veteran-class

[faint beacon]

Gungry Coward Culling would get insane value out of it

[vernal harbor]

A lot of times people don’t understand that to suppress them you need to actually hit near them

or kill (1) and then the whole hive scatters which isn’t great but opens you to options how to renegade them

all in all a hip fire round from me does around 1.4 if it hits their head

longer distance better damage ect.

but also times when i can actually get the no enemies 8m from me it spikes the damage to unbelievable levels

all while everyone is basically in fetal position

and presumably my team has taken the advantage I gave

[calm shard]

because this is stupid and unintuitive and the weapons that are the best at suppression don't work like this

flamethrowers, psyker staves, and explosives don't need to hit near enemies to suppress them

[quartz falcon]

Eh I don't make special builds

I just want it to work and if it doesn't, I Switch around till it does

[crude fiber]

this new modifier is doing wonders for my kill penances lol

[dry cloak]

dreg mauler when

[crude fiber]

would just be a naked dude with more health and different armor modifer

[dry cloak]

yeah

[hard oracle]

have my shooter men had any trouble with zealots who are scared of melee hoovering up all the ammo for their boltgun so they can hip fire crushers ?

[crude fiber]

Not recently but I'm also done with out havoc outside of 1 40 a week for cache

[hard oracle]

yeah man i only have 2 friends who play often I gotta find some good people on here im so sick of getting screwed by randoms

shit just nice not toxic people is enough lmao

[crisp oak]

I deed it

sadly like 2 downs (havoc 40)

(Archivum sycorax is a shitpost of a havoc 40)

[vernal harbor]

i dont want to hear all that from someone named gun psyker enjoyer

[vernal trench]

wahts teh dump stat for knife again

[tame lodge]

Mobility

Always

Except couple weapons

Because defence

[wild summit]

honestly think overwatch needs to have its downside removed and be made basekit

its such a noobtrap

sure you get clutch plays, but you also just as well might get a situation where this 33% can screw you over

[tame lodge]

Or that's how FS balanced it

[wild summit]

i am sure they thought it was op

[tame lodge]

Blah blah blah risk reward

Blah blah blah

[wanton dawn]

I should stop trying to play exe with lvl 3x in auric

[wild summit]

but i am even more certain that veteran and zealot were done by COMPLETELY seperate people

who never communicated

[wild summit]

exe stance imo has value

[wanton dawn]

That's neither the point, nor my point

[tame lodge]

You should double down and exclusively use exec with lvl3s

[wild summit]

what is lvl3s?

can someone explain the lingo for me?

[terse idol]

Wdym?

I think the class fantasy of either is pretty nice

[unreal nova]

Someone who just barely hit lvl 30+ and leeroying into hard mode.

[terse idol]

Issue being as far as I know the zealot tree has like

2 paths

[unreal nova]

I assume.

[wild summit]

i mean in the way of, there is no way both teams communicated, considering there is no way picking vets stealth perk if you could just play zealots stealth perk

because if both teams talked to each other, one of them would have gone "damn, that makes my idea sound like crap"

by all means, make vet THE stealther, but go hard on it

[terse idol]

I mean zealot stealth just has a different useage

[wild summit]

a better one in every regard

i am usually subjective

[terse idol]

Its not in every regard

[wild summit]

i mean yes it has longer stealth ... great

but listen here

vets stealth has a total of 4 talents

arguably you need 2 to make it even arguable to run on havoc

[terse idol]

I mean

The 4 talents with many of them not being useful

Havoc is still just VOC boys

I hope it ain't wrong but like

They're similar but do slightly different things

[wild summit]

meanwhile, zealots gets 2 seconds less stealth and 5% less speed ... on the humanity, but gets 100% more backstab damage, 100% finesse damage and 100% crit chance

and that just for its base version

like there is no reason to ever pick vets stealth

nobody profits from it other than you

meanwhile zealots will very likely just remove an enemy from the game

[unreal nova]

Event minigame monkey.

[terse idol]

Well

Yeah

And easily repositioning

And iirc a refill on toughness

[wild summit]

if you need to reposition you messed up in the first place tho

[terse idol]

Not necessarily

[wild summit]

i honestly think that it needs more things to be ever worth running

cause every high roller on havoc will just either boot you or laugh at you for running it

and be absolutely dumbfounded if you somehow manage carrying with it

like lets forget about shout

executioner stance looks op compared to infiltrate

[unreal nova]

If only it lasted longer so you can get dook done without any annoyances.

[terse idol]

I mean personally I just think havoc only runs a specific meta

[wild summit]

imo, here is my rework idea:

• Basekit buffs: 2 Charges, 25% damage for the first attack and for 10s after, attacking reveals you after 1 second of attacking
• Overwatch removed
• Surprise attack removed
• Low Profile: reworked Killing an enemy with a headshot during the stealth will extend its duration for 3 seconds, up to 5 times
• Hunters Resolve: Active for the whole stealth duration and for 10s after leving stealth

[terse idol]

You will be booted if you run infil

You will be booted if you don't run chorus

[wild summit]

nah you wont be

[terse idol]

[wild summit]

but people will have an inquisitve eye on you

[crude fiber]

you better be damn good if your running FOTF in havoc 40 lol

[wild summit]

if you dont prove that you cant pull your weight with your build and it is piss, you usually get booted after it or be asked to change

[wild summit]

yup

[terse idol]

People ask?

Tf

As far as I've heard people just won't accept anything but voc and chorus

[wild summit]

yeah yeah, they demand it 😂

[terse idol]

And psyker

[wild summit]

oh had one of those once

[wild summit]

i usually do incredibly well with exec stance

making sure that my team wont have to ever worry about any shooters that game

[crude fiber]

Pus hardened skin keeps me away from ex stance

[terse idol]

Well yeah wait

That does kill anything exe

[sleek garden]

i always have fun with exy stance

[terse idol]

A pure nerf to just ranged vet

[terse idol]

Even in pus hard?

[wild summit]

yeah i run the old columnus with marskmans focus, usually one or 3 headshots kill those shits in exec stance

[sleek garden]

pus hardened skin is annoying but with a good lasgun and exy stance and marksmans focus i can take down shooters in 1-2 shots still

if i can aim for the head 1-3 for scab gunners

[wild summit]

like marskman focus is amazing ... if you run columnus

the old one, i always forget what its renamed version is now

[vale wraith]

Lasguns benefit a lot from it

[wild summit]

doesnt lasgun have shit finesse?

[vale wraith]

Being able to drop gunners in one-two shots with an infantry las gun helps

[crude fiber]

Deadly accurate makes it good lol

[wild summit]

also, with columnus i can just spray a horde and get insta 10 stacks

[terse idol]

Hh

[vale wraith]

5 head shots is easy as piss to get with lasguns though

[terse idol]

The ilas 7 is still pretty good

And you just run ghost

Emperors dying light be damned

[wild summit]

no needi actually do so good that i run 3 stamina 3 curious and i still end up hosing everything down with deadshot

[tame lodge]

Recons

[terse idol]

Deadshot

automatic

Insane

No hp

No toughness

Brotheherrr

[wild summit]

i live dangerous

[vale wraith]

There’s that one node that replenishes stamina on headshots

Just don’t get hit

[terse idol]

I mean

Just run ghost

Literally take 0 damage

Thats what I do

[crude fiber]

I guess ghost plus deadshot wouldn't be so bad since you count as dodging with ghost and you can run the +stam on dodge talent

[vale wraith]

Autoguns dont have ghost

[wild summit]

duck and dive is also king

[vale wraith]

Always felt like a pretty ineffectual node to me

[unreal nova]

Pretty sure they use the autofire mod for inf las or heavy las.

[wild summit]

as long as you are good on immediately pulling out your melee weapon, 3 stamina curious will making you a fucking ogryn with a smaller hitbox

[unreal nova]

At least, I know the heavy laspistol has it.

[wild summit]

but yeah, usually i dont not have to defend myself cause i take care of shooters and my allies decimate the horde

[crude fiber]

You play in a pre-made or group finder? cause my randoms would rather get shot to death then let me take care of shooters lol

[terse idol]

I knoow i just prefer ilas without the mf talent that gives you toughness

[wild summit]

Random and trust me

I feel you

There are games where people think you are the issue even tho you cleared the whole room of shooters

And they end up getting back slapped

Meanwhile i sit here decommissioning shooters while the fucking pus bags try to give me the most unholy backshots known to slaanesh

But i also have games whrre i somehow cant seem to get a flow state going

But then i also know to maybe not pick exec stance for that day

[crisp oak]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9e003823-eeea-45d3-93bd-958ec2f55bca any ways to improve this for speedrunning?

[vale wraith]

Run revolver maybe?

[crisp oak]

idea was to magdump the bolter into bosses

[frosty kayak]

Ok so, how do you use the plasma gun and have fun

[pallid jetty]

lmb

sometimes hold the rmb

[tame lodge]

Realistically

M1

Always

And at every situation

Give enough time and it won't be fun

[tall torrent]

Left click hipfire headshot elite & specialist enemies

[dusty hedge]

if you put Uncanny Strike on a knife does 60% Penetration matter for any breakpoints?

[wanton dawn]

I just watch a lvl 36, in auric, trying to rez ppl on logistratum last event

except he did not know that he had to open the door

I feel very tired rn

[terse idol]

Are you saying that you got a 60 pen knife?

[dusty hedge]

no

[orchid hemlock]

Damage is the dump stat meme

Someone drop it

[dusty hedge]

just wondering if it matters

the difference is like .03 damage ratio

Uncanny Strike meanwhile gives you 24% Rending per stack

[terse idol]

Iirc uncanny is always good

I think

[dusty hedge]

it's like how cleave damage is the meta dump stat for dueling sword

[orchid hemlock]

OK i see where this is going

Mobility is the dump stat on knife, thanks for coming to my Ted talk

[dusty hedge]

hilarious

nice discussion, thanks for the information

[tame lodge]

It shouldn't

Affects Unarmored damage

But oh well

[terse idol]

I mean like

If it is the talk about compensating for a knife with 60 pen with uncanny

i wouldn't

Doesn't uncanny get worse with the worse penetration you have too?

[orchid hemlock]

Yes

[dusty hedge]

oh okay, then that answers my question

[terse idol]

So it isn't the case of like say dumping collateral (since i don't even know if collateral is any good)
Its a stat that much like damage affects the other modifiers too

[dusty hedge]

That's what the Vet Guide in the pins says, should I not be using the Vet Guide?

[terse idol]

The veg guide is really good

Hmm dunno if path has time rn...

@tall torrent do you dump cleave damage on dueling sword over mobility and how come?
(Is cleave damage for the dueling sword that bad?)

[tall torrent]

for mk4 cleave dmg doesn't matter much

for mk2 I don't because H2 has some cleave

[terse idol]

Thank yoou

[dusty hedge]

so I can safely disregard what Orcka says then

[latent parcel]

ur still awake?!

[wanton dawn]

almost finished

[terse idol]

Whaat wack

Nooo

[wanton dawn]

oh man look at the hour

[latent parcel]

what time is it for you

[wanton dawn]

00:00

[latent parcel]

sheesh

[wanton dawn]

Guess I should probably be serious and bail

[latent parcel]

whose gonna take ur ps plasma roll tho

[wanton dawn]

Idk, some people were looking for a foft if you scroll a bit above

alrighty, night night

[latent parcel]

ah

later man

[sleek garden]

its not on recons

but inflas yes

[quartz falcon]

I found a way to break the Threshold for the Bistol!

• +10% weakspot dmg
• Surgical (needed for the flak-armoured ones sometimes and definitely to one tap the berzerkers)
• lvl 1 Deadly accurate (+70%)

it's an easy one-click headshot from there again! Wish I could post my weapon, but I still don't have image perms :DD
Edit, I miss the threshold on the armored maniac by 23 dmg, guess I need to lvl up deadly accurate to 3

tested it on damnation for now

[unreal nova]

Nothing beats 7AM no bed.

[terse idol]

Take puncture

[sleek garden]

longest i ever stayed up was 6 am in college playing cyberpunk 2077

only good memory from college

[unreal nova]

Srsly, just puncture.

[terse idol]

Wait wait wait

You don't need 10% weakpoint damage because taking the perks that are suggested will let you get up to

The bps

[unreal nova]

I do it every night lul.

[terse idol]

Elite iirc will give you enough push with puncture for 1 tap headshots

and like a 0.5 second wait

The weird part is them not dying on shot

[quartz falcon]

But i wanna one tap all specialsssss

[quartz falcon]

yeah if I had the lvl 4 deadly accurate, which I dont currently

[tall torrent]

What breakpoints are these for

[quartz falcon]

onetapping any special in aurics on a heady

[unreal nova]

To be fair, you don't need any. I can 1 tap and wait even on my silly grenadier build. At least for anything but that one scab flamer. And the ogryns.

[quartz falcon]

i died one too many times getting charged by maniacs and shotgunners

[tall torrent]

You don’t need that complicated lol just maniac + puncture

[unreal nova]

And Muties.

[quartz falcon]

just shoot the backpack

[unreal nova]

But it's muties, go melee them.

[quartz falcon]

bleed only ticks 2 sec after it is applied, so where exactly is that a one-tap tho

[tall torrent]

Take a total of 1 shot, stagger on first shot so they can’t attack anyway

[unreal nova]

You shoot once, guy still dies.

[quartz falcon]

I get its prolly the best, but surgical is such a good crutch and I get guaranteed deadly accurate

making the perk decent

[quartz falcon]

ammo economy tho ...

[tall torrent]

What’s the ammo economy loss

You still take a grand total of 1 shot

[quartz falcon]

but why is stagger important then?

[unreal nova]

Dunno them. If they really want to run surgical, just tell them to go revolver.

[quartz falcon]

stagger ends before bleed procs

on paper

[gilded wraith]

Does Charismatic expand the teammate trigger range for demolition?

[quartz falcon]

alr have a maxed revolver, trying to get bistol to work for a builds

[terse idol]

The stagger makes it so they can't do damage and then they die cause of puncture anywho

[tall torrent]

Interrupts their attack animation while bleed finishes them off

[quartz falcon]

mmh ill test it

[terse idol]

Like the puncture dot is fast

[quartz falcon]

for now i want it to run on auric maelstrom, havoc 35 is next for bistol

[unreal nova]

At that point, go grenadier.

[tall torrent]

Deadly accurate doesn’t matter a whole lot for Boltpistol, and surgical is inferior to point blank for this gun in most situations

Deadly accurate might push gunner & flamer 1HS in havoc with crits?

But pus hardened will fuck u over anyway

[quartz falcon]

with my current setup i just checked w +20% maniacs I am at 1968 xD cant kill the maniac

do need to level up the weapon tree ig

[tall torrent]

If this gun had the 0.2s version of surgical it’d be better

[quartz falcon]

surgical guarantees deadly accurate

[terse idol]

Puncture

[quartz falcon]

agree

[terse idol]

[tall torrent]

After 3s of aiming yea

[quartz falcon]

dont have ittt

[quartz falcon]

yeah I mean it is a dogshit weapon

so if it can make it work...

[terse idol]

Its not bad

[quartz falcon]

nah aint no way you can rank it over anything else really that people also run

[tall torrent]

It’s a horribly inconsistent gun even with optimization

[quartz falcon]

revolver and headhunters r better at sniping

[quartz falcon]

yup

[tall torrent]

But optimization is not surgical + DA lol

[quartz falcon]

its has all the downsides from the bolter AND the revolver lol

[tall torrent]

Optimization is puncture + lethal prox/point blank/run&gun

[unreal nova]

Thing is, you basically pick it only if you want beeg boomies.

[quartz falcon]

low dmg, high reload, low to medium range, trash ammo economy

basically like og revolver

[unreal nova]

Or Punc and R&G on Zealot.

[terse idol]

Damn it, i thought it had some leg up on revolver... if always prepared didn't exist lmao

Funny LP my beloved

[tall torrent]

It has some benefits

[orchid hemlock]

I have been trying to master the hellbore

[quartz falcon]

its good at point blank

but why not just bring the burn shotgun

[tall torrent]

Faster reload, better mag size, AoE stagger

[unreal nova]

Knocking dogs off teammates at funny spots.

[quartz falcon]

stagger, better reload, can still snipe, better movement and ammo

[quartz falcon]

dont see the reload ngl

[tall torrent]

But it’s a lot inferior to revolver for breakpoints

[terse idol]

Not alotta range for the burn shotgun

[quartz falcon]

bolter cannot partially reload

[quartz falcon]

bolter alr falls of at waht 25 m?

[tall torrent]

Nah

Are we playing the same game

[quartz falcon]

shotgun does fall off at I think 15, but at that point u didnt bring the weapon for that anyways

[unreal nova]

I can shoot and kill across the bridges so, IDK.

[tall torrent]

Bolt pistol has inverse damage falloff for flak & unarmored but this doesn’t matter too much since you’ll just build for gunner 1HS at all ranges anyway

[quartz falcon]

just checked, bistol falls off at 40 mb

[frosty kayak]

well yes i tried that but its not satisfying or fun

[tall torrent]

Revolver has regular damage falloff

[frosty kayak]

its also very slow lol

[quartz falcon]

its funyn taht it does more at more than 10m

weird

anyways, my build does what it is supposed to :3

if i ever need optimization i have 12 better builds across all classes that can do anything lol

[unreal nova]

I mean, best use for Bolt Pistol is grenade build.

[tall torrent]

I hate boltpistol’s recoil and hipfire so much

[unreal nova]

You are just forced to ADS.

Or only single shot.

[tall torrent]

No, it has fairly good first shot hipfire accuracy

But the spread expansion doesn’t tighten up quickly

[unreal nova]

If you want to fire repeatedly.

Why the or only single shot.

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t matter, ADS still has a ton of recoil

And it’s jitter recoil where it’s modified based on your aim input

[unreal nova]

It's fine as a single shot, trying to shoot multiple times on hipfire...

[tall torrent]

Which they haven’t fixed

[unreal nova]

Not even controller aim assist helps, lul.

[unreal nova]

Still find it fine on ADS as long as I'm not playing on 250+ ping though.

[remote sonnet]

I would not call the bolt pistol a "dogshit" weapon. A little less consistence than mk2 revolver, but still quite versatile.

I find it better suits zealot better since they get less ranged buff than Vet.

Though, I'm enjoying the Mk14 fan revolver a little too much.

[quartz falcon]

Dogshit when half the roster outperforms it is sadly just what it is. Also vet channel so only vet counts, respectfully

[still crater]

WOMP WOMP

no ur wrong

boltpistol is good if you're not dogwater

[quartz falcon]

I'll always bring ze Flamer or Bolter on Zealot cuz it's such a great control/burst tool

[remote sonnet]

Also vet channel so only vet counts, respectfully
Ha ha.

[unreal nova]

So like I said multiple times. GRENADIER BUILD.

Specifically frag build.

[quartz falcon]

But even on Grenadier why not run sth better

[unreal nova]

Do you want a mini nuke?

[quartz falcon]

I nevet said you can't make it work (I did too)

[unreal nova]

That's how you get a mini nuke.

[quartz falcon]

But at base the weapon is a downgrade from even the base lasgun

[remote sonnet]

You are too good at the game now, I guess.

[unreal nova]

So I assume you god at headshots?

[quartz falcon]

I'd rather bring the toaster then

[unreal nova]

Cos the Inf Las sucks ass if you body shot at all.

[calm shard]

it's a slightly worse revolver with better suppression and inherent synergy with grenades (veterans strongest aspect)

infantry lasgun lives and dies by finesse damage if you are not hitting headshots/crits that gun sucks

[quartz falcon]

Decentish but yeah I mainly focus on headshots

[thick needle]

Returned to the Dark Tides for Havoc and Event Diamantine
The Plasmagun remains so clunky it almost makes you wish it wasn't good

[quartz falcon]

Hence, in tradition of the Jotunn, lovingly named the Toaster

[unreal nova]

Why else I rather just use something I find more comfortable, with the added bonus of just tossing two frags and hitting everything in a big area and thus, letting them all be marked for death via bleedout.

Also, staggering a room is funny.

[terse idol]

I mean the ilas is good

If it's slightly lower than the ilas damn

That's good

[thick needle]

Is the Chainsword usable for Havoc, 20-30 range?

[tame lodge]

Hordes would probably be too thick

And unsafe against Elites

[thick needle]

Yeah, probably
Powersword worked for 21 but it only really worked one way with Weapon Specialist

[remote sonnet]

If you try hard enough, yes.

[thick needle]

Does the Dueling Sword really have enough horde clear to survive paired with the Plasma?

[tame lodge]

DS has suboptimal horde clear

So leave it to your frags

Or the Psyker

[thick needle]

Y'all have psykers?

[unreal nova]

Always 2, and they usually run bubble as well.

[thick needle]

I've only seen Veterans and Zealots in varying combinations

[remote sonnet]

In Havoc, for many, Psyker is a must.

[unreal nova]

Also, Don't you always get 2 smykers now for the brute event?

Not even kidding.

[soft trellis]

Someone wants to know: does this talent count yourself as an ally?

[tall torrent]

No

If it did, it’d be a very good talent

But it doesn’t

[tough tiger]

Flamer zealots going face to face

[tall torrent]

I really wish veteran had an in-combat toughness source that’s not from kills/ability

[tough tiger]

I wish zealot has more innate toughness regen from melee kills

[unreal nova]

You mean OP.

[calm shard]

clearly exhilarating takedown should be a smaller percentage and apply to all kills

[tame lodge]

You need

Two points for that

Alternatively

[tough tiger]

Yeah but i dont wanna spend 2 points

[tame lodge]

Funny extra tg on kills build

[tough tiger]

[tall torrent]

Not necessarily op because it’d still require u to shoot at something 5m away from you when you could probably just melee

[tall torrent]

Still kill dependent which is the thing

Every other class has ways to gain toughness in combat without kills

[calm shard]

I mean vet has catch a breath which is like

trash

[soft trellis]

ty

[tall torrent]

Catch a breath is ok

[unreal nova]

You mean within 5m with a ranged weapon.

[tall torrent]

But it’s not gonna work when you’re stuck in melee

[tall torrent]

Up to 5m away, when u could just melee

It’d be better but it wouldn’t be “op”

[unreal nova]

Depends on what gun you have, i guess.

[tall torrent]

It’s not

[warm walrus]

jogging my memory real quick some weapons have variants right

Like combat axe

[tall torrent]

Most do

[warm walrus]

Okay

Yeah I heard rashad for combat axe

[unreal nova]

Might be fine for even Bolt Pistol or recon brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr memes.

[soft trellis]

rashad is the best of the 3 caxes, followed by the antax

[warm walrus]

Right. Brutal momentum is a gimme but what else?

[soft trellis]

headtaker

[tall torrent]

Not really worth outside of automatics tbh

[tall torrent]

Carapace + unarmored/elite
Brutal momentum
Headtaker

You need the 10% atk speed talent buried deep on right side

[soft trellis]

bromentum + headtaker is go-to on the antax and rashad

[warm walrus]

Will do

[soft trellis]

attack speed does wonderers for a caxe

[tall torrent]

Axe takes investment so you can’t run it effectively on every build
But it’s very strong (debatably the strongest) for veteran

[warm walrus]

Got it

Power sword was IIRC regarded as op when I stopped playing, how is it these days?

[soft trellis]

It's great for when things are going good, but, when you have to solo clutch it can be rough

[tough tiger]

Sluggish weapon

[tall torrent]

Strong, takes less investment than axe, sidegrade in many areas

[tough tiger]

Bad for mobility

[warm walrus]

Rog

[soft trellis]

has the lowest melee dodge aside from the relic blade and ogryn shield(both have the same dodge distance as the power sword)

-20% to -10% dodge distance

[warm walrus]

huh, i see

[tall torrent]

Nah

It’s the worst dodge on veteran

[warm walrus]

Last one for now, is there anything straight up unusable or can anything work given time

[tall torrent]

But not nearly the worst dodge in the game

[warm walrus]

My plan is just go with what is shiny until endgame

[soft trellis]

I mean dodge distance

for melee weapons

[warm walrus]

Perks/weapons

[tall torrent]

This is a bit misleading because the 3 human classes have different base dodge distance from ogryn

-10% for human classes is not the same as -10% for ogryn

Veteran, zealot and psyker have 2.5m dodge
Ogryn has 3m

[soft trellis]

Fair, I don't know those values. I do know the weapon modifiers are the same values(-20% to -10%)

[tall torrent]

Veteran & zealot have 0.25s dodge linger
Psyker has 0.2s dodge linger (0.3s with anticipation talent)
Ogryn has no dodge linger

[soft trellis]

Huh

[warm walrus]

Dodge linger?

[soft trellis]

so -20% on an ogryn means it still has 2.4m of dodge distance?

meanwhile -20% on human sized players is 2.0m?

[soft trellis]

Is that about right?

[tame lodge]

Casual Ogryn W

[unreal nova]

Why recon brrrrrrrr.

[tall torrent]

Yes

[tall torrent]

Yes

[tall torrent]

Well, not quite

Because when u add dodge linger, the human classes vastly outclass ogryns in terms of overall distance covered while in dodge state, and time in dodge state

[tall torrent]

There’s a duration after performing a dodge where the player character is still considered to be in a dodge state so that they cannot be tracked by enemy attacks

Dodges in DT do no have invulnerability frames like in souls games

They work by disabling enemies’ attacks’ tracking

If u dodge into an ongoing enemy attack’s hitbox (that wasn’t targeting you), you can still be hit

[tame lodge]

(did that against crushers)

[ripe totem]

I just switched back to veteran

my god why did I ever leave

[tall torrent]

Is that not how dodge linger works?

No like, dodge linger doesn’t have anything to do with the dodge’s distance iirc

Isn’t it just a timer

I’ll check later

Right yea

[loud belfry]

i actually have no clue how dodging in this game works I will not lie. I've come to believe there are no iframes when I need them most but somehow you can dodge some boss attacks that blatantly hit you

[crimson pebble]

i still get caught by burgle tail attks more then id like to admit

[tame lodge]

dodges in place

[tall torrent]

So would this be correct

“Dodges have invulnerability frames but they do not persist through the whole dodge animation”

Does dodge linger have invulnerability frames

Or is it just disabled tracking

[graceful surge]

what does vet have to handle crowds excluding charged powersword

[tall torrent]

Combat axe

[crisp oak]

shovel

heby sword

debil sword

[ripe totem]

grenade

duelling sword with agile

[tame lodge]

Chainsword

[pure kindle]

In addition to what everyone's already listed: drop Wrath on anything you feel like (and if so, feel free to use Cleave Targets as the dump stat) and you'll be swiping through whatever you encounter after a few cuts.

[hollow ibex]

DB shotgun best horde clear

[tame lodge]

Lawbringer

[terse idol]

No

Damn i wish I knew how wrath worked for most weapons

[pure kindle]

You cut through more dudes each swing

[terse idol]

Like, tsk I feel like most weapons

Benefit and gain more cleave from just being innately good at cleave

or having Brutal momentum

[pastel pumice]

Any recommendations for a fun Dclaw setup? Blessing and Perks

[terse idol]

When you pick cleave I deel like in most cases you're losing out on things that would have made the weapon beterrr

[terse idol]

Iirc there is a cleave limit

The best cleave in the game coming from like brutal momentum has a maximum amount it can cleave

[calm shard]

on like 10 weapons, and only specific attacks

unless you're the chainaxe in which case get fucked cleave limit of 4 on everything

[tall torrent]

no

[tall torrent]

BM is not +cleave

BM works in a very unique way

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/this-fucking-sucks-crying-girl-tears-of-joy-clapping-danny-devito-gif-12766761978490409957

[tall torrent]

[orchid hemlock]

i refuse to believe this is real

[normal sparrow]

Kek

[terse idol]

WOAH

Knowldge

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent How much did you spend to get your god roll plasma again

im just curious

[odd fox]

wow, did my first lights out mission and i felt like i was in the first trailer for the game, by the throne.

[faint beacon]

Extremely hated modifier but I personally enjoy it

[odd fox]

i personally think it would be cool if there was a chance to have the power go out randomely in normal missions, very cool effect

[tame lodge]

It gets really atmospheric on the mercantile mission
Right before the brewery

[faint beacon]

Have you done Dark Commune?

The entire fucking start with Lights out is super cinematic

First time I caught myself stopping to take in the view for a very long time

[tame lodge]

I haven't seen that yet

[faint beacon]

All the lights

including the cathedral can be seen

[odd fox]

also drip, finally got this helmet, time to keep going for the havoc set.

[faint beacon]

dimly lighting everything up

outside of that its super dark

like its- really fucking cool looking

[odd fox]

would be cool to have Moebian 21st/53rd themed frames

[faint beacon]

I am incredibly dissapointed to announce

it took 1 Million Ordo's

for One Defence dumpstat

1

Its getting the name of shame

[pastel pumice]

The Chosen One

[faint beacon]

Positive there's a 21st Insignia

[hollow ibex]

in b4 empowering fucks up the stats

[tall torrent]

Somewhere like maybe 5M dockets?

[tall torrent]

Recon 21st, it’s only available to those with the Moebian 21st recon pack

[hard oracle]

just curious but why go 75 damage 65 thermal is there a cut off there that allows for another shot ?

bc if so im gonna have to switch up that would be great

[tall torrent]

The actual perfect roll is
80 damage
80 stopping power
80 ammo
68-69 thermal resist
71-72 charge rate

[hard oracle]

ahhh yes that makes more sense

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1320193756800090195/Screenshot_2024-12-21_195819.png?ex=678d9fbf&is=678c4e3f&hm=1125777b0957e9226539c4a5662274feb780b32f6b614605118a31cd570901fb&

[hard oracle]

mannnnnnnn im gonna be so poor for the extra shot

[tall torrent]

If ur broke, go for 60% thermal resist dump

It’s a QoL bonus that usually isn’t required

But faster charge rate is straight up higher fire rate = better dps

Also makes the weapon feel better to shoot

[sturdy karma]

Does anyone know if there is any behind the scenes shennigans around spread or damage drop off for why the Accatran Shotgun on paper completely bodies the other too for damage/reload

I have been running around play testing the Zarona to see if that secondary shot can do anything but its damage seems wayyy off to what the tooltip says

[normal sparrow]

Damage per shot =/= damage per pellet
Look up shotgun minimum pellets

[tall torrent]

It has worse damage falloff

But higher damage per shot at close range

It also has higher pellet count than the other 2

But worse spread

[halcyon blaze]

I haven't played one yet but every video of one looks so cool, that panic when you see the eyes of a horde coming out of the darkness.

[frail citrus]

Is trying to do havoc 40 on console as a veteran just suicide?

[tall torrent]

No, u need to play with a good team tho

[frail citrus]

Ahh the hardest part

[tall torrent]

Havoc is very punishing on mistakes that newer players tend to make as well

[frail citrus]

Naturally, I'm trying my best to pull as much weight as I can, but I'm still not 100% used to anything past 35. Any tips?

[tall torrent]

What weapons are u using

And what do u find yourself struggling most against

[frail citrus]

Plasma and dueling sword. Usually get stuffed in a room close quarters with maniacs and crushers

In the attempt to stick somewhat close to my team

[grand perch]

For console I'd think grenade spam build is the way to go

[tall torrent]

Are u meleeing a lot

[frail citrus]

I've got shredders demo stock pile and team going

[frail citrus]

Like Jack The Ripper in a red light district

[tall torrent]

I think you may need to work on positioning

Usually you don’t want to get stuck in a small room with them in the first place

[frail citrus]

I definitely agree with that. I'm still a bit new to it

[grand perch]

It sounds like the team may need to fall back more, to better positions

[austere mica]

Try a slow weapon

[tall torrent]

Duelling sword is also not the greatest for veteran vs elite waves

[austere mica]

Something like Thunder Hammer, Eviscerator, Relic Blade

[tall torrent]

He specifies veteran

[austere mica]

They make you very mindful of your footwork

[frail citrus]

Yeahhhhh I've noticed it struggles a bit. Any suggestions?

[grand perch]

But Mr E says you're throwing if you don't use DS

[austere mica]

Vets slowest weapon is Chaxe and it feels terrible

[tall torrent]

Combat axe / power sword

[frail citrus]

Lol

[tall torrent]

Veteran’s worst dodge is power sword

[austere mica]

Yeah but it has extremely good horde clear

Thunder hammer has extremely mid horde clear and is slow

Very nice to learn how to not die horribly if force to move backwards

[tall torrent]

Are u very new to DT or

[frail citrus]

Played a shit ton of vermintide 2, but I've got 150 hours on darktide 2?

[austere mica]

What classes do you have at 30

[frail citrus]

Just veteran right now

[austere mica]

Try everyone else

It helps you learn your role much better

[tall torrent]

psyker (bubble + inferno) is easier to play and has higher impact for team than veteran

zealot (chorus) is extremely safe and high impact but can be a bit boring at times

veteran generally requires a very active playstyle and he doesn't have as high impact moves as the other 3 classes

[tough tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/uni-cat-gif-16508948274886257497

[austere mica]

Zealot makes you learn how to dive and play extremely aggressively in melee, ogryn lets you learn positioning and very slow weapons, psyker lets you learn toughness and resource management on account of being made of glass

[wanton dawn]

THERE IS ONLY WAR

I get your point though. Continue

[frail citrus]

Duly noted, I'm think I'll probably go zealot then just for raw efficiency

[tall torrent]

Typically veteran’s role is to snipe dangerous enemies from afar and participate in melee brawls vs elites with frag spam + melee, also feed ammo and gold toughness to his team

All at around the same time

You actually have to fight everything with all the tools you have

[frail citrus]

I've definitely felt that through and through. Fighting with tooth and nail with every ounce I have

[austere mica]

Zealot is a very strong damage frontliner who leans fully into melee and is surprisingly resilient if you can mind your feet

You basically don’t need a gun on account of their right grenade

[tall torrent]

Zealot has 2 main play styles for havoc

Chorus is super high value team support, whereas fury of the faithful is much higher DPS & mobility

[austere mica]

They can also do some insane trading because of two of their abilities

[austere mica]

FotF can also be used to survive stuff you really shouldn’t because of how it’s immunity works

Total immunity during the dash

[tall torrent]

I also strongly recommend u learn how to fight multiple ragers in melee with as few resources used as possible while minimizing damage taken

[austere mica]

Lets you tank bursters and overheads if you’re good with it

[tall torrent]

Most new players fold very quickly to ragers while trying to kill crushers and maulers

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1324605503191388220/Rager_electric_boogaloo.mp4?ex=6778c281&is=67777101&hm=30ab0a12a294228bf8b3defea911311727c208b942d51984fd325d6a2854c977&

This should be helpful

[frail citrus]

Ahhhh okay I see the difference now

[tall torrent]

Scab rager also has much higher mass so you can hit far fewer of them compared to dregs

But they don’t engage in combo until they get close

So u can dodge out of their range and delay them

[austere mica]

They also have a nasty habit of absorbing high cleave guns if you use them

[tall torrent]

Whereas dodging out of their range will cause Dreg ragers to enter their much more threatening running combo

[tawny badger]

did someone say dreg rager

[tall torrent]

So you want to actually control your distance to be within their standard combo’s engagement range

Whereas for scab there’s more leeway to distance

[frail citrus]

Definitely felt that with the plasma gun not penetrating through

[tall torrent]

They wear carapace armor on torso which blocks cleave

[austere mica]

The carapace chestplates were a neat change

[frail citrus]

So learn to dance with the drug addicts, should be easy enough

[tall torrent]

You need to headshot to cleave through which can be unreliable against them

[tall torrent]

[tall torrent]

Now they just gotta give scab gunner carapace chest

[austere mica]

The horrors

[tall torrent]

And make them actual elite hellgunners

[tall torrent]

Nah

Just headshot them

They’re not much harder to headshot

[austere mica]

(My aim is shit)

[tall torrent]

Compared to ragers who move their heads like they’re on crack (they actually are)

[tough tiger]

carapace gunners 🙏

flak crushers 🙏

[grand perch]

hardest head to hit outside bosses is poxburster imo

[frail citrus]

Aside from the occasional 98 ragers in a gas station bathroom scenario, I'm comfortable fighting ranged enemies, bosses, etc

[tough tiger]

but are u comfortable with fighting one gunner in havoc

[frail citrus]

I'm chilling

[normal sparrow]

5 shooters want to know your location

[warm bolt]

8 snipers already know it and are calculating a perfect shot to immediately knock you down as a poxburster is coming from the top ropes

[frail citrus]

Chris Kyle himself came back from the grave to snipe you

[normal sparrow]

Thats less threathening, they have some decency to show theyre aiming at you

[warm bolt]

[normal sparrow]

Meanwhile shooters just oops, down on the floor

[warm bolt]

"Be polite" is the first rule after all

[warm bolt]

One blink of light like they're some B-tier 2000s anime character

[dapper plank]

Veteran had my worst early levels experience by far, until i got to lvl 10 for the rapier

recon lasgun was also pretty nice, when i got it.

[dry cloak]

there is no rapier in darktide

[warm walrus]

i have a kantrael iv and i have no idea how to build it
what are perks and blessings to look for?

[dry cloak]

what weapon is this?

infatry lasgun?

[radiant finch]

yes

[dry cloak]

headhunter ghost

[tall torrent]

Which weapon

There’s no kantrael IV in the game anymore

There’s IIb, VII and IX

[warm walrus]

oh! Then yeah infantry lasgun

[tall torrent]

Which infantry lasgun

[warm walrus]

VII i think its the starter one

[tall torrent]

Ghost
Headhunter / falter

[warm walrus]

Got it, thanks

Perks?

[tall torrent]

Flak + maniac

[warm walrus]

thank you, will do

[dapper plank]

rapier is the best weapon in darktide

[dry cloak]

there is no weapon called rapier in darktide

there is dueling sword

[dapper plank]

Rapier

[warm bolt]

Saltzpyre-ahh

[tall torrent]

Nah

[dim niche]

if im getting lag spikes could it be caused by mods?

[odd sparrow]

possibly but most mods dont really performance that much

[warm bolt]

Yeah it's a coin toss between servers acting up and mods

[tall torrent]

Most likely server
Most mods have no impact on performance afaik

There’re some exceptions like those that change graphics options may affect performance

For the drip and weapon customization may negatively affect performance

[sturdy karma]

You can have FPS issues if you are running power di with auto save on

My big issue is memory leak bug my garbage ass 3080 with 10gb or VRAM

4 missions then I gotta restart game

[limpid turret]

what mark do you fellas prefer/recommend for the combat axe?

[wanton dawn]

Garbage 3080

Queue ppl with 70x series

[sturdy karma]

Heh card is fine I think it’s the 10gb of ram that doesn’t cut it anymore

[sturdy karma]

Rashad is the goated combat axe

[tender rose]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/i-fixed-stutter-and-textures-not-loading-in-texutre-streaming-config-file-change/102199

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/fullscreen-optimisations-are-not-enabled-for-darktide-fix-included/103471

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You can do a few things to keep the game from crashing and make game play smoother.

The added memory allocation for mods does a lot if you use them.

The forums links are for engine optimizations that help gameplay in general, and seem to have removed at least a bit of the crashing for me.

I'd recommend them even if you have no issues.

They stabilize low fps dips and stop stuttering.

[austere mica]

Sabre

I’m 3 hours late

But it’s a Sabre

One sided curved blade with a full hand guard

[wanton dawn]

Might be right but you still get an HEMA nerd warning ticket

[austere mica]

I don’t even do hema I just know things

[wanton dawn]

Two and you get a m'lady citation

[wanton dawn]

That's a general ticket nerd then

[light ridge]

I used to fence, I can confirm that the duelling sword are indeed sabers
Sabers are the only fencing blade that will use a slashing attack, fun weapon for sparring the slashes can hurt even through the protective gear
Foil en rapier are designed for stabbing only

[grand perch]

unyielding is usually a flex pick on DS and you get more value from elite or maniac
keep their heads down is a really weird pick and basically only useful for havoc, i dont see any point in using it with DB

fully loaded + superiority complex is fine but id prefer these 2 points on +25 toughness and bring it down

rest looks good to me

maybe switch 1 toughness curio for health to reach 200 health

[dry cloak]

manstopper scattershot

[wanton dawn]

I feel like ds with ws/agile is a bit underwhelming

I guess because it doesnt help ds4 that much ?

[grand perch]

ds + db with ws is absolutely bonkers

[wanton dawn]

I could see it but havent seen a shotgun build on vet that works on more than hope and dream

[wanton dawn]

I test my build in auric malstrom

[warm bolt]

What's your build btw?

[dry cloak]

i test my build on normal damnation

[sharp moon]

any tips for building lasgun for near unlimited ammo? .)

[unreal nova]

Shocktrooper+crits, what else?

[pastel pumice]

I dodged a Mister E video

He was open-queuing H40s

[light ridge]

Since Zealot chat is pointless and I want to try THammer again
Maybe someone here can help to advice what Blessings and Perks I should put on a Crucis?

[sharp moon]

apart of that, which lasgun and how to increase my crit to max? .) what other talents to suplement it? ty

[dry cloak]

you choose between helbore infatry lasgun and recon lasgun

and recon lasgun is the best

[sharp moon]

rn, i found this build i used back in the day
sure, recon, but there are more marks, there is for sure one most effective? .)

[light ridge]

Taken Voice of Command without the left sub-node is pointless

[dawn garnet]

nah it still applies a bunch of other buffs

boneless VoC users tho are either really good or really bad

no middle grounds

[light ridge]

But you're missing out on the best buff in the game

[unreal nova]

But you can do it with exe at that point.

[sharp moon]

i ll be glad for all the help, i took voice bcs it is lifesaver in many situations, i should probably take ammo aura? also do Deadshot works with lasgun? or only with the braced guns?

if u could point me out to some good basic build to modify i ll be glad .)

[unreal nova]

INF ammo and no survivalist, weh?

[sharp moon]

as i said, i made this buld very long time ago, i mostly played psyker, so it will suck for sure xD

[unreal nova]

Deadshot works with every gun.

Even shotguns.

Is a bad idea with automatics though.

I can even show you why.

+6 stam will not save you.

Is good if you go inf or hellbore.

Recon... Unless you are a master of duck and dive... RIP stam.

[sharp moon]

well, i am not xD ok

[unreal nova]

You'll be perma 0 stam in any combat situations you need to aim down sights.

Unless you steal all the blue stims.

Then you'll sit at like, 10-20% stam after 2-3 crusher kills.

This is with the meme onslaught build. don't shoot at crushers otherwise.

[wanton dawn]

My main build for single vet in h40 is plasma+ps with frag surv voc mark. I take elite dmg, mark with left node, agile and tinkerer

[warm bolt]

I see, i see, thanks!

[latent parcel]

You playing? I need a carry!

[vernal trench]

thats too meta

[latent parcel]

CHONKY!

[vernal trench]

u should run executioner stance

[vernal trench]

metagay

[unreal nova]

I see 3 carries, carry my True Survivor lul.

[vernal trench]

did u finally stop playing heresy

[unreal nova]

Auric heresy counts?

[vernal trench]

no

yes

its still heresy

[unreal nova]

Still, technically not.

[vernal trench]

heresy is heresy cmon

time to step it up and do some damnations

[unreal nova]

Look, I don't wanna play blind or blind event missions.

[vernal trench]

yea i skip ligths out half the time as well

[unreal nova]

Don't enjoy crusher pack when blinded.

stealth crusher pack.

[vernal trench]

lmfao

[wanton dawn]

Am in other house rn, cant

Maybe if i go now i can in 30

[unreal nova]

But ans is, If I play with some without lag, damnation, auric or no, is fine. If I lag, I'm just dead.

[latent parcel]

up to you.

ill be around

chonky needs to pick me up while im getting crusher over headed with infiltrate

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, see yah in 30

[sharp moon]

for recon lasgun mobility is dump stat? got on first try this so i hope so xD

[unreal nova]

Mobility is fine, some say dump collateral though.

[sharp moon]

second try... gonna bet today xD

[unreal nova]

Honestly, the diff is small enough to not worry.

[latent parcel]

Karien!

is it damnation time or what

[unreal nova]

I AM HAVING DINNER/SUPPER REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[latent parcel]

😦

i always forget ur timezone is so far ahead of mine

what time is it for you

[unreal nova]

9:42pm.

[latent parcel]

holy smokes

why supper so late

[unreal nova]

This is supper time.

.-.

Early even.

[latent parcel]

o

[unreal nova]

This is technically very late dinner but still.

[latent parcel]

eh doesnt matter

[unreal nova]

But fud gud.

[latent parcel]

ya

[vernal trench]

lmfao

i played iwth a guy who was ogryn and zealot and he would jsut charge in and kill everything

cant beat his dps

[wanton dawn]

Alrighty den

[dry cloak]

how does this look?

i dont care about single stats i have thme where i want them

[vernal trench]

i gotta see this shit in havoc

[dry cloak]

then test it yourself

i look for opinion at auric level not havoc

[vernal trench]

I tried heavy las pistol on auric and it was aids i had to use an autoclicker to not get carpel tunnel

[crisp oak]

how are you running it (build wise)

[wanton dawn]

@latent parcel man got that sweet overkill dmg

[latent parcel]

421k!

more then my actual damage. hilarious

[wanton dawn]

DS does that yeah. The bayonet experience

my h40 is a vent purge

[vernal trench]

Ive ditched ds

Knife spam

[thorn lark]

So, a laser weapon has recoil, right?

[formal ice]

Do you have noodle arms to it to have recoil?

[thorn lark]

Apparently

[grand perch]

sir isaac newton continues to be the deadliest son of a bitch in space

[unreal nova]

To be fair, if you fly down deep pits...

[warm bolt]

Well in-lore they sometimes add recoil to some lasgun models to make it more natural to use

But 1. in lore those same lasguns have auto fire mode and 2. kantrael doesnt have artificial recoil iirc

[grand perch]

what? where

[warm bolt]

They mention fire mode choice a lot in guard books and as for artificial recoil i think it was in some older codex?

In fact helbore lasguns are supposed to have full auto mode as per Dead Men Walking, where they use full auto helbores to melt necrons with concentrated fire

[unreal nova]

Where toggle reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

I wish they just made inspect a toggle for some guns.

[warm bolt]

exactly smh

[thorn lark]

Til

[stoic thorn]

I need the cadian vet to talk about cadia more

He's not selling cadia enough

GW needs their cadia sells

[calm shard]

guy talks about Cadia so much like he's trying to sell you a pouch of Cadia dust

[stoic thorn]

He wouldn't

It's his cadia dust

Did the cadian vet actually fight on Cadia

[grand perch]

firemode choice i do remember, but nothing about artificial recoil in 3rd to 5th codex

[warm bolt]

So much so they VOC'd Cadia back

[warm bolt]

Huh

Honestly i dont remember where that thing started, but people do mention forge worlds putting artificial recoil into lasguns, and in gaunts ghosts and dawn of war lasguns do have recoil

[stoic thorn]

How cadia could've beat the Blackstone fortress:

Step one: get about 3 regiments worth of cadians with VoC
Step two: Blackstone comes down
Step three: all VoC at the same time, Blackstone flies back into orbit and the Despoiler turns into a smoothie

If Step three fails:
Step four: cadia just ricochets the damn thing due to having golden toughness lmao

[warm bolt]

[terse idol]

iirc it was tested

Well the recons to have no recoil

That was moved on however

I mean in lore you could just turn off the tracer or at least long las's can, but recons allowed to have abit of recoil 😌

As a treat

[warm bolt]

Dont recons already have no recoil in-game?

Or like no recoil compared to kantrael

[terse idol]

They do have some recoil iirc

[quartz falcon]

Barely noticeable

[unreal nova]

Minor, unless controller. Aimassist compensates so hard lul.

[toxic leaf]

they have spread, if you are using those 2 terms interchangeably

[unreal nova]

Naw, the gun moves a tiny bit.

[dire olive]

I always imagined if laser weapons ever had recoil it would be to do with the rapid heat expansion of gases and water vapour directly in front of them

Like what lightning does

[toxic leaf]

or because nobody can hold anything with steady hands that isnt a robit

[wanton dawn]

@latent parcel so, how the revolver feel ?

[latent parcel]

that was my bolt pistol

[wanton dawn]

Rofl

[latent parcel]

its good. just doesnt do alot of dmg

poor zealot was using a revolver

[wanton dawn]

Ah, guess that's what i saw

Am good for now, I need to do other stuff

[latent parcel]

same. ggs!

[terse idol]

I'd believe that

[terse idol]

NOW TO BE FAIR

Surgeons got some pretty steady handss

[thorn lark]

That I can understand. But recoil is a bit much.

Warhammer works in strange ways

[terse idol]

As far as I can tell it just feels more natural to have recoil

Least in the gaame

It would have some weird disconnect if you were perfectly still when shooting a lasgun imo

[dire olive]

Would it feel more natural if people had been used to using lasers for thousands of years at this point?

Idk how much I buy that justification

Like sure maybe for us in the 21st century

I've used a training rifle with artificial recoil before

It's neat

But like in 40k these guys have been trained on lasers from the start

Just seems like extra parts to maintain

And comfort/familiarity doesn't seem like something the Imperium would invest in

[unreal nova]

Possibly just mods that stuck around for some maybe.

[calm shard]

The imperium doesn't invest in things

They have to dig up new ideas from centuries past

The reason the lasers have recoil could very much be that it was used for familiarity milennia ago, and to remove that feature would be tech heresy

probably why the heretics have zero recoil lasguns

[dire olive]

Or fatshark didn't want to animate them

[calm shard]

but they did for the dregs

who don't use lasguns

or I guess stalkers broadly not just dregs

[dire olive]

I've never really payed that close attention tbf

[calm shard]

one of the cooler details of the game is how the dreg gunners voice gets distorted as the recoil of their heavy stubber shakes them

[stoic thorn]

Fatshark just gave us recoil because no recoil lasguns felt bad to play with

The heretics have no such qualms

[terse idol]

Maybe the heretics do have recoil

Or well the scab gunners

Only in their own pov however

Outwardly you don't see the adjustments they make

[unreal nova]

Lazy animation classic. You get highly detailed slashes and swings on your screen, people see that 1 attack all the time.

XD

[terse idol]

😌

I yearn for more games where you see what your body is doing in the world

[unreal nova]

I mean, it's basically L4D2 animation jokes. More so if you have modded weapon stuff.

On my screen, it's slashes and stabs with a melee gun at times... Another player just sees basic swing.

[eternal flare]

is this a good axe?

[wanton dawn]

not really

its fine

Melk bucks are kinda unimportant nowadays

[dry cloak]

I sometimes biy from him to save on resources

[neat sphinx]

"unimportant" is an understatement, I have 209 000 of them, nothing to spend them on.

[unreal nova]

You don't gamble on curios?

[neat sphinx]

I have the curios I want.

[hollow ibex]

melks was really the premium ccurrency before the rework

so important for t4 blessings

[calm shard]

commissary but for melk bucks and it lets us purchase some of the commodore stuff that hasn't been in rotation for ages?

[neat sphinx]

Besides, 99% of the curios you get from Melk are useless, and I don't want to spend hours for a chance that I might get something I can use

[hollow ibex]

now it's probably the least valuable currency lol

[eternal flare]

so something like this is better?

I'm just returning

[hollow ibex]

usable, but you'd need to replace the blessings and potentially perks

[neat sphinx]

For veteran I'd rather use that power sword over that axe.

[eternal flare]

which one?

[loud belfry]

all you care about is the stat distribution. everything else can be modified. for a power sword you should seek mobility to be at 60 (i think? the stat that should be 60 (the "dump stat") changes between weapons)

in other words this psword isn't perfect and never will be. would be better off buying shit off the armory exchange and upgrading them.

[hollow ibex]

you'll prob need to conver it to mk6, upgrade the cara perk to max, replace sprint with elite, and then get power cycler 4 and brumentum

[neat sphinx]

It's a good enough sword essentially, just get it, don't hesitate.

[eternal flare]

is moblity a dump stat for all of them or just most?

[hollow ibex]

PS can dumb mobility or cleave targets

[neat sphinx]

Depends on class and play style, well, depends on many things

[hollow ibex]

i will say mobility on it is very ass though

so you might not want to dump mob, though ultimately doesn't make a big difference lol

gonna be ass anyway

[neat sphinx]

For Veteran, mobility isn't that useful, yes. Other classes can use it tho.

[eternal flare]

so this is the target?

[terse idol]

Disagree

Mobility is pretty bad alot of the time if only because the other dump is like

Dump on your damage

Or things that effect damage

[unreal nova]

Power sword is cleave targets.

Cos if you aren't powering it, it's dook anyway.

[terse idol]

Or dump ammo

You don't wanna dump anmo

[neat sphinx]

We're talking about melee weapons, not guns.

[loud belfry]

does cleave targets not help when it's powered on?

[unreal nova]

From memory, it's more than enough then to not bother.

It really only affects the unpowered side.

[crisp oak]

Its either that or cleave targets on the psword

[unreal nova]

But then you might as well use a heavy sword or something else.

[terse idol]

Its the saame

Least psword is different because of funny charge

[neat sphinx]

It's underwhelming, but usable even when unpowered. Though it's really easy to power it since the rework.

[terse idol]

Mobility just isn't useful for most melee weapons either

[eternal flare]

so the Psword I already have is good enough

[neat sphinx]

Yes

[eternal flare]

anything need to change?

[terse idol]

Change slaughter for either sunder or BM

[austere mica]

Replace slaughterer with brutal momentum

[terse idol]

Brutal momentum

[neat sphinx]

Your resources are quite low, so I doubt you can change

[calm shard]

the only class that shouldn't be dumping mobility/defences every time is Psyker because Warp Resistance is worse most of the time

[austere mica]

Infested needs to go

[terse idol]

I'd definelty make sure to check the pins for the vet guide too

@eternal flare

[neat sphinx]

Nah, let the man discover his own way to play the game.

[terse idol]

They asked for help

[terse idol]

We got resources here

We got resources in the vet compendium

Folks answer questions

[calm shard]

in a game where the majority of talent and blessing descriptions are misleading, wrong, or incomplete?

[terse idol]

Its like ah

[neat sphinx]

And help they did get, but a guide? Nah

[terse idol]

Its like the issue with knowing how things affect stuff

You don't always take the rending talent because rending isn't useful for all guns, the game won't tell you this

[terse idol]

I mean

Its good...

To use both resources

[orchid hemlock]

5000 years of human writing development has led us to this momment 😭

[terse idol]

How do you know cleave damage is the stat to dump on a psword

[neat sphinx]

Well, nobody said that this game is that well made.

[terse idol]

I mean

[warm bolt]

Or what the cleave blessing on helbore does

[terse idol]

Its well made but like alooot of stats and what they do is

Isn't intuitive

[terse idol]

Or the effect of the cleave blessing on the helbore to melee weapons

since hotshot applies to you melee weapon too, but it only has benefits on some melee weapons

Its very strange!

[warm bolt]

Waitwhat

[terse idol]

Yeah

The talent that cleaves when you hit a weakspot is always on

It applies to your melee weapon

[neat sphinx]

As someone who has played since Beta, all I can say is, it is a product. It's better than it was, but no, it is not well made.

[warm bolt]

Wait so i can take a helbore with that blessing and just keep hitting weakspots with melee and get hella horde clear?

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent someone has some "criticism" towards your guide

[hollow ibex]

true, i still stand by the belief that the guide shouldve been split into 200 tiktoks

[warm bolt]