compared your build to this popular one and just wanted to know your thoughts regarding your differences
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1b6648-4968-4b00-a3b8-4d1883cffd95/saltzpyre-vet

[visual badge]

well mine is practically same

again, dont take GBITF but CAB

the toughness boost in weapon specialist tree is okay if you need it

krak is always a decent choice

but you do lack horde clear with DS and Revolver

middle top tree is okay I suppose

[vernal trench]

Yea

[visual badge]

stamina is not bad, the two perks are fine

honestly krak is overkill with DS

you can 2-3 shot crushers

[light ridge]

There fixed, now maybe I'll get more than 13 subscribers of which half are just rl friends who never actual watch my vids

[visual remnant]

Wut

[visual badge]

field improv is okay

maybe not worth the point but I mean

I am biased

[vernal trench]

Defo not

[visual badge]

eh Im biased

I like taking it sometimes

[vernal trench]

Well ig it depends what u play

[visual remnant]

There's a lot of that just in general w this game

[vernal trench]

Its okay in aurics or whatever

[tropic pendant]

sidenote: been rolling revolvers
is the 1% diff really signifcatn

[vernal trench]

Yea

[visual remnant]

Idk why

[visual badge]

nah not really

[tropic halo]

unplayable

[visual badge]

you can use that just fine

[vernal trench]

People are always like that

[visual badge]

you dont have to minmax really

[tropic halo]

bros think they are the main character

[vernal trench]

Fr

[visual remnant]

Fr [2]

[vernal trench]

The actual good players often go unnoticed

[tropic halo]

If I go down and die, I will be happy I served the emperor

[light ridge]

The Internet does that to people
Controversy increases views or something

[visual badge]

minmaxing is good for hititng breakpoints

I personally dont care for breakpoints

[vernal trench]

My 61% mobility boltgun

[queen fox]

Yeah lmao how could they be the main character, I'm literally thr protag here

[tropic pendant]

also just wanted to know the reasoning behind the DS blessings?

[visual badge]

minmax is something you do later when you have a lot levelled up

[atomic void]

having a big ego over video game is the funniest shit ever
not taking away from the skills needed to be good but its fucking entertainment bro relax and pull that stick outta your ass

[vernal trench]

Honestly i wouldnt put maniacs

Id put carapace and unyeilding/elite

[visual badge]

having maniacs lets you hit them consistently

and I think carapace + unyielding is overkill

[vernal trench]

Shoot them

[visual badge]

you cant always shoot them up close with chaff

you can realiably one hit kill them

[vernal trench]

but hes runnig revolver i forgot

[visual badge]

I'd rather use ammo for ranged specialists or gunners

DS is good with dealing against maniacs

[vernal trench]

Oh yea he doesnt have yncanny

[tropic pendant]

why uncanny and riposte?

[visual remnant]

DS like, dueling sword ?

Uncanny because it's broken

[visual badge]

uncanny is just good

and riposte is decent pick

[vernal trench]

Uncanny and thrust u can 1 tap maniacs reliably

[visual badge]

you can also take agile

not fan of thrust, I don't really charge up attacks

[visual remnant]

It makes the ADM on armor nil for the toughest enemies

[visual badge]

but with DS it's a decent pick

[visual remnant]

So you deal more damage to them without armor getting in the way

[vernal trench]

Agile makes people crutch on them

And its not a good thing

[visual remnant]

The DS is a finesse wpn; eg it does more crit damage and weakspot damage than non finesse weapons

So you lean into crit to guarantee the highest damage possible per swing or thrust

[crisp oak]

I sorta just dont use ds on vet

[visual remnant]

And uncanny reduces armor significantly

[vernal trench]

I hope it gets nerfed lmao

Tired of seeing toothpick users every game

[visual remnant]

This, w the right talent set up, lets you two shot crushers

[visual badge]

combat axe is just better overall usage

rashad can do anything basically

DS specializes in single targets

[vernal trench]

Slow

[visual badge]

slow but powerful

[vernal trench]

Only drawback

U run so slow

[visual badge]

if youre going weapon specialist

you're going to take trench drill

[light ridge]

Die as fast as any other FOTM player in any other game

[vernal trench]

Thats attack speed

Not movement speed

[visual remnant]

Rashad lets u guys two shot crushers w the standard wpn spc talent set up

[visual badge]

I mean do you care about running fast as vet lol

[tropic pendant]

would the rashad work well with the revo?

[visual remnant]

[visual badge]

youd take knife

revolver is good at picking enemies

[visual remnant]

Rashad works well with everything

[visual badge]

its good for melee builds

[visual remnant]

Rashad, especially on vet, does like

[visual badge]

rashad is always a reliable choice really

[visual remnant]

Every job

[vernal trench]

Rasahd is fun

Powersword too

I like powersword more

[visual remnant]

It's good against armor, it melts hordes, and does good unyielding damage

[visual badge]

power sword is only good when you activate it

it's good, not a fan

[vernal trench]

Yea

Its a niche thing

[light ridge]

Chainsword, shovel, shock maul

[tall torrent]

Who’s asking questions here

[tropic halo]

I been having ton of fun with the Psword

[visual remnant]

Revo, at least on zeal, is an elite killing too/non ogryn elite killing tool

[visual badge]

here comes the master

[tropic halo]

I would not mind if they rework on the Psword to have a heat gauge similar from the relic blade

[visual remnant]

W a rashad it feels kinda redundant