veteran-class

[normal sparrow]

Skips the stuck animation

[hybrid plover]

I wanna add that there's a significantly higher chance of that person just going down again with that version of shout, especially with flamers and bombers being involved.

It is a trap.

A ruse.

[proven garden]

which version of the hellbore is considered the best

[tall torrent]

All 3 are ok

They’re fairly balanced between each other

[proven garden]

oh bet how would you describe the 3

[tall torrent]

Most people tend to gravitate towards IV or V

[tall torrent]

IIIa is the medium variant
IV has highest damage but shoots slowest
V shoots faster but deals less damage

[proven garden]

so for sniping i would choose iv?

[tall torrent]

all 3 are geared towards sniping

do u want a medium sniper, a fast sniper or a slow sniper

[proven garden]

fast sounds the best

im assuming its gonna either give up some one shots or be weaker against bosses/carapace?

[tall torrent]

harder to get crit 1hs flamers

that's the main loss

compared to IIIa

[proven garden]

Ah that’s unfortunate

Without crit would it take like 3 to the head?

[tall torrent]

2

or bayonet 1 stab

IV can 1hs them with just +maniac perk

without crit

[proven garden]

That’s the slow one?

[tall torrent]

.

[proven garden]

Iv it is then thanks

[terse idol]

okay to be faiiir

AHH

You still gotta make sure you're reviving safetly

Too many kruber myself included will shout rez

While CK's and rot helms are over heading your buddy

😌

[faint beacon]

@cedar dagger You want to see who you replaced? lmao

[cedar dagger]

Yes

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jwCgdNvY0Gb4INUht?invite=cr-MSw4dTcsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

[cedar dagger]

LMFAO

[faint beacon]

they IMMEDIATELY left after that

[cedar dagger]

I am loving the assault chainsword btw

[faint beacon]

Like they were the only one who dared kept up with me rushing ahead that match and they kept overloading lmao

[cedar dagger]

Typical pubby psyker gameplay

[vernal trench]

13 revives 7 rescues wtf

[trim steppe]

Good lord, and 56 minutes long

[tough tiger]

Gloriana moment

One big filter of a map

[trim steppe]

The hardest map for real

[vernal trench]

psyker kept dying lfmao

[loud belfry]

bro should probably hang up his name

[remote sonnet]

I got a 5min monstrosity modifier on Gloriana earlier today... 3 bosses at once in the first section, we got beaten so hard that we just laughed at it.

H35-40 and Auric monstrosity are the 2 hardest stuff in this game.

[hollow ibex]

at this point i just refuse to play gloriana with pubs

[grand perch]

a guide how to best complete the first event on gloriana should be a mandatory watch. i even see people rushing to the button and immediately starting before clearing the area on havoc 40

thats just asking for the loss

[gentle yoke]

I got the on overwatch penance even though I got hit?

Not gonna complain

[crisp oak]

overwatch means no hp damage

toughness damage is ok

[gentle yoke]

Oh that makes sense

Just did a lot of yelling

[wanton dawn]

If its easy its not worth it

[gentle yoke]

The ability I mean

[stoic thorn]

Can't go without a day of blasting Imperial Advance into my ears

[dry cloak]

It van be cheesed on thtain mission

[weak cape]

Working on a new recon vet build. What's better Headhunter + Infernus or Headhunter + Dumdum?

[tame lodge]

Dumdum
Always

[weak cape]

That's what I was thinking since I run it on my autogun too, but I see so many people using infernus and I am using a crit build with onslaught. It seems like the main drawback is that it maxes out at 12 stacks which is like nothing.

[gentle yoke]

I didn’t get the make every shot count with shotgun?

Should I try something other than double barrel?

[sleek garden]

revolver

if you miss with revolver i dont know what to tell you

its pretty hard to miss

[gentle yoke]

That sucks

[hollow ibex]

that's prob the easiest option

[proven garden]

How do you all like the hellbore

[trim steppe]

I do not

I know its good but I hate it

[proven garden]

Charge weapons do not feel up my lane

I might just buy the mastery instead of playing lmao

[trim steppe]

That is 100% what I did lol do not blame you one bit

[tame lodge]

"One shot, one kill"

[proven garden]

And the shovel

Why does the vet bend it over only to hit with the other side

Why would you do that

[tame lodge]

Oh yeah you should definitely attack with the small fragile hinge part
Pierces through carapace like nothing

[proven garden]

I HATE RHE SHOVEL

I DONT WANNA USE THIS ANYMKRE

NO

[gentle yoke]

The bent shovel does crazy damage. One shot maulers easy

And the big armored ogryns

[proven garden]

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-wegeekinghard-blud-tiktok-animatronic-tweaking-gif-18331326635054461479

[proven garden]

Have you seen it on ogyrn

The part where they actually remember to hit the enemy with the pointy side

[gentle yoke]

No I use the shield on my ogryn

[proven garden]

That’s what vet is missing vet is literally holding it in the wrong direction I hate this

Looks like vet is trying to smack them with the stick part of the shovel I’m gonna lose my mind

[thick needle]

Y'all think this is a good chainsword for a WS build

[dry cloak]

Most if not all melee weapons work well with weapon specialist

Drop crit chance for carapace or maniac damage

And devastating strike to wrath

[warm walrus]

okay this is gonna be stupid as hell to ask but

when do you whip your gun out

more specifically the kantrael 7 on my end

[dry cloak]

Yes

What about it

[warm walrus]

I'm used to pulling out a bolter for carapace stuff

Been a while since I used the other guns

[dry cloak]

Yeah you got used to only uaong bolter

This is a force or
F habit for you

[warm walrus]

Yeah

Plasma too on that end I usually whip either out for big enemies so readjusting to lasgun's taking a sec

[dry cloak]

I never used plasma

I have got kraks for carapace

[warm walrus]

That is true yeah

[dry cloak]

And most time i use and axe as melee so armor is not a problem

[rustic beacon]

Depends a bit on the guns:

• specials, ragers and ranged gunners for almost all of them
• autoguns can also spray into hordes if you get overwhelmed
• revolver/plasma can also shoot armored elites if required
  and so on and so forth

[dry cloak]

And being a ogryn main i have pick to use

[warm walrus]

Gotcha, thanks! I'm sticking to the kantrael 7 for now but I'm contemplating an autogun as well. Vet gets brauto right?

[rustic beacon]

He does

[warm walrus]

Gotcha

[frail citrus]

Just wanted to say thanks for tips yesterday. Got true survivor today because of them

[tall torrent]

[lost sun]

man i bought the 1 mill ordo docket killshot skin, the hole in my soul

1 mill ordo

it does look nice with my power sword and my plasma gun tho

[proven garden]

Does any of the hellbore marks have a sight or do I just have to cope with iron sights

Heard the attachment mod was unstable

[dry cloak]

This is a relic when the game would have attachment system

[proven garden]

Allah

[raw needle]

It got updated

[grand perch]

Weapon customisation mod works fine

[proven garden]

Sounds good

[grand perch]

I get comments all the time where the sight on helbore comes from

[proven garden]

What sight do you put on it

[raw needle]

laspistol or infantry lasgun are good

[pseudo fiber]

They're good

[grand perch]

I use the holo

[dry cloak]

I stopped using the helbore. I love this weapon but its just nor thath good anymore

[stoic thorn]

Me watching as crusher overhead as soon as I get up:

[frank ledge]

Graduate to shotgun (special single shot)

[dry cloak]

I love agrip shottie

[dapper plank]

is competitive urge noob-bait or is it constantly up when it matters?

[dry cloak]

And rippers. Rippers are love rippers are life

[grand perch]

Too inconsistent uptime, and sharing a spot in the tree with A tier Bring it down and sometimes great rending strikes does make competitive urge a never pick for me

[proven garden]

Does vet usually go without a keystone

[dry cloak]

No but he can

[proven garden]

Alright

[dry cloak]

Ussually you want either focus target or weapon specialist

[wanton dawn]

Its a recon special

[unreal nova]

Onslaught no keystone special.

[stoic thorn]

Armourbane is taking so fucking long

[dry cloak]

Havoc moebian 21th

[latent parcel]

Ds plasma no keystone special

Don't hate it until you hit more overkill then damage!

[light ridge]

Vet keystones are much less impactful or class defining than for the other classes
Vet can easily create viable and powerful builds for e.g. Recon or Grenades without taking any of the keystones

Especially for Recon the Keystones Focus Target and Marksmanship are rather nice to haves instead of defining

[wanton dawn]

The one with grenade box and heal that regen corruption ?

[latent parcel]

I actually don't remember if I have that on there or not

[wanton dawn]

Btw, havoc nerf grenade on box too

[unreal nova]

Isn't it still min 1?

[latent parcel]

I never use that loadout anymore

[wanton dawn]

Ppl hate lacerate here

[grand perch]

For good reason

[unreal nova]

Flesh Tearer if you must. If you have points, you can just go for the talent that add +1 bleed on melee hit or so.

Then get Mercykiller or something.

[pseudo fiber]

Mercy killer uncanny

[unreal nova]

Ah, Serrated Blade.

[latent parcel]

HA i do have it

i dont even remember puting a point in that

[unreal nova]

Still gud. Only bad selfish vets don't have it. Only bad if idiot picks up grims.

[latent parcel]

i usually dont take it

[unreal nova]

Also, what is wrong with my phone autocorrect today.

[latent parcel]

i selfish

[wanton dawn]

Its taken over mark

Mark is selfish now ?

[pseudo fiber]

There are 2 ammo crates and 5000000 enemies I can trigger demo team off im picking demo

[dry cloak]

If you want to pick up grims ask first

[unreal nova]

Crate not for you, for teammate, obviously.

Also, 9 nuke oggy fun to watch.

[unreal nova]

Most randoms never ask. They just either let others die or they die with it.

[latent parcel]

ok i picked up focus target again

thats hilarious i had that on there

[pseudo fiber]

More a meme but I see your point

[dry cloak]

When i play on coms people always ask

[pseudo fiber]

Either way field improvisations don't really find much use in high havoc which surprised me

[wanton dawn]

I though you played a ws build

[latent parcel]

Most of my builds are all ws

[wanton dawn]

Never though you were keystoneless

[latent parcel]

dont need ws with ds

[unreal nova]

Not here. You get pings at best.

[wanton dawn]

Especially with box talent

[latent parcel]

i need to remake my infiltrate build

[wanton dawn]

I know. But most build want bring it down so... mark is 1 point in that casr

[tame lodge]

None
But FT>>>Lace
Knife likes weakspots, lacerate doesn't
So you're stabbing yourself in the foot with lacerate

[unreal nova]

What is mark? No such button.

[wanton dawn]

Tag

[unreal nova]

Yes, on controller, if you press that, you getting smacked in the face.

[wanton dawn]

Sorry for your bad hardware

That's the 2nd time i get told mark is crap on console

[unreal nova]

It is.

[latent parcel]

🤣

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/pcmr-pc-master-race-winning-gif-1941545188268134429

[unreal nova]

It's actually hard to press unless you are netted or going to die anyway.

[latent parcel]

karien you play on controller?

[unreal nova]

Cos you don't need to worry about dodging or moving then.

[latent parcel]

rip

[wanton dawn]

Oh well. I get it

But i also have a strong opinion about fps on console

[unreal nova]

Also, trying to aim to ping ammo/stims is hard enough.

I just like stabbing things. Is more fun to stab things on controller.

And if i play with 3 others, they cover the long range shooties anyway.

Or I just need to do the grenade achievement Zealots have on vet.

[latent parcel]

idk i watched a psyker blow himself up 2 times in the first area of a havoc 40

[wanton dawn]

Not when i play with stompt they dont

[latent parcel]

hey man i try

your the one that picks the randoms. not me

[unreal nova]

Oh. More reasons to avoid then, I guess?

[wanton dawn]

Avoid what ? Stompt ?

[wanton dawn]

I just pick lvl 35+ cuz i hate waiting

[latent parcel]

its still alota fun. idc

[unreal nova]

Stomp poking for havoc at times or auric? I can't aim well enough and if he can't aim either... well.

Also, if you expect someone with 300 ping to snipe...

All I'll say is... you just want to be railed by the sniper.

[wanton dawn]

You are dissing him so hard rn

[latent parcel]

I just cant aim she right 😦

[unreal nova]

Well he does it to me all the time anyway.

_>

[latent parcel]

time to break out the controller

[unreal nova]

And it's no secret I'm not exactly good at this game.

Going from 9 ping to 300 is a mess at times as well.

[wanton dawn]

Am bad too dont worry

[latent parcel]

we all can be bad together

[dry cloak]

Dont worry be happy

[wanton dawn]

[unreal nova]

Melee DT, is all gud.

[rustic beacon]

True that. Especially cause I was forced to move it from L1 to the dpad to be able to use zealots throwing knife properly

[unreal nova]

For me it's because I preferred dodge on bumper. And yes, I have like, single digit knife kills for Zealot.

[latent parcel]

Why dont u just play zealot?

[unreal nova]

Why do you think the only class I play in Havoc is Zealot?

[latent parcel]

cuz zealot is easy mode!

[rustic beacon]

Really? On bumper? You are mad, I always rebind my buttons so I ideally have to never press my bumpers 😅

[latent parcel]

i honestly thought the psykers u played with just make u use book on zealot

i didnt know u had a choice

[unreal nova]

Wrong, it's because I can aura bot, panic to heck and somehow not die. antibs chorus button. Panic and still be kinda fine.\

[unreal nova]

Not really, I just know I'm not gonna do much at 260-380 ping.

[latent parcel]

😔

[unreal nova]

I can kite the boss if needed, but that's about it.

And with that much lag, you can and will sudden death on anything without until death.

I have died to nothing before.

No enemies near me on death screen.

Nothing shooting at me.

[latent parcel]

ya i already told you i wouldnt even play with ur lag

no point

i play with 150-170 ping and i hardly notice it but 300+ seems terrid

i wonder if ill be ok with no melee talents on a mk2 ds

[unreal nova]

Don't think it matters, if you get horded on that ping, you are dead.

Things die 0.5 secs after you kill them.

[latent parcel]

with 300+ ya i wouldnt even play

[unreal nova]

So you can't dodge through them.

[latent parcel]

no point if u cant get better at the game since u die to things out of ur control

[unreal nova]

Like I said, it's like really really heavy weights.

When you go back to low ping, you question why heresy is easy unless idiot teammates be idiot.

A.K.A. they barreled or shot a boomer next to you.

[rustic beacon]

I don‘t have experience with high ping in darktide, but I remember that in vermintide 2 (host based, no servers) a ping over 150ish would pretty much make the game unplayable. Can‘t even imagine how much worse your 300 are

[unreal nova]

Play it with 600+ ping. What is jump?

You literally jump 1 sec after you push A.

[rustic beacon]

Wth, how do you endure that?

[unreal nova]

Cos pugs are usually worse than playing with 3 others.

And back then, the underseas cabled were dooked.

So it kept pinging to HK and EU then back again to get to Australia.

Is why I'm sick of IB Bardin btw.

Is like playing Zealot, you know why.

[rustic beacon]

Yh that‘s perfectly understandable

[unreal nova]

Only thing I can really play above Champ, and they only play Cata.

So.

I get either Bardin or Sienna.

And Sienna is a REALLY bad idea with lag.

Since with everything on that big of a delay, you can kill yourself just doing things.

Also, Pugs doesn't mean you won't lag as well.

And you know VT2 lag compensation is worse than DT.

[rustic beacon]

I remember in the beginning I tried playing BH with american hosts but gave up on that quickly

[unreal nova]

And I'm usually forced to carry grims anyway.

Was fun, being put on a not die thing on crazy ping.

Well, on maps where you can grab one without insane platforming.

[rustic beacon]

Lmao, why would you give the grim to the person with insane ping

[unreal nova]

Because nobody wants to carry it.

But they still want it.

They only pick it up if the map basically require the jump button to really get it.

[latent parcel]

then leave it

[unreal nova]

I literally cannot jump as said.

Peer pressure.

[latent parcel]

🙄

[unreal nova]

You don't want to get insulted for not picking and thus ruining loot.

[latent parcel]

tell them to pick it up then

[unreal nova]

The IB picks it.

They say.

And remember how I said I have no dodge anyway because VT2 controller controls is bad and there's no accessiblity settings for it either?

You live and die on lag+block.

And yes, overheads scare me just as much as they do now.

Just, I can't dodge out of it in VT2.

And if I don't have stam to block there... well.

Cos I think you can block the overheads there, will just delete your stamina.

But that leaves you open to everything else now.

[latent parcel]

i just wouldnt grab it

but thats me

need new havoc maps

[unreal nova]

When you have no one else to play with...

You do anything to keep people around you.

[latent parcel]

that just makes me sad

[unreal nova]

Even deal with all the BS that comes with it.

[latent parcel]

well ur a trooper then i wouldnt put up with it

[unreal nova]

And I should mention, I was only comfortable with Champion even when playing alone.

So going straight Cata with 400-800 ping...

Yeah.

[latent parcel]

i never played cata

actually what was the top difficulty for vt2 when the game came out

[unreal nova]

Ppl say is now easier than Havoc40.

I think legend.

[latent parcel]

i only played like 150-200 hours of base game when it released

then never came back

[unreal nova]

About the same.

What I find fun don't work on cata.

Think inf ammo shortbow Keri.

Is really the recon memes but better/worse.

[latent parcel]

might be time for some darktide. need my 40 for the week

of course maff doing lame stuff again

[unreal nova]

Same, but waiting for Chaos to carry.

[latent parcel]

is chaos the carry bus?

[unreal nova]

I don't want to play with people who will complain about the no damage I do.

[latent parcel]

😔

chorus zealots usually dont do much anyway in terms of dps

[unreal nova]

More so when they run DS4 for Agile.

Because when you lag so much, the best thing you can do is spam dodge and swing at hedlvl.

And hope your team can make use of the free crits.

And as said, even multiple dodges can't save you from overheds when you lag.

Cos the timer to dodge it is wonkier.

[latent parcel]

😵‍💫

[unreal nova]

I get hit by muties if I don't dodge them at least a LP krak distance away.

The radius?

With low ping, you can still dodge right before they slam into you.

Is really why I don't play psyker with them. Worst class to play with 300 ping imo. Everything is a gamble, even edging.

I mean, i could, but I'll die more than on vet, that's for sure.

[grand perch]

i just saw you log out near hadron. youre being watched

[kind burrow]

All praise to the Omnissiah my siblings of service.

[idle dragon]

Praise the Omnissiah!

[unreal nova]

Only psykers use sibling, and service is vet related... but the whole thing sounds mechanicus related. Sus.

[kind burrow]

okay let me make this clearer then:

-# 01010000 01010010 01000001 01001001 01010011 01000101 00100000 01000010 01000101 00100000 01010100 01001111 00100000 01010100 01001000 01000101 00100000 01001111 01001101 01001110 01001001 01010011 01010011 01001001 01000001 01001000 01010011 00100000 01000010 01001100 01000101 01010011 01010011 01000101 01000100 00100000 01001101 01000001 01000011 01001000 01001001 01001110 01000001 01010100 01001001 01001111 01001110 01010011

[idle dragon]

We are nothing more than servators to the Humble and omnipresent Omnissiah

[kind burrow]

May we aspire to the purity of its logical harmony.

[idle dragon]

Blessed be!

[pseudo fiber]

I'd be careful criticising them there since I quite like having my weapons function

[unreal nova]

I don't understand beep boops.

[unreal nova]

I mean, the karking las guns manages to jam anyway.

[idle dragon]

You obviously need more purity seals on your gun

[hearty panther]

-27c ;_;

[queen fox]

New bolter just dropped

[unreal nova]

Live next to equator, you get to delete the -.

[warm bolt]

Check out this sniper bolter

[queen fox]

I'm still not sure why they went with drums for that

I never thought another gun would get drum mags as standard issue

Maybe the Chinese found a way to make them reliable or they just don't care idk

[kind burrow]

most likely the latter.

[sage adder]

My dumbass thought that was a Destiny fusion rifle for a moment

[queen fox]

It's got a video game name tho

It's called 'ssrs'

[sage adder]

No clue.

[queen fox]

It's a super serious rifle

[tranquil burrow]

best ranged weapon type to score headshot kills for weapon switcher keystone penance ?

[hearty panther]

probably bistol or revolver, they have the fattest projectile ray for headshots

has to be elites, right?

[tranquil burrow]

specialist/elite weakspot kills

[dry cloak]

this is a grenade launcher iirc

[hearty panther]

yea that or plasma gun

something that, when you shoot their heads, they die

[warm bolt]

Yeah, a sniper grenade launcher with effective distance of a kilometer

[queen fox]

1km really isn't that long for for a sniper tbh

I know what that rifle is for tho, would be great in any urban conflict

[warm bolt]

Mhm

[unreal nova]

BOOM?

[warm bolt]

DID SOMEONE CALL FOR A BOOM?

[tropic halo]

Yes General, kaboom

[queen fox]

The problem with that, tho, is that it weighs like 40lbs, it's a crew served weapon
Ssrs is a rifle that can be carried with its ammo by one soldier
So the Chinese made a heavy bolter and the Americans made a bolt rifle

Fr tho I think airburst guns for soldiers will become the default answer to drones

Every platoon will have a flak trooper soon

[unreal nova]

KABOOM!

[umbral grove]

Just came across some vet who was just sniping in a corner far away from the team for whatever reason

With that starting single shot las gun

Dude was a helluva difficulty modifier

[terse idol]

The ilas is good doe

[umbral grove]

Maybe in someone elses hands

He also kept going down far away from the rest of the team doing this too

Especially during the hackin segments

[terse idol]

Oh okay that's a different story

😌

[warm bolt]

[crisp oak]

its a semi auto version of the full auto version that the us military uses...

as a mounted weapon

(the mk19)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mk_19_grenade_launcher

[warm bolt]

Also can someone rate this build i found and been using for some time now? (i replaced ds with power sword and did plasma blessings differently)
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d852e14-3114-485d-b6cd-cb8915cb07ff/the-current-best-veteran-build-imo

[crisp oak]

I like to swap one of the stamina regens on the curio with sprint efficiency

[warm bolt]

[stoic thorn]

I wanna see other LM tank variants ngl

An Eradicator or Hellhammer would look nice

Even though the Hellhammer isn't an LM tank

We could have a mission where we secure a Hellhammer

One of those could turn the tide

[shy rose]

currious questioin with the Hellbore if you stab someone can you get ranged stacks with that rather then melee stacks?

could you get both stacks without swapping the weapon

[grand perch]

no

[shy rose]

figured

[grand perch]

weapon specialist doesnt work for helbore bayonet, only agile engagement does

[shy rose]

agile engagement?

ioooh that one

[grand perch]

stab enemy > receive bacon buff

[shy rose]

and i guess serraded blade probably works

[grand perch]

i wouldnt count on it and probably wouldnt be worth it

[wanton dawn]

Standard core talent, though some I'd argue that WS is kind of wasted of Ds4. The preference between CK path and OfB path is probably not a subject worth discussing as it ultimately depend on the player. Same for curios setup: lot of people strongly feel about gunner and sniper dmg vs none of it. As for weapon: plasma is fairly standard although perk might need testing for h40 bp. For DS4 the critical chance need to be tested against BP

[shy rose]

i have my doubts in general how good seraded blade is on anything other then a knife

[hollow ibex]

jfc this build again

[grand perch]

its only useful for knife with mercy killer

[shy rose]

yeah figured

[grand perch]

gives you the option to have another blessing that doesnt make bleed happen, like uncanny strike

[wanton dawn]

And also: same for thoughness VS health. And I am not even discussing pathing talent such as Get back VS Catch a breath, Born leader vs the rest, and reciprocity vs close quarter

Note that if you do not take WS nodes, you can catch bring it down

And I think that's it for my ted talk

[unreal nova]

Just don't go all into hp if you play pugs.

[wanton dawn]

Going all in HP mean you can reach 200hp against 2shot poxbuster

[unreal nova]

Is funny if your team dooks out gold toughness though.

[wanton dawn]

As a rule of thumb: I don't discuss build much cuz it usually devolve into screaming contest on stuff that ultimately don't matter

[unreal nova]

True. Is really situational.

[wanton dawn]

The core talent build is pretty standard. I highlighted the flex part

Me personally I value CK more than OfB

[warm bolt]

I see, thanks a lot!

[warm bolt]

Oh i didnt know it was some sort of infamous build, i just found something sorta high-rated

[unreal nova]

Is just Tanner.

[hollow ibex]

also, it's gameslantern

high rating prob means it's shit lol

[unreal nova]

Never talk or link Tanner things except to mock it.

[hollow ibex]

true

[warm bolt]

Oh

oh

[wanton dawn]

IDK if infamous. But I basically have the same build and I never checked other ppl for it

It allows you to reach the best talent from the bottom and top part of the tree for the specific plasma playstyle

[grand perch]

always prepared is a weird pick for plasma

id have some other minor notes but dont care enough

[wanton dawn]

It is justifiable if you pick on your toes for thoughness regen

I tried it. It is nice not to have to think about reserve on switch

[hollow ibex]

i think it's overkill with VOC

[wanton dawn]

As I said, you can take bring if down if you don't go for WS node

[hollow ibex]

that's prob what i'd do

[wanton dawn]

The bring it down version is better for current ogryn modifier

[wind grotto]

always prepared is okay for plasma if you don't want to animation cancel the reload I guess?

[wanton dawn]

obv

[wind grotto]

but yeah i'd prefer bring it down even in that situation

[hollow ibex]

plasma has such a big mag, feels like a waste of a point tbh

[wind grotto]

well it just makes it so you never have to reload it basically which can be nice

[grand perch]

especialy since you could just take invigorated instead

[wanton dawn]

It is meh as a final node, it is okay as a pathing node for the last node

[wind grotto]

but again i'd prefer bring it down

[hollow ibex]

nah you'll still have to reload

just a bit less often

it's not like a revolver where you truly never have to reload (theoretically)

[wind grotto]

but honestly as long as your not talking like super minmax havoc 40, I don't really care what a vet brings as long as he has survivalist in most content

[grand perch]

outside of havoc survivalist is really optional

[wanton dawn]

In any case and to the risk of repeating myself: talent tree not bad, has some flex depending on preference

[grand perch]

and that one maelstrom modifier

[hollow ibex]

yeah that's true

[wind grotto]

i've played enough pubby games where a zealot with knives picks up 80% of the ammo on the map to know that survivalist is basically mandatory in most pub games

[hollow ibex]

dafuq

skill issues with the zealot then

[wind grotto]

the last one was only like two days ago even

[hollow ibex]

knives should be almost self sustainable

[wind grotto]

yeah but people really suck at darktide

[hollow ibex]

they regenerate by just playing normally

[warm bolt]

No but he REALLY needs ammo for his crippling powder addiction

[hollow ibex]

and not missing a lot

[wanton dawn]

My own h40 build is way weirder anyway

[unreal nova]

Unless they are actually magdumping bosses with bolter, but even then...

[wind grotto]

I don't even mind if it's like a weird gunlugger snatching all the ammo up even though thats also really common

but I have seen so many zealots just hoovering up every single ammo pickup in the last month or so

[unreal nova]

I just forget my gun exist on zealot so often though.

[heavy rover]

yeah, I tell the zealot one time that I'm still good on ammo and they can have it, they take every ammo pack like a vacuum

[shy rose]

best combat shotgun? which one would people recommend

[wanton dawn]

[wind grotto]

unless you really hate the double barrel i'd say just take that

but the agripina slug can be good I guess?

[unreal nova]

Agri, but just use Bolt Pistol.

[shy rose]

I know!!! there are way better options oke xD

[unreal nova]

I'm actually serious.

[wind grotto]

I also am in that the double barrel is just the better shotgun choice for vet

[shy rose]

its the better shotgun period

[wind grotto]

unless you want a shotgun that has a long range slug for some reason

[unreal nova]

Oh yeah, DB shotgun.

[shy rose]

Does Weapon Specialist reloads 1 bullit? everytime

cuss then its busted

[wind grotto]

if you take always prepared yes

it's very strong on the db

[shy rose]

thats so busted holyshit

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah it always adds a rounded up number of bullets

[shy rose]

Uch i dont wanna run that gun again

[pseudo fiber]

So yeah like 20% of 2 is 0.4 but it rounds it to 1

[shy rose]

but its so much better xD

[wind grotto]

the agripina is fine if you don't like the db

[shy rose]

i like it alot but i use it already on several builds

i wanted to switch it up

[unreal nova]

I wonder if 1 stack is enough. Should be, right?

[wind grotto]

it is

3.3% still rounds up

[grand perch]

https://youtu.be/MU0KLZLNyBc

a little dmeonstration of what DB with always prepared can do

[pseudo fiber]

Yup

[unreal nova]

I usually stab too much to test those kinda things lul.

[shy rose]

i wish the fireslug of the acc was better it has potenial

but it is jus way to underwelming

it has surprisingly good range tho

[unreal nova]

They all do actually.

[pseudo fiber]

The fire slug at times feels just worse than the duck bill shot

Idk what else to callnit

The zarona's one

[shy rose]

Zarona one is not bad it feels like it turns the shotgun into an actual shotgun lol

[wind grotto]

I don't think the fire one was a slug was it

[dapper plank]

any duck & dive enjoyers in chat? i just discovered it

[wind grotto]

it can be fun but reciprocity is so much better that I generally avoid it

especially since it can't go to desperado after

[pseudo fiber]

I miss the lawbringer name

It was so much cooler

If they had to change any guns name back I want it to be that one

[grand perch]

outside of recon clown build? no

[unreal nova]

But Onslaught funni.

[shy rose]

but yeah combatshotties need rework

[dapper plank]

recon?

[unreal nova]

To get to onslaught. Is a silly blue recon thing where you BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR at everything, even bosses and crushers.

[grand perch]

basically you take deadshot + duck and dive with recon lasgun. you get the attention of all shooters, dodge all their shots to gain basically infinite stamina (only limited by D'n'D cd) to keep deadshot up

get stripped down on the recon for extra lulz

[dapper plank]

i like recon gun :]

[shy rose]

yeah recon gun is nice

[unreal nova]

BEHOLD, CANCER.

[pseudo fiber]

No demo team

Sorry

Demo stockpile

[unreal nova]

Why need grenades when you BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR everything.

[dapper plank]

kinda funny that you dont even want keystones :p

[unreal nova]

I can't tag on controller.

So, what's focus anyway?

[shy rose]

Ranged Specialist is the critrate boost only on the first shot or for all shots the first 5 seconds?

[unreal nova]

You mean the 1 tag on the boss if it spawns?

[primal zealot]

No iron will ??

[unreal nova]

No points.

Want BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

[primal zealot]

Also rending strikes is pretty useless when you already applying brittleness

[unreal nova]

Shooting crushers.

Yes.

But fine, if you can god dodge, drop determined for Iron Will.

Btw, this isn't serious. I have only used it while derping around with recon shooting at everything.

Wait, why do i have inspiring prescence?

Oh, think I clicked on the wrong thing then.

[dapper plank]

if you're not serius, why are you playing game

can onlybe serius when playing game

game is not fun time

[unreal nova]

Here, have a fixed ver.

See thing shoot thing.

Dodge and shoot more things.

[unreal nova]

Go back to h40.

[latent parcel]

no. you come play h40!

[wanton dawn]

I just realized but

Scoreboard mod does not give score on mat takeout in h40

Its a good day

[crimson pebble]

bait used to believable

[wanton dawn]

Now that I look at it

Note taking nade regen and a thoughness node is arguable

Especially over the 20% reload speed and box

[crimson pebble]

inb4 "im a support player "

[unreal nova]

True. OfB would work if you get lucky enough to never need to reload. XD

[wanton dawn]

I would probably consider something like this. If i played recon, which i do not. Or OfB, which i don't like

[unreal nova]

But the other is more, why grenade if you pewpew everything?

[terse idol]

Imo you could skip surv if you just take shock trooper

[wanton dawn]

Turn out frags scales a ton with difficulties

[terse idol]

I thiiink that's my current recon build

And repi

[unreal nova]

Eh, depends on where you go, lul. Pugs? GL with getting ammo.

So if you like gambling sure.

This is not for H40.

[wanton dawn]

You don't save point by taking surv of fire so... I guess one does what one wants to do

The build is the same

[unreal nova]

I will absolutely tell you to not shoot crushers at that point.

[terse idol]

I love abit of gambling (I've also be incredibly lucky with pugs and I can get ammo boxes)

[wanton dawn]

H40 build with another vet that take surv

Plasma/ps

[unreal nova]

Illegal build, what's focus? Stare.

[unreal nova]

Look, unless you want to carry. You know I can't do H40.

[wanton dawn]

I know console ppl can't play mark properly. But it is still a humongous dmg boost teamwide

[latent parcel]

^

[unreal nova]

They can if they ignore the ability to dodge... but then the point of the dodge meme is gone.

[wanton dawn]

It is simple: i take 10% dmg from other member and I put it on my scoreboard

[unreal nova]

You pick if you want tag or dodge.

[wanton dawn]

Oh well. 1 mark is enough anyway

[latent parcel]

i pick mouse n keyboard and get both

[unreal nova]

So I can't look around and perma tunnel vision, kay.

I don't have the table space to use the mouse tha way.

[visual badge]

hammer of the emperor suggests flak and unarmoured for MK VII vigilant autogun

why not the usual flak + maniac

[narrow frost]

unarmoured are your dreg gunners

if you want to 1 shot them you'll want it

plus vigilant autoguns have terrible maniac damage

[calm shard]

if that's the semi auto one it's because it one shot bodyshots both shooter types with any substantial damage boost active

[narrow frost]

adding more barely changes its damage to them

[calm shard]

and also one shot headshots both gunners

[wanton dawn]

Death sentence on vet

[narrow frost]

how so?

VoC then shovel them

shrimple

[visual badge]

the F button in question:

[wanton dawn]

Cuz a precision gun that is not good at specialist handling is sad

Oh well, vigilant are not meta so I am basically beating a dead horse

[calm shard]

I mean vigilants still 1/2 shot most specialists

taking 2 headshots for flamers does suck though

[wanton dawn]

Vigilant has other problems, i just singling out maniac dmg

[unreal nova]

Is dooking flamers though. Watching one survive the BPistol bleedout... Yeah. Just flamers.

[wanton dawn]

Also it is 2 hs

[grand perch]

well i play vigi VII in a deadshot + mf + exec build and if you jump through these hoops you get pretty consistent crit 1hs on everything short of carapace

and reaper i guess

hit cara headshots and youre in 2000 - 3500 dps territory

one of my favorite ranged guns tbh

[wanton dawn]

I prefer bolter for this tbh

[grand perch]

fair, you could see vigi as a less cumbersome and higher capacity little brother of bolter

[wanton dawn]

In general i give less value to ultra wk-dependent weapon but that's on me

[idle dragon]

I weirdly had an idea of a new possibility of a gun for vet? Plasma pistols

We have boltgun and bolt pistol

Plasma gun but no plasma pistol

Would be interesting to see but how would that work or be unique

[odd sparrow]

i want it as well. It is a bit of headscratcher of how it would work

[unreal nova]

Hand flamers first.

[light ridge]

Meltagun

Inferno pistol

[idle dragon]

Interesting idea but just give melta guns or flamers at that point

[unreal nova]

Nu, I like my fast pullout sidearms.

[idle dragon]

Can’t argue with that

[tame lodge]

Actually worth charging would be a good start

[heavy bridge]

there's a variant of plasma guns thta have an automatic burst

cfould be that

[idle dragon]

Would be nice to have a burst plasma gun and not the normal one shot

[slow spade]

Plasma cannon when?

[normal river]

Im looking for a build to hunt ogryns to grind the kill ogryn penance in the event. I was told to use veteran with a MK IV helbore and bring it down+marksmans focus. What tree could I make with that? Im bad at minmaxing trees and whatnot

[tame lodge]

You know

The usual

There's probably better builds out there but I didn't check them

[arctic rampart]

dual wield fire & ice pistols

emp protect us

[tall torrent]

flak + unarmored is for surgical + DA combo

there's an alternative of elite + maniac with ghost + opening salvo

[normal river]

thx

[normal river]

so then focus target is better than marksman focus for the ogryns?

[tall torrent]

Exe stance boltgun, trust

[normal river]

I dont like the boltgun

[tall torrent]

Helbore kills crushers, just a bit slower and more dependent on headshots

Also takes a ton of investment for helbore IV to 1 tap crushers

[tame lodge]

I don't have a conclusive answer for that, but I do know that FT often helps with breakpoints

[tall torrent]

Helbore needs marksman focus for 1 tap crushers

And marksman

And rending strikes

And a crit headshot

[junior needle]

When skitarii class

[tall torrent]

June 8th 2029

[tame lodge]

Once Hadron calls forth an Explorator Engiseer

[junior needle]

Sooner than expected

[tall torrent]

At this rate it’s more likely for the cult in DT to have an STC than for a mechanicus class to show up

[normal river]

And wouldnt kark be perfect to smoke these crusher patrols that appear in the event?

krak

[tall torrent]

Come in too large waves + frags usually do better vs very large waves

[junior needle]

Imagine if DT had full modding capabilities, we would've had multiple full fan made overhauls and classes by now

[normal river]

hmmm

[tall torrent]

Because crushers are the least threatening part of the ogryn strike team

The most threatening part is the reapers in the back

They gotta die fast

Bulwarks also cause more problems than crushers on the avg

[wanton dawn]

Remindme!3y

[normal river]

So then is this a viable build for the hellbore or is it stupid and bad? Idk about build efficiency

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t recommend longshot + exhilarating takedown

Born leader also not great value with exe stance

[normal river]

how can I improve it

[tall torrent]

What melee are u using

[orchid hemlock]

for this event I would just use a bolt build

[normal river]

the shovel

cause I need to level it up

[normal river]

I already have a bolt build I want to learn and lvl up the hellbore cause I havent already and ive been told its good option for this still

right?

[orchid hemlock]

the problem with hellbore is that u need to be cracked at the game to use it well

also it really struggles to kill bullwalks

[terse idol]

Imo you don't want to be doing this event while trying to level things upp

[orchid hemlock]

the reason why the bolt is soo good in this event is because it is excellent at dealing with unyielding and cara

and since it has such high collat that with Keep their heads down u can force bullwaks to open their shields via suppression

[slow spade]

Grenade launcher that fires Krak when?

[slow spade]

:D

[proven garden]

Can you jump while aiming to shoot their forehead or does that fuck up the accuracy

[orchid hemlock]

I don't think so

[proven garden]

That’s unfortunate

[orchid hemlock]

That's the rumbler sweatie

[proven garden]

I’m assuming generally I just throw a krak at the bulwark and call it a day?

[orchid hemlock]

The best way to play this event is to play smyker/shieldgryn

[wanton dawn]

what event ?

Ogryn stuff ?

[slow spade]

Vet Rumbler when?

[orchid hemlock]

Never

[slow spade]

"Oops all Ogryns" event

[orchid hemlock]

IG takes an Ogryn to Kill one

[slow spade]

Blocked for not giving me what I want

[proven garden]

I used pickaxe gunlugger lol

[slow spade]

I just use Psword + Bolter

[proven garden]

Shot up everything that wasn’t a crusher and beat the fuck out of the crusher

[wanton dawn]

I just had to play my sweat build

Turn out having a build meant to handle most situation can handle most situation

[normal river]

well then how can I make the best bolter build to kill ogryns

[orchid hemlock]

I posted a Pic above I believe

[normal river]

I mean the tree

[orchid hemlock]

For boltgun there are lots of builds

[tall torrent]

I use this

[normal river]

thx

[hollow ibex]

no rashad 😭

[slow spade]

Rashad bad

Sponsored by Nurgle

[tame lodge]

Honorable mention to Ripper Gunner

Set every bulwark and Reaper on fire

Can opener crushers

[normal river]

I went to the ogryn channel and they told me to play vet

[tame lodge]

Understandable
Sort of

I still believe FS didn't give enough ammo to ogryns

Shoots irresponsibly

[orchid hemlock]

Just go shieldgryn:

[tall torrent]

I use Heavy sword IX with this

[hollow ibex]

yeah makes sense

[broken spade]

you don't like the suppression node anymore?

[tall torrent]

I think they’re sorta interchangeable

Can run either

KTHD is a little nicer vs gunners

[wanton dawn]

This is the most inconsequential part of all talent tree

Which is good ?

[orchid hemlock]

I think born leader as decent value with VOC

[umbral grove]

You'll have to kill me first, Orcka

[rustic beacon]

Yh with voc I will always go born leader as long as I am not playing some rapid fire gun that needs suppression

[umbral grove]

What does suppression actually do?

Aside from making enemies scared

[rustic beacon]

Exactly that, gunners stop shooting

[umbral grove]

Oh alright

Wasnt sure if there was more to it

[tame lodge]

Reduces accuracy

Prompts enemies to move to cover

Unless you scare them enough

They'll be sitting ducks in the open if that happens

[peak tree]

Huzzah, Make Every Shot Count was pretty easy one and done. Nooow for overwatch to finish.

[calm shard]

varies by enemy, but initially it makes them flinch and stop shooting, then forces them to run for cover, then makes them cower and stop doing anything until it goes away

notably bolters instantly trigger max suppression on most enemies

not for very long, but they do

[hollow ibex]

a lot of enemies are immune to suppression as well

[burnt vortex]

Just like the Emperor intended.

[peak tree]

coolio, got it in one on Rolling Steel.

Vet achievements done.

[slow spade]

I swear the new event is scripted to always have power supply disruption or vent purge

[tall torrent]

Play exe boltgun

[mellow adder]

One on the left worth getting?

[tall torrent]

Are u very low on other resources

Cuz u can very easily roll a perfect one

[mellow adder]

atm yes

[tall torrent]

U could grab it if u want

Melk coins are mostly useless anyway

[umbral scaffold]

What exactly do you mean by roll?

(New to the game here)

[mellow adder]

getting one from Brunt (Weapon Vendor), base item with high stats

though you gotta be ready to gamble allot of cash

[umbral scaffold]

Appreciate that, so it’s an RNG vendor for guns.

[tall torrent]

Armoury exchange has 2 options
Requisition (randomly generated weapons, hourly reset)
Brunt’s armoury (get exactly the weapon u want with random stat distribution)

Buy from brunt’s armoury until you get a weapon with the stat distribution u want

It’s basically burning coins to get a good weapon

Most weapons are fairly easy to roll that way

Can get perfect stat distribution under 200k dockets spent

The only weapon in the whole game that’s hard to perfect roll is veteran’s plasma gun

[umbral scaffold]

Thanks for the break down. In-game menus are a bit daunting at first glance.

[loud belfry]

i had a 69 thermal 71 charge plasma but then it turned into a 71 thermal 69 charge when empowered. what a world

[tall torrent]

There’re 5 types of currency

Ordo dockets (gold coin stack)
Used to buy weapons, commissary cosmetics and craft weapons

Ordo ingots (gold hexagon coin)
Used to acquire items at Sire Melk’s place

Plasteel
Used to craft weapons and curios

Dismantine
Used to craft weapons and curios

Aquilla
Used to buy cosmetics from commodore’s vestures (micro transaction shop)

[slow spade]

you hate me :c

[tall torrent]

It’s so good

[slow spade]

sorry I need my VoC crutch

[fading yarrow]

Good evenin', might some of y'all pray carry me through my fifth Auric Maelstrom? I put up an LFG but I don't think people are going to join lol

[molten hound]

exec boltgun is my guilty pleasure

[violet ibex]

My shovel is my lifeblood I’m very sentimental n I never wanna part with it

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-the-clone-wars-fives-death-the-mission-the-nightmares-gif-17402131

[tiny junco]

NOPE

STILL GOTTA GET HAVOC 40

NUH UH

[fading yarrow]

It's a lil funny that the description still says 10 instead of 5

[tiny junco]

AND YOU GOTTA GET THOSE HAVOC CHIEVMENTS

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-endgame-avengers-gone-ashes-gif-14019029

[tiny junco]

KEEP GRINDIN' SCAV

https://tenor.com/view/mad-man-crazy-insane-creepy-smile-willem-dafoe-gif-17000780

[umbral grove]

Finally got my zealot to 30, feels better leveled up, still dont like his melee though

[tiny junco]

Need help homie? I got a couple good builds for you.

[umbral grove]

But goddamn does it feel good to just chunk monstrosities

[umbral grove]

Think its more the melee weapons themselves? I dont know

Shooting feels great with a bolter though

[tiny junco]

Nah nah nah, mic up man. I got you.

[umbral grove]

Lol im going to lay down

[tiny junco]

I got you brotha, you're probably missing somethin'

[umbral grove]

I mean, most definitely

[tiny junco]

Well ere, add me and we'll go over melee tommorrow

[umbral grove]

I really didnt go into the melee parts of the skill tree is all, thats more than likely why

[fading yarrow]

22 Auric Maelstrom
203 Aurics overall
Havoc 40
Havoc 35-40 with no-one getting downed
47 Havocs overall

Throne...

[umbral grove]

I mostly just did the grenade and other utility stuff, the extra ammo and the random shit at the bottom

Let me goto the build editor thing real quick

Its just that im probably too used to bein a ogryn is all

[tiny junco]

Literally, melee is as simple as "abuse dodge, be good at outsmarting opponents, don't push when it's unsmart to"

like im not even gonna lie, i only down if i push a crusher pile and i've got a asshair of hp left

[fading yarrow]

H40 Dark Communion, wish me luck

Two of these people have True Survivor

I am le weak link

[umbral grove]

This is what i am running

[umbral grove]

Yeah, i know most of that

Vermintide 2 vet

[faint beacon]

This will always bother me regardless of context

[umbral grove]

Yeah, i kept wondering if i should take it or not

But then i kept playin games without it and doin fine, so then i just kept leavin it

[tall torrent]

You most likely will want to change this

[tall torrent]

Take it

[umbral grove]

Its been workin so far for me, but change what exactly?

[tall torrent]

A lot of things

What weapons are u using

[umbral grove]

That one heavy sword and bolter

I dont like much of the veteran melee weapons

[tall torrent]

Veteran has 4.5 good melee weapons

Combat axe III
Power sword VI
Duelling sword (all 3 are strong & similar)
Combat blade (both are strong & similar)

Heavy sword IX is the 0.5

[fading yarrow]

Bro
The DCs are non-stop tonight

[umbral grove]

Eww

[tall torrent]

What

[umbral grove]

Was thinkin bout using the armor piercing axe

[tall torrent]

Axe is very strong
But it needs a lot of talents to support it

Boltgun also needs a lot of talents to support it

So you usually can’t afford to run both in their optimal states in the same build

[umbral grove]

Power sword is a no go, as are most alt activate weapons, simply because of the way my layout is on my contrillwr

[umbral grove]

Boltgun been workin with the build i have so far

[tall torrent]

Exe stance boltgun is one of the strongest veteran builds in the game

[umbral grove]

Exe stance?

[tall torrent]

There’re a LOT of things that need changes in that build

[tall torrent]

Left side ability

Wallhack + extra damage

[umbral grove]

I like the shout for the support

Helps save

[tall torrent]

Allows boltgun to even bodyshot 1 tap most enemies

[umbral grove]

I like my build, i dont need any min maxed thing

[tall torrent]

At the very least

Take inspiring presence off

And take iron will

[umbral grove]

Probably unconventional, but it was doin well when i was leveling up

Iron will the res one?

[tall torrent]

No

50% toughness DR when above 75% toughness

[umbral grove]

Yeah, i was thinkin about it

[tall torrent]

The one in the middle in that same row is called inspiring presence and it’s the worst talent in the game bar none

[umbral grove]

Whys that?

Percentage just too low?

For the gains?

[tall torrent]

It’s coherency regeneration only and coherency regeneration turns off if there’s an enemy occupying a slot on you

Basically if you’re fighting enemies in melee, it’s off

And even when it is working, it scales off a flat toughness value dependent on coherency number

Veteran typically builds for a good amount of toughness

[umbral grove]

What

[tall torrent]

Most toughness gain effects are % of your max toughness so building more doesn’t make you get toughness slower

[umbral grove]

Thats so stupid though

[tall torrent]

Coherency toughness regeneration doesn’t scale with your toughness value

[umbral grove]

Why would they do it like that?

[tall torrent]

It’s by design because you should be getting toughness from melee kills if you’re in melee

Just don’t take that talent ever

There’re a lot of things wrong with the build u posted

This is just the worst offender

[fading yarrow]

An Provogryn, a Smyker, a Captain, a Burgle, a Specialist horde and a dream

Smyker got beaten to death by a Mutant and the Provogryn got spat out by the Burgle into a Trapper net before I finished writing that

Smyker has finally switched to bubble lol

[calm shard]

I didn't think there was a significant difference between the 2 power swords

[tall torrent]

VI is better in basically everything basically

By at least a little bit

[umbral grove]

I am what i am, sir

Been working out so far

[austere mica]

I cannot leave this without saying its actually gross

[umbral grove]

Lol

[uncut pebble]

I shouldn't have looked at it.

[umbral grove]

Goddamn people, it aint that bad

[loud belfry]

should always say that it was your friend's build, that way you can pawn the pain off to them

[umbral grove]

Lol

I've been havin fun with it, s'all that matters

[tiny junco]

let me reword what they're saying, they're saying although you're having issues, you're inspiring, inspiring them and others to mash their brain into their keyboards with just the mere idea of playing your build, it's not that we hate you, it's that we want you to flourish with us, and frankly your build just imagining it is uh... it hurts

[umbral grove]

LOL

I just like shooting and throwin grenades at armored units

Shit still dies so i dont get the problem

Other then that one middle perk

[fading yarrow]

After two failed attempts and a masterful clutch from the Psyker, the whole Party DCed when we finally got to Wolfer's ambush

Havoc 40 eludes me tonight

[umbral grove]

https://tenor.com/view/hugs-gif-22445027

[austere mica]

It is!!!!!!!

[umbral grove]

Well its a good thing i cant read

[fading yarrow]

This is a perfectly fine build

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn99-brooklyn-nine-nine-grenades-anger-weapon-gif-16979865

[dapper plank]

the 20% chance of double grenade seems to be a contender for worst talent in the game to me

would a double fire grenade do double damage, or just overlap eachother and do 0 extra damage?

[dapper plank]

as veteran i assume? did you struggle doing it with other classes?

[fading yarrow]

Yeah I got it as Vet, I'm not good enough at the other classes to go as hard as I do with Vet

Vast majority of my troubles came from teammates I couldn't carry or the servers themselves

[trim steppe]

well vets dont have fire grenades so that's not a relevant question

[dapper plank]

oh :]

[proven garden]

Have any of you been having fun with the shovel

[dapper plank]

i did not, but i have not really tried

[proven garden]

Shit fucking sucks

[fading yarrow]

Shovel is very fun, good horde clear and good single target

[trim steppe]

on ogryn, yes. On vet, I haven't given it a fair go but no not really

[dapper plank]

i love the poker

[trim steppe]

but I'm a caxe simp

[fading yarrow]

My favorite is the stock standard Munitorum Sapper

[proven garden]

What mark is that

[fading yarrow]

The default one that doesn't fold

[proven garden]

Ok

[trim steppe]

mk1

[hollow ibex]

@tall torrent someone's dissing your favorite talent

[tall torrent]

Not my fav

But it’s better than most people give it credit for

[hollow ibex]

no need to be shy about it

[tall torrent]

The tooltip is kind of misleading in a way

[hollow ibex]

don't expect too much besides funny thunking sounds

[trim steppe]

Is that because a double frag kills everything but crushers in seconds? or some other reason

[tall torrent]

Because u need to do a bit of maths to see why it works

[hollow ibex]

math? aight im out

[tall torrent]

To translate it from the tooltip into actual application would be

36% chance to increase your bleed DOT by 65% whenever you throw 2 frags

[tall torrent]

16 stacks of bleed is ~65.5% more damage than 12 stacks

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/im-out-im-done-gone-bye-gif-14331061352776093889

[loud belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/kurona-math-gif-18320549

[tough tiger]

@tall torrent whats the difference between shovels again?

[tall torrent]

1 has a little better horde clear and SP is strong single target stagger

3 is one trick folded heavy, quite bad otherwise

7 has slightly worse horde clear than 1 but much higher single target dmg

1 and 7 are quite mediocre but usable

3 is pretty bad

[tough tiger]

I see

[proven garden]

I heard there was a cheese for the take no damage penance

What is it

[tall torrent]

Jump off the map at start and don’t be rescued

[proven garden]

So I literally just kill myself?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[proven garden]

That’s hilarious

And it does both of the penances?

[tall torrent]

Not sure abt the take 0 damage one

[proven garden]

Alright thanks lmao

[tall torrent]

But I think it does the take 0 melee damage one

[proven garden]

Actually do you mind helping me with that rn

[tall torrent]

Sure?

[proven garden]

Yahooey

[tall torrent]

Need a bit of time tho I’m playing another game

Might take 5-10 mins

[proven garden]

Got it just lmk when

[tall torrent]

Do u use vc

[proven garden]

I have it

Do I even need it though

[tall torrent]

Prob not

[idle dragon]

Standard issue is the best

Kept me alive well in Auric and maelstrom

[proven garden]

I’m really liking the hellbore ngl it’s kinda ammo hungry but the “hit headshot or die” playstyle is fun

[tall torrent]

Helbore is not ammo hungry

If anything helbore is virtually infinite ammo

[proven garden]

Fr?

[austere mica]

Helbore is the only infinite ammo gun what

[proven garden]

Do I pair it with scavenger or something

[idle dragon]

The hellbore is good but you need the second version to do the most damage and survive

[tall torrent]

Take shock trooper

[austere mica]

You don't need to

[proven garden]

Or is it just supposed to one shot eveyrthing and mine isn’t leveled high enough

[idle dragon]

Kinda

[austere mica]

You can run the lowest damage version

and never dip below 90% even firing at shooters

[proven garden]

What’s shock trooper again lol

[idle dragon]

1 version has the hellbore charge but other that it’s meh

[tall torrent]

Las weapon crit doesn’t consume ammo

[proven garden]

Oh I see it’s above marksman focus

I’ll probably look for a build for that then

[tall torrent]

I’m available now

[idle dragon]

In my commissar build I use the las pistol, best damn weapon paired with a dueling sword

[proven garden]

Bet thanks

What’s your code

[tall torrent]

I’ll just inv u

[proven garden]

I was told to pair hellbore with shock maul

[tall torrent]

Helbore doesn’t get a lot of melee choices

Out of the good ones anyway

[idle dragon]

Shock mail is meh 🫤 but you can you it personally just use a shovel or heavy sword hell dueiling and power sword works

[proven garden]

From my zealot experience shock maul was a really good cc and horde clear weapon with miserable st damage