veteran-class

[terse idol]

Instead of trying to tank gunners by using marksmens focus

[tall torrent]

it's basically every +dmg talent lmao

[sleek garden]

I think one motion is unnecessary

Normally I take tunnel vision because if I'm low on toughness for some reason getting a couple of headshots will rocket your toughness back sky high

Oh you might be taking one motion to get out for blood

Which I'd say is still unnecessary also

[slow sky]

its more just for melee

[sleek garden]

True

Does tunnel vision apply to melee kills

[hollow ibex]

do you have the meme build?

i need it... for reference

[sleek garden]

if so you could drop that and take tunnel vision so if you go into melee with high stacks it would give you a good amount of toughness on melee

[tall torrent]

forbidden territory

[slow sky]

ngl
what is tunnel vision

[tall torrent]

marksman focus subnode

[hollow ibex]

but if i don't have it, how do i know to avoid it??

[sleek garden]

It's a modifier for MF that increases toughness gain

And also gives back stamina on headshot

A modest amount but it could be useful for shotgun shenanigans

[tall torrent]

drop top left 2 points
take 5% move speed over 1 stamina
get demo stockpile
get shock trooper instead of 15 stacks of marksman's focus

[sleek garden]

I will always take longshot

I choose to believe

Also without it I stop one shotting scab gunners at 15 meters with 10 marksman focus stacks

[tall torrent]

longshot is consistently ass

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[hollow ibex]

longshit

[sleek garden]

But the inflas scales backwards with damage

would it not be helpful

I guess the 2b is the close quarters version though

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[soft trellis]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/831908088281825410.webp?&animated=true

[tame lodge]

Don't the acrid

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cola-cat-cola-explosion-luma-ai-gif-12441479630905084027

I put this as gif in plasma gun section of guide

[slow sky]

yknow i did start building the tree from CK first and grabbed OfB later

and never actually payed attention to subnodes

despite me doing the same thing with my recon havoc build

[tall torrent]

I think it's a good habit to get used to only having O4B given it's the best scaling toughness talent for veteran into havoc

but I also acknowledge that CK is comfy

[slow sky]

toughness regen over time is so fucking stupidly good

[jaunty tinsel]

u would say shredders are better at high havocs than krak?

[slow sky]

having something you did in the past fix a mistake in the future is just

dude

[slow sky]

infinitely

[vernal trench]

Kraks are borderline useless in high havocs

[jaunty tinsel]

how come?

[vernal trench]

U throw 4 kraks and it kills 2 bulwarks maybe

[slow sky]

your 2-3 kraks wont do much in the face of 8 crushers 10 maulers 5 bulwarks and 12 ragers

[vernal trench]

while the 20 other crushers behind them are still charging at u

[jaunty tinsel]

jesus

[vernal trench]

a krak doesnt even kill a bulwark in high havocs

[jaunty tinsel]

but how do shredders help there?

[terse idol]

I assume at least 1 krak still kills on super high diff

[slow sky]

your shredders however will remove half of those and deal some decent damage to others

[vernal trench]

the bleed stacks can weaken them a lot or kill them

[terse idol]

Even with the grenade upgrade?

[slow sky]

not on bulwarks

[terse idol]

[vernal trench]

Not sure about grenade upgrade but its still not worth it

[jaunty tinsel]

do they need the stronger grenade perk to work?

grenade upgrade even

[vernal trench]

just bring shredders

Ur gonna need it for the crowd clearing

[slow sky]

but now youre taking a talent to make your grenade do what it should be doing on its own

[vernal trench]

Shredders can get u 500k+ damage regularly on the low end

[slow sky]

but yes
functionally infinite cleave DOT spreading is just

bonkers

[jaunty tinsel]

itll actually save me a point if i go shredders anyway since i wont have to take the 5% talent lmao

[vernal trench]

u need demolition team

1 minute regen and demo team will let u spam grenades

[jaunty tinsel]

yea my current build can let me spend that free talent on demo team

[tall torrent]

lol bulwark is 7200hp unyielding

[slow sky]

im aware im the psyker here but just also take note of the vet throwing shredders and capping the bleed of everyone in ADDITION to the soulblaze thats happening

[vernal trench]

Shredders can outdamage psykers if u get enough of them

Its busted

[tall torrent]

*if u roll RNG really luckily

[slow sky]

this was non havoc but still youll see probably 3x the elites in one group in havoc and shredders doesnt care how many of them there are, itll deal its full damage to all of em just the same

[vernal trench]

Ye lmao

Or if the psyker isnt good

[tall torrent]

it's funny that the "consistent breakpoint" class is the most RNG-reliant in havoc

[vernal trench]

Hard to out damage good psykers

Impossible to outdamage good ogryns

[jaunty tinsel]

and also shredders were suggested to help kill shooters so it works out there too

[vernal trench]

Yea they sre good for everything aside bosses

[jaunty tinsel]

i complained about my team mates running out and getting gunned down by shooters yesterday

[vernal trench]

Oh man wait till u see havoc 40s

[slow sky]

i wouldnt recommend throwing them at shooters unless youre capped and theyre all grouped up

[jaunty tinsel]

like my FPS brain kicked in and i take cover but i still see ppl running out and dying

[slow sky]

if theyre spread out its just a waste of grenades that could be better used at the big bursts of elites

[jaunty tinsel]

thats what i was thinking honestly too

but still gonan be more useful than krak if they're behind cover

[vernal trench]

I go invis and just drop grenades to clear a horde of reapers

But no one plays infiltrate sadly so they cant do that

[jaunty tinsel]

i honestly dont know what i can do to protect my dumbass Last Samurai team mates against high havoc shooters

someone suggested smoke actually

may be worth a shot

[tall torrent]

smoke is good u just trade 80% of ur mixed horde clear for it

[slow sky]

dont let people on forums/reddit know that havoc was playtested with smokes and infiltrate to gauge non-meta viability

[vernal trench]

U dont, they need to not die by themselves

[jaunty tinsel]

i hate being powerless

[vernal trench]

U cant hold their hand through a 40 theyll keep dying all u can do is just keep rescuing them

[vernal trench]

Lmao infiltrate does signifcantly better than shout if used right

[tall torrent]

be zealot/psyker
far higher immediate impact for far less effort

[vernal trench]

Play the meta book zealot

[terse idol]

Little scary

🤏

[slow sky]

an ambulance invis/smoke vet was a huge help in keeping the run going with a non-stupid meta setup

which was important to do for feedback on the mode

[vernal trench]

Having no golden toughness is the real shit

I cant even get in a game with no golden toughness cuz everyone runs book

[slow sky]

imagine if we only ran what the redditors say is mandatory for havoc 40 and gave feedback based on that

nightmarenightmarenightmarenightmarenightmarenightmare

[vernal trench]

They need the meta loadouts to hold their hand through a 40

[tall torrent]

can u tell them to give hotshot blessing to infantry lasguns
and buff their accuracy under suppression
and reduce their muzzle flash

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[vernal trench]

40 aint even hard what do u need shout plasma ds vet for

[warm bolt]

What was your build?

[soft trellis]

This man is preaching heresy to the masses! GET HIM!

[warm bolt]

Blessed is the mind too small for doubt

[vernal trench]

Tbh smoke is kinda a waste for infiltrate

U can already go invis no point bringing smoke

Better having shredders to clear frontlines for the team

[hearty panther]

combine all three grenades into one

[vernal trench]

Im thinking of running powersword imma try it out cuz that horde clearing is gonna be super nice

[slow sky]

i honestly only got a few runs in during that period, timezones and availability and all that
tho the runs where i DID get to play, i ran just a basic fotf build with either ds5 or taxe 7

[warm bolt]

Fotf?

[vernal trench]

Powersword dodges are dogshit tho

[slow sky]

im a zealot main

[warm bolt]

It's gonna be like that aneurysm meme

[slow sky]

fury of the faithful

zealot dash

[warm bolt]

Ah

[tall torrent]

hell yea

throw grenade that homes onto carapace, when it explodes, apply heavy blast center dmg and bleed in huge radius, and generate big smoke cloud

[vernal trench]

Lmao but u only can hold one at a time

[tall torrent]

nah, hold 3

[terse idol]

For your team no?

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[vernal trench]

Na they can handle a couple gunners

[terse idol]

[soft trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-flashback-traumatized-cat-gif-7852054576948114551

[tough tiger]

Ilas would be infinitely better if they have barely any recoil

Since when do laser guns have recoil anyway

[vernal trench]

Since darktide

[warm bolt]

Well in-lore some do

It's artificial cause recruits arent used to no recoil and handle it like their weewee in a toilet

Which leads to stuff

But i dont think the one in darktide has it

Kantrael, among others, should also have a full auto switch if we're going by lore

[tough tiger]

Thats just guardsmen shaking from the poop in their pants

[warm bolt]

[tough tiger]

I mean, remember the last teaser for anniversary update?

Bro was crapping his pants from start to finish

No wonder he cant shoot

[warm bolt]

I mean tbf it's a reasonable reaction

[soft trellis]

Do any of you guys remember that one cutscene with the 4 guys in it that get ambushed by a chaos spawn... and that absolute chad gets 2 shots off AFTER BEING GRABBED

[warm bolt]

Except for an ogryn, his brain is too smooth to comprehend anything

[tough tiger]

Bluds forgor to use VoC 😩 😩 😩

[vernal trench]

Opening cutsceen?

[soft trellis]

Yeah

That one guy was a fucking chad

[vernal trench]

Until they see a random zealot killing 10 of them at onxe

[tough tiger]

Chaos spawn vs 4 vets more like back to spawn

[austere mica]

They didn’t have recoil early in design, but felt really weird to shoot so they added recoil

[tough tiger]

Another obese megalodon L

[tall torrent]

chaos spawn dies in 5s to 4 veterans

someone is gonna have kraks and the moment it's staggered it's over

unless it's 4 veterans with shovels

[soft trellis]

to be fair it snuck up on them

[tall torrent]

then

[vernal trench]

Lmao all 4 bolter magdump

[tough tiger]

VoC is 360 tho

[vernal trench]

Shouldve heard the boss music

[tough tiger]

Noobs didnt run VoC

Clearly werent built for havoc

[soft trellis]

ikr? smh my head

[slow sky]

Hold on I have a clip where we kill a cspawn as 4 vets in havoc before the captain that spawned alongside it even reached us

[warm bolt]

If only we had melta grenades to give bosses the good ol Astra Militarum special once you get grabbed

[vernal trench]

Ive never played a havoc with 4 vets

[soft trellis]

tho... to be fair... the average 4 rando group can easily die to 1 rager... so 1 spawn killing all 4? Not out of the question

[vernal trench]

That shits gotta be so funny

[tough tiger]

U need a premade for that

[vernal trench]

Where can i even find 3 more vets that wont just immediately fold

[soft trellis]

In your hopes and dreams

[vernal trench]

these meta vets i see fold even with golden toughness stacked

[tough tiger]

You're more likely to get 4 zealots than anything else in javoc

[slow sky]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1327211834956189706/1327232423007617167/MedalTVWarhammer40000Darktide20250102041515.mp4?ex=679c0644&is=679ab4c4&hm=da58198b8e03bc69a131df1598d8d39d8785e53929975b01a14f7778677ac73f&

[vernal trench]

Yea gotta get the cheese survivor stacking 4 books

[slow sky]

Wait that's the wrong one

[tough tiger]

VETERAN WITH SLAB SHIELD 🗣️ 🔥 🔥 🔥

[narrow frost]

I forgot how bad dorn's hud is

[vernal trench]

That hud sucks

I love it when veterans use smite and bubble

[slow sky]

Here it is

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1329280894397059072/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_2025-01-14_11-58-59_PM.mp4?ex=679c39ce&is=679ae84e&hm=b157c26ecc16ce2755d4e8b0592f9a8aad1cf247946690f1bc131f7f7a6ae981&

[vernal trench]

Poor guy got bullied

[slow sky]

Havoc is hard btw
Bubble and book mandatory

[tall torrent]

u actually would have killed it even faster if u kept using recon

[austere mica]

Havoc is hard for people with no friends (me)

[slow sky]

Slightly
But I was the skullcrusher applier

Most of the damage came from the kraks and all of the debuffs we all applied

And the 2 other people had good melees for it

[soft trellis]

Bro got bullied like the little kid in the school playground...

[vernal trench]

Is what i would say if im a redditor and sucked ass

[tall torrent]

yea rush in, hit twice then chain stagger

after that can just recon

skullcrusher debuff stays active even when melee isn't in hand

[slow sky]

It would have made like a half second difference

And cost ammo when I didn't need to spend it

[tall torrent]

sorta

difficult to test all that

[soft trellis]

Just make a mod that lets 4 people all able to be in the same meat grinder

easy peasy

[hollow ibex]

i've given up on havoc. it's just a mode to fuck QP enjoyers. fuck you too fatshart 🖕

[slow sky]

I am very conserving with ammo even in havoc with survivalist shock troop
Cuz yeah my ammo goes a long way, but it will still get spend when I shoot

[vernal trench]

Theres a good one called havoc 40

Live meatgrinder

[vernal trench]

Eat up the whole games ammo

[slow sky]

And I'd rather minimize the amount of ammo I take when it could also go to others

[vernal trench]

If im the vet the ammos all mine

[slow sky]

I got to 40 climbing via joining other people's party finders

[vernal trench]

Party finder is saddening

[hollow ibex]

partyfinder is dead for me consistently, unsurprisingly

[vernal trench]

Tbh everywhere is

[slow sky]

What region

[hollow ibex]

NA west

and the fact of the matter is that i usually don't have that much time to play anyway

[vernal trench]

Maybe ur playing at tje wrong times

[hollow ibex]

so i just want to jump into a game and have fun

[hollow ibex]

i've checked during peak hours like evenings/weekends lol

one party open

[slow sky]

I'm central so I check both
And its rare for there not to be a game hosted there, when there isnt, there will be in like 10 seconds

If you're not like California west you could try changing servers to east if the ping isn't much of a difference and see the party finder there

[hollow ibex]

yeah maybe someday when i can muster the number of requisite fucks i need to deal with party finder

[upbeat snow]

best mark of helbore?

[tall torrent]

all 3 are ok

[upbeat snow]

any better for a weapon specialist and voc build?

[austere mica]

My ass is NOT playing on 200

[hollow ibex]

i'm in na west geographically and my ping on na west is shit half the time already

despite having very good internet

[tame lodge]

All are good (4>>>)

[last marten]

havoc vet build?

[tawny badger]

https://tenor.com/view/gunna-fire-writing-heat-gif-25524005

[vernal harbor]

im fried and this is killing me it’s so low effort

[hollow ibex]

yeah if you can find matches. it's also just a royal pain in the ass.

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da78034-dbda-4eff-aebc-f5660464fab7/vet-havoc-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[hollow ibex]

party finder, playing with randos

well my havoc's dropped down to 24 last time i checked and i just don't care anymore

i have limited time each day, i'm just going to QP

[uncut pebble]

What server group do you play on?

[hollow ibex]

means i'd have to start again at my current assignment level and grind back up, or find a game to join

i'm also not good enough to carry

i can hold my own and do my job

but carry randos?

kill me, it'll be faster

[summer lance]

AINT NO WAY

[hollow ibex]

that just might greatly influence your havoc experience

[summer lance]

BB?

[hollow ibex]

brain burst

[summer lance]

WHAT

[hollow ibex]

that's actually good to know

[summer lance]

OMG I JUST REALIZED

IT DOES?!?!

YO FUCK VETERAN ON GOD

BRB

[tall torrent]

play psyker, brain burst 20 guys in a row, done

nvm azreal alrdy answered

[summer lance]

does diff matter? on a sedition rn

[tall torrent]

no

[summer lance]

got it

:)

[orchid hemlock]

wait did someone just get banned?

[bleak cradle]

What do you mean

[stoic thorn]

Might just run nade vet

Ogryn has given me an addiction for explosions

[molten hound]

do you still get the bonus from proxi blast if you arent wielding bolt pistol when you drop a grenade

[narrow frost]

yes

[molten hound]

damn thats nuts

[summer lance]

wait why are his messages deleted?

[molten hound]

its really just a statstick huh

[tall torrent]

no, azreal just does that now

[tall torrent]

he just does that now

[summer lance]

[austere mica]

Holy shit they actually cleaned their message history

[tame lodge]

It is what it is

[austere mica]

Oh fuck thats not ok

[hollow ibex]

are you president trump?

[hearty panther]

well yea only like six people work in our entire air force

five are writing up pre canceled contracts for the sea kings and the last guy keeps them running

[hollow ibex]

the messages are disappeariiiing

https://tenor.com/view/bye-im-out-im-gone-disappear-gif-14773411

now we look schizo

[austere mica]

Playing the game of the minimum number of messages you can remove from a conversation to make everyone look like psychopaths

[tall torrent]

always have been

[hollow ibex]

but we're not psykers

[formal ice]

You are becoming a servitor instead

[last marten]

thank you.

im not much for vet but here we are

[uncut pebble]

What server group are you on? Depending on your answer I can boost you to 40 no problem. :P

[hollow ibex]

i'm in NA west, i could do east prob too though

that's a kind offer, i wouldn't complain

[uncut pebble]

What's your ping like on NA East? I can do West if it's bad.

Actually, wait, does havoc even let you queue in other server groups?

[hollow ibex]

it should, i think i played on NA E with path before in havoc

[narrow frost]

You can play any server

the server will be what the host is

[hollow ibex]

ping is fine, it's server stability that's more the issue, and that's a crapshoot anywhere

i just can't do havoc on EU

[uncut pebble]

Yeah then I can't boost you to 40 on West. :P

[hollow ibex]

in auric it's fine, but i wouldn't risk it in EU lol

[uncut pebble]

I'm on East.

[hollow ibex]

yeah east shouldn't be an issue

[uncut pebble]

Code is 5418423098

Some random just invited me to a mission lol.

[hollow ibex]

uhh that's not me

i'm booting up

[uncut pebble]

I was like "I know none of these people" and left instantly.

[hollow ibex]

aight just sent you a friend request

[uncut pebble]

Ok I can see why your join requests have been being denied now.

[hollow ibex]

do you have me blocked?

[uncut pebble]

No.

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent The comical perfect timing of that invite

I memory crashed and tried rejoining

[uncut pebble]

I inspected you and saw taxe, 2 hp curios, and exe stance.

Vigilant autogun is doable but... not advised.

[tall torrent]

it says ur in a mission

[hollow ibex]

oh i'm making a new meme build for auric

i can play whatever

[faint beacon]

Yeah its cause I was trying to rejoin a mission

[tall torrent]

Oh well

[visual remnant]

Noob

[grand perch]

Some people do it on havoc 40 even though I ask nicely beforehand not to do it

[visual remnant]

Holy insane o

[tall torrent]

wat

[visual remnant]

Az purging his messages

[tall torrent]

yea he ghosted for like a long time cuz he got doxxed

hopefully he's fine

[vernal harbor]

veteran

[graceful bramble]

Tell me if I'm doing this wrong. But I have 3 weapon sets and I'm going down the perk tree one column per loadout. Am I doing it right? Or am I nerfing myself? It's all kinda overwhelming

[uncut pebble]

Vet's tree is a bit all over the place and is arguably the hardest class to build with, because you have so many breakpoints to play with.

[tall torrent]

I can help with that

[graceful bramble]

Yeah building my zealot was less mind boggling. I just don't wanna be nerfing myself

[tall torrent]

this is a very standard entry-level build for veteran

Veteran has a total of 4.5 good melee weapons (which can be really good) but a lot more ranged weapon options he can take advantage of

[graceful bramble]

I just reached the third major upgrade line. I hardly use melee with veteran. I'll have to give this a try. Thank you!

[tall torrent]

What weapons do u have rn

[graceful bramble]

Recon lasgun for one load out. Helbore another and double barrel for my last. Power sword on all 3 loadouts

[tall torrent]

Power sword is very strong

Use mk VI
Elite + maniac
Power cycler
Brutal momentum / sunder

Practice melee, it’s a necessary skill for veteran

[graceful bramble]

Gotcha. Yeah power sword is my favorite melee weapon I've unlocked by far. On another note Im hoping I'm coming close to the point of unlocking some more cosmetics. I feel like my character is a bit bland in that department. I know it has no effect on gameplay for the most part. But I wanna look good purging heretics 😅

[stiff glacier]

I love my mg la lasgun and shovel marksman

[umbral grove]

https://tenor.com/view/putting-on-sunglasses-evelynn-madison-beer-kda-popstars-song-gif-25795203

[tall torrent]

U can also try combat axe III

[calm shard]

cosmetics are not going to happen for a long time

the only good free cosmetics are from Havoc and super late penance unlocks

[graceful bramble]

Welp 😭

[stoic thorn]

Where commissary skins for new weapons

Like Bistol

I want dark red bistol

Or dark red relic blade

[austere mica]

The best veteran cosmetic is green and available from some super easy penance

[stoic thorn]

Best veteran cosmetic is survivors sentry uniform

Because it has CADIA on it

And we are CADIA in this ship

[austere mica]

No it’s the uhhhhh

[stoic thorn]

FOR CADIA

DEATH

[austere mica]

The white/grey shirt with brown suspenders and a green scarf + hand wraps

Actual peak cosmetic

[stoic thorn]

What green scarf

Oh I think I've seen it

But CADIA is better

[austere mica]

Cadia is lame as hell

Please cry harder over your gravel driveway

[stoic thorn]

Death by CADIAN firing squad

[quartz nymph]

I bought the weapon skin from Commodore's Vestures called: Combat Axe (Saint's Fluke) thinking it was for the combat axe

What a fool

[stoic thorn]

And what was it for

[quartz nymph]

It's only for the tactical axe

[stoic thorn]

Chainaxe?

[quartz nymph]

Gotta read the fine print I guess lol

[austere mica]

Oh that’s actually better, tac axe is so much more fun

And more balanced

[tall torrent]

U can refund it in FS forums

[raw needle]

imagine THINKING that the skin named combat axe is usable on a combat axe!!!! what a FOOL

[grand perch]

the best axe!

...i wish

[raw needle]

definitely an axe I can give it that

[quartz nymph]

It's goofy enough to me ill just keep it

[austere mica]

Try tac axe

Do it

Join us

[quartz nymph]

ESL weapon skins got me again

[dry cloak]

Can you send a pick of how it looks please

[lucid oak]

hello fellow vets

[dry cloak]

Hi

[raw needle]

well it doesn't really look like a combat axe so I'll give this one to fatshark

[dry cloak]

It looks nice

Would use

[raw needle]

did they ever release the all white combat axe skin?

[quartz nymph]

It does look really good

[lucid oak]

it does like look something made by old ubisoft ( the good ubi )

[quartz nymph]

Time to make a taxe build

[austere mica]

Taxe works best on zealot

Puts its innate crit bonus to work

It’s basically a knife sidegrade that has comparable dodge mobility and better hordeclear but worse singletarget

Also better stagger, it fucks up ragers good

[wanton dawn]

I'd prefer not to play my taxes thanks

[raw needle]

ba dum tsss

[dry cloak]

They will in couple hours

[quartz nymph]

When does the shop rotate?

[raw needle]

too bad the shop reset lined up perfectly with hello kitty island adventure's release
no skins for me

[quartz nymph]

What a dilemma

[errant carbon]

Had to go look up that hello kitty island adventure is now a real game and not just a south park reference

[raw needle]

yeah I had to go look up darktide after south park, 100% understand where you're coming from

[thick needle]

Made to Havoc 30, this is where my sweat runs dry and I can finally rest

[slow sky]

What a shame
You can now use the more fun axe and have it look cooler too
(I immediately pointed out to them it's name but ig they didn't do anything about it)

[dry cloak]

Hydrate yourself

[vernal trench]

40 whem

When

[thick needle]

Never
Please I watched a burster walk off three Bistol shots I'm scared

[dry cloak]

Puss hardened skin

Thats why

[vernal trench]

Oh wait till u see them tank a full magdump from bolter

[dry cloak]

Let them suicide

[vernal trench]

True

[uncut pebble]

Have you considered not shooting bursters and instead just pushing them?

[vernal trench]

Great advice

I wouldve never thought of that personally

[rustic beacon]

Tbf, still advice most people need to hear. Whenever I play maelstrom with poxburster waves I realize that most people actually have no idea how to deal with them

[thick needle]

Spawned at the bottom of the walkway before you blow up the stimm orb
I was shooting it watching it run up on me like the Juggernaut

[tame void]

for anyone curious

[woven vigil]

That flak armor with scarf looks sexy. My only complaint is that it's winter camo

I understand that its the regiment, but still...

[tame void]

theres also a backpack for the set, but is on the zealot page

[pastel pumice]

@tall torrent

EYES UP GUARDIAN

CAXE SKIN

[tame void]

it really does look like the tac axe

[north nimbus]

for make every shoot count penenc i can't pick up ammo from the ground and is scavenger perk bad for that?

[dry cloak]

You can

But its ill advised

[north nimbus]

ok so no ammo pick up bolt pistol and make sure every shot count

btw i just need to hit a target not kill it

[dry cloak]

Shotgun

Take a ahotgun

[north nimbus]

why that

i am ok aim with bolt pistol 😄

[dry cloak]

Because spread

Only one pellet needs to connecr for it to count as accurate

[north nimbus]

no need did it on frist try with bolt pistol

[dry cloak]

Well done

Be happy of yourself

Celebrate

[north nimbus]

i will i going to take cup of coffee 😄

i mean it is shooter if you play game like CoD 1 and 2 MW 1 Battlefileds and any other shooter this is easy just aim 😄

i probably would mess up with shootgun

[dry cloak]

You do you

[north nimbus]

it is not that i brag my self i just saying

[dry cloak]

I did it with a revolver

Moatly because bistol did not exist yet

[north nimbus]

😄

now really hard one will be to finish mission with out any melee hit

funny on psyker i finish 3 mission with out elite melee hit on me

[tough tiger]

Run shredder frags and use the bolt pistol with lethal prox, i got on overwatch on havoc 40 of all things by spamming the bolt pistol into hordes

[north nimbus]

😄

will try

[warm bolt]

Really easy to not get hit in melee if anything that even approaches anything remotely close to melee distance gets vaporised either by bolter or by shredder nades, i loik it

[thick needle]

Be warned, people will judge you for not running Survivor with it

Mostly just by Zealots with Bolters

If it sounds like I'm joking, this happened three times back to back

Zealots apparently habitually watch their ammo stash for those three bullets if you kill an elite within cohesion

[soft trellis]

I look at my ammo color more than my ammo amount, since one of the mods I have turns the icon yellow when it gets close to half

Then again I am not most zealots <.<

[unreal nova]

I just forget my gun exists then remember I have a flamer expecting my bolt pistol. Heh.

[soft trellis]

I kept doing that with my flamer when I brought that with a dueling sword... so when I have my dueling sword I take an autopistol/brauto/infantry autogun so I can shoot trappers in case of missing my throwing knives

Granted, I don't play havoc otherwise I would still take the flamer

[unreal nova]

Is havoc stuff, double panic then lul.

[soft trellis]

Havoc is cool on paper to me, but, it isn't fun for me... it's just vt2 weaves... but for darktide...

and weaves weren't fun for me either

[north nimbus]

people scream about many thing one guy was like why you use bolt pistol as psyker wee need ammo

[soft trellis]

At least it doesn't have invisible enemies like weaves

[cloud thunder]

For now…

[soft trellis]

[soft trellis]

Some people have too much time to complain about other people's builds/performance...

[unreal nova]

Is worse in normal, non-aurics/havoc stuff.

Like seriously.

[north nimbus]

to be fair when i run with bolt pistol on psyker i don't hog all the ammo

[soft trellis]

I mean... the randos are also worse in base game(and ig mid 20's havoc)

[unreal nova]

You could goof off only melee and still be fine.

[unreal nova]

Yes, but complaining about builds then.

[pseudo fiber]

10000 suicide rats

[unreal nova]

Like, what did you expect in normal malice or heresy?

[soft trellis]

I've... actually never had someone complain about my build, but, I don't take stealth on zealot normally

at least not that I can remember

but I have adhd so I probably forgot if they did

[unreal nova]

Some ppl can be anal if you don't play the way they expect you to.

[soft trellis]

Yeah, I've had people complain about my playstyle before I know that much.

Then again a ton of randos forget to even loot the mission :/

[unreal nova]

Well, you only need one loot gremlin.

[soft trellis]

Me in a nutshell: loot goblin/gremlin lol

[rustic beacon]

At least havoc doesn‘t consist to 95% of cheese spots like weaves

[soft trellis]

Havoc is probably better overall, yeah

[unreal nova]

Boomies!

But yeah, my vet is a gremlin.

[soft trellis]

Been a certified professional loot goblin since vt2. I learned early how bad randos are at looting lol

[rustic beacon]

True, the saving grace in vermintide was that you could get bots to pick up items and pass them to teammates

[soft trellis]

tru

[unreal nova]

I see shiniez, nobody keep me away from shiniez.

[soft trellis]

pretty much

[tawdry jackal]

need help with havoc weapons and such

using the recommend ILG

[rustic beacon]

General recommendations?

• For pus-hardened I run recon las 7b (better ammo economy than 12) with infernus+dumdum and crit+maniac
• For non-pus-hardened I use plasma

For melee go combat axe if you invest in the right side and go for weapon specialist. If you don‘t wanna do that use dueling sword or power sword

[tawdry jackal]

pushardened is assumed and yeah. using powersword as well

switching to recon lasgun 7b as suggested

[tawdry jackal]

7b? which one of these https://i.imgur.com/cHUZSU3.png

[vernal trench]

Im trying out combat axe its good but its so incredibly alow

Slow

[tawdry jackal]

currently running the xiv

[rustic beacon]

Oh wow, I apparently got super confused. Sorry, I mean 6c

[tawdry jackal]

6c has less ammo in reserve it seems

[rustic beacon]

Do you use it with trench fighter drill?

[vernal trench]

Forgot which one that is

Where is it

[rustic beacon]

It‘s the 10% attack speed before weapon spwcialist

[vernal trench]

Na i dont have it

I meant slow as in slow at running around

[rustic beacon]

Ah fair enough. True that

[vernal trench]

harder to pull distance cuz im so used to knife

but its a fun change

[unreal nova]

Green one.

[rustic beacon]

It does, but in combination with its fire rate and damage per shot it ends up being the most ammo efficient

[tawdry jackal]

https://i.imgur.com/aOWfCKu.png

[unreal nova]

The middle one.

[rustic beacon]

Nah, 12 uses too much ammo in havoc

It‘s better for auric but not in havoc

[vernal trench]

No demo team?

[tawdry jackal]

lets talk about it chonky

thats why i put that up

[vernal trench]

Wat

[tawdry jackal]

yeah but that cleave tho

[unreal nova]

Wait, you saying brown has use now?

Blue is fast, green middle and brown heavy?

[tawdry jackal]

im saying that i put that up to show current recon las build. It uses recon las XIV, mk 6 powersword

[vernal trench]

Is it for havocs tho

[fleet drift]

What’s dump stat for revolver?

[rustic beacon]

Tbh I have no idea what the colors are cause I always slap the red commisary skin on

[unreal nova]

Why I mention the shot speed lul.

[vernal trench]

Mobility 80 power sword is wild

[tawdry jackal]

wait

it is?

[vernal trench]

that cleave is needed for horde clear

[tawdry jackal]

something got fucked up statwise since the updates

[rustic beacon]

Ah you meant middle as in middle fire rate? Then we are recommending the same one

My bad

[tawdry jackal]

no i swear that 80 in mobility wasn't fucking there before

it was 60 mobility

[vernal trench]

Just get w new one

A

[tawdry jackal]

tl;dr all my weapons stats got changed randomly

[soft trellis]

yeah and for havoc they omega mass enemies

[tawdry jackal]

i used to have perfect 80s with the 60 dumpstat weapons

[rustic beacon]

I also run 60 cleave target on power sword

[soft trellis]

so cleave is important in havoc

[vernal trench]

Yea the cleave for ps on havocs is insane

[tawdry jackal]

skip the lecture pls i got hit with a bug

it aint on me

[unreal nova]

Yes. The green one. So middle fire rate.

[soft trellis]

That's why wrath is taken on the relic blade, for one of the mks iirc

[vernal trench]

Ba we gonna grill u

[tawdry jackal]

bro go grill fatshark it wasn't me

[vernal trench]

Imma use ps instead of combat axe

[tawdry jackal]

here i got the song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g5Hz17C4is

[vernal trench]

Combat axe is so fuckjng slow might as well go ps

[tawdry jackal]

gonna have to redo my favored weapons now anyway can we talk talents?

[rustic beacon]

I love ps for moebian 21st especially. Otherwise vet feels kinda useless in melee

[vernal trench]

Yea ps is so good lmfao

[tawdry jackal]

praise the emperor

now to rebuild the motherfucker

[rustic beacon]

Demo team is a must. I personally like to go all in on grenades in havoc, like I drop stam regen, keystone and the 3 right side talents and get: demo team, twinned blast, grenadier

[vernal trench]

Idk about twinend blast i trued it and it didnt really do anything

Or it did and i didnt even notice it

[rustic beacon]

I find it helps clear mixed packs significantly faster when it procs (or saves you from throwing the 3rd grenade) rather often. But might also be some imagination in there tbh

[vernal trench]

How do u even tell if it throws 2

I cant even notice it

[unreal nova]

Is just gambling.

[unreal nova]

You literally throw two.

[vernal trench]

Life is a gamble

[rustic beacon]

There is a slight delay in the explosions so you can hear the sound

[vernal trench]

U csnt see when u throw it?

If it throws 2

[rustic beacon]

You can but I usually miss it in intense situations. But you hear the explosion sound twice

[unreal nova]

Two will fly from your hand, yes.

[vernal trench]

Not worth a point if i cant notice it

Illl try it again one day naybe

[tawdry jackal]

ok so i've had people tell me to take stam regen alot like the guy who makes the hammer of the emperor guide

[vernal trench]

Just put it on ur curios

[cloud thunder]

Pretty sure you want 2 sprint eff at least with 1 stamina regen

[rustic beacon]

Stam regen talent node is really good for some weapons, especially knife. On ds it‘s also good. On ps and combat axe I don‘t find it very noticable

[cloud thunder]

Just put what feels good to you

[tawdry jackal]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da75d65-6986-472d-9e69-bfc2c1c87ac0/recon-gunner-2 the build

[vernal trench]

I use 1 block efficiency and 3 combat ability regen

Its not a good bUuld for havocs

[tawdry jackal]

https://i.imgur.com/X5SahaR.png https://i.imgur.com/aOWfCKu.png

[vernal trench]

Maybe for auric maelstroms its good

[rustic beacon]

I settled on 3x ability, 3x stam regen, 2x sprint eff, 1x gunner res. I should probably switch gunner res out tbh

[vernal trench]

I got 3 gunner res lmfao

[tawdry jackal]

well yeah i've never played havocs before yesterday because this was the build for before havocs even existed

[vernal trench]

Ah

[tawdry jackal]

and it goes off the recommended guides: https://1drv.ms/w/c/e2a0a519389b2f30/EciPxKdXTJlPiEj2LUHKr58BbN_LckMOC4bba3qnlO8THg

[cloud thunder]

I just really disagree with catch your breath on that one.

[rustic beacon]

Do you feel a difference with it in havoc? I feel like they are shredding too fast regardless

[vernal trench]

just change doem stuff around and ur havoc ready

[tawdry jackal]

i gotta redo everything now

which is fine but will take some time

[cloud thunder]

You think you’re not gonna have enemies in your range in havoc 40?

[vernal trench]

Ive never tried without it but it gives me enough time to react and use my ability before they get to my health

Cux i run out in the open a lot

[rustic beacon]

The guide isn‘t aimed at havoc

[tawdry jackal]

that might be a swap for havoc's

[vernal trench]

Whats catch ur breath again

[tawdry jackal]

that's why we're talking man. Cause that was my bible

now i gotta redo things for havoc

[cloud thunder]

I use a slightly different build tbh

[vernal trench]

How do i make my build into a skill tree like that

[rustic beacon]

This is what I run

For recon I switch close order drill to shock trooper

[cloud thunder]

Why catch your breath in havocs 💀

[tawdry jackal]

i mean i guess keystone really isn't needed

[rustic beacon]

Both do almost nothing

[cloud thunder]

But left is way more value than right 100% on havocs

[tawdry jackal]

hey man are you not paying attention? old non havoc build being retooled for havoc

[rustic beacon]

And catch your breath is nice for drawn out shoot outs

[tawdry jackal]

just keep that in mind and lets keep it chill

[cloud thunder]

Wasn’t talking to you

[tawdry jackal]

oh ok

sorry man

[cloud thunder]

I also go middle path

[tawdry jackal]

maybe weapon specialist so i can have a keystone? im at the point where focus target keystone doesn't seem to do anything for me tho, now i see the wisdom

[cloud thunder]

At top

For havocs

Since you’re in coherency a lot more

So movespeed doesn’t matter too much

[rustic beacon]

I go right for OfB cause it pairs nicely with shredder nades

[cloud thunder]

I go right for aurics

[rustic beacon]

Imo middle or right is just preference. There is no better one

[vernal trench]

No keystone

This is my build for havocs

[rustic beacon]

Wow, you are going all in on infiltrate

[cloud thunder]

That’s a instant deny from me

[vernal trench]

Sounds like a skill issue to me

[cloud thunder]

Nah I’ll just take more value shout

[vernal trench]

Infiltrate is goated

I mean if u need golden toughness to survive on a havoc 40 its just a skill issue

[rustic beacon]

How come you like infiltrate that much? I saw some people praising it a lot

[cloud thunder]

Nah it’s just a selfish build

[rustic beacon]

But never tried it in havoc so far

[vernal trench]

it carries if used right

[cloud thunder]

I have zero interest in taking selfish builds

[vernal trench]

U just have no idea how hard it carries XD

[cloud thunder]

Sure.

[rustic beacon]

How do you use it right? Honest question

[vernal trench]

Clear frontlines

Clutch when the entire team is dead

[tawdry jackal]

that makes alotta sense. tyh

[cloud thunder]

Entire team wouldn’t be dead if played correctly with shout

[tawdry jackal]

gotta roll out

[vernal trench]

Entire team sucks if they need shout to survive

[cloud thunder]

That mentality is what makes it a selfish build

[rustic beacon]

That‘s where my thoughts end up as well

[vernal trench]

I mean u do u but if ur a good player u wont need golden toughness

Same with games with no bubble shield

[cloud thunder]

It’s not even just the toughness

[vernal trench]

Or whatever

[cloud thunder]

It’s very good CC and you can use it often

With the elite perk

[vernal trench]

Yea it does different things

than shout entirely

[steep flower]

I can vouch for it tho; mah man knows what hes doing

[vernal trench]

its stupid to compare it

[cloud thunder]

Don’t really care

The fact he said entire team dead

[vernal trench]

papa willy carries with his ogryn

[cloud thunder]

Most 40’s I run don’t have that situation.

[fleet drift]

Anyone got advice for laspistol build for vet?

[vernal trench]

Yea cuz u stack 2 books 1 shout the whole game

[cloud thunder]

Nah

1 shout 1 book 1 psyker and 1 ogryn

[tame lodge]

Mk2

[steep flower]

In 4h i will be off work or so; wanna hit a 40 to show ya how its done ey?

[vernal trench]

As soon as u take away the golden toughness all the cheese survivors get clapped

[vernal trench]

Hell yea i gotta see this professional meta build shout vet build lmfao

[cloud thunder]

I’m going to be at work

[warm bolt]

I heard ghost is good

[fleet drift]

Blessing and Perk?

[steep flower]

Bummer

[cloud thunder]

And I have zero desire to play with you guys

[vernal trench]

Sounds like a skill issue

[cloud thunder]

Because it’s sounding like an uphill fight

If you’re used to entire team being dead

[vernal trench]

I bet u would instant decline ogryns too

[cloud thunder]

Yeah totally skill issue

[tame lodge]

Ghost Dumdum

[steep flower]

2 stubborn to expand views; it is ok my friend

[cloud thunder]

^ yeah I instant decline ogryns

[tall torrent]

Which variant

[cloud thunder]

^

[vernal trench]

So u decline charge zealots too

[fleet drift]

What about perk?

[vernal trench]

Or psykers with no bubble

[cloud thunder]

Nah can do gunpsyker

[vernal trench]

Man u gotta be trolling

[cloud thunder]

Can do 2 psyker instead of ogryn

[vernal trench]

Accepting gunspyker but declining infiltrate

[steep flower]

Never seen scriers psiker in any havoc lv no joke

[vernal trench]

Same

[cloud thunder]

There’s plenty good ones who melee scrier FGS

[vernal trench]

Id be down to see someone run it well tho

How u gonan find all that ammo in a 40

[warm bolt]

I'd consult the guide tbh but what i remember is either carapace+crit or carapace+maniac

[cloud thunder]

There’s a whole bunch of them in zealot chat

[vernal trench]

unless u let the psyker take all the ammo in the game

[cloud thunder]

Brother has issues reading

[cloud thunder]

^

[vernal trench]

Yea theres w whole bunch of people complaining about emperors fading light there too

[tame lodge]

Maniac Elites/Flak

[cloud thunder]

A guy even solo havoc 40 with scrier FGS psyker

[vernal trench]

I dont doubt that i just havent seen one

Almsot eveyr psyker i see jsut runs the same meta build

Same with zealot or vet

[unreal nova]

Cos everyone wants True Survivor.

[cloud thunder]

For a reason. But I’ve been messing around with EK assail psyker when we finish our havoc 40 trains for the week

[warm bolt]

Yeah havoc doesnt really have any incentive to try out less conventional builds

[unreal nova]

And every time we have a not known to me guy, they end up accidentally potatoing.

[vernal trench]

Just stack books like a bunch of noobs and door the bosses

[cloud thunder]

You can mess around after you get your clear for the week and help others.

[vernal trench]

I mean i just do it anyway it makes it fun

[cloud thunder]

Which is what my friend group does

[warm bolt]

I mean more power to you

Fatshark wont burn your PC down if you do

[cloud thunder]

We mess around with weird builds but if I saw infiltrate vet in a pug, I would deny. That’s what most people will do.

[vernal trench]

Fatshark stealing my credit card

[cloud thunder]

That’s just a fact

[vernal trench]

too bad cuz i get accepted into almsot any game apply

[warm bolt]

But also raining on someone's parade when they have fun their way which happens to be meta and then saying you just want to have fun seems kinda

[cloud thunder]

Probably because they can’t see builds from PF without the mod

[vernal trench]

and most games i end up carrying them cuz no one can play the game aside from those rare times i find good players

[vernal trench]

Id hate to break it to u most people jsut dont care

[cloud thunder]

Sure.

[unreal nova]

You can only see in lobby. But by then, too late and just have to deal with it.

[vernal trench]

Ive never had anyone ask me to change builds in the god knows how many havocs ive done in party finder

[cloud thunder]

If you’re on now, stream a pug 40

Because they can’t see your build

[vernal trench]

get on and ill show u in game

[cloud thunder]

Until it’s too late

[rustic beacon]

Not really something you can blame on the players when book is a legitimate ability in the game. People just use the tools fatshark gives them

[cloud thunder]

I’m at work my guy

Stream it

[vernal trench]

they can just ask me to change it when everyones getting ready but no one ever does

[vernal trench]

I mean fair enough but it still takes very little skill

but dooring bosses is stupid

[vernal trench]

When do u get off work

[cloud thunder]

8-9 hours

And I already have plans with friends

[vernal trench]

Yea no worries

[cloud thunder]

Helping 2 people get their 40 today

Stream it though?

You said it’s easy in pugs

To carry

[vernal trench]

Im not even on how am i gonna stream it

[cloud thunder]

Because you have the capability to get on now? No?

[steep flower]

Well anyday man poke me and i’ll show you hiw ogryn fairs :3

[unreal nova]

Just plan a time for it then.

[cloud thunder]

Like playing with me does nothing

[vernal trench]

Well im not on so no

[cloud thunder]

I gotta watch your POV

To fully understand

[vernal trench]

getting u back up whenever u down will show u enough

[cloud thunder]

I mean I’ll be fine

[vernal trench]

I love ogryn

[cloud thunder]

I can’t see what you’re doing because I’m paying attention to my own shit

So

It’s better if you stream it

Why is this a huge issue?

[vernal trench]

Papa u and stompt gotta do both ogryns one day again

[steep flower]

Fair point

[vernal trench]

How does that make sense

[cloud thunder]

Like I won’t be watching you

[steep flower]

Yeah like that one time XD

[vernal trench]

U can tell what anyones doing if ur in the same game

[vernal trench]

We got fucked by that random

[cloud thunder]

So how can I see the benefits of your build?

Makes no sense

[vernal trench]

Cuz im in ur game

[cloud thunder]

Holy shit

Are you stupid

[warm bolt]

Cant you make like a clip of a havoc run?

[vernal trench]

Unless u just have no situational awareness

[cloud thunder]

Whenever my friends make a build, they stream it for us so we can see what it actually does

[vernal trench]

I would if i got one

[warm bolt]

To show how the build functions

[vernal trench]

Im not playing rn

[warm bolt]

Well when you get on i mean

[steep flower]

Thats valid; im willing to show ya

[vernal trench]

Sure

[cloud thunder]

Appreciate it

[vernal trench]

id do it if i was already playing

But im off already

[cloud thunder]

I’m open to seeing what it does

[vernal trench]

ill get u a clip whenever i can

[steep flower]

Nitro is on this server as base so it aint gonna be console quality back in the days

[vernal trench]

Is it?

[steep flower]

Yeah

[unreal nova]

Is just console quality.

The voice quality is worse than ingame lmao.

[steep flower]

Glorious 30 fps

[cloud thunder]

Just ping me when you’re on to stream or a 5-10 minute clip or something

[unreal nova]

And that stuff isn't as heavy as vid.

[steep flower]

Stream is better cause you see it all

[cloud thunder]

I agree.

But chonky for some reason doesn’t want to stream it

Makes it sus tbh

[steep flower]

• you can have a meal in the meantime; free netflix show xD

[cloud thunder]

💀

[unreal nova]

Vid is spotty when GF streams GI to me. Blurry basically.

[brittle marten]

ping me as well
wanna watch it too

[steep flower]

Ayay

[brittle marten]

gold toughness suck
dont wanna play with it
forced to play with it because im bad at the game
🥲

[cloud thunder]

Has to be in a pug too

[vernal trench]

Lmfao i do have. Aclip of a double beast of nurgle and a captain

[vernal trench]

Papa willy will show u how to play ogryn

[cloud thunder]

I don’t care about ogryn

I know what it does

I play with a few

And I’ve seen their pov

I wanna see stealth vet pug 40 POV

[steep flower]

Pickaxe or shield?

[cloud thunder]

Both

Charge and taunt too

[steep flower]

Ahh i see

Well its all up to chonky then

[cloud thunder]

Yeah we have two ogryn mains

In our friend group

[rustic beacon]

When I host I started to always grab one of every class. Makes it more enjoyable imo

[steep flower]

We can play together and he will stream

[cloud thunder]

So we roll havoc 40 with them

Even helped one get their first 40 and now he regularly runs 40’s with us

[vernal trench]

Yea sure whenever i get on again

[cloud thunder]

Aight

Ping me and @brittle marten

[steep flower]

Ay ay; see ya in 4h maybe then!

[cloud thunder]

Sounds good

Will be around my lunch break

[vernal trench]

Dpeends on how tired i am i might not play again today

If i can get stompt too ill play tho

But hes probably gonna be at work

[cloud thunder]

So

You were saying this works in pugs then now you’re having 3/4 not pugs?

[unreal nova]

He still won't just carry me.

[vernal trench]

Yea it works in pugs but im not gonna suffer through shit teamates if i dont have to lmao

[vernal trench]

he doesnt like malice difficulty

[cloud thunder]

But you say it carries

[vernal trench]

yea it does

[cloud thunder]

Even if full team dead

[vernal trench]

Carrying doesnt make shit teamates not shit

[cloud thunder]

You can clutch

But that’s what carry does

It picks up shit teammates slack

[vernal trench]

Yea and they all die right after again msot of the time

[unreal nova]

I play heresy, reeeeeeeeeeee (and more. But only with friends since 300 ping with questionable packet loss is hell.)

[cloud thunder]

So it can’t hard carry like you said then

You just have your group play around it then?

[vernal trench]

that guy wint even do auric maelstroms if u can drag him into heresy id be surprised

[vernal trench]

Yea cuz im tired of doing that

[cloud thunder]

I mean

[vernal trench]

i want good games where people are good (papa and stompt and whoever else)

[cloud thunder]

You can have weird builds in friend groups for fun and it can work sometimes

Doesn’t mean it’s optimal for pugging

[unreal nova]

I know, he rejected invite to brutes.

[vernal trench]

Lmfao

[unreal nova]

When it was auric only.

[vernal trench]

He does havocs im sure hed play with u if ur doing havoc 40s

Stompt kinda just does whatever he wants

[cloud thunder]

But anyways sure

3/4 no pug I guess

[vernal trench]

Yea cuz i dont feel like it after playing with people who cant even push bursters uesterday

[cloud thunder]

I mean yeah pugs are bad

[unreal nova]

Unless he's carrying, isn't gonna work. Too much lag tbh.

[cloud thunder]

But still

Very different goalpost now

From what you initially said

[vernal trench]

Idk what goalpost ur talking about im not gonan go queue pubs for no reason if im already tired of it

[cloud thunder]

If you’re with friend group, then sure, stealth vet can work. Off meta can work. Because friend groups know each others playstyle

[vernal trench]

Hey i took like 34 danage on 300 ping u got no excuse

29 damage*

[unreal nova]

Questionable packet loss.

[cloud thunder]

I mean we started this by saying most pugs would instantly deny you if they knew your build

[vernal trench]

Practically emperors fading light 4 with how fast they eat into my health

[unreal nova]

I can stand there take no damage or die to nothing out of nowhere.

[vernal trench]

Well i can tell u no one does that cuz i get into games pretty quickly

[cloud thunder]

Because they can’t see your build

How many times we gotta go in this circle

[unreal nova]

Well, until clutch randomly breaks with nothing near me.

[vernal trench]

They can jsut ask me to change when were all in the start screen

[cloud thunder]

They probably don’t pay attention

Or assume you’ll swap

[vernal trench]

Pretty crazy no one ever pays attention

[cloud thunder]

Then you don’t. Then it’s like “fuck this, whatever”

[unreal nova]

Naw, ppl check.

I get hard rejected on my psyker.

[vernal trench]

Ive had people make jokes because i would name myself PlasmaShoutDsVet and they see me run infiltrate lmfao

[unreal nova]

And rejected half the time on my zealot.

[vernal trench]

Sounds like a lot of mental gymnastics for u to accept i get into most games i queue up on

The times i get rejected are when its another vet hosting sometimes

[cloud thunder]

But you say it hard carries and clutches

[vernal trench]

They dont want 2 vets competing for anno

[unreal nova]

And I run basically support builds for both.

[rustic beacon]

You sure? Might just be true level, title and isignia. The moment I equipped true survivor+twin hard mode insignia I basically never got rejected again

[vernal trench]

yea cuz it does and the build more than allows for that

[vernal trench]

its mostly that tbh

[cloud thunder]

But you won’t show it

[steep flower]

Cause its invis; invis in fatshark games was always goated

[cloud thunder]

Doesn’t have to be today

[vernal trench]

titles sre only for being accepted into party finder

[cloud thunder]

If you’re too tired

[unreal nova]

Only have havoc forged. Everything else is eh. Guess twins hard mode.

[cloud thunder]

Can do tomorrow

[vernal trench]

Watching stompt basically solo a havoc 40 on refinery delta lmfao

[vernal trench]

Yea sure

Or if im on later

[cloud thunder]

Aight

Ping me and hype then

PUG

[steep flower]

No way on that abomination of a map

[vernal trench]

Yea if i even play pugs again

[vernal trench]

He was on shroudfield

[cloud thunder]

That’s what I’m saying

[vernal trench]

One guy was a bot

[cloud thunder]

To ping us for

When you do pug, stream it

[steep flower]

Ah makes more sense

[vernal trench]

I died a couple times and he was just looping around it doing the minigame

[cloud thunder]

I don’t care about friend groups especially if one guy can solo havoc 40.

[vernal trench]

At the end we just looped around until the shit zealot died so we can escape into the elevator

Stompt can true solo clandestine if he really tried or bothered

[steep flower]

But tbh; pugs are mostly filled with ppl who cannot coordinate

[vernal trench]

Yea

[steep flower]

There are some gems

[vernal trench]

And they die as soon as i get them up

[steep flower]

But most of it is just plain rocks

[unreal nova]

And he won't carry my H40. Hrmph.

[vernal trench]

Yea sometimes u get some godly players like that guy that does 1.8 mil on an ogryn

[steep flower]

For ogryn to throw

[vernal trench]

Godgryns are so fun to play with

[steep flower]

We can play tonight

[vernal trench]

Makes the game so easy

karien gonna be sleeping

Asia timezone lmao

[steep flower]

I don’t discriminate; thats how i saw what chonky can do on infiltrate vet

[unreal nova]

I only have a chorus aura support bot.

[vernal trench]

Papa willy is a good man

[steep flower]

Its alright

[vernal trench]

I vouch

We got those 2 guys onto true survivor too that one time

[steep flower]

As long as it aids the team in any capacity its not bad

[vernal trench]

U taught them to power of communication

[steep flower]

Remember; if it works it ain’t stoopid

[unreal nova]

Depends. You have like, 6 hours from now before I slip into eepy gaming.

[steep flower]

[vernal trench]

Exactly

Im down to see any crazy builds if they can make it work

[steep flower]

4 but i will be on for a long time anyways

[unreal nova]

And that's like taking assail into uprising and stumbling off Gloriana.

[vernal trench]

Man we gotta get stompt on

Its fun with a good team

[unreal nova]

Cos micronapping.

[steep flower]

Especially if everyone is chatty

[vernal trench]

Frustrating when u dont

U remember that level 700 zealot that took all the ammo

[unreal nova]

What good?

Ask Chaos, I just panic bot.

[steep flower]

I had many games where ppl are as chatty as mutes