Already got my weapons sorted with psword and recon
#veteran-class
cloud thunder
tall torrent
then this, just scratch last line
power sword has some benefit from atk speed
but if ur gonna take atk speed might as well play axe
tall torrent
I think the main advantage of power sword is having a mostly working melee that doesn't need anything in bottom right side
because if u need to invest in bottom right side axe is just better
cloud thunder
What’s the benefit of swapping from exploit and trench fighter (I understand this one tbh)
But exploit for rending?
What’s the difference
tall torrent
What’s the benefit of swapping from exploit and trench fighter (I understand thi...
exploit weakness is only from melee crit hits
which is really mid if u think about it
cloud thunder
20% brittleness vs 10% rending (not sure what this is)
tall torrent
anything that actually kills armor is likely to kill them within 2 crits
anything that doesn't kill armor is unlikely to kill them that much faster even when they crit twice
crimson pebble
even then 20% brittleness isnt needed at all ds is already insane
crimson pebble
still be fine on charged attks
cloud thunder
What does rending do exactly
crimson pebble
can reliably pushattk light kill crushers
tall torrent
20% brittleness vs 10% rending (not sure what this is)
in ur build (power sword + recon)
recon benefits from boosted ADM quite a bit
power sword doesn't
so what's the point of using a melee-crit-only ADM modifier
cloud thunder
Yeah it’s a build that focuses mainly on recon from what I understand.
tall torrent
that build is pretty meh
creator clearly doesn't understand how ADMs work
and doesn't fully understand duelling sword's role in veteran's arsenal
cloud thunder
So you think going the 25 toughness and rending will fit my build?
With psword and lasgun
tall torrent
it would work better for recon
yes
and u should grab at least one of the +25 toughness nodes
it's free and good
curio +% toughness scale from base toughness
cloud thunder
I still drop cqkz for 5% crit chance then?
tall torrent
yea becasue ur going infernus
cloud thunder
Kk
tall torrent
5% crit chance scales better than it looks for crit string weapons
recon has crit string of 2
with crit chance perk + talent
ur looking at ~29% crit rate on avg
even though ur stated crit chance is 17%
this goes higher with reciprocity stacks as well
cloud thunder
Yeah and the speed of mk12 would work good
So don’t worry about weapons specialist then?
tall torrent
if u want to take trench fighter and weapon specialist
just play axe instead of power sword
cloud thunder
Will this work fine in havoc 40?
tall torrent
well, depends on how u play
if ur plan is to shoot everything ever u might need to die a few times to get back ammo
cloud thunder
Good mix of both melee and ranged
tall torrent
prob usable?
tall torrent
but for havoc u can prob do better than that
since u don't need a lot of stuff in there
tall torrent
u can drop desperado for power sword in havoc and get grenadier & twinned blast
twinned blast is more value than most people think and scales very well into high spawn games
desperado wouldn't be needed as much since u don't have breakpoints to think about
reciprocity purely for recon
it's kinda awkward for power sword imo
I'll also say that O4B generally seems to scale better into havoc compared to CK
being able to gain toughness from every kill saves u more than having a lot of passive toughess from killing elites & specials
cloud thunder
Yeah that’s what I was thinking
tall torrent
havoc is also where born leader and KTHD both scale better than FTE
born leader is like 21 extra toughness from every VoC use
which doesn't sound like a lot
but means a lot to ur zealot/psyker teammates that have like 60~70 toughness total
cloud thunder
I main psyker so. Yeah
hearty panther
itll push them right into gold toughness even if they were out
tall torrent
yep
hearty panther
beeeg deal
tall torrent
KTHD on the other hand
recon rapid fire actually gets to suppress gunners
50/50 pick if u go recon
personally I think born leader is more value overall but I also don't play recon much
cloud thunder
Would you mind dropping a talent link then? Of what you would suggest to go with psword and recon? No need for weapons or curios. I got those covered
Then I can experiment and tweak between the two to fit my playstyle
tall torrent
Would you mind dropping a talent link then? Of what you would suggest to go with...
last 2 whatever u want
prob rending strikes + superiority complex?
cloud thunder
Kk thanks
soft trellis
last 2 whatever u want
I want a refund
tall torrent
Kk thanks
red nodes are actually not that impactful for recon from my experience
recon kills specialists too slow for red nodes to be up as often
can be nice for power sword tho
soft trellis
the recon still snipes better than the autopistol at least
tall torrent
if u have to take any red node, pick between marksman / CQKZ
soft trellis
from my experience the recon is surprisingly accurate for an automatic weapon
tall torrent
marksman is more direct dmg because strength is different multiplicative bracket
CQKZ is more versatile and applies to ur grenades & bleed as well
soft trellis
marksman is more direct dmg because strength is different multiplicative bracket
I feel like you would look at my veteran builds(that I've customized for my personal playstyle) with horror lol
tall torrent
I feel like you would look at my veteran builds(that I've customized for my pers...
I just need to not look then 
soft trellis
Good thing I don't share them lol
tall torrent
What about bring it down?
Generally not a bad pick but I think if u had to make a decision between that and superiority complex, superiority complex wins just by applying to more enemies
cloud thunder
Well yeah
tall torrent
That’s a red node but not ability reliant
BID is not a red node
Idk why gameslantern shows it as red
cloud thunder
Ah ok
tall torrent
Red node for veteran is the “activate ability to XXXX” stuff
cloud thunder
Well I was thinking of tweaking some stuff but will experiment
tall torrent
If u can get both, it’s fine
cloud thunder
My friend just recently started vet
tall torrent
But I will also say
cloud thunder
And he’s like a really good gamer
tall torrent
Bosses in havoc kind of aren’t as big of a deal
cloud thunder
He was pumping out like 1.5m I believe in havoc 40 with us
tall torrent
It’s the elite spam that wipes teams
The only boss that actually is threatening is sword captain
cloud thunder
With Lasgun and psword
tall torrent
BID is only ogryn & monster
soft trellis
Generally not a bad pick but I think if u had to make a decision between that an...
huh... something I do right: have superiority complex as a higher value than bring it down as a base rule >.>
cloud thunder
Just more so trying out veteran now so I can flex with our friend group if someone wants psyker
tall torrent
huh... something I do right: have superiority complex as a higher value than bri...
For non-havoc they’re about equal
Depends on weapons
If ur weapon needs superiority complex for breakpoint, take that
If not, take BID
I wish superiority complex and fully loaded swapped places
hollow ibex
no
sleek garden
i think in terms of the vision for the roles theyre in the right spot
hollow ibex
i need an excuse to take fully loaded
sleek garden
wait arent they right next to each other
soft trellis
For non-havoc they’re about equal
I'm not sure I would ever take my vet or psyker into havoc if I did play it(I don't play it since I don't find the mode fun)... cuz those are my 2 lesser played classes
tall torrent
wait arent they right next to each other
Rn u have to take fully loaded to even consider superiority complex
cloud thunder
Could I move CQKZ over to BID instead (between 5% crit chance and BID)?
tall torrent
Could I move CQKZ over to BID instead (between 5% crit chance and BID)?
5% crit chance is more value for recon than BID
Especially since u have infernus
cloud thunder
But overall with psword?
tall torrent
But overall with psword?
A little less than BID? But also do u rly need BID
Cuz I’m pretty sure BID doesn’t even push power sword breakpoints in havoc
proven garden
How much value do I lose on burn recon lasgun if I shoot until they die instead of waiting for burn to finish them off
soft trellis
I honestly don't take my vet or psyker above heresy very often since I don't play them enough, or feel like having to sometimes hard carry damnation with either
cloud thunder
It’s nice if I combo grenade with psword cleave (power cycler and sunder), no?
tall torrent
U still need 3 hits from PA combo to kill crusher minimum, unless u crit
tall torrent
It’s nice if I combo grenade with psword cleave (power cycler and sunder), no?
Sorta? But grenade is meant more for ragers and maulers tbh
It doesn’t actually do that much vs ogryns
Does “some damage” vs bulwarks
soft trellis
Sorta? But grenade is meant more for ragers and maulers tbh
krak or bleed?
tall torrent
Minuscule vs crushers
tall torrent
krak or bleed?
Default is frag
cloud thunder
I honestly don't take my vet or psyker above heresy very often since I don't pla...
Been leveling my 12 veteran in damnation and outdpsing level 100+’s in it 💀
soft trellis
ah, frag nades I would not use against ogryn groups tbh
soft trellis
I mean for damaging them
tall torrent
But crushers need specific tools to kill
proven garden
Standard curio set is 2 toughness 1 stam with toughness stam regen and 2gunner/1sniper res right
tall torrent
Standard curio set is 2 toughness 1 stam with toughness stam regen and 2gunner/1...
For what
cloud thunder
I don’t really run enemy res
tall torrent
Havoc?
cloud thunder
Just slide
tall torrent
Normal board missions
I think health curio is better than stamina most of the time
cloud thunder
Sorta? But grenade is meant more for ragers and maulers tbh
All right. I’ll swap it to 5% then
soft trellis
But crushers need specific tools to kill
kraks, a good power sword, a good shovel, hopes and dreams(removed by devs), bolter, plasma, etc
Meant to use that as a reply lol
tall torrent
U don’t really need stamina outside of knife tbh
proven garden
Ah it felt like I was constantly running out with caxe
Maybe I’m push attacking too much
tall torrent
kraks, a good power sword, a good shovel, ~~hopes and dreams~~(removed by devs),...
That list is half off
soft trellis
The only stamina thing I take for vet is 1 -0.25s stamina regen delay
That just helps with pushing
more than anything
tall torrent
Ah it felt like I was constantly running out with caxe
Combat axe has 3 pushes in combat
Which is usually enough
proven garden
Got it
proven garden
Why sprint eff instead of stam regen
tall torrent
(Not trolling it actually helps)
soft trellis
If that isn’t, u fked up somewhere else
Sometimes you end up with low stamina and are dodging constantly so it won't regen, so getting a free push every 0.75s instead of 1s is nice
proven garden
Or are you saying both at once
tall torrent
Why sprint eff instead of stam regen
Because veteran has the worst stamina regen delay by default
soft trellis
Yep 1.0s
proven garden
Wallahi
soft trellis
Wait don't ogryns have that as well?
tall torrent
So stamina regen doesn’t activate as often as u think
tall torrent
Wait don't ogryns have that as well?
Yes but ogryn has more stamina and generally use less
Except sprinting
proven garden
I keep getting block broken a lot lmao
cloud thunder
Psyker stamina regen goated
tall torrent
So ogryn has easier time managing stamina
Veteran is the worst stamina management by default
soft trellis
Except sprinting
Sprint sliding is the main time I'm using it, yeah
tall torrent
I keep getting block broken a lot lmao
Don’t resort to block as ur first option
soft trellis
Block is a last resort, imo
tall torrent
soft trellis
pushing, dodging, and attacking are the primary ones
cloud thunder
soft trellis
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/985983134275366943/1306382291781681252/...
push attack staggers ragers?
frigid cape
stripped down on lasgun plus duck and dive to become immune to guns
tall torrent
what weapons
cloud thunder
Same as me
soft trellis
I mostly have used the caxe on zealot and just light spam ragers to death while dodging
cloud thunder
He’s the one that made me want to try get watching him
tall torrent
GBITF is not as good as catch a breath
proven garden
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/985983134275366943/1306382291781681252/...
Yea that was my plan I probably dodged wrong they would hit my block before I could get the push attack out lol
cloud thunder
GBITF is not as good as catch a breath
Which one is that one
soft trellis
GBITF is not as good as catch a breath
Yeah... that regen when you're in a tight spot is clutch
tall torrent
Which one is that one
above survivalist
soft trellis
GBITF is what people thinks will save them
I've never even considered the left talent, between those 2
cloud thunder
Can make any shit build work tbh 💀
I’ve seen him take the most weird shit into havoc 40 and outperform anyone
proven garden
Idk if kill chasing in havoc 40 is the play
cloud thunder
Not just kill chasing
soft trellis
Can make any shit build work tbh 💀
Good players can make the autopistol useable(not counting havoc)
tall torrent
Idk if kill chasing in havoc 40 is the play
just play for win
proven garden
True
soft trellis
I always play to win a run, myself. <.<
proven garden
Fair enough
soft trellis
If I didn't give it everything I got what was the point of even queueing for it?
cloud thunder
works
So overall, good build? Just tweak top side to go right path then catch your breath?
tall torrent
So overall, good build? Just tweak top side to go right path then catch your bre...
overall is fine yea
soft trellis
That mentality is probably what makes me have a clutching talent x.x
tall torrent
power sword is more utility-orientated for havoc cuz of sunder
soft trellis
power sword is great, except when u gotta solo clutch >.>'
tall torrent
So overall, good build? Just tweak top side to go right path then catch your bre...
I will also say, twinned blast is pretty good
cloud thunder
tall torrent
but that depends on how much ur willing to gamble
cloud thunder
Last havoc 40 we did. He’s the vet
soft trellis
but that depends on how much ur willing to gamble
Gambling? in my damnation/aurics/havocs?! HERESY!
cloud thunder
Recon and psword
tall torrent
twinned blast's tooltip is slightly misleading
hollow ibex
call the national gambling helpline
soft trellis
is it more than 20%?
tall torrent
because when u analyze it from probability point of view
soft trellis
isn't 20% still 20%?
tall torrent
it actually looks like this
every time u throw 2 grenades, there's 36% chance for u to get +65.5% dmg which applies to all of that AOE
soft trellis
both ways of thinking about it
True and every time you throw 3 it's the same % chance as you get from damage reduction from 3 gunner resists
because the odds of you not getting that 20% 3 times in a row is 80% of 80% of 80%
hollow ibex
i would actually take it at 30% (and have it proc once the entire match)
tall torrent
i would actually take it at 30% (and have it proc once the entire match)
u rolled the 1.168% chance of it activating once across 24 throws
better luck next time
hollow ibex
no next time, i'm taking my talent point back and putting it elsehwere 😠
soft trellis
u rolled the 1.168% chance of it activating once across 24 throws
It would be a 0.0191581231380566414401% chance(I used a calculator lol)
for 0
I mean
across 24 throws
tall torrent
it's funny because veteran's dmg is very chance based in havoc
demo team and twinned blast proc a lot? u do loads of dmg
u rolled RNG bad? too bad buddy
soft trellis
it's funny because veteran's dmg is very chance based in havoc
at 20% it's almost a 0.5% chance to not proc in 24 throws (0.4722366482869645213696%)
which... based on how much that 1% crit chance in ror2 happens... could happen over the course of 500 runs
Man, tho, getting that unlucky would suck
terse idol
at 20% it's almost a 0.5% chance to not proc in 24 throws (0.4722366482869645213...
Does anybody know if it's sudo rando
Like at least i ror2 you had different proc coefficients depending
And that was 1% per 1000 or more shots
You have like
3 grenades
soft trellis
oh awit
terse idol
Well and
soft trellis
I'm dumb
soft trellis
Does anybody know if it's sudo rando
I think it is 20% each grenade
terse idol
Yeeahh you can get pretty unlucky
soft trellis
it's just the odds of it not happening are 80% of 80% of 80% (etc, based on how many times it doesn't proc)
terse idol
Yeah it just doesn't get betterr
soft trellis
the 3rd throw has a 51.2% chance of not proccing
the 6th is 26.2144%
of not proccing
in 6 throws
You can get unlucky yeah
mellow adder
For Recon Lasguns, whats the least important stat while others are 80%?
mellow adder
Collateral 60%
Ty!
soft trellis
For Recon Lasguns, whats the least important stat while others are 80%?
generally defences/collateral or mobility(the main time it won't apply is brautos if you want one perfect for every mk since the agripinaa has stopping power in place of collateral)
most other guns with collateral(if not all) you generally dump collateral(unless you want to use 1 less ammo on the boltgun opening bulwark shields)
tall torrent
boltgun for veteran doesn't dump collateral
every other weapon that has collateral can dump collateral
soft trellis
every other weapon that has collateral can dump collateral
You just can't use that brauto for the agripinaa mk, if you dump collateral on either of the other 2 marks >.>
since collateral changes to stopping power x.x
tall torrent
You just can't use that brauto for the agripinaa mk, if you dump collateral on e...
make 2 braced autoguns, simple
soft trellis
make 2 braced autoguns, simple
Honestly I am lazy and poor... I'll take a mobility dumped one lol
proven garden
dbs is flak maniac manstopper scattershot right
hollow ibex
dbs is flak maniac manstopper scattershot right
yeah i think i run manstopper and DB instead tho
proven garden
whats db
hollow ibex
literally unplayable, but it's a good blessing
proven garden
im running weapon specialist so i wont need to reload
hollow ibex
yeah i run with WS
warm bolt
I mean it's kinda funny
hollow ibex
and rely on WS crits for manstopper
warm bolt
Cause it implies you need a blessed weapon for it to perform it's basic function
hollow ibex
so i can run both barrels
proven garden
but why would you need both barrels when ws reloads it for you
or do you not run that keystone modifier
hollow ibex
because everytime the reload procs, it only reloads one shell, which is annoying
and sometimes you need to chunk multiple elites in a row
sleek garden
I play ogryn one time and my team is completely incompetent at any kind of specialist killing
i can't use a ripper gun
and shield ogryn went down to a single crusher and complained and left
auric maelstrom is hard
burnt vortex
I play ogryn one time and my team is completely incompetent at any kind of speci...
This tends to having to hard carry or everyone dying once the elite packs come.
vernal trench
auric maelstrom is hard
Auric maelstrom moment
sleek garden
was just playing with a fellow ogryn wielding a karsolas pickaxe while i was using the original ogryn shovel and it occured to me that the karsolas is the direct upgrade of the shovel
theres not much of a downside
tame void
thoughts on "only in death does duty end"
tall torrent
thoughts on "only in death does duty end"
not worth using
formal ice
not worth using
Shhhh, you might anger some weird vets
tame void
can i get some extra thoughts aside from "no" 
formal ice
Reduces range and recharge time
tall torrent
can i get some extra thoughts aside from "no" <:loregryn:1036580674741731379>
u can revive people almost as good just by pressing VoC to stagger enemies near downed teammates
it's not worth reducing the stagger range
it's definitely not worth the CD increase
tall torrent
and the revive effect is only within the now-reduced stagger range of 6m
vernal trench
Or is that the shout res
tame void
Is ghag the thing that lets u revive gaster
revives people on screaming
tame void
Is ghag the thing that lets u revive gaster
this a thing?
tall torrent
this a thing?
that's a different talent (also not worth using)
warm bolt
It's just vet with a medicbag
formal ice
A Tech-Priest that changes your body parts in mid battle
warm bolt
If you get enough wounds you get promoted to a servitor
But you could also become Iron Hand Straken
formal ice
Gambling to become another class
tame void
fading yarrow
Would be funni for a medic class being added tho
Space Marine gets added
It's an Apothecary but with zero weapons
hollow ibex
usually i take like 150-200% ammo
which is like nothing
zealots routinely take more
quartz nymph
Does Lethal Promixity also make my smoke grenades bigger?
tall torrent
Does Lethal Promixity also make my smoke grenades bigger?
No
faint beacon
It would be so fucking peak if it did…
warm bolt
Karmak twins spawn
There are no rejects, literally just smoke
Suddenly 4 veterans each with a bolt pistol and a shiv rush towards them and shank them to death
dawn walrus
Would be funni for a medic class being added tho
The medicae servitor finally escaped his wall mounting
odd fox
ah yes
quartz nymph
I think my favorite combo is combat knife and bolt pistol
rustic beacon
Mine is mk1 shovel with funny cowboy revolver
Speaking of it, anything you guys would recommend different?
grand perch
The only point to cowboy revolver is deleting bosses imo so I'd remove the talent points in stamina regen delay and demo team to get bring it down instead.
Then change hand cannon blessing to sustained fire iirc and switch 1 perk to unyielding
But that's just the funny boss deletion build, I never suffered cowboy revolver for anything else
rustic beacon
Im gonna give that a shot, thx
grand perch
Oh yeah, exec stance instead of Voc if you want the bigger boss burst
dawn walrus
Speaking of it, anything you guys would recommend different?
https://darktide.g...
I would of gone with the knife for maximum cowboy flavour. That, or take one of the axes as a tomahawk.
mellow adder
This decent? been wanting to try out the Infantry Lasgun
dry cloak
This decent? been wanting to try out the Infantry Lasgun
Yeah usable
vernal trench
This decent? been wanting to try out the Infantry Lasgun
Mobility dump stat i think
Either that or stability
dry cloak
With proper build ammo can gmbe a dump stat
mellow adder
for the perks crit chance is one of the best?
dry cloak
for the perks crit chance is one of the best?
The opinions are divided
uncut pebble
This decent? been wanting to try out the Infantry Lasgun
You want to dump mobility but this will suffice for now, you get good ammo economy with ilas anyway. Run flak + unarmored for gunner 2tap bps.
Change infernus to deadly accurate btw.
dry cloak
I personally would change infernus for ghost
uncut pebble
Or yeah ghost would be good too.
dry cloak
Or deadly accurate
mellow adder
You want to dump mobility but this will suffice for now, you get good ammo econo...
ty!
uncut pebble
Either option works.
Also I'm not sure which model that is, but you want to use the green one.
mellow adder
this should suffice
uncut pebble
The brown one struggles hard to reach 1tap bps, the blue one struggles a little to hit 2tap bps, but the green one comfortably hits 2tap bps while still being capable of dropping reapers and chaff shooters.
mellow adder
I try to look at Darktide builds and most lasguns use Infernus but idk
uncut pebble
Infernus is used on laspistols and recons due to high crit chance and crit strings, respectively.
dry cloak
I try to look at Darktide builds and most lasguns use Infernus but idk
There are infatry lasguns, recon lasguns, and helbore lasguns
uncut pebble
There's not really a point to using it on ilas because everything dies in 1 or 2 shots anyway.
dry cloak
And laspitols
grand perch
Mk IIb is better
uncut pebble
Helbores absolutely do not need infernus because you should 1shot anything that isn't a mauler or ogryn anyway.
dry cloak
Mk IIb is better<:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
Let him experiment
vernal trench
1 shot reapers with hellbore
vernal trench
Hellbore is awesome
vernal trench
U gotta stand there and shoot slowly
rustic beacon
Helbore is lots of fun but the combination of a slow-to-switch-to sniper with sights so bad that it‘s hard to aim at very distant enemies is a choice
vernal trench
I got a crosshair mod that adds a little dot for me
vernal trench
I like my mods
dry cloak
I use ir for fun on lower diffs
It if i want to go sharpshooter its bolter with exestance
vernal trench
I like bolter
quartz falcon
I dont use mods
But whyyy
Healthbars on everything is fun
Feels like Diablo III xD
And seeing ur teammates' health and ammo is pretty helpful (and more entertaining when in need of rescue)
analog mural
Healthbars on everything is so unnecessary, just elites and specials is good
tacit sonnet
I disabled healthbars on everything except crushers and snipers
finite carbon
So if I'm understanding the veteran pandits correctly, this is the most optimal plasma gun?
finite carbon
Awesome, thanks
supple laurel
finally decided to pick up the name it mod
not sure what to name my toughness curios
dry cloak
not sure what to name my toughness curios
Fat layer
dry cloak
Ds🤮
supple laurel
mimimimimi
finite carbon
not sure what to name my toughness curios
Bonk protection
grand perch
Don't worry babe i got protection
tropic halo
finally decided to pick up the name it mod <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Your vet name gets me everytime
tough lagoon
whats the best autogun
dry cloak
whats the best autogun
All of them are good
Experiment and choose the one younlike
You can change marks freely now
tough lagoon
whats the main dif between agrip and columnus
dry cloak
whats the main dif between agrip and columnus
Agrip mk 1a hits hardest
Columnus mk8 is the balanced option in infatry autogun family
And vraks mk5 is fastest one
wanton dawn
Are we talking infantry or braced ?
dry cloak
Do braced autoguns have columnus in the lineup?
wanton dawn
They changed name so its confusing 
dry cloak
Also read what wrote and you should know
unreal nova
Still, they asked for all, so gotta factor in BAG and VAG. Although we know the last group is really meh.
umbral scaffold
versed merlin
whats bold pistol go to blessings? surgical + deadly?
versed merlin
puncture works like dumdum?
sorry not dumdum
infernal or whatever the las weapons blessings is called
tame lodge
Sort of
Puncture doesn't need a crit to proc
The logic behind Surgical Puncture is that if your crit doesn't kill the target, puncture will
versed merlin
man this is tough
all these blessings outside of the lethal prox - cause i have no idea how the explosion dmg looks like - looks pretty good
versed merlin
OH SHIT
i can swap blessings and refine perks as many times as i want and im not locked to only 2 of either?
unreal nova
Lethal prox is not for the gun, is for your 'nades.
And yes.
You just need dockets.
rustic beacon
whats bold pistol go to blessings? surgical + deadly?
Puncture+lethal prox
versed merlin
Lethal prox is not for the gun, is for your 'nades.
wdym? it procs from my grenades as well?
unreal nova
wdym? it procs from my grenades as well?
It makes your 'nades boom in a bigger area. Frags and kraks.
unreal nova
Mini nuke yes, not as much damage but it staggers alot.
To be fair, just drop 3 in emergencies. Everything but the chaos oggys are probs dead by then.
versed merlin
yeah that is true
not worth giving up all of vet's elite+uniyelding perks for extra grenades
and the weapons blessings
dry cloak
To be fair, just drop 3 in emergencies. Everything but the chaos oggys are probs...
Scab ragers
unreal nova
If then, you might be better off with other guns though.
unreal nova
Scab ragers
Naw, they have flak for some reason when it comes to bleed.
dry cloak
Naw, they have flak for some reason when it comes to bleed.
Yes
unreal nova
They will die to 3 'nades.
dry cloak
This was not updated
raw needle
yeah their base armor is flak
tame lodge
The armors look semi decent
lyric portal
good descripstion lol
dry cloak
Those armors are where commodores?
tame lodge
"We received reinforcements that are used to cold environments, sent them to the insanely hot metal fab"
versed merlin
lyric portal
lyric portal
"We received reinforcements that are used to cold environments, sent them to the...
its also anti-camouflage
tame lodge
versed merlin
i prefer the ones we can get through penances tbh
lyric portal
another commissar hat recolor
lyric portal
icestorm
versed merlin
anyone knows the name of the mod that lets you hold to shoot with laspistols?
oh found it
solar monolith
another commissar hat recolor
whe's the red one gonna come back 
forest turret
How to complete the challenge of suppress 750 enemies using infiltrate?
tame lodge
How to complete the challenge of suppress 750 enemies using infiltrate?
See horde
Go invisible
Approach horde
Break stealth
forest turret
See horde
Go invisible
Approach horde
Break stealth
and complete 50 havoc Assignments?
rustic beacon
Complete 50 havoc assignments
In case the problem is that you don‘t know what havoc is: you can unlock it once you are level 30 by playing a maelstrom mission
forest turret
thaks
unreal nova
<:chadgryn:1161142998214656090> icestorm
I see, we went back to DoW2.
unreal nova
whe's the red one gonna come back <:wail:961801871759114262>
Shush, you are reminding me of my lack of it. Reeeeeeeeeeee
plain agate
What blessings/perks should I use for the bolt pistol?
unreal nova
What blessings/perks should I use for the bolt pistol?
Lethan prox+puncture. I play 'nadier kinda support so.
pseudo fiber
Yooo bonus
tough tiger
??????????????????
Its just rounding up
tame lodge
What blessings/perks should I use for the bolt pistol?
Surgical Deadly Accurate
Surgical Puncture
Run and Gun Lethal Proximity (grenadier)
Elite Maniac
Or Elite Unarmored
I don't really remember the perks
rustic beacon
??????????????????
Mobility is actually 60.5 and one of the 80s is actually 79.5
rustic beacon
Indeed, a far cry from perfect. Roll again 
warm bolt
Terrible.
austere pine
so close, peeps
heavy rover
"We received reinforcements that are used to cold environments, sent them to the...
Who needs camo when you have plot armor
tall torrent
So if I'm understanding the veteran pandits correctly, this is the most optimal ...
Swap blaze away to rising heat
orchid hemlock
tawny badger
"We received reinforcements that are used to cold environments, sent them to the...
hot is just negative cold, they'll be aight
tall torrent
stub revolver is garbage
XIV? yea
tropic halo
Never understood the hype around it, me like boltgun better
unreal nova
stub revolver is garbage
Change marks.
terse idol
Zarona still pretty gooood
supple laurel
bolt pistol is just a better version of it im ngl
tall torrent
boltpistol is a slightly worse sidegrade of it
tropic halo
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664591642967408640/1320852161265143878/ax...
Look at that veteran go 
I will be honest the revolver can be fun with damage for single targets but personally i prefer the bolter and boltpistol more
tawny badger
horde clear revolver when
sick isle
griffinfoot flashbacks
tall torrent
I will be honest the revolver can be fun with damage for single targets but pers...
it's the strongest gun in the game for sniping specialists and elites basically
unreal nova
boltpistol is a slightly worse sidegrade of it
Depends, on vet... 'nades heheheh.
tall torrent
Depends, on vet... 'nades heheheh.
that's basically the only scenario where it legitimately outperforms revolver
if ur goal is to use it as a quick swap sniping gun and ur not using frags, it's at best a revolver sidegrade that's overall worse
everything it does better than revolver doesn't really matter below havoc
terse idol
Revolver with always prepared just craazy
tame lodge
stub revolver is garbage
Wrong
We do appreciate the honesty though
Anyways, join the Nerf Zarona club
Heard that Morrow killed the Old one eye with a single burst of the Agrivolver
(definitely not a plasma pistol)
So still the number one (outside of havoc)
Zarona, Zarona never changes
warm bolt
Heard that Morrow killed the Old one eye with a single burst of the Agrivolver
I also heard he was the one to assassinate Conrad Curze with just one bullet
faint beacon
Zarona used to be much much much worse to a point it was literally a "Why are you using any weapons aside of this gun"
unreal nova
Zarona used to be much much much worse to a point it was literally a "Why are yo...
But then Plasma happened, isn't it?
supple laurel
https://tenor.com/view/war-never-changes-war-fallout-soldier-run-gif-16498934
bugthesda.. bugthesda never changes
hollow rose
another day another fading light wipe because our psyker decided dome is for noobs
psykerS actually
hearty panther
dome is for noobs
hollow rose
95% of players aren't half as good as they think they are
not preparing a build for high havocs is throwing
hearty panther
guess you shouldve brought your own dome
hollow rose
right
hollow rose
spamming VOC, exploding crushers with kraks and kill gunners, but also need to stop bullets with my mind as a vet
god forbid teammates pull their weight
hearty panther
youre bringing kraks to high havocs?
quartz nymph
Get karkin' stuck in! all gunfire stops
warm bolt
youre bringing kraks to high havocs?
Is it not recommended?
Im genuinely asking cause im stuck at 20-ish havoc, not even 25 
hearty panther
you generate an astonishing number of grenades with one or both demo talents and the density is insane, so shredders shoot into the moon for value
hollow rose
Is it not recommended?
no, he's being a contrarian
broken spade
shredders are a lot easier to get value out of in havoc
hearty panther
taking out just a couple big bois is almost meaningless comparatively
warm bolt
broken spade
throwing 2 of them will deal a lot of damage
hearty panther
and we havent even brought uncanny strike into the picture
broken spade
and also useful stagger
warm bolt
i completely neglected the demo talents in my current build i think ngl
unreal nova
95% of players aren't half as good as they think they are
Some just think they are bottom barrel, so any actual clutches is like what even the dook happened.
quartz nymph
What's this uncanny strike tech I keep seeing?
sick isle
uncanny strike rending applies to dots
tame lodge
Funny since I ended up settling for Kraks because I got annoyed of the extra monstrosities
sick isle
so throw out shredders, stack uncanny and let the crushers bleed to death
unreal nova
What's this uncanny strike tech I keep seeing?
Throw frag, poke things with knoife/dueling, throw frag, poke more.
quartz nymph
Oo I didn't know that. I'm gonna use that
unreal nova
Well, other melees might work, I just know those two have uncanny... other than force sword.
unreal nova
Oh right, shovel is the last one with it, right?
unreal nova
I like how stylish it feels
Yeah, the fancy knoife moves and such. It adds so much 'life' to it tbh.
quartz nymph
I also like the combat axe. It has some flourish but not too the same extent as the cknife
tawny badger
do yall fw the chainsword
unreal nova
I also like the combat axe. It has some flourish but not too the same extent as ...
I just feel they could have added more to some other weapons.
quartz nymph
Esthetically, chainswords and chainsword adjacent weapons are my favorite in the 40k universe. I'm just not a huge fan of the moveset in darktide
quartz nymph
I just feel they could have added more to some other weapons.
It'd be nice if they went back and added a few animations to the weapons to give them more pizzazz
raw needle
do yall fw the chainsword
only in space marine..................
quartz nymph
Chainswording a jumping Tyranid mid air is a dopamine hit
unreal nova
It'd be nice if they went back and added a few animations to the weapons to give...
Because the animations spice it up.
ocean rock
another commissar hat recolor
Dang, need the helmet with goggles. Does anyone know if it's going to be in the vestures rotation soon? Or is it not official?
tame lodge
Soon™
They usually add new cosmetics with the hotfix, then data miners find it
It usually ends up on the shop
So probably in 3 days
hollow ibex
In before another slop rotation
ocean rock
Nice, can't wait!
wanton dawn
Did they reactivate some maps recently ?
raw needle
no
hearty panther
booo
faint beacon
Excise isn’t back riot immediately
sacred igloo
Is it bad that I don't even remember which one excise is
hearty panther
servitor christmas tree
sacred igloo
Right
Skull pillar
How long has it been out of rotation for? Feels like months at least
narrow frost
since crafting update
raw needle
def not since crafting, a bit later and a bit before havoc
raw needle
vacuum capsule
narrow frost
power cell
faint beacon
How long has it been out of rotation for? Feels like months at least
Since release of Havoc
Cause it had issues Didnt it?
I seriously can’t recall the root cause for it being pulled but there was another map
Excise + another one they pulled
narrow frost
I ate it
faint beacon
Oh fuck those but they actually came back
raw needle
narrow frost
yes
faint beacon
Wonder why excise remains… gone
narrow frost
I ate it
faint beacon
Well fucking spit it out
narrow frost
nope
faint beacon
I want to play that map again
faint beacon
It’s coarse
And rough
The 1 of 2 excise fans realizing yet again there is no word on the map returning
loud belfry
all maps sorta blend together for me (i dont pay much attention to anything but the killing i think) but i like that map enough to wish for its return
faint beacon
Shit I’m realizing how empty hourglass is
Literally the relay station now that’s it
wanton dawn
Finally found myself another build I like in h40
faint beacon
That being
wanton dawn
bolter/axe tag
faint beacon
Rashad?
faint beacon
Honestly not surprised it’s still keeping its momentum in H40
I defaulted to knife cause I’d prefer melting shit with bleed uncanny
wanton dawn
The build still feel unrefined imo. I take the rashad because it is the best generalist horde clear outside of ps
ps and bolter together is too cluncky
faint beacon
I should attempt to somehow make the VA havoc viable (it won’t be)
It’s got like one thing going for it coming from experience of using them on a H38
Really good ammo Econ
Like really good
wanton dawn
Plus, I basically removed all ammo node.
faint beacon
But that’s about it
wanton dawn
This is basically bolter at it slowest reload
faint beacon
FT 8 stacks
I was about to say sin then I realize BP change drastically so it really doesnt matter
As long as it dies as quickly as possible lmao
wanton dawn
It is for boss mostly
faint beacon
Juicy 8 stack on a boss and an Unyielding %+ uncanny bleed knife user starts hitting them
wanton dawn
It is also a relatively easy to maintain 4.5% teamwide
It is honestly hard to get more out of a single point. You need to consider pathing to get more value
I could grab the reload i guess, with this plus swap speed
but eh
I can handle slow reload
faint beacon
I’m honestly sitting here wondering how the hell I could even make use of the Vigilants and I’m defaulting on like MF shockingly or mainly FT
wanton dawn
vigilant on havoc ?
faint beacon
Cause I mean it never hurts to have shredder spam
Absolutely it manages just it’s not the end all be all
Ammo Econ good that’s really about it tragically
wanton dawn
I think it'd be a worse bolter
Bolter has a lot of utility beyond killing power
Like 2 shot to suppress a team of reaper
faint beacon
I might have something in mind to be honest but it’s probably gonna require heavy experimentation
faint beacon
Like 2 shot to suppress a team of reaper <:whatthefuck_heresy:104972444420723916...
Woe, Cranial upon ye
Actually holy shit I think I might have something
wanton dawn
Maybe I should go for OfB. But losing the 33% Thoughness resist feels wrong
faint beacon
G7 VA Ghost Opening
Probably FT seeing MF really just needs help
I’m unsure how good its suppression is
wanton dawn
Not taking tag feels wrong
faint beacon
MF has a shit ton of potential it’s just HEAVILY held back by its conditions
wanton dawn
MF tunnel you into ranged. And has no team utility
faint beacon
Especially on Havoc where ammo doesn’t exist
Unless you’re a vet
You’re the walking ammo economy
faint beacon
Demo and stock have huge fucking value in havoc also
wanton dawn
hellbore probably prefer tag too
faint beacon
Cause a mixed elite spam horde
Cannot do much against the unyielding power of shredder spam
It’s why you can unironically run Bolt pistol LP if you’re literally acting as the horde delete anchor
Grenade tinkerer also
Forgot to mention that
wanton dawn
You can skip tinkerer, not regen
faint beacon
I would not know I never saw a smoker in havoc
Safety net for sudden shooter spawns
That or
There’s not a dome player
Really good substitute
wanton dawn
I think frags are just as good for sudden shooter spawn
faint beacon
Oh yeah GT makes Smokes last 30 seconds
Meaning you really only have a downtime of like
30 vs 60 with stockpile lmao
wanton dawn
ALso smoke to aura path is terrible
wanton dawn
I still prefer frag dmg
I guess I could go smoke dmg for better path to agile but
not really
Oh well. I am just happy to bring my bolter vet to top diff content
sacred igloo
I would not know I never saw a smoker in havoc
I saw it once and we got bodied because he had a combat shotgun and smokes
Like I would literally rather have kraks
Than smokes
wanton dawn
I mean, bringing shotgun to havoc is not in my todolist
sacred igloo
I would hope not
Unless you're double barrel gaming with weapon specialist
Then I can excuse it slightly
wanton dawn
I don't think I ever saw a double barrel
sacred igloo
But not anything above H20
wanton dawn
Well, when I say havoc i mean h40
wanton dawn
Below 20 I'll bring whatever
narrow frost
Yeah I feel like H40 is very strict with what you can and can't bring
not really
depends on skill
as always
wanton dawn
depends on skill
Yeah, the skill of the 3 other ppl does matter
narrow frost
yup
actually
it doesnt
it just takes more skill to team carry
then carry your own weight
once again, build and weapon viability relies on skill
wanton dawn
Yeah but I got a 
bottom
narrow frost
Real
wanton dawn
In any case, some build are "better" than other
sonic elk
This'll be fun
narrow frost
In any case, some build are "better" than other
Indeed
but no weapon is unrunable in havoc
or build
wanton dawn
If I bring bolter to h40, I want it to be at least "good"
And now I feel I can make it work
without being a zealot that is
sonic elk
Terror tactics, aye
wanton dawn
I would try recon but I hate this weapon with all my soul
narrow frost
sonic elk
Nothing beats a good knife
narrow frost
DS does
sonic elk
Knife and Lasgun
Basic guardmans kit
wanton dawn
I do think DS is basically an easier to use knife
quartz nymph
I do love the 🔪
wanton dawn
I still prefer rashad axe and ps mk6
sacred igloo
I would try recon but I hate this weapon with all my soul
I love it just because it's the closest I can get to a hotshot volley gun BUT FATSHARK WONT LET ME HAVE IT
quartz nymph
I still prefer rashad axe and ps mk6
Great weapons too
sonic elk
There's no better feeling than killing 500 million heretics with a just a simple knife
wanton dawn
I don't like recon cuz it feel mono-dimensional to me
hollow ibex
Taxe
wanton dawn
Taxe <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
silk bobcat
Recons and autoguns are great because my aim sucks. Sure I didn’t kill that pack of gunners but I sure suppressed em
sonic elk
CLOSE! KILL! AND DO IT AGAIN!
wanton dawn
Bolter and braced are great at suppression
Inf iag vrak formely known as columnus use to be great, but since surv nerf it fell down hard
Also do not like havoc modifier
silk bobcat
Can anyone explain why you’d take the bolt pistol or bolter over the other?
sonic elk
Feels nice
wanton dawn
Can anyone explain why you’d take the bolt pistol or bolter over the other?
Bolt pistol is more agile but ads and dump is worse
hollow ibex
Can anyone explain why you’d take the bolt pistol or bolter over the other?
Bistol is a sidearm. Bolter is a primary
wanton dawn
You cant play bolter with weapon specialist
silk bobcat
Ok that’s about what I was guessing. Just wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing anything
faint beacon
I saw it once and we got bodied because he had a combat shotgun and smokes
I’d say it’s more so the fact he was using arguably one of the extremely hard to use guns in the game
hollow ibex
You could but it'd feel reeeally bad
sonic elk
Bolt pistol feels good
That's about it
wanton dawn
Another weapon that fell of like crazy is revolver
silk bobcat
You cant play bolter with weapon specialist
Personally I like it with weapon specialist. That loop of melee kills getting 2-3 rounds into your mag feels nice
faint beacon
but no weapon is unrunable in havoc
I’d say it explains a lot on how I managed to do really well on my first ever 35+ with a VA cause I was testing the waters before getting blamed for the wipe of not running a good weapon lmao
wanton dawn
Personally I like it with weapon specialist. That loop of melee kills getting 2-...
Imo a WS build that do not abuse agile is probably below standard
thick needle
I’d say it explains a lot on how I managed to do really well on my first ever 35...
Close enough welcome back Destiny
wanton dawn
Also are we talking about boltgun or boltpistol ?
faint beacon
I’ll probably try running Vigilant again in higher havocs sometime again
wanton dawn
Boltpistol is fine with WS
faint beacon
I just have to really fucking think on how to optimize it lmao
wanton dawn
boltgun is... a different build
silk bobcat
Also are we talking about boltgun or boltpistol ?
Both in general but yeah I see how having to rack the bolt messes with agile
thick needle
Boltgun you are mostly building around that reload speed lmao
wanton dawn
Idk man 3 seconds seems pretty manageable???
impracticable and do not help pullout
loud belfry
you can either look at builds as being better or worse based on their maximum possible attainment or their attainment when controlled for skill level
silk bobcat
impracticable and do not help pullout
Yeah I was joking
wanton dawn
Yeah I was joking
no joke, it is the internet hence I must be mald
tawny badger
insert knife bleed gif here
wanton dawn
insert knife bleed gif here
dont cut yourself on that edge
tawny badger
dont cut yourself on that edge
faint beacon
Local reminder that Uncanny does in fact effect the bleed DOT
quartz nymph
Thank you
tawny badger
Local reminder that Uncanny does in fact effect the bleed DOT
ok but does that make bleed good
narrow frost
yes
narrow frost
thats why uncanny lacerate is the best knife combo
tame lodge
faint beacon
FT/Lacerate + Uncanny
narrow frost
yup
faint beacon
It’s honestly dependent on preference but Lacerate if you can manage head and body juggling
faint beacon
It’s funny as hell cause like
Lacerate and Uncanny on their own
Being in the sentence with skill
Should not exist
narrow frost
lol
narrow frost
I still remember before the DS on every class how many people I had to explain to that uincanny lac is the ebst
faint beacon
I can argue FT for Vet and Zeal cause of their innate Crit talents
faint beacon
I still remember before the DS on every class how many people I had to explain t...
Because it seems like you’re unironically baiting and it’s like a genuinely hilarious way to abuse insane DOT
I tend to hop between Lac or FT depending on how I want to play lmao
tall torrent
Uncanny needs to be adjusted
narrow frost
uncanny needs to be removed
tall torrent
100% total rending is silly
20% melee rending would be more in line with other stuff
tall torrent
I honestly don’t mind Rending Backstab having 100%
That one is fine
faint beacon
Hit head to have 100% is so dumb
tawny badger
part of me wishes there was some sort of feedback for rending backstab
faint beacon
part of me wishes there was some sort of feedback for rending backstab
120* angle behind where the enemy is facing for melee iirc
But there should be some sort of feed back or minimum a mod that shows if you’re doing a backstab
tawny badger
spy tf2 in tidedark
tawny badger
180 at minimum
tall torrent
@faint beacon
tawny badger
Le 180* backstab has arrived
don't forget the bluetooth backstabs
faint beacon
They adding a collar by itself finally for the favorite child
tall torrent
They adding a collar by itself finally for the favorite child
that's zealot.
psyker cosmetic base is built on zealot
faint beacon
don't forget the bluetooth backstabs
I’m honestly curious if there even is a back stab mod
Could be a simple indicator
faint beacon
No fucking way
novel silo
How’s it going everyone, if it wouldn’t be much to ask could someone give me a screen shot of their talents and curios build for a veteran running an autogun?
Trying to find something that melts enemies since I’m trying to finally play auric but I need something to pass maelstrom first
quartz falcon
Finally, a person of culture and cutlery
❤️
sacred igloo
Trying to find something that melts enemies since I’m trying to finally play aur...
Columnus Mk V IAG slaps
I think they changed the name of it though, idk what it is now
Graia?
narrow frost
Vraks
faint beacon
Noob didnt knowe.. typical..
Get out of my chat…..
novel silo
Yea I’ve been running the breaks for a long time now. Took a hideous from the game and there’s a shit ton of new stuff all over the ship
But my skill has gone down a bit and I feel that the talent I had prior to all the updates doesn’t do half the damage it once did
Just looking from something better talent/stat wise
stone quail
If having to choose between rending strikes and bring it down, which do?
hollow ibex
Test in the psyk and see which one helps more
stone quail
Test in the psyk and see which one helps more
Big brained. Thank you
hollow ibex
Big brained. Thank you
Usually it's weapons with lower damage per shot that benefit more from rending. Usually. But yeah testing in the psyk is the best way to know for sure.
stone quail
Usually it's weapons with lower damage per shot that benefit more from rending. ...
THIS HELPS A LOT. So helbore probably doesn’t need the rending node?
But it gets more damage with rending. So-
hollow ibex
THIS HELPS A LOT. So helbore probably doesn’t need the rending node?
Uh I only use the mk iv, which is the heaviest one
That one shouldn't need it
Not sure about the rest, would guess not except against carapace perhaps
faint beacon
THIS HELPS A LOT. So helbore probably doesn’t need the rending node?
Helbores don’t really need rending you tend to worry about raw damage output on them or crits
terse idol
But it gets more damage with rending. So-
Well, ahh you gotya do the break point testing to dee
stone quail
I’m trying to run it so that I don’t really need ammo. Saw someone mention a helbore build in ogryn chat and I was just like HMM
terse idol
After reading the rending bit, it's a good idea to check if it'll even matter to take rending
faint beacon
Mainly you have to look at it as
Does it’s ADM really fucking matter to need Rending
last pebble
Who the hell is tanner lindberg
tame lodge
Who the hell is tanner lindberg
Abrasive YouTuber with weird/wrong takes
faint beacon
Tannercord is also a cesspit from the small snippets I’ve seen from it if that further clears up anything as well lmao
last pebble
Yes it does
Just filling in the gaps from my time away from this game :)))
Thanks fellas
hollow ibex
Abrasive YouTuber with weird/wrong takes
Abrasive and known racist* Youtuber