veteran-class

[tall torrent]

I think it’s base model which they didn’t apply color to yet

[terse idol]

Oh!

[pastel pumice]

We need D1 armor designers

[terse idol]

I'd imagine we're gonna hit it for the light blue then

[tall torrent]

Because every official tempestus scion artwork by GW ever has those fancy gauntlets and gloves

But they’re missing here

[pastel pumice]

Those guys made masterpieces

[sacred igloo]

Fatshark I will give you my credit card information and permission to make purchases with it just make a proper kasrkin set so I don't have to be a spirit Halloween version

[pastel pumice]

Maybe Darktide was about the cosmetic combos we made along the way

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/984525651904176209/1260135840705810552/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_Screenshot_2024.07.09_-_03.27.17.61.png?ex=679c7bf4&is=679b2a74&hm=a34a5856f8b490ec668dc6c95ce207c0e42f8db4bf327ef4d385fefc55c8f906&

(This is already released in game)

[sacred igloo]

Ye I don't like the pattern though tbf, I like the look of the kasrkin kill team models for tabletop

That's peak

[tall torrent]

The only missing part is kasrkin’s omni shield helmet

But tbh I think scion helmet looks cooler

Looks like a knight helmet’s face shield

[sacred igloo]

Maybe I should make a scion set that's actually blue like how they are on the box set for the models

Idk why they chose to make it green

[tall torrent]

I doubt DT's scion will be blue

I think the newest killteam scion release is like black & red?

[sacred igloo]

Yeah black and red

Black armor, red cloth, red guns (mostly)

[faint beacon]

You will enjoy the dollar store fit

[tame lodge]

Yes veteran, we see the fit

[dry cloak]

those are the kits i run on vet

depending on the build

[hollow rose]

i hate how 90% of cosmetics just straight up dont match

also, rolling steel is legit a skill check

less than a minute left, boss spawns, and i see im the only one fighting him with 3 people wasting time on 20 walker "horde"

[pastel pumice]

Well?

Did you pass the skill check?

Hoping you did

[hollow rose]

hard to solo auric damnation ngl

[narrow frost]

not really

[hollow rose]

well im not on that level then

[peak tree]

its slow AF is what it is

[narrow frost]

just go slow

[peak tree]

if actiobns required

[narrow frost]

hordes arent on a timer

[peak tree]

Yup, just a horde spawns, step back, kill it, dont progress until room empty.

[hollow rose]

sure, and then train explode

[narrow frost]

timer stops when boss spawns

[peak tree]

It's just so dreadfully slow to do any of it solo. Fun technical experience kinda but eh.

feels like a slog when yoyu need to kill 500 trash to change rooms.

[hollow rose]

it doesnt

[peak tree]

@narrow frost what do you run on your curios these days?

[narrow frost]

3 tough 3 stam regen 3 gunner res

[narrow frost]

one sec

testing

Okay

unless its bugged on my side

timer doesnt go down

while boss is alive

[hollow rose]

literally just had timer go from 70% to team wipe on boss because i was the only one fighting him

what you on about man

[narrow frost]

UI bug?

a classic moment

[hollow rose]

point is

people would have a big ass bar with "TIME TO DEATH" written on it and would still ignore it

[narrow frost]

they play for fun

its a video game

[hollow rose]

those 3 poxwalkers are higher priority

people find a lot of fun in losing

[narrow frost]

some do

you never know

I find it funny

[peak tree]

I get some good pub matches here and there, but they also make me yearn for some good premade groups at times.

Sometimes people are going into auric damnnations to work on achievements and it's like...here? why here?

[narrow frost]

Rule #1 never trust teammates

[peak tree]

I do my achievements, if it will take me out of my role, at lowest difficulty so I know I can do my job and not fuck up someones job.

though even when i warned people, boy did people hate being in a group during smoke grenade achievement :p

but like dude...you're a lvl 30 with the obvious higher end achievements playing in a rank 1 game. you gonna get what you gonna get.

[peak tree]

I've been considering running a stamina with some block efficiency to help for picking up teamates with shit hitting me without as much need to kite for 10 minutes to kill every last thing.

[narrow frost]

dont risk yourself to res others

[tropic notch]

Hardest thing about solos is mutants and trappers

[narrow frost]

only res when safe

its not worth going down

[peak tree]

Yup, I agree. Just adds a bit of a bigger buffer when I think I have a short window. Which is part of the issue.

[tropic notch]

I’ve had runs end because of mutants and trappers behind a horde of curshers

[narrow frost]

there is also so many abilites to help with res

[peak tree]

Like premade groups :p

[narrow frost]

block wont help that much

[hollow rose]

then what are they doing on auric damnation in public lobby

[narrow frost]

playing the video game

having fun

[peak tree]

btw, side question that isn't vet specific. My scoreboard covers my full screen and goes beyond it so I can't actually see which column is who etc. Can I adjust a setting or is there a better version?

[narrow frost]

f5 go to scoreboard mod and toggle off some settings

[tropic notch]

Soloing a dh is easier than dealing with a trapper behind bulwark and trappers

[peak tree]

I sometimes only have time for a match or two. I tend to just do pub.

[peak tree]

Danke

[narrow frost]

I forgot my german

mb

[hollow rose]

I hate the "i play for fun" argument. I also play for fun. It's not fun for me to enter the endgame and play solo in a team game because those 3 guys "dont feel like trying"

[narrow frost]

then find a group with like minded

[unreal nova]

I guess best bet is drop a frag.

[narrow frost]

we're in a server with the LFG channels

[peak tree]

Simple solution then. Don't play pub in auric.

[narrow frost]

easy solution

[peak tree]

The argument is fine, you just don't find that fun.

[tropic notch]

Oops I’m in vet chat sorry I main zealot

[hollow rose]

the argument is in every team-based game i ever played and it's always used as an excuse to throw games

that's my issue

[narrow frost]

then its your issue, not mine

[peak tree]

But if you don't join pubs then it doens't affect you.

[narrow frost]

there is a solution to your problem and you ignore it

suit youself

I dont see the problem

[peak tree]

You aren't arguing against it in any fashion. It's just the equivalent of "Strawberry is that persons favorite flavour, is in invalid argument"

[unreal nova]

Ah, then yeah, pain.

[peak tree]

don't eat the strawberry

they don't affect you if you don't do it, and you dont want to anyway so...dont.

I'd say more of my pub aurics are decent then not, but there's also a wide range.

There's too many teams who think they can just go all different directions and nothing bad will happen.

[faint beacon]

Telling me you don’t willingly play Auric pubs to see some of the most interesting players of DT

[peak tree]

or 2 run away when we have a horde at our back still, then trappers come out and the games over.

[faint beacon]

DT is very much a game you can solo

[hollow rose]

what;s your issue then, they play for fun

[unreal nova]

Why eat what you don't like because it's offered openly, when you can go request specific stuff from other others and enjoy your meal then? (I'm bad at explaining with other things.)

[peak tree]

but I'd say it's still less common than half decent games.

[hollow rose]

why are you complaining

[peak tree]

:p aren't you lovely.

I decide it's worth the runs anyway, and I do it.

You're complaining about a mode you don't even apparently play.

[faint beacon]

Theres a lot to learn to be able to hit that point but you can very much solo Auric

[peak tree]

and I like that it forces me to get better as well.

I dont want every game to be shit, and it's not. But those ones do tend to teach me.

And the good teams show me I'm actually better than I thought, I just sometimes have teams that do no mutual support, shoot bursters at point blank, steal all resources, etc. But those are the exceptions.

If anyones really bad...I just block them. Done.

Like I do to people here on rare occasion as well 😄

[supple laurel]

whats the bolt pistol dump stat

[narrow frost]

[unreal nova]

Collateral or Mobility.

[supple laurel]

ty

[winter sluice]

I usually dump mobility unless I'm playing weapon specialist then I dump reload

[tropic notch]

I think the only way to solo a dh on vet is with a ds that has agile

[peak tree]

I've done it without agile.

[tropic notch]

Or knife mk with uncanny

[narrow frost]

use terrain

DH cant vault

[tall torrent]

Collateral

[narrow frost]

use a box

[peak tree]

and don't like knife personally.

[tropic notch]

The box⁉️

https://tenor.com/view/box-eating-cat-cement-funny-gif-12613445832858149157

[coarse wolf]

lol no

[tropic notch]

How would you

Teach me

https://tenor.com/view/cat-goofy-cat-its-uncanny-gif-16237568065325474459

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/ring-around-the-rosie-gif-21848844

[tropic notch]

I’m so used to ij and just out spacing everything the dh does

[tropic notch]

But what if you’re vaulting over and the dh smacks your ass and you die

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/deadpool-logan-wolverine-vs-movie-gif-10896984958600742655

[river silo]

anyone got the new chestpiece?

mind taking a picture of the hand viewmodel?

[slow spade]

"Get hit" don't do that?

[wise wren]

oh dear this is how the buff shows up?

[heady trout]

any tips for the 2500 kills while at 10 stacks marksman? every time i run that build its just hell having to drag every mission from a fail. spend barely any time witht he stacks 10+

or is it bang head against wall till done

[wise wren]

OOP programming at it's finest 😭

[tame lodge]

Get camouflage
Crouch
Kill stuff with your melee

[slow spade]

This means you can basically be invincible for a short time

Honestly pretty fun

[tame lodge]

Mercantile has a good horde after the wall

[heady trout]

perfect ty

[wise wren]

alrighty anyone have a build for executioner stance?

[quartz nymph]

I used this

[wise wren]

Every single build I see is just VoC 😭

that should work thank

Cause I wanna run The Bigger they Are

[wise wren]

ill prolly run dueling sword but what did you run for horde range

[quartz nymph]

Recon las

The spread has 4 points you can put wherever so I put one into shock troop

[wise wren]

Where does the CC come from for that btw with recon

[quartz nymph]

CC?

[wise wren]

crit chance

[quartz nymph]

I think I had it on my gun.

The 5%

[hollow ibex]

There's also a passive crit node on the right

[wise wren]

oh thats convinient

[radiant sedge]

Really liking that new helmet 😅

[river silo]

ty

[wise wren]

Hey whats the go to MK for recon lasgun

[rustic beacon]

6c and 12

[wise wren]

Diff between the two?

ill run 12 since its first unlock

[rustic beacon]

12 shoots faster than 6c. 6c has better ammo economy, though

[hollow ibex]

12 also draws slower and slows you down while firing

Kinda a big deal

Though brrrrrt is fun

[stone quail]

Was there a preferred pair of blessings for mk III knife? Do I go all bleed, some bleed?

[unreal nova]

You get bleed as a talent and run Uncanny strike and Mercykiller.

Or whatever and Uncanny.

[stone quail]

Vet has bleed in their tree? Or just from shredder nades?

Oh wow it’s right there

[unreal nova]

It's 1 stack on stab.

[stone quail]

oh wow that. Maybe knife just isn’t for this build I can’t justify the points over there while using recon las

[unreal nova]

Can just run Uncanny and something else.

I mean, I can't spare points either on my 'nadier build.

[hollow ibex]

Uncanny and flesh tearer is an option too

Or riposte

I'm not a huge fan of knife though

[stone quail]

See I’ve never really messed with knife. I think my favorite sorta “agile” weapon is tac axe if that even counts

[hollow ibex]

Based

[cloud thunder]

Tried it in a couple games today. Pretty crazy how much you can cheese the mobility and reposition

[loud belfry]

it's weird how slow the tac axe movement speed is

[hollow ibex]

It's very good as a mobility stick yes

[cloud thunder]

Has decent horde clear too

[vernal trench]

Knife is great

[stone quail]

Is that really all it’s for then? Better horde clear than dueling sword with the slight precision trade off?

[hollow ibex]

Ok on mk6 but high talent point cost and hurts my hand to play so not a fan lol

[stone quail]

Tac axe needs the same mobility and I’ll fight for it

[hollow ibex]

Taxes need a buff

[stone quail]

So you’ve gotta spec more into knife than d sword?

[hollow ibex]

I'm totally not biased

[loud belfry]

tac axe should at least be sorta fast. doesn't even have a movement speed buff vs a bolter

[vernal trench]

Na knfie horde clear is meh

[stone quail]

I wish tac axe’s heavies did more

[cloud thunder]

I use mk3

[vernal trench]

Mk6 is the good one

[stone quail]

I’d prefer mk3 just for the better heavies

[hollow ibex]

As do I but it's honestly just worse

[stone quail]

See I’ve heard this about both

[cloud thunder]

It’s not my primary weapon

And fits my playstyle better

[vernal trench]

Mk6 has better horde clear

[hollow ibex]

And better single target

If you build for it

[unreal nova]

MK6 means push atks are your go to for big stuff.

MK3 is... spam anything against big guys, but GL with horde clear.

[cloud thunder]

In havoc 40, I run psword

In auric maels, mk3 knife

[stone quail]

Is the mk6 single target combo p attack, heavy, heavy, loop?

[vernal trench]

Psworf is good

[hollow ibex]

Which also means you need Stam regen on vet lol

[vernal trench]

Yes

[cloud thunder]

Ye

[stone quail]

Okay I can see why this is preferred now

[hollow ibex]

Afaik push attack is just faster if your stam can keep up though

[vernal trench]

Knife aint thwt good on vet

[unreal nova]

Just a +3 stam. Been always fine for me.

[cloud thunder]

Which mark is the one with stab as third light chain

[vernal trench]

Vets stam cant keep up

Zealot can tho

If u bring knife u bring it for the mobility

[hollow ibex]

Still sketchy tbh

[vernal trench]

Not for anything else otherwise ull use ds

[brittle marten]

2 stam delay nodes and you are good on vet

[cloud thunder]

Trying to avoid relying on DS

[hollow ibex]

Yeah though at that point I'd run DS. Not today much slower

[cloud thunder]

If it ever gets nerfed

[hollow ibex]

I basically don't use DS personally

[unreal nova]

Is just something that's best tried and see if you can work with or not.

[cloud thunder]

Only build I use it is to sweat on inferno havoc 40 build

[hollow ibex]

It fucks up my arms so I stopped running it

[hollow ibex]

Fair

[cloud thunder]

Otherwise, it’s force sword, FGS, powersword, and now knife

[unreal nova]

To be fair, Knoife, DS and Tacaxe all cause it, lul.

[vernal trench]

I dont like ds

[hollow ibex]

I can rely on keep swinging for some of them at least

[stone quail]

DS scratches the same itch for me Saltz’s rapier did in VT2

[unreal nova]

True.

[vernal trench]

What builds do u guys run for h40s

[brittle marten]

I wanna run funny builds but my masters force me to play chorus/shout/bubble

[stable socket]

infernus recon plus frag spam is the vet build i've had the most success with because i'm too lazy to swap loadouts based on the modifier and (iirc) dots like burn/bleed aren't reduced by pus-hardened

[cloud thunder]

Next one I wanna try is left click EK assail FGS DD psyker

[vernal trench]

sounds like desynch

if someone needs golden toughness, they aint a good player

just how it is

[cloud thunder]

You literally have no idea

💀

[vernal trench]

yea i have no idea why people rely on golden toughness

[cloud thunder]

That’s my friend I run havocs with

You’re talking to

[vernal harbor]

i need gold toughness and im the best

[vernal trench]

i know

[vernal trench]

i believe u

[cloud thunder]

You have no idea how much we mess around

💀

But when someone needs help on their 40, we just tryhard then we fuck around after

[vernal trench]

why do u need to tryhard on a 40

[cloud thunder]

Just to carry or help some folks

Who want their weekly

Then when we are done, we just run funny builds since there’s no risk to experiment in havoc 40

[loud belfry]

why is every post of yours like this

[unreal nova]

Because not everyone is good. Also, lag and packet loss rather go safe.

[loud belfry]

it's basically "havoc 40 is easy" on repeat and you try to bring your own performance up all the time

[cloud thunder]

Yeah and I think it’s funny he wants to run with his friends later and stream it. And apparently one of the guys can true solo havoc 40. So for all I know, chonky has been getting carried this whole time and doesn’t realize. That’s why I wanna see him play pug stealth vet

He refuses to show pug gameplay

After claiming he can carry on it

[vernal trench]

Na thats valid

Lag goes crazy man that sucks

[brittle marten]

When you have 2 chorus zealot or 2 bubble psykers + shout vet then havoc 40 is indeed easy

[vernal trench]

Its like ur living in the past u get hit by stuff u cant even see with 300 ping lmao

U sure its not ur internet cuz u seem to lag like crazy on high pign

[unreal nova]

Game is completely fine in the 'local' server.

It only goes to hell outside.

[vernal trench]

Yea im done with party finder for a while after yesterday lmao

[cloud thunder]

Why

[vernal trench]

how bad does it get tho

Like when do u start lagging

What ping range do u start getting wonky shit

[brittle marten]

Had to play my last havoc 40 at 20 fps

🥲

[vernal trench]

Guy cant even push a burster hell na

[vernal trench]

[cloud thunder]

Why should it matter?

You can carry on stealth vet, no?

[vernal trench]

Cant carry if im dead from him not pushing a burster

[unreal nova]

Ignoring complete disconnects? I got downed by absolutely nothing. 18 hits to a walker to kill it. Walkers that are supposed to be dead not being dead so can't dodge through or so.

[loud belfry]

skill issue smh

[cloud thunder]

Shit happens

[vernal trench]

Do shit start flying

[cloud thunder]

Go next. Shouldn’t be an issue to pug another

You got nothing to lose

[vernal trench]

true that ima fly away next time

[vernal trench]

Time

[cloud thunder]

Oh

[unreal nova]

Can't push boomers at all without VoC. Shriek and other are all gambles.

[brittle marten]

Force sword push

[vernal trench]

I had stable 300 ping and stuff is shooting me down to my health before i can even use my ability lmao

It was crazy

Id just quit if i had to do that every game

[cloud thunder]

I experienced lag spikes on Monday. Apparently havocs has their own servers

[vernal trench]

havoc servers are bonkers

[cloud thunder]

Like I was still moving around and hitting stuff but every mob froze in game

[vernal trench]

I dont get much or any disconnects tho luckily

[cloud thunder]

Then a minute later, I downed

[vernal trench]

Fatshark classic

[unreal nova]

Why i just panic whenever I hear boomers. I literally cannot push them at all at times. Like how I can't hit/kill things I'm stabbing so much.

[cloud thunder]

And when I downed

Dc’ed

[vernal trench]

Lmfao thats u nfortunate

[cloud thunder]

We still got the clear but it was annoying

Today was smooth though

[vernal trench]

Yea i stay tf away from them whenever i hear them

[unreal nova]

Why, trying to not go down is hard enough already, let alone killing or doing damage.

[loud belfry]

I often run away from my teammates when a burster is coming. I just know they'll fuck it up somehow

[cloud thunder]

Depends what I’m playing

If I’m EK or inferno psyker

[vernal trench]

Arent there australians in aisa servers

[cloud thunder]

I’ll range push it

[vernal trench]

Igame cant be that dead

[unreal nova]

I think they have their own servers?

[vernal trench]

Wont u lag less on those

Compared to eu or na

[cloud thunder]

If I’m vet, I’ll either kill it before it gets here or move back if I’m not closest to push it because I don’t trust pugs

[unreal nova]

But that's pugging. I hate pugging.

[cloud thunder]

I enjoy it

It’s how I learn fast to get good

And clutch

[unreal nova]

Other than being rejected by nearly everyone.

[vernal trench]

Lmao best part is clutching a whole game to lose it cuz the guy with a thunderhammer decides to blow up a burster

[unreal nova]

I don't have true lvls, remember?

[cloud thunder]

Doesn’t matter

[slow spade]

punishment for not playing only vet

deserved UwU

[cloud thunder]

I made my vet 5 days ago and I outperform level 100+’s in aurics by a lot

[vernal trench]

I mean thats not saying much when level 1000s can down constantly on auric maelstroms

[slow spade]

that's not a high bar if your dodge button is bound UwU

[vernal trench]

Dont know how they got to that level but well

[slow spade]

carried

[vernal trench]

or just play a lot

And dont learn to play while doing it

[cloud thunder]

We pugged a psyker earlier today in havoc 40. I was on inferno. He wouldn’t swap. So I just said fuck it, and went vet. Even though I’m new to it. We fight a beast nurgle, he never ONCE domed vs it. And didn’t know it blocks beast spit then got out dps’ed by a chorus zealot

[brittle marten]

Lvl 900 chorus zealot was dead half game while me on charge zealot and my friend on ogryn were carrying havoc 36

[vernal trench]

Swap what

[cloud thunder]

Classes

I was already in party on inferno psyker

[vernal trench]

U the type of guy to ask anyone to swap lmao

just let people play what they want

[cloud thunder]

Nah I didn’t

I just swapped myself

[brittle marten]

What if it's smite psyker

[vernal trench]

fair enough

[vernal trench]

Those are golden man

They see a single tox flamer and smites it

[cloud thunder]

Because my ogryn friend wanted the clear

He doesn’t have a lot of playtime during the week

So I went vet to help

Then we had a terrible psyker who did nothing

[vernal trench]

Party finder is like a slot machine

Once in a while u get insane players

Most of the time they should be playing auric maelstroms instead

If u get an insane player they be carrying tho

[unreal nova]

I always lose gambling.

[stable socket]

Double inferno psykers is definitely not optimal but you can still sorta make it work, whoever has an actual gun needs to do a bit more heavy lifting to kill stuff at range

[unreal nova]

When you get 2 players worse than me when I started...

[vernal trench]

The house always wins (fatshark wanting u to lose)

[unreal nova]

All I need to say is, gambling and always losing is my forte.

[vernal trench]

Dont the flame stacks fuck with each other

[unreal nova]

Just bet against me for easy wins.

[tawny badger]

the house always wins? jokes on you I'm homeless

[vernal trench]

No way its the dreg rager

[brittle marten]

2 infernos works good but only one guy gets all the damage

[stable socket]

Yeah only one psyker will have ownership and get credit for the kills

[vernal trench]

So basically one inferno and the other doesnt inferno

[cloud thunder]

@vernal trench level 40 new vet player and level 271 psyker and also chorus zealot. In havoc 40. Should say enough.

[vernal trench]

Oh

[stable socket]

But having backup bubble and being able to stack faster can still be useful-ish

[vernal trench]

Wait so the game will think ur inferno damage is from both of thenunferno guys?

[vernal trench]

How many times did yall go down damn

[brittle marten]

Why you don't show names

[primal zealot]

No it only counts them for whoever applied the first stack

[cloud thunder]

Server rules

[vernal trench]

U need the plugin mod that shows how much everyone downed and died

[cloud thunder]

Psyker went down and died like

4 times?

[brittle marten]

We lost when I died on chorus zealot 💀

[stable socket]

Whoever puts the first soulblaze stack on is the owner, so if you apply 1 stack and someone else tops it up to 15, all the tick damage (and any kills) counts as yours

[cloud thunder]

You got greedy 💀

[brittle marten]

Nah just brain dead

[vernal trench]

Here get this

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/187

[stable socket]

But iirc in fire reborn gives you warp charges no matter whose soulblaze kills the enemy

[vernal trench]

So basically yall folded as soon as theres no book

[brittle marten]

You apply stacks 2x faster vecuase of 2 inferno but only the one guy will be the owner of all these stacks

[cloud thunder]

Nah

Psyker was already dead

[stable socket]

So double psyker has basically infinite bubbles

[cloud thunder]

Surprise

[vernal trench]

Lmao u be stealing all the other guys damage

[tawny badger]

carried by gold toughness

[vernal trench]

Yea but a good psyker can already do that tho

[brittle marten]

That's the thing with shriek

[cloud thunder]

Then ogryn tried ressing hype

And died

I was left solo for a while

[brittle marten]

You just steal all warp damage from inferno psyker

[cloud thunder]

[vernal trench]

Yea people dont know when to just let someone die

[stable socket]

Single psyker can cast bubble faster than its duration, but in some truly fucked situations your bubble will die in 5-10s

[brittle marten]

I insta died

[vernal trench]

its not worth risking dying to get someone up sometimes

[stable socket]

That's when it helps to have backup bubble

[vernal trench]

yea

[cloud thunder]

Ogryn was ressing someone

Psyker probably then

[brittle marten]

Prolly psyker ye

[vernal trench]

But the gunners should never stack up to the point it pops up a bubble in seconds

And tbh u dont really need a bubble

[cloud thunder]

Wasn’t gunners

[brittle marten]

Buffs from bubble also stack

[vernal trench]

but whether or not u trust the team enough to not die without one is the real question

[stable socket]

I mean, you don't really need curios

[cloud thunder]

Was full maulers, crushers, bulwarks, ragers. Like 30-40 of them

[stable socket]

But it's still better to have them

[cloud thunder]

Scab ragers too

Not normal ones

[vernal trench]

Scab spawn

U got a scab game

Those are the most fun

[brittle marten]

Scam game

[cloud thunder]

So yeah

[vernal trench]

Thr most unfun is infinite tox bombers

[cloud thunder]

Having that psyker alive woulda helped some but then again, he wasn’t good so idk

[vernal trench]

Yea but having 2 bubble is overkill if ur team is doing what everyones supposed to

[brittle marten]

He died from trash mobs while casting inferno

[cloud thunder]

He folded everytime there was a horde

[vernal trench]

its always the psykers lmao

[cloud thunder]

Next game I go psyker

[vernal trench]

If its a bad player 90% its a psyker

[cloud thunder]

Smooth run.

[stable socket]

having curios, perks or blessings is also overkill if your team is doing what everyone's supposed to

[cloud thunder]

Almost a true survivor run too

For my friend

[vernal trench]

Na

[stable socket]

people have run full gray h40s, haven't they

[vernal trench]

Yea they some hardcore players

4 melee only ogryn goes hard tho

[stable socket]

with enough resets i'm pretty sure some cracked speedrunner could true solo h40 with just a gray knife and gun (probably on sycorax)

[vernal trench]

the guy that did true solo no stealth on clandestine said it took him like 6 days to do it

[stable socket]

jesus

[vernal trench]

hundreds of tries probably

[stable socket]

i believe it

so the real question becomes "how much of a crutch do you need compared to john darktide?"

[vernal trench]

yea but darktide is apretty rng game too with waht enemies they spawn

[stable socket]

the answer for most people is "as much as possible please"

[vernal trench]

that many tries doesnt take away from his achievement tho

its impressive

[tropic notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1288287202249408616/1328580520300249088/speed-2.gif

[stable socket]

the fact that (presumably) one of the best players in game needs to try for almost a week to do it means it's a pretty dang impressive achievement, yeah

[vernal trench]

yea clandestine aint no joke

[lost seal]

any map in the game > clandestine

[vernal trench]

clandestine is really fun tho

[lost seal]

I personally dont like the map

[vernal trench]

vigil station is probably one of my least favorites

[vernal trench]

start area sucks lmao

[lost seal]

that and the area when you have to charge the lateral shuttle

[vernal trench]

Which one

Before u go into the train?

[lost seal]

Yes, when you have the charge it with the power banks, or whatever you want to call them

[vernal trench]

Its a bit tricky of they spawn a boss there

What power banks

u mean the first event?

The big room where u gotta keep flipping the switches

[cloud thunder]

Rolling steel havoc 40

One day.

[lost seal]

Yea that one

[vernal trench]

tbh dont inagine it being much different than regular ones

All they gonna do is have buffed health

[lost seal]

Most of the randoms in the public matches I play just die to gunners almost instantly

[vernal trench]

And the captain being tanky af

[cloud thunder]

Cranial. Blight. More bosses.

Lower timer prolly

[vernal trench]

Thats gonna be barely possible if they lower the time any more

[tropic notch]

I hate cranial

[cloud thunder]

Exactly

[tropic notch]

It’s my most hated modifier

[vernal trench]

Its one of tje easiest modifiers thto

[cloud thunder]

Cranial is easy yes

But combo it with rolling steel

Funny shit gonna happen

[tropic notch]

I only hate it because you can’t suppress

[vernal trench]

Combo anything with rolling steel and funny shit will happen

Rolling steel is already a funny af map

[cloud thunder]

Just more so than normal in h40

Way more mob density too in a narrow path. Inferno psyker gonna eat good

[vernal trench]

Trauma will be better

[cloud thunder]

Or both

[vernal trench]

Yea or that

[cloud thunder]

Aight time to shower and order pizza

[vernal trench]

Im wondering if i should yake exhilarating takedown

Ill be losing 15% elite damage and another point

[hollow rose]

if you ever meet zealot named Zobo

tell him i'm casting curse of Ra

𓀀 𓀁 𓀂 𓀃 𓀄 𓀅 𓀆

[narrow frost]

sorry

[hollow rose]

for triggering daemonhost and leaving

[narrow frost]

thats me

[hollow rose]

i assume it was just trying to have fun then

[lost seal]

The daemonhost is just simply misguided

[jaunty tinsel]

for recon, do you guys like 4 80%'s and 1 60% or 3 80%'s and 2 70%'s

[narrow frost]

[jaunty tinsel]

what if i want to talk to people?

[heavy rover]

daemonhost just needs a snickers

[cloud thunder]

Just full dump on mobility for recon

[hearty panther]

who would ever come to discord to chat??? fucken psychotic behaviour

[jaunty tinsel]

i dumped stability on my current gun, you think mobility is that useless?

[hollow ibex]

Can dump collateral because it does nothing

Stability doesn't really matter either

[cloud thunder]

Not really a significant difference and I like having some stagger on collateral

[unreal nova]

Dump colleteral or summthing.

[cloud thunder]

You can swap to a good mobility melee weapon to reposition

[vernal trench]

me with my slow combat axe could never

[cloud thunder]

I got the skin for it today if I try combat axe on vet sometimes

[balmy flume]

By the throne

That snow drip do be looking good

Even if I am already happy with what I have

[tall torrent]

dewit

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent Found an absolutely swaggy combo

Honorable mention

[hollow ibex]

That bulge

[faint beacon]

Also this fucks pretty hard

Was not expecting it to look good on Weapon Customization

[umbral grove]

Chonky, when we playing?

[tall torrent]

I hope they fix these cosmetics’ clothing physics soon

[vernal trench]

H40 or hellldivers

[umbral grove]

Lol i just meant regular darktide shit

[vernal trench]

regular havoc 40?

ill play tmr im prolly done for the day tho

[umbral grove]

If you wanna carry

[vernal trench]

getting tired

[vernal trench]

i aint doing that on party finder lmfao

[umbral grove]

Last time i did havoc 40 i was a psyker, havent touched it since

[vernal trench]

well get a team tmr and do some 40s if we can

[umbral grove]

I'd probably die on havoc 40 now

[vernal trench]

its ok ull befine

[umbral grove]

And then it was worse than when cadia fell

It was that bad

[vernal trench]

ill play siome helldivers now if u wanna play it tho

[umbral grove]

Nah, goto bed you sumbitch

Get sleep

[vernal trench]

cant

gotta finish my soda

[umbral grove]

[hollow rose]

green helmet with white chest hurts me

[tall torrent]

It works well enough for me

[terse idol]

A small price we pay for drip

Better than scion with the camo armour imo

[vernal trench]

It hurts ny soul

[hollow rose]

i just wish there was any full covered chestpiece that actually goes well with scion helmet

i run Vet sentry uniform and it would be real good if it had TWO FUCKIN GLOVES

[lime pendant]

Shredder pistol fucks

[tame lodge]

[upbeat snow]

i love spending 150k dockets to get like 20 60% damage power swords

very cool obese orca

[forest turret]

Do you know what is the best class I can use for the spearhead bolter?

[vernal trench]

Psyker for sure

[hollow ibex]

yeh psyker

[hollow rose]

i like my Shrekgryn with shrekhead bolter

[vernal trench]

Yea sometimes i run plasma gun on my ogryn tho

Its good for my invis ogryn build

ogryn shroudfiltrate is pretty underrated if u ask me

[hollow rose]

Stealthgryn the goat

[forest turret]

Like I Psyker don't understand it

[vernal trench]

Fr underappreciated

[hollow rose]

somehow i dont doubt it

[forest turret]

bruh

[hollow rose]

ever tried brainburst ogryn

his mind expands so much

[forest turret]

When I said the best class I was referring to the blessings and things I did.

[hollow rose]

classes are characters

blessings are weapon perks

big difference

[forest turret]

my bat

[hollow ibex]

btw we were trolling, psyker doesn't have access to the bolter

best bolter user is prob vet

in terms of maximizing the weapon's value

[forest turret]

now I want to play Psyker

:v

[hollow ibex]

but bolter zealot is very fun too

[hollow rose]

he's asking about blessings and perks

[crimson pebble]

fartshart fears what scriers bolter is capable of

[hollow rose]

not the actual class

[calm shard]

bolt pistol

[hollow ibex]

oh

in that case, chekc pins

[hollow rose]

why use pistol if you have a G U N

[void dragon]

ok i have heard some ppl saying that the rashad C.axe is really good but after trying it a little i dont see the hype, i feel that horde clear and single target the sapper shovel VII does far better work. what's that make it special?

[tall torrent]

There’ll almost definitely be a cadian green recolor of the snowhound sets

eventually

[hollow rose]

I want actual scion armor, i ain't paying for recolor of a recolor

[tall torrent]

There is scion armor in files, just unfinished

[hollow rose]

Knowing fatshark, they'll add grey scion armor and keep the helmet green

and i will fuckin commit many warcrimes that day

[tall torrent]

They might make a separate scion set in a different color

It’s possible

[crimson pebble]

im thinking the scion helmet will be its own stand alone and when or if they ever put the actual scion set a beret will come w it to force ppl who dont already have the helmet into buying it

but fatshart would never right

[hollow rose]

fartshaft trying go scam you? nooo, impossible

[calm shard]

are you using brutal momentum on it

[hollow ibex]

post a pic of your c axe please

[jaunty tinsel]

people have, aggregately, suggested Shredder and DC sword with my recon lasgun, but this is leaving me sorely vulnerable to crushers

am i missing something, or should i swap one of these pieces (recon non-negotiable bczu i want to use it)

havoc-level btw

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent The Skin in shop for the Helbore fix its irons at all? asking mainly cause a friend is curious

[warm bolt]

It sorta does

[faint beacon]

Sorta

[warm bolt]

Wait you meant the ice one or vraks one?

[faint beacon]

Ice one

not the Krieger one which is literally a direct upgrade

[warm bolt]

Ah shit, sorry then, havent checked it

[tall torrent]

similar irons as base I think

[faint beacon]

So its shit unfortunately

[tall torrent]

well, skin is cool

but yea

[faint beacon]

but bad irons

fuck

alright

[tall torrent]

the only one with different iron sights

also has animation clipping when reloading

[warm bolt]

Wait really?

[tall torrent]

yea, I reported it a while back

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/helbore-lasgun-legacy-of-vraks-has-clipping-during-reload/103986

[tawdry jackal]

im ngl im too high to scroll up

i'm going to try to remember what i was told for havoc vet builds and implement

[tame lodge]

Onslaught?

[jaunty tinsel]

what is that?

[jaunty tinsel]

do i need the 10% rending perk with this as well?

[hearty panther]

man i forgot how hard the BAG's suppressed lol

point towards reapers, all eight duck

[void dragon]

Yeah im using it, doesnt feel like is really that great at clearing fodder

[austere mica]

Send a picture of the weapon

You're probably missing a breakpoint

[void dragon]

this are the weapons i was using, still leveling my vetera, still trying to find build with as many different weapons

[hollow ibex]

ok yeah you're going to miss breakpoints

rashad is ASS if it doesn't hit breakpoints

[austere mica]

PLEASE fix that shovel's mobility

[hollow ibex]

get it maxed out, take the relevant nodes, and then try again

it's night and day

[calm shard]

if they're leveling they also might not have the usual damage boosts that you go for

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[void dragon]

i already completed a havoc 21 mission so resources are on the way

but even in this state the weapon performs amazing

[hollow ibex]

shovels aren't great

[void dragon]

I AM 30, but by leveling i feel the most important is the weapons, which is what i meant

[void dragon]

HERECY!

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-handle-the-truth-gif-7916035

sorry i really want to like shovels too

[void dragon]

maybe, but what you say folks is that the weapon performs better once i boost its stats?

[austere mica]

Rashad

No question

[hollow ibex]

100%

[austere mica]

Its currently extremely strong

[hollow ibex]

esp on vet

[austere mica]

(I hate it its boring as shit)

[hollow ibex]

it's THE vet melee weapon tbh

[calm shard]

I love it it's less boring than dueling sword

[void dragon]

I have the question if its really that great, the shovel oneshots almost every elite but ogryns and manage hordes like a boss

[void dragon]

TBH i think everything is less boring than the toothpick

[austere mica]

Rashad does the same thing, but 3 taps ogryn enemies and does massive boss damage

[hollow ibex]

rashad decimates hordes way faster than shovel or DS lol

[austere mica]

Also better clear speed vs horde iirc

(4 targets a swing is pretty fucking hard to beat)

[hollow ibex]

also ~2000 dps againts crushers

[void dragon]

that...doesnt sound so far from what my shovel do

[austere mica]

It does it better, trust me

[hollow ibex]

nah it's prob horde clearing 50% faster than a mk7 shovel

mk7 shovel horde clear isn't particularly good

[austere mica]

As someone who likes shovel and hates caxe

It does it better

Brutal Momentum is currently extremely unbalanced

[void dragon]

how are your shovels felow rejects?

[calm shard]

tbf a lot of weapons that have brutal momentum would instantly be mega trash without it

[hollow ibex]

mine's maxed

[hollow ibex]

(rashad)

[calm shard]

it's like power swords power cycler in that it bandaids bad weapon design

[hollow ibex]

pswords would still be ok

they have sunder too

[austere mica]

Don't run weakspot

[calm shard]

with one swing

[hollow ibex]

rashad has literally nothing carrying it

except brumentum

headtaker is good, but won't make up for the nonexistent cleave

[void dragon]

nope, i like it, it actually make it manage elites rather well

[calm shard]

clearly it just needs wrath

[hollow ibex]

200% more cleave of 0 is still 0 😭

[calm shard]

do you know hwo weak spot and crit damage is calculated on the weapon perks

It's not 10% bonus damage broadly on a headshot

It's 10% of the bonus damage that a headshot does

[austere mica]

Its outright worse than another armor type

[calm shard]

So if you get say 200 extra damage on a headshot you're getting...20 damage

[austere mica]

Its actually 5% extra damage

Just checked with mk7 finesse mod

[wind cave]

What's the usual perks, flak and maniac?

[austere mica]

for mk7 its flak cara

[calm shard]

waow fire team aura

[austere mica]

You can hit a crusher oneshot breakpoint

[void dragon]

weird, it makes killing elites quite good, can oneshot muties and 2 shot crushers

[austere mica]

Have you tested this

Also

You can oneshot crushers with mk7

[void dragon]

2 shot a crusher? yea

with thrust?

for the oneshot i mean

[austere mica]

Thrust+uncanny stacks+ bring it down+ precision strikes I think

Path knows

[void dragon]

this thing can kill a rager with a slap and a heavy special

idk, it might be good with some changes but i feel it ahs a balance of horde clear while still killing everything eles

same with scab mauler, 2 shot

[austere mica]

Maulers are easier to oneshot than crushers

[void dragon]

can do both

[pure kindle]

(Make sure to empower to put some mobility on that poor thing: your shoelaces are tied and you'll be eating lasers and chainswords you could have dodged while blind)

[void dragon]

as i said, as soon as i get resources from some runs and havoc it will be empowered

really fail to see how rashad is good, are you telling me that this thing that currently can 4 shot a crusher will outperform that much my humble shovel? how?

(i think the 4 shot migh have had a crit around somewhere)

[austere mica]

Just ping Path at thing point

[void dragon]

are you saying "focus target"?

[austere mica]

Rashad has extremely good horde clear at 4 targets a swing, can oneshot all elites weaker than ragers (which it can beat to hell cause its PA staggers them), does extremely good DPS with heavy attack spam, and is a 5 dodge weapon

As much as I love shovel rashad is strictly better

[tall torrent]

true

[quartz nymph]

Has Dukane's outfit been available for the veteran in the shop?

I'd love that to rock that

[austere mica]

No NPC outfit has besides the hub guards

[quartz nymph]

Bummer

She's got a great coat

[void dragon]

horde clear feels good in the shovel so im counting it as equal, killing elites weaker than ragers is also checked (shovel can slap and heavy special on a scrap rager and light special all others)

the one compeling argument is 5 dodges, which i can see being VERY important

[austere mica]

Shovel also has 5 dodges

I just say 5 dodges because other stuff doesn't

[void dragon]

wait, that's true even on 5% this still has 4 dodges

neat

[austere mica]

I don't actually have sufficient caxe mastery to do a bunch of videos to prove this right now but rashad does basically everything but burst damage and stagger better than shovel

[tall torrent]

horde clear is not equal, rashad is ~2x clear speed of shovel

[void dragon]

I will keep your word, but i have to say, cant believe it will become so strong from this point onwards once it hit 500

[tall torrent]

vs elite, rashad is worse in single kill vs ragers but better vs groups

also kills carapace & unyielding better, generally speaking

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664591642967408640/1320852161265143878/axe.mp4?ex=679d33ef&is=679be26f&hm=8fe0c6dcee63dd282fb97d1343bdd4e8dd73e3734e930d68f48d3d396fb5c5ad&

[errant carbon]

Not sure what the damage is like when its not fully Empowered, but Brutal Momentum won't start to feel like it's doing work until it's one-shotting bruisers with light or push-attack headshots

And then there's the classic "X feels better at horde clear than Y because it staggers more enemies" even though it actually damages fewer

[austere mica]

Having Kill Tracker was so good for me

[tall torrent]

shovel damages more enemies at a time than axe

[austere mica]

Lets me actually tell if what I'm doing is killing anything

[tall torrent]

just kills far less

[void dragon]

that might be the case, it does feel safer

[austere mica]

(because it is, more stagger is safer clear typically speaking)

[void dragon]

i notice that until headtaker is running the axe is failing short to kill some lesser enemies, so its horde clear might feel better once that finece and penetration are topped

[austere mica]

Yes

You are missing the breakpoints that make the weapon work

[void dragon]

its just like with some staffs for the psyker, some feel like carp until maxed

[void dragon]

Question: someone have a good build using Auto guns(braced/infanrty)? also how not good is the combat shotgun in comparative?

[austere mica]

Combat shotgun is currently struggling heavily

You can make it work, but other stuff will invariably work better

[warm bolt]

Yeah it's a pure for funsies weapon

Brauto/infantry ones though can be good, the former as horde clear Rambo-style and second as more elite-sniping from what i remember

[austere mica]

IAG is extremely strong, especially the mk5

Powerful generalist with strong boss dps

Brautos are anti crowd weapons with high suppression, and there are generally better options

[warm bolt]

But the dopamine you get from just unloading into a horde

Cant do shit against armour though, no AP-tipped bullets this time

[austere mica]

The scab rager about to cleave stop every single round

[void dragon]

so im better running the bauto instead?

knowing that the Iauto is probably the peak

[austere mica]

I did not say that

I wouldn’t actually recommend brauto on vet

Can’t snipe very well and doesn’t synergize well enough with weapon spec and too expensive for use as full CC

[warm bolt]

No, brauto is a sorta meme weapon only useful for horde clear

[austere mica]

It’s a good zealot sidearm

[warm bolt]

So if you want pure efficiency you're better off without it

[void dragon]

so probably meme for a invi veteran build?

[warm bolt]

Ehhhh

Infil vet has better options too

[austere mica]

But vet has so many better options available

[warm bolt]

It's just a meme weapon

When you want to say fuck it and just dump 1000 rounds into a horde

You cant hit anything past like 15 meters

I tried hitting a sniper once by tap firing

[austere mica]

No, it isn’t

[warm bolt]

didnt work

[warm bolt]

Oh?

[austere mica]

Zealot can effectively use it as a sidearm for CC deficient weapons

[warm bolt]

Oh i meant more for vet

Havent played zealot so cant speak for it

[void dragon]

i think it has good supression and stagger to be good opening for a zealot

[austere mica]

Agri brauto can dump like 90 poxwalkers per mag

[austere mica]

Zealots want to start fights against active enemies, they need to dodge for a ton of their best buffs

[hollow ibex]

agri and graia braced are actually not too bad

[austere mica]

Staggering everything for them is actively detrimental to them

[hollow ibex]

graia's a bit ofa meme but quite good

[void dragon]

you can dodge while charging and once you are there you have your buffs on supressed enemies

[errant carbon]

I feel Vet and Psyker do better with Infantry Autoguns. Zealots more often want a quick swap special deleter (Revolver, Bolt Pistol) or something to cover your melee weapon's weak spot (Bolter, Flamer), especially now that FotF doesn't boost armor pen anymore.

Braced Autoguns have been left behind by power creep—poor accuracy and poor finesse multiplier in a game that increasingly revolves around stacking finesse bonuses and getting those crits and/or headshots, which leads to poor TTKs and ammo efficiency.

[austere mica]

The dodge buffs only proc in off of melee attacks and need to be upkept

The zealot can (ideally) handle themselves

[warm bolt]

Ooooh didnt know that

[austere mica]

Worry about someone else

[void dragon]

so that's why zealots hate free crowd control, really that seems like a dumb reason if you ask me

[austere mica]

Zealots are fine with CC

But I want control over when I can proc my upwards of 100% damage boosts

Having shit eternally staggered for me (smite, explosions, autogun spam) is annoying and boring

[void dragon]

a CCd enemy is free damage, once they get up and try to kill you again then you can still do your thing

[austere mica]

Every time I dodge I get 15% toughness replenished, 50% finesse damage and on some builds up to 15% attack speed and some dodge speed as well as 25% TDR

Oh and that attack speed comes with damage as well

[void dragon]

its a lame gunner that is crying in the floor, stop complaining that you cant kill him 15% faster and just kill him!

i mean, i get it

but still

[austere mica]

This doesn’t include me potentially running knife for an additional 60% finesse damage and 20% crit chance on dodge

More reasons why I hate smite

[hollow ibex]

it's not easy to play, but give it a shot with exec stance. surprisingly ammo efficient, and very fun.

[void dragon]

smite shoudl keep the horde that is behind you so you can kill the stuff in front as you please

and hopefully one day you will turn and kill them

[austere mica]

Smite needs a rework

Also

That psyker

Can just

Kill them

Psyker is the highest damage class

With the best mobility

[hollow ibex]

class bypassing core mechanics go brrrrrrrrrrrrrt

[austere mica]

And best horde clear

[void dragon]

i didnt say that the psyker isnt killing stuff

[austere mica]

They have absolutely no excuse outside of actual wall of bulwarks/untenable mixed horde/entirely cornered

[void dragon]

that is again: using smite with some brains

[austere mica]

(Almost never)

[void dragon]

WELL IT SHOULD BE USED WITH ONE!

[austere mica]

Smite desperately needs a redesign

[void dragon]

sparkheads are too warp messed up

[austere mica]

Or at least exponential peril scaling

It encourages channeling it forever way to much at the moment

[void dragon]

it does?

in my dumb brain you channel for EP for fodder elmimnation and then for cc for a second

not more

[tribal tangle]

Can someone recommend me a smite build so I can smite for 30 seconds at a time?

[hollow ibex]

EP/shriek/battle meditation done

[gritty delta]

Sup my dudes.

[austere mica]

Smite psykers can easily just eliminate 90% of the threat of a game and 100% of the enjoyment by hold right and left mouse while occasionally pressing F

[tribal tangle]

This will be great for my psyker named Palpatine

[void dragon]

there, IDK if its good, but you can channel your inner sith lord, go make the electric company proud

[tribal tangle]

Im so original

[wild vortex]

I played two games of EP Smite / Bubble Psyker and instantly understood the love/hate relationship people have with them

[gritty delta]

Unlimited power, extremely limited frame rate for console players.

[tribal tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/good-evil-star-wars-emporer-palpatine-darkside-gif-4624104

[austere mica]

The perfect world where DS, smite, dclaw, and zealot tree get rebalanced will come eventually

[tribal tangle]

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Playing smite be like

[void dragon]

dont forget the Heavy ogryn update

[gritty delta]

First we gotta hope the next content drop isn't 5 months away.

[tribal tangle]

Prob in the next month or two

It'll be 2 more weapons

[austere mica]

Hey if it solves my laundry list I give zero fucks I will wait

[gritty delta]

Hopefully we get some Vet weapons. Feels like every class except vet has gotten at least 1-2 class exclusive weapons.

[tribal tangle]

Most likely what it'll be, they said with the last weapon update vet would get something this year

So eta 1-11 months

[gritty delta]

I would smite a planet for a Plasma Pistol like the ones we see in cinematics.

[warm bolt]

I really hope it's melta

[warm bolt]

Ooo, plasma pistol would go pretty hard too

[tribal tangle]

Tbh id be down with them adding a couple vet weapons, then a a couple human weapons for all classes

[gritty delta]

Given how SM2 handles Melta guns (plus their size) probably not. Either illogical or WAY to op.

[austere mica]

Melta is a zealot weapon, trinity of melta flamer and bolter as holy weapons

[tribal tangle]

If they really wanted to use their laziness they should just release some human weapons

[void dragon]

we need melta weapons like the sororitas

[austere mica]

Sm2 sucks so bad comparison

[tribal tangle]

Inb4 melta crutch like in sm2

[warm bolt]

Tbf the way SM2 handles melta is a bit onorthodox, cause melta is an anti-tank weapon first and foremost

[austere mica]

(FS would also probably do them as a beam weapon)

[warm bolt]

They just needed a shotgun to clear hordes and melta is sometimes described like that

[tribal tangle]

Meltas gonna be new bolter/plasma crutch

If they buffed the shotguns we have theyd be decent, but they're kinda dookie

[warm bolt]

Jurgen.

[gritty delta]

I know lore wise it's bad, but I'm talking from a gameplay perspective. Let's be real here, can you see a guardsman carrying around that hunk? If we ever got a melta it would have to be given to the Ogryn.

[warm bolt]

The ultimate user

[austere mica]

Can you name a second guardsman with a melta?

[warm bolt]

The new guy from Minka Lesk books

In Dead Men Walking kriegers use meltas to kill necrons (and have to throw it around if hit by gauss weapons)

[austere mica]

No, meltas are guard issue, the ones in sm2 are astartes pattern

[warm bolt]

Yeah that ^

[gritty delta]

Okay fair, but rebuttal, who the hell is gonna approve melta rifles for a penal squad?

[warm bolt]

It's not comfortable sometimes, but even irl carrying like carl gustav isnt really comfortable either

[warm bolt]

Who the hell approved plasma weapons for the squad

[austere mica]

We are an inquisitorial kill team, and also the same person who threw us plasma and power weapons

[warm bolt]

Rejects are an exception cause we're under inquisitor's wing

[gritty delta]

To be fair plasma weapons are as common as a lasgun at this point.

[warm bolt]

So are meltas i'd argue

[austere mica]

Wrong but go off I guess

[loud belfry]

what's the least likely weapon type to like, be approved? the most illegal to have, most rare in the imperium, perhaps.

force swords?

[warm bolt]

Something from horus heresy era i'd argue

[austere mica]

Not even close

[warm bolt]

Real archeotech type shit

[gritty delta]

Probably that big fuckin sword they added last update.

[loud belfry]

i should calrify that i mean what's in darktide

[austere mica]

DAoT stuff or outright xenos gear

[loud belfry]

there's probably some wild shit out there

swords that can blow up a whole planet probably

[warm bolt]

Volkite stuff if there's still any guard-shaped around

[wise wren]

Question the recon lasgun normally feels like a peashooter at low rating right?

[warm bolt]

Necrons have a table that can make stars go super nova

[tribal tangle]

Whatever greedworkshop allows us to have

[gritty delta]

Honestly I'm surprised Fatshark hasn't given us a Hellgun. Although that alone would probably be an issue.

[austere mica]

The Backpack Problem

I have had this conversation before

[warm bolt]

It's more about damage per second and stacking infernus dot

[austere mica]

Time is a flat circle

[gritty delta]

Yup.

[warm bolt]

Imagine skins for the hellgun backpack though

[tribal tangle]

@gritty delta all weapons in Darktide need greedworkshop approval. Probably part of the reason it takes them so long to make 2 new weapons

[warm bolt]

Hell even hotshot

That's a whole-ass new avenue for revenue

[wise wren]

when power klaw for oggys

[gritty delta]

Probably the reason we can't customize them without mods to get past some of those egregious iron sights.

[tribal tangle]

Yep

[austere mica]

Not probably

[tribal tangle]

Weapon customization was going to be in the base game

Gws shot it down

[gritty delta]

Which makes no damn sense, they let Space Hulk do it.

[tribal tangle]

Don't bring logic into greedy corporate tactics

[gritty delta]

Doesn't mean I can't use logic to hate them. 🙂

[tribal tangle]

Other than not being interested in the tabletop, their scummy bullshit is a big reason I'd never play it

[gritty delta]

I wish I could see my beloved Redemption Bolter return in SM2 at least.

[atomic void]

any proof on this? i always hear about it but no one ever provides any actual point of reference
why would gw object to this when the game breaks lore shit left right and center

[gritty delta]

I heard about that. Isn't the meta basically ultra smurfs, necrons, or Nurgle?

[austere mica]

Just buy models secondhand

[austere mica]

Not even close

[gritty delta]

I dunno. You wouldn't catch me paying $200+ dollars just to get the necessary stuff to play it.

[austere mica]

Just print it then

Or buy models secondhand at like half price

I literally work at a gamestore that does second hand resale for GW stuff

[gritty delta]

I've thought about it, but like you said the tabletop is kinda wack. I have a buddy who plays and he basically told me it's not worth it rn.

[warm bolt]

The rules are kinda wonky, but it is easier to get into

Also horus heresy kits have better deals but shhhh

[gritty delta]

The other reason is I can't pair stuff that small for shit.

[tribal tangle]

Inb4 retcon

[wise wren]

question for the dueling sword what does the secondary thrust do opposed to a heavy thrust and how do you deal with shields using one

[tribal tangle]

Mean the special attack?

[austere mica]

If full scale 2000 points is too expensive for you than play kill team

[wise wren]

yea

[gritty delta]

Like Bulwark shields?

[tribal tangle]

Staggers pretty much anything to the head

Except bosses

[warm bolt]

Im so so so glad my favourite guard detachment didnt even get a single sentence of lore despite being prominent in early-mid warhammer days

[tribal tangle]

Them retconning shit because they write themselves into a corner is another reason I wouldn't play

[gritty delta]

That's how I feel about the Bone Knives. I have my SM2 Vanguard styled like them. Mentioned ONCE in a book, then never again.

[warm bolt]

Also it animation cancels so you can get basically two attacks, pretty useful against muties

[wise wren]

ya

[austere mica]

That’s just 90% of the lore, get used to it

[tribal tangle]

You can chain a heavy into the special, and repeat that. Basically stunlock/stab most things to death to the head

[warm bolt]

Tbf there's being mentioned once and having models, stories, white dwarf articles etc

But yeah i get you

[gritty delta]

If you're using the duelists sword, I HIGHLY recommend bringing a High AP ranged weapon. Like a bolt pistol.

[austere mica]

Are you on crack

DS is the best anti armor weapon in the game

[warm bolt]

Cant really pierce the shield with melee, so you either have to flank or use nades to stagger the guy first

[austere mica]

You technically can

[warm bolt]

I'd rather not melee fight a bulwark in the first place though

[gritty delta]

Listen just because our playstyles are different gives you no right to insult me.

[warm bolt]

Wait really?

[austere mica]

Certain weapons can jam through the eyehole if you’re super careful on some attacks

[atomic void]

bulwark melee is easy, slide to his back and poke him in the head, he's only an issue if he's covering elites

[austere mica]

Just bait a swing and punish