veteran-class

[vernal trench]

Why kraks are dogshit in havocs

[oblique totem]

Easy krak grenade kill

[proven garden]

I don’t play vet in havoc I wouldn’t know but I’m assuming that’s why everyone takes shredders instead

[oblique totem]

Since the shield is actually held a bit out, the explosion can sometimes also hit others

[vernal trench]

yea shredders have bigger range and spam 3 of them and ull kill an entire horde of elites

[raw needle]

thats like the last reason for taking shredders

[sullen jackal]

so like. Melee > ranged > specialist in terms of how fast it will kill your HP dead. But specialists > ranged > melee in order of how easy it is to avoid their damage.

[raw needle]

shredders are fucking busted

[sullen jackal]

or how hard rather

[proven garden]

Sounds hilarious

[vernal trench]

Yea lmao it is the main damage dealer in some builds

[proven garden]

I liked how kraks sounded more

[oblique totem]

Is that a recent change?

[sullen jackal]

specialists being the worst because one wrong move and you literally can't make any more moves lmao

[raw needle]

3 of them and an uncanny stick can take an infinite amount of crushers to like 10% hp

[vernal trench]

No they have 8000 health in havoc 36-40

[sullen jackal]

whereas crushers can push you into a bad position just fine while you still dodge their overheads

[vernal trench]

Kraks have no horde clearing abilities whatsoever

[oblique totem]

Huh. Wonder why I never noticed that

[vernal trench]

In high havocs u will be seeing hundreds of elites every game

kraks aint gonna do shit when 20 crushers come at u at once

[oblique totem]

Granted, havoc games are fairly new to me so.

[sullen jackal]

and ranged are kinda in the middle. You can't deal with them trivially by dodging and pushing, but you can slide/time dodges/take cover?

[faint beacon]

Shredders will however

[sullen jackal]

(which won't work against the incredibly aggressive and agile specialists)

[vernal trench]

Depends on which havocs tho

[oblique totem]

Maybe just haven't gotten there yet. It's fine though. Shredder grenades work too

[sullen jackal]

but sometimes you get three potatoes and have to do everything yourself

[oblique totem]

I can adapt

[faint beacon]

Vets most effective build is literally just Shredder Grenadier in high havoc

[proven garden]

That’s hilarious

[vernal trench]

Yea but if ur fighting a horde of crushers u should be positioned in a way u can always pull a lot of distance to shoot them if u have to

[oblique totem]

Just go straight down the middle with the most basic build for vet

[vernal trench]

Lmfao shredders are awesome

[faint beacon]

Next to Recon las ammo efficiency

[oblique totem]

Shredder grenades plus VoC plus that middle keystone

[sullen jackal]

ya but someone not facing crushers is in a better position to kill the higher priority stuff before focusing on the crushers

[oblique totem]

Actually I think shredder grenades are on the right?

[faint beacon]

You run Bistol with LP and Grenade Tinkerer so you can nuke entire hordes of elite spam

[raw needle]

left

right is smoke

[vernal trench]

Yea ideally the vet is further back prepared to kill any disablers or specials

[sullen jackal]

so like... It's important someone takes the attention of the crushers, and that someone will be the least able to deal with anything else.

[raw needle]

middle is kraks

[oblique totem]

Yeah that tracks

[vernal trench]

Too bad u got people in auric maelstroms that will let u stay in a net for 10+ seconds while they slowly kill eveyrhing around u or try

Auric maelstroms are so forgiving u can actually do that is the worst part

[sullen jackal]

tbh I actually think the extreme amount of gunners or ragers or the like that sometimes happens is good because it forces role differentiation instead of one person being the hero

[vernal trench]

U dont get extreme amounts of anythijg in auric maelstroms

Maybe aside from the dog and mutie modifiers

[orchid hemlock]

Nah

Other than melee specialist modifyers, I generally use whatever build 🤷🏻

[vernal trench]

No ammo is rough

[orchid hemlock]

Sure but only if you are going Gunlugger

[oblique totem]

My favorite part about being caught in the net is when a flamer burns the ground I'm on and someone tried to heal me only to also go down

Then a pox bomber dives in

[orchid hemlock]

Hunting grounds is literally a free win

[vernal trench]

Pox gas is the worst one

[orchid hemlock]

Nah pox is one of the better ones, because u get free health stims

[vernal trench]

Ive played maybe one pox gas

It wasnt fun

[orchid hemlock]

The worst ones are melee specialist and no ammo

Sniper spam can be nasty, but tbh that is just a skill check

[vernal trench]

The worst one is how shit the teamates are on jt

It

[orchid hemlock]

Gunner spam is also nasty

[vernal trench]

Sniper spam is pretty fun

Gunner spam on havoc 40 is nasty

[sullen jackal]

snipers do want a lil role specialization because it takes more focus to hit a far away specialist than a close one

[vernal trench]

Unless u have a competent team

Then anythings easy

[vernal trench]

Yea

[sullen jackal]

yeup you can like... Overfocus and do everything yourself but if something gets over your threshold for that you fold like a chair.

[orchid hemlock]

Snipers are not as nasty as people think they are tho

Because u can control when they are going to shoot

[sullen jackal]

I've seen it happen to randoms so many times.

[vernal trench]

Idk what u mean

[sullen jackal]

your chair folding limit might just be in high havoc

[vernal trench]

Dodge

[queen fox]

If you can't dodge sniper shots 100% of the time that's a skill issue

[orchid hemlock]

If u stand still, u can even use snipers to take out specialists for you

[sullen jackal]

at a certain point of difficulty you go from trivializing everything to eating shit and dying

[vernal trench]

My folding limit is after clutching to rescue my whole team they instantly all die again and im out of abilities

[orchid hemlock]

U can control 20+ snipers

You can't do the same with 20+ gunners

[vernal trench]

Lmfao thats bold

Yea snipers are only nasty when they catch u offguard

[sullen jackal]

ya. Which, with team coordination, never happened because the focus needed is basically non-existent.

[raw needle]

me w/ ghost/that one psyker talent

[vernal trench]

Execpt most of the people on havoc 40 cant even play the game

[orchid hemlock]

Even with dodging abilities, you can't dodge forever

Eventually u will not crit, or need to reload

[vernal trench]

They get folded as soon as a boss and captain spawn

[raw needle]

psyker has guaranteed crit

[sullen jackal]

Sniper focus? Why care about snipers when this one person deletes any specialist on the map the moment they appear? Why worry about ranged units when the vet with a plasma gun and executioner stance is being a human aimbot?

[proven garden]

They rag doll enemies like crazy it’s hilarious

[raw needle]

ehh reload is whatever you can dodge slide while reloading

[vernal trench]

and they all died so i went to rescue the one that respawned only for him to instantly get trapped again

[sullen jackal]

You just focus on melee. Which is well. Trivial when all the rest of the gameplay is dealt with.

[vernal trench]

Yea except how often do u find competent teamates

I had a guy who couldnt even push a burster and downed me on havoc 40

He died like 4 times that game before we lost

[orchid hemlock]

I got true survivor on a PUB run

[sullen jackal]

tbh I think part of why I am stressing this is because some people are better in one role than the other

[orchid hemlock]

No coms just vibes

[vernal trench]

Yea same but thats rare

[sullen jackal]

Can't push a burster? Welp that's your job now.

[vernal trench]

True survivor aint hard if people know what theyre doing

[vernal trench]

Cant push it if its already throw itself at u

[orchid hemlock]

Nah I don't like the penance

Because imagine not dying for the Emporer smh my head

[sullen jackal]

(tbh I usually die to bursters a lot because I tend towards ranged specialist or flex)

[vernal trench]

Thats why the guy infront should always be pushing

[sullen jackal]

You're in front now. Have fun.

[vernal trench]

U can straight die and get it and its stipid

Stupid

[vernal trench]

I was never infront

I slide dodged back and still got bursted on cuz the guy 5m infront didnt do shit

And he went down before the first room event in mercentile to

[sullen jackal]

right so tell them to stay in the back and be the Chad at the front

although tbh those are flankers I think

[vernal trench]

I wish i can type that quick in a second lmao

[fair river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153730044133384302/1334205579933122644/IMG_3504.gif

[vernal trench]

Vroom

[sullen jackal]

I'm on a phone, I am not left handed.

[vernal trench]

One time i had a guy down 13 times die 7 times

[sullen jackal]

ok yes there are the people who I see fight with three poxwalkers and die from full health like

bruh

[vernal trench]

Lmfao

3 hits and down u go

[sullen jackal]

then I look at stats at the end

"0 blocks"

did you know the game has a block and dodge button

[vernal trench]

Average auric maelstrom player

[faint beacon]

Tbf to many people are scared of blocking cause the 0% stam block stagger is incredibly punishing

[vernal trench]

Better than not blocking

[faint beacon]

Darktide is more Dodge Duck and Dive vs Vermintides always be blocking

[vernal trench]

Never played vt

[warm walrus]

just carried a team of 3 psykers in the ogryn event

feels good

[sullen jackal]

then tap

perfect blocking is in this game too

[vernal trench]

Depends on what melee tbh

[tame lodge]

And only like 3 weapons have an actual interaction with it

[sullen jackal]

every weapon that can block has an interaction with it i recall, if only the stamina.

[warm walrus]

oh yeah does mk6 power sword have a different unlock level than mk3?

[tame lodge]

That 10% extra atsp blessing on perfect block on the Relic Blade is pretty bad though

8 seconds is a huge ass cool down

[sullen jackal]

olr maybe not aaa

        block_cost = 0
    end```

hehe

[hearty panther]

theyre all bad, yeah

[sullen jackal]

even the devil claw? :v

[hearty panther]

oh just the blessings

[raw needle]

mastery

[tall torrent]

It’s used as a proc condition and doesn’t do anything on its own

[sullen jackal]

        local no_block_cost = is_perfect_block and buff_extension:has_keyword(buff_keywords.no_parry_block_cost)

        block_cost = no_block_cost and 0 or math.clamp(block_cost, 0, 2)
    end
``` kindasorta

[hearty panther]

they all have internal cooldowns, but theyre like, ridiculously strict

[terse idol]

Urgh code reference

[hearty panther]

you can reproc a dodge blessing basically on every dodge but the perfect block blessings are like, once every 3-10 seconds or whatever

[tall torrent]

That’s DC sword and it’s a stamina cost lock of 2 if perfect block

[hearty panther]

its pretty dumb especially when you consider how much people block vs dodge to begin with

[errant carbon]

Energy Transfer is just fucking baffling how awful it is

[tame lodge]

Just ingrain into your brain

[tall torrent]

Most other weapons have 0 benefit of “perfect block”

[faint beacon]

You really only block when you’re completely surrounded or you can’t dodge but you usually push and try to kite your way out of a group

[hearty panther]

i block all the time personally

[vernal trench]

Dodge is better

[hearty panther]

if you hear a backstab sound just tap block, easiest guaranteed answer so long as its not anything that can overhead

[sullen jackal]

oh yeah there's block window but you can still block 360 i think

block angle

...maybe.

[hearty panther]

yes block is omnidirectional

only the stamina cost changes

[terse idol]

Well to eb fair that holds true from vt1 to darktide iirc

And vt2

[vernal trench]

Why block when u can just get hit?

[faint beacon]

If you hear Ogryn lifting up something or “DIE INSECT!” you will immediately fucking explode if you attempt blocking it lmao

[tame lodge]

revving noises

"Wraaagh"

[faint beacon]

Honorary mention

“OBLITERATE!”

[sullen jackal]

"EXODIA"

[warm bolt]

Crushers draws the pot of greed, which allows him to draw two more fucking crushers from his ass

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/i-absolve-you-of-your-sins-gif-2852924136091083861

[frank basin]

Crusher vs Crusher (zealot melee)

[warm bolt]

Yugs as a zealot would be hilarious

"I SHALL SEND YOU TO THE SHADOW REALM" goes over the table to shank staggered enemy

[warm walrus]

alright chat i know wait for level 30, but what is psword dump stat?

this one dumped finesse and im not sure how to feel

[tame lodge]

That one bug where enemies would spawn and move as one

[narrow frost]

[warm bolt]

That sounds terrifying and hilarious

[warm bolt]

iirc it's mobility

[warm walrus]

in my defense i just woke up

looking

looks like cleave

er

cleave target

...man the one i got dumped finesse
ill hold on to it but imma wait for another one

[tame lodge]

I think the logic behind dumping cleave targets is that CT only affects the cleave value while unpowered
If you power up it gets max cleave
11.7 iirc
Also PS has bad dodges or something so mobility max is ok

[tall torrent]

cleave target

[sullen jackal]

For a psyker, what is the difference between braced and infantry autoguns?

yes i'm asking veteran chat you seem better with guns

[tame lodge]

Guess it comes down to finesse

Finesse vs Cleave perhaps

[hollow ibex]

You don't used braced outside of memes

[tame lodge]

Vraks 5 has 1.15 or something, Agri Iag has 2.1

[hollow ibex]

Braced really wants exec stance or dance of death, which psyker has neither

[raw needle]

you run brauto if you wanna feel like you're cool

like rambo

[tame lodge]

Then Graia 4 has 1.5 and Braced Agri has 3

And because Warp Splitting is a thing you can get 6 cleave on that Braced Agri

Even more with spitter

So I guess Infantry Autogun would be your single target takedown

While Brauto would be spray and pray into a horde to shoot that one guy hiding inside it

Does that make sense?

[hollow ibex]

Don't be the psyker that takes a brauto and sprays into hordes. You'll be constantly red on ammo, and the team would be right to not leave any ammo for you

[sullen jackal]

1.5 vs 3 on agri brauto

[raw needle]

https://tenor.com/view/rambo-first-blood-gif-23989356

[tame lodge]

The ttk would probably be higher on an Iag Psyker than on a Bag Psyker

[sullen jackal]

lag or bag

[tame lodge]

ATP I'm just going with Iag Psyker

[tall torrent]

min-maxing word count in steam guide be like

[hollow ibex]

Yeah IAG psyker has way more synergies with the psyker talent tree

[junior needle]

Brautos aren't particularly performant by comparison

Unless they've been buffed and I haven't heard about it

[hollow ibex]

Nah they're as mediocre as ever

Fun in some situations though

[grand perch]

severely outclassed by autopistol

hah, i wish

[wise wren]

Wanting to try out other classes but the infographic for ogryn outclasses every other community resource 😭

[tall torrent]

Ye, they have really good looking illustrations

[tame lodge]

The other classes are like ogryn

Except they have better dodges than ogryn

[dry cloak]

its made from ogryns for ogryns

[tame lodge]

But worse push

[dry cloak]

its needs to have nice pictures

[tame lodge]

And more melee

And your full autos actually have ammo

Or doesn't shoot peas

Except Shredder Auto Pistol

[wise wren]

Im just struggling a bit with veteran because theres like, only so many ways a gun can actually fire

[tall torrent]

I have a pinned guide here

With mostly usable info

It’s quite condensed

[wanton dawn]

No talent tree though

[wise wren]

Reading through the hammer of the emperor guide atm
mostly just looking for explanations on some sample builds and what weapons can work with eachother n whatnot

[wanton dawn]

The problem with talent tree is that everyone has an opinion

[tall torrent]

Oh then I can give u this

This is very standard entry level veteran build

[wanton dawn]

For instance here, i would like to object but then again, i am probably not entry lvl anymore

[wise wren]

im still leveling atm what weapon setup would you recommend

• does vet have an ideal curio setup

[wanton dawn]

Nah

[hollow ibex]

Outside of havoc, 2 hp and 1 toughness

[wanton dawn]

Nah

[hollow ibex]

Yah

[tall torrent]

Combat axe + revolver is very strong & easy to play

[wise wren]

Im assuming the power sword is a bit gimmicky? I know they've changed it a few times but im not sure its place rn

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664591642967408640/1320852161265143878/axe.mp4?ex=679b39af&is=6799e82f&hm=6148a68540b8fadd355241aef72a4445c41bd6646619e9647d4f54d63d52f597&

[tall torrent]

Not a gimmick, very strong, has notable downsides

[wise wren]

oh right I need to check up my mods again

[queen fox]

its very strong but annoying to use for some

[wanton dawn]

Its meta tier. The mk6 variant

[queen fox]

i thought both were meta and mk6 was just more versatile?

[wanton dawn]

Mk6 is just way better

Due to push attack mostly

[queen fox]

mk6 is better, but mk3 is still stronger than 95% of weapons

[hollow ibex]

Yeah mk6 is just flat out better

[tame lodge]

Mk6 is slightly better than mk3

And well slightly better still better

[hollow ibex]

Slightly?

[queen fox]

njothing in-game clears(non-havoc) hordes like mk3 psword

even mk6 is much slower

[tame lodge]

[wanton dawn]

Meta is powersword mk6, combat axe rashad, duel sword mk4 and i guess combat knife

[wise wren]

One more thing cause its been a moment, do you have a recommended modlist or is modding talk not allowed in here i forogr

[tall torrent]

Nah mk6 is like 0.4s faster

[tall torrent]

I can send u my list but I don’t use a lot of popular ones like spider sense or health bars

[wise wren]

Would be helpful, dms should be set to request

[queen fox]

is this just the light vs heavy attack swing difference?

[tall torrent]

mk3 heavy atk with sunder vs 50 poxwalker was ~9s
mk6 light atk with BM vs 50 poxwalker was ~8.6s

if mk3 with BM, it's slower because ur just looking at mk6's exact kill profile with slower hit rate

sunder was able to get really close because u apply minimum dmg to like 30 other enemies

[wanton dawn]

Might do even better with block anim cancel ?

[queen fox]

thats definitely not how it feels in-game imo

[tall torrent]

I tested with block cancel mk6

[queen fox]

but i trust your research

[hollow ibex]

Doesn't mk6 kill single target much faster

[queen fox]

100%

[wanton dawn]

Push attack yeah

[hollow ibex]

And have inmate block efficiency that mk3 doesn't have

[wanton dawn]

Yep

Mk3 can charge while sprinting

Woohoo

[queen fox]

downside is a longer activation animation that also slows you a bit

[wanton dawn]

You can cancel into block

[hollow ibex]

I'm usually sliding or dodging while charging anyway

And then BC

[queen fox]

it still feels noticeably longer, even while holding block

[wanton dawn]

Is it a few frame longer

[queen fox]

i would guess .2 seconds

aroudn that much

[wanton dawn]

But light pattern is way better

[tall torrent]

It’s faster than mk3

[hollow ibex]

Maybe I'll give mk3 another go just for shits and giggles

[tall torrent]

Mk3 vs mk6 is the equivalent of Antax vs Rashad

[hollow ibex]

But you get funny crackles when killing things

[hexed vale]

What's the best way to use Weapons Specialist? Should I focus on using the ranged buff or melee buff more, and what weapons is it good with?

[hearty panther]

the melee buff is pretty universal. ranged weapons, ideally something that comes out quickly

[wanton dawn]

Agile abuse

[tall torrent]

Use both, swap weapons when necessary

[hexed vale]

I tend to run it with something I can shoot once into a horde to trigger the melee buff, and then swap to melee to swipe while the buff is running.

The ranged buff feels weird. You only need three stacks to get a guaranteed crit, or all 10 to get the max firerate buff. I guess it wants either something that shoots fast, or something that has good crit damage

[tall torrent]

Best with melee weapons that heavily benefit from atk speed

And ranged weapons that heavily benefit from crit chance

[wanton dawn]

I use it with plosma

[tall torrent]

Usually best ranged weapons to pair are revolver, DB shotgun, boltpistol, laspistol

[hexed vale]

Devil's Claw + Slug Shotgun maybe? The Catachan Devil build lol

[tall torrent]

Taking plasma for WS is purely for melee tbh

[wanton dawn]

Nah, i get same dmg overall

Cuz again, agile abuse

[tall torrent]

DC sword is in a weird place for veteran
And combat shotguns are frankly not very good

You’d be sorely lacking carapace dmg in that build

[dry cloak]

kraks

[grand perch]

and yet ive seen 2 serious builds with always prepared for plasma recently. which isnt a lot but weird that it happened twice

not a fan

[wanton dawn]

It works

[grand perch]

pointless. if you dont have the time to reload once in half your ammo pool, youre doing something wrong

[wanton dawn]

The point is not to think. And to path to on your toes

[hollow ibex]

Tbf you can 2 shot crushers with slugs

[grand perch]

if you want on your toes, invigorated is the better pick in case of plasma

[wanton dawn]

For stam ? Please

It is just as pointless

If deadshot was a thing maybe

If anything the ammo one is more likely to save you from mistake

[tame lodge]

Invigorated to feed Deadshot is one of the choices ever

[grand perch]

i consider 20% stam extra way better than reloading a little bit when you have half your ammo in the weapon already

[wanton dawn]

I don't. If i feel stam hungry on a ws build with agile and plasma, I am doing something very wrong

Regardless, it is like the first tier of middle tree. Pointless.

[tall torrent]

It’s the “turn brain off from reloading” node

Which I don’t think is worth 1 point personally but to some people it is

[faint beacon]

It’s really only good on like weapons that really only need like 1-2 shots to drop something

Or have low ammo in a mag

Again- limiting

[sacred igloo]

It's good on revolver and double barrel but that's about it

Maybe bolt pistol but eh

[grand perch]

im talking specifically about plasma

[sacred igloo]

O

[queen fox]

on plasma, its a nice thing to have, but never a core talent

imo

[vernal trench]

Arent u chris

I swear hes a crocosile too

[grand perch]

no but im optimal plasma

@tired egret

[vernal trench]

Wat goin on

Oh yea u not crhsi

Theres 2 crocosiles now

[rustic beacon]

I sometimes take it for plasma in havoc if I run WS with it. Considering how long the plasma reload is (even with cancel) it can sometimes make the difference between getting that gunner/special kill before u have to reload

Usually I go without keystone, though

[visual badge]

vet chat is dead

convince me plasma gun is actually good

[loud belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/bvndit-dead-chat-dead-group-chat-lol-gif-26075659

[tame lodge]

You shoot
It kills
100 cleave

[loud belfry]

so....true??

[warm walrus]

wait wait wait wait

...huh

i thought plasma gun was stopped at the first hit for some reason

you mean to tell me i can railgun hordes?

[visual badge]

plasma gun already has bad ammo economy

I'd just melee them

[warm walrus]

i've been trying plasma for a while

its alright

prefer my bolter though

if nothing else it's satisfying to listen to while mowing a crusher down

[hollow ibex]

Yeah bolter just feels so satisfying to use

[normal bay]

I find plasma really awkward for longer ranged enemies

Smacks everything up close though

[warm walrus]

im giving the meta vet build of plasma+voc+ds a shot, don't have a ds on me but i plan to

[wanton dawn]

It does when hitting carapace

Otherwise it goes through everything

[warm walrus]

huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

i see

[hollow ibex]

I thought it goes through carapace 🤔

Idr

[wanton dawn]

Nope, even charged

[hollow ibex]

I guess it's just bulwark shields that I was thinking of then

[wanton dawn]

For bulwark you can hit the ogryn but not target after

[unique maple]

is there a ranged weapons tierlist

[tame lodge]

Yes

Gimme a sec

[faint beacon]

If I see tanner get recommended

I will skin you Higui

[tame lodge]

I'm too informed for that

[faint beacon]

Okay thank god

[tame lodge]

[faint beacon]

Lmao

[unique maple]

thank you

[tame lodge]

Pretty sure that tier list isn't havoc ready though

[faint beacon]

It’s dated

Besides Havoc is drastically different

[faint beacon]

@unique maple this one is Auric Mael

[tropic halo]

What is exactly the one trick category?

[faint beacon]

So Havoc wise ask questions

[faint beacon]

One good thing going for it

Everything else dookie

[tropic halo]

So their special attack gimmick?

[faint beacon]

Literal in its name

Basically

Or

Stuck to like one job one job only

[tame lodge]

Yeah
The Agripina revolver is basically a boss killer

That's pretty much it

The shredder auto pistol is only decent against Maniacs

[grand perch]

also staggers trappers pretty much instantly

[still crater]

what makes you the #1 tac axe enjoyer

did you go to a convention and win a contest about who enjoys tac axes

[uncut pebble]

Actually, #1 taxe enjoyer is @slow sky ...

[faint beacon]

I’m the Number #1 Vigilant Auto Enjoyer…

[uncut pebble]

Nobody asked, noob... 🚬

[faint beacon]

Get the FUCK out of my channel Zealot noob..

[unique maple]

Sorry to ask again, but is there also a blessing tierlist? I have some doc that went through them awhile ago, but I don't know how outdated it might be now

[slow sky]

Trying to get it buffed....

[faint beacon]

I’d say with veteran it’s extremely playstyle based so check pins

Cause pinned has a guide listing the best combos

[uncut pebble]

What do you even want buffed on it lmao? It's really good to begin with.

[unique maple]

oh does it I didn't see that, sorry and thank you

[tall torrent]

no

I didn't bother making 1 for havoc yet

[slow sky]

On zealot, but it's zealot talents doing the heavy lifting

[tall torrent]

I went straight into steam guide and discussing with kuli

[slow sky]

Have you used taxe on vet or psyker

Is it really good on them?

[uncut pebble]

I've done taxe vet, it's pretty good.

[faint beacon]

Yeah it’s all good should list everything good for the weapons

[uncut pebble]

Reciprocity and desperado do all the work.

[tall torrent]

meh for veteran (B tier pick, has some value)

[uncut pebble]

Think like you had piety and duellist up forever.

[tall torrent]

nah it's not remotely close to duellist

[slow sky]

They're what is making the weapon usable

[tall torrent]

duellist is way too strong

[faint beacon]

If you run TFD and WS

[tall torrent]

welcome to hell

[faint beacon]

It feels like you’re a crackhead that just got let loose

[slow sky]

Not good
Usable

[faint beacon]

Insanely fast swings

But like

It’s genuinely an acquired taste cause it’s not OP

[tame lodge]

Add Precognition to taxes 🗣️

[tall torrent]

wouldn't matter

[uncut pebble]

How about they get a little fuckin cleave first lmao.

[tall torrent]

u unironically need 4 blessings on tac axes to make them good

[faint beacon]

Coming from me who unironically think Taxe is decent on Veteran

[tall torrent]

give tac axe 2 more blessing slots and 3 more perk slots and they'd be pretty good yea

[tame lodge]

Well they have 1.5 to 3 cleave

[pseudo fiber]

das my goat

[tall torrent]

if they could run

Maniac
Unarmored

• flak
• carapace
• unyielding

Brutal Momentum
Headtaker

• shred
• all or nothing

they would actually be pretty good

[coarse wolf]

taxes are good

full stop lol

[tame lodge]

AoN? For weaving push attacks I presume

[coarse wolf]

atrox mk2 with bromentum + shred and you're chilling

[hollow ibex]

They're fun, wouldn't say they're good on vet

[tall torrent]

low stamina = super easy to keep AoN at 4 stacks given it uses PA a lot

32% strength for free basically

[shrewd nova]

I think there was a brief period of time near the release of the game where the tac axe was a top tier weapon

[faint beacon]

On veteran or psyker?

Cause the typical combo is like

[uncut pebble]

Idk, I find taxes to be decent weapons but you have to build for them. PA allows you to fight a 12stack of ragers without dying and thats always great.

[faint beacon]

BM HT
Shred HT

[hollow ibex]

Atrox mk4 my beloved

[last pewter]

Ive a question to you shooty gamers

[tropic notch]

Hsword for vet is so fun

[last pewter]

Im running a Weapons Specialist build with shout, and I like the double barreled, but am wondering if the normal shotguns could also do well, especially considering there's one that can let me load a slug for long range engagements

[austere mica]

Dbarrel works way better

[tropic notch]

You can’t snipe with the d barrel?

[unreal nova]

Most will agree that you are better off using boltpistol at that point or sticking with DB.

[austere mica]

The combat shotguns don't work great with it and using alt fire with weapon spec isn't great

[jaunty tinsel]

what devils claw sword do you guys like the best?

using recon lasgun for reference

[tropic notch]

I’d rather use plasma

[last pewter]

fair, just figured cus I usually have problems with shooters on longer ranges

[austere mica]

Magical power of full right tree

[last pewter]

like past 50

[tropic notch]

Mk4

[austere mica]

Just run smokes

[jaunty tinsel]

what does it have over the others?

[austere mica]

Overhead heavy as heavy 1

Basically just don't pick mk1

[tropic notch]

In my opinion a better moveset

Yeah just don’t pick mk1

[jaunty tinsel]

what perks/blessings?

[last pewter]

thats a good idea tbh, Ill try it and see how I like it

[visual remnant]

Flakiac

Shred rampage

[tropic notch]

Shred and rampage

[rustic beacon]

Rampage+shred/wrath

[last pewter]

last question, what blessings do people run on the DB?

[austere mica]

I can send you my version of the funny if you like

[austere mica]

For this build? Manstopper Flechette

[last pewter]

I run Man-Stopper and Flechette, cus I dont use it outside of wep spec

[tropic notch]

Flack maniac or unyielding

[last pewter]

okay, so I got it well lmao

[visual remnant]

Lmfao

[last pewter]

I would love that

[visual remnant]

Dclaw needs flak

Only non negotiable blessing

[tall torrent]

combat shotguns are horribly inconsistent in terms of dmg, unfortunately

[last pewter]

darn, shame

[austere mica]

I recommend a knife, there are also several modifications you can make for sidegrades/small changes

[last pewter]

btw, now that I look at it

Covering Fire with the DB seems like an idea

assuming that by 'allies' I can apply it to myself

[austere mica]

Nope

[tall torrent]

covering fire doesn't include veteran self

[last pewter]

damn nvm then that shit's ass

[austere mica]

That would make it good

[tall torrent]

wouldn't be "good"
would at least be worth considering

which we obv can't have in a veteran talent tree

[austere mica]

You know what I meant

[last pewter]

tbf if it did include Vet as well

Id go for it and into Fire Team

[tall torrent]

the issue is it'd still be a question of "do u have to shoot that guy 5m away when u can prob melee kill"

[last pewter]

fair, but with DB Weapon Specialist

Im already swapping to my DB when the horde gets a bit too mixed for me

[austere mica]

Oh I swap every 3 kills

Knife can't horde for shit, and ammo is effectively limitless

(for this build)

[last pewter]

Mk6 Knife hordes very well in my experience

[austere mica]

(Outside of havoc)

[narrow frost]

Knife has good hordeclear

[austere mica]

I use mk 3

[last pewter]

I think both varieties are good

I just use Mk3 on my Zealot and wanted a change lol

[austere mica]

I run it here because I can rely on dbarrel for any and all CC

mk6 on zealot because I want versatility there

[last pewter]

Im thinking either knife or Psword, since this is more of a frontliner build

[faint beacon]

Late to the conversation but I think the Duck shot variant with WS if you’re looking to do like what MS Flechette? Could do some pretty funny stuff

[sleek garden]

Is covering fire really that bad

[faint beacon]

Yes tragically

[sleek garden]

I shoot from behind my teammates normally so sniping a trapper behind them and they get a damage boost doesn't sound bad

It's like a no effort way to give your teammate free toughness and damage

[faint beacon]

If you’re looking to frontline you probably could do those listed, Combat Axe, or Shovel if you want to experiment a bit

[terse idol]

Imo mk3 is ouke the east ver of mk6, mk6 is just way better

But also.. form muscle memory to do your heavy attack push attack combo

[austere mica]

"ouke the east ver"

[terse idol]

Pain

[austere mica]

What

[terse idol]

Woops

Thanks phone

[last pewter]

Ive never actually even played Combat Axe

[austere mica]

Good

[last pewter]

outside of the like very start of the game lol

[terse idol]

I think the mk3 is just a baby version of the mk6

[austere mica]

Thats perfectly fine

[terse idol]

I'm not having a stroke

[hollow ibex]

Criminal on vet tbh

[sleek garden]

The Rashad is just busted because of broken brutal momentum interaction

[terse idol]

Rashad going craaazy

[faint beacon]

It’s one of the most overpowered melees in the game and I’ll list why on veteran

Brutal momentum + Headtaker and run Trench Fighter Drill talent

[sleek garden]

Combat axes feel pretty good against everything against large hordes

[faint beacon]

You can literally kill hordes pathetically easily

Desperado also

[hollow ibex]

And single targets too. Does literally everything

[sleek garden]

If you arent doing brutal momentum Rashad I mean

[austere mica]

Caxes just LMB spam everything that isn't an ogryn and get 4 kills a swing

and then 3 tap ogryns

[terse idol]

Oh and also staggers ragers with push attack to interrupt their combo

[faint beacon]

Rashad is the most overpowered

Antax if you want to be hipster

And Achlys if you indulge in masochism

[last pewter]

I might try it for the fuck of it

well I am a big meta hipster

[faint beacon]

It’s literally a Powersword with the mobility of a shovel aka extremely good

[tall torrent]

It’s a power sword that’s always on

Basically

[austere mica]

I think I own a caxe base on every character but none of them are at 500 because I refuse to play it

[faint beacon]

I’ve been indulging in occasional Achlys Caxe cause of its overly complicated horde clear feeling good when I do it lmao

[last pewter]

what are the main differences between the Caxes in terms of performance?

or rather, why is Achlys for the masochists? lol

[quaint sparrow]

Hey guys

quick question

[faint beacon]

Okay so Antax and Rashad horde clear right

Light spam

Single is Heavy spam

[quaint sparrow]

Is the powersword SUPPOSED to turn off if you even so much as get nicked by a poxwalker?

[faint beacon]

Achlys is PA + H1 + L1 repeat ?

I recall

You have to PA

[austere mica]

Yes, hitstun moment

[gentle yoke]

Is there a way to make armourbane penance faster? Feels like I only get a dozen or so per mission

[quaint sparrow]

oof

that makes it a LOT less appealing

[hollow ibex]

I think it's supposed to be a bug but it hasn't been fixed

[austere mica]

Good, leave PS behind

[quaint sparrow]

What would be a good alternative if I'm also not a big fan of the chainsword?

[tall torrent]

Rashad best heavy atk speed, highest dps

Antax has worse heavy atk speed and overall damage than Rashad, and cannot animation cancel L1 but has a slightly better push atk and a much better special attack

Achlys has very slow heavy attack speed and no benefit of antax

[coarse wolf]

i like the achlys :(

[last pewter]

hm alrighty, Ill try out Caxe and see how I like it

and just for the fuck of it, whats different about Taxe?

[austere mica]

Taxe is closer to knife

[hollow ibex]

Rashad

[austere mica]

Its knife with better horde and slower ST

[faint beacon]

Knife mobility but slightly more damage and banks on crits instead basically

[hollow ibex]

Like we're talking about rn lol

[faint beacon]

Struggles against carapace though unlike Caxe

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664591642967408640/1320852161265143878/axe.mp4?ex=679be26f&is=679a90ef&hm=913f4601ea995d9065e3175ef9cff352606cfd231c127f9b2b65b28abb0d6872&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1306382291781681252/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.11.13_-_12.57.55.43.mp4?ex=673676d1&is=67352551&hm=68c82723d28b4d4353ad9c06cad9774e6613cbc72b43d320e30c5e58fa8ffc68&

[austere mica]

oh yeah and 12% innate crit bonus

[quaint sparrow]

This one?

[hollow ibex]

Yeh

[faint beacon]

That’s a keeper with that stat roll

[quaint sparrow]

Got it

what stats do I want?

and blesses?

(I'm running plasma)

[last pewter]

aight duly noted, gonna get myself a good Caxe and try it out

[hollow ibex]

Check pins

[last pewter]

and Taxe, I guess Ill try on Zealot or Psyker

[hollow ibex]

Taxe is honestly great on vet too

[last pewter]

those are the two weapons I never used lol

[tall torrent]

Tac axe is alright
It’s like a DC sword that’s doesn’t do abysmal dogshit vs flak armor

Similar performance vs ragers

Doesn’t do well into carapace or unyielding unfortunately

[last pewter]

yeah but you cant parry ragers into oblivion

thats the highlight for Dclaws for me

[tall torrent]

Yea u don’t need to, heavy attack and PA stagger them for u

3 hits to kill

It’s very fast in practice

[sleek garden]

when I play tac axe I go zealot

stack bleed super high

[tall torrent]

It’s a lot better on zealot than on veteran

Duellist op

[sleek garden]

Devils claw is good for me because I invest 0 into melee on veteran

[hollow ibex]

Honestly I think taxe isn't bad as a 0 investment weapon either

[tall torrent]

It unfortunately isn’t

Needs desperado

[sleek garden]

20% block stamina reduction and 25% flak damage and now you can parry comfy and do serviceable damage against bruiser hordes

[tall torrent]

So 3 point spec

[hollow ibex]

The mobility does wonders

[hollow ibex]

Nah

[tall torrent]

Then no bruiser 1hs

[hollow ibex]

Yup

[tall torrent]

Meh, not worth

[hollow ibex]

Heavy sword is straight up better

[pulsar radish]

I love me a stun stick or a shovel tbf

[tall torrent]

Best zero spec are power sword and duelling sword

[hollow ibex]

But taxe still feels better

[pulsar radish]

I tried the dueling sword and I don't hate it but don't love it

[faint beacon]

I’d say the usual combo for blessing on Vet if you do try Vet would be BM HT or HT Shred

[grand perch]

just played a great havoc 40 match with exec + MF build and mk IX lasgun (the slow one). didnt go down once, finished with most damage and then the game of course fucking crashes in the end screen and the recording is corrupted to hell

kill me

[hollow ibex]

Maybe scoreboard will have the result

[grand perch]

it was pus hardened even, so achieving most damage was kinda hard

[terse idol]

Well i mean

[grand perch]

ye sure scoreboard does but its not full recording

[terse idol]

Rashad without trench fighter

Slow

Feel kinda stinky

Rashad with trench fighter

[tall torrent]

Maybe weapon customization mod isn’t worth it

[grand perch]

its not weapon customization

[terse idol]

Havoc being unstable still

[grand perch]

GPU driver crashes on vanilla install too, at the same spot

when the match starts and when it ends and switches to loading screen

[terse idol]

Even on regular missions?

[grand perch]

yeah always. GF has the same issue and we have identical setups, so its very likely gpu driver issues

[faint beacon]

Pain

[grand perch]

oh well at least the match was fun. even though i was barely most damage

[sleek garden]

what melee and grenade

i struggle in havoc 40 still with that loadout

no reg headshots got me killed several times in it

oh nevermind

i just used my eyes

[grand perch]

shredders btw

[sleek garden]

cool

poor devils claw

[grand perch]

unsalvagable for havoc imo

[sleek garden]

yeah

i made up my mind after i couldnt duel a scab captain

i couldnt get his shield below 3/4ths hp

i could do it with rinda

2 or 3 blessings simply cant proc in havoc with devils claw

[grand perch]

F

[sleek garden]

this was after minutes of fighting

my teammate turned on his mic to tell me to give up

[tall torrent]

utilizing 0.002% of my asian heritage to invent math terms

[sleek garden]

better you than me

[hollow ibex]

Give me some of your Asian math heritage

[tall torrent]

at least it looks nice in steam guide format

[grand perch]

look at the pretty colours

[tall torrent]

from my point of view

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-stewie-childhood-gif-3529800

[soft trellis]

I felt like that before reading what he posted... after...? worse >.>'

[vernal trench]

oh ma gawd 2 crocodiles rn

[sleek garden]

why do people have to start the clandestium first event early

im a normal human not a crocodile

[vernal trench]

why do people suck

[pure kindle]

"Y'know, I always take the hard work of wiki contributors for granted. All that free information for no pay! I know enough on this subject that I can actually contribute! Now, let me just hit 'edit' and - what the fuck am I looking at?"

[sleek garden]

just saw a guy spam heavy sword push attack stab into a horde

that was frustrating

[tall torrent]

yea.

[soft trellis]

because... you go in hoping for a good match... and all 3 randos are like: Hold my beer

[vernal trench]

this game breaks my spirit

[soft trellis]

I learned one way around this, which works for the most part: Expect absolutely nothing from randos. That way when they die... it is less soul crushing

[vernal trench]

Yea but somehow they do worse than what i expect half the time

U would think theyd know to push a burster in havoc 40

[soft trellis]

That's the error... you are expecting, when nothing should be expected

[vernal trench]

[soft trellis]

And as crazy as that might sound... it works for the most part

Going in expecting nothing means when they are brain dead... your expectations are met, because they were nothing to begin with

[vernal trench]

Party finder sucks and lfg here sucks

I gotta wait for my friends whenever i wanna play if i dont wanna waste my time

[soft trellis]

Now for havoc idk how effective it would be, but, for normal/auric missions it works perfectly for me

[vernal trench]

Its soulcrushing

U make it almost to the end and they all fold to a pox bomber a captain and a chaos spawn

Even with a book zealot

[soft trellis]

Yeah, for havoc I can see it being even worse with even an inkling of expectations

[pure kindle]

I'm not the best player, I know that. I can't just go "Ah man, if only everybody else was putting in 5th percentile work and skill" every time I die.

However

It is uncanny the amount of times I feel like I'm doing pretty good with tackling a team of Crushers or opened a three-item chest that the others left behind and had a medkit, a concentration stim, and a large ammo . . . and then realize the other three players have somehow rushed four rooms away and down a dropoff, and now I can hear the dogs spawning.

[vernal trench]

its why imma take a break for a while and only play whenever my friends can get on

Im starting to feel the burnout after doing 97 havocs or whatever

[soft trellis]

havoc with randos sounds miserable... so I don't blame you

[vernal trench]

My havoc party finder winrate is probably 5:1

Still better than lfg here

U get people whove done havoc 2s attempting a 40

Like cmon know ur limits

[soft trellis]

1 win every 5 runs? or 5 wins every 1 loss?

[vernal trench]

5 loss to every win

[soft trellis]

Oof

[vernal trench]

Randoms dont know how to play the game

Sometimes they wipe before even reaching the first room

[soft trellis]

Yeah that's why I call em randos

[vernal trench]

Most of the time any sort of pressure comes they fold

[soft trellis]

I've seen 3 level 30's go down to the same rager in malice with all 3 having full hp, so I can only imagine how much worse it would be for havoc

and I am 99% sure multiple times

[vernal trench]

Its bad lmao

u can have level 700s not knowing how to play the game

If u go down once or twice a game thats fine

But some people go down or die 20 times

[soft trellis]

Havoc, as a mode, is exactly like how weaves in vt2 were for me: Not fun. So I don't even do them. I already know the pain of base game randos... and I only play darktide for fun nowadays... so I might never get to havoc 40 because it just isn't fun as a mode to me

[vernal trench]

Theyre fun but now that im starting to feel burnout its becoming frustrating

[soft trellis]

I did 1 havoc run, which even with competent randos(all 3 were decent players)... still was unfun to me

[vernal trench]

Its fun when i got a competent team

Its so easy when u get a good team its a cakewalk

[soft trellis]

I had a competent team that run, and we won no problem... but it just wasn't fun

[vernal trench]

But its stupid when i clutch solo and rescue them only for them to instantly die

I need a solid break from queuing randoms for a while lmao

[soft trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

Randos suck...

[vernal trench]

Fr

[mortal hound]

i havent been slighted by party finder all the way up to havoc 40

[soft trellis]

What's hilarious is I did a damnation brutes run yesterday with 3 people (one who had a level 4 psyker and we did it anyway)... and that guy with the level 4 psyker lasted WAY longer than most randos I've seen. We won that run, but, he was already WAY more competent than most randos I've met

He went down, but, he went down WAY less than randos do

at level 4 on psyker

That's the power of a non-random group lol

[vernal trench]

Wdym

[mortal hound]

i just run with the party finder for all my havoc games

win most of them

[vernal trench]

Yea people die in aurics for whatever reason when the game is super forgiving

[vernal trench]

What difficulty

[mortal hound]

40

[vernal trench]

U got the scoreboard mod?

[mortal hound]

ye

[vernal trench]

Press f5 and show ur history

[soft trellis]

They can't share images, yet, until they have a red name

[vernal trench]

Just send a link or whatever

[mortal hound]

uhh a link to what

the image?

[vernal trench]

Ur match histories

[mortal hound]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/888102824842526800/1334305356557320242/image.png?ex=679c0c33&is=679abab3&hm=1cc2698f21de5e23b008a8e3dd93ce394e5c237282ccca55c37970285655f2f1&

those are my last 3

[terse idol]

Probably a smurf lmao

[mortal hound]

went down fast one

[vernal trench]

I mean thats only 3

[mortal hound]

reran it

[vernal trench]

Show the whole list before u scroll down

[mortal hound]

the rest of my history is not filled with havoc

because havoc is boring

[vernal trench]

Fair enough

[mortal hound]

though i did have a fun clutch on h40 this past wipe

[tame lodge]

Real

[soft trellis]

He was new to the game, he was doing I think his 3rd character. All 4 of us were voice chatting. Like Even on his zealot(which we got to level 30 the day before) you could tell he wasn't there yet, as far as skill level went

[mortal hound]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1052488539910193152/1333165743067369543/Untitled_video_1_1.mp4?ex=679bdb5a&is=679a89da&hm=3a2b64f1bd81e8e2d44d8d2ddf596b9cab1b84b46f1e459594ba099e9ff9c40d&

[soft trellis]

oh and he plays on ps5 iirc

[mortal hound]

ugh

im gray for some reason

[hollow ibex]

Yap more

[mortal hound]

i was red and they unredded me

im a lurker

[soft trellis]

You gotta chat until hadron acknowledges you

[vernal trench]

Who is who

[mortal hound]

its captured from my friends pov

i played with one friend in discord

but thats me as the vet

[soft trellis]

So, what you're saying, is that you were playing with at least 1 person you knew you could rely on?

[mortal hound]

no i carried that guy through multiple h40s

[hollow ibex]

Carry me too

[mortal hound]

but hes a good friend

so

ill usually accept any dudes in the party finder 30 and up

[soft trellis]

Good friends help the whole vibe, even when you gotta carry them. At least imo

[mortal hound]

of course

id never play havoc alone

id never play darktide alone lul

thats boring af

[hollow ibex]

QP aurics is an experience

[vernal trench]

Thats a good clutch

[hollow ibex]

Nah you really get to see... all types of players

[vernal trench]

Ur teamates suck tho

[mortal hound]

👀

if the teammates are bad, just gotta play even better 😎

[vernal trench]

Especially when they die 20 times in a game

[soft trellis]

Man... I've pulled some of my best clutches ever when I had one of my friends with me, both in vt2 and darktide

[mortal hound]

with vet these are like

the typical scoreboards

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/888102824842526800/1334307097415909446/image.png?ex=679c0dd2&is=679abc52&hm=138ab06301a228ce36626b691e79ea71387e40a6329467fc27080ecc104b62b1&

[hollow ibex]

Well that's the beauty of QP

[vernal trench]

U need the extra defense plugin or whatever

It shows how many times anyone got downed or damage taken or whatever

[mortal hound]

i literally only have the scoreboard mod

[hollow ibex]

You need overproofs scoreboard mod

[vernal trench]

Yea its like a plugin mod for the scoreboard mod

[mortal hound]

ah

[vernal trench]

Na i use another one

[hollow ibex]

Base scoreboard mod calculates damage incorrectly iirc

[vernal trench]

Thus

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/187

This

[bleak cradle]

Is shock maul the only thing that creates pink text with ovenproof?

[vernal trench]

It works with the base scoreboard mod

[hollow ibex]

I believe so, not sure if that's a base scoreboard issue though

[tall torrent]

improved colors

[bleak cradle]

It isn’t base that is issue. Cool I will reinstall it. I got rid of it when shock maul was new. Now…. no one uses it. I do know there is a fix but I am too lazy to do it

[mortal hound]

glyphs

[tall torrent]

[vernal trench]

What is thus

[faint beacon]

Calculations for damage

[tall torrent]

what affects damage? (part ? of ?)

except the "damage to self" one

that's how much damage u take when u actively vent plasma gun

[vernal trench]

Oh

I dislike plasma gun just doesnt suit my playstyle

Its also too op imo

[tall torrent]

I'm being forced to abbreviate a ton of things to keep these calculations in the same line

otherwise I'd get a multiplication equation that's 3 lines long

[mortal hound]

plasmagun my beloved

its like the pistol but ammo efficient enough to use on high havocs

[vernal trench]

Its just so boring to use

And everyones just running the meta dueling sword shout plasma vet

Its so boring

everyones running like the same stuff theres no variety and makes the game so cheesey when everyones stacking golden toughness every second

[mortal hound]

it really is the ammo nerf that makes the plasma gun meta on high havocs it feels

i like the pistol on malestroms

[tall torrent]

plasma / recon / boltgun / boltpistol

[vernal trench]

Yea ammo nerf and plasma gun just pierces through armored shit

Wnd the blast radius too

U dont even need to hit a shot to kill something

[sleek garden]

current maelstrom is vent purge mostly ranged

[mortal hound]

usually requires headshots on gunners for high havocs but yeah its pretty damn good

but honestly i think shredder frags are more busted

[sleek garden]

just hard carried my team with a lasgun until the very end because i couldnt keep the poxwalkers from overtaking me

[vernal trench]

Yea shredders carry

They shouldnt nerf shredders tho

[mortal hound]

like if i had to lose any part of the build id rather lose the plas gun than the shredder frags

[sleek garden]

you know what guns are true tragedy on it

infantry autos

[vernal trench]

I never even use them

[sleek garden]

pointless weapons without ghost on havoc

[vernal trench]

Why would u even bring ghost tho i feel like u should be going all offense if u can

[tall torrent]

ghost = tank shooters for free

[vernal trench]

Yea but dodge

[soft trellis]

I mean... not dying while also killing the enemies is useful when you're in a tight spot

[sleek garden]

dodging and shooting with an inflas is suicide

it throws your aim off

[vernal trench]

Is it that bad

[sleek garden]

and effective lasgun use is one shotting heads one after the other really fast

[vernal trench]

I can do it with bolter theres no way inflas is worse than that

[sleek garden]

its pretty bad

and it doesnt have a lot of dodges

[vernal trench]

imma try it out tmr

[sleek garden]

the inflas is a pretty slow gun

[soft trellis]

Pretty sure it's horrible for the infantry lasgun

[vernal trench]

How many does it have

[sleek garden]

in terms of mobility

i think it has like 3

[vernal trench]

I mean bolters recoil even crouching is bad

[sleek garden]

i dont dodge much unless im focused on shooting and a poxwalker is being annoying

[vernal trench]

i cant imagine inflas is worse ive used it before for a while

i mean in high havocs u pretty much wanna be dodging all the time tho

Reloading shooting whatever

[sleek garden]

the current auric maelstrom is literally the perfect showcase of inflas skill

get on right now and try it

exy stance

you will see why i like it

[vernal trench]

Not today

I like hellbore 4 with exec stance

Just feels right to me

[sleek garden]

not enough ammo to plink 55 scab shooter heads in one mag

[vernal trench]

Na

Like 12 shots or whatever

Hits hard tho

@latent parcel gay lurker

[supple laurel]

i literally cannot tell what the dumpstat on this is

i first started out with the heavy sword when i didnt know about dumpstats and this literally has no dumpstat afaik

[vernal trench]

Defences? Idk

[supple laurel]

i wouldnt even say it has a dumpstat

[pseudo fiber]

it's defence

[supple laurel]

i guess lol

[minor obsidian]

So does Determined just not work? I have it, yet I still get suppressed like normal :l

[tall torrent]

defences

[tall torrent]

which weapon

because this is what suppression actually does https://youtu.be/-zENjXMBmyA

[faint beacon]

Defences it’s fancier mobility

[minor obsidian]

Any weapon really, more so with helbore las and boltgun

[sleek garden]

i took a video of me using lasgun and i did way worse than the last game and missed a million shots

[tall torrent]

what suppression are u talking abt

[sleek garden]

and my teammates were shooting them this time

[tall torrent]

aim sway while under fire?

or getting staggered when u get hit

[minor obsidian]

Well like I have Determined equipped but my aim sway and spread still increase the same no matter if its a normal ranged enemy, shotgunner or gunner

[tall torrent]

can u record and show

[minor obsidian]

Maybe, Id have to go on another run, if steam recorder works without crashing steam this time!

[tall torrent]

could use nvidia record

if u use nvidia gpu

[minor obsidian]

I do but cant ever seem to find the videos XD haha, I will try whichever works o:

[loud belfry]

alt z -> gear icon on the top rightish of the overlay that comes up -> files and disk space -> gallery location

[vernal trench]

Show

[sleek garden]

i have to cut it its like 15 mintues long and full of me getting hit because i was trying a shovel for the first time in a while

im used to my sword cutting 8 people at once and not the shovel slamming home on 4

also the two times i got into the rhythm my teammates detonated barrels on me

[vernal trench]

Lmao u gotta use knife

Ur lucky it even cuts 2 people

[sleek garden]

im watching my video and giggling because nearly every time i tried to use executors stance the enemies would do something stupid like run side to side really fast or randomly turn to aim at the floor behind them or suddenly take cover for no reason

[gilded wraith]

Any chance you're running deadshot and ran out of stamina?

[minor obsidian]

no but I found the issue, so gunners just flat ignore that you have Determined, subsequently if you are even just starting to be suppressed by a gunner any further attacks from anything will also ignore Determined. Of course steam recording didnt work and apparently since my nividia based gpu isnt nividia brand it gave a weird error for trying to record XD

[vernal trench]

What if u dodge and shoot

[sleek garden]

in the middle of this one i absolutely fumble the mutie

[sleek garden]

look how this shotgun wiggles when you dodge, now imagine that with a lot of zoom

[vernal trench]

Barely

[sleek garden]

it goes really far to the side then wobbles around the center

[vernal trench]

I run bolter

[sleek garden]

the bolter just swings to the side

[vernal trench]

I cant imagine its worse than a bolter

[sleek garden]

it has massive projectiles

its easy to hit stuff with a bolter actually

[vernal trench]

Ill try it later or tmr

[sleek garden]

they made the projectiles huge

[vernal trench]

Shotgun and the inflas

[sleek garden]

shotgun is silly bad

[vernal trench]

Yea but the damage falloff is insane

[sleek garden]

what damage falloff

[vernal trench]

If u dont get a direct hit it prtty much does like no damage

[sleek garden]

i thought you meant range

yeah it doesnt do much if you dont hit them but how are you missing them with the bolter unless you're rapid firing in ads

[vernal trench]

Sometimes i just miss

I shoot pretty quickly

[tame lodge]

Another plastic knife spotted

[slow sky]

time to larp as a shooter (unfamiliar territory as i play almost exclusively melee focused builds on every class)

[wise wren]

What curio setup do I want on vet pls

[tall torrent]

toughness
health
toughness/health/stamins

[cloud thunder]

Personally running 2 toughness and 1 + stamina

[wise wren]

no gunner/sniper reductions n whatnot?

[cloud thunder]

One corruption resist, 3 ability CD, 2 sprint eff, one stamina regen eff, and 2 toughness

[tall torrent]

oh u mean perks

[cloud thunder]

Is what I run

[wise wren]

also sorry I only play ogryn so stamina isnt really much of an issue for me but how does it benefit vet best?

[wise wren]

yuh
I heard gunners were changed a while back so no clue where the standard is anymore

Question is the Mk XIV stub good and does anyone have a build for it?

[tall torrent]

extra health
extra toughness
gunner resist
sniper resist (only 1)
sprint efficiency
extra dockets

are generally the best curio perks

[tall torrent]

XIV stub revolver is generally niche but could be fun if u like gambling

[orchid hemlock]

Dockets

Everything else is optional

[tall torrent]

outside of havoc ya

[calm shard]

lets you stand still infront of shooter swarms that are normally unavoidable sources of damage

standing still means you miss less from having to dodge

and you don't have to back off if you take too much damage beacuse you aren't taking damage

[orchid hemlock]

Fuel the addiction

[wise wren]

it seems wacky, how good is it for weakspot damage?

[tall torrent]

there's a meme build where it can one mag bosses

[terse idol]

Me as I- lay on rhe point

[tall torrent]

it's unfortunately really bad for breakpoints

u have to crit to 1 tap most things

without crit it takes 2 headshots for most enemies

[wise wren]

Yeah thats fine, send that shit

[tall torrent]

nah don't do that lmao

[terse idol]

You can save alot of talent points by just taking ghost

[wise wren]

Not looking for high level stuff atm, it's low level content