veteran-class

[vernal trench]

Cant push without stamina

[hollow ibex]

takes less stam than blocking multiple hits

[vernal trench]

They come instantly a lot of times

Not one by one

[unreal nova]

Wut. That is where you try to run the dumbest build you can make.

[hollow ibex]

all i can say is that i've been totally fine without +3 stam

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[hollow ibex]

and i regularly play auric/AM

including with low stam weapons like tacaxe

[vernal trench]

Yea thats probably why

In high havocs u need it cuz they take a lot of stamina

[grand perch]

cant have low stam if your stam is already low

[sage cairn]

hiya vets, currently leveling one rn, are there recommended builds to follow? I'm nearing max level and would want to look into ones now.

I mainly focus on pew pew and just take out melee when theyre close to wacking range

[hollow ibex]

can't speak to high havoc since the mode is literally unplayable for me

[vernal trench]

in auric maelstroms u can just block forever without +3 stam

[hollow ibex]

nah def not lol

even stuff like bruiser waves will chunk your stam

if you keep blocking

[vernal trench]

Well i exaggerated a bit

[vernal trench]

XD

[hollow ibex]

taxe moment

[vernal trench]

Please do not use shout vet with plasma gun and dueling sword

Its what metaman would tell u is the standard in high havocs

[vernal trench]

Wdym unplayable

[sage cairn]

I am currently using the shout skill, I'm leveling various stuff to 20 atm -- I'll look into weapons later

[vernal trench]

Try out everything

[hollow ibex]

nobody playing it, cba'd to go speed dating to find people to play with

[vernal trench]

Wym theres tons of people playing it

[hollow ibex]

maybe where you're at

[vernal trench]

Oof are u in asia

[hollow ibex]

nah NA West

on saturday, there was a single party playing it

[sage cairn]

then what builds could you recommend? is there one that is generally agreed upon?

[hollow ibex]

saturday lmao

[vernal trench]

Did u press e

To clear filters

[hollow ibex]

filters aren't the issue

i've played havoc already

[vernal trench]

Idk i dont live there

[hollow ibex]

including through party finder

if fatshart cba'd to make a proper matchmaker for the mode, i cba'd to play it 🖕

[vernal trench]

U can find people here in lfg channels tho

[loud belfry]

I just looked at na west and there ain't no parties at all

[hollow ibex]

i could, but i'd rather just QP and have fun

with the time i have

[vernal trench]

Fair enough

[grand perch]

is NA west just completely on fire or whats going on

[hollow ibex]

i'd like to do play havoc more, but just isn't worth it rn for me

[vernal trench]

Most teamates u come across are shit anyway in anywhere for havocs

[loud belfry]

is 8.5 AM , many asleep. including me

[orchid hemlock]

Everyone at work or in the fallout of yesterday

[vernal trench]

Lmfao

[hollow ibex]

you're sleep talking

[vernal trench]

Shout is good for beginners

Gives u golden toughness and u can spam that shit especially in high havocs

Infiltrate takes way more skill and has specific use cases

Executioner stance in high havocs from my experience u rpetty much need a good team to protect u

Outside havocs like in auric stuff its got good survivability if u can keep landing weakspot hits

[sage cairn]

alrighty, what do people usually lean on? for the 3 keystones at the bottom

the left most looks iffy since it requires some amount of stationary shooting?

so is it mid and right?

[hollow ibex]

you are correct

MF is pretty situational/meh

[warm bolt]

Middle one sees the most use iirc

[hollow ibex]

middle is your generalist, always-good keystone

right is for builds with a stronger emphasis on melee

both are exceptional

and right is very fun to play

[vernal trench]

Id say usually weapons specialist

I dont even use any on the build i run with

[sage cairn]

[hollow ibex]

yeah you can run without keystones, like on recon las

[vernal trench]

Yea its not really necessary

[sage cairn]

OOOOOOOOOO

that makes things way nicer,

[vernal trench]

Its only in havocs where u really gotta maximize everthing thats when some builds can really use them well

[sage cairn]

there seems to tidbits i want from every branch but the keystones dont look as good

[vernal trench]

Yea i dont even use any in my build

[sage cairn]

Focus Target means to manual tag them yea?

[vernal trench]

Yea

[sage cairn]

interesting

[hollow ibex]

i use the mod because lazy

[grand perch]

[vernal trench]

Its good for bosses

[sage cairn]

the mod works?

I should actually start setting up the mods

[grand perch]

not if you value your teammates nerves

[hollow ibex]

yeah it'll auto tag for you when you swipe your mouse over, for a certain period of time

[hollow ibex]

nah it's on a delay

it's not like having tag on lmb

[grand perch]

thats okay then

[vernal trench]

Executioner stance works very well with the left one

Forgot name

[hollow ibex]

my delay is something like 8 seconds

[sage cairn]

alright, thanks gang

will experiment

[vernal trench]

Test it oit in psykanarium

N then in actual games

[sage cairn]

[sturdy furnace]

Still wondering if anyone is available to help a fellow veteran with the On Overwatch Penance?

[sage cairn]

follow up question

does everyone take the Shock Trooper skill? for Las Guns?

it sounds very good, unless I"m missing something

[vernal trench]

What that do again

[sage cairn]

if las gun crits = no ammo used iirc?

[vernal trench]

Crit hits no ammo?

[inland orchid]

ya it’s how most people have a bigger ammo pool with recon las weaponry

[sage cairn]

[vernal trench]

Yea if u use a lasgun u should take it

[sage cairn]

wait is Plasma considered a Las gun?

[inland orchid]

No

[sage cairn]

P"las"ma

[vernal trench]

With a hellbore technically u can have infinite ammo

[sage cairn]

aight thanks though

I do plan to use Recon Las, it sounds so... therapeutic?

esp when its near low ammo

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/damin-toell-get-out-gif-2960077830144535500

[sage cairn]

[native wagon]

Is it true that Recon lasgun mk 9 is the worst out of three?

[grand perch]

they's all good

[native wagon]

Damn

[sage cairn]

wait theyre not all fast shoot pew pew laser guns?

[grand perch]

well 2 are full auto

and 1 is fuller auto

[sage cairn]

I assume the 3rd one is Fuller Auto?

[sage cairn]

damn the the Mk 12 is double the fire rate

[grand perch]

you want VIc for its ammo economy (my havoc recommendation), XII for its awesome firerate (for stuff like infernus for example) and XIV for its great cleave

[sage cairn]

[hollow ibex]

i think VI is the best atm tbh

[sage cairn]

what are the top melee choices for Vet?

except Duelist

[hollow ibex]

rashad, power sword

rashad is prob the best overall

[sage cairn]

the power sword? 🤔

[grand perch]

according to every gameslantern build, its chainsword for some reason

but nah really its psword and rashad caxe

[hollow ibex]

gameslantern being gameslantern

[bleak cradle]

Wasn’t the chain sword hot shit, for like, a week or something? Can’t remember why though

[loud belfry]

is hot shit a good thing

[grand perch]

its still pretty much hot shit except for being able to light spam trash hordes

[hollow ibex]

generally no, i prefer it cold

[austere pine]

isn't it stupid early in the morning though?

[loud belfry]

not really anymore, it's 9 am

[orchid hemlock]

west coaster

u on fire yet?

[loud belfry]

one day...

[austere pine]

it's a wednesday at 9 pm there

do you expect people to be on darktide playing when people have jobs and school?

[loud belfry]

I wasn't surprised, barely anyone uses pf anyway

[inland orchid]

I mean there are people without those playing

[austere pine]

no they literally do

[inland orchid]

So it’s not too far fetched

[austere pine]

sure sure

but like

what's the unemployment % over there?

can't be all too high

[vernal trench]

I find people to do havoc 40s with on party finder everyday idk what yall yapping about

[austere pine]

and of the few people that even play darktide, it might be even lower % which is unemployed

i mean i can't do havoc 40 but i see people running high 30s all the time

[loud belfry]

you're a very aggro poster, you know that?

[austere pine]

there's zealot chat for aggro people and there's one aggro person in psyker chat at times

[vernal trench]

Yea it does take a while depending on time of day

[loud belfry]

totally depends on time of day. at normal hours there is probably always a few parties in pf. but really you'd think if people used it a lot there'd always be dozens of parties

[austere pine]

it takes me a really long time to get people during hours people aren't at home

without party finder for havoc

sure it takes some time but like...

[hollow ibex]

Why do you think havoc exists

It's to make people use this shit feature

[loud belfry]

effectively ye

[vernal trench]

They need to make party finder more prominent

All it gets in normal mission board is a tiny littke icon at the bottom right

[vernal trench]

Wdym

[austere pine]

misspoke

without party finder for

i guess just missions

[vernal trench]

I still dont get what u mean

[austere pine]

that if at ungodly am i go into a match i can sometimes not even get people and wipe becuase i'm running damnation with bots

or shit like that

think 4/5 am

and it doesn't get much better until like 11 am when people are starting to wake up

[sage cairn]

caxe? rashad caxe?

[austere pine]

rashad caxe

[sage cairn]

[austere pine]

combat axe

...

[sage cairn]

OH

[faint beacon]

Rashad III Combat Axe

[sage cairn]

I was thinking of Chain Axe

[austere pine]

that'd be chaxe

[faint beacon]

Caxe and Chaxe

[sage cairn]

goddamnit

[faint beacon]

That’s usually what they’re called

[sage cairn]

[austere pine]

bread 👍

[sage cairn]

bread

[faint beacon]

There’s also Taxe

[vernal trench]

Yea partyfinder dies at midnight

[austere pine]

we don't speak about taxe

and we rarely speak about chaxe

caxe gets all the spotlight, for a good reason

[sage cairn]

oh cool, shop have me 60% mobi Caxe

its a sign

[austere pine]

mine's bricked

[sage cairn]

rip

[quartz nymph]

Has anyone's social screens not return any data? The last week or so whenever I pull up the social menu there's no data in any of the tabs

I know I'm a friendless loser, but like shouldn't mourning star have people on the list in that tab? Or like recent missions?

[loud belfry]

I just keep closing it and opening it when stuff doesn't load. usually ends up loading

[sage cairn]

ohh follow up question, what does recon lasgun want for blessing, I assume Infernus and Headhunter?

[narrow sand]

What’s the dumb stat for Bolter pistol and dueling sword?

[sage cairn]

iirc Bolter is Mobility, Dueling is Cleave or Mobility

[austere pine]

bolter is collateral

does basically nothing

[sage cairn]

[austere pine]

and for dsword it's a preference thing ultimately

[grand perch]

as an enjoyer i can confirm thats a thing that exists

[austere pine]

cleave or mobility. i like mobility dump stat

[tall torrent]

Collateral for boltpistol

[sage cairn]

after a quick feel of Caxe,yeah I like Taxe more

[austere pine]

oh bolt pistol

well my point stands but i really should learn to read

[tall torrent]

Combat axe needs talent investment into bottom right for attack speed

[austere pine]

the attack speed is glorious

[quartz nymph]

I like the combat knife

[grand perch]

caxes are objectively the better weapon compared to taxes

[sage cairn]

does it go as fast?

[austere pine]

dudes why do i keep getting friended and messages by random people whenever i send messages to this server

❤️‍🩹

[austere pine]

nope but it deals a lot more and a lot better damage

more reach

[sage cairn]

fast 😦

[tall torrent]

Same run speed assuming perfect roll

[sage cairn]

no like, the attack speed

[tall torrent]

A bit worse dodge

[tall torrent]

No, tac axe is faster

[austere pine]

play shank if you want fast

or dsword

[tall torrent]

Just with 1/3 of the single target dps

[native wagon]

What stats should be priority for combat knife?

[tall torrent]

Everything except mobility

[austere pine]

all but mobility

[loud belfry]

female name

[vernal trench]

Dueling sword is too op change my mind

[austere pine]

johnny silverhand profile picture i bet

makes people think i have an impressive cock

[loud belfry]

oh yeah definitely

[austere pine]

very unpopular opinion. you're so brave for saying this

[vernal trench]

Ive had many poeple agree with me tho

Its just too op

[austere pine]

bless your heart ❤️

[native wagon]

I have 440 with good stats, but it's kinda spread out
80 damage
79 Finess
74 first target
79 mobility
68 pen

And also 300 knife with everything 80 but mobility

Is it worth to use 440 knife for now? Until I upgrade other one?

[vernal trench]

I mean i use it for my build but its still too op

[austere pine]

you don't want mobility

you want mobility to be 60

[vernal trench]

whole team of toothpick users is so aids me being one of them

[austere pine]

use that one because it's upgraded but like

[native wagon]

Yeah I will use it to do missions for now

[austere pine]

it takes little to nothing to get a good stat spread shank and upgrade that

[native wagon]

Then upgrade other one and switch

[austere pine]

wdymmmmmmmm other one

[sage cairn]

teh caxe chargeattack feels good, BOP

[austere pine]

you want damage, pen, first target, finesse all to be 80

[austere pine]

yeah that's why it's so good for single target

[pale sand]

I call it the un-endower or the over-undercompensator

[tame lodge]

Hot take
They should nerf the cleave on light attacks but keep the rest as it is

[pale sand]

wait nah you're actually kinda cheffing here. If they took away: ninja run profile, stagger on poke, and reduced it's horde clear potential it would be a fine weapon.

[vernal trench]

Id rather them nerf heavy damage

[pale sand]

It's just the fact that its a golden triangle weapon: stagger, speed, dmg.

[austere pine]

heavy damage is what makes it as strong as it is

because for hordes you already don't really use it

[vernal trench]

Yea so neef it

[pale sand]

that and the 300% mod if you take uncanny

[vernal trench]

Nerf

Keep the cleave so it doesnt become basically another knife

[austere pine]

it's okay for hordes but not great, especially if you're playing proper guns

[vernal trench]

Yea

Knife sucks too much at clearing hordes on vet

[austere pine]

on vet*

[vernal trench]

U get 5 guys infront of u and itll take a while to kill them and move on

[austere pine]

zealot has absolutely no problem with bleeds

[vernal trench]

Yea but vet aint got none of that

[tall torrent]

DS is slower horde clear than knife

[vernal trench]

How

[austere pine]

it is yeah

[tall torrent]

It just is?

[austere pine]

knife attacks fast

and has better lights

[vernal trench]

Yea but its got bad cleave

[austere pine]

it's got better cleave than ds lol

not even joking

[tall torrent]

Duelling sword doesn’t even get to hit weakspots much vs horde

[austere pine]

and if you use push attacks for knife, it goes through hordes like through butter

it does but it hits one guy in the head

[tall torrent]

First target weak spot
Then attack angle messes u over

[austere pine]

and that's it

[vernal trench]

Naybe im just stupid

Mobians is probably why

[tall torrent]

Even if enemies are literally stacked on top of each other, knife is still faster than DS

[sage cairn]

okay so looking at caxe blessings

I'm betting its a pairing between Thrust / Brutal Momentum and Headtaker?

[tall torrent]

Carapace
Unarmored / elite
Brutal momentum
Headtaker

For mk III

[vernal trench]

Knife is pretty shit at clearing hordes whenever i use it

[quartz nymph]

What blessings should you run on knife? Im currently doing both bleed ones but I feel like that isn't right lol

[sage cairn]

hell yeah, I got it somewhat right

[vernal trench]

It might be a havoc thing but it just sucks

Idk what i can be doing wrong there

[austere pine]

do you push attack?

[opal plover]

Thats why u use shredders to clear the super thick hordes

[austere pine]

with either knife

[tall torrent]

Lacerate not really worth for veteran

[vernal trench]

Not constantly

[austere pine]

yeah that's where you're wrong

[vernal trench]

Are u supposed to do that with knife

[austere pine]

only zealot uses lights with knives

[vernal trench]

Whats the difference

[austere pine]

zealot gets lacerate and has piety

so crits galore makes you cc hordes well

[vernal trench]

What does push attack do for knife

[quartz nymph]

Is that the weak spot or non weak spot one?

[austere pine]

has a lot more cleave than lights?

[tall torrent]

6.5 cleave

Light attacks are 3 cleave

[vernal trench]

Ah

Ill try that thanks

[tall torrent]

Havoc gives groaners and poxwalkers 3.2x mass

[austere pine]

that's kinda disgusting imo lol

[vernal trench]

Whats that even mean

[tame lodge]

1 and 1.25 times 3.2

[austere pine]

higui and path have this one

[vernal trench]

Which havoc tho

[tall torrent]

You don’t get to hit more than 1 poxwalker per light atk

[vernal trench]

Damn

does it change from havoc 1 to 40?

Or all 3.2

[tall torrent]

I just care about highest scale which is 3.2x mass

[vernal trench]

No wonder why its shit when i was spamming lights

[tall torrent]

Poxwalker gets 4 mass

Duelling sword can hit 2 with light atk

But horde clear still nonexistent

[vernal trench]

Thats why it felt better using ds

Cuz i spam loghts

[tall torrent]

Trick is

Mk6 is the better knife

[vernal trench]

Push attack can hit how many with knife

[tall torrent]

2

[vernal trench]

Knife mk 6?

Or wdym

[tall torrent]

Yea

[austere pine]

yup

[vernal trench]

I forgot which ine that is

Is that the stab stab one for heavy

[austere pine]

heavies can actually clear hordes

without using push attacks

that's the slash one for heavy

[vernal trench]

Knifes range is also shit too

[tall torrent]

Horizontal heavy

[austere pine]

mk3 is the stab one

[vernal trench]

Ah ok

[austere pine]

doesn't matter you get hit with ds at that range anyway

[vernal trench]

3 is what i use then

Ill try 6

Stamina is a problem when i clear hodes cuz i cant cleave through them

[austere pine]

i like 3 but because the push attacks feel better to use on ogryns and monstros but mk6 is so much better

[tall torrent]

Mk6 is much more complex moveset for slightly better all round performance

[vernal trench]

Not hordes more like a amall geoup of enemies

[austere pine]

hit heads

can't help you more xd

[tall torrent]

Just axe

[vernal trench]

Also a different story when mobians walk in

They tanky

[austere pine]

hit heads

[tame lodge]

Changes from 1-40
The first horde buff is at Havoc 7 iirc
x1.40 mass and x1.10 hp

[tall torrent]

Red node / 10% melee talent

Gives Rashad 1 tap moebian groaners

[austere pine]

if you are hitting heads and using the proper attacks for each engagement, but still feel like you're struggling, don't use the weapon

MOEBIAN GROANERS???

WHAT IS BRO ON

mean moebian 21st?

[crimson pebble]

new modifer the mobian gooners

[tall torrent]

Moebian 21st infected groaners

[vernal trench]

Yea

[austere pine]

such a cursed statement

[tall torrent]

AKA Moebian groaners

[vernal trench]

They tanky

[tall torrent]

843.75 unarmored

[vernal trench]

Idk what that means

[austere pine]

hp

[tall torrent]

That’s how much health they have

And their weak spot armor type

[vernal trench]

Theyre easy to clear with pwoersword it feels nice

I gotta test knife and try 2+3 stams

[austere pine]

😭

knife in havoc ❤️‍🩹

[vernal trench]

It works but dueling sword is just better

But its so meta i just dont wanna use it

[unreal nova]

Cos Agile.

[vernal trench]

Its so gay seeing 4 duelign sword users

[vernal trench]

I dont use it

I use uncanny and thrust

[austere pine]

thrust sucks balls

sincerely, a thrust user

[tame lodge]

Rare thrust user

[vernal trench]

Na i love it

cuz i charge with it to enemies anyway

[austere pine]

you can dish out 2 heavies in the time it takes you to fully utilize thrust

[vernal trench]

And it barely takes any time for the thrust to stack max

[unreal nova]

Play with 3 psykers who only like BEEG swords.

[vernal trench]

u cant do that if u rushing an enemy and it looks stupid

[austere pine]

gun to my head, 4 dswords or 3 psykers with 2hand force swords, gun goes off

[vernal trench]

i like holding it down and charge at something quickly

[tall torrent]

Meta is axe veteran + relic blade zealot + flame psyker

But too many people crutch too hard on DS to see what actually are the best

[austere pine]

i got scared

because you said flame psyker

and i thought it said flamer psyker

[vernal trench]

well meta is shout vet plasma gunand dueling sword

[austere pine]

i had to read that 3 times

[vernal trench]

The gayest build u can use

[tall torrent]

Nah

[vernal trench]

Thats what everyone uses

[austere pine]

what the hell is up with using "gay" as a descriptor?

[vernal trench]

So its what the meta is for everyone rn

[austere pine]

means literally nothing and it's a word that should have been left in fucking 2010

[tall torrent]

Popularity doesn’t mean most effective, it’s just dumb easy to run and people hard crutch on it

[vernal trench]

It just means the easier to survive with

[tame lodge]

Unfortunately plasma won't cut against basic shooters

[vernal trench]

Cuz u just spam special for heavies

[tall torrent]

It’s how people get hard copium wishing for chorus zealot in their teams when nobody actually wants to play as a 600k dmg chorus boi

[vernal trench]

lmao i hate people like that

[unreal nova]

XD

[vernal trench]

U gotta bring this u gotta bring that

[austere pine]

i do lol

i love it. makes me feel like a hero when i push 15 shooters while dashing to the side, since i can't sprint

[unreal nova]

Hi, Resident 200k damage chorus bot.

[vernal trench]

If u need 2 chorus zealots and shout vet and bubble smite flame psyker to hold ur hand through a havoc 40 to get true survivor u got a massive skill issue

[tall torrent]

Work as a team and bring what the team needs

[austere pine]

we're pinned by shooters, i whip out relic and the shooters cower in fear, for good reason

[vernal trench]

But u got people bringing all that just to cheese it and then die when they dont have golden toughness every second

[austere pine]

hard to do when everybody and their mother wants to play ogryn or smite psyker or doesn't speak english

[austere pine]

huh?

[vernal trench]

I just bring what i like and not what shout specifically

[tall torrent]

Find premade then, if u can’t count on party finder pubs

[austere pine]

either people don't like me as a person or i don't like them

always happens. no use in finding people that way

[vernal trench]

People stack chorus and shout just to cheese a true survivor when they cant even not die without golden toughness in any normal game

Kill bosses through doors

Step in blight so if they down they instant die

Stack golden toughness all game

That aint skill

All that to cheese a true survivor title and still stay a bad player

[austere pine]

and this is a skill issue on my end but that's why i, personally, don't try my damnest to work as a team

[tall torrent]

Just run poxbreaker title

[crisp oak]

[vernal trench]

Ngl i get better luck soemtimes in party finder than here

[austere pine]

just have to clutch up with some pre-built thing i have that fits best

sucks when there's 3 missing spots because people run fury, shriek and inviis

[vernal trench]

Wdym

[wanton dawn]

We have different definition of cheese ig

[tall torrent]

Those are all fine abilities in havoc

[crisp oak]

I don't have any luck with party finder tbh

[tame lodge]

I had to start playing Ilas
Gotta say, I love 'em

[austere pine]

when the people using them are using them in the way havoc requires

[vernal trench]

Well killing bosses through doors and doing everything u can is pretty cheesey to me

[austere pine]

not when they're auric damn brained

[crisp oak]

last party finder I did was a rank 9 with a level 500 who didnt have a melee as an oggy

[vernal trench]

Infiltrate literally carries idk how anyone says its bad

[austere pine]

i feel ya

[crisp oak]

last 40 I did I used infiltrate

[vernal trench]

Like u either suck and need golden toughness to even survive or u die and i pick u up with infiltrate

[austere pine]

waging your own skill against 4 teammates with golden toughness

[crisp oak]

but I also had archivum sycorax

[austere pine]

if you're good and they aren't downright terrible, it's clutch

[wanton dawn]

Killing boss through door my be "exploit", but gold thoughness stacking is like, meta ?

[vernal trench]

If u need golden toughness to survive its not my issue imo

[austere pine]

it literally is

every team is only as strong as its weakest link

[crisp oak]

for true survivor it is your issue btw

[vernal trench]

Im not doing true survivor every game

[crisp oak]

true true

[wanton dawn]

What the argument btw ?

[vernal trench]

Thats just stupid cux theyll go down anyway even with shout😂

[vernal trench]

i dont even know

[austere pine]

that dsword is a crutch for many people

[vernal trench]

For sure is tho

[austere pine]

and that chonky over here considers people playing in normal and meta ways to be cheese

[crisp oak]

bubble is nice

[vernal trench]

Killing bosses through doors isnt cheesing

[austere pine]

i love bubble dude

[vernal trench]

I like bubble

[wanton dawn]

Figure

[wanton dawn]

Figure

[crisp oak]

I also like shout for the stagger

[vernal trench]

As long as u dont force ur teamates to bring what u want to compensate for ur weakness

Just run whatever and play the game

[crisp oak]

there is one build I will question in my 40 (as in me as host)

and thats gungryn

[vernal trench]

Lmfao i played with one

It was funny as hell

We lost but it was funny

[crisp oak]

it is funny, but ammo man

[vernal trench]

lmfao he was actually gunning

He only shoot

No melee

[broken spade]

generally i just don't comment on anyone's build for the first attempt
let them have their chance

[vernal trench]

I mean if a gungryn csn carry who am i to judge

Just havent seen anyone actually play it seriously so far

[crisp oak]

this is true, just makes me question

if I see it

[vernal trench]

Its just like its either hes actually good or hes trolling

[austere pine]

in my experience, seeing a bad build usually also means the person isn't great

[crisp oak]

pmuch

[wanton dawn]

I dont comment build. I just expect them to "pull their weight"

[vernal trench]

Had an infiltrate vet that died so many times he quit the game earlier

[crisp oak]

oof

I'm probably dropping my 40

[vernal trench]

What happened

[crisp oak]

don't feel like tryharding this week and don't have sycorax

[vernal trench]

ill do it with u

[broken spade]

I just let people play their shitty meme builds. I don't mind losing one

[crisp oak]

my last 40 was a cheese run

[crisp oak]

nah sick as hell and playing like shit

[vernal trench]

i got chasm logistratum

[crisp oak]

[vernal trench]

If my stompt is on later well carry u

[crisp oak]

but yeah don't need the diamantine anymore so don't give a crap

[broken spade]

after the loss, i might mention to the benediction zealot that got fully corrupted by blighted that "maybe corruption heal aura could be useful here"

[vernal trench]

but the 20 weekly insignia

[crisp oak]

have a lower one done already

[vernal trench]

[broken spade]

i also just like seeing a shitfest play out

[crisp oak]

probably get back to 40 next week lmao

[vernal trench]

fairs

I just keep doing it for fun

[wanton dawn]

Only did 25 havoc assist thus far

[vernal trench]

Idc much about weeklies

[tiny junco]

Havoc40'd with this today. Carried. 🙂

[vernal trench]

Thats cursed

[tiny junco]

You welcome.

[crisp oak]

worst game I had was one of the auric heresies

[dry cloak]

Why does this look like smg from gtfo

[vernal trench]

Oh my god thats so cursed

[crisp oak]

with 2 players with no push button

[tiny junco]

You welcome. @vernal trench

[vernal trench]

[tiny junco]

Y'know I never saw that!

[tame lodge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/BUjmn4sWM44?si=SqIDuM_LZLmybHEe

[crisp oak]

why do you not have the pistol grip stock?

5/10 not cursed enough

[vernal trench]

Lmfao

[tiny junco]

yewotm8

[vernal trench]

Playing in auric is like

Seeing a level 1000 die in 2 minutes and rage quit

[tiny junco]

MAN I DON'T WANT THE PISTOL GRIP STOCK I LOVE MY SHOTGUNESQUE GRIP STOCK

[crisp oak]

oh you werent trying to make it cursed

[vernal trench]

[tiny junco]

no but I wanted to make it what i liked

[wanton dawn]

Even worse

[tiny junco]

:)

[crisp oak]

when I ran the weapon customization mod, I ran the oggy shovel handle on my knife

[vernal trench]

Lmao its still cursed

[austere pine]

i have no clue what this is but props

[vernal trench]

Thats just wrong

[crisp oak]

it was

you coulnd't see

like at all

[vernal trench]

Thats just

Idk anymore

[tiny junco]

that's just funny

[crisp oak]

it was really funny though

even funnier is I didnt add it

it came that way from brunt

[vernal trench]

Lmfao

[crisp oak]

had like first target as dump too

brunt's masterpiece

[tiny junco]

i can just imagine running an auric and all i hear from our zealot

"I CAN'T FUCKING SEE I PUT THE OGRYN HANDLE ON THE FUCKING MALLET, I CAN'T SEE AUUUUUUUUUUUUGH"

and then someone being like "i think he's going schizomode"

[crisp oak]

worse, a vet

[tiny junco]

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-laugh-gif-14359545

[crisp oak]

also had a ripper lasgun

that was a blast

[supple laurel]

cod ahh lookin gun

[tame lodge]

The lasbison

[supple laurel]

removing the barrel increases ADS speed

🔥

add a sniper scope to 360 quickscope those heretics 🗣️

[tawny badger]

this looks vaguely like a vector and it saddens me that it's a goddamn helbore

[faint beacon]

Should post my VA in here sometime

Love how I made that gun look

[umbral grove]

Wonder if we'll ever see that mod actually added into the game

[quartz nymph]

What gun would yall recommend for an exe stance build? Just whatever I feel comfy with?

Or something with strong single target?

[barren nimbus]

the braced autogun is pretty insane with it

and on the flipside its dog shit without it

[quartz nymph]

I don't think I've ever used it. I'm going to have to check it out

[barren nimbus]

you just hipfire things and stance gives it a lot of range and damage

[hollow ibex]

They're meh without it and meh with it

[barren nimbus]

braced autogun is really good in auric maelstrom level difficulty

other things are better but the meta weapons are boring as fuck

[wanton dawn]

Braced auto, inf auto, bolter

[calm shard]

braced auto

exe stance

wuh

oh wait it reduces spread duh

[barren nimbus]

the plasma gun genuinely has to be the most unfun weapon in the game

automatic weapons would be a lot more enjoyable if the performance was better in higher difficulties, I get like 60fps during hordes

[calm shard]

that's why you should use its cooler and maybe more fun cousin the helbore

[tame lodge]

And gives more impact on an impactful weapon

[reef portal]

What are the best melee weapons for dealing with hordes on vet?

[hollow ibex]

Rashad

[calm shard]

power sword and rashad combat axe

[calm shard]

I ain't here to push heretics around I'm here to murder them

[tame lodge]

Rashad
Power Sword
Chainsword but they are not the safest against melee elites

[quartz nymph]

I'll give all 3 a try. I just got inf auto to 20 last night

[wanton dawn]

Haven't been convinced too much by brauto lately. Vrak infantry autogun and bolter can be both used with a mf exe stance build

Very ammo hungry, but very satisfying gameloop

For brauto, the agripinaa is probably the better variant. I used to have an exe stance WS build. Kind of wild, but suprisingly efficient

Stolen from a player here to be exact

Dragonlily if my memory serves me right

[quartz nymph]

Oh marksmans focus

I thought you were saying "a motheruckin' exe stance build"

Lol

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, thats what exe does to a mf

I also have an appreciation for bad puns

[quartz nymph]

I think i was using the agripinaa the most last night

For infantry autogun

[hearty panther]

oh yea dragonlily

wonder where they at

and if they still recon las lul

i think we were like, one of three entire whole users of the recons even before the talent trees dropped and they were preeeeetty not good

i sort of miss when they had reverse damage fall off

[calm shard]

vraks ain't ammo hungry with MF

it one shot headshots everything

click heads like it's an infantry lasgun

hose down maulers and crushers

[raw needle]

i like playing brauto until i have to hit a target further than 20m

so for like about the first five minutes of a match

[wanton dawn]

If you ain't ammo hungry you are not doing big dmg

[tawny badger]

anything with a fast-ish reload time if you ask me
my personal fave is the recon lasgun

not saying that the boltgun is a bad choice for exe tho cuz I see ppl using the two to vaporize bosses

[quartz nymph]

I'm not sure if I want to use the spearhead. I've got a lot of hours with it and want to branch out and try other guns

[proven garden]

Is the fastest way to get dockets doing auric maelstroms

[broken spade]

i wonder if rushing through rolling steel would be better

[umbral scaffold]

Any general tips for overall survivability for a new lvl 30?

Been using the Recon Lasgun, trying to have it to where my weapon/curio perks provide decent health/toughess contingencies. I opted for the Weapons Specialist Keystone… long story short I’m getting bodied left and right despite my efforts for a synergistic build.

[inland orchid]

keep your ears peeled for the backstab sound cue, can be a lifesaver if u arent spaming dodge for mobility purposes

for builds i just rock something that makes the vet's grenades regen/impact more

[vernal trench]

Shout gives golden toughness

[calm shard]

weapon specialist is kinda bad on recon las

weapon already crits all the damn time especially if you're using reciprocity

if you're using WS for the melee benefits though that's fine

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d799ecb-e636-48b3-b088-df38d767c119/recon-lasgun-jeficus

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[hollow ibex]

Starting from the top it didn't look that bad

[wanton dawn]

It is certainly a recon build

[hollow ibex]

It's mostly bottom right that offend me

[orchid hemlock]

truly a genius of our time

[hollow ibex]

And that too

[wanton dawn]

At least DS or combat knife provide the horde clear. According to description

Man I am too tired rn to deal with this

Am gonna play inspect random ppl in mourningstar

[sleek garden]

what weapons do you use other than recon lasgun? All i can really say is aim for the head with it

[sleek garden]

this is always a nightmare

so many level 30s with just ridiculous stuff

[wanton dawn]

Guess the loadout

Braced autogun with speedload

[sleek garden]

i mean

that seems about right for an autogun

right skil tree

[orchid hemlock]

i think the biggest cope comes from the video: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5gWalh1NSuI

LOOK HOW FAST IM KILLING EVERYTHING

[calm shard]

SKIRMISHER

[orchid hemlock]

crusher just staring at him

[thorn lark]

Reloadmaxing

[wanton dawn]

This one is "almost" meta

agri inf and combat axe. Still a little purple guy

I like him

[sleek garden]

stacking reload stuff is funny though

[thorn lark]

I agree

[sleek garden]

marksmans focus stacks count as well

[wanton dawn]

Beware, this one is an h40 !

[terse idol]

Don't take deadshot, WS isn't a good weapon for recon
If you want to get goofy with the recon as just do keystoneless

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent u need to make a YouTube channel so these guys can stop grifting

Make like a Cadian vtuber channel or something

[thorn lark]

I don't see a problem tbh

Ok it could be better

[calm shard]

surely not a recon lasgun build

it doesn't have onslaught there's no way

[wanton dawn]

It is a recon/ds build, with 3 17% thoughness and 2 5% crit perk

[calm shard]

recon las build

with no onslaught

okay

[orchid hemlock]

Onslaught is a bait talent, change my mind

[wanton dawn]

Okay this one win. It is the last i promise

I don't even need to see the loadout

[thorn lark]

Onslaught is costly tbh

[proven garden]

Whsts onslaught

[orchid hemlock]

Onslaught

Deez

[terse idol]

If you're maining recon

[orchid hemlock]

😔

[wanton dawn]

The talent ppl pick when they want to convince themselves they can shoot crusher

[terse idol]

As your main weapon imo you take. It

[proven garden]

Ok but what does it do

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-admiral-ackbar-its-a-trap-meme-gif-8125029

[orchid hemlock]

It makes them fragile

Like a little bean

[thorn lark]

40 % brittleness

[hollow ibex]

Applies brittleness on hit

[proven garden]

Is that a blessing or a talent

[thorn lark]

Talent

[proven garden]

Oh that’s sick

[orchid hemlock]

nah its bait

[hollow ibex]

It sucks

[orchid hemlock]

like deadshot

[proven garden]

Sounds like it’s probably better on full auto weapons than stuff ljke hellbore

[terse idol]

It ain't bait

Ah me as I have a

Moment

[wanton dawn]

You need like, 6-7 shot to break even with rending strike

[terse idol]

Recon is pretty good at nearly everything

[wanton dawn]

it is not good either

[hollow ibex]

Only usable on two guns

[terse idol]

Yes something that recon can do instantly

Atleast

[hollow ibex]

Questionable still

[terse idol]

The fastest firing version

[wanton dawn]

Pretty sure you kill most stuff in less

[terse idol]

Recon at least as far as I've played does nearly everything

Why not also enable it.... to sometimes kill crushers if you need it

[proven garden]

Is that the full auto laser gun

[terse idol]

Like MF isn't that useful considering how fast you're killing everything with your dumdum infernus recon

I'm just keystoneless recon pilled

[thorn lark]

Well you can already do it with rending infernus et dumdum

[hollow ibex]

Yes

[proven garden]

Alright

[wanton dawn]

Am not commenting on recon. I don't play it nor like it

[terse idol]

Oh

Wack

[proven garden]

I was told that was one of the main havoc weapons for vet

[terse idol]

Onslaught is very good for recon

[proven garden]

Don’t remember the others

[terse idol]

Suffice it to say

[hollow ibex]

Meh

[wanton dawn]

plasma

[proven garden]

Something about being very ammo efficient but it feels kinda bootycheeks in damage so idk how it’s gonna do against a group of pus hardened gunners

[thorn lark]

I used bolter

[proven garden]

How do you even take that into havoc without running out of ammo

Isn’t survivalist only 1% on a cooldown

[thorn lark]

Infernus doesn't care about pus hardened

[umbral scaffold]

I just got to max level with the Recon Las, along with Chain Sword...only weapons I've been using atm. Just got to lvl 30 yesterday (first character). I feel as though this game only begins at 30 as I'm still pretty lost in the sauce on not being a hard carry teammate. I've been trying to compensate by playing smart, not taking pointless risks and the like. With all that said, I tried my first 5-tier difficulty (don't know all the names yet, apologies) and I'm just getting bitch slapped.

[hollow ibex]

You rely on DOTs

Aka infernus

[proven garden]

Yea well vet doesn’t have infernus do they

[hollow ibex]

Las weapons get it

[proven garden]

Wait

[thorn lark]

Recon has infernus

[proven garden]

Did I just mix up the blessing with the staff

[hollow ibex]

It's a blessing

[proven garden]

Wallahi I’m finished

[wanton dawn]

I don't know why ppl keep telling me that plasma has bad ammo eco. Compared to lasgun ? Yeah sure

[thorn lark]

Bro. It's normal

You just hit 30

[wanton dawn]

Easy when you have a dedicated ammo talent for a class of weapon that barely benefit from MF

[terse idol]

Just gotta keep trying

[proven garden]

What is mf

[quartz nymph]

Motherfucker

[wanton dawn]

marksman focus. Or moth...

[thorn lark]

Marksman ficus

[proven garden]

Oh ok

[terse idol]

Oh helbore

On havoc

[sleek garden]

take frags, focus on gunning down specialists and non mauler/crusher elites

that's what I do

always aim for the head when you can

try not to let enmies get close

[orchid hemlock]

ok time to end the recon debate:

With Onslaught: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/funny-laser-pointer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Without Onslaught: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c39a0c4-39ed-417d-bb6d-838991d8fb09/femboy-vet?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[sleek garden]

don't forget to use your nades

what special ability are you taking

[sleek garden]

want to play with me

[loud belfry]

femboy vet yo...

[sleek garden]

i can try and see what you do wrong but most of the time it's simply getting hit

if you get hit a lot you die

dodge a lot

[orchid hemlock]

mods gonna ban me for """"""""""""""fetishizing""""""""""""""""" men 😔

[umbral scaffold]

Absolutely. I'm working ATM, I can send a ping if you're on tonight, generally play around 9pm EST.

[dire olive]

https://tenor.com/view/boykisser-gif-7099278856497118059

[quartz nymph]

That femboy build seems pretty decent

[maiden crown]

What mark of the power sword is everyone using?

And what blessings

[quartz nymph]

6

Probably bromentum and power cycler

[proven garden]

The one that gives more powered attacks and brutal momentum

[wanton dawn]

I should have known

[quartz nymph]

Why is there no description for the femboy build?

[orchid hemlock]

no

[maiden crown]

Why the mark 6 instead of the mark 3?

[wanton dawn]

Why the mark 3 instead of the mark 6 ?

[orchid hemlock]

why the mark 12 instead of mark 14

[hollow ibex]

Because mark 3 is ass

[maiden crown]

Now we’re thinking big brain thoughts

[maiden crown]

In what way?

[hollow ibex]

And not the fun type of ass

[quartz nymph]

6 gets you that push attack followup right?

[maiden crown]

I just used it on a mission and it felt pretty decent

[hollow ibex]

Heavies for horde clear when you want lights

No innate block bonus

[runic jackal]

All this meta this and meta that, just run at them with a shovel

ez pz

[hollow ibex]

No stupidly powerful single target combo

The only so called advantage is being able to run and charge

But you should be block canceling anyway

So it's not even an advantage when playing it correctly

[maiden crown]

So basically the 6 has better single target capability

[quartz nymph]

6 has a really good special activation > push attack > followup that does a ton of single target damage

[maiden crown]

So I would use the push then follow in with an attack?

[quartz nymph]

Yeah the follow up is a head bonker

Good for single target

[maiden crown]

Like the pickaxe on Ogryn

You can do the pull into an overhead

[quartz nymph]

Yeah pickaxe head bonks

[hollow ibex]

And horde clear

[hollow ibex]

No it's push attack

One action. Different from oggy pick

[quartz nymph]

^

[maiden crown]

I’ll have to go try and figure it out I guess

[hollow ibex]

It's basically a push but you hold down lmb and a push attack comes out

Instead of the push

[quartz nymph]

Like if you push and hold the button it does a face stab. The follow up attack is a head bonker

[proven garden]

The vet guide in the pins has a horde and single target combo for every weapon

Give that a read when you have time

It’s kinda fucked up on mobile though so read it on pc if you can

[quartz nymph]

Yeah it's a bit messy on mobile

[hollow ibex]

Yeah you need PDF on mobile

[loud belfry]

pdf files......

[maiden crown]

I just went to the pyskhanium, figured it out

[calm shard]

corpse

granted I am using power sword and could just 2 tap them but like

gun fun

[hollow ibex]

Problem is it costs at least two talent points to get there

[orchid hemlock]

what am i looking at?

[hollow ibex]

It's a waste of ammo

[calm shard]

vraks IAG killing a crusher in about 2 seconds

little over 1 second with damage boosts active

[hollow ibex]

And its solving for a problem that can be dealt with more efficiently in melee or kraks

[calm shard]

if you're using kraks you aren't using shredders

and this would be faster than kraks anyways

[quartz nymph]

For the Rashad caxe. The horde clear combo is pa>l1>l2>l3 does it loop back to pa or do you just keep looping l1>l2>l3

[calm shard]

also only melee with 2 weapons

[hollow ibex]

Nah

Especially when krak often kills multiple

And if you don't have krak you still have your melee

[proven garden]

what should i be aiming at if i want to get the krak penance asap

rn i just been throwing it at ogyrns and bosses because thats what i seen everyonbe else do

[quartz nymph]

I just found out last night you can hit any armored unit

[proven garden]

what did it stick to again

carapace and unyielding and i think one more

[quartz nymph]

It sticks to cara iirc

But the explosions kills count for any armor

[hollow ibex]

Flak too

[proven garden]

nah it sticks to unyielding too i know that much

flak?

bet

[orchid hemlock]

incredible, for 3 talent points i can now magdump crushers

I have been convinced

[hollow ibex]

Toss it at anything with armor

[proven garden]

got it

if i somehow fuck up and bean a bruiser in the head instead of the body its just bouncing off right

[terse idol]

Throw it at scab stalkers

Iirc scab regular gunners should work too

[calm shard]

yeah with a gun that kills them lightning fast, at a distance, and doesn't have to worry about the crowd getting in the way

works on recon las too

[proven garden]

dont remember basic enemy names

whats the stalker

[calm shard]

and improves damage against all other armor types as well

[hollow ibex]

It should just get drawn to the nearest armor plate

[calm shard]

crushers are just the biggest example

[orchid hemlock]

"lightning fast"

[hollow ibex]

It prioritizes the big guys

[calm shard]

okay look dude you're killing a crusher in just over 1 second

that's only marginally slower than psword and dsword killing them

[orchid hemlock]

u know what else kills crushers fast?

my PS

[terse idol]

Imo it's better on recon because of infernus

[calm shard]

obv

but it's good on vraks too

[orchid hemlock]

Tanner alt located

i knew it all along 😔

[calm shard]

if you've got a problem with that you should take it up with @tall torrent

[orchid hemlock]

i mean he was the one who originally said onslaught is bait

like yeah you can put it on the vraks but it is only because it and the XII are the only 2 guns in the game that can proc it fast enough to be viable

those are not always required either

[hollow ibex]

Even path recommends against it but the section doesn't have much room for nuance

[terse idol]

The onslaught for mk5

😌

[orchid hemlock]

like Im sorry but I ussually wont take 3 talent points to help me kill 5% of the enemies in the game

im good

[terse idol]

Path can say it's bait but it's certainly why it's only on a few weapons in the guide

Bait for most weapooons

[hollow ibex]

It's bait even for the three weapons it can be realistically used with

[orchid hemlock]

onslaught + shattering on boltgun = 80% brittle

[terse idol]

What no?

Like man

Damn i wish I knew the numbies

Like this is why keystoneless reconlas is like pretty good

[orchid hemlock]

onslaught only helps deal more damage to crushers and bosses

that's it

[terse idol]

Yeah

And considering the recon las already kills every else very fast

Its nice

[orchid hemlock]

if you put your points elsewhere u do more damage to everything else in the game

[terse idol]

For completing its entire kit

The recon las has incredible damage already doe right?

And in the case of keystonless recon las

[hollow ibex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1324176450038927360/Screenshot_2025-01-01_194419.png?ex=679239ab&is=6790e82b&hm=6b1b732515215779e8dd387a658763b6f36fc1f1f9a6b12900f97ad2f65ebdc9&

[terse idol]

You're literally doing alot of damage to literally everything already

[orchid hemlock]

ok, so now I have confirmed that onsalught is also a coping talent

[hollow ibex]

Here

[terse idol]

Okay?

My point still stands

[hollow ibex]

Nah it's bait

[orchid hemlock]

like I said u shouldnt be magdumping bosses/crushers in the first place

[terse idol]

I'm using it with the guide

[orchid hemlock]

like stop coping

[calm shard]

I mean recon las has so much goddamn ammo you might as well, and vraks does it so fucking fast why not right

[terse idol]

And a keystoneless recon

[calm shard]

especially if you're not using psword or dsword

[hollow ibex]

Onslaught doesn't even help much against bosses lol

[terse idol]

How is it bait

When the guides literally told me

[orchid hemlock]

I can see the value in melee specialist malestroms because you have to deal with hordes of crushers

[terse idol]

In these two instances it's good to help you mag dump crushers

[hollow ibex]

@terse idol this IS the guide lol

[terse idol]

Like you took a screen shot

Of my example of what case I'm using it for

[hollow ibex]

It's paths screenshot

[terse idol]

Okay

[hollow ibex]

And he explains why it's bad

[terse idol]

I'm still using it in the context of the two weapons

[orchid hemlock]

?????

[terse idol]

That path recommends it on

[hollow ibex]

This part applies

[orchid hemlock]

he is talking about those 2 weapons

[hollow ibex]

Regardless of what weapon you take

[terse idol]

I know it's not worth it the majority of the time

But rn

[calm shard]

https://imgur.com/a/P2DgaVv damage buffs are TP (5 stacks) and BiD

[terse idol]

The recon 7

Is a meta weapon

[hollow ibex]

And that part is modified by his final statement on the subject

[terse idol]

I've made a built specifically for the kit

[calm shard]

Vraks 5 with a few easily applied passive damage boosts narrowly kills faster than a krak provided the krak hits at the same time the vraks starts shooting

[hollow ibex]

Which is too much cost

[terse idol]

Its not too much cost

If I've literall

[hollow ibex]

Well tell that to path lol

[terse idol]

Built my build around keystoneless recon

[hollow ibex]

Cuz he disagrees

[orchid hemlock]

yall seem to like putting words into Path's mouth, so ask him yourself: @tall torrent

there, talk to him about it

[terse idol]

I mean you're not looking at the "for the emperor guide" with the recommendation to use onslaught

[orchid hemlock]

im out 🚶🏻‍♂️

[terse idol]

Why are you arguing with me with what paths even suggested in the guide?

For that specific

Recon

Mark

Yes the steam guide has more context

But it still is recommended for the two weapons

Its vaguely viable on

[hollow ibex]

I'm looking at the guide path is working on to replace his prior guide

[terse idol]

I frankly thought both guides were useable

[quartz nymph]

There's a steam guide?

[terse idol]

And even in the steam guide it

Still suggests

Those two weapons

If I'm building specifically

For no keystone recon

[hollow ibex]

It's not a recommedation. Quite the opposite

[terse idol]

I don't have any other talent points

To spend

Because I'm not going

A keystone

[hollow ibex]

It's in progress. Not out yet.

[terse idol]

What do you think I'm doing

When i take onslaught

[calm shard]

it is a little sad that despite being multiple dmage instances chain weapon attacks only count as one hit

[terse idol]

With what the guides saying

[hollow ibex]

Yeah and why do you keep cropping out his final conclusion that modifies all his prior statements lmao

[terse idol]

I mean that it's a long point

And not really worth it