veteran-class

[agile forge]

also the heavies have a target cap while the lights don't

I always wonder why people shit on the tac 4

[tall torrent]

nah it's way higher

[agile forge]

isn't full lights on trash and full heavies on elites generally a desirable moveset?

[tall torrent]

braced autogun doesn't get to stagger elites nearly as good

[hearty panther]

where da number

[junior needle]

I did not know this

[hearty panther]

oh i meant suppression

not stagger

no stagger that thing is in its own class entirely

[junior needle]

Probably because it doesn't use brudal well

[hearty panther]

you can just floor scab ragers which is wild

[agile forge]

I might be mistaken, I don't fuck with tac axes much

[tall torrent]

mk8 braced auto is 4 shots to hard suppress both gunners (not stagger)

[agile forge]

but I remember reading that

[tall torrent]

autopistol staggers them in 3 hits which is quicker than its own suppression

so I genuinely did not bother checking for suppression

[hearty panther]

guess ill launch the damn game and check UGH

[junior needle]

Heavies typically have more cleave + damage, so not necessarily

But taxe 4 just light spams for everything because it's just better, including carapace

[hearty panther]

nah you still wanna toss in some heavies for the stagger

its not always ALWAYS light spam

but it is what it does best

[junior needle]

I just dodge and weave and don't bother

[hearty panther]

honestly tho just use the MK7

its the best of both worlds

[errant carbon]

Yeah, but you have to hit with those and the thing is highly inaccurate (and gunners come in squads anyways so suppressing nearby enemies is useful)

[junior needle]

But I only used it on zealot and I play stealth only so, take my approach as being suited for my loadout

[errant carbon]

Also does Pus Hardened grant stagger resistance? Or am I thinking of Nurgle Blessed

[tall torrent]

no

[hearty panther]

that'd be nurgle yea

[tall torrent]

pus hardened is just ranged DR

cranial and nurgle bless have increased stagger reduction

[hearty panther]

oh its the suppression on kill value thats 5 for the shredder

actual base suppression value is only 1?? that seems hard to believe

[tall torrent]

I'm now considering if I should include reaper stagger breakpoint in guide

[hearty panther]

that rate of fire do make up the difference

might be some interactions with other stats that i just dont understand

[tall torrent]

but I rly don't feel like testing ranged weapons' stagger more

[tall torrent]

fuck it I'll speedrun reaper tests

[hollow ibex]

there needs to be a way to exclude certain maps/modifiers from QP

rolling steel is still such a dogshit fucking mission

[junior needle]

But muh fractured playerbase

[errant carbon]

Rolling Steel should probably be moved to Special Assignments or something. Or maybe its own category if they add more short maps. Actually kind of miss those from VT1

[deft nebula]

any fun veteran build recommendations?

[radiant chasm]

Bistol frag nade spammer

[summer lance]

in one match

[radiant chasm]

With any uncanny blessed weapon (i like shovels for flavor)

[summer lance]

praying to GOD that the rest of the matches are like this

would plasma gun be better for this for shooting through short barricades? using boltgun rn

[wanton dawn]

Not really. Plasma exe is not great.

Gunplay is clunkier.

[summer lance]

ill stick to bolter then, unless recon lasgun is better in some way

[wanton dawn]

Try vrak infantry autogun

It is a great exe gun

[summer lance]

what is exe?

[wanton dawn]

Exe stance

[summer lance]

oooh

id have to level up the mastery and empower the one that i have

which would take a while, since i am not rich

[wanton dawn]

Gl. I have been a rich boy for a while now

I just dont like interacting with the craft system

[grand perch]

yeah same

very close to havoc 40 finale

[summer lance]

the item/mastery system got changed before got the game, and from what iv seen/heard of it, the system beforehand was complete ass

[junior needle]

It was much worse around release

Then had GLACIALLY SLOW improvements over a very long period

[wanton dawn]

It is... fine now ? I guess ? Maybe ?

It is not for ppl with my playtime

[summer lance]

LETS FUCKIGN GOOOOOOO

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iqJcNxnXKy4yDJz9z/d1337fQjNndT?invite=cr-MSxlY2wsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

Ancient video but further proves the point of how busted DC Vet bots are against bosses LMAO

[azure stream]

since every gets hot plasma gun info being bad is from pre talent rerwork.

is gets hot still worth or can I run Blaze away and rising heat instead

[tame lodge]

Gets Hot and Rising Heat

Or

Blaze Away and Optimized Cooling

Or Gets Hot and Focused Cooling

[tall torrent]

I think it’s not as good as rising heat

[supple laurel]

idk why they dont just make it percentage based when it comes to bots blocking, parrying, dodging, etc

[tame lodge]

It's a thing

One of the things ever

[azure stream]

I have one with gets hot and rising heat, just wondering if anything else is worth combining

[faint beacon]

They have infinite stamina that’s the reason why bots are so incredibly dumb with it

[tall torrent]

Blaze away + optimized cooling

Is another option

[supple laurel]

one moment: bots blowing up a burster in your face
other moment: bots letting you sit on your ass as they solo every DH, every chaos spawn, nurgle, or anything else the game throws at you

[azure stream]

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ghost-barrel-explode-fly-gif-10528166394804192796

[azure stream]

i'll make a note

[frigid robin]

Guys whats better for elite killing on a shout build, plasma or boltgun?

[terse idol]

Plasma

[unreal nova]

Why I told someone, the bot aggro'd the DH on private before I did? Well, go BB the DH now... They are gods at blocking the DH.

I'll just go EK funny disablers while you do that.

[frigid robin]

What Melee pairs better with plasma?

[tropic halo]

Absolute chad the bots facing the DH

[faint beacon]

Fucking ages ago

[tall torrent]

axe

[faint beacon]

Lvl 560 something now I’m 910 LMAO

[tall torrent]

I finished range weapons' sections

[faint beacon]

Isn’t that like half of the section

Holy shit discord tweaked out there and sent it three times

[frigid robin]

Chain Axe or just Axe?

[tall torrent]

No, I now need to overhaul introduction, talents and blessings

I realized the guide looks super cursed on phone so I gotta optimize that

[errant carbon]

Greataxe
||jk it's Rashad Combat Axe With Brutal Momentum And Headtaker™||

[tall torrent]

Combat axe

[frigid robin]

Why is it combat Axe? Like I don't know what are its strengths

[tall torrent]

It’s good against quite literally every enemy

[frigid robin]

I see

[errant carbon]

Strength is being very good against all target types, while also being very easy to use, having decent mobility, and not requiring talent investment to work on Veteran

[frigid robin]

Understand

[tall torrent]

It requires heavy talent investment for veteran

[errant carbon]

Really? I mean they surely help but I didn't think Caxe needed it

[supple laurel]

PB moments

[tall torrent]

Atk speed

[tropic halo]

That bolt pistol scope caught me off guard, it just looks so out of place lmao

[errant carbon]

Attack speed is welcome for everything but I never felt the Caxe was crippled without it, the way e.g. Heavy Sword did when it first came to Vet and I gave it a try after obviously only using it on Zealot

[tall torrent]

Combat axe without atk speed is much worse

Plus it needs desperado almost all the time

Massive crit bonus for carapace & unyielding

It’s on avg 5 points extra cost than most other veteran melee

[faint beacon]

Tbf it’s irons are ass unless it’s the mastery skin

[tropic halo]

I have not played bolt pistol for a while, I should try it again but I wanna go with the default skin

Personally i am not too bothered with the lack of irons but I can see for other people

[wanton dawn]

I am more bothered by lucius iron than anything else

[supple laurel]

its helpful tho

[tall torrent]

Just use the mastery skin

[tropic halo]

Yeah not hating for using the mod, I just find it funny and also the big flashlight on it

[supple laurel]

nah

[supple laurel]

thats for shits and giggles lol

[tropic halo]

Does it even work or just visually cosmetic?

I could not really use the mod because it frame dropped my game so much

[prisma steppe]

How do you guys find the infantry lasgun? I feel like its a little weak but its also equally likely an aiming skill issue/im building around it wrong

[hollow ibex]

it's meh

[prisma steppe]

Has an IRL overload mechanic where instead of heat generation, you get carpal tunnel

[grand perch]

nah ilas is great

[quartz nymph]

Get karkin' stuck in

[summer lance]

slowly starting to despise zealots

[wanton dawn]

Rofl. I think the game nuked my havoc party on top of crashing

Oh well, it is what it is

[quartz nymph]

Bummer

[serene bough]

As much as I love ripping on zealots, kraks are the problem here

[summer lance]

i know this, just really annoying its 500, and seeing a bunch of crushers get destroyed before i can even get to them with kraks

[serene bough]

Too long to detonate, useful for bulwark and boss DPS but otherwise wasted on crushers

Chuck them into flak horde enemies for penance

Bruisers

[raw needle]

I do that even if just to spite vet players

just run shredders

:^)

[wanton dawn]

I do that because if someone throw a kraks and I kill first, then it was a bad kraks

simple as that'

[raw needle]

^^^^

[summer lance]

:( i usually use frags, im just trying to get the damn penance

[tall torrent]

Throw at scab horde

[raw needle]

just run a havoc with mobian hordes lol

[tall torrent]

11

[tropic halo]

Honestly you would kill a crusher much faster with most weapons before even a krak could explode

The only time I ever used kraks was just for the penance and it was not fun due how long it takes to explode lol

[raw needle]

they need to make them work like sm2 kraks

in a way that if they blow up near you they just kill you

[vapid blade]

is there not just like, a general guide-ish to what talents are really worthwhile, or do other classes not work like this or something
#zealot-class message

idk if im just crazy or what, its crazy that only one channel in all the classes category has something like this

unless the game doesn't really function like that for other classes or what, idk

[quartz nymph]

There's this that gets posted often

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-fuzzle-check-pins-gif-26301171

[quartz nymph]

The vet guide in the pins goes over each talent more in depth

[vapid blade]

i could have sworn i went through the pins already, i kinda just want something simple to look at while leveling

[hollow ibex]

you can just ctrl+F the guide, it's not to be meant to be read like a novel

[vapid blade]

is "hammer of the emperor" what's being referred to

[hollow ibex]

yeh

[wanton dawn]

Maybe should be renamed to "Pinned fire" or smth

[vapid blade]

yeah what im looking for is really just, actually reliable builds

i dont really need a description of what the talents do, or what talents are prereqs or path into other talents

the in game talent tree has that

[void dragon]

"I want my homework done because doing homework as a game sometimes is boring"

[vapid blade]

?

[wanton dawn]

Meh. Some ppl just wanna play the game

[vapid blade]

yeah im assuming that for a game thats been out for this long, the research has been done already

lmao

[void dragon]

Not condemning it, I'm one of them

[sterile garnet]

nothing wrong with just copying a build, then figuring out exactly how it works later

[wanton dawn]

In any case, this discord is the kind of place where we are more likely to criticise a build VS proposing best ones

[void dragon]

Sometimes you want something that works so later you can tweak it as you please

[vapid blade]

i know there's plenty of builds out there, just looking for a more reliable source of like "this talent is generally kinda good and this talent is generally kinda bad"

[wanton dawn]

So if you want something, you probably want to build whatever and post it here to have it teared to shred. Then you'll get what you want

[vapid blade]

alright, thanks

[wanton dawn]

Cuz everyone like to prove someone is wrong on the internet

[vapid blade]

true

lmao

[tall torrent]

Standard entry level veteran build
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/984525651904176209/1327912507150565436/IMG_2005.png?ex=67a122a5&is=679fd125&hm=d4889c9bf4cf0a861a288f4b5abeab126840c0012b46db7e6ebf82e9026793ff&

[vapid blade]

awesome, this is exactly what i was looking for, tyvm

[soft trellis]

What about the optional path of taking a -0.25s stamina regen delay node for trolling?

[tall torrent]

It’s not trolling, it’s just not required a lot of the time

[soft trellis]

So you are saying that I am not trolling by always having one on my vet builds for non-havoc stuff?

😭

[tall torrent]

It’s good

[soft trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/404soob-pepe-pp-gif-21552696

[tall torrent]

It’s just competing with dps/utility

[soft trellis]

I understand why it isn't in the tree

for optional stuff :3

[soft trellis]

What about for a full on knife push attack dps build?

Just askin, for a friend

https://tenor.com/view/asking-for-a-friend-kyle-unfunny-not-laughing-no-reaction-straight-face-gif-16595633367159657628

[fading yarrow]

I've taken a new approach to my philosophy on my whole team dying in silly ways

They're not incompetent

They're just being considerate and helping me to prog my Rescue penance

[soft trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/fnb-get-this-man-a-true-gif-25257480

[sterile garnet]

@noble forum you're right about tunnel vision

ima grab that

[hollow ibex]

this used to be me. and then i completed the penance.

[junior needle]

Remember, the most important thing isn't winning. It's your team thinking that you're better than them.

[visual remnant]

GREEN CIRCLEZ !!

[merry gale]

god i love pubstomping

[crude fiber]

But they're impeding your dream team penance

[unreal nova]

Think about it this way, something is progressing.

It's all good.

[void dragon]

Positive thinking makes the heretics go away

[fading yarrow]

Oh I've already done that one lol

[supple laurel]

i use them on bulwarks because fuck bulwarks and there shield

i absolutely love trappers or hounds compared to bulwarks

[visual remnant]

It's fun 2 kill tough enemies

I actually kill krak'd enemiez on porpoise 🐬 sometimez

[soft trellis]

As one should

[unreal nova]

Nobody kills the things I krak at times though.

[obtuse elm]

What blessings should I take for helbore lasgun?

[soft trellis]

big sadge

[unreal nova]

I'm literally putting a beacon for ppl to kill them.

[lost seal]

I do this but with the bolter to my friend all the time

[void dragon]

So I take that the marksman is not a good keystone? Since it's mostly WS and Focus, isn't there a build for that keystone?

[soft trellis]

Randos be Randoing

[tall torrent]

It has strong benefits but is awkward to play

[void dragon]

What weapons would it work the best?

[hollow ibex]

surgical + weight of fire most of the time

[tall torrent]

laspistol, vigilant autogun, infantry autogun, helbore lasgun

[obtuse elm]

What about for bistol

[hollow ibex]

lethal prox + puncture

[unreal nova]

Lethal prox and punc.

[obtuse elm]

🙏

[unreal nova]

Especially with frags.

[obtuse elm]

I like it with graia vigilant autogun

It feels like a pseudo boltgun sometimes

Deadly accuracye, headhunter, I do flak and carapace damage perks and it can kill a couple of pretty tough enemies before having to reload

[void dragon]

What mark you recommend? Didn't heard anything on this weapon class, more is discussed about the infantry version.

[obtuse elm]

The big one

[void dragon]

So vigilant is meant to be the sniper rifles?

[hollow ibex]

i prefer the 2 or 3 burst one tbhj

[hollow ibex]

more like DMRs

[obtuse elm]

Yeah

[obtuse elm]

I like graia mk7

I like

[void dragon]

How it does Vs caparace?

Have to carry a can opener with it?

[obtuse elm]

Nah imo it does pretty well against basically everything

Jack of all trades

Not the best not the worst

If you do feel like you have trouble one of damage perks will fix that

I do flak and carapace perks damage

[hollow ibex]

it does have worse maniac ADMs, and you can def feel it lol

[tall torrent]

U should bring a melee for carapace most of the time anyway

[faint beacon]

Graia 7 would lean towards sniper more but the rest and even the Graia can be very much played like DMRs or Battle Rifles

Punishes for not hitting weak spots

Also the VAs do okayish against carapace if you specifically take Rending Strikes

[crude fiber]

Helbor is the closest thing to a sniper in this game. Would be hard to balance an actual high damage low ammo gun. Either it 1 shots everything except bosses or it doesn't and it's bad

[vernal trench]

Darktide is a fun game

[pseudo fiber]

Damnable havoc game team crashed near the end

no rewards this week

alas

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/good-night-bye-gif-24215089

[void dragon]

I have suffered the same, really crappy thing to happen

[dawn root]

wanted to know if there was a build for vet thats good at killing monstrosities quickly

[frank basin]

Boltgun

Some guy test out the puncture + shatter impacts blessing deal more damage on monstrosity

Shatter impacts reduce target armor and it affect unyielding type, yes sound wierd

[calm shard]

boltgun, plasma gun, and helbore are all pretty good at it

[tall torrent]

Boltgun
XIV revolver
VI combat shotgun
V infantry autogun

[cloud thunder]

Goated missiion

[heavy rover]

dear god that looks painfull

[dawn root]

so what im hearing is anything but boltgun is good XD

bolt gun go CHUNK CHUNK

[trim steppe]

This will probably take me the rest of my Darktide tenure to complete. So painful. I'm thankful for this meatslab event tho, I was <200 before it

[hollow ibex]

you have it bookmarked?

that's commitment

i just don't look

[calm shard]

reapers are weirdly rare

[trim steppe]

I bookmarked all the oggies for the event just to see how many I can crank out per mission

Usually between 10-20 of each, which is not bad

Also I have nothing else to bookmark anyway lol

[hollow ibex]

i think the only thing i have bookmarked is the 500000000000000000000 heretic kills one

[trim steppe]

I've been playing since release and I'm less than 75% of the way there. Not sure if I'm ever gonna be a poxbreaker

I bookmarked barrel kills as well, so I can see my progress of 1 kill every 5 missions

[visual badge]

problem with barrel kills is that barrels will unlikely kill enemies on high as auric damnation

I've seen it kill mostly with the yellow barrel

unlikely with red

and the burn dmg doesn't even count towards it (I think)

[trim steppe]

They patched it so that it does now

[tall torrent]

Patched, counts

[visual badge]

was it recent

[tall torrent]

Define recent

Last year?

[trim steppe]

I think during the mastery overhaul

[visual badge]

well I just returned like month or two, so I guess thats recent

[trim steppe]

Yellow barrel wont even kill a single poxxie at full health when he is >0m away. Gotta soften them up first.

[visual badge]

also I finally 100% all weapons on vet

except shredder autopistol

I legit couldn't bear it

I'll have to put that task up to psyker

[trim steppe]

Just pay for it with weapon sacrifices and be done with it lol

[gentle yoke]

I have three penances left. I still haven’t got make every shot count.

Am I doing something wrong because shotguns don’t work with it?

[terse idol]

Uh shotguns should work

[stoic thorn]

Me omw to get fucking shredded by the reaper (I'm literally chainsword specialing INTO HIS FUCKING SKULL)

[terse idol]

But like, are ya hitting bulwarks

Are ya accidentally hitting already dead enemies?

Do you have ammo at the end? @gentle yoke

[obtuse elm]

What perks should I do on my helbore lasgun

[hollow ibex]

it depends

[quartz nymph]

What do you guys think is the 2nd best vet melee weapon

[hollow ibex]

on mk iv, i do maniac + caparace

[hollow ibex]

duelling sword

[obtuse elm]

The big one is called mk7 now right?

Wait no

[hollow ibex]

big one is mk iv now

[obtuse elm]

Nvm

[quartz nymph]

Wait then what's the 1st?

[obtuse elm]

I was thinking of the vigilant autoguns

[hollow ibex]

rashad gaming 💪

[quartz nymph]

Damn. Good choice 🤝

[cloud thunder]

been experimenting with onslaught, i'm liking itt

[tall torrent]

which one

[tall torrent]

knife

but that's not for most people

knife / duelling sword / combat axe fluctuate between 1~3 depending on what ur looking for

knife is the strongest melee for challenge runs

[quartz nymph]

My top 2 weapons are caxe and knife

I love those bad boys

[tropic notch]

The more I play the closer I lean to the mk 6 knife

Just for vet on zealot mk 3 all the way

@tall torrent what seed of evil have you implanted in my mind

[tall torrent]

unspeakable truth

[quartz nymph]

I need to try out the 6. Seems pretty good. Maybe better on vet

[tropic notch]

How do you deal with captain shields?

[tall torrent]

on what

[tropic notch]

Just in general

[tall torrent]

hit them?

[calm shard]

just the usual single target combo for most weapons works

[visual badge]

just spam attack like true ogryn

[tall torrent]

u don't even need to spam single target orientated combo

void shield has a damage cap per attack instance

[calm shard]

yeah cause they take fixed damage

[tall torrent]

for example

[tropic notch]

Well obviously but with the mk 3 I just punch heavy

[tall torrent]

axe is just

[tropic notch]

Over and over

[tall torrent]

m1 m1 m1 m1 m1 m1 m1 m1 m1 m1

[calm shard]

it's hilarious to chain axe special and get rid of 2/3 their shield instantly though

[visual badge]

or have a gun ogryn shred the shield

[tropic notch]

Really?

[tall torrent]

yea u can spawn them in psykhanium

[tropic notch]

Not push attack spam?

[tall torrent]

light atk on axe is faster void shield dps than heavy atk spam

[tall torrent]

why would u spam push atk on void shield

on a combat axe

[tropic notch]

Ok real

I was talking about the mk6 knife

[visual badge]

just spam light with the knife

[tall torrent]

not sure

I don't like playing knife

[tropic notch]

[tall torrent]

it's vice in moderation

[visual badge]

spam light + 3 other rejects help

[tall torrent]

play knife for 3 games in a row and u level up in brain rot

[visual badge]

knife is good against everything but actual bosses (not monstrosities)

[tropic notch]

I must be a nurgling then

[warm bolt]

What are the blessings for the combat knife btw?

[tall torrent]

I don't doubt it

[tropic notch]

Uncanny and mercy killer

[visual badge]

uncanny + (whatever crit on dodge was)

[warm bolt]

This guy specifically?

[calm shard]

I play knife and get bad defensive habits then immediately switch to power sword to keep my muscle memory on its toes

[visual badge]

mercy is only good with serrated blade

[tall torrent]

just rashad on veteran for 1000 hours, it'll clear ur mind

[calm shard]

hm I do like using rashad

[obtuse elm]

4

[calm shard]

I play gun vet too much to really justify bringing it a lot of the time

I like MF with Helbore/Infantry las a lot

[tall torrent]

maniac + flak/carapace
surgical + WoF / hotshot / falter
(although I think falter is not that worth for mk IV cuz it shoots too slow for stagger to mean much)

[tropic notch]

Why I asked is the punch heavy combo is so good against void shields when I did my first solo that’s allowed me to kill the captain fast

[tall torrent]

u could also spam PA

[warm bolt]

Wait rashad is the combat axe right?

[tall torrent]

ya

[tropic notch]

Real

[warm bolt]

Ah aight

[tropic notch]

Yeah it’s the most versatile weapon in the game

Amazing on vet

[calm shard]

it's actually fun too unlike the dueling sword

thank god for that

[tall torrent]

rashad is just 0.5% more brain activity than DS4 (every attack besides special has function)

[tropic notch]

I love the Rashad with weapon specialist

[tall torrent]

just enough for it to not be brain rot slop

[tropic notch]

You could run ds5

That’s a fun weapon

Dodge everywhere

[tall torrent]

I hate ds5's light atk pattern

[tropic notch]

With agile and uncanny

[tall torrent]

would rather play knife

[tropic notch]

Agile and the ds5 are so insane

[tall torrent]

yea insane for developing brain rot

[tropic notch]

I love brain rot

[visual badge]

just run devil claw

best weapon

or chainsword to actually kill stuff

devil claw can parry overheads

[hollow ibex]

enjoy tickling bucket heads

[visual badge]

the revolver in my pocket:

[hollow ibex]

you're going to use revolver on a dreg bruiser?

[warm bolt]

You're not?

[visual badge]

I've done worse

[hollow ibex]

close quarters is efficient... taste the blood

dreg bruisers don't deserve use of holy munitions

[tall torrent]

chainsword could be good on veteran if it did 2x rev atk single target vs carapace & unyielding, had 60% more stagger on heavy attacks, and the rev atk's dmg evenly distributed between all ticks instead of banking majority on last tick

[obtuse elm]

Wof or hotshot for killing big guys

[tall torrent]

WoF is faster firerate if u get to setup a firing spot
hotshot is better effective cleave, mainly for melee (it just works)

[visual badge]

I mean the rev atk stuns whoever you hit, so not like it's completely useless

well not maniacs tho I think

tbh it's been a while since I used it

[tall torrent]

if only that was actually true

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cola-cat-cola-explosion-luma-ai-gif-12441479630905084027

[visual badge]

I got to lvl 20 with it, didn't dissapoint me

[obtuse elm]

I mean cleave would be good for when a bunch of small enemies get infront of my target right?

When I shoot

Or how does it work

[visual badge]

I ain't listening to your propaganda

I ain't using ds with every build

but have to admit that two tapping crushers is extremely satisfying

[tall torrent]

hotshot makes all weakspot hits consider the enemy struck as 0.5x mass
this applies to ranged and melee weakspot hits
so ur melee that hits a bunch of weakspots has magically higher effective cleave

[faint beacon]

If only its damage cap wasn't real...

[tall torrent]

chainsword has no clv dmg distribution cap

[faint beacon]

Istfg it did

[tall torrent]

that's evicerator / chainaxe / bully club / ogryn guns

[visual badge]

chainsword is dissapointing in it's horde clear

[faint beacon]

Chainaxe is probably what i was getting confused then

[visual badge]

if it was at least good in that

[tall torrent]

that's the only thing chainsword does well in

(still not best)

[visual badge]

😔

[tall torrent]

mk4 chainsword was 10.4s vs 50 poxwalkers

faster than most melee weapons

fastest is rashad combat axe at 7.5s

[visual badge]

when will vets get brass knuckles

[tropic notch]

When will vets stam delay nodes be baked in

[tall torrent]

cod zombies brainrot

[tropic notch]

When will I beat sedition

[visual badge]

considering vet is mostly gun orientated

probs never

[tall torrent]

prob never?

[tropic notch]

I will now sob

[hollow ibex]

this pisses me off

[visual badge]

the amount of vets that don't actually use their guns against ranged

[faint beacon]

Never thats literally the biggest and most notable Veteran has and well (needs)

[visual badge]

exe stance is invaluable honestly

[faint beacon]

cause if not he's basically just ranged Zealot

[tall torrent]

1 round to remind u to reload

[visual badge]

the biggest dissapointment

vigilant autogun

you think it'd be the solution to gun vet

[tall torrent]

nah
buff twinned blast to 30% let's see who's the highest roller in tertium

[visual badge]

somehow worse than infantry lasgun/autogun

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-hikari-gif-1408129775731152385

Always bet on Veteran

[visual badge]

sure 1 hit round to kill gunners to head, 4 if you miss (which you will)

doesn't 1 hit kill the non flak gunners tho

[tall torrent]

can

requires building for

[visual badge]

perhaps in exe stance it does

[tall torrent]

not needed

[visual badge]

well I tried weakspot kill keystone and exe stance

only felt like crit wouldve done the job

problem is that building up weakspot kills was really not useful

and focus target didnt help either

[tall torrent]

10% elite
superiority complex
opening salvo (blessing)

hits 1471 for dreg gunner (1 headshot)

vig auto has a built in quirk where its salvo resets super fast when aiming

[visual badge]

I never did try opening salvo

lemme see rq

[tall torrent]

so opening salvo is mostly up as long as ur not clicking at max firerate (which u won't if ur aiming for headshots)

[visual badge]

I ran different blessings

[faint beacon]

Graia 7 Ghost + Opening is a genuine combo

it seems weird but it is

[tall torrent]

u can also run 25% unarmored + superiority complex

which gets u the same breakpoint

[visual badge]

well I mostly ran by your guide

but I also didnt really build for it specifically

[tall torrent]

there're 2 ways to run this gun

[visual badge]

I did run 2 Ithink

[tall torrent]

option 1 is less gambling

option 2 can gamble harder

[warm bolt]

Is this a good helbore build?

[tall torrent]

good helbore build should never come close to weapon specialist

[visual badge]

I did run 2

[warm bolt]

oh

[visual badge]

better off with left keystone lol

[tall torrent]

weapon specialist is coded in a weird way

[visual badge]

also if youre going helbore

[tall torrent]

it checks for ur in-hand weapon as to what stack u gain

[visual badge]

why not go longshot

[tall torrent]

longshot is abysmal slop

+0.6% dmg at 13m

[visual badge]

my abysmal slop

it opens up for volley adept

[tall torrent]

volley adept not worth spending 1 point on slop

[visual badge]

I've kept up exe stance for 2 minutes once

just because of volley adept

the reload speed is really good

[tall torrent]

tac reload is more intuitive most of the time and allows u to take one motion on ur way there (way way way better than longshot despite being overall mid)

[faint beacon]

Drop Exploit, and WS and you SHOULD probably either go down FT or MF

I suggest FT seeing its easier to work with vs MF

[visual badge]

yeah but you have to reload with ammo

my vet ass won't count

[tall torrent]

on a helbore when are u not reloading with ammo inside gun

[visual badge]

ok helbore yea

[tall torrent]

it's not a boltgun

[visual badge]

but any other gun

[warm bolt]

[visual badge]

nah but fr double barrel with longshot

[visual badge]

I killed snipers from 50 m with it

insane value

[tall torrent]

not worth

[visual badge]

hater mindset

[tall torrent]

that's the min pellet count doing its job

[visual badge]

thats the blessing of the emperor guiding my aim

[warm bolt]

Got it, thanks a lot!

Will have to get used to not being to yell my way out of problems but oh well

[tall torrent]

I think marksman focus actually a good pick for helbore

[visual badge]

it really is

[tall torrent]

because ur gonna snipe with it in the first place

[visual badge]

you can practically oneshot anything with 10 stacks or more

[tall torrent]

agile engagement also super strong with helbore IIIa / V

but that's 3 points down

u don't have to take twinned blast if u don't feel like it

[visual badge]

wait hold up

twinned blast is apparently good now?

I thought it was waste of a point

[warm bolt]

I played with it a lil and i quite liked it with shredders

If i had 2 extra points i'd also take the extra nade

[tall torrent]

think of it this way

36% chance to activate whenever u throw 2 frags for +65% bleed dmg to everything the explosions hit

(yes that's actually how it works)

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-liar-star-wars-lying-gif-8634649

[tall torrent]

1.168% chance buddy

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[visual badge]

sure shredder

but I count shredder more as "stun everything" button

[tall torrent]

yea it's for frags only

[tall torrent]

due to how bleed stacks function

12 stacks of bleed is ~400% dmg of 6 stacks

and 16 stacks of bleed is ~165% dmg of 12 stacks

[visual badge]

still 20% tho

[tall torrent]

no it's 36% every 2 throws

u have to look at it with probability

[visual badge]

god I love gambling

[tall torrent]

80% chance to not activate
for both throws to not activate that's 64% chance

so 36% chance one of them activates twinned blast

[hollow ibex]

do it with smokes

[visual badge]

I still feel like I'd rather put that 1 point somewhere else

for ex like field improv

best perk in game

💪

why gamble for extra grenade

when you can spam more

[uncut pebble]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jClBUmXyrZvt_ryKS?invite=cr-MSx5SkIsMjY5OTA3MzMzLA

@wicked cedar @supple laurel

Dont mind me, vets, zealout chat is still being oppressed.

[visual badge]

I aint want no priest talk over here

[supple laurel]

LMAO

[uncut pebble]

I always somehow get a front row seat to watch Lumii fling himself off the map.

[tall torrent]

grenadier is 2 point cost for most builds
twinned blast is 1 point cost for potentially more value

[visual badge]

I wasnt talking about grenadier

and I mean having 4 grenades is overkill with demolition stockpile

[young grove]

btw is it good to bind tag stuff to left click?

[visual badge]

no

[tall torrent]

no

[visual badge]

it's a good way to get blocked by most players

and bad idea if youre going focus target

[young grove]

hmm i will move it to alt probably then

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-drumpf-trump-stupid-gif-6220235

[hollow ibex]

i'm lazy and just use an auto tag mod

[tall torrent]

it's a great idea if u want to get told "slay thyself"

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/kys-keep-yourself-safe-low-tier-god-gif-24664025

[young grove]

was doing in in vermintide so idk if its good in here or not

[narrow frost]

not anymore

[visual badge]

pretty sure you cant in vermintide

I think theres a delay

[narrow frost]

no delay in VT

changed it

[tall torrent]

unironically not overkill, for havoc at least

[narrow frost]

already met like 5 ping spammers

in the last 2 days

[visual badge]

idk I dont play havoc

[narrow frost]

its so bad

[visual badge]

I dont have anyone to play it with nd i'd have to grind it up

[hollow ibex]

even outside of havoc, 4 frags is sooooo good

[visual badge]

pocket poxburster next grenade

ogryn should have the ability to grab an exploding poxburster and throw it at the enemies

[uncut pebble]

You don't have to grind. If you join someone that has h40, you can be queued into it and, if you clear, you'll be at h40 when reset rolls around.

I jumped from 20 (from the auric maelstrom clear) to 26 to 34 to 40 in the span of like 3 weeks.

And that was because I was putting off even touching havocs because fading light is icky.

[wicked cedar]

lmfao

[tough tiger]

I LOVE FADING LIGHT I LOVE FADING LIGHT

Give me more endless blobs of carapace

[void dragon]

has someone delved its builds using field improvisation? i know is not meant to be used all the time but would want to have a pair that use it

[tall torrent]

Just put it into any build that has at least 1 free point

[agile forge]

Plasma builds tend to be very cheap on points so they're a good candidate for it

[hollow ibex]

which will literally never happen

[tall torrent]

Happens quite often tho

Most good veteran builds have 1-2 free points

[hollow ibex]

not for me

ok it's prob because i've mostly been doing ES + WS builds recently

[tall torrent]

Unless u play like recon onslaught it’s not that stretched for points

[tame void]

No

[void dragon]

ty, will take a look on it

[obtuse elm]

What perks on bistol

[slow sky]

ohhh nooooo

[austere mica]

Icky, gross

[uncut pebble]

That man will be corpse starch soon, don't worry.

[faint beacon]

it only gets worse Cole

[cloud thunder]

Nice blessings

[umbral scaffold]

So does getting hit by explosions and pox hounds count as melee damage for the On overwatch penance?

[slow sky]

explosions no, pox hounds yes (if you took damage)

[umbral scaffold]

Great

[tall torrent]

I can help u with that

There’s a cheese method for it

[umbral scaffold]

What's the method?

[tall torrent]

U jump off the map and die at the start

I speed run through the level

And extract at the end

[umbral scaffold]

Wasn't that patched?

When was the last time you did that?

[narrow frost]

I did it yesterday

[tall torrent]

Like 2 weeks ago

[narrow frost]

wasnt patched

[tall torrent]

If u want I can get on and do it rn

[umbral scaffold]

Sure

[tall torrent]

Alr

Give me like

5mins

My dad is playing a tower defence game with my steam acc

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[narrow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/bloons-monkey-ninja-kiwi-bloons-tower-defense6-btd-gif-18355981

let him pop loons

[tall torrent]

ok I'm getting on

[steep flower]

I remember i did it legit

[tall torrent]

what's your fatshark friend code

@umbral scaffold hello?

[umbral scaffold]

My code?

[tall torrent]

yea

[wicked cedar]

[tall torrent]

social -> find player -> find on left a 10-digit code

[supple laurel]

ew furry!!!! 🗣️

[umbral scaffold]

7968518739

[visual remnant]

Downvote

[wicked cedar]

frowny frown

[rigid rover]

yo is chainsword or energy sword better?

[tame void]

Probs energy sword?

Idk still worse than dueling saber

[calm shard]

chainsword is actively bad, power sword is very good

[cloud thunder]

Friend told me psword is actually bugged

The losing charge on hit is not intended apparently

[rigid rover]

fr?

[rigid rover]

fr?

power sword wors than dueling saber?

[calm shard]

yeah but not by a lot like some other weapons

[cloud thunder]

I love the psword

Just takes some adjusting to get used to the charges

And hopefully they fix it

[calm shard]

power sword does a hell of a lot better into crowds and small elite groups than dueling sword, but it's very slow and clunky

[cloud thunder]

Achalys is p fast tbh

[calm shard]

dueling sword is a lot safer, and better into those god awful enormous mixed crowds that show up every once in awhile

[cloud thunder]

Just the activation is clunky

But you get used to it

[umbral scaffold]

Yea I got it, thanks

[tall torrent]

fix what

[tall torrent]

no, it's intended

getting hit = combo reset

power cycler applies extra energized attack to current combo

[cloud thunder]

That’s not what my friend with 1.5k hours said. They said fatshark acknowledged it’s not intended

They just never got around to fixing it

[tall torrent]

nah if that's not intended then it's not a power sword problem

it would be for every single weapon

they designed melee hit-stun with the intention of resetting combos

[cloud thunder]

No im talking about the holding charge

[terse idol]

I really think PS losing charge on a single hit is just a curse of old fs design

I'm holding by it

[visual remnant]

Id lvl up ur psword to max mastery via sacrifice to get ps 4

Pc 4*

[tall torrent]

yea, the charge is applied to the current combo

[terse idol]

It takes a knock back to turn off the relic sword

[visual remnant]

Wouldnt bother otherwise

[tame void]

Rapier is probably the best melee on all human classes rn

[tall torrent]

it's lost when current combo is lost

which is when u get hit

[visual remnant]

Definitely the best melee

[tall torrent]

it's intended

[cloud thunder]

And that’s not intended

Fatshark acknowledged it

[terse idol]

Well rapier on vet

[cloud thunder]

So idk what you want me to say

[tame void]

Uh

[terse idol]

I don't know how good dueling sword is on psyker

[umbral scaffold]

What was your build for zealot?

[visual remnant]

Amazing

[rigid rover]

dang

[tall torrent]

acknowledged is "ok we know, we'll communicate to see". it's not "ok we see this is a bug"

[visual remnant]

Dueling sword is busted on everybody

[tame void]

Its good, on all classes than can use

[terse idol]

But it was seemingly more balanced for psyker at first

[rigid rover]

how is rapier so good

[terse idol]

Its just OP on vet

[visual remnant]

Crit and uncanny

[tame void]

Psyker was the only class that could use it

[terse idol]

Yeah

[bleak cradle]

I guess finding the post where they said it is a bug. Them saying “acknowledged” on their forum doesn’t mean it is a bug

[visual remnant]

Two shot crushers

[rigid rover]

dang so throw away power sword and start using dueling sword

[terse idol]

Hence why it was balanced only for psyker until they changed it

[calm shard]

It wasn't. Just most people don't play melee psyker if you haven't noticed

[visual remnant]

It can also stagger crushers with a weakspot hit via the special attack thrust

[tame void]

Its op on zealot and psyker as well

[terse idol]

HmmMMMmmm

[narrow frost]

it never was

[rigid rover]

it doesnt look cool though 😦

[calm shard]

Also for most of the time that the dueling sword was on psyker in its overpowered state there were bigger fish to fry

Like the Illisi

[tame void]

This literally doesn't make sense, it wasn't just "balanced" for psyker, is just no other class but psyker could use it

[tall torrent]

meme build

[terse idol]

well

In theory

The weapon would only be balanced for builds that the psyker used

[calm shard]

Dueling sword was very much not balanced on psyker, but the Illisi was overpowered at the same time as it, and melee psyker being a broadly unpopular playstyle meant nobody really cared

[tame void]

🤓

[terse idol]

That's what I'm saying

[bleak cradle]

Dueling sword was OP on psyker. Even after the nerf

[terse idol]

OKAY

I'm okay with being wrong

😌

[tame void]

Does the punchline come with the ogryn rework?

[terse idol]

I mean that much yeah

I hope

[tame void]

Tldr, right now, rapier is the best melee on all classes but ogryns

[calm shard]

eh

rashad is arguably better on vet

[tame void]

Bruh

[calm shard]

you get similar breakpoints, and much better horde clear/stagger

dueling sword good for grenades though because uncanny strike applies to bleed

[tall torrent]

one of the best, not "the best"

[tame void]

Id say the best

[tall torrent]

nah

[umbral scaffold]

This your regular build you go with or nah?

[tame void]

Go to havoc 40, see what anyone is using

[tall torrent]

I meme with zealot

[umbral scaffold]

Ah ok

[tall torrent]

yea, it's a super safe melee with zero investment

[cloud thunder]

I use psword in havoc 40

[tall torrent]

it's not "the best" tho lol

[tame void]

What's the best

[tall torrent]

depends on class?

[tame void]

What's the best on each class

[tall torrent]

relic blade scales far better into density for zealot

[tame void]

Lol

[tall torrent]

on veteran, axe is better

[tame void]

Lol

[tall torrent]

what's the point of u asking if ur not gonna respect answers lol

[tame void]

What about psyker

[tall torrent]

psyker deimos/knife/DS, can go any

[tame void]

I just said lol, I didn't not respect

[cloud thunder]

Psyker has 3 good options

[tame void]

Lol

[cloud thunder]

FGS, force sword and DS

[bleak cradle]

DS is best on psyker

[cloud thunder]

Can’t go wrong with any of them

[calm shard]

do you know what lol stands for?

[tame void]

You also have a really cool pic with a dolphin, so you don't count

[tame void]

Yes

[cloud thunder]

🤔

[bleak cradle]

If you think deimos/knife are anywhere close to ds on psyker I can’t help your wrong opinion

[narrow frost]

mb

[tame void]

He said that, not me

[narrow frost]

wording

[calm shard]

You know I get the distinct feeling someone who is actively working on a steam guide, and working on updating it to include every possible breakpoint from talent combinations for one of the most breakpoint intensive classes in the game, might have a bit more information to work with on their opinions than you

[cloud thunder]

Who said knife

[tall torrent]

nah it's fine

I'm ok with others having different opinions

[tame void]

Uh, some dude above

[tall torrent]

as long as they're mainly fact based

[cloud thunder]

I mean

Numbers can only get you so far

[tall torrent]

I think knife utility is pretty high for psyker given u usually don't need to melee that much, and psyker never runs into stamina problems

[cloud thunder]

“Feel” is also important

Each player has different playstyles

[bleak cradle]

Knife is for mobility on psyker. Deimos is just a worse ds outside of having deflector

[tall torrent]

yea, I can totally get why he thinks DS is the best melee for psyker

[bleak cradle]

Knife can work. Not like I am saying it is bad

[cloud thunder]

I use knife on auric vet because I like the movement

[tame void]

Just because YOU can make it work with something doesn't mean is good or better, it means you're good. I'm sure there are ogryns doing havoc 40, but he still the weakest class

[tall torrent]

I do not agree with DS being the best for veteran and zealot tho

[calm shard]

the ability to block bullets in a game mode where the most major threat is being shot to death

[bleak cradle]

I don’t think that either. Only for psyker

[wild vortex]

is this workable if I have no other GS

(can't ask on Zealot because lol)

[hollow ibex]

you'll want to replace it

[tall torrent]

DS on vet basically exists just to run a point-free carapace dps stick because u dumped all talent points on recon / utility

[hollow ibex]

but it's fine if you're broke

[calm shard]

yeah that's really bad

[wild vortex]

for sure, but in the meantime

[calm shard]

it could be worse

[tall torrent]

and DS on zealot is a similar thing, a point-free carapace dps stick because u went chorus and now ur point economy is turbo fked

[wild vortex]

hmmm do i just bite the bullet and blow resources to make one afresh

[hollow ibex]

relic blade is very good, but takes a bit of time to adjust to

i'd try it first if you haven't already

[calm shard]

zealots talent tree is an abomination

[tall torrent]

but realistically speaking if u look at melee weapons as a whole, axe (veteran) and relic blade (zealot) both scale better than DS

[calm shard]

why is chorus the only mandatory 2 point ability in the entire game

[hollow ibex]

because it's so powerful

[calm shard]

all of the crit from their talents is in the right tree, but the crit keystone is in the left?

[tame void]

Id say voice of command is more mandatory than chorus

[calm shard]

how youliterally can't skip chorus being 2 points

skipping VoC toughness is dumb, but you can do it

[bleak cradle]

It’s not. Venting shriek also is mandatory two

[calm shard]

Chorus is always 2 points

because of the suppression upgrade

[cloud thunder]

What about psyker dome

[tall torrent]

numbers can actually go very very very far, and everything "feel based" in this game is ultimately number crunching, just not visible to the avg person

[tame void]

Not grabbing voc toughness should be considered griefing

[narrow frost]

its not

[tall torrent]

for example, I'm not gonna include atk chain time values for melee in my guide

(I'm lazy)

[narrow frost]

Pretty please

(idc)

[bleak cradle]

Who uses becalming eruption only?

[tall torrent]

but I would bring up stuff like
this weapon's X attack can/can't be block cancelled early

[narrow frost]

you misunderstood

that center node you have to take

to path through book

[unreal nova]

Melees for other classes as well?

[narrow frost]

no node to path through

[tall torrent]

If I feel like it

[bleak cradle]

Ohhhhh gotcha. I get it

[tall torrent]

(maybe?)

but I also have highly controversial opinions on some weapons

[narrow frost]

Shovel not S tier

[tall torrent]

I finished all ranged weapons' sections today

[narrow frost]

Nice

[unreal nova]

You mean autopistol is good for suppression?

[tall torrent]

I actually went to check after exploits brought it up

I put reaper-stagger breakpoint into ranged weapons

(not many can do it)

[unreal nova]

Ah.

[tame lodge]

(there are better)

[tame void]

I understand now, but in all fairness, you probably want to take that node anyway even if you had a choice

[narrow frost]

Okay

but doesnt change that its a 1 point tax

[tame void]

True

[wild vortex]

I'm going to take my terrible GS into an auric

And nobody can stop me

[hearty panther]

strictly by 'suppression' number, the accatran fireshot is the 'best in the game', but that's really not painting a full picture

the shotgun, i should say

suppression is always going to be determined by suppression + rof + on-kill suppression values wherever relevant

blessings as well, with pinning fire being pretty obviously primo for the shredder

[sleek garden]

full auto bolter scrambles gunlines very fast

[hearty panther]

graia BAG also gets pretty up there but the obvious downsides are a) youre gonna want to brace that bitch or you're just taking a worse Vraks BAG b) bracing immediately tanks all your movement potential and c) it doesnt draw instantly like the SAP does

[sleek garden]

i found the mid tier braced auto to be very good at suppressive fire

more than the fast one

[wintry cove]

what does suppress 750 enemies using infiltrate mean i thought infiltrate was a stealth ability chat i’m dumb

[hearty panther]

yea but losing out on 50% extra ammo for a 20% flat DPS gain when not bracing is ... ehhhhhhh

[sleek garden]

when you exit stealth you suppress and stagger enemies around you

[hearty panther]

actually not even 20%, 15%? i forget

[sleek garden]

so like

if you actually use infiltrate to infiltrate

the gist is to use it sprint up to a bunch of shooters and open fire

[wintry cove]

Ohhhh

[hearty panther]

and yeah infiltrate suppresses when you exit it

[sleek garden]

and they all run around in a panic

its pretty fun actually

[hearty panther]

if you do it in the psykhanium youll get an idea of what that means

when you pop out dudes duck

[sleek garden]

especially with terrifying barrage

[wintry cove]

thank you

i’m sorry guys

[hearty panther]

it also instantly stacks up pinning fire if you have your gun out

very funny

[wintry cove]

yall got any good infiltrate builds im a voice of command causal

[hearty panther]

basically the same thing tbh

[wintry cove]

Hm makes sense

[hearty panther]

just wait until youre actually taking toughness damage before ulting to take advantage of the instant refill

and play more selfishly

you wont be splashing gold toughness to the team so you dont need to focus too hard on being around them constantly

besides, you wanna finish the penance anyway

[sleek garden]

take smoke and go down left tree

[hollow ibex]

this is what i use

[sleek garden]

i mean right

dont listen to me

[hollow ibex]

very fun

[sleek garden]

mine was riskier than this

[hearty panther]

id swap that center +25 toughness node into the +30% damage node on infiltrate

just cause its global damage

so your shredder grenades do funny things

[sleek garden]

i didnt even take a infiltrate modifier

[hollow ibex]

but it's only 5 sec 🤔

[hearty panther]

yea but the bulk of the grenade damage is front loaded

[hollow ibex]

true

honestly tinkerer and twinned blast aren't necessary either

so those could be considered flex points

[hearty panther]

and yea the +25 toughness isnt necessary either really

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[sleek garden]

throwing an overhand nade breaks cover so you can do that for 30% damage grenades

[hollow ibex]

so consider this build having 3 flex points

[sleek garden]

also infiltrate vet is actually pretty fragile

[hollow ibex]

i take the tdr modifier

[sleek garden]

so be aggressive but not stupid

[hollow ibex]

because it's voc at home

[hearty panther]

oh you do

yea dont recommend it over the uh

[hollow ibex]

i know low profile is better lol

[hearty panther]

uh

yeah that one

[hollow ibex]

but trying to a bit less selfish in my playstyle

because some teams just can't handle the funni skill check button

[hearty panther]

i mean imo if i was very keen to take the TDR

then i'd wiggle the tree to take the double ult

[sleek garden]

its not selfish to have the gunners ignore you while you chop them to ribbons

[hollow ibex]

honestly the TDR is pretty fucking good

[hearty panther]

oh yeah

i mean its 50%

but 100% is better (not getting hit at all)

so its a rough sell

[hollow ibex]

i don't mind too much personally

[hearty panther]

plus you'll already be rocking 75% by default cause iron will

so its all rather goofy

[hollow ibex]

hence the "voc at home"

[sleek garden]

this is what i did

with a braced autogun with terrifying barrrage and stripped down

either a chainsword or devils claw

[wild vortex]

ok 1. that was a bad idea, 2. I don't like the GS moveset

is it something you HAVE to use powered up?

I felt without power up it was just shit

[sleek garden]

huh

the zealot one?

[wild vortex]

yes

[sleek garden]

it works fine even unpowered

[hollow ibex]

nah, it's not like vet ps

[wild vortex]

idk I was very whelmed by it unpowered

[hollow ibex]

kinda cursed ngl

[hearty panther]

which mark did you use

[sleek garden]

the moveset is confusing at first but if you practice it feels much better with both marks

[hollow ibex]

it took me like a week and a LOT of practice to learn the relic blade lol

[dry cloak]

Il would take kraks to fill any gaps in armor killing

[hollow ibex]

i'm bad at this sort of stuff

but it's very good

honestly i think it's better than fgs

[hearty panther]

i fucken love the mkii personally

[tall torrent]

cranial + wrath/rampage

[hollow ibex]

i use the mkx

[hearty panther]

rampage + heatsink is my guilty pleasure

[sleek garden]

i think the redeye relic's easiest pattern to learn is the horde clear pattern

[wild vortex]

X

[sleek garden]

but when you spectate people they just sling all lights

[wild vortex]

I just wanted brain off light spam for hordes

[sleek garden]

for everything

[hearty panther]

yea none of the swords are completely brain off, but the X is probably the closest

[sleek garden]

if only they knew they could go light light heavy heavy

[dry cloak]

Mk2 relic blade is the more complicated one

[hearty panther]

theyre both pretty complicated is the truth

[hollow ibex]

well the single target is pretty braindead let's be real lol

[sleek garden]

to be honest in terms of looks the red I is the best

[hearty panther]

but id wager the mkii gets you slightly further for putting in the time

[hollow ibex]

it's just that one has more complicated horde, the other has more complicated single

[hearty panther]

personally i find the light 3 on the MKX fucking annoying

[hollow ibex]

oh i really like it

[hearty panther]

that poke seems to come out of nowhere and just fuck me up

[hollow ibex]

mid horde clear i use it to poke a rager in the face

[hearty panther]

if im deliberate i can chain the heavy heavy l3 repeat but