veteran-class

[faint beacon]

I dont know if having your flashlight on counts

[steep flower]

[faint beacon]

4 different enemies iirc

cause they have to be kills

[supple laurel]

be funny as hell if it did but i doubt it

[faint beacon]

and kills will refresh

[faint beacon]

See the thing is I got mine by literally just ADSing and firing

so istfg I feel like Flashlight might be able to cheese it

[steep flower]

It states ‚hits’ not ‚kills’

[faint beacon]

dont trust me on that

@supple laurel Actually shit

they changed how Exec works now where melee can proc it

what you can do

thereotically

is use the Helbore Bayo

and just poke heads

[supple laurel]

oh i hate the helbore ngl

[faint beacon]

Helbore does pair really well with Exec

so technically if you want to risk it go for it

[supple laurel]

yeah but i hate the mchanics of charged weapons

[trim steppe]

I'm also a never-helbore player

[tall torrent]

O4B gives u better habits

[supple laurel]

ill try with slug shotgun first

[faint beacon]

I’d say try slugs first and then I’m trying to think of other weapons you could try to get it with

[faint beacon]

Okay so you can cheese it with the ILAGs

Just click heads 4 times with flashlight on and you’re done

[keen sage]

Which chain sword is better

Witch mark

[faint beacon]

I guess it really depends on how you want to horde clear cause both are kinda okayish

Light or heavies basically

[tall torrent]

Secondary action is ADS
You’re just missing headshots

[keen sage]

I just want hored clear

[faint beacon]

Mk13g Wrath + Shred

Spam lights, horde go bye bye

[supple laurel]

nvm just got it

[supple laurel]

easy shit ty

always been a voc nerd so

[keen sage]

Anyone else got a build

[sturdy karma]

You want a chainsword build?

[keen sage]

Yea

[sturdy karma]

Standard weapon spec build with the mk13g will be good

Spam lights all day long

[keen sage]

Ight no specific perks

[sturdy karma]

Rampage/shred/blood letter all work well

[keen sage]

Igjt

Ight

[sturdy karma]

Chainsword has pretty good finesse scaling

[keen sage]

lol

[sturdy karma]

I’ll knock something up quickly for what I’d run

What ranged weapon?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e20fb52-31fe-4778-8e4d-7323289e0db2/rando-chainsword

There’s some fun run and gun

Drop demo team on lower difficulty for any of the reload nodes like ranged specialist or tactical reload

[keen sage]

Bolt pistol

[sturdy karma]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dc73144-0269-4116-a2c3-7a1d8d871ffb/niks-commisar-support

[sturdy karma]

This is my bolt pistol build for aurics. It’s not great in melee but it’s mainly for support and picking off specials

[keen sage]

Ight

[sturdy karma]

Surgical and focus target gets very good breakpoints on the bolt pistol you can 1 tap headshot a reaper

[keen sage]

Oh lit

[sturdy karma]

You have the team swimming in toughness check the defence score at end of game everyone should be taking bugger all damage. Born leader will proc and give toughness to your teammates even when you are at full toughness

[tall torrent]

would recommend wrath over bloodletter on mk13g chainsword due to its light attacks' low cleave

[sturdy karma]

So you are constantly drip feeding them toughness topping them off. On power DI when I checked I think born leader had procced like 18k of toughness over the course of a game but I’m not sure how accurate power di records it

[sturdy karma]

Yeah chainsword has pretty sick blessing pool it’s pretty interchangeable

[tall torrent]

also probably swap volley adept for tac reload, and save 1 point from longshot into demo team

longshot is abysmally bad

[sturdy karma]

Ah yeah on my latest version of the build I dropped the 5% critical for demo team. I had listed some notes at the bottom of the build

[tall torrent]

this is a fairly standard entry level build for veteran (auric & below)

[shrewd nova]

@tall torrent Do you think you can substitute bolt pistol in for revolver with that melee build that you just posted?

[tall torrent]

it's made for revolver
boltpistol is just revolver 0.8 (outside of havoc)

the only way boltpistol actually competes with revolver in strength is lethal prox frag build

revolver does better in pretty much everything that matters

[shrewd nova]

Lol, revolver has been so strong for what feels like such a long time

[faint beacon]

try using chainswords again only to get quickly reminded

people cannot defend themselves against carapace for the fucking lives of them

[solar monolith]

why are chainsword movesets so ass

[faint beacon]

so back to using weapons that can kill carapace

[shrewd nova]

Yah, I've noticed that most players just struggle so much with crushers/maulers/etc. You gotta be able to handle them

[faint beacon]

veteran yet again being stuck with the 3-4 viable melees

horrifically bleak

[pure kindle]

Bloodletting on Chainsword, EZ.

Yeah, just double checked: Chainswords, Chaxes, Shovels, and Shock Mauls still delete carapace like nothin' on my melee-negligent ES build.

Beloved heavy sword/tacaxe/dclaw stay plinking.

[faint beacon]

see the issue is you trade really good horde clear for that

[pure kindle]

I still get plenty of hordeclear 🤷‍♀️

[wild vortex]

Dump stat damage

[pure kindle]

You don't really notice it when you're just swatting hordes and it doesn't do much for the special.

[wild vortex]

Wild take

[austere mica]

I am going to fight you

[visual remnant]

What the glorp..

[hollow ibex]

use this against the 20 bruiser trial in the psykanium and let us know how long it takes lol

[austere mica]

(90 fucking years, it’s a mk4)

[wild vortex]

Sub 10 seconds probably, they'd just die

[pure kindle]

What do y'all want me to do: Max damage so that Ragers die to one special instead of one special, or that I save a hit on some chaff that spawns in packs of 50?

[hollow ibex]

this is what i'd expect

[visual remnant]

Replace BL w Wrath and swap to 13g

[wild vortex]

It's okay to be wrong, it's funny as hell to defend it

[austere mica]

It already has wrath

[visual remnant]

This is what i want

[austere mica]

Shred

[visual remnant]

4 crimas

[austere mica]

Shred wrath

[visual remnant]

Oh srry yah

Shred

My meowlatonin is kickin in

[austere mica]

Shred wrath mk13 is a crime

[visual remnant]

Shrath ..

[pure kindle]

Thanks for reminding me to take mine.

[austere mica]

I left click and get higher then relic blade numbers

[visual remnant]

Then u hit armor and it's like hitting a baseball w a softball bat

[austere mica]

Yeah

But we politely ignore that

[pure kindle]

(That's what Bloodletting is for)

[austere mica]

It’s like, barely sub tac axe armor wise

[visual remnant]

No u just aim at the weak point on said enemy

Me lookin at the floor cuz im shy of the cute mauler (im choppin away at his armor)

[austere mica]

It literally doesn’t do shit 14 stacks is nothing against carapace

[visual remnant]

Yah armor takes different bleed damage per tick

Tic ?

Toc

[pure kindle]

Works just fine on Maulers, Crushers, and Monstrosities.

[austere mica]

373 total damage

[tall torrent]

Bloodletter is nice for mauler and rager (mainly mauler)

[visual remnant]

LMFAO jesus

RLLY ?

[austere mica]

If all 14 stacks run down

[visual remnant]

373 is stubbed toe for crusher

Heh ,, didnt feel it ,,

[austere mica]

373 is a crit light attack

[visual remnant]

Only recently did i hear a crusher armor deflection voice line that wasnt cut off by a swing grunt

[austere mica]

Bloodletter hits such niche breakpoints on a borderline disincentivized mechanic it’s basically worthless

[visual remnant]

U can lead a snoy 2 gloop but u cant make it joob cannon ,,

Ur effortz r valiant ,,

[austere mica]

We live in an unfortunate timeline where my dumb ass takes 30 seconds to spell disincentivized

And misses the entire conversation

[visual remnant]

Noob noob

[austere mica]

Yeah basically

[wild vortex]

But if I have to rev to kill each of the pack of 6-8 ragers it's kinda game over isn't it

Especially with 20% less damage than ideal

[austere mica]

But if I have to rev to kill each of the pack of 6-8 ragers it's kinda game over isn't it

[wild vortex]

[tall torrent]

it just makes it more flexible
ur stagger would be dependent on other tools like grenade / VoC

[pure kindle]

Yeah, I typically run a generalist/redundant kit so that how one ranged/melee/blitz slot performs doesn't screw the entire run over.

||And try to find a convincing reason not to take the shovel every time, lol.||

[jaunty tinsel]

someone in this chat recommended Onslaught to me

and it was like a caveman being shown fire

https://tenor.com/b85lP8XUYMs.gif

[hollow ibex]

unfortunately onslaught's bait

[jaunty tinsel]

im pwning like never before

there isnt anything that doesnt melt before my recon firepower

[hollow ibex]

jebaited

[jaunty tinsel]

crushers on havoc go down like they were yesteryear's ragers

i confuse maulers for normal scrubs they all die so fast

even bosses go down in like i did on joe mama last night

[uncut pebble]

What clearance?

[hollow ibex]

h40 with pus hardened obviously bro

[jaunty tinsel]

this guy's gf got banged by onslaught

[jaunty tinsel]

20 pus

[uncut pebble]

You're in heresy scaling rn, you havent even hit the 1.5x hp that h40 brings.

Onslaught will fall off and your ammo econ wont be able to keep up soon.

[jaunty tinsel]

makes sense

though i do combo with rending

or whatever that 10% node is

[vernal trench]

Havoc 20 is literally barely scratching the difficulty iceburg

[vernal trench]

Knife, caxe, ds, powersword, what else is there

[tall torrent]

Veteran has 4.5 good melee weapons

The 0.5 is heavy sword IX

No carapace damage but kills everything else pretty well

[vernal trench]

Why is it heavy but bad

[tall torrent]

It’s a zero point cost melee that doesn’t have horrendous dodge like power sword and handles horde clear well

I run it with exe boltgun

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[vernal trench]

Powersword dodges are so bad

[faint beacon]

Heavy Sword kinda forces you into an Anti Carapace Blitz OR Gun

hence why its .5

its not super flexible like the other options

the more I realize this

the more I realize Vet needs a new melee more than a gun lmao

[tall torrent]

a longlas would be cool for anti-carapace

but veteran really need more good melee weapons

tac axe is so close

[faint beacon]

Cole is pushing for a Taxe buff

Maybe one day 🚬

I’m just getting horrendously bored of our limited good melee options

[grand perch]

With taxe buff I'll need to find another lackluster but fun melee to simp for

[vernal trench]

Use shockmaul

[faint beacon]

Shovel cause it borderlines on perfection but is held back by the most minor things

Mainly unyielding damage

[last pewter]

question, does Charismatic work with Born Leader?

[grand perch]

I would think so but no idea really

[narrow frost]

Pins?

I think path talks about it

[faint beacon]

I recall Path clarifying it’s only your Aura (Survivalist, Fire Team, etc)

Sadly not coherency and the area effected by your group toughness regen talents etc

It’s why Charismatic is usually heavily avoided in a lot of builds

[last pewter]

yeahh thats what I was thinking

suppose no one tested it yet, I might have to

or rather suppose its best I test it for myself

[raven crest]

I don't understand how the weapon levels work, I have a Bolter that says it does 110 damage but it is gray and then a rifle that does 100 damage and is green

and the damage he says actually does much less

[dawn garnet]

weapons have different damages that are effected by the stats on them but only have a set maximum you can check it by inspecting a weapon then hovering over a stat

[wheat stratus]

there is the base stat aka damage and then there is how many mods are on a weapon, the color upgrade only effect number of mods

[dawn garnet]

wait this isnt general

[wheat stratus]

you want stats to go up you have to "empower" it

[warm bolt]

To empower a weapon you need to have it's mastery unlocked that allows it to get higher power rating

[raven crest]

wait I have to use google translate to understand this xD

[raven crest]

Another question, one of the teachers says that if it impacts weak points, I make more efforts, but what are those points? because once in combat there is too much Chaos to stop me from seeing each enemy

[warm bolt]

Weakpoints are usually the head

Beast of nurgle has it's point on the back

[raven crest]

I meant mastery

[warm bolt]

Oh

I dont think there is a way to increase the amount of mastery points you gain that isnt just kill more stuff or sacrifice the type of weapon you want to improve the mastery of

[raven crest]

aaa ok thank you very much for explaining this I'm quite new

I'm very new

damn translator

[warm bolt]

No problem lol

Although i'd ask more experienced people or check the pins

[raven crest]

Ok

[uncut pebble]

Killing things doesnt grant mastery, it's just xp for the weapon based on mission clears or sacrificing weapons.

[solar monolith]

hmmm would y'all recommend
uncanny + skullcrusher or decimator + skullcrusher for mk1 shovel

[warm bolt]

Oh the more you know

[rustic beacon]

Uncanny+decimator

[uncut pebble]

I use uncanny skullcrusher with shredders and voc just as a way of removing something that is stopping me from shooting. If you're gonna use it as your main weapon you might want to use deci over skullcrusher.

[solar monolith]

fair

i'll give em a shot

[tropic halo]

We all chillin here

[oblique totem]

Me and the boys

[topaz kettle]

Is it normal for lvl 3 missions to throw at you 3 plauge ogryns

and like

5 crushers

every 5 mins

?

[half path]

1 power fist please

[rustic beacon]

Was the modifier „brute conscripts“?

[oblique totem]

Dual melee weapons when?

[tropic halo]

You playing on the ogryn event modifier

[topaz kettle]

I dont even know how to check those modifiers

😭

im pretty new

[light ridge]

Didn't know Brute Conscripts was active below Damnation?

[rustic beacon]

When you select the mission the presence of a modifier is indicated by a yellow marker. If you hover over the mission it will tell you what the modifier does

[rustic beacon]

Not sure if is either

[topaz kettle]

Kay

thx

[normal bay]

For Brute conscripts, yes lol

All Ogryns

All the time

[tropic halo]

Poor new players gonna have a big struggle with the event modifier

Spamming ogryns all the time

[normal bay]

Motivated me to grind the bolter to level 20 lol

[topaz kettle]

i mean i noticed

E + heavy attack on the chain axe is really effective

i killed a crusher using it

he dies

i say

"I can 1v1 a crusher now! 😄 "

I turn around

[pallid jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-tf2-spy-tf2-correct-spy-tf2-correct-gif-15580627066749528135

[topaz kettle]

I see fifteen other crushers

[tropic halo]

Now do with 8 ogryns on you

[topaz kettle]

yeah exactly

like

what the hell was that 😭

good thing my "build" is all damage

(i cant even call it a build, i put skill points in legit anything)

i just do whatever

boltgun + chainaxe is pretty good

so

yer

[stoic thorn]

OH MY GOODNESS

IVE FOUND MY HOME

[warm bolt]

[languid estuary]

i'm never going to find a decent plasma rifle in the store man

it's been months, what is this

about to just drop half a mil rolling one

has helbore gotten any (positive) changes lately

[void dragon]

So far seems like people are considering the boltgun as the real sniper gun, the terrible iron sights doesn't help the case that it's a melee weapon with a gun attached (my experience is that it can do work, but doesn't input as much numbers as other guns

(take that with a grain of salt, I'm a terrible sniper, so if I can do with it surely you can do better)

[unreal nova]

That's plasma gambling. The worst of them all.

[void dragon]

Time to burn all the money gambling that perfect stat weapon, can't really relate, not at all NO sir!

[rustic beacon]

I got so lucky with mine. Didn‘t even have to spend 200k 😌

[warm bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/gamblecore-stickman-casino-gamble-gif-7118676210396292522

[supple laurel]

I HATE BULWARKS

i dont even struggle man

theyre just SO ANNOYING WITH THERE SHIELD

like bitch MOVE 😭

[tropic halo]

I do like them as enemies but the way they behave is annoying at times

Always behind shield

[languid estuary]

the way that they will just walk through you is very irritating tbh

[tropic halo]

So i am forced to wait until they are open as they are about to swing

[supple laurel]

they need to make it so the shield has durability or make it so more guns punched through em

[tropic halo]

I only ever use the bolter to spam just to stagger them when theres several of them because i cant be bothered lol

[rustic beacon]

Idk, they can be opened up by quite a few things like shredders, bolter and shout. Plasma ignores the shield. I think they are annoying, but considering it‘s intended, they are fine imo

[supple laurel]

ive learned voc helps if youre quick enough

[tropic halo]

Yeah it does

[supple laurel]

fus ro dah them mfs 🗣️

[tropic halo]

Though if I remember bulwarks have a stagger cooldown

Or was the crushers i cant remember

[austere fog]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[tropic halo]

The lack of cloth physics on the squad leader torso makes me sad, FS pls update it i love my silly cloth physics

[warm bolt]

Nah you just punch through the cloth with your sheer force of will

[tropic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/goedulf-barrel-explosion-flying-rocket-launch-gif-4036057764296512193

[void dragon]

Honestly it's so ridiculous that I keep nades specifically when a wall of bulwarks appears, other enemies aren that troublesome (runned Gunker feeling invincible untill an army of those came and I started like "oh HELL no!")

Question: is the Power sword the best can opener weapon the class has? Other weapons feel that have some degree of struggle with it
Also what's the heavy blade special supposed to do?

[rustic beacon]

Best can opener for the human classes is ds4. But power sword is also really good at it

[void dragon]

I have come to the point that I no longer consider the toothpick a real weapon, feels like cheat code

(I'm not kidding, I forgot it existed)

[rustic beacon]

Won‘t argue with that. It‘s also been ages since I used it last

[void dragon]

Devil's claw feels weird, like it should be hard hitting but kinda slow on heavy attacks so the parry would cover that window in defense but it's swings doesn't feel that strong, am I missing something?

[tall torrent]

knife, power sword, DS, combat axe

chainaxe
shovel

[languid estuary]

i only bring it on brute conscripts to make up for the party members that bring nothing to kill armor, otherwise yea

[tall torrent]

heavy swords' special atk chains into heavy1 faster than heavy spam does

it also has some stagger (can stagger ragers out of their combo)

has much higher flak dmg than unarmored

[languid estuary]

ngl i'm quickly becoming a shock maul cultist

[void dragon]

Knife being a can opener feels so wrong for some reason, thanks for the answer mate.

[tall torrent]

shock maul also has ok carapace dmg (3~4 hits vs crusher)

[void dragon]

That sounds like the combat axe for me (have to figure why it feels just ok when people say is that good)

[tall torrent]

axe is normally 3~4 but can be built for 3 hit consistently
axe also has one major upside of being able to stagger crusher & mauler out of their overhead atks with its heavy atk

so it not only gets to kill them well it's also fairly safe against them

it's also by far the strongest horde clear available to veteran, even better than power sword

it can handle groups of ragers

[void dragon]

So it's that its heavys have good stagger, I don't think I noticed since I always dodge away from the iron wall of crushers

[tall torrent]

has very high crit-weakspot total dmg vs unyielding so building crit = better vs bulwark & monster

[tall torrent]

https://youtu.be/CZZs43IRlJQ

[visual badge]

if youre not good with stamina and dodging like I am, often than not I find myself getting fucked by enemies and bursters by not being able to shove

it's really good at interrupting if possible

[void dragon]

Weird flex but ok

[tall torrent]

I also did mk7 shovel vs 20 scab bruiser trials last night and it's pretty slow

https://youtu.be/hikKbkDOjvw

with melee talent spec it's ~20s and a lot safer

but it's not axe tier

[void dragon]

I tend to dodge just to a side so I can hit the staggered ones for skullcrusher damage bonus with shovel, but I guess it is safer that way

[tropic halo]

Why rely on DS when psword is still as fun and viable

[void dragon]

What blessings are you running with that shovel mate?

[tropic halo]

My annoying part with Psword when empowered is when enemies hit you it just cancels it so another click for the special

[tall torrent]

Uncanny + thrust

With Decimator it would be a bit easier (can cleave 1 extra bruiser with less effort) but it wouldn’t make a world of difference

Shovel’s heavy atk is also not so high stagger that it keeps enemies staggered long enough for high skullcrusher value

[void dragon]

I run it with decimator and skullcrusher, since it seems to stagger most enemies short of a mauler with ease

[tall torrent]

Uncanny strike is the single highest damage increase available to it unfortunately

[void dragon]

You tested it? I assume it doesn't feel as good as that blessing combo

[tall torrent]

Skullcrusher’s damage bonus only applies while enemies are in a staggered state

Shovel is not so high stagger that it puts most enemies into heavy staggered state (grounded)

It’s not a crusher

[void dragon]

Sure, but I felt that is enough to make use of it, specially when other stuff is going on like nades or shout are in the mix

[void dragon]

Honestly, have to use more that weapon feels so good

[tall torrent]

Yea, shovel needs other tools in play to make the most of skullcrusher

A bit unfortunate

Even mk1’s special poke is not super high stagger either, it’s just enough to interrupt atks

[void dragon]

The stagger last enough to chain heavy specials on crushers or slap > hSpecial a rager, but it is indeed quite short
But somehow I feel that's not a drawback on the blessing if many core aspects of vet enable it

[uncut pebble]

Is an interrupt not enough stagger to apply skullcrusher stacks though?

[void dragon]

It is enough, but the window of effect is smal, not enough to not be usable, but is hard

[tall torrent]

Skullcrusher’s +damage bonus only works while the enemy is in a staggered state, so the heavier stagger u can do the more reliable it is

[void dragon]

How hard is to try keeping your ground with it and slapping enemies just dodging to the sides instead of away?

[uncut pebble]

This is why fatshark fears giving zealout shovels. We have grievous wounds.

[void dragon]

That's why ogryn make good use of it

[uncut pebble]

50% more stagger on mk1 shovel poke potentially could make a crusher backpedal on headshot.

[tall torrent]

Nah

It’s not how stagger works

[uncut pebble]

Interesting. I would have thought 50% more stagger would've made skullcrusher more viable/easily accessible.

[faint beacon]

I’m ngl playing Wrath + Shred + Recip Talent Mk13g was incredibly fun

Till anything with carapace showed up

Day ruined

[tall torrent]

U can already experience what +50% stagger feels like for mk1 shovel with hammerblow at 2 stacks

[tall torrent]

Mk1’s poke works by ignoring stagger reduction and having just enough stagger to put enemies into light-staggered-state

50% more would maybe put it into medium-staggered-state?

But nowhere close to heavy stagger

Plus, shovel had pretty bad finesse scaling across the board

[faint beacon]

I would’ve said thunder strike but I assume it’s not enough either

[dense lance]

Has anyone noticed how op slab shield is?

Specifically its m5 special

[faint beacon]

Well I mean it’s a frame 1 damage nullifying move that Shuts down a lot of moves unless it’s a disabler

[dense lance]

It shuts down all your moves and anything you do

[tall torrent]

Thunderstrike exists to further stagger if the enemy is already staggered

[dense lance]

But nullifies literally anything

[dense lance]

This is even better with attention seeker talent

[tall torrent]

Its application is generally niche

[dense lance]

Cause your team doesnt have to worry about it

btw i just realized im in veteran class, woops!

[void dragon]

"ogryn moment"

[dense lance]

[grand perch]

i took the mk IV helbore on a spin in havoc40 gloriana, with a glasscannon build. went pretty well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF7nbK2mI9g

[void dragon]

What build? I'm still trying to make good use of that weapon family

[unreal nova]

To be fair, vet mains be like the Math nerds, so all the formulas and such. Is why I mostly gremlin in psyker mains heh.

[dense lance]

[last marten]

does cleave just make it pierce?

[grand perch]

well, yes, except against carapace, which has a unique cleaving stopping property

but hotshot actually applies to your melee as well, which is the real reason to take it

[void dragon]

So it makes bayonet even stronger?

[warm bolt]

Wait it does?

[void dragon]

[bayonet charge intensifies]

[tall torrent]

Bayonet is not made for >1 target (really bad cleave damage)

[grand perch]

yop. notice how the hotshot icon is active even when melee is out

[terse idol]

Hotshot when its only is good for a few melee weapons

[tall torrent]

Second target damage is like 10% of first target damage for bayonet stab

[warm bolt]

[void dragon]

But it bounces on caparace, this doesn't fix that?

[terse idol]

You can't just put it on every melee weapon and have it work

[tall torrent]

No. Carapace has an end-cleave-on-contact property

[grand perch]

and that is mk IV helbore anyway with trash bayonet

[void dragon]

So it remains active when swapping weapons? Didn't knew that could happen

[terse idol]

Yah

[grand perch]

such is the way of the overweight megalodon

[void dragon]

Obesefish galaxy brain cant be comprehended

[warm bolt]

I kinda dig these unexpected synergies though ngl

Like the grenadier build that i cant make work cause im stoopid and this

[void dragon]

It's the kind of stuff they should keep from time to time

[hollow ibex]

yeah tbh i wouldn't even say the synergy is particularly strong

but it's fun

[warm bolt]

Btw, is there a build for the funny bistol+shredder combo pinned somewhere?

[supple laurel]

i went from duelling saber to combat axe and chainsword

[unreal nova]

You want mine?

[supple laurel]

ima try out the powersword sometime soon

[warm bolt]

Yeah sure

[void dragon]

I have worked my way onto becoming a shovel, pSword and rashad enjoryer in my quest of moving away from the DS menace, trying to figure heavy blades

[unreal nova]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9defd2a3-58b3-47de-9d5f-68902fd3411a/boomies

[supple laurel]

i use sapper occasionally

[unreal nova]

Collateral dump is fine on BPistol.

I'm just lazy to reroll.

[void dragon]

Wait so the optimal nade build uses the Bistol?

[unreal nova]

Also, yes, the build will go poof, I'm lazy to make an acct reeee.

Yes.

It makes your boomy bigger.

[void dragon]

Noice

[unreal nova]

Clips more things with bleed.

[void dragon]

Time to make an update

[tall torrent]

Yes because lethal prox is only for this gun

[uncut pebble]

We've saved him. 🙏

[hollow ibex]

man when are they going to fix the equipment bug. shit's so annoying.

[supple laurel]

ill still run duelling saber occasionally because i used it because duelling saber is cool but i wont main it anymore

[void dragon]

Have a gun like this for a stealth Chaxe build (mobility dump because I'm dumb) will give it a good use here

[warm bolt]

Thanks a lot

[uncut pebble]

It's fine to run it every now and then. The main issue was that you were crutching on it, but you're doing better now that you're playing with caxe and shovel.

[void dragon]

Honestly feel that weapon makes me play worse, end up relying too much on it's OP-ness

[supple laurel]

i crutched on it because i didnt know any other good builds capable of effectively dealing with what the saber can deal with, not because its meta

[tall torrent]

Combat axe also gives u bad habits but it’s generally not as bad

The #1 bad habit of playing combat axe is assuming u can kill everything before they can kill u

Which sometimes leads to unsound tactics

[supple laurel]

given my more defensive playstyle that wont really become a bad habit of mine

i never crutched on the DS because of its OPness

[tawny ledge]

What's the best blessings for plasma gun?
All the guides on YouTube are ancient

[tall torrent]

Unarmored + flak

There’re 2 ways to go about blessings
Option 1 is rising heat + gets hot, very generalist and consistent

Option 2 (blaze away + optimized cooling) has more talent dependencies for 1 tap breakpoints but deals more damage when magdumping vs elite horde / boss

[unreal nova]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e21fbd7-c703-4fcf-845c-26b1540095b9/boomies-2

[tawny ledge]

Thanks

[unreal nova]

I hate how you can't claim your old build and yes, I made an acct so I can just stash it.

[hollow ibex]

Tried out power sword mk3

Yikes

Even worse than I remember

[tawny ledge]

I need to try out vets other melees
Love me chain axe too much

[hollow ibex]

Charging takes forever and you can't even block cancel

[unreal nova]

Oh and uhh, melee weapon is whatever you like. i just like knoife. Anything that works with WS is fine.

[tall torrent]

Rashad 24/7 for 1200 hours, it’ll clear ur mind

Then u start assuming u can kill ur way out of every problem the game throws at u

[hollow ibex]

Rashad almost can tbf

Almost

[tall torrent]

It can

Outside of havoc

[hollow ibex]

You just have to remember to push and push attack

[tall torrent]

Rashad doesn’t need to specifically push, u should almost always go for PA

It doesn’t have push related combos (that differ from PA)

[hollow ibex]

Does PA stagger thicc hordes though?

[tall torrent]

Yea, 8-10 cleave

[languid estuary]

where did tinyangrycrab go

[hollow ibex]

Isn't that like 4 bruisers 🤔

[hearty panther]

three and a fifth

or something like that

crab's been gone sadly

[austere pine]

is there a place where the hitmasses of enemies are written?

[tropic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-star-wars-emperor-palpatine-palpatine-gif-799657800635657398

[austere pine]

kinda wanna explain hitmass and cleave to a friend

[tropic halo]

It fun

[tall torrent]

Yea
My guide

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[austere pine]

tanks!

[void dragon]

Can someone explain me how rending is supposed to work? And what does it do for flak armoured enemies?

[hollow ibex]

It's explained in the guide

IIRC it increases adms

[void dragon]

So it affects all armour the same way? That's what I don't get because I was under the impression it affects each armour type differently

[uncut pebble]

TLDR, rending is an increase to your ADM's, which is a number your damage is multiplied by. For example, let's say your weapon has a .2 carapace ADM, you will only deal 20% damage to carapace bits with that weapon. Rending is a flat increase to that number. Uncanny strike is 124% rending at max stacks, so you're looking at full damage, plus .5% per 1% of rending overflow.

I think that's the math for overflow rending = damage, at least.

[errant carbon]

It works the same way for all armor types (except Unarmored and Infested, where it just doesn't do anything) but as every weapon has its own set of ADMs it will technically affect each armor type differently (as in provide a different % bonus) in the end.

[supple laurel]

use melee to hit enemy, enemy take less hits to kill

its as shrimple as that

[errant carbon]

Also I think it's now +0.25% bonus damage per 1% Rending overflow

[void dragon]

The guide says 1/4 effectiveness overflow so I assume that's the case

[supple laurel]

numbers blehhhh

hit enemy, less hits to kill

[hollow ibex]

Ogryn level intellect

[void dragon]

When punch to the face is good enough, everything else is overthinking

[errant carbon]

punch to the face was too good, it got nerfed

[void dragon]

Because it strongest, see? I rest case sah

[terse idol]

I wiiilll also say it depends on the weap9n

Like, taking the rending talent on a weapon with low damage vs carapac

It just ain't gonna do any much of anything

[supple laurel]

exactlyyyyy

[void dragon]

surgucal is no longer that good with bistol?

i think i saw videos with people suggesting it as a blessing for an anti elite swap gun

[last marten]

bistol lovers in chat? 😹🫄

yes i use frags

[hollow ibex]

It was never great

[terse idol]

Its okie

[void dragon]

dumb ole me using it and thinking its good

[orchid hemlock]

Fatshark, let me emote after I take down a POGRYN and my life is yours

https://youtube.com/shorts/xWD1wY5sF8c?si=eAhJkVsLJOgrNSfY

[terse idol]

But like most folks with bistol just play Lethal prox

And puncture

[grand perch]

no

[hollow ibex]

Exactly

[terse idol]

Imo if you're playing surgical on any bolter play it on the bolt gun

[supple laurel]

[hollow ibex]

Bistol gets the bad surgical

[orchid hemlock]

That's too much power

[supple laurel]

the moment i fell off the edge was the moment we were fucked because i couldnt deal with ranged enemies

[void dragon]

a tragedy of events hidden on a comedy of unfortunate mistakes

[supple laurel]

dude game losses like these are so fucking hilarious

especially at the start of the mission

[terse idol]

The framing

[orchid hemlock]

oh sorry wrong chat mb guys

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[void dragon]

I usually run it with pinning fire and bleed, surgical seems unnecesary because of how easy is to one tap enemies

[supple laurel]

yeah i didnt know another burster was gonna appear at the end of the clip. i just clipped it at perfect timing to get a frame end like that LMAO

comedy in disguise

[supple laurel]

exactly LOL

dude im still laughing from it

this game really cracks me up sometimes

[void dragon]

when things go bad they do it in spectacular ways

love it

[supple laurel]

fr

9/10 immediate fails are just comedy gold

[tropic halo]

Why is that you and your team always have such terrible luck of beating this section of glorianna LOL

[supple laurel]

idk LOL but its so funny everytime

[tropic halo]

Was it havoc or just auic btw?

[visual remnant]

Yah that's like

One of three filter spots

That part, the gizmo event, then the part where the tram opens

[void dragon]

gravity is the added boss on that zone, and he is a killer

[tropic halo]

"Me when i fucking get you"

[tropic halo]

[supple laurel]

hi intensity damnation

[tropic halo]

Hi intensity damnation, I am gears /j

Though pretty funny how everyone went down one by one in the clip

[burnt vortex]

Shoutout to the smoke grenade vet in my game last night. Didn't realize how effective those things were at stopping gunners.

[hollow ibex]

Good in havoc

Bad outside of it

[grand perch]

arguably "bad" in havoc cause shredder cc is invaluable

[hollow ibex]

It's an acceptable standin for a bubble psyker

But psyker can do everything

[tame lodge]

[faint beacon]

Watching them just not deal with the sniper at all just makes me think yeah this is 100% deserved LMAO

[hearty panther]

smokes are good

honestly i know people want to see some pretty wildin buffs for them but i think all they really need (especially noticable at havoc) is their fuse timer to be impact-based

the three or so seconds it takes for that smoke to pop is more than enough time for shooters to have already wasted most of your team

[hollow ibex]

That'd be pretty amazing

The smoke delay is fucking stupid

[tall torrent]

Give smoke more stagger

And make enemies inside smoke have lower stagger reduction

[hollow ibex]

Give smoke the nurgle buff, except for rejects

[hearty panther]

yea like again there's stuff you can tack on to make them stronger but

just improving them at their current intended role seems a good start

also why is the zealot flame grenade the one with the absolute fastest pull and throw time??

that shit is lightning quick compared to every other throwable

[hollow ibex]

So you can make all your teammates jump in fright extra fast until they realize that it's a friendly nade

[faint beacon]

I think what could be nice also is

If smokes are thrown on enemies it soft staggers them outside of Monstros

[tall torrent]

Nah it needs to be worth fighting inside smoke

Melee enemies can still push u outside of smoke very easily for gunners to beam u

The smoke cloud radius itself can use a buff, and it probably deserves to reduce enemies’ stagger reduction a good amount

[hearty panther]

and yea could stand to be larger

[winter sluice]

poison gas cloud smoke, or make it so it drugs you, maybe it gives a random battlestim effect for like 10 seconds one time per smoke usages

[hearty panther]

to me though its the fuse delay that annoys me

[hollow ibex]

Yeah that's a huge one for me

[wanton dawn]

4 vet comp can benefit from smoke in havoc

Might have been the missing piece. Need to tell az about it

[tall torrent]

Yea

[tall torrent]

He already knows

[wanton dawn]

Well, he forgot

Would have helped 2 days ago

[tall torrent]

I showed him the power of smoke pretty early on when we didn’t have psyker

It completely trivializes gunner, reaper, flamer and shotgunner

[wanton dawn]

Well, i can show the power of ps/plasma with ws. Doesnt mean many ppl will play it

[supple laurel]

i didnt deserve it 😭

i knew it was gg the moment i got blown off by someones damn barrel

[tropic halo]

Imagine playing as veteran and not going for the snipers to help your team smh

[torn gorge]

The issue with smoke is you are giving up an opportunity for more kabloomies

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, but i have a practical example now where smoke would have been not only better but crucial

4 vet on carnival stim, 1st event

H40. Blight and m21

[supple laurel]

i couldnt because i was on the fucking edge hanging on your life dude 😭

[tropic halo]

I dont mean you

Though the psyker used the shield for cover but didnt lasted very long

[hearty panther]

god i wish theyd rework bubble tbh

like smoke > bubble when it comes to keeping gunfire off your team who is actually holding a position within the area of effect

bubble will let off after 6.6~s of sustained fire but smoke has no health so will always last either 15 or 30s with grenade tinkerer

but thats the thing, bubble is better placed on enemies to completely negate their guns than on allies to protect them from guns and that's so fffFFFucken stupid i hate it

[heavy rover]

Use my technique, use Ghost on an infantry lasgun and keep shooting enough that Ghost will practically be staying up forever. That way you aggro all ranged enemies and you're completely immune

Enough dakka to make Gork and Mork proud

Snipers? Done. Gunners? Done. Reapers? Done.

Hotel? Trivago

[hearty panther]

i already use ghost, and its cousin, super-ghost (Empathic Evasion)

its just an extreme personal pet peeve of mine is all

if im at a distance away from my team and they're under fire, i can toss a smoke to their location to help them

as a psyker, you can do that with bubble, but you'd get exponentially more value out of not doing that and instead putting it right on the enemy

which is just stupid, just fucking stupid, i really hate it

its weird to find myself saying that bubble needs buffs (its actual HP needs to be increased, doubled or more, since it only lasts as long as a wall does, but you get two walls)

its a fat fucken target that almost never lasts its full duration potential in havoc (25s iirc as stated on the tooltip)

but that doesnt matter because its actual strength is a stupid unstated interaction of just deleting any enemy projectile that's produced from inside of it

[tall torrent]

It lasts a bit longer than wall iirc

Wall is 17.5s
Bubble is 25s

[hearty panther]

in terms of damage soak, theyre the same

[tall torrent]

But in practice it’s 6.6s

[hearty panther]

20HP yeah

so 6.6~ seconds

so its actually awful at blocking damage and has a longer cooldown for it, but its amazing at ... abusing a mechanic that isnt advertised lmao

walls tends to last much longer unless you're genuinely sitting in a choke thats taking ALL the gunfire

and even then, you get two walls, so they WILL last longer

[faint beacon]

I’m more so saying it could also be used to like deny enemy attacks that are in the smoke radius blast by staggering them giving everyone a second to breath but it would be nice to give it a buff inside smoke as well outside of ranged immunity

[tall torrent]

It needs both

The smoke cloud creation should stagger
And enemies inside the created smoke cloud should be more vulnerable to stagger

[faint beacon]

Like I guess an example

Crusher preparing overhead

Smoke pops on him

He gets staggered out of it

[hearty panther]

right now best it can do is stagger a hound off somebody

[wanton dawn]

Man, carnival death spawn should be illegal

it is like, 3 to 4 rooms ahead

[hearty panther]

which one?

[wanton dawn]

Room before the church before the bar. Death spawn is below the bar

[vernal trench]

the last spawn before the big arena

[wanton dawn]

There is also the one before the big area yes

[vernal trench]

theres liek 3 carnival maps u gotta be more specific

[hearty panther]

oh yea that one is awful

[wanton dawn]

The shit one

[hearty panther]

there are other respawn points too but they dont seem to be in use

[wanton dawn]

The stim one. It is bad

[hearty panther]

like the weird metal tree thing that denotes a respawn point is there

[wanton dawn]

It is my least favorite map by far

[warm walrus]

yeah i think i know what you're saying, it's the nurgle symbol effigy thingy on a rusted metal stand?

[vapid nacelle]

sometimes I wish veteran had two blitz slots

[austere mica]

I also wish I could just win games instantly

[vapid nacelle]

it would be unbalanced

[formal ice]

Man I wish I could be overpowered

[vapid nacelle]

but the desire for frag's all around excellent with the fun of kraks :(

[languid estuary]

just pay psyker

play

[formal ice]

I'll pay pysker to become good

[austere pine]

remove blitz from zealot (waste of points) and put it on the vet

[formal ice]

Give all tree perks to one class

(Ogryn)

[austere pine]

YES-YES

[rustic beacon]

Whoops

[visual remnant]

@severe gale

[willow canyon]

Is the fan the hammer pistol good

[molten hound]

Its fun with crucian and always prepared

[willow canyon]

Crucian?

[tropic halo]

are they silly

[rustic beacon]

One of my favourite weapons. Very good boss killer with crucian+sustained fire and the red talent nodes

[molten hound]

Crucian roulette

[willow canyon]

Oh

[molten hound]

Gives you crit chance based on missing bullets

[austere pine]

i dunno what they did to the engine but it seems to me you can properly rocket jump now

[willow canyon]

What blessings should I put on it

[austere pine]

surgical/crucian roulette/point blank? + hand-cannon

[rustic beacon]

Newly discovered movement tech

[molten hound]

I like crucian hand cannon

[austere pine]

i've managed to blast jump twice now

crucian hand cannon with always ready in weapon specialist

guide says to build this way

our holy book, the primer

[willow canyon]

Ty

https://tenor.com/view/val-kilmer-wink-tombstone-doc-holliday-okcorral-gif-12881998

[rustic beacon]

I am running maniac+uny with crucian+sustained fire. Hand cannon only really helps against crushers, which I just kill with my melee

[tame lodge]

Specialized boss killer

[quartz nymph]

Also a good dopamine enabler

[austere pine]

and flak and maniac

[willow canyon]

What’s a good assault rifle on the vet

[hollow ibex]

The recon lasgun or Vraks infantry autogun

[willow canyon]

K ty

[severe gale]

LMFAO

[tall torrent]

For XIV revolver, flak + maniac

I use point blank + run&gun

Word document is a little outdated in terms of perk & blessing info

(Mainly format limitations)

And I’m all in on steam guide atm so haven’t updated word doc

[vestal widget]

why those 2

or, well, why r&g

[tall torrent]

Point blank is free crit chance for meleeing enemies

[vestal widget]

oh did they fix it

[tall torrent]

Run&gun reduces spread which helps hit important headshots

I think it’s a good QoL boost

Trickshooter and sustained fire are both good as well

[vestal widget]

hmm, i'll give run and gun a go

[tall torrent]

I use run&gun for both revolvers

[tall torrent]

It also has a hidden benefit of reducing sprint-to-fire time

[gentle yoke]

So for executioners stance is it better to run enhanced target priority or bigger they are?

For havoc and aurics

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jCPWjdYp6V4PjrUsU?invite=cr-MSxFZHUsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

[tall torrent]

Rashad with shovel model is crazy

[faint beacon]

Goes hard as fuck alright

(Gales extreme cope when it comes to the shovels drawbacks even though he still willingly uses them)

[severe gale]

typical rashad crutch,,,,,

[faint beacon]

I wish Chainsword wasn’t utter dog shit against carapace….

Cause holy shit it feels super nice against hordes

[severe gale]

hsword does better against carapace lmfao

[faint beacon]

It’s so fucking bleak

I think I’m just incredibly tired of the veteran melee line up so I’m trying to find ANYTHING that feels remotely useful

[hollow ibex]

Taxe mk4

[faint beacon]

It’s so close to perfection

[tall torrent]

Mk7 tac axe is close, just 4 extra perks and 2 extra blessings away

[azure stream]

whats optimal plasma against bulwarks?

lights only? Charge only? or charge and light?

[tall torrent]

Optimally u don’t bother shooting plasma at bulwark unless u get to headshot them as they swing at u

[azure stream]

cuz of dueling sword?

[tall torrent]

No

Because bulwark takes 5 shots to kill if shooting through shield

It’s simply not worth the ammo cost

[azure stream]

oh shit, i meant to say crushers

[tall torrent]

Same deal, not worth the ammo cost (4 shots on avg)

Plasma can kill crushers, but it’s not worth relying on it as your carapace damage

[azure stream]

sorry, just got off work, brain fried. and hmmm. I see

[tall torrent]

Best to bring a melee that deals with carapace well (duelling sword works but is not the only option)

[azure stream]

true.

[fading kayak]

Been running plasma gun and devil claw sword on auric and learned how to love the claw sword but it’s not great for dealing with crushers and maulers but its satisfying to use against dreg ragers and sometimes scab ragers

[hollow ibex]

Oof didn't know it's that bad

I fucking hate bulwarks

[tall torrent]

U can use plasma to open them on headshot when they swing at u

It’s heavy stagger which puts them on the ground for easy kill

[hollow ibex]

Hmm good to know

Idk when I'll play plasma again but I'll keep that in mind

[wild vortex]

What are the most reliable ways to open up bulwarks?

Usually I just hit them between swings

[hollow ibex]

Same

[fading kayak]

Usually that’s the way I do it but I just throw regular krak grenades or use the shout ability when fighting a large group

[tall torrent]

On veteran:
frag
krak
VoC
combat shotgun VII special shot
boltgun with exe stance

That’s it

The rest need to hit non-shield parts to have a chance to open

[wild vortex]

Damn, they really are a pain

[hollow ibex]

Bulwark racism is justified

[errant carbon]

All Fucking Bulwarks Must Fucking Hang.

[tropic pendant]

hi! just got started and was wondering which weapon rewards headshots the most? or even just the most satisfying?

[tall torrent]

Almost all weapons want u to be hitting enemies in the head pretty much all the time

[tropic pendant]

which one feels the most "one shot, one kill"?

single shot

[hollow ibex]

Bolter is pretty satisfying

[tall torrent]

Melee or ranged

[hollow ibex]

Revolver and helbore are there as well

[tropic pendant]

ok, got any good builds for the bolter and revolver?

[tropic pendant]

and what about melee?

[tall torrent]

Combat axe

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/984525651904176209/1327912507150565436/IMG_2005.png?ex=67a3c5a5&is=67a27425&hm=f8633c8cb0c733e9a3ecb54f5dc2efdb86a4aec3d6a12802e369f18e985e07dc&

[tropic pendant]

whats the combo?

[tall torrent]

Combat axe III

Light atk and push atk for everything except carapace & unyielding

Where heavy atks come in

[supple laurel]

no..

no it doesnt

😭

[tall torrent]

What

[supple laurel]

no 😭

[tall torrent]

What are you talking about

[agile forge]

Best revolver build is definitely with rashad combat axe and weapon specialist

[supple laurel]

rashad with shovel is so cursed

[agile forge]

can build the rest as you like

[supple laurel]

oh wait

[supple laurel]

i responded to the wrong person i meant to respond to someone else 😭

[tropic pendant]

what's rashad?

[supple laurel]

rashad is a version of the combat axe

[tall torrent]

Combat axe III

[visual remnant]

DONT LET ANOTHER FALL 2 THE CULT OF RASHAD !!! NOOOOH !! LIL GLOOPLIN DONT DOEZ IT !!!!

[tropic pendant]

i hear rashad call out to me brother

the taste is intoxicating

[visual remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/green-goblin-norman-osborn-osborn-spider-man-mask-gif-24772759

[tropic pendant]

is it like kruber's executioner sword?

from vt2

[gentle yoke]

Killshot ready is killing my finger!

Crouch walking everywhere so I don’t lose stacks trying to back up from hordes

[uncut pebble]

No. That would be mk15 evisc.

[calm shard]

just use it like a shitty WS and fire at head level with a shotgun into hordes

or use one of the las weapons with counterfire and become bane of shooters everywhere

[gentle yoke]

I’m using a recon into hordes and usually getting 300 kills a game

Trying to get as many as possible because I hate grinding

[hybrid elk]

Can someone axepill me please? I've been messing with the Rashad and with Bromentum, Headtaker, and Flak + Unyielding its nasty. Want to try it in Havoc with my Vet. Are there better setups or marks?

[calm shard]

it doesn't have to be ranged kills btw

it just has to be at 10 or more stacks

[gentle yoke]

Waste of time…

Power swording hordes it is

[uncut pebble]

When fatshark will give a weapon that scales better than rashad does for vet, then you can complain...

[calm shard]

which is what I meant when I said using it with shotgun as a shitty WS

just swap to shotgun to headshot a guy to reset MF's grace period or stacks

and go back to power swording the horde

[tall torrent]

I wish veteran had more good melee weapons

[calm shard]

hey I wish ogryn had more good melee weapons

[gentle yoke]

Ogryn has like 8 total weapons

[calm shard]

unfair

[tall torrent]

3.5

[gentle yoke]

Yeah still a fun class

[calm shard]

pickaxe is cool and fun

slab shield is good but only has one attack

brown folding shovel distinctly okay

power maul...exists

[gentle yoke]

Is shogun really better for marksmans focus kills?

[calm shard]

it's just easy to land a headshot kill into a crowd without aiming because they have high cleave

[tropic pendant]

boys when do you start min-maxing the weapons like in vt2?

do i have to wait at a specific level too?

[calm shard]

as soon as you master the weapon by using it enough

[visual remnant]

The end

Lvl 30

But it's wayyyyy easier than vt2

[calm shard]

it's not level specific, but I think new characters unlock Hadron at level...5?

[visual remnant]

No more gacha

Buy weapons of a certain type

Upgrade them to green

[gentle yoke]

I mean you can master a weapon by maybe level 20 if you have a pre planned build

[tropic pendant]

so did i waste my resources by transcending my stuff...

[visual remnant]

Sacrifice the wpn of the same type

[calm shard]

possibly

[visual remnant]

33 wpns is like a mastery

[calm shard]

worth noting that the maximum stat weapons can roll is 80

[visual remnant]

Around like 3k or 4k plasteel

[calm shard]

and the minimum is 60

[visual remnant]

When u get to lvl 30 and buy in bulk from brunt you'll get wpns w proper rolls

[gentle yoke]

Best to have all 80’s and a 60 for simplicity I think

[visual remnant]

Like 60 dumps 80 everything else

[tall torrent]

No, u camp mercantile kitchen for 20 mins with melee crab walk

@coarse wolf knows

[gentle yoke]

My finger is killing me from holding crouch already…

[calm shard]

yeah that's prob the fastest way

I'd suggest just doing it solo but you can't do missions solo in this game :)

[tall torrent]

Set to tap crouch

Just for this penance

[calm shard]

Would help a lot with how many of the fucking penances require you to grief your team

[tall torrent]

After u can change it back

[tropic pendant]

so pool resources til 30 then start rolling brunt?

[gentle yoke]

That’s a thing???

[coarse wolf]

[tropic pendant]

will this power 300 revolver and power 200 rapier get me to 30?

[gentle yoke]

I’d upgrade. You can usually just wait out shop changes if you want the same gear

Early game is the best time to experiment from my experience

[gentle yoke]

Which one is mercantile kitchen? I’ll gladly sit in a corner if it means finishing this faster

[tall torrent]

Carnival map called mercantile
Breach first wall
Go to second wall breach, next to it is a kitchen

Infinite enemy spawn

U will most probably need a friend to snipe specials for u

[gentle yoke]

Oh I haven’t done that one in forever. I’ll just hide in a corner

[last marten]

bistol enjoyer yes i throw grenades yes they regenerate no you cant pick them up

[normal sparrow]

Hate this one
Same with ogryn heavy hitter

[sullen jackal]

https://youtu.be/kszEGjktgrY

[barren nimbus]

how do you do that stab he's doing

[tall torrent]

push attack

[barren nimbus]

I know about the animation cancel but you just push attack again?

[tall torrent]

U can start PA at the same time u normally block cancel

And after

[uncut pebble]

Fatshark, give us a heavy evisc or chainsword skin like the rogue trader sol pattern chainsword...

[barren nimbus]

Okay yeah I just realized the stab is just a heavy attack

[tropic pendant]

hi, how do i deal with the big guys with shields with my rapier?

[austere mica]

Bait a swing

Then punish with heavy->special loop

[tropic pendant]

oh what's the loop? animation cancel the heavy stab with the special stab?

[austere mica]

Its not really an anim cancel so much as really fast

[tropic pendant]

ok gotcha, any other tech for the rapier and revolver?

have some experience playing a lot of witch hunter in vt2 with roughly the same weapons

[austere mica]

Put them both away

+100% increase to enjoyment

Sleepy ass weapons

[tropic pendant]

but i like feeling like a cowboy 😭
but the chainsword and bolter looks fun seeing as i just played sm2

they any good?

[austere mica]

Chainsword is a bit of a one trick for pure trash clear, nearly unbeatable in that regard

Otherwise its kinda ok except for carapace, where it can only really do one on one

Bolter is a great anti elites/bosses weapon

Slow and expensive ammo wise, but powerful

[tall torrent]

boltgun yes
chainsword not very good on veteran (can be good on zealot)

[gentle yoke]

Does parry work for big enemies like crushers? Want to try something

[austere mica]

You can oneshot parry a crusher, yes (on zealot)

[tropic pendant]

what's a fun melee weapon for vet?

[tall torrent]

what do u consider as fun

[austere mica]

Knife, Shock Maul, Devils claw, Heavy sword, Shovel

Tac axe is fun on zealot but vet doesn't have the crit support for it

[warm walrus]

someone remind me really quick what bistol wants for both blessings and perks, more specifically zealot

[gentle yoke]

Oh I thought veteran had parry too. Guessing it’s different though

[tropic pendant]

high skill cap, either with parry, or heads will roll type

[austere mica]

No they do, just not the damage/rending to oneshot

[tropic pendant]

that vibe

[tall torrent]

combat axe III

[gentle yoke]

Ah that’s fair

Foldy shovel best weapon

[austere mica]

You need the force crit and 100% rending from FotF + Duelists 50% finesse bonus to do it

[gentle yoke]

I think I’d rather just dodge and head poke. That’s too much prep for when they send a dozen at once

[austere mica]

Dclaw isn't meant for armor

Thats a bolter problem

[compact plume]

I enjoy the chainsword on vet, but I only play malice. MG XII and chainsword. Just how the Emperor intended.

[austere mica]

mk13g on zealot is a crime

Comparable trash clear to a bromentum weapon

[gentle yoke]

I use helbore and shovel so Havoc is a nightmare. I know everyone usually uses bolter/ plasma gun/ revolvers on that

[tall torrent]

nah

[austere mica]

Ignores Recon las entirely

[tall torrent]

revolver got taken out back and shot

[austere mica]

Shovel also works as a Skullcrusher stick

[grand perch]

not bad

[austere mica]

Joy to the world for that one

[gentle yoke]

I just need to get better at dodging mostly. Def a skill issue in havoc

[tough tiger]

Is better to run relic blade with piety or inexorable?

[austere mica]

Both work

[sullen jackal]

Dodging what, specifically?

[austere mica]

It has pretty good finesse so its IoD uptime versus better mobility

[gentle yoke]

Mostly dodging. I’m pretty consistent with headshots on enemies with the marking effect

[compact plume]

Is there a noticeable difference between the power swords?

[austere mica]

mk6 has a much better singletarget set without sacrificing horde clear

[compact plume]

Ah.

[austere mica]

Special->PA->light will tap a crusher (with a few talents)

[coarse wolf]

fuck even with db i still dont like playing vet

[austere mica]

Dbarrel vet is basically the only way I play

[coarse wolf]

i dislike having zero boss damage of any kind

can't trust pubs

[austere mica]

Thats why Knife

[coarse wolf]

and im not running ds4 outside of havoc

[austere mica]

Perfectly compliments Dbarrel

[coarse wolf]

feels weak

just no horde clear it feels like

[austere mica]

Seeing that emote's name and expecting Adachi

[austere mica]

You have a shotgun for that

Thats the point of the shotgun

20 kills a trigger pull and 77 ammo

(Or more, up to ~120)

[coarse wolf]

and i dislike being ranged focused

it's THE single reason why i hate playing sienna in vt2

same reason why i have always hated playing vet

[sullen jackal]

For melee attacks you can practice dodging backwards then lunging forwards to hit an enemy with just the tip of a heavy attack in the psykarium.

[tropic pendant]

Is the cowboy rifle any good? The vigilant something?

[torn gorge]

One can only dream

[tall torrent]

that's a shovel problem

u just gotta axe

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[tropic pendant]

that bad huh

[radiant chasm]

Its good if you can chain headshots but the IAGs are just generally better

Oh and the mk7 variant is more like a dmr type than the burst fires so that can be a fun semi auto imo

[torn gorge]

The closest thing to a DMR before recoil/sway breaks your puny arms

[tropic pendant]

assuming the emperor guides me and I get headshots often, which gun will payoff the most?

[calm shard]

the whole point of them is that they do so much damage they don't have to hedshot

semi auto vigilant can one shot bodyshots all shooters and stalkers

[torn gorge]

Mk3 is very easy to control but then maniac damage become an issue

[calm shard]

Either the Vraks 5 Infantry Autogun, or the IIb/VII Infantry Lasguns

[radiant chasm]

Yea but style points

And procing ET

[tropic pendant]

What's ET?

[radiant chasm]

Vraks infantry hands down, it’s dps is insane

Exhilarating takedown talent

[calm shard]

exhilarating takedown, veteran's worst toughness regen talent

[radiant chasm]

Tell that to frog

[calm shard]

It isn't the worst because it is bad

It's the worst because you have to take Longshot

A talent that does literally nothing 99% of the time

Though it is more annoying to proc than either Confirmed Kill, or Out For Blood

[radiant chasm]

There is just something satisfying of going head to head with the mk7,

But i miss the days of agri brauto pre talents

The only thing remotely close to the shredder pistol in power

Just rambo’ing through the whole map

[tropic pendant]

Please tell me if I understood this correctly:
I'm following a revolver guide that uses Deadshot, Duck and Cover, and the Surgical Blessing

Is the playstyle aim down sights all the time shooting special to special and trying my best to dodge to restore stamina that's being drained by Deadshot?

[radiant chasm]

You can also slide

[orchid hemlock]

Deadshot

[radiant chasm]

But yes with that build you only need i think 5 surgical stacks to guarantee the crit if you even need that for the breakpoint

[tropic pendant]

why this reaction xD

[orchid hemlock]

the cope builds I have seen with that node has given me PTSD

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d799ecb-e636-48b3-b088-df38d767c119/recon-lasgun-jeficus

[tall torrent]

infantry autogun V
vigilant autogun VII
heavy laspistol II

[hollow ibex]

aesthetically pleasing

logically horrifying

[calm shard]

think of the durability though /s

[wanton dawn]

29 points ? Unplayable

[tropic pendant]

what job does the recon lasgun do?

[wheat stratus]

clear ranged critter and specials

top priority

throw a frag nade to horde and wait for team to deal with them

[pallid mango]

Looks like a hammer

[pallid mango]

Everything. With all +3 stamina curious, stormtrooper and "increased crits while adsing trait that i forgot" and weapon specialist to recover stamina after each kill and weapon swap you have ammo for days. Legit can spend whole game pulling down the trigger and still have some left

[terse idol]

you don't need deadshot

don't need WS eitherr

[terse idol]

It

Kinda kills everything very well but crushers and bosses

[pallid mango]

Yeh but it's funni

[terse idol]

Valid but also

THAT'S ALOTTA WOOORK

[pallid mango]

Listen i gotta use those +3 stamina curious for smth at least :>

[calm shard]

extremely high damage into all health types (including carapace with Onslaught), and very high ammo efficiency

[pallid mango]

Nothing like shooting 100 bullets from 15 rounder mag shenanigans