veteran-class

[terse idol]

DS with like Heavy Attack 1, into special attack is insaanne

[warm bolt]

Give them the ol' mad jack special

[terse idol]

Bringing two anti-armour weapons ain't bad

[tribal tangle]

Best way to deal with bulwarks is just to dodge when they do their opening swing. They do big swing and leave their head open if you get to the side a bit.

If you hit with DS special you can basically stunlock it from there

[austere mica]

It doesn’t give me a right but it does give me a reason

(Grey names with suspect advice = zero tolerance)

[gritty delta]

What a ray of sunshine you are jackass.

[tribal tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-the-dark-knight-here-we-go-the-joker-gif-15343519

[errant carbon]

It's not a question of playstyle, unless you're using the Mk5 Dueling Sword

[austere mica]

Unless it’s fuckin azrael who wiped their name from existence because they got doxxed I generally try to supersede questionable advice from people new to the server as quickly as possible

[errant carbon]

No other melee weapon is as strong against armor while also being extremely safe and extremely brainless (in the case of the Mk4)

[austere mica]

Wait I started writing a different comment halfway through that

It’s only 10 why am I dying

Anyway

[gritty delta]

I remember now why I don't chat here anymore. If nobody likes your playstyle, you get flamed.

[narrow frost]

I care

[austere mica]

I deal with enough people who get misinformed and then have to iron said preconceptions put that I try to respond quickly instead of kindly

[wise wren]

Trying to run gun stance combat ability my loadout atm is dueling, recon

[austere mica]

And that comment didn’t come across as playstyle, more as a recommendation for a complimentary tool that would have ended as highly redundant

[quartz nymph]

Can I link my WS build for some pointers/suggestions to optimize?

[atomic void]

lmao just shake hands this such a nothing burger dispute

[austere mica]

Yeah I have nothing better to do

[atomic void]

u must dark the tide

[austere mica]

(That is a lie I am just a lazy bitch)

[wise wren]

Also for Executioner Stance do you want hoarde clear or weapons that can deal with ogryns and spec enemies better

[tribal tangle]

@quartz nymph yes

[austere mica]

Exestance is specifically a sniping aid

Recon works very well, I remember you saying you used it

[void dragon]

@austere mica have made some adjustments to some builds I have, giving the rashad axe some spots, going to sleep but wanted to thank you for sticking around with your suggestions mate, thanks.

[narrow frost]

your welcome

[hollow ibex]

exec stance is a weapon draw time aid

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[wise wren]

Yeah might be struggling atm since im running the ogryn missions and its not properly upgraded yet nor am I level 30

[austere mica]

Recon isn’t the weapon to fight ogryns with, that’s for your dueling sword

[wise wren]

wait enhanced target priority if an ally kills said enemy does that extend my duration?

[austere mica]

There is literally nothing better at it

[austere mica]

No

[wise wren]

: (

[tribal tangle]

You can use it on bulwarks if you actually hit the head, but yeah DS is your anti armor.

[austere mica]

Dueling sword happens to be literally the best weapon in the game

It needs kneecapping

[tribal tangle]

Yep

And buff a lot of the other human weapons while they're at it

Make taxes better pls

[atomic void]

buff shotguns

[austere mica]

Old weapons balance pass is up there with zealot tree rebalance for me

[wise wren]

im assuming out of these counter fire is the best option?

[atomic void]

do not mess with my busted crit iod zealot build

[quartz nymph]

So this is it. I do really want to use the iag for aesthetic purposes, but I'm open to suggestions.

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e190cea-5b0e-455b-81d8-529d8cb14506/so-i-married-an-axe-murderer

[austere mica]

For recon, yes

[wise wren]

Deadass I hate vet builds but anytime I try to look into them every single build is Voice of Command, Krak and weapon specialist most of the time

[slow sky]

im trying

[atomic void]

love playing with an exc stance vet because bro handles all annoying ranged elites as fast as humanely possible

[tribal tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/reee-pepe-frog-angry-angery-gif-18421495

[austere mica]

Don’t take ability regen on curios and you probably shouldn’t take weapon spec for an autogun

[tribal tangle]

Balance patch pls

[austere mica]

Stop looking on Gameslantern then, all the good builds have like 2 likes

[quartz nymph]

Gotcha. What would recommend instead? Stam regen? Also I'm open to other ranged options. I was thinking revolver or double barrel

[austere mica]

Stam regen is fun yeah

[tribal tangle]

Always prepared is a lot better on things like revolver and double barrel shotgun

[slow sky]

well cuz 2 of those 3 are busted and kraks are just free boss damage (the average vet player doesnt know how to fight them normally)

[austere mica]

I still need to learn how to slam loop pogryn and cspawn

[wise wren]

Recon Las gun btw what MK?

[quartz nymph]

Revolver might edge out double barrel since i can hit distant targets

[austere mica]

That’s the funny part

[tall torrent]

I got smth fun for u
exe stance boltgun

[austere mica]

Dbarrel is a sniper

[slow sky]

dbarrel snipes

[tribal tangle]

Revolver is one of the most broken guns

[slow sky]

should i pull up clips of it doing so

[austere mica]

Min pellet count + Flechette cause running weapon spec

Easy 50m sniper kills

[quartz nymph]

okay if we're sniper with double barrel that might be the move

[tall torrent]

different purpose

DB specializes in mixed horde deletion

[tribal tangle]

Also gunner squad deletion with manstopper

[tall torrent]

revolver is more "do everything"

less specialization

[tribal tangle]

Revolver is duelling sword for guns

[austere mica]

Revolver is incapable of 20 kill scatters every 3 melee kills

[wise wren]

would work yeah but im already on DS and I wanted something just a but more hoarde cleary

[atomic void]

how tf
any speicfic blessings or is it just base weapon range?

[wise wren]

Also anyone to this pls

[tall torrent]

axe

but axe doesn't fit into boltgun build

[tall torrent]

VIc or XII

[quartz nymph]

So with this build, and I'll probably swap back and forth from caxe to knife ever so often, what perks+bless on the dbl barrel? Flak+Maniac and?

[austere mica]

I see fucked up smelter complex lighting and expect the other clutch clip

[slow sky]

same game tho lmao

[austere mica]

Yeah I can tell

Mobile discord fucking HATES your clips

They break every 15 seconds and require me to force close the app

Kez being that incredibly Scottish after being very gay in text is still a surprise

[quartz nymph]

This is what I updated it to with yalls suggestions

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e190cea-5b0e-455b-81d8-529d8cb14506/so-i-married-an-axe-murderer

[tribal tangle]

Watch my vet clip

[atomic void]

what blessing do you run on bolt pistol

i have run n gun and puncture and i feel like it could be better

[austere mica]

Surgical + something

It’s probably lethal prox

[austere mica]

Or DA

[tribal tangle]

I think mine is surgical puncture? I can't remember i haven't used it for a minute

[slow sky]

gunner resist bad btw

[wise wren]

Whats the diff between the two

[hollow ibex]

puncture + lethal prox

[hollow ibex]

XII fires really fast, but has slow draw and slows you down while firing
VI fires slower, but has better ammo economy

[austere mica]

Btw recon has a really good reload cancel

[tribal tangle]

People use lethal proximity but it seems kinda redundant with shout. I remember now I run surgical deadly accurate yes

[hollow ibex]

bistol surgical kinda sucks

[slow sky]

lethal prox increases grenade radius

thats why you use it

[tribal tangle]

I guess but I probably still won't

[hollow ibex]

it's a pretty big buff

[slow sky]

+25% radius is MASSIVE

[hollow ibex]

and it's not like the other blessing options are good lol

[tribal tangle]

Nades are like an after thought for me, i pretty much only use them for extremely packed groups

I don't run kraks or smokes ofc

[tropic notch]

Mmmmm gunners

[tribal tangle]

I hate fatsharts dumb mechanics

Half of them make no sense

[austere mica]

All of your videos break 9 seconds or so in what the fuck

[slow sky]

thats just discord mobile

[austere mica]

I have to full close and re open

[austere mica]

Mobile hates you more than anyone

[tribal tangle]

Working fine for me on mobile

[tropic notch]

Seeing this makes me wanna run gunner res

Todays the day I take off ability regen

[austere mica]

Also, realistic frag grenade

[tropic notch]

[grand perch]

early morning matches are the best, you get philosophical conundrums like

mixed in with guys like Steiner there calling the game an n-word game and leaving

[slow sky]

WHERE DO YOU FIND THESE PEOPLE

[grand perch]

auric QP is a cesspit!

[slow sky]

it would be so funny to run games with people like this but i never find them

[dry cloak]

got plasma. used it. was fun. gets its place in the collection

my friend constantly complains that he gets shitty ogryns

i only get good ones

[austere mica]

What even was the context to this

[grand perch]

i think he was mad that no one had the range to kill snipers a few times

[dry cloak]

he was playing?

[grand perch]

flame psyker with shriek i believe

[slow sky]

lets see
time to queue into auric QP and see if i get functional people like i normally do (boring) or not

[dry cloak]

thats why you bring ball staff

and shoot big balls

[slow sky]

if he had assail or BB he could deal with the sniper

that tells me that he was using smite and purgatus which is a massive ???

[tribal tangle]

@slow sky just bring me and I'll shoot every barrel you're near and every poxburster you push. Average quickplay shit

[warm bolt]

"Sah, why do you can kill snipers?"

[rustic beacon]

If I have learned anything from QP, then it is that as soon as you see 3+ sniper beams at once, one team mate is guaranteed to go down

[warm bolt]

(It's me, im the teammate)

[faint beacon]

Classic DT

person join, drops racial slurs

leaves

[atomic void]

https://old.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1ie75io/stay_classy_darktide/

lmao

wowie im le good at vidya game pls worship me

[warm bolt]

[tribal tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-dead-chat-plink-plink-dead-chat-dead-chat-cute-cat-gif-11654508771208714785

[wanton dawn]

Good

Chill can be wordless too

[tribal tangle]

Watch this dude get tossed like a sack of potatos

[wanton dawn]

Space poxdog reminiscense

[grand perch]

Right at the start I saw him furiously smiting a lone bulwark so that checks out

[tribal tangle]

Now watch this guy get wombo comboed

[vernal trench]

Holy

[loud belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/bvndit-dead-chat-dead-group-chat-lol-gif-26075659

[tribal tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-chat-dead-chat-gif-11458026997495797759

[stiff glacier]

How i feel after i matador pox hound cleanly with one charged melee hit

[limpid ermine]

Hi Everyone. I'm new to this discord server and discord in general. Any advice on how I would go about trying to find people that can help with various penances?

[tame void]

#vox-lfg-lexicanum

[limpid ermine]

Thanks

[vernal trench]

lmfao no way

[tawny fable]

What’s the dump stat for the plasma gun?

[calm shard]

@tired egret

[mellow adder]

Hey guys! So I wanted to share the talent build I've been running with my Sharpshooter Vet and get some feedback in regards if this seems like a solid sniping build? I mostly run the Agripinaa Shotgun, Zarona Revolver, and Plasma Gun for these talents. This build is pretty fun when it comes to 1 tapping Elites and Specials. However, I was wondering if I should spec out of my Keystone modifiers? Should I be doing something differently for sniping builds? Any feedback is greatly appreciated!! 👍

[grand perch]

That tree is so left leaning I wanna call it tankie

At work rn or I would screenshot my own

[tawny fable]

Holy so specific lmao

[thorn lark]

You're taking a bit too much on the left and not enough in the middle

Also the marksman keystone works better with rapide fire weapon. You just spray at head level. Doubling down on sniping is not good. It has diminishing returns.

[uncut pebble]

Run this with plasma. It's a very breakpoint intensive gun. Need specific damage thresholds to make it work well.

[thorn lark]

You're losing too much by staying in the same lane

[uncut pebble]

Could change field improv to whatever you want, like demo team or whatever.

I'll post what I've got for my plasma in a min, can't recall the perks off the top of my head, but blaze away + gets hot is BIS for blessings.

I want to say it's flak maniac.

Also, both combat shotguns and revolvers work best with weapon specialist and the always prepared node.

Guaranteed crits after 3 melee kills is peak.

[thorn lark]

And rashad with BM is often doing 4 melee kills

[uncut pebble]

Another thing, boltgun scales better for sniping than plasma does.

Exe stance boltgun allows you to drop any target short of mutants, maulers, and ogryns, in one shot.

[calm shard]

exe stance helbore drops them all except crushers

helbore W

[uncut pebble]

Yeah but then you're running helbore and that thing is icky.

[calm shard]

I want a helbore bodypillow

psyker helbore when

[thorn lark]

Bolter Psyker when

[uncut pebble]

Boltgun psyker would be absolutely balance shattering.

[thorn lark]

Ohhh yeah

[uncut pebble]

Cavalcade + the 37% or so crit chance from scriers and the 100%+ damage bonus that scriers and DD are capable of...

[calm shard]

psyker gets bolter but they take toughness damage from firing as their frail noodley arms can't take the recoil

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-well-then-ok-alrighty-julius-gif-14693618

[warm bolt]

[pure kindle]

You can kill those targets with a Plasmagun in ES.

Not always reliably - I live and die by Volatile and Gets Hot - but you sure can.

[raw needle]

the flavor for fgs literally says they're using warp to wield it more easily so no
psyker just gets bolter and gets better handling than other classes 🙂

[dry cloak]

Plasma with ws is kinda fun

[wanton dawn]

Your are playing plasma with ES though

[vernal trench]

Plasma gun with empowered psyonics isninsane

[dry cloak]

I need to try exestance plasma

[vernal trench]

That feels like a waste with how hard plamsa aleeady hits

[dry cloak]

But it can hit harder

[stiff glacier]

Which technique people prefer vs poxhounds: push and hit, side dodge with charged melee hit or just shoot?

[vernal trench]

Literally everything that works

[rustic beacon]

Shooting is the most unreliable and risky. I usually push but when I am reloading and don‘t wanna cancel I just dodge

[vernal trench]

Depends on gun

[rustic beacon]

True

[vernal trench]

I got a bolter so its pretty reliable

shoot thier fat ass and ragdoll them around

[rustic beacon]

Bonus points for the psyker consistently staggering them out of the range of your melee attacks and then letting them run away without killing them

[vernal trench]

Its alwsyd the psyker

[rustic beacon]

It really is

[dry cloak]

Depends on character

[cloud thunder]

Depends. EK/assail is like best counter to hounds especially hunting grounds

[rustic beacon]

True, but it‘s usually purg psykers who keep light attacking them in those cases

[cloud thunder]

Ah yeah

When I run EK, if it’s solo hound…I just right click once then left click for the kill. It immobilizes them then left tap. Always works

But if hunting grounds, I just assail and LMB spam and everything just dies.

[latent parcel]

Ur alive! Thought my barrels did you in.

[wanton dawn]

News of my demise were greatly exagerated

I do have very, very busy workdays

[latent parcel]

Figured you were busy plotting ur revenge on my poor ogryn.

[wanton dawn]

Nah. I forgot

Plotting is too energy consuming

Remind me IG though. I will find a solution

[faint lodge]

Hey guys I’m new to this and I just installed the game last night

[dry cloak]

Play and learn on your mistakes

[faint lodge]

Alright

[wanton dawn]

Do not ask us how we feel about youtuber and you ll be fine

Do not ask why either

[faint lodge]

??? Who

Ah ok

[grand perch]

immediately refunds

[faint lodge]

Played for a bit my brain is fried from it but enjoying it all the same

[tame lodge]

Hey yo
Remember to dodge

🫡

[faint lodge]

Copy that

[rustic beacon]

Yh only 1 advice: don‘t be one of those vets that refuses to switch to their melee weapon

[faint lodge]

Learned that the hard way already 😁

[rustic beacon]

Ah perfect 😄 fighting hordes is a specific rhythm in tide games that (besides attacking ofc) consists of dodging left and right occasionally and using pushes every few attacks. This will mitigate damage you take enormously

[vernal trench]

Frugeruh guy gonna be astounded when he learns i was in a game with practically no gunners

[faint lodge]

Honestly was looking for a new game and heard about this awhile back I just recently seen it was available on PlayStation and I was surprised and wanted a challenge

[sterile phoenix]

Bolt pistol still trash? Or is it usable?

[latent parcel]

ya cuz u were playing malice

[tame lodge]

Hasn't been "trash" for a while

Surgical Deadly Accurate if you're going to hunt heads

Surgical Puncture if your crit doesn't kill the bleed will

Run and Gun Lethal Proximity for grenade purposes

[sterile phoenix]

Shows how long I haven’t played haha. Trying to catch back up

Can you use a shout build with dueling sword + bolt pistol without losing out much?

[rustic beacon]

That‘s pretty meta, so yh

[tall torrent]

Yea

[vernal trench]

Fuck howd u know

[sterile phoenix]

What Stat spread do you want on the bolt pistol?

[unreal nova]

Lethal Proximity and Puncture works for 'nades as well.

[tall torrent]

60% collateral

[sterile phoenix]

Max everything else, got it

Well I’ll put some jank together and post it a little later. Thanks for the advice

[unkempt kelp]

does the ability modifier "marksman" work on melee too?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[unkempt kelp]

alr ty

[warm bolt]

A gunner just completely bypassed my toughness, dealing straight health damage instead

Im gonna fucking break something

[crude arch]

which devils claw sword is best?

[tall torrent]

IV and VII

[light ridge]

Damnation run to the amphitheater, nearly wiped before we dropped down to the first skull...

[soft trellis]

randos find a way to disappoint you

[light ridge]

Been a while since that happened, never had to carry a group on my Scrier's Psyker

[soft trellis]

It happens less the higher the difficulty you play past heresy, but, it still happens

[light ridge]

We did wipe eventually...

[soft trellis]

Oof

[light ridge]

Had to drop for a meeting but I got them to the large square

I'm not confident on my Scrier's Psyker so it's not all bad

[warm bolt]

We got wiped on havoc after clutching a sanctus redactus target + plague ogryn with 2/4 teammates

I just want the fucking cosmetic for havoc 25

[pseudo fiber]

Well that proves you're Dukane's strongest soldier so you will get it

[uncut pebble]

Show me your talent tree and weapons, I may be able to help you improve with it.

[dapper plank]

i feel like no matter how range focused i am, voice of command will always be superior to executioners

[light ridge]

I was running this one:
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e19c66f-35e1-4071-8c0f-ddb64a82c386/scriers-blender
I'm happy with it, but it's a ton squishier than to my Vet builds and I have a lot less play time on my psyker than my vet
I also have a Scryer's build that doesn't rely on Soulfire that I run with CAxe or Shock Maul

[uncut pebble]

There's a lot wrong with this. It'll take me a bit to give a coherent explanation of everything.

[dapper plank]

im testing some numbers, 10% rending gives my lasbore about 20% more dmg, 40% at 20% rending, with both the rending talents.

[light ridge]

Keep in mind that I run it Melee focused instead of Gun Psyker, I am aware that Bolt Pistol isn't the best for Scrier's but it suits my purpose for the ranged slot: Quickly removing long range threats without charge time

[dapper plank]

oh shit, shock trooper + hellbore full charge + surgical never use ammo

[grand perch]

you have found the havoc 40 cheat mode

[dapper plank]

i wont snitch

[warm bolt]

I will

[warm bolt]

Considering i've been hardstuck at 22 at best i dont think i am, in fact, Dukane's strongest soldier

[errant carbon]

Having recently done a mix of high and low level Havocs just to get the helmet, all with randoms via Party Finder, I have to say I had better luck at Havoc 30+ than at 20-30.

[vernal trench]

F

[vernal trench]

Ppl tend to accept only havoc forged or true survivors in high gavocs so odds are a bit better

[quartz nymph]

I did my first autic damnation last night. Went down a few times from poor decision making but it was a lot of fun

[vernal trench]

Biden is that u

[errant carbon]

I guess I was lucky in that I got accepted into a True Survivor run by randoms when I was only Havoc rank 25 or so, and we somehow succeeded

[cloud thunder]

Autic damnation 💀

[quartz nymph]

Damnit lmao

[cloud thunder]

Just Biden stuff I guess

[vernal trench]

Some people just accept whoever lmao

[quartz nymph]

Look alive, Jack! We're making typos!

[errant carbon]

I also have to say, I feel like an absolute imposter having done all the high Havoc stuff on Psyker and Zealot, then taking Vet into Aurics for a change of scenery and falling flat on my fucking face with all my fancy Havoc cosmetics

[warm bolt]

The worst part is i cant even get matches sometimes

[vernal trench]

Lmao but vets pretty tanky tho

[warm bolt]

All are 30+ and the 20-ish ones dont accept me for whatever reason

[errant carbon]

The 20ish ones probably looking for carries. You might have better luck with the LFG channel here than the Party Finder

[vernal trench]

Party finder is rough

[errant carbon]

I guess part of the problem is that I end up playing Vet like a discount Zealot

[vernal trench]

So is lfg here tbh

[vernal trench]

Lmfao yea probably

Shooty shooty

[errant carbon]

Haven't played a pvp game in years (they are bad for the hypertension) so my aim is utterly cooked

[steep flower]

Dollar store zealot

[vernal trench]

Zealot if u shoot a lot

[dapper plank]

what even happens when you have all 3 of these maxed?

[steep flower]

You get diminishing returns

[dapper plank]

oh and i also have 15% aditional reduction

[steep flower]

But its worth it, exept takedown

[tawny badger]

exhil depends on the weapon you're using imo

[dapper plank]

i intend on standing and shooting no matter what 😄 for a long time during events

hellbore atm

[tawny badger]

then fuck no

[steep flower]

The main issue of it is that you take mediocre talent to take it

[vernal trench]

Expensive points

[dapper plank]

just 3 points, it's all right next to super strong stuff

[vernal trench]

I go right side tree

Abd the left

And then right

And then all at once

[steep flower]

Bois dancing

[grand perch]

thats what a boikisser would say

[dapper plank]

a lot of wasted points

[errant carbon]

They stack multiplicatively. Suppose you have two effects that each give 50% toughness damage reduction, you'd get 75% damage reduction

[steep flower]

Hush now

[vernal trench]

Hell yea

[vernal trench]

Its the only way

[dapper plank]

i see

[dapper plank]

all talents are viable on vet tbh, so i chose a side and stay on it. middle all the way to bottom

so i have loads of high value points in the bottom

i've lost faith in the value of ammo aura

[steep flower]

Deadshot

[dapper plank]

ammo aura for 3 points seems not worth.

[steep flower]

Survivalist carries still

[vernal trench]

I choose what fits my build so it snakes around

[uncut pebble]

If youre running illisi, you want flak and your preferred flavor of hated armor for perks, then uncanny and slaughterer for your blessings.

Blazing spirit doesn't do anything, unfortunately, because critting something usually kills it instantly.

Souldrinker only applies to targets that die to soulblaze, not targets that you kill while they are on fire.

You took surety of arms, but not true aim. This will not help you in the long run for damage. Perfectionism is also quite hard to maintain. Purloin providence is a bad node, drop it. Same thing with battle meditation.

[vernal trench]

Its pretty necessary on havocs unfortunately

[steep flower]

Whenever there is a vet with no surv aura there is ammo starvation in the team

[vernal trench]

Outside that u dont need survivalist

[uncut pebble]

If you want my 2 cents on a good scriers build, you run this with force greatsword and the blue recon lasgun.

[vernal trench]

Yea lmao

I played with my gay friend who used scriers gaze with no keystones

It goes hard on havoc

[dapper plank]

actually deadshot seems insane if im just standing there by my team.... good point

im crit focused to now i can shoot much more often for 100% crit

[steep flower]

You get to no stamina

[dapper plank]

indeed, my buddies better protect me

[vernal trench]

I like my stamina too much to use it

[steep flower]

Enemies come and you cant block

All you have is dodge

[vernal trench]

Dont ur stability go crazy once u get no stam on deadshot?

[grand perch]

it goes back to normal

[vernal trench]

A

[steep flower]

Its like amputating one of your legs and then trying to run; you can still do it but its harder

[vernal trench]

Deadshot aint worth it imo

[steep flower]

Deadshot stops working when you get to 0 stamina

[dapper plank]

how can i get back stamina on kill or from friends? so i can keep criting with deadshot

[light ridge]

Blazing Spirit is there for Souldrinker but if Souldrinker only works on Soulblaze kills it is indeed pretty pointless

Surety of Arms is there because the other one doesn't add a whole lot of value either, but faster reloads+bonuses from high Peril is never wasted

[tame lodge]

Focus Target

[steep flower]

The icon stops being highlighted = does not apply no more

[grand perch]

which is BS imo, youre still losing all your stam regen, why do you lose the bonuses that should come with it

[tame lodge]

The left node restores tg and stamina

[dapper plank]

no, you can't skip marksmans focus when focusing range

[tame lodge]

And FT helps with Helbore breakpoints

[errant carbon]

With what weapons?

[dapper plank]

whole point is to keep 10 stacks and just keep shooting even if a few shitters are hitting me, thus the toughness

[vernal trench]

Inferno

[steep flower]

Cause you lose stamina that the node consumes for buff; its like trying to drive a car with no fuel in the tank

[grand perch]

what?`youre missing my point

you still pay stamina. but the bonus stops applying. it shouldnt be this way

[steep flower]

Nobody runs marksmans for a reason

[steep flower]

You have no stamina

[vernal trench]

I like my marksman for my exec stance

[grand perch]

ofc you do. all your stamina regen that youre losing out on

[vernal trench]

Wat u mean

[steep flower]

You consume stamina and thus you dont regenerate it; it works as you would be sprinting constantly and wondering why you dont generate any at the same time

[grand perch]

as long as youre ADSing with deadshot, youre not regenerating stamina. that is a cost. you should get something for it

[vernal trench]

Then wat r u sayin

[dapper plank]

the way i see it, it's worth covering your marksman if that means they can insta clear range units

[steep flower]

The node consumes stamina and fuels on it; no stamina = no benefit and since the consume is contant you dont get to regen passively

[vernal trench]

U dont need deadshot to do thst

[dapper plank]

need deadshot to get 100% crit faster

so i never reload, and do more damage

[steep flower]

Just use surgical for better crit

[vernal trench]

Yes

[dapper plank]

i know, need deadshot to get to 100% faster,

[steep flower]

I have helbore build; it does not run deadmeme, the offset is too severe for the bonus youre getting

[heavy rover]

i use focus target with target down to replenish stamina when I use deadshot

[dapper plank]

i assume you got meele build at the same time then

[vernal trench]

I dont like havibg no stamiba

[steep flower]

You get rid of your stamina and stamina is very important; if you try to reactively block a melee while being at 0 youre done you get stunned

[vernal trench]

Especially if im adsing for half a minute at a time

[uncut pebble]

True aim is effectively a guaranteed crit every time you draw your bolt pistol. You can run deadly accurate + puncture and guarantee whatever you point it at dies because true aim stacks up on melee headshots.

[vernal trench]

Or u just get hit

[steep flower]

You always block 1 hit even at 0 stamina; the aftermath is that you get a stun and your guard is broken

[dapper plank]

do you oneshot 5 gunners in quick succession then?

[vernal trench]

I didbt know that

[heavy rover]

yep

[vernal trench]

That good to know

[vernal trench]

Soumds like a lot of effort for my monkey brain

[steep flower]

Its an option; offsets some of the penalty but its still quite cumbersome

[light ridge]

I'll give it a shot

[heavy rover]

yeah, takes some practice to get used to pacing the pings

[steep flower]

Works on gunners; shooters not so much cause no mark

[heavy rover]

but once you get a hang of it, it does feel quite seemless

e.g. mark one gunner, take the rest of them out, then get the marked one to replenish stamina

[uncut pebble]

Again, I would suggest force greatsword and blue recon with these talents, and work on weaving melee, ranged, and assail together, but ultimately it's your choice on what to run.

[steep flower]

Inbf someone else kills it and it may not give full value but still; quite valid

[heavy rover]

true

and it has the added benefit of also replenishing stamina and toughness of your teammates

quite useful when everyone's neck deep into a fight

[vernal trench]

Wow

[steep flower]

Don’t forget it works with born leader perk

[light ridge]

I like the speed the Ilisi gives me
Brain Burst on hit helps delete things that don't get one-shot by the sword

[dapper plank]

i agree, it's insane, but i want big crits 😄

[uncut pebble]

Force greatsword can comfortably hit crusher 2shots and its plenty mobile. :P

[dapper plank]

in quick succession

[uncut pebble]

Anyway what's this vet conversation about rn?

I see lots of deadshot value questions.

[heavy rover]

like when a boss or assassination mission comes up, I stay out of the main fight and take care of mixed hordes. The rest of the team handles the boss, I replenish their stamina and toughness by pinging the elites / specialists

[dapper plank]

do you take 50% suppression then?

[uncut pebble]

The best way to get deadshot value is to run ilas with ghost and abuse the duck and dive talent.

[grand perch]

+50% suppression thats such a meme node

[tame lodge]

Helbore has low suppression value
That talent won't really help

[heavy rover]

nah, I prioritize taking out the targets as fast as possible so I can quickly ping and take out the next target

[grand perch]

only use case for 50% extra suppression i know is plasma in high havoc

[uncut pebble]

If you, as a vet, like to take the 50% suppression node, then you do not know how to play vet correctly.

[heavy rover]

yeah, I'm usually firing the ilas so much i don't feel the need for the 50% suppression

[tame lodge]

Helby has like 1 suppression per shot and 1.5-3 on kill

[uncut pebble]

You easily have the damage potential to drop elites that can be suppressed in 2 or 3 shots.

[crimson pebble]

shredder auto pistol moment

[uncut pebble]

My green ilas build with deadshot drops a reaper in 3.

[vernal trench]

Most useless gun

[crimson pebble]

fun fact it can take up to 3 mags to drop a pus hardned reaper at hav 40 w an exe stance juiced shredder

[vernal trench]

Lmfao thats hilarious

[tame lodge]

I feel like bro's speaking of experience

[crimson pebble]

i am

[steep flower]

[grand perch]

clearly reaping > shredding

[heavy rover]

have you tried more dakka

[steep flower]

Noteworthy tho; shredder has insane inpact per bullet; sends many enemies on their ass

[vernal trench]

My favorite gun on havoc is definitely electric staff

[heavy rover]

my favorite gun in havoc is the mkiib infantry lasgun ~~because the zealot keeps taking all the ammo ~~ due to its ammo efficiency

[crimson pebble]

flamer

[wanton dawn]

I take it in h40. Fight me

[heavy rover]

madness

but also, respect

[vernal trench]

U suppress me with ur barrels

[wanton dawn]

Tru

Brb am still working

[vernal trench]

Suppress stompty dompty @latent parcel

Blow him

Off the map

[wanton dawn]

Wasnt me on gloriana though

Tf

[vernal trench]

U did it on warren

[wanton dawn]

Probably

[vernal trench]

[uncut pebble]

No, I'll let the cranial parasite reaper that can't be suppressed eat you.

[wanton dawn]

Those are supposed to be dangerous ?

[vernal trench]

Cant shoot me if im invis

[heavy rover]

wait reapers with the parasite can't be suppressed?

interesting

[tame lodge]

Yeah parasite can't be suppressed

[vernal trench]

Cranial makes them harder to be suppressed idk if its entirely immune or not tho

[tame lodge]

Nor affected by zealot chorus

[vernal trench]

U just cant suppress them with book

They get more stagger resistance too

[wanton dawn]

Note that the selling point about suppression is to suppress stuff that you ARENT shooting.

[wanton dawn]

Cuz you know: death is best

[soft trellis]

Them guys are op lol

[wanton dawn]

Also cranial is easiest havoc mod

[uncut pebble]

Parasite grants immunity to chorus, smite, and suppression.

[hearty panther]

uh

not so sure for the smite part

actually very sure smite still works, since it doesn't use suppression at all

[heavy rover]

interesting

guess that means I know who I should prioritize even more so then

[uncut pebble]

I've had reapers still shoot while holding smite on them for 5s.

Warp unbound abuse go brrrr.

[hearty panther]

ah thats because they get increased mass

takes longer for the stun to impact

[dapper plank]

i'm really trying to make shock trooper work 😄 with hellbore

[tropic notch]

I hate cranial because it forces me to take bubble

[crisp oak]

Do you have surgical?

[dapper plank]

can't believe i missed tunnel vision though, that helps massively with stamina when using deadshot

[crisp oak]

Because if so at max surgical stacks you have 100% cc

[tropic notch]

I love my venting shriek

[dapper plank]

yes, but i dont intent on waiting 2 sec to kill each unit

[crisp oak]

Sounds like the helbore might not be what you want then tbh

[dapper plank]

i wanna be a sniper

[crisp oak]

Use an ilas then

[dapper plank]

what's that

[crisp oak]

Infantry lasgun

It has reverse damage falloff

So it does more damage at longer ranges

[dapper plank]

but can it pierce carapace?

[crisp oak]

The reason for using the hellbore is basically using surgical+shock trooper for infinite ammo

[tame lodge]

More mass so the smite ticks are more spaced iirc

[crisp oak]

The hellbore doesnt do that well either

[dapper plank]

that's what im trying to do.

[crisp oak]

Then let your surgical proc, dont waste the point on deadshot

[dapper plank]

i seem to remember someone saying you can oneshot crushers with hellbore.

[crisp oak]

With a highly specialized build with the slowest one

The mk1 or mk3 whatever they call it now does not

[grand perch]

helbore with hotshot is literally armor piercing

[tame lodge]

With a highly specialized build
The mk5 can 2 shot a Crusher

The charged shot has rending against carapace

[crisp oak]

Mk5 is the old mk3 right?

[tame lodge]

Helbores can shoot carapace

[dapper plank]

oh yeah mk5 is much higher dmg on full charge

[tame lodge]

Mk2

[crisp oak]

TF

[tame lodge]

Mk1 is the 3a
Mk2 is the 5
Mk3 is the 4

[uncut pebble]

Frankly I wouldn't worry too much about critmaxxing with helbore. It deals plenty of damage on its own.

[crisp oak]

Why did they do this shit

[tame lodge]

🤷

[uncut pebble]

Deadshot is a waste on it.

[dapper plank]

waaait cleave means you pierce armor?

hot shot

[uncut pebble]

Hotshot halves hitmass on headshot iirc.

[dapper plank]

i assumed you just pierced more targets 😄

[uncut pebble]

That doesn't mean you do more damage, though.

[dapper plank]

does hit mass bonuses also help against armor?

[uncut pebble]

That just means you can hit targets behind the first guy you shoot.

Also, hotshot works on your melee weapons, for whatever reason.

[crisp oak]

But yeah try it out with exec stance

[uncut pebble]

So like, shovel can do funny things, cleaving things it shouldn't be able to, if you run a hotshot helbore.

[tame lodge]

Carapace naturally stops cleave (save for flamers type and stuff like that)

[dapper plank]

no, but if that is how it used to be, they are shit devs for creating this confusion

[crisp oak]

Personally I use the mk1 when I want to be a krieger I feel like onteapping everything other than carapace, reapers, and dreg ragers

The mk4 has a worse bayonet attack that is pretty much useless

[dapper plank]

if they wanted to make the naming fun, they can just call them ''mk2abf'' and mk3cfd''. the confusion of namechanging everything is so far from worth it.

[crisp oak]

But has the most damager per shot

[crisp oak]

Some of the descriptions for guns still mention their old names

[tame lodge]

Here's the hilarious part
Columnus (meta) was renamed to Vraks
Graia (least used) was renamed to Columnus

[dapper plank]

oh fucking god

[crisp oak]

Meanwhile I was out there for a second wondering why my columnus was sucking so much shit

[dapper plank]

the devs prioprities man, in the toilet

[crisp oak]

Anyway, Ilas works for everything non carapace

And is way easier to get working

Helbore is pretty clumsy, but with an exe stance max weakspot/crusher damage, can oneshot/2shot crushers

[dapper plank]

i want my gun to deal with carapace

[crisp oak]

What melee are you using?

[dapper plank]

oneshotting would be very fun

[crisp oak]

Thing is to oneshot you have to use the most cumbersome and annoying one

[dapper plank]

trying new stuff now, usually ds.

trying power sword

[hollow ibex]

it's not that bad

the main thing is always the draw time

which sucks on all helbores

[crisp oak]

No bayonetting the random 5 fucking ragers out of their comboes

Or the dog your team can't hit

[hollow ibex]

yeah the bayonet is just ultra trash on that one for some reason

[crisp oak]

Anyway dueling sword/powersword will deal with crushers better than most ranged weapons

[dapper plank]

surgical fits super well with the slow one tho

[hearty panther]

if you wanna get super sweaty you can quickdraw the helbore even without xstance

its very unreliable though if youre running it with shocktrooper since you need to be missing some ammo in the mag

[dapper plank]

best part of hellbore is the stab 😄

oh no, slow hellbore has no stab...

[crisp oak]

The hellbore setup probably looks something like this

[hollow ibex]

imagine highlighting enemies for your team

[crisp oak]

Possible removing some utility nodes for marksmans focus over tag

[hollow ibex]

tag is the way to go

[tame lodge]

Can't let it kill everything at every range for free 😭

[hollow ibex]

i think MF is only better at 15 stacks

(which makes for aids gameplay)

[hearty panther]

depends on your gun really

[dapper plank]

wtf why would you waste 2 points to get a grenade per 60 sec. so much flat damage talents you skip

[hearty panther]

id say its always worse than FT since FT is at least global damage

[crisp oak]

You mean longshot?

[hollow ibex]

yeah i just checked MF helbore

and i think tag's just better

[crisp oak]

The rending talent?

[hollow ibex]

outside of 15 stacks

[hearty panther]

mf is just sadge

neat idea with no place

[crisp oak]

But yeah the extra shredders is good

[dapper plank]

i will never ever use the slow one, it's meele is awful, half of the reason to go hellbore it so stab things

[crisp oak]

Then 2 shotting on weakspot hit is your best bet

[hollow ibex]

"waste two points"
you mean for the mandatory talent demo stockpile?

[hollow ibex]

nah mk iv is great

one shotting crushers will never get old

i don't need the bayonet that often anyway

[crisp oak]

Anyway dont think I need any of the on ability usage nodes right?

Or longshot to oneshot

[odd sparrow]

grenade regen is really good and can easily be worth the 2 points depending on your breakpoints

[hollow ibex]

man idr, maybe the weakspot node?

weakspot on ulting node

you def have at least 2 points you can spare in that build anyway

[crisp oak]

Yeah in that case the revealing enemies to friendlies can be dropped for it

[hollow ibex]

no need for longshot

that's prob the first one i'd drop yeah

[crisp oak]

Anyway exe stance doesnt fit my hyper aggresive dumbass playstyle so I will continue to just be content 1 shotting crushers with my shovel

And use my hellbore for literally everything else

[hearty panther]

You can xstance in melee.

It's so nice now.

[crisp oak]

NGL I crutch on the stagger of shout

[hollow ibex]

use es to draw helbore to one tap specialist while in melee ✅

[hearty panther]

You have full stagger immunity while xstance is active.

[crisp oak]

Not even the toughness regen lmao

[hearty panther]

Not the same level of safety but very useful

[hollow ibex]

but tbh helbore in general is just a pain in the ass. i'd rather just use bolter

[crisp oak]

Nah as in I run into a crowd of enemies, shout to knock them on their ass

Amd then clobber them with my melee

This is why shout is nicer than book for me

[dapper plank]

what's your build for oneshoting crushers

[hollow ibex]

this is what i use

you'll need 3 stacks of FT, a crit and exec stance with the orange nodes in effect to get the one shot

[dapper plank]

ok i got it, with a very different build.

i feel like it's not worth it

[hollow ibex]

bolter will be more practical, but you can still 2 shot crushers reliably

[grand perch]

all this talk about exec and mf earlier made me upload a fitting h40 match. with heavy ILAS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62J4usyG3xM

||in which i fucking die ||

[dapper plank]

spearhead?

[hollow ibex]

yes

bolter's just way better, though the ammo economy is just mediocre whereas helbore has excellent ammo econ

ngl if i was focused on one shotting crushers

i'd run exec stance revolver

as cursed as that sounds

[orchid hemlock]

bolter is insane with ES

[hollow ibex]

bolter is insane in general, but yeah esp with es

[terse idol]

Isn't like a WS crit and surgical hand cannon mooore to suffice?

But i guess it is like a 2 shot

[dapper plank]

dunno ES

[terse idol]

[orchid hemlock]

Exe stance

[hollow ibex]

on my build this is what i get

with WS revolver

[terse idol]

And you get a 1 shot with just exe and a surgical crit?

[hollow ibex]

2 stacks of FT, with crit and exec stance

ok well that's with marksman as well

without marksman you need 3 stacks of FT

actually, i might just drop marksman

my extremely not cursed revolver build

switched to rending strikes because it meets the crusher 1 shot breakpoint at only 2 stacks of FT (so guaranteed)

[sterile phoenix]

Good stats?

[hollow ibex]

1% off, literally unusable

[void dragon]

bolt pistol can be 60 colateral?

[hollow ibex]

yeah collateral doesn't do anything for it

[void dragon]

will note that to make an improvement on my psyker and vet then

[narrow frost]

[hollow ibex]

i dumped mob on mine but i'm too lazy to roll a new one lol

[pseudo fiber]

props to you for giving the first helbore build I've enjyoed

[hollow ibex]

yeah i should've checked the pins

[sterile phoenix]

Oh found one that got me that 1% XD

[hollow ibex]

lol glad you like it, it's the best i could get helbore to, and i still don't really like it tbh

[austere pine]

where is the servitor colony mission

[void dragon]

any suggestion of a build that has that sniper feel?

[austere pine]

i haven't seen it in weeks

[pseudo fiber]

out of rotation from bugs

[hollow ibex]

helbore or bolter exec stance fit the bill

helbore is prob more a sniper feel, though it's just straight up worse

(than bolter)

[void dragon]

Probably will make it anyway, if just because i have build for bolter and want something that can swap this day

[hollow ibex]

helbore is a good challenge to force you to play differently

[pseudo fiber]

I've enjoyed that build with shockmaul

I hate bulwarks!

[narrow frost]

Hi

As the #1 hater of them

I agree

[pseudo fiber]

I ahven't used shockmaul in ages tho

[sterile phoenix]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9e1a0d43-798e-4513-b831-e90f9b982423

Could use some opinions on this

[wanton dawn]

Besides a nonstandard charismatic that id probably replace with demo team, talent tree seems great

[dapper plank]

fatshark is being mean again

never mind

[hollow ibex]

agile will 100% get you killed when you switch to other melee weapons

[loud belfry]

took me 150 levels to finally get my final 17% toughness on my vet lol

[terse idol]

Remove charismatic take redirect fire

[hollow ibex]

also recommend taking lethal prox on bistol given you're running frags

[sterile phoenix]

Any suggestions on an alternate?

[hollow ibex]

typically people take uncanny + shred/riposte/precog

[wanton dawn]

I find it funny that everyone else value redirect more than target down, while i do the reverse

[hollow ibex]

@tall torrent explained why redirect fire is very good before

[terse idol]

I feeeel like unless I'm taking the extra stacks I'm not using target down to the best of its ability 😭

[sterile phoenix]

Also what's the dump stat on the Machabian?

[faint beacon]

Mobility

[sterile phoenix]

Perks look okay?

[faint beacon]

@sly orchid I totally forgot to show you the unfettered swag that the new Helmet pairs with the Ordo Shop Vet set

[odd sparrow]

yeah 17% are so rare seemingly

[faint beacon]

What are the perks

[sly orchid]

peak

[sterile phoenix]

Flak & Unyielding

[faint beacon]

Yeah that'll do

[wanton dawn]

Its fine. I just think that target down is bonker good

Especially when i play deadshot

[sterile phoenix]

Perks on bolt pistol? Unyielding & Unarmored if going for headshots?

[faint beacon]

Survivability is good with it

Honestly if I have the spare points I try to do Redirect + Target Down

[wanton dawn]

Demo team too

[terse idol]

Potentially elites annddd

Maniac?

I forgor

I'd need to reference my build

[faint beacon]

Elite + Maniac iirc

[wanton dawn]

For bpistol ? Am no expert but id probably go unarmored flak

[terse idol]

Iirc i think puncture fills out your dredge gunner bp

with elite

[wanton dawn]

Am playing havoc so

[faint beacon]

Unarmored isn't necesarry on it which is why you see people usually running something like

Superiority + with like Flakiac

Elite + whatever

[wanton dawn]

Somehow i doubt this is havoc tested

[faint beacon]

as much as I condone of unarmored usage

I see more value out of Elite

[wanton dawn]

Not really my point now, isnt it

[terse idol]

I was speaking on the build in the assumption it was for damnation

[wanton dawn]

Its fine

I only optimize for top diff

Well, "optimize"

[faint beacon]

I wont lie optimizing for H40 is going to be very straining on the brain with how you have to think

[wanton dawn]

I only field test

[faint beacon]

hence why I only really play Havoc once a week

Pub Maelstrom though...

That shit is peak

[terse idol]

Its the issue of h40 pushing for damage past damnation that be hittinngg

Me as I take a h40 build to regular damn

[faint beacon]

See thats the thing

BPs

[terse idol]

But it doesn't meet regular damn bp

[faint beacon]

dont exist on H40

[terse idol]

[faint beacon]

its more about dishing as much damage or being as effective at X role

as possible

[terse idol]

Yeah

And I can see that would break bps for regular damn

[wanton dawn]

I praise h40 for stopping bp hot debate

[terse idol]

H40 just ain't regular gameplay

[faint beacon]

Well the 30% Deduction on toughness and HP total as well

[terse idol]

The game is balanced for 5s

[faint beacon]

as Toughness grace being removed

literally just encourages sticking in a group and taking cover

or dying immediately

[wanton dawn]

Oh well. I need to find a 3rd weapon set i like in havoc

[atomic void]

sit in bubble
shoot and stab
shit in bubble
shoot and stab
sit in bubble
shoot and stab

https://tenor.com/view/roman-reigns-confused-face-really-gif-22568172

[faint beacon]

Im going to keep smashing my head against a wall till the Vigilant Autos work

[wanton dawn]

Maybe i should play zealot too

[terse idol]

Who shitting in the bubble

[faint beacon]

You can do without bubbles just

it then devovles into

[terse idol]

[faint beacon]

Golden up

golden down take cover

golden up

golde- yeah you see the point

[wanton dawn]

Eh, good luck

[quartz nymph]

Tide comes in tide goes out

[atomic void]

all of us when the bomber throws his bomba directly into ze bubble and we're surrounded

[faint beacon]

The Graia 7 has the most promise of them to work in high havoc

but like again

ehhh

[wanton dawn]

For the moment i have plasma/ps, plasma/axe, and bolter/axe

[atomic void]

yeah the few havocs i tried were just golden toughness simulator

[wanton dawn]

Bolter/axe is like, 25% less dmg and crappy for boss. Better snipe/pick potential though

I need to do more ws too. But not having a tag feels wrong

[grand perch]

how much of an issue is ammo? i quite like my ilas build but used vigis for hundreds if not a thousand or so hours. wouldnt mind giving them a spin in h40

[faint beacon]

You kinda have to like play a lot more exclusive to Elite/Special killing

[odd sparrow]

havoc has quite a bit less ammo so high ammo efficiency is quite nice

[faint beacon]

Like I noticed when I did a H38

with the Agri IX

I really only went down to like

200/460

[grand perch]

regular shooters will be a problem

[faint beacon]

and went back up after a bit

[faint beacon]

Why you have your teammates

or shredders!

[wanton dawn]

I still shoot basic shooter with my bolter

[faint beacon]

cause you should always build into Shredder spam on Havoc

[grand perch]

sure, sure. but i dont think ill want to not shoot stalkers etc given their damage output

[wanton dawn]

Also basic shooter are arguably more dangerous than elite shooter in high havoc

[grand perch]

2 psykers in squad might leave enough ammo

[faint beacon]

Yeah recall you're running Surv

if you have a Psyker at all on CC killing melee elites

you'll get ammo back

Shitshow or actual good team

call it

[terse idol]

Good team

Monstro auric maelstrom is only boss killer builds

[faint beacon]

Fucked up DMR I made

its a Graia 7 before you ask

[pure kindle]

This exactly. I wish there were at least like . . . new enemies. Otherwise it feels like Auric Maelstrom's "let's see if you're silly enough to beat this nonsense difficulty" cranked up to "let's see if you're o p t i m a l enough to beat this nonsense difficulty".

[terse idol]

Looks kinda like something you'd make in cod

[hollow ibex]

i tried agri HH again last night, didn't have a good time

[atomic void]

i had fun but only because i played with a fun team in lfg here
i can imagine hating it with randoms

[inland orchid]

Cohesion is optional when it comes to pub gameplay

or at least my pub gameplay it feels optional

[atomic void]

the rare pub where everyone is playing like a team understanding their roles and covering for each other are so peak tho

[inland orchid]

the outlier matches do feel nice

[atomic void]

feel like it would be eaiser if people wernet so mic shy on EU servers

[inland orchid]

just as shy over at US eastern, havent heard someone use their mic in like 5 missions

[quartz nymph]

Is the 3 stacks of ranged specialist the move? To get 6% dmg, 99% crit chance, 10% of your ammo back if you usealways prepared?

[inland orchid]

the buff happens when you swap to your ranged weapon as weapon specialist keystone states

[hollow ibex]

yeah usually that's all you need

3 melee kills, 1 ranged kill, repeat until everything is dead

[quartz nymph]

Okay got it. 3 stabs one shotgun blast repeat

[hollow ibex]

yah basically that's the loop with WS

[fading kayak]

Crazier modifiers I seen combined with this one is either one with pox gas or full darkness

[viral hazel]

I fucking love those mutators combo'd with lights out

Ooo is that a chaos spawn and 2 Pogyrn coming out of the darkness, I hear? They're trapped in here with me now.

[light ridge]

Knife: Precog or Lacerate/Mercy Killer?

[narrow frost]

[tame lodge]

Never lacerate

knife likes weakspots
Lacerate doesn't like weakspots

[faint beacon]

Unless you're abusing rending bleed but thats a different story

and you should honestly play the game more before you do that

[light ridge]

I'll try Precog and Riposte

[summer lance]

why aren't any of veterans helmets closed like this? sorta weird having the FtE 3 helmet not having goggles

[faint beacon]

One of the zealots left but thats how the match went

[light ridge]

No need to patronize, just never really did dagger in Vet or Psyker

[faint beacon]

sheer and utter Weakened spammed the entire match

[faint beacon]

in regards to Uncanny + Lacerate

cause you should probably learn the flow of knife first before doing that blessing combo is what im saying

[grand perch]

i have the power of god and "anime" on my side

[faint beacon]

PussyMucher

what a name

[austere pine]

that is anything but anime

[hollow ibex]

duality of man

[faint beacon]

@narrow frost Y'know ainz its got me thinking about how Recip and Desperado are good on Taxe right

[narrow frost]

yes

[faint beacon]

Im wondering if this actually is drastically

noticeably better

[narrow frost]

no

[faint beacon]

or if its just kinda there

[narrow frost]

it stacks only twice

thats 20% brittle

barely anything

[faint beacon]

Tragic

[narrow frost]

I thought the same thing

[faint beacon]

so fucking tragic

[narrow frost]

plus its from crits

[tame lodge]

Afaik it stacks differently with other sources of brittle

[narrow frost]

2 crits from it should kill anything besides crusher

[faint beacon]

Crit Bonus + recip im like

[narrow frost]

with would take another crit to kill

no BP change

[faint beacon]

hmmmmm maybe the brittleness MIGHT be good

[slow spade]

Brittleness bad, stack suppression

sponsored by Nurgle

[tame lodge]

Only if you bring another 60% brittleness

[slow spade]

Handcannon 😎

[tame lodge]

Thunderous+Pen flames+ exploit

[heavy rover]

use brittlness with the helbore

[jaunty tinsel]

how should i build a dueling sword for havoc?

or at least how do u guys like to build them?

[crimson pebble]

uncanny precog agile thrust are all good options

[heavy rover]

check Hammer of the Emperor vet guide in the pinned messages, shows you a lot of possible options

personally I like running reposte and agile

or reposte / uncanny

[visual remnant]

Blahaj..

[crimson pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/ikea-blahaj-doll-spinning-shark-gif-18118200

[heavy rover]

but in general for havoc I tend to run rashad combat axe

[slow spade]

My power sword doesn't kill fast enough :c

Sad times...

[crimson pebble]

noob self report

[slow spade]

Lol kk

[tawny badger]

the humble push attack:

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-overwatch-come-here-gif-14280244

[slow spade]

Not in Havoc

[tawny badger]

that’s crazy

[slow spade]

Can't 2-hit kill reapers 😔

At least the funny ones

I wonder if its worth testing Infested perk

Probably not? But I can't really test

[light ridge]

Any value in taking Eite Damage instead of Carapace or Maniac? Generally speaking?

[crimson pebble]

depends what weapon

[light ridge]

Dagger, Chainsword, Shock Maul, Bolt Pistol, ...

[tropic halo]

For bolt pistol I would apply perhaps flak and maniacs

[light ridge]

Flak is a given because it helps with non-elites too

[tropic halo]

Is there even a Veteran guide similar like the Ogrynomic? Could be helpful

[narrow frost]

[tropic halo]

Ahh I see now

[crimson pebble]

@visual remnant

[wanton dawn]

Is there even a zealot guide similar to the vet one ?

[narrow frost]

@dorn

oh yeah

[wanton dawn]

Rofl

Probably called furry of the faithful

[hollow ibex]

was dorn's guide ever released?

[tame lodge]

Soon™

So anyways

According to dorn

Carapace on melee is whatever because they (cara enemies) are only 10% of spawns

[wanton dawn]

Thus 50% of the hp

[tame lodge]

💀

[wanton dawn]

I only take cara on no ammo mael

Otherwise i either have a weapon naturally good on cara or i dont

[dense lance]

my blahaj.. oh my blahaj..

[latent parcel]

i only take barrel damage on my ogryn stubber

[peak venture]

Sorry if this is dumb. Where can I go for some build ideas. Or just builds. I have no clue if I'm being helpful to a team or if I'm just the douche that's screwing things up for everyone lol

[wanton dawn]

I think I am starting to see a pattern here...

[latent parcel]

Hey your the one that sent me off the map.

[junior needle]

The best solution generally is to ask here, where it's mostly regular/experienced players and any suboptimal suggestions will typically prompt feedback.

Don't use random gameslantern builds

They're overwhelmingly subpar

[hollow ibex]

insert squad leader build

[junior needle]

But in order to help you, people will need an idea of what you want to use

[wanton dawn]

Insert support build that regen teammate thoughness and help rez ppl

"HEY ! IM LARPING HERE!"

[junior needle]

Hard to go wrong with overshout, I assume it hasn't been touched since I've been gone

[peak venture]

I'll be honest I've been using the revolver and combat axe. Chainsword was fun, but I feel I do more with the axe. I also tried out the infantry lasgun and it was alright. Just to slow for my taste.

[quartz nymph]

Caxe is cool

[dim tiger]

worth buying? i like 420 curios 😳

[tropic halo]

Never again

[dim tiger]

i have 2 420 with 21% hp and 1 with 17% toughness, maybe for collection i guess.. ?

[uncut pebble]

No.

[tropic halo]

1+ wound for veteran is pretty worthless but if wanna you save it on your inventory sure thing

[dim tiger]

[faint beacon]

Veteran its usually like

2 Toughness 1 HP
2 HP 1 Toughness
or a balance mix 3 Stam 1 Tough 1 HP

extremely dependent on how you play

just dont do wounds like

ever

[tropic halo]

Wounds are only used for martydrom Zealots

And that is it

[uncut pebble]

3 stam, 2 17% toughness, fuck hp, fuck wounds.

[wanton dawn]

2 stam for deadshot abuse

[dim tiger]

maybe one day we'll have new skills and Veteran will need wounds

[faint beacon]

Ogryn and Veteran are the few classes

that can get away with Toughness stacking

I will admit that

Also highly doubt it, veteran is in a very good spot it really only needs tweaking/nerfs to the strong shit and buffs or reworks to the weak talents

and that should be a low priority thing

Zealot needs a tree rework badly

Ogryn needs one as well

[tropic halo]

Really all three classes besides ogryn really dont need a change

[faint beacon]

Zealot's tree forces them into like

[tropic halo]

Ogryn desperately needs a overhaul

[faint beacon]

1 strict playstyle with small changes

they need a tree change

[tame lodge]

The Build ™

[faint beacon]

Literally

1 build

I dont know why

[tropic halo]

Overconfident shouties

[dim tiger]

i play martyrdom Zealot and the attack speed bonus feels so low

[tropic halo]

[faint beacon]

well you know what time it is

[willow canyon]

Please fat shark

[uncut pebble]

I think vet needs some point taxes removed, mostly, but that's low on the priority scale.

[faint beacon]

Extremely low priority

everyone else minus psyker

needs touch ups first

Psyker needs mainly nerfs

a few fixes

POTS cough cough

Veteran is like a mixed bag of nerfs and reworks/buffs

[junior needle]

THE BUILD

[dim tiger]

no nerfs pls

[uncut pebble]

They can nerf psyker after they fix the non working talents lmao.

[junior needle]

What happened to psyker

[uncut pebble]

Penetration of the soul literally does nothing.

[dim tiger]

nerfs in a pve game are just dumb unless they are completely game breaking, are they?

[uncut pebble]

Yes, psyker is game breakingly op. Their kit revolves around removing mechanics from the game.

[tame lodge]

Games is full of those game breaking stuff

Nerf it all

[uncut pebble]

Like they legit have a talent that is just better ghost.

[dim tiger]

i thought zealot and vet were the meta

[tame lodge]

[cedar dagger]

If you want game longevity, nerfs are needed if something if completely over tuned.

[loud belfry]

maybe just add enemies that undo psyker's advantages somehow

[uncut pebble]

Zealout and vet are forgiving with mistakes. If you are good enough at the game, you can do silly things with psyker.

For example, in havoc 40, one shooter can instantly down you my himself. Now imagine that you can become immune to bullets for 30s at a time.

[errant carbon]

Well they shouldn't have cranked those mechanics up to 11 in Havoc then