veteran-class

[tall torrent]

so roughly 19% extra dmg

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-funnt-cat-black-cat-sleepy-cat-gif-16409614852005252877

[tall torrent]

this doesn't seem like a big difference

[calm shard]

I was not passing math for most of my time in school

[tall torrent]

but when u have multiple damage bonuses in different multiplicative brackets

applied on a damage value that's quite high

the difference is there

[calm shard]

at least it's not worse than it says it is

[tall torrent]

yea, unlike finesse

[calm shard]

whats wrong with finesse

[tall torrent]

oh boy

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/hyena-ears-gif-10921678928573059212

[tall torrent]

just read this ig

[calm shard]

I feel I have asked a dangerous question

[broken spade]

yeah i bet it's some extra decrease to your damage if your adm is low enough to make that dink sound against armor

[tall torrent]

most likely

[calm shard]

oh so it's the same shenaniganry as the critical/weakspot damage on weapons only being applied to the bonus damage from a crit/headshot

[tall torrent]

that's "finesse" yea

it's also why zealot's duellist is broken

because it's 2 bonuses

[calm shard]

yeah because it's seperate

[tall torrent]

crit
and weakspot

[calm shard]

so it doesn't suffer the same way

[tall torrent]

so if u do crit-weakspot

[calm shard]

same for vets precision strikes or whatever it's called

[tall torrent]

u get 2 bonuses stacked additively on top

[tall torrent]

no

precision strikes is just weakspot

desperado is just total finesse

when they add up, to a crit-weakspot melee hit, u get +55% finesse

but for duellist

on a crit-weakspot hit, u get both +50% crit finesse and +50% weakspot finesse

these 2 stack additively

for 100% total

plus u might have precognition for another 60%

for 160% total

now it gets into ludicrous numbers

[calm shard]

yeah you can definitely feel that in game

finesse boosts feel hardly noticable unless they're comically massive numbers, but the individual crit/weakspot boosts are huge

[hollow ibex]

semantics, but crit/weakspot bonuses are finesse

[calm shard]

I did not just have veteran steam guide guy throw the book at me about the difference between them for you to say this to me

[hollow ibex]

technically they're all parts of finesse

[tall torrent]

it's not remotely close to a book

yet

[bleak cradle]

[calm shard]

a pamphlet?

a brochure?

one singular newspaper clipping?

[tall torrent]

The section I showed u is very short

[slow spade]

Finesse = damage 😎

[odd summit]

does infectious zeal also effect you, or only your allies?

[tall torrent]

Gives teammates 10% crit chance, doesn’t affect self

It’s not worth taking unless you play chorus support in havoc

[orchid hemlock]

LMAO

[gritty mural]

the plastic standard lol

[sterile tendon]

@orchid hemlock I need a build that’s good for crowd control

This autogun stuff ain’t cutting it

[tame lodge]

Bistol LP Frag

https://tenor.com/view/posted-up-jesterott-gif-2048668175529480731

[sterile tendon]

What

Bolt pistol

I ain’t a space marine

[tame lodge]

That's right
Exactly why you use a Locke pattern boltgun instead of a Godwyn pattern

Anyways

Lethal Proximity buffs your frags

[sterile tendon]

lol well I need money

broke

[burnt vortex]

Is there any reason to run one recon mark over the other or does it all come out the same via the tree

[hollow ibex]

they do different things

mk xii is the meme with brrrrrt

mk vi has better ammo econ

mk xiv is the slowest one but has cleave

[burnt vortex]

Does that mean xiv does better on elites and hordes?

[empty aurora]

i know its absolutely not meta but for some reason i vibe so hard with the Graia Mk VII Vigilant Autogun im gonna be so sad when i cant use it in truly endgame content

[hollow ibex]

kinda, but tbh you're better off running vi most of the time

infernus is quite strong atm and xiv isn't good for infernus

fires too slowly

[empty aurora]

i like using xiv as personal preference

[hollow ibex]

xiv is good, just not in havoc

[empty aurora]

but i can absolutely tell that the other models are just better 9/10

i tend to prefer slow accurate shooting

[tame lodge]

3 cleave

*both bombers

*not havoc

[burnt vortex]

I'm perfectly fine in auric. Havoc sounds like too much of a hassle

[tall torrent]

XIV is good

[tame lichen]

definitelty one of those modes I stop caring about once you clear 40

[burnt vortex]

There a but? Besides havoc viability earlier mentioned

Doesn't your rank degrade if you don't play or something.

[tame lichen]

yeah, but once you clear 40 and get the titles , you can pretty much join any party finder lobby

[tame lodge]

For the XIV? Yeah 2 ammo per shot
But it's a recon so the ammo economy ain't that bad

[burnt vortex]

Thanks

[empty aurora]

i love two tapping maulers with the Graia Mk VII autogun

[empty aurora]

just wish the AdMec would hurry up and rediscover the AGOC

[bitter vessel]

what does activating the saw on the chainsword even do?

[unreal nova]

Makes it sticky and rip and tear through armor. More or less. Also bleed.

[bitter vessel]

oh so its mainly good for carapace type situations?

or bosses

[unreal nova]

Big lone enemies, yeah.

It's funni on charging muties though.

[bitter vessel]

whats the point of the blessing that increases your cleave on it then?

[unreal nova]

Normal attacks, I think?

I don't use it as much.

I assumed the activating saw to be pressing the special.

[bitter vessel]

yep

[empty aurora]

I don't like the "stickiness" of the chain weapons

[dry cloak]

one mark of chainsword has it only on special iirc

[burnt stump]

Helpful mutant :)

[low shale]

Can 3 Space Marines kill a BloodThirster

Blood Angels

Just an interesting lore question I thought about

[dry cloak]

if they are named and helmetless? then yes

[low shale]

Lmao

[dry cloak]

if not then no

thats grey knights job

[unreal nova]

Just named might be enough. but Shrugs.

[low shale]

Why wouldn't they win?

Couldn't some flank and not attack on the same front

Holy it late 😅

[unreal nova]

Marines die to even a kid firing a plasma gun.

Bolters will shred them.

[dry cloak]

bloodthirter is a greater demon of khorne

[dry cloak]

no they can tank few bolter shots

[low shale]

What about Cultists with Auto pistols 😅

[unreal nova]

Yes, but a full clip with a touch of luck can kill.

[dry cloak]

yes

[dry cloak]

cultist get run over by them sprinting at 50km/h

[low shale]

Lol

[dry cloak]

yes that how fast spacemarines run in full armor

[low shale]

Thats real?

[dry cloak]

yeah

[unreal nova]

And remember, Bloodthirsters can be said to be stronger than oggys... And well, an oggy can tear apart multiple marines.

[dry cloak]

this is a bloodthirster if someone forgot how they look

[dry cloak]

and yes bloodthirster are certailny stronger than ogryns

[unreal nova]

So 3 noname SM? Yeah, they are basically dead.

Nothing more than offering to the blood god at that point.

[low shale]

Would Nurgle and Khorn work together?

[dry cloak]

no

[low shale]

I don't mean happily

[dry cloak]

chaos god rarely work together to knock other chaos god down a peg

like they beat the shit out of tzeentch

[low shale]

Is that Deception and dreams?

[unreal nova]

Unless there's a really good reason to... naw.

They are mostly out to screw each other over so nobody wins.

[dry cloak]

yeah

[low shale]

Kinda hope they have the other Hive city we heard about be another one

[dry cloak]

nope

[low shale]

Forgot where I heard there was something wrong with another hive city on the planet

[dry cloak]

genestealer cults imo

we already fight chaos

[low shale]

Eh Tyranids are meh

[dry cloak]

nurglists to be exact

[unreal nova]

A.K.A. burn it all with (warp)fire.

[dry cloak]

yup

[low shale]

Could a Custodes kill a Bloodthirster

Or 3?

[dry cloak]

stodes shit on spacemarines

[low shale]

Or is that strickly Grey Knights?

[dry cloak]

but as i say deamon stuff is greyknights job

[unreal nova]

Unless there's literally no choice.

[low shale]

So not even a Custodes would win?

[dry cloak]

as they all are psykers and are trained to specifically fight deamons

[dry cloak]

few stodes are capable of taking down greater deamons imo

[low shale]

Dam the warp is strong then

[dry cloak]

yeah

[low shale]

Aren't Grey Knight Marines?

[unreal nova]

And really, don't think too much of the games... They tend to make you feel good by letting you beat down on say a Great Unclean One and win and such, but those are honestly rare things.

[low shale]

We haven't met one yet

[unreal nova]

I guess the, named protags count in those cases.

I mean other games.

Most people think SM is OP to heck because of other games.

[low shale]

Oh I never played anything other than Darktide and an Hour of Space Marine 2

[low shale]

I mean they are
It depends on what you're comparing them to

[unreal nova]

When you take 4 guys with a terminator to vs a great unclean one and win.

[low shale]

And I would've thought the Custodes could solo a daemon but thats not what they're good at

Ig it boils down to what job you're trained for

[unreal nova]

Wait no.

What's the bloody box with a 'dead' guy in it called.

[low shale]

Dreadnought

[unreal nova]

4 guys with a dreadnaught.

Yeah.

That's it.

[low shale]

Is that a space marine 2 thing

[unreal nova]

No.

DoW.

Chaos Rising campaign from memory.

[low shale]

I mean it possible if its rare
The God Emperor works in mysterious ways

Do not speak heresy brother

😅

Could a Primarch win?

[unreal nova]

Bleah nu, I already write yuri on my free time. Warptouched vet.

[low shale]

Eh Mephiston?

[unreal nova]

Also, why bring up primarch when you know they are named helmetless and basically better than the avg SM?

[low shale]

Uhhhh I dunno its fun

[unreal nova]

They have everything going for them to win.

[low shale]

Put a helmet on them then

I dunno

Tie there arms around their back

[unreal nova]

Unless it's a Chaos writer... Then watch as the daemons overrun him down.

One foolish enough to stop into the warp alone and such.

Unless it's Khorne stuff, I assume when they accept a 1vs1 duel, it's really a 1vs1 duel to the death.

But that can just be my Fantasy stuff memory mixing in.

[low shale]

What does Khorn got going for him anyway
Like Nurgle has diseases and stuff does Khorn have gimmicks?

[dry cloak]

Those were boxnoughts yeah?

Not the current primaris one

[dry cloak]

Yes they are

[unreal nova]

There were 1 named boxnaught. I think he was ancient.

[dry cloak]

Rylanor was a different dready

The even earlier one

[tough tiger]

cataphracti?

[dry cloak]

That was better wasnt it?

[dry cloak]

This is a terminator armor

Iirc

[tough tiger]

damn

too much dark angels for me

[dry cloak]

Yea

[unreal nova]

Thule, I think.

[low shale]

Ever been a corrupt Custodes?

[unreal nova]

Also, it was 5 man, 1 psyker and a dreadnaught.

You can only pick 4 for a mission from memory.

[tall torrent]

No, they don’t solo daemons, they had like 2000 guys fight a million daemons in the war in the webway

[tough tiger]

no

there were custodes corpses being puppeted to mess with big e

on the vengeful spirit

[tall torrent]

There’s never been corrupted living custodes and grey knights

And no counts of corrupted living tempestus scions or commissars I believe

[tough tiger]

wait

i remember there are traitor commissars tho

[low shale]

Are they just so devoted they cant be?

[tall torrent]

Commissars not super sure

[unreal nova]

They are still just humans though.

[tall torrent]

I don’t think corrupted living tempestus scions are a thing tho

[tough tiger]

tempestus scions are just too brainwashed i guess

[tall torrent]

They’re sorta hard programmed not to

They would genuinely rather go hug a daemonhost than to turn traitor

[tough tiger]

and then they leave the game

[low shale]

So this might be stupid
Is a daemonhost strong?

[tough tiger]

depends

dhost in eisenhorn or the one in SM2 are pretty strong

[low shale]

Space Marines 2* has one?

[tough tiger]

2

[tall torrent]

Depends on how strong the host is and how strong the daemon is

[tough tiger]

space marines 2

in one of the pve missions

[unreal nova]

They are like Psykers, you can get someone with barely any real power to do much than glimpse the surface mind of a random person, to planet affecting psykers.

[low shale]

Does that only happen to Psykers?

Dam

[tough tiger]

ye

cuz u need a connection to the warp to contain a demon

[tall torrent]

Daemonhosts can only ever be psykers

[low shale]

I figured I wanted to be sure
That suks tbh
I hear when we overload on Darktide we're basically succumbing to the warp and becoming one

Gameplay wise we cant

But lore wise is what I mean

[unreal nova]

Crystalline will.

Flees.

[low shale]

Is that real or just a mechanic

[tough tiger]

big e really just has infinite wounds and crystalline will in his talent tree

[tough tiger]

just a game thing

[tall torrent]

No, DT player psykers don’t become daemonhosts when they blow up

[tough tiger]

even librarians have to be careful with edging themselves

[tall torrent]

Daemonhost takes ritual to bind

[low shale]

I don't think hes a normal psycker anyways

[tall torrent]

Peril of the warp is more like uncontrollable warp energy overflowing and opening up a warp gate

Which is worse

[unreal nova]

Since who knows how many and what gets called in.

[low shale]

Wait so lore wise when we blow up we're not succumbing to the warp and becoming a daemonhost

[low shale]

What we split open and become a door?

[pallid jetty]

making DH requires a ritual

[unreal nova]

We are becoming a portal to the warp.

[low shale]

Tf?

What does that mean? Like do we just constantly feel pain as we're a pathway?

[pallid jetty]

and when a psyker is overflowing with warp energy which he cant control, some nasty demons can come out

[unreal nova]

Daemons can flow through, in sense. And the strength of said Psyker kinda affects the size of said portal.

[low shale]

So what they random materialize?

Or does the Psyker go through changes?

[pallid jetty]

psyker dies

[tall torrent]

Yea, that’s what would happen in lore

[low shale]

Bruh

[tall torrent]

Psyker dies, becomes a warp gate, daemons come out

[low shale]

Its not permanently painful right?

[tall torrent]

Fortunately Darktide psykers are canonically pretty weak

Outside of seer

[pallid jetty]

painful for who

[low shale]

The psyker?

[pallid jetty]

well ask one

[low shale]

We just instant die

[pallid jetty]

mentally its unbearable

[unreal nova]

Till you just snap.

And pray none of the daemons grab on to your soul.

[low shale]

Man I'm trying to be positive anything has to be better than Daemonhost getting freaky on the vet

Dragging your buddies to hell

[unreal nova]

Assuming Psykers even have souls, of course.

_>

<_<

[low shale]

Thats a hate crime

[pallid jetty]

bruh psykers have souls

how could they use their powers then

[unreal nova]

I know.

[low shale]

All psykers have souls

[tall torrent]

DT’s Veteran is canonically very strong

[unreal nova]

But ppl like to joke abhumans lack souls.

[low shale]

HUH?

Canonically?

Aren't they humans?

[pallid jetty]

were you the one that talks nonsense

[unreal nova]

Yes, have you even heard what the Loose Cannon went though?

[tall torrent]

What, me?

What did I say

[pallid jetty]

that guy with anime av

[low shale]

Im the Cadia boy

[unreal nova]

The Vets are all Vets.

[low shale]

Im not sure if thats loner or not

[unreal nova]

All have seen things.

Two of them have seen things that would have gotten them shot.

[tall torrent]

Cutthroat canonically participated in the battle for Cadia during the 13th black crusade (and have been in multiple military campaigns prior, against various chaos & xenos enemies)

[pallid jetty]

those who have no soul, are hated by everyone on the instinct level, they are called nulls

[low shale]

Veterans have a soul

[pallid jetty]

so you would know if someone is a null

[tall torrent]

If we take Darktide’s player numbers as part of canon there’re like at least 1 million 13th black crusade Cadian survivors on Tertium

[unreal nova]

Yes, but I'm saying Vets are all OP cos they have lived through things.

[low shale]

Yeah but what do they do other than shoot things?

[tall torrent]

Solo every enemy in the game?

You throw the avg space marine against a plague ogryn, the space marine is getting clapped

[low shale]

Yeah but I'm talking lore wise canon stuff

[tall torrent]

Yea, DT is canon

[low shale]

Bruh -_-

I dont mean gameplay bruh

[unreal nova]

I mean, listen to their lines more. All 3 are basically as mad as the Psykers, but in a different way.

They have seen THINGS.

[tall torrent]

Yea, Darktide is part of the 40k canon

[unreal nova]

Things usually redacted.

[low shale]

Wouldn't the Psyker and Ogryn have a better chance?

[tall torrent]

Therefore everything that happens in Darktide is canon

[low shale]

You gave me space aids bruh

[unreal nova]

We are just in a lone region tbh.

Basically like Catachan.

[low shale]

Atleast were not on the bad side of the Universe

[unreal nova]

FS, WHEN CATACHAN OUTFITS?

[tall torrent]

Better chance of what

[low shale]

Living
I don't see a human Vet and Human Priest getting 2 far doesn't it even say almost all vets don't live past a year?

Or something like that

[marsh shard]

Best Helbore Lasgun?

[tall torrent]

You’re talking about >1 million survivors that fought in the 13th black crusade

[unreal nova]

Faith is a drug.

[tall torrent]

Put that into perspective

[marsh shard]

Mk4 has a doodoo melee but its charged attack hits like a truck

[low shale]

Yeah but... They're kinda on the edge of Crazy

[tall torrent]

If anyone is going to survive in the long run (lore-wise) it would be veterans

[low shale]

Wait I smell bias based on the channel we're in 😅

[tall torrent]

Do u not understand what the 13th black crusade is or smth

[unreal nova]

Psykers roll every hour to not dook up and become a gate, if you get what I mean.

Zealots throw themselves into the fray with his name on their lips.

Oggys would totally sacrifice themselves for their boss.

[normal sparrow]

Name says it call
'veteran'

[low shale]

Ik they fought alot but alot died also
I don't think realistically going through alot makes them stronger than an Ogryn or stronger than someone that shoots fire from there hands
A priest I could see a miracle or 2 but the vets are humans
If humans could survive wouldn't we not need space marines or anything else?

I dont really see the exceptions as being anything but

[tall torrent]

They’re humans that fought chaos space marines and other xenos factions in the very forefront for many decades with better combat and survival training than every other class

[unreal nova]

Brains, when you survive so much... you just know when to book it if you want to live.

[low shale]

Didn't they have help?

[low shale]

Where are they going though? Its a hive city we're dropped on right?

[unreal nova]

Loose Cannon watched their platoon die.

[tall torrent]

Do u actually think getting reinforcements will magically make the enemies they fight weaker or smth

Make it make sense

Seems like you’re the biased one here

[unreal nova]

Drop the skirmish. Gamewise is hard. But taking the fight to a better spot rather than here.

[low shale]

Yes isn't that the whole thing about reinforcement bolstered numbers to quell a threat? Would you argue less numbers makes the battle easier?

[low shale]

Further up the spire?

[tall torrent]

Does that make the individual opponents they fight any weaker?

You’re really not making sense

[low shale]

More numbers always would

Thats more firepower

More things on your side

Etc

[unreal nova]

I think he lives on the, 5 billion stormtroopers will kill a god mindset.

[tall torrent]

If you’re just talking about 13th black crusade, they had reinforcements from space marines and trazyn

That doesn’t magically make the chaos space marines’ power armor weaker lol

[low shale]

I mean would you rather 1v1 a god or have 5 mil?

[tall torrent]

You’re still looking at a battle that’s largely fought by imperial guard & navy

[low shale]

Ok 1 Vet vs a Space marine

Who wins

[dry cloak]

Unlessnyoure orks

[unreal nova]

Either way, is a bust. One is a larger waste of lives.

[dry cloak]

Then you believe its weaker and it is

[grand perch]

I've seen a black crusade once. It was very dark, couldn't see shit

[tall torrent]

The avg chaos space marine? Very context dependent and can go either way

[low shale]

You're arguing semantics

[tall torrent]

?

[low shale]

1 Vet Vs 1 Space Marine

[tall torrent]

Yea, context dependent

[low shale]

Not really

[unreal nova]

Top 1% Vet? Vet wins, teabagging after 0 damage taken with weird weapon choices.

[dry cloak]

Chaos space marines devide by god or being chaos undivided

[tall torrent]

Which faction of chaos space marine
What weapons does the veteran get
What fight even is it, ranged or melee

You’re not giving any context whatsoever

[low shale]

Ok 1 Space marine vs a Vet and 3 Space marines

Thats my point

[tall torrent]

Seems like you’re just super biased and want to be proven right

[low shale]

Any fight numbers matter

[unreal nova]

Or just wanks to SM stuff.

[low shale]

Theres not really anything to be proven right about? I'm simply pointing out the obvious
When you see it as whos right thats where the issue lies

I'm just simply stating what I mean by using an analogy that anyone can see

It was never an argument or bias

Its a number game

[tall torrent]

If you’re talking in Darktide sense
Veteran vs plague marine
Veteran would probably win

[low shale]

I can change it to tyranis. Nurgle forces or anything if you want it doesn't really matter

[unreal nova]

Look, if everything is canon. You already have a rat knife zealot soloing the worst of the worst without shroudfield.

[dry cloak]

Hey what other monstrosities would you like to see in dt

[low shale]

I just been talking lore wise this entire time
Gameplay I would say Vet wins all the time

[low shale]

Rot Fly

[tall torrent]

Lore-wise, krak + plasma would kill a plague marine without too much trouble

So it’s entirely possible for veteran to win

Very easily too

[unreal nova]

I mean, 3 kraks would already chink the armor.

[tall torrent]

Lore-wise, barely any of the rejects sent down come back fully corrupted so it’s supported by the lore that rejects have some sort of resistance to chaos corruption and nurgle diseases

You don’t get to fight 2000 poxwalkers in melee and be fine if you’re just the avg normal guy

[low shale]

Thats if the sm is unarmed I mean a 1 vs 1
I could sit here an argue with semantics all day and say what if the SM had a Bolter and his reaction time is on point
I was simply arguing numbers

[tall torrent]

Yea, 1v1, can go either way

What’s your point

U were talking about surviving

I simply stated the very obvious

[low shale]

My point was the Vets had help from alot of things
I'm not saying vets are bad its like earlier Custodes are not bad at fighting they're just not equipped for a daemon as someone already told me
Same thing with the Vets

And either way they still lost anyway

[wanton dawn]

Csm def win in a bare-knuckle fight with a vet

Big lads

[tall torrent]

A guy that’s been fighting chaos & xenos his entire life and survived one of the most gruelling battles in the lore

A guy that literally as “martyrdom” as one of his traits and jumps into melee at any given opportunity against a well-trained traitor army

A psyker that’s canonically fairly weak (outside of seer who’s not in control) and risk perils of the warp every time they use their powers

An ogryn that would almost definitely die before his teammates just to protect them

U tell me which one has the highest chance of long term survival

Make it make sense

[tender rose]

they dont have a chance alone. but together apes strong

[tall torrent]

If the psyker was a high rating psyker, definitely the psyker

But they’re not

[low shale]

Again thats gameplay wise though
Unless out psyker just has some Chrystaline will to avoid becoming a portal

I was asking becuase I dont see anything special with a Vet they can be overwhelmed easily

[wanton dawn]

They shout loud

[low shale]

Lol

[tall torrent]

That’s not “gameplay wise” that’s literally their base character traits given by the game’s lore

[low shale]

Im not trying to be rude it quite the opposite I hope you don't feel that way

[unreal nova]

Then they stab loads.

[low shale]

^

[wanton dawn]

They crap ammo too

That's quite the power

[unreal nova]

And grenades.

[indigo totem]

someone say grenades?

[wanton dawn]

Ouch my bowel

Give another meaning to explosive diarheaa

[indigo totem]

grenades are life

[unreal nova]

Eh, still smaller than some I have seen lul.

[low shale]

Where does it say that? Then by that logic wouldn't the Psyker be able to resist being a portal if they go to far?

Since it in their skill set

[tall torrent]

Do u pay attention to character dialogue in this game at all

You can’t possibly say character dialogue is “gameplay mechanics” now right

[unreal nova]

They do that every waking moment and otherwise. Otherwise they would have been dead already and lesser daemons flowing through.

[low shale]

I thought as long as they don't go over the edge they dont face that issue

[unreal nova]

Not kidding, there are toys that mimic the size of grenades btw. And there are toys bigger.

[low shale]

I meam theres ig instances when warping

[tall torrent]

Darktide’s Psyker’s levels are between iota and zeta

Judging by their abilities

[wanton dawn]

What are we talking about again ?

[low shale]

But I assumed the Machinery blocked that from happening or something

[tall torrent]

No outlandishly powerful abilities but tactically useful in smaller scale fights

[wanton dawn]

I think ive lost tracks somewhere

[low shale]

Grenades

Or Bowels or something

[unreal nova]

I dunno. Would you like some sister x eldar material?

[dry cloak]

Remind me that was were on the scale?

[tall torrent]

Seer is probably zeta level
The other 2 psykers are below that

[tall torrent]

Iota, theta, eta
Generally used as sanctioned psykers
Individually mediocre, assembled into teams to complement each other’s weaknesses

[dry cloak]

I have enough of sister x krieger right now

[dry cloak]

Ok

[unreal nova]

Is yuri.

[tall torrent]

Zeta is powerful enough to singlehandedly turn the tide of a skirmish as an individual without the assistance from other psykers

[unreal nova]

Only lesbians.

[tall torrent]

So DT psyker ranges between iota to zeta

[dry cloak]

Gayfax x celestine

[tall torrent]

But not higher

[dry cloak]

Im playing female seer iirc

[wanton dawn]

I might have say yes but def not during public transit thx

I like my dt server sfw

[dry cloak]

A redhead at that so she should be a blank

[wanton dawn]

During transit

[tall torrent]

Seer would be the strongest psyker because he’s the least in control and is communicating with most likely a shard of the emperor

[dry cloak]

Because as we know ginger people dont have souls

[unreal nova]

Mhm. Like that is gud

[unreal nova]

Is mostly a joke anyway.

[low shale]

Whats the possibility of the Beloved being a Chaos God?

[tall torrent]

Very low

[wanton dawn]

You never know with zealot

[tall torrent]

It’s either a shard of the emperor
Or a tzeentch daemon

Very unlikely to be tzeentch itself

[unreal nova]

Imma gremlin vet, wdym?

[low shale]

Thats what I worry about some of the Dialog is iffy

[tall torrent]

Dialogue mostly points towards shard of the emperor

[tall torrent]

Well, seer’s “beloved” is purposefully kept vague

It’s become a meme at this point

[unreal nova]

Knows things only he should know.

[low shale]

Thats really why I worry about it 😅

[tall torrent]

But seer is very obviously the strongest psyker

Even loner (the crazy schizo) is afraid of seer’s capabilities

[low shale]

I don't think warhammer likes us to have nice things in the Grimdark

[wanton dawn]

Tunnel time, vox channel down !

[low shale]

Thats why I worry about the Shard of the Emperor possibility not being a thing and they go Tzeentch

[unreal nova]

Is truth, warptouched maybe, but still.

[dry cloak]

Magnus shard

[low shale]

Can no helm and name occure with psykers too?

[unreal nova]

No clue, but said beloved knows things only the Emperor should know.

[low shale]

Like what? You guys know more than me

I don't know entirely alot about Tzeentch so I assumed he would know

[tall torrent]

If they’re not space marines or eldar, not really
If eldar, most likely will die horribly at some point, just not yet

[low shale]

Oh dam

[tall torrent]

Strongest imperial psykers are probably Kaldor Draigo and Mephiston

[unreal nova]

I mean, one is the resident Marty stu of Marty Stus.

[dry cloak]

Have you eaten a tangerine?

[low shale]

Draigo in the warp?

[dry cloak]

Yeah

[low shale]

Hope he comes out ok

If the warp do you need food?

[dry cloak]

He is chaos boogeyman

[low shale]

Is there a possibility he... lol what does that mean

Just cuase he kills them?

[dry cloak]

And he is insane enough to not get corrupted

[low shale]

Thats all it takes?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[dry cloak]

Have you eaten a tangerine??

[low shale]

Lmao yeah awhile ago

Like years

[tall torrent]

Draigo’s meme is about tangerine

[low shale]

He has a tangerine that is infinite food?

[tall torrent]

Mephiston on the other hand is kind of just silly

[tall torrent]

No it’s from 40k TTS

[low shale]

Lemme look it up

[dry cloak]

Rip alfabusa

[low shale]

Yeah I got no clue but thats the top comment

Something about gate of infinity

And orcs

[unreal nova]

I mean, if enough Orkz believes you are god who needs no fud, you wouldn't need any.

[low shale]

What thats real

I thought thats a meme

So them believing the color purple is invisible is real?

Wait...

Wtaf

What if they believe Nurgle doesn't exist?

[wanton dawn]

That's not really how their brain work

[low shale]

Oh

So wait red actually makes things faster?

They're confusing

So does there reality affect ours?

Not IRL

I mean if they believe something does it effect others or just them

[wanton dawn]

It is more about "believing" rather than "not believing"

[low shale]

Im not following?

[wanton dawn]

Imagine warp power through collective belief

[low shale]

If they don't believe in nurgle does he just not affect them?

Or it doesn't go that far?

How strong is it?

I have so many questions now 😅

Are they OP?

[wanton dawn]

"Weaponizing" unbelief is what happens with the imperium. Through imposed ignorance

[low shale]

What 🤯

[unreal nova]

Look, the Sisters do stuff you would ??? At.

[low shale]

Huh?

[unreal nova]

Belief in Warhammer is some big deal crack.

Faith alone can even block bullets to a degree.

[low shale]

Yeah Ik that but its a wierd concept to think they believe red is faster so it is

And my question is how does that apply to other things?

[wanton dawn]

Best you can do by not believing is not renforcing

[solar monolith]

cough grey knight incident cough

[low shale]

If they viewed my red ship would it go faster?

[unreal nova]

Some insane stuff is caused by belief alone.

[stoic thorn]

I'm starting to do better with the Shotgun

[frank ledge]

40k cannon doesn't exist

[unreal nova]

I will krak anyone who speaks of that.

[stoic thorn]

I survive longer wearing the cadian armour

And also

[dry cloak]

Everything is cannon not everything is true

[stoic thorn]

I accidentally dressed up as the PUNISHER when I wanted another dripout for my shotgun

[low shale]

So if you believed you couldn't die you wouldnt?

[frank ledge]

Space marines are canonically dying to las fire and shrugging off heavy stubbers

[stoic thorn]

On the tabletop?

[frank ledge]

Yes

[stoic thorn]

Tabletop is hardly canon

[frank ledge]

But also media

[stoic thorn]

If THAT many space marines deploy

Or THAT many custodes deploy

[unreal nova]

If an entire race believes in that, maybe.

[tall torrent]

if enough living things believe in something then it could be true, in general

[stoic thorn]

The shit you're fighting is apocalyptic

[low shale]

Bro wtaf 🤣

[tall torrent]

humanity is power feeding the emperor into a warp god through belief

[stoic thorn]

The tabletop isn't accurate

At all

[frank ledge]

The books also have both instances happen

[wanton dawn]

Where is my retconomicon ?

[frank ledge]

Let's not forget the Iron Warrior supplexed by an Ogryn

[unreal nova]

I mean, Imperium is turning the Emperor into a Warp God.

[low shale]

Wasnt he already though?

[stoic thorn]

Me when the books about a faction shows them absolutely beating the shit out of another faction

[unreal nova]

Enough belief will do it.

[frank ledge]

Or the fact necromunda hivers have access to pre-38k weaponry and somehow can operate it

[stoic thorn]

Stubbers are less effective than lasguns

[tall torrent]

No he kinda got clapped by Horus in the Horus heresy novel retcon

[unreal nova]

Originally a psyker/man, now nobody really knows.

[frank ledge]

Abnett books disagree, legion
So does tabletop

See what I mean with Canon not existing in 40k

[low shale]

But that was his son though so home field disadvantage?

[stoic thorn]

Tabletop isn't fucking accurate

[frank ledge]

It is for GW

[tall torrent]

No he actually fought with everything he had and got clapped pretty hard

Was a very narrow victory for him

[stoic thorn]

A guardsman can survive a bolt round on the tabletop

[solar monolith]

horus was also on at least 4 different types of warp crack

[frank ledge]

There's catachan troops that survived human sized bolters

[stoic thorn]

They're built different

[low shale]

This is all confusing tbh

[stoic thorn]

God knows what's happening in catachan

[frank ledge]

And in dark crusade you can also survive human sized bolters if you roll well enough or play an Ogryn

[unreal nova]

Well, the 4 gods were behind him then from memory.

[stoic thorn]

Ogryns can survive bolt rounds

But again

[solar monolith]

dude was on tren

[stoic thorn]

Tabletop is not accurate

I can shoot a guardsman with a lascannon and he lives

[frank ledge]

Dark crusade is Accurate

[low shale]

So hes not some mythical being with undeath?

I thought hed be reborn or something?

[stoic thorn]

He's a perpetual

[frank ledge]

And for the 10th time 40k has no canon

[low shale]

A separate species?

[stoic thorn]

He can regen

[frank ledge]

everything likely happened and power levels fluctuate, canonically

[stoic thorn]

But the golden throne is killing him as fast as he is regening

[unreal nova]

To be fair, we might have 2 Emperors.

[low shale]

Does that make him not a Man/Psyker but different?

[stoic thorn]

He's a perpetual

[low shale]

HUH????

[unreal nova]

One on the throne, one being said warp god.

[stoic thorn]

A being born from the sacrifice from hundreds of shamans

Though I doubt the lore

I heard it's pretty old on this

[wanton dawn]

[low shale]

Why

[solar monolith]

so like imagine a big flashlight

[unreal nova]

The warp god is the nice half, the one that protects the faithful.

[stoic thorn]

Timey-Wimey Warp-astromonican bullshit

[solar monolith]

he's the battery and the throne is a flashlight

[stoic thorn]

Malcador fucking died on the Golden throne powering it

I think

[low shale]

And the golden throne holds back the warp?

[unreal nova]

Is the side where his humanity and such is after all.

[stoic thorn]

Essentially

Also acts as the lighthouse of the warp

[low shale]

Can't someone take over for a min so he can regen?

[stoic thorn]

Navigators home in on the signal and use it to triangulate where the fuck they are and where they're going

[wanton dawn]

Yeah sure. Smell like an excuse for weird fanfic

[stoic thorn]

What comes out of the golden throne won't be the same as what came in

[solar monolith]

his boytoy malcador did

and he ded

[stoic thorn]

His soul is basicallt

Fractured

[low shale]

What hes corrupted?

[stoic thorn]

His soul is fractured

[low shale]

Wheres the other half?

Dead?

[stoic thorn]

The other bits of him

Ehh

[solar monolith]

corrupted, ascended, fractured,

[stoic thorn]

Gone

Not in him

Doesn't matter where or what they went

[low shale]

I smell heresy from all of you

[stoic thorn]

Please shut up

[low shale]

What tf am I fighting for on these games then?

[stoic thorn]

The Emperor

[unreal nova]

Hrmph.

[grand perch]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/745324840097153167

[stoic thorn]

We're fighting for the safety for the Imperium

If we fail our jobs

If all of us fail our jobs

The Imperium falls with us

[solar monolith]

the little guys

humanity

[low shale]

But theres not rlly a point is there?
I thought he was supposed to revive?

[stoic thorn]

He isnt

[low shale]

Save everyone?

[stoic thorn]

He's supposed to STAY THERE

And he's going to stay there

[unreal nova]

I'm going back to reading yuri and pestering ppl to play so I can do my psyker weeklies.

[stoic thorn]

The moment he gets off

Shoop

Warp comes in

[low shale]

This suks bruh 😭

[stoic thorn]

Chaos everywhere

[stoic thorn]

Warhammer is not a good place to live in

[solar monolith]

i might join ya in a couple hours

[stoic thorn]

The literal tagline of the franchise is: "In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war"

[solar monolith]

something something stagnation being the main theme of the setting

[unreal nova]

Fantasy is a little better though.

[stoic thorn]

Among other things

Like

[low shale]

Yeah I get that but at this point they're not getting saved

[stoic thorn]

"We love money!!!"

[stoic thorn]

The Imperium isn't winning the setting sadly

Unless we lock tf in

[unreal nova]

I missed a day of grind already. Still need to do Zealot and Psyker.

[low shale]

Becuase daemons dont die and everything else is op

Right?

[stoic thorn]

Chaos can't win if we fall too

[solar monolith]

i fell asleep early yesterday

[stoic thorn]

Chaos needs humanity to survive

[unreal nova]

Nobody is, Tyranids has the best bet of winning.

[stoic thorn]

Necrons

[solar monolith]

i refuse

[low shale]

Why are they trying to kill us????

[solar monolith]

necrons are

[unreal nova]

I guessed. Just ded in my case.

[solar monolith]

can't eat if you kill all your food

[stoic thorn]

Because they're fucked up and want sacrifices

Pleases the gods

[low shale]

Omg bruh

Work together or something

Then fight

[stoic thorn]

Thats

Not the point of chaos

[low shale]

Ik

[unreal nova]

The fleets we see are just scout fleets.

[stoic thorn]

Tyranids don't want to duke out with the necrons

Once they're done with us they'll just move on

[low shale]

Orks dont have a shot at winning?

[stoic thorn]

Necrons stay because it's a net loss of biomass

[stoic thorn]

They're already winning they're the only truly happy lads in the setting

They're just having a good time

[low shale]

Well atleast someone is happy

[stoic thorn]

But orks might have a chance of winning

As seen in previous waaaaghs

Like the wars for armegeddon

War of the beast

Especially war of the beast

They took it to fucking terra

[low shale]

How do they fair against Tyranids?

[stoic thorn]

Octarius

They lost

Because they didn't lock tf in

[low shale]

What do they call Tyranids anyway

Stabby bug?

[stoic thorn]

They were first discovered

On a world called tyran

That's it

Peak fiction

Land Raiders

[low shale]

Stabby bug?

[stoic thorn]

Aren't named because they raid the land

[low shale]

Oh

[stoic thorn]

They're named after Arkhan Land

[errant carbon]

Space Marines are named after Jimmy Space

[solar monolith]

Arkhan Land made Land Raiders, Lascannons are named after Johnny Las or some shit

[stoic thorn]

The Leman Russ battle tanks

Are named

You CANT GUESS THIS

Leman russ

[low shale]

No I mean don't orks have names for everything?

[stoic thorn]

Shoota

Choppa

[solar monolith]

something something iron hands, led by Iron Hand, with their flagship being named Iron Fist

[errant carbon]

It's best just to disregard all lore before 2nd edition and after 5th (and much of what is in 5th)

[stoic thorn]

angron

[errant carbon]

Peter Turbo

[solar monolith]

wasn't angron literally named after a guy they met at a pub

[stoic thorn]

Blood leading Blood Angels

[solar monolith]

angry ron

[stoic thorn]

That sounds believable

[low shale]

😅

[errant carbon]

Also don't look into why the Dark Angels are led by Lionel Johnson

[stoic thorn]

Horus Lupercal leads the Luna Wolves

[low shale]

I've been on here for 2 hours?!?! You guys take care thanks for the talks guys

[stoic thorn]

Horus is the god of the moon

And lupercal is just a fancy way of wolf

I am about to kill myself

[unreal nova]

This is normal btw.

[stoic thorn]

If you went to the Warhammer 40k universe

You'd die

English does not exist in the Imperium

Everything we see hear and read is just translated for us

[unreal nova]

Lrn2gothic.

[low shale]

Not if I believed I wouldn't
👉😎👉

[stoic thorn]

That's what 39,000 years of language deviation does

[unreal nova]

Or you ded.

[errant carbon]

Wolf Brother Wolfenstein leads his Space Wolf Wolf Pack in their Wolf Speeder (that is literally shaped like a wolf's head) to aid the Wolf and his Wolves at the Wolftime

[low shale]

Ok fr though take care

[stoic thorn]

Space Wolves were done so dirty lmao

The writers and the community have lost the plot

Less space vikings more furries

[solar monolith]

blood angels too but nobody cares since they have lots of latin-ish words for blood

[stoic thorn]

God I hate the thousand sons

[dry cloak]

Lets hope leman comes out of the warp basically as odin and not giant furry

[stoic thorn]

I got curbstomped so bad in KT

GRAAAH I HATE WARPCOVEN!!!!

[solar monolith]

didn't 10e fuck up psykers in general

[errant carbon]

Let's hope he doesn't, bringing back the Primarchs was a mistake

[stoic thorn]

No more psychic phase

[solar monolith]

i haven't played in years

[stoic thorn]

They've been reduced

To a keyword

[solar monolith]

[stoic thorn]

But the tsons do get to cast spells

Eat fucking doombolts

[solar monolith]

noice

[stoic thorn]

God I really want to start guard

I love CADIA

[solar monolith]

say goodbye to your wallet lmao

[stoic thorn]

I already did

I have 1.5k in Imperial fists

[solar monolith]

so many guardsmen

[stoic thorn]

Dw I did find a good deal

Cadia stands box and a Leman russ thrown in

For substantially cheaper than seperately

Also drippy as shit codex

[solar monolith]

damn nice

[stoic thorn]

I haven't bought it yet

I want to finish my Blooded and my Gladiator

Orrrr

Just finish blooded and get it

[solar monolith]

tbh i've been thinking of getting a Knights army

just as a painting project

they seem fun to freehand

[unreal nova]

Just be poor in the first place and play TT in the most sus ways.

Like, I play D&D without ever reading the player's handbook and just bsing my way.

[solar monolith]

the way the writers intended

[unreal nova]

I only read the DM book because I knew I DM who let me read it.

Same thing happened for Black Crusade lul.

[solar monolith]

lmfao nice

[unreal nova]

Thing is Black Crusade would be far more expensive to get into here. IDK why.

[solar monolith]

import costs i guess

[unreal nova]

Or ehm, Dark Heresy. Black Crusade will get the Commissars on me, isn't it.

[marsh shard]

I'm testing a Weapon Specialist build that uses Helbore Mk4.

Afaik the Helbore has the highest damage in a single shot of all the lasguns, right?

[stoic thorn]

Probably

It is the sniping one

[marsh shard]

Get Shock Trooper for refund ammo on crit -> Guarantee a crit with Weapon Specialist -> Get a kill with Helbore -> Refund all the ammo used and swap back

[tall torrent]

no

u start by not playing weapon specialist with helbore

they do not work with each other

[marsh shard]

Wdym? I'm getting all the ammo back

Its working in Meat Grinder

[tall torrent]

Weapon specialist doesn’t work between Helbore’s bayonet attacks & Helbore’s ranged attacks

Because it’s coded differently from agile engagement

[marsh shard]

Thats not what I'm doing

[errant carbon]

Not that they literally don't work but there's just not much synergy. Helbore has a long draw time and has to charge up on top of it. The best way to mitigate the charge up time is by chaining charged attacks (Weight of Fire blessing) and as mentioned, it doesn't work with the bayonet

[marsh shard]

The bayonet does trigger melee specialist

[tall torrent]

Simply put there’s no reason to take weapon specialist with Helbore ever

[marsh shard]

But doesnt use the buff

It gives it to the melee tho

But

[tall torrent]

Because WS is coded as “kills made while melee/ranged weapon in hand”

Not “melee/ranged attack kills”

You don’t get to use both WS buffs with Helbore

[marsh shard]

Yeah, I'm not even caring about the bayonet attack

[tall torrent]

Then go a different keystone

WS is not for Helbore

[marsh shard]

Going to need a better explanation than "WS is not for Helbore"

Literally 1hko'ing every non-mutant special and most elites (including Reapers) with the guaranteed crit without using any ammo

[gritty mural]

you'll find the switch speed to be less ideal for a keystone built around switching weapons

you could go ahead and try it in a game but the switch speed will get in the way in a less controlled environment

[errant carbon]

I already told you—Helbore takes a long time to draw and needs to charge shots (otherwise you might as well be using any other las weapon type) unless you're chaining shots with Weight of Fire. Weapon Specialist wants you switching weapons frequently to get the most benefit from it

[marsh shard]

Its nice that the bayonet activates melee specialist.

Get 3+ kills with melee, switch (have One Motion passive for +25% swap speed) and either charge up a shot or stab rq with bayonet then swap back

[errant carbon]

Not sure offhand if attack speed buffs affect Helbore charge time

[stoic thorn]

MORE CHALLENGES???

GOOD

I need the diamantine

It will hurt my heart

But it's time

To start slaughtering ogryns

I love ogryns

I want to hug them

[weary hornet]

this is great to rack up the 1500 ogryn penances

yay first one and I get mission aborted due to error half way through!!

[rustic beacon]

What new challenges did we get?

[unreal nova]

Bulwark hell.

[rustic beacon]

What does that mean?

[stoic thorn]

More ogryns

Oops all PLAGUE OGRYNS

Thought the Plague ogryns were the cults job but ok

[unreal nova]

I mean exactly that. More bulwark, more crushers, more reapers and probs more poggys.

[rustic beacon]

So I guess a bit like the mostly melee maelstrom modifier?

Thx

[thorn lark]

i had a 400 specials mael once

fun times

[grand perch]

I read that as 400 specials meal. Rinda Karnak approved

[wanton dawn]

"Am I special ?" "Yes, yes you are"

[marsh shard]

Okay.

VT2 vs DT...

I understand why DT values dodging while VT2 values blocking

What I don't understand is, why is stagger not values by the DT community like it is by the VT2 community?

[fleet garden]

wow only a month between events pog

[marsh shard]

Like, being able to stagger Chaos Warriors is seen as a good thing. Or being able to stagger a stormvermin out of their overhead. Whereas people here seem to not value being able to open up Bulwarks or stagger elites with ease

[frank ledge]

Hey veterans

Zealot plasma

[teal salmon]

I just started a vet, however, does verminitide have as much ‘chip’ damage? Like does the combat work the same

[tame lodge]

Arm powered rail gun

[teal salmon]

I usually don’t find myself pressed by maulers or the ogryn, I find my issues to be the individuals sitting in the back getting shots off while I’m surrounded by dual axe wielding maniacs

[sleek garden]

Because people have made some ridiculously high damage weapons and think that's the norm, why stagger a bunch of enemies when you can kill 8 of them in one swing with a weapon that only has one sideways attack

[unreal nova]

VT2? Early, you just tempHP your way, cata? Get hit once and it's like crushers at H40.

[short nest]

Roughnecks, which melee weapon would you suggest to pair a plasma gun with? Currently I'm using a Mk XIIIg chainsword which is... Fun, but not great against hordes. I've tried the power sword and enjoyed it, but having to reactivate it every three swings tends to be tricky in messy situations. Anything more straightforward than that?

[tame lodge]

Chainswords are pretty good against hordes

Anyways

Rashad Combat Axe

Brutal Momentum Headtaker

Light attack everything

Heavy for carapace and monstrosities

Uh yeah?

[short nest]

Oh, that sounds nice and brainless, thanks

[pale sand]

you heavy attack most specials and elites as well like gunners and stuff.

also like can we take a moment to appreciate the glowup the rashad has had man, good on him. Good job rashad.

[supple wagon]

Never did like the power sword

Always felt like it didn't mesh with the guardsman vibe, y'know?

Unless you're specifically slotting into a fuedal world aesthetic

[grand perch]

Always been an option for sergeants and up though

[warm bolt]

Yep, that's how i justify it

I mean our guardsman is already pretty special being allowed various outfits from other regiments and some less-common guard options

[tame lodge]

Yeah
Symbol of prestige

[supple wagon]

Even as a symbol of prestige it doesn't look at home in my hands

Doesn't have that dieselpunk grit a lot of astra militarum stuff does

[crisp oak]

fairly certain power sword has rules

[short nest]

And it looks like a paddle.

[short nest]

That's a nice looking one though

[crisp oak]

yeah the swords arent that pretty

[supple wagon]

And nobody was arguing that it didn't?

I'm saying it doesn't

Look

Right in their hands

Aesthetically it's more befitting the more bespoke Gothic factions of the imperium

[crisp oak]

not sure how you are getting that the guard is dieselpunk

when there are more regiments that the fricking sun

wow such diesel punk

[crisp oak]

mordians aren't fuedal world

[supple wagon]

And thus look right at home with the dueling sword

The power sword is a ye olde arming sword with a power field generator

[crisp oak]

Im just missing how the guard is "diesel punk"

Maybe krieg and some of the vostroyans, but even the default guardsman that are cadians arent really

Maybe Armageddon steel legion....

[balmy flume]

I am still wondering why GW never made a Fantasy to 40k conversion kit for Bretonnian men at arms.

Would have sold gangbusters as a feudal world regiment.

[supple wagon]

Specifically the cadian pattern equipment

The majority of veteran cosmetics fall into the aesthetic, from the vestures, docket shop, and penances featuring a largely blocky flak armor set with an overall lack of ornamentation as befitting their mass-produced nature, which doesn't mesh with the archaic but refined look of a power sword. Even the basic one issued to the Sargeant models features a gilded guard that looks out of place amid the olive drab and gunmetal greys that make up the bulk of the basic cadian aesthetic.

Comparing it to their other technology (namely vehicles), a chainsword fits in much closer with the vibe presented by the regiment. Gss operated equipment, heavy machinery, bulky chassis. Minimal ornamentation. It's a very industrial look that stands out from the ornamented and antique look of a power sword, with most examples drawing from the middle ages or age of sail for their shaping. Most of the cadian equipment pulls from mashing together ww1-ww2 vehicles, as can be seen with the leman russ and rogal dorn, and as such could fall within the purview of "dueselpunk.", as do a good selection of other regiments we have sets for.

Sorry for the slow typing, I'm on my phone and my hands are cold

[sturdy snow]

Guys, the Orks have Omnisiah Mailed me a new item.

[supple wagon]

Me loading a slug into my rust eoka

[warm bolt]

1% ammo roll on a bolter

[sturdy snow]

They said it's better than a bolter

[warm bolt]

For sure

An ideal sniper rifle too

[crisp oak]

No problem, fair on the vehicles. Way I see it is NCOs are a lot more valulable for local command so get rarer things (plasma gun and power sword), I do agree that the ppwer sword designs we have are meh

[warm bolt]

You know before that i never even considered that it looks out of place and now i cant unsee it

[supple wagon]

I can still see a power sword in the roster, the devil's claw sword would fit the bill perfectly with a power field generator thrown on

A basically shaped mass produced blade

Like you punched it out of sheet metal and threw a grip on

[crisp oak]

Tried the weapon customization mod?

Also will say the powersword does fir the aesthetic of the 53rd I think

[warm bolt]

Just add vostroyan cosmetics FATSHARK PLEASE

They look like eastern european boyars so a power sword/saber is right up their alley

[supple wagon]

Moebian regiments as a whole play a bit more into the medieval vibe, the twins/mauler/reaper even have chainmail on

[warm bolt]

Mhm

Some dead moebians look like city of sigmar (from age of sigmar, a fantasy-sorta medieval warhammer) soldiers

[supple wagon]

I'm kinda sad I missed the kettle helm

Hope it comes around again

[warm bolt]

Some on the carnival with purple fatigues and wooden(?) sign on them

[supple wagon]

Those are water cartel gangers

[warm bolt]

Oh

[queen fox]

So the king in rags wore royal purple

Neat

Or ragged king?

Idk

[supple wagon]

Ngl I'd wear a water cartel uniform

The enemies tend to be on fleek in warhammer

[warm bolt]

Heresy

[supple wagon]

How is that heresy

They're criminals not apostates

That's like prime guard recruitment right there

[tame lodge]

The color scheme is kinda peak ngl

[warm bolt]

Because you picked some riff-raff uniform over blessed guard uniform

[loud belfry]

surely crimes go against the imperium by default so they must be against the emperor too

[warm bolt]

ehhh

[supple wagon]

The first wave of penance gear was all moebian prison gear

[crisp oak]

Theyre jeanstealers

[warm bolt]

In-lore it's all over the place but i'd imagine Atoma would use the cartels to pay the tithe and put more bodies up against the darktide

[warm bolt]

Is that why they have the drip, they stole it?

[crisp oak]

Yeah

[warm bolt]

Okay touché

[supple wagon]

Why would you call yourself the water cartel if you aren't dripping

[warm bolt]

[queen fox]

Purple is definitely a genestealer color lol

[warm bolt]

Coulda sworn there were a couple of purple guard regiments but lets be real they're not in the atoman underhive moving up

[queen fox]

To break the Emperors Lex Imperialis is to break from His path, to reject His light, and to denounce His great plan for humanity forever. There will be no forgiveness for such an act

[warm bolt]

Especially since there were some sorta genestealer-y looking enemies at one point

[grand perch]

i dunno about purple but these lads always cracked me up

look at that pyjama looking ass

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Jopall_Indentured_Squadrons

[supple wagon]

Woad warriors premium set when

[warm bolt]

Oh those lads

[crisp oak]

Indentured servants