veteran-class

[dusty hedge]

I love axe

[tall torrent]

ideally
thin them out with ranged attacks & grenade before fighting in melee
u want to be close enough that they stick to standard combo

for shock maul, falter and hammerblow blessings are useful vs ragers

allows u to stagger them with heavy atk on weakspot hit

[burnt stump]

I see I see

[tall torrent]

so u don't have to special atk (takes time) when they're swarming u

scab rager is much more dangerous than dreg rager comparatively

much higher mass, faster atk speed

kill them quickly

[burnt stump]

Honestly I thought they were slower

Cuz of the armor

Looked slower anyway

[tall torrent]

u can see in the video they have faster standard combo atk speed

just a little faster

[burnt stump]

I watched it I know

Find it strange how they're still slightly faster tho

[tall torrent]

they're deceptively good at overwhelming in melee

[tall torrent]

they're from the battle-hardened elite traitor guard

dreg rager is just some hobo hooked up on space crack

[dusty hedge]

scab ragers are a little scary now that they have carapace torsos

[tall torrent]

that's scab

[dusty hedge]

whoops, mistyped

when you don't have perfect headshot aim and see the deflection sparks flying

as they get closer and closer

[tough tiger]

Real men fight them in melee anyway

[dusty hedge]

"ha ha, I'm in danger"

[tough tiger]

[dusty hedge]

I happily fight them in melee as Ogryn

[burnt stump]

Idk why Ogryn doesn't have an instakill grab attack where they just squish the head

[dusty hedge]

in fact that's half the fun of Ogryn, meleeing crowds of Ragers that punies would have to be very careful with

[tall torrent]

darktide ogryn is not very lore accurate

lore-accurate would be fast & deadly

[tough tiger]

Their fists alone can be weapona

[tall torrent]

DT ogryn is neither

[burnt stump]

I noticed because they are apparently strong enough to tear a space marine apart but have some

Pretty sad melee weapons if I'm being honest

[tall torrent]

ogryn has good melee weapons

2 of them

ogryn also has good guns

also happens to be 2 of them

outside of those, yea

[burnt stump]

Why do so many people play Heresy not at level 30

[tall torrent]

heresy is not hard

[latent parcel]

You wanna know what's hard? Caxe frame drops!

[tall torrent]

I capped framerate and it seems to be running a bit better now

I think it's because of this game's nonexistent framerate stability, and frame gen's horrible elasticity in unstable frame pacing

and well, the game-native frame gen still has visual artifact issues

hope they fix it soon

[latent parcel]

Yeah it sucks

[tall torrent]

I got back to AC Odyssey

Ubisoft game

guess how well it runs

lock 60fps, 1% lows doesn't dip below 53

and the display framerate locks at 59~60 stable

in DT, 60fps lock is 43~60fps, 32~47 1% lows

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[hollow ibex]

It’s a pretty well optimized game yeah

[tall torrent]

insane times when a ubisoft open world game has better frame stability than DT

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[hollow ibex]

Tbf Ubisoft has been making the same game for a decade so they’ve gotten pretty fucking good at it

[tall torrent]

their titles on launch are almost always unoptimized trainwrecks

[tough tiger]

Ubislop

Sloptide

Verminslop

Slopshark

Duelling slop mk4

[vernal trench]

I mean u shouldnt even be hit at all

If that was havoc 40 ull be dead in 3 hits max

U deal with them by not even being near them

Dodge back and shoot them

If a dozen ragers charge at u ur not gonna be meleeing them

[tough tiger]

Not if you're john darktide

[burnt stump]

Played with a guy named John-Darktide and he cut down everything with a dueling sword like it was a sword with a million tiny razors on it through paper

[burnt stump]

How convenient

[vernal trench]

fr

dueliong sword is busted

[vernal trench]

lmfoa john darktide playing malice wtfd

guy definitely cheesed it

[burnt stump]

No it was Heresy

And he sprinted ahead by himself and everything

Only time he went down is when a Pox Hound jumped him

[burnt stump]

I know

[burnt stump]

Also you're right it isn't

Maybe it was because John Darktide was there

[vernal trench]

i mean if he didn tcheese true survivor he should be able to do that on maelstrom easily

auric

[latent parcel]

the cheese survivor?!

[warm bolt]

Gromit, i think we ought to deal with these nurglite ruffians

[burnt stump]

This build is probably absolute dog water

[latent parcel]

atleast ur aware

[vernal trench]

wtf is this lmao

[pastel pumice]

he's just like all of us when we first started out

[vernal trench]

he will be a cheese survivor in no time

[pastel pumice]

word up

[latent parcel]

you ready for my martydom evis or what

[vernal trench]

tf is that

[latent parcel]

martydom charge zealot with the eviscerator

[vernal trench]

that sounds gay as fuck

[latent parcel]

so

[vernal trench]

lmao

[latent parcel]

its not meta like ur meta loadout

metaman

[vernal trench]

fr i gotta use my shout and my plasma gun cuz its THE STANDARD for havocs

whats this gay ass thumbs up @latent parcel

u aitn getting away with tgat

mf

👎

[latent parcel]

you playin or what

[vernal trench]

not rn metaman

[latent parcel]

what

[vernal trench]

gimme like 30 or something idk

[crude fiber]

Get the right node in marksman focus for more toughness regen per stack and you'll have so much regen per weakspot kill

[fading yarrow]

Fellas, I'm back at 4/5

https://tenor.com/view/the-muppets-kermit-the-frog-smh-shake-my-head-no-gif-4883582

[burnt stump]

Whatever I thought sounded good

[empty root]

Any logic behind taking both heat blessings for the relic blade

I tried both and you seem to be able to have 100%uptime while attacking into hordes

Fuck wrong channel

[tall torrent]

u should be playing damnation tbh
if ur more used to the game anyway

[unreal nova]

Evis? EVIS?

[burnt stump]

I prefer getting used to Heresy and then attempting Damnation

Taking a few bites out of hotdog before adding a bit of mustard to the next one know what I mean

[tall torrent]

What region are u in

[burnt stump]

Where is it

[burnt stump]

West US

[tall torrent]

u wanna play

[burnt stump]

Depends on what difficulty

[tall torrent]

we'll do urs ig

did u get the game very recently or

[burnt stump]

No I started playing since last year

But like

Nah last year is good

[tall torrent]

alr I'll get on

[tall torrent]

what's ur friend code

and do u want to vc

[burnt stump]

I'm fine on the VC right now

[burnt stump]

Also how am I supposed to find this

Oh wait nevermind found it

[tall torrent]

social -> find player -> copy

[burnt stump]

3169138661

[tall torrent]

U got any penances u want to do?

Or any specific goal in mind

[burnt stump]

Not right now, no

I'll work on that later considering it's the more difficult ones

[latent parcel]

dont hate

[empty root]

evis is fun

[odd summit]

my favorite weapon thus far

unfortunately it's been a bit power crept by other weapons

[burnt stump]

Cool shooter's duty uniform

[odd summit]

its niche is fulfilled better by other weapons

[tall torrent]

I’ll queue this time, not sure why US west is 100+ ping for me

[burnt stump]

It be like that sometimes

[empty root]

evis go brrrrr

[hollow ibex]

it was 100 ping for me last night, and i'm in us west lmfao

[hollow ibex]

which mark though

https://tenor.com/view/susge-stare-pepe-sus-gif-6983445641596872640

[unreal nova]

Is just US, more unstable than EU somehow.

[odd summit]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-charlie-smiling-friends-charlie-that's-true-that's-true-smiling-friends-that's-true-gif-8526459083639412663

[tall torrent]

gg I gtg now

for revolver

u only want to shoot at elites & specialists usually

it doesn't have a lot of ammo to spend on shooters or horde

[burnt stump]

Ggs

[unreal nova]

I at least thought you would be using Relic with that build.

[latent parcel]

i have a relic blade build already i like to branch out!

[unreal nova]

Then use a THammer.

[latent parcel]

Nah thammer isnt for me

[unreal nova]

Don't make me glare at you. Evis in havoc is like revolver in pus skinned h40.

[latent parcel]

i tried it in havoc 40 and didnt like it

[latent parcel]

next ur gunna tell me tactical axe sucks in havoc 40 😔

[unreal nova]

Tacaxe is just bleah anyway. Only thing it has is agile!

[latent parcel]

i didnt even use agile in my havoc 40 run i took it on

i just wanted something a lil better so i went evis

[hollow ibex]

its fun on zealot

[unreal nova]

I am just pinging the ground under you rn mentally.

[latent parcel]

martydom taxe on zealot swings at crackhead speed

[unreal nova]

Just do it with knoife!

[latent parcel]

i have knife builds 🙄

[leaden skiff]

Stibby stabby

[unreal nova]

Or DS4, but we don't talk about that.

[hollow ibex]

knife doesn't have brumentum

https://steamusercontent-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/10796144816158758/C6769ED878C79E8B58B18D1CF5D6021080281D83/

crackhead taxe moment

[tall torrent]

it's playable

evicerator has the upside of actually being able to kill armor

and bulwarks

[unreal nova]

Just dook against the horde with all the nerfs it got, I guess.

[latent parcel]

i just use ds4 on my chorus builds that i rarely play anymore

[tall torrent]

it never got nerfed vs horde, it's always been meh

[unreal nova]

I just do it because nothing matters but spamming dodge, I'm at 300 ping anyway

[tall torrent]

it came out with the capped cleave distribution

[crude fiber]

Been using Dclaw in havoc 20s, is fun

[unreal nova]

The 4 target cap?

[latent parcel]

i just played at 180 ping it wasnt bad. 300 sounds terrible bleh

[tall torrent]

yea, that was there on its release

[hollow ibex]

it got cucked

[unreal nova]

Oh. I thought they added it soon after.

[tall torrent]

nah

[crude fiber]

Just use savage sweep and bloodletter lol

[unreal nova]

360 on highest end btw. Such fun to find out you got overheaded 0.4 secs later.

[latent parcel]

rip

i honestly wouldnt even play at that point

[unreal nova]

Even if on your end, you are 10 meters away.

Is why I'm more scared of maulers than the CSpawn.

[leaden skiff]

The assassin quiet Crushers are my favorite. Blink. Die. Realize you got bonked by Crusher XD

[unreal nova]

CSpawn is just block and spam dodge

Maulers/Crushers, you are already dead somehow.

[loud belfry]

you ever try changing DNS servers and/or changing ethernet adapter settings? might improve your ping at least a bit and with such high ping it could be a lot

[tall torrent]

she's in OCE I think?

[unreal nova]

Google DNS did nothing and I'm not getting VPN.

[unreal nova]

I am. 9-11 ping in Asia Pacific.

[loud belfry]

could try whatever this website says is best for you https://dnsspeedtest.online

isnt google for me

posted by this dude on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/dns/comments/182uf3p/introducing_dns_speed_test_web_tool_find_the/

[unreal nova]

Playing in local pugs is like dropping weighted bands.

What do you mean, things actually die in 3 hits?

[vapid nacelle]

Laspistol my beloved

[unreal nova]

And I mean ds4 crusher heds.

Takes about 7 stabs otherwise.

[burnt stump]

Could any of you send talent builds that use Executioner's Stance, VoC, and Infiltrate since I'm confident the one I use is not good

[vernal trench]

@subtle arrow oh my god are u that zelnesh

[hollow ibex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515648206512168/1319846207660626010/IMG_2003.png?ex=67886791&is=67871611&hm=61b36b771b35e75bb2edaa2c29180a3800a65e201c4e0df86d2c2b19759a9d58&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=441&height=903

[hollow ibex]

standard VOC builds

from path

[terse idol]

I really thought MF was more common

[hollow ibex]

if the build sucks, blame him

[terse idol]

[hollow ibex]

[vernal trench]

Tf going on

[tame lodge]

She marks on my man till I focus

[burnt stump]

Who is him

Who do I blame here

[vernal trench]

It depends on what eeapon u got

[unreal nova]

@tall torrent

[burnt stump]

Stance is Recon Lasgun, Voice is Revolver, Infiltrate is Laspistol and KNOIFE

[vernal trench]

I got no idea lmfao i dont use any of those weapons on any of those abilities

Hellbore is busted for executioner stance tho

[tame lodge]

Knoife that wa'ermellon

[vernal trench]

U just gotta rely on team to keep u alive a lot of times in havocd

[unreal nova]

Still trying to get him to do guide to all melees and not just Vet's lul.

[vernal trench]

Make yo own build and find whats best

[unreal nova]

Such a good ref for stuff tbh.

[vernal trench]

It depends on what u play as well

[tall torrent]

I just played with u

[narrow frost]

I blame path

[vernal trench]

Did he carry

[burnt stump]

Well I know you now

But I didn't think you made the guide that I was sent

[unreal nova]

[tall torrent]

He’s fairly new

[unreal nova]

Could be VT2 vet who accidentally gets on overwatch at lvl 3.

[pastel pumice]

we talking 2 days new

or 2 months new

that's new

[tall torrent]

Around this maybe?

He says he started last December or smth

Which my brain thought was December 2023

But prob ~1 month

[wanton dawn]

That almost beta helmet new

[vernal trench]

2 months aint bad

[pastel pumice]

Lmao path

[vernal trench]

Sedition is where its at

[pastel pumice]

i get how you got that though

same brainwaves

mine is just

slightly lower

[unreal nova]

Long enough to carry tbh.

[vernal trench]

I sure carry in sedition

[unreal nova]

3 bots carry well, I know.

Trying to get them killed, near impossible task.

[vernal trench]

Ive had games where bots lasted longer than the whole team on havoc 40

We all frll off the map on clandestine

[unreal nova]

They sure can block.

[wanton dawn]

Bot are not bad. They have crap weapon

[vernal trench]

Bots last longer than half the people u play with on a maelstrom

[unreal nova]

Have you seen them tank DH?

So long, you can even dook up your bbs multiple times.

[vernal trench]

Lmfao nope

Bots lasr longer than some havoc forged prople i seen

Cheese survivprs

[unreal nova]

Random pug and DH. They dead before you can turn around to reping the DH.

[vernal trench]

What a pug

[unreal nova]

Randos.

Pugging.

[wanton dawn]

Player unknown ground

[unreal nova]

When you hit quickplay.

[wanton dawn]

Do not quote me on that

[vernal trench]

Oh

Pug

[grand perch]

they dont get the toughness and health debuffs iirc

[vernal trench]

And they also dodge and block lmfao

Saw a bot dodge a mutie

[unreal nova]

Honestly, just let them have decent gear and they'll be better than the avg pug.

[vernal trench]

Cheese survivors going down in maelstroms multiple times

I cant grt over it

[unreal nova]

And best part? They are more likely to help you than the avg pug.

[vernal trench]

Average pug just leaves

People die like 10 times in maelstroms idk what they doin

[unreal nova]

Look, ppl die 9 times in heresy cos someone picked up a grim.

[vernal trench]

They gotta go back to malice

[unreal nova]

Having to clutch blinded due to b/w when they go down above me to the next safe spot is hell enough.

[vernal trench]

Whats b/w

[unreal nova]

On last wound effect.

[vernal trench]

Why u use so many buzz words

[unreal nova]

Black/white mode.

Easy to hit on psyker with no extra wounds.

[vernal trench]

Wdym it looks normal when ur on ur last wound

Wat

[unreal nova]

Unless you mod, nope.

[vernal trench]

What

I got mods but it looks nornal even if u on 1hp

Idk what u mean

[unreal nova]

You eat enough corruption to be on last wound.

[vernal trench]

I mean i got 2 wounds

[unreal nova]

The screen goes into flashbang mode.

[vernal trench]

Half the games with blight spreads i get into one wound at some point

[vernal trench]

Can anyone elaborate on this idk what u mean

[unreal nova]

Why do you think I try to be careful or I can't see anything.

Like I said, my screen, to me, is like a cream white flashbang where I can only barely see things.

[tawny timber]

cream?

bang?

wtf?

[unreal nova]

Assuming they aren't overlayed over it like shots.

[vernal trench]

What

Theres no effect when ur on one wounds wdym

[tawny timber]

[unreal nova]

There is a bloody effect when you hit 1 wound with corruption.

You either modded it out or your game is more broken than ever.

[narrow frost]

On your last wound the screen with have a white lense effect

[vernal trench]

Idk i just watched a youtube video with it just now

Its so barely noticible

I probably just never noticed it

[unreal nova]

Is why I complain about the lack of accessiblity.

I am literally more or less blind when it happens.

[vernal trench]

Idk how its an issue if i never even noticed its a thing after playing like 500 hours XD

[unreal nova]

I just have to trust the 'sus' sound engine and my memory of the map.

[vernal trench]

U got an ss of it?

Maybe ur games broken or sth

[unreal nova]

It's just my eyes.

Happens to certain other effects in other games.

[vernal trench]

Oof

[unreal nova]

Why need accessiblity, and sure, I can mod, but what about the ppl who can't?

[grand perch]

it took me about 1100 hours of gameplay before i noticed you could tell explosive from flaming barrels by their colour

i blame red-green blindness

[vernal trench]

Na thats a skill issue i cant defend u on that one

Color blind issue

[unreal nova]

My stance is, give option to turn it off. I already know I dooked up and is on final wound anyway.

Or my totally smart teammates picked up both grims.

One of them died 6 times with 1 grim already.

Both grim well.

[vernal trench]

Tbh i havent played a game with grims for a long time

[unreal nova]

I hate it when QPing.

[vernal trench]

Wtf is qping

Whats all these words mean

[wanton dawn]

Quickplay

[unreal nova]

I don't mind it in sedition or uprising.

[wanton dawn]

Last wound effect deactivated with mods since like, 2 years

[vernal trench]

I dont ever do it cuz i wanna play what i wanna play

[vernal trench]

Maybe its my mods who knows

[wanton dawn]

Disable screen effect is goated

[vernal trench]

Is that a mod?

I dont got that then

[unreal nova]

But for ppl who can't mod, it's an accessibility issue.

[vernal trench]

i prolly just never actually noticed the effect

[wanton dawn]

I also have on that change ally flame into nurgle goo

Cuz i like my eyes

[vernal trench]

What the hell also is that

[wanton dawn]

Change flame effect or smth

[vernal trench]

I only got some basic mods

Too many mods is too many

[wanton dawn]

Lemme check

I think it is this one https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/157?tab=images

This one is nice too https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/230

[vernal trench]

This looks even worse lmao its gonna make me so confused

[wanton dawn]

It isnt about looking good though

It is about not blinding you

Also accessibility

[vernal trench]

Idk im too used to default shit

Dont even use health bars

[wanton dawn]

🤷

Thats your game

[unreal nova]

I just play on hard mode even on sedition, heh.

[wanton dawn]

I have a tons of mod. Most are QoL that do one thing

A ping one. A no jump on chained dodge.

[vernal trench]

I cant even get my creature spawner mod to work

[wanton dawn]

Block on chat

[midnight totem]

Karien

I have to admit, thinking about what your screen looks like to you is scary

[unreal nova]

Naw, just flashbang with las lasers all over.

Easiest way to explain it.

Anything pinged shows up fine in the outlines.

I can kinda barely see anything else otherwise, so basically blind for the same.

Dodging anything like trappers is pure luck if the sound system went jank and plays the sound from an off angle or weirdly.

Like you hear trapper from back but in play is from my left side instead.

[midnight totem]

I see

[unreal nova]

I basically shoot or slide to where the las shots is from, which can include teammates if they run lasguns lul. Unless the heart/skeleton thing shows up, but tbh, the color of the heart blends in.

But yes, this is why I panick more when it happens.

[vernal trench]

Seems like a pretty unique situation unique to u

[unreal nova]

Could be, I can't deal in shades well either and DRG without flare spam is pure black.

[thick rose]

havent even looked at a power sword in over a year... how do they sit currently?

[unreal nova]

Everyone wishes it had gotten the heat system Relic has.

[grand perch]

sort of but its still incredibly powerful

[thick rose]

which psword has the better combo again?

[hollow ibex]

mk6

[warm bolt]

How to use bolter in havoc better?

Just magdump into bosses?

[past tinsel]

vietnam

[warm bolt]

There's no willy pete grenade

[past tinsel]

back in nam

[placid portal]

Get lucky with crits for free 60% dmg boosto

[hollow ibex]

don;t

[stoic thorn]

Blessings for shock maul?

[dry cloak]

Scrusher opportunist works well

Falter is also nice

[tall torrent]

skullcrusher + falter/hammerblow

[light ridge]

What does Falter actually do for Shock Maul?
When I tried it, it didn't have any noticeable improvement to stagger crushers etc...
Hammerblow did noticeably help to stagger them

[unreal nova]

Bullying ragers at low ping.

You hit their heds, they stop hitting you.

[light ridge]

I think Hammerblow does that better, or not having Falter doesn't make a difference

[unreal nova]

Is when they are already in their flurry attacks.

[light ridge]

Still didn't notice a difference with or without it

[unreal nova]

They get buffed stagger resist then.

[wild summit]

man infilatrate and exe stance are more the ass the more i look into it

should let enhanced target priority extend the stances duration if allies kill targets and make it base kit, and remove overwatchs cooldown increase and make it, as well as surprise attack base kit, as well as give infiltrate some additional bonus, that skill just straight blow

[grand perch]

^they need some balancing passes for sure

but theyre not bad honestly, dont force yourself to use VoC

[light ridge]

Don't underestimated the utility of an ability that can make you immune to being target for 8 to 18 seconds

But Infiltration can use some improvement, built in Surprise Attack would be a good start

[untold mulch]

I love using infiltrate for get out of dodge button or get someone else out of dodge button

[light ridge]

Get out of dodge
Get into dodge to get someone else out
Make space to shoot the things Vet is supposed to shoot
Run packages (coolant, bridge and train battery, ...) and back to the rest of the group before being targetted again
Run to and push buttons

[untold mulch]

Exactly

Is a lot of utility, and can be used offensively

The only problem is that the pathing is a kick in the ass

at least to me

[light ridge]

it is, I use it on a recon build and it leaves me very little freedom

[untold mulch]

Are we actually the same build or what

[light ridge]

Lol who knows

[untold mulch]

I am flip flopping last time I logged in between heavy or light accatran

Like spam laser is fun

But I feel I am more consistent with the heavy one

and can hipfire headshots from medium range with no issue

[light ridge]

I run VIc

[untold mulch]

was that the medium one?

[light ridge]

Always ADS because I can't seem to shoot without also clicking right mouse

[wild summit]

not how i work

i am someone who needs all choices to be about equal, not vastly different in quality

i will naturally steer towards the best options

[untold mulch]

I have opposite problem in shooters

I was raised playing Halo CE and a lot of games around that era, ADSing is something I do because I can't see the target well, not for main way of shooting

[light ridge]

I barely played any shooters until I played this one
Soldier of Fortune a bit
Quake (1) a bit
Then years of nothing
Some Ghost Recon and some Battlefield1
And now Darktide excessively

[untold mulch]

Accuracy by volume

Braincells dedicated for situational awareness and dodging

[light ridge]

ADSing because my eyes ain't what they used to be 😆

[untold mulch]

fair

I dislike the movement slow + focused FOV when ADSing, feel "claustrophobic"

[grand perch]

that sounds incredibly boring to me but you do you

[frank ether]

It only took a year of me schizo posting in here to let fatshark unshackle me and finally let me weapon swap with exe stan

but it was too late, the damage was done

[grand perch]

those were tough times man

[frank ether]

I am now too zealot pilled

[wild summit]

well, you are right

[frank ether]

you can fix the FoV part

[grand perch]

i still subconsciously keep my ranged out sometimes when melee would be better

[frank ether]

you can both disable exe stan zoom and if you so please fix ads FoV to be 1:1 with your normal FoV

[untold mulch]

Just recently played Zealot with THammer in a monstruousity maelstrom

it was so fun

[frank ether]

modders doing the heavy lifting for this game so hard

[untold mulch]

Will check

would help a lot

[frank ether]

I also disable the sprint zoom aswell

[untold mulch]

I installed one that reduced those moments where you press weapon swap and nothing happenms

the fact that a MOD is needed for input saving

[frank ether]

funnily enough the only fix I had to do in vermintide was to just disable shake effects for hitting and swinging weapons

no mod needed

baked into settings

[frank ether]

let me look up my mods for you real quick

[grand perch]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/331

mandatory mod imo

[untold mulch]

Yes, thats the one I installed

So good

made the game much better

[frank ether]

So what you need is ConstantFov mod and weapon_fov

[untold mulch]

I can seamlessly go to melee and ranged without fighting the game

[untold mulch]

🫡

[visual kestrel]

Only mod I use is scoreboard

[frank ether]

weapon fov can let you set individual viewmodel fov and zoom fov for each type of weapon

and constant fov should have toggles for sprint zoom, exe zoom etc

[untold mulch]

also I need to fix spidey sense

that isnt working to me

[frank ether]

this greatly reduces that tunnel vision effect that makes exe stan normally a downgrade to have

[untold mulch]

I have not used Exec Stance is a long while

[frank ether]

me neither, been binging zealot

and gunpsyker as guilty pleasure

[untold mulch]

damage and outlights are amazing

but as a Vet my main gun issue is STOP SPAWNING RANDOM POXWALKER

[crimson pebble]

real and based

[frank ether]

scrier still is the better ultimate however vet has a broken kit

[untold mulch]

Vet so many reworks and they still made a frankenstein

[frank ether]

then again so does psyker but vets just broken in different, lower skill floor ways

[untold mulch]

Also still no karking Hellgun

Fatshark hates me

[frank ether]

Idk lately I've been playing vermintide instead

unchained is pretty funny

gonna do some kruber afterwards

[untold mulch]

I played VT2 campaign with the duo, but once finished the game didn't click nor the setting

tho Skaven are hilarious

[thick rose]

holy hell, I thought I was just screwing up... that happens ALL the damn time

[tawdry tinsel]

Is this class the best for starters?

[pallid jetty]

if you find the most fun while playing it, then yes

[surreal hatch]

If it's your first Tide series game, play Vet until you get your feet then switch to Zealot. Learning melee is not optional and zealots survivability makes that learning easier.

[visual remnant]

Yes

[pallid jetty]

you can just create all 4 classes and try everyone

[tawdry tinsel]

First or the second?

[pallid jetty]

just play whatever man

have fun

leave learning for later

[light ridge]

Learning happens automatically
I started with Psyker, did some Veteran, then Zealot a lot, then back to Psyker, a little Ogryn, more Zealot and now main Vet
Learned more about the game with each switch

[thick rose]

I reckon the only thing you really need to 'try' to learn is dodge-sliding

everything else I think you figure out just be playing but that will unlock everything, for every class

[rustic beacon]

And if you want to learn faster don‘t use dueling sword

[wanton dawn]

If you want to learn faster use chainaxe with autopistol (don't)

[slow spade]

That's how you die and there's literally nothing less fun than staring at a death screen lmao

[surreal hatch]

The weird thing about Tide games is they're easiest if you're ok at everything.

The frustrated players griping in chat are usually great at 4 things and don't even know a 5th thing exists and refuse to be told because they've reached the endgame on their own.

[knotty bay]

What is the 5th thing?

[surreal hatch]

IDK i just picked the numbers out of nothing

[latent parcel]

Good thing Maff is only good at 2 things. Plasma and PS!

[slow spade]

Its usually the little things that kill you

Like not knowing that blocking and pushing are 360 degree

[knotty bay]

Wait fr

[slow spade]

You can block and push people behind you at far lower efficiency

[surreal hatch]

(pushing is 360 degree? wtf I've just assuemd its VT2 style arc rules all along)

[slow spade]

Yeah

So if your surrounded, you can start swinging in 1 direction and push occasionally to not be hit in the back to force your way out

[rustic beacon]

I‘d say important fundamentals boil down to 3 things:

• mechanical skill (mostly melee combat and kiting)
• positioning
• spatial awareness

In my experience there are a lot of players who do the first well but are terrible at 2 and 3. The amount of times runs fail because team mates refuse to give up a spot or ignore important special is insane. Even on the highest difficulties

[slow spade]

"Oops silent dog/trapper"

While I agree, I wish the occasional silent dog/trapper didn't happen

Getting punished for the game's mistakes sucks

[thick rose]

silent crusher is wonderful too

[rustic beacon]

Oh yh silent specials excluded ofc. Can‘t do much if you go around a corner and a poxburster instantly explodes in your face without any sound cue

[slow spade]

My Havoc 40 buddy getting vaporized in Maelstrom because he stood next to a door (3 poxbursters teleported there)

[wanton dawn]

I would answer with disdain but i have a meeting starting. I'll hit you later if i dont forget

[latent parcel]

we better play soon! my caxe martydom needs stress testing

[slow spade]

The Vet equivalent of being called a slur UwU

[light ridge]

Missing a dodge on a net and of course 3 bursters appear

[slow spade]

Fun times in Atoma c:

[warm bolt]

Dont forget the Atoma Fried Reject - when you get netted and instantly like 5 flamers appear out of nowhere

[crisp oak]

Does this include getting onetapped by a silent crusher through a door?

[rustic beacon]

That‘s obviously due to very poor mechanical skill on your part ☝🏻

[crisp oak]

Tbf it was because I had tried to door a pogryn and failed

[tawdry tinsel]

Chivalry 2 thought me it

[crisp oak]

I dont dodge slide

Might be a skill issue on my part but never see a reason to except on oggy

[midnight totem]

definitely sounds like a skill issue

[crisp oak]

I mean yeah

[vernal trench]

Definitely

[vernal trench]

Ur a gay ass mf

[latent parcel]

CHONKY

you getting on?

[unreal nova]

Why I think I'm avoiding h40 till the stacks are real.

[latent parcel]

<_<

[unreal nova]

You don't even want to run weekly heresy/damnations with me and yet you want me to drag down H40?

[latent parcel]

wth is weekly heresy damnations

[unreal nova]

Melk stuff.

[latent parcel]

ah

i only run maelstrom

[unreal nova]

.-.

[crisp oak]

What do you even need from heresy/yamnations

Grims/scriptures or smthn

[unreal nova]

Those, I rather run sedition/uprising for... grims. Scriptures is if I see any and hand empty.

Also, just more comfortable playing.

I don't really wanna be a burden on randos tbh.

[crisp oak]

Fair

[latent parcel]

she just likes seeing me suffer and be bored in heresey and damnation

_>

[crisp oak]

I play malice with randos typically because Im lazy

And dont feel like dealing with heresy randos

[unreal nova]

Equally bad as malice.

[crisp oak]

probably swap back to just running heresy/damnations when Im donenwith masteries

[crisp oak]

Nah malice teammates are better

Not even joking

[unreal nova]

Unless you get a weird team just just huddles around you for odd reasons.

[crisp oak]

Think all of the toxicity Ive ever had was in heresy

[unreal nova]

Had that everywhere barring Discord pugs.

More so if I left my VC on ingame from playing with some ppl the night before.

[crisp oak]

Oh I dont have vc on other than discord

[unreal nova]

Some just too lazy.

And ingame chat quality is hilariously better.

[crisp oak]

Lol

[vernal trench]

Havoc teamates are the best

[unreal nova]

They can be toxic before.

Had randos leave cos 4 zealots... on diff lvl 4.

4 dooking choruses. It will be boring, but it's an easy win. Newp. Raged about it and left.

[vernal trench]

They are the best at being shit i mean

[unreal nova]

Ah.

Their assignments so IDC.

[latent parcel]

chonkys just mad

[crisp oak]

I mean 3 zealot diff4 is still easy

[latent parcel]

cuz he isnt meta

[crisp oak]

2 person diff 4 is easy enough

[unreal nova]

Yes, we slap jobbed through it with stupid lag.

No rewards cost host left lmao.

[vernal trench]

He threw me off the map

Chonky unhappy😂😂

[unreal nova]

Sus.

He mad he can't bully me, I guess.

[latent parcel]

i did not!

i watched it happen and laughed at it though

[vernal trench]

Psyker did

[latent parcel]

i wish i clipped it

[vernal trench]

[latent parcel]

you went flying

[vernal trench]

Lmfao

[latent parcel]

[vernal trench]

I tried dodging out but it was too late

[latent parcel]

maximum air

[knotty bay]

I will use the bolter you can't stop me

[vernal trench]

I love bolter

Its gay but i love it

[orchid hemlock]

It being gay is a plus

[unreal nova]

Why did you think that'll get a reply? Just say you love the DS4 and everyone will wanna rip your throat out.

[crisp oak]

Bolter isnt gay, shoving the bolt rounds up your bum is

[knotty bay]

Idk some redditors say it sucks

[crisp oak]

Redditors can suck a boltround

[loud belfry]

damn, that's aggressive

[knotty bay]

I will start the r/darktidecirclejerk

[crisp oak]

Im protective of my bolter

In reality no idea why they would say the bolter sucks

[loud belfry]

knowing how people think it's probably because they see noobs use it and they hate the noobs

[orchid hemlock]

Hate the player not the game 🚬

[burnt stump]

It doesn't suck it's just a little inconvenient to use

Big damage at fast rate is good

But the reload is very slow

In my opinion you'd be better off using the pistol

Also it's recoil kinda sucks

Big gun clearly meant for hands far bigger than yours being used is obviously gonna raise a few statements about it sucking

[hollow ibex]

sounds like skill issues for people that can't handle the gun

[latent parcel]

^

bolter slaps idk what ur on about

[grand perch]

my favorite will always be bolter hipfire spammers

red ammo before they leave the first room

[crisp oak]

I mean there is a time to hipfire bolter

Its called a crusher pack thats murdering your team

[grand perch]

ofc there is but that requires half a brain to decide

[sage adder]

I commonly hipfire if I hotswap to it to pop a specialist fast that doesnt take much aim to kill

[terse idol]

The gun is human sized

[empty root]

hipfiring into a pack of shotgunners/ragers/crushers is a different story from hipfiring into poxwalkers

[terse idol]

Since we're using the version for humans and not the version for astartes

[sage adder]

I only ads if its like a Sniper or something that actually require some amount of aim to pop

[latent parcel]

i hipfire into poxwalkers for maximum scoreboard

[terse idol]

A small cost to pay for big boolet

[burnt stump]

Gun probably weighs like tons

[terse idol]

It weighs probably 20 pounds ima be real

[burnt stump]

I didn't even know they made one for humans and Marines

The gun looked massive so I just assumed they didn't

[terse idol]

Yeahh

[burnt stump]

And they kinda looked the same

[terse idol]

The astartes one is even bigger evidentally

[empty root]

astartes boltgun is 0.75 calibre

no way human size one can be that big

[vernal trench]

It carries on havocs its op

[dusty hedge]

Both are chambered in 0.75 actually, the old lore books covered that

[knotty bay]

I will be taking your word

[dusty hedge]

but Astartes bolters have extra doodads and shit that make them punchier because space tech magic

[vernal trench]

Oh yea? I hip fire into barrels near teamates for maximum scoreboard u loser

Fuck u and ur thumbs ups💀💀💀

[dusty hedge]

incidentally 0.75 caliber is roughly equivalent to 12 gauge, so in the ancient lore you used to be able to fire bolt shells out of shotguns and shotty shells out of bolters

[burnt stump]

Fully automatic .75 caliber shotgun shells that explode

Why isn't this a gun yet for the Marines

[vernal trench]

explode up my azz

[empty root]

never thought of it like that. Just thinking 50 BMG in my head and upping the recoil by 25%

basically an AA-12 with rocket propelled exploding rounds

[dusty hedge]

visually a bolter doesn't look at all like the same size as a 12 gauge shotgun, so the relationship there is heavily disguised by the outrageously massive barrel a bolter has for the actual size of what a 0.75 shell would be

[burnt stump]

Aren't .75 bullets the size of red bull cans or was that an exaggeration

[empty root]

yea visually bolter rounds look like 40mm grenades

[dusty hedge]

though you could argue it's the grimdark space future so maybe the Imperium redefined the caliber scale and 0.75 now means "fist sized bullets" instead of "thumb sized"

[empty root]

writers just describe the rounds as .75 calibre

[unreal nova]

Bosses as well. if you can't hit a boss, you go join the stormtroopers.

[empty root]

me when mag dumping to chaos spawn and missing every shot

[unreal nova]

Your excuse better be, I was playing at 400+ ping.

[empty root]

my excuse is the spawn moves too much

[burnt stump]

It does

How are you supposed to evade the thing anyway

Everytime it pops up they're saying "don't let it get close to grab you!" How

[unreal nova]

Hold block, spam dodge.

[loud belfry]

dodge into its arm

[crisp oak]

You only evade some of its attacks, and block the others

[burnt stump]

That thing is on my ass like a dog smelling bacon in my hand

[empty root]

or beast of nurgle side shot into the weakspot, mag dumping and the muzzle climb causes me to miss 90% of the shots

[burnt stump]

Just full on sprinting at me and harassing me

[loud belfry]

it's hard to dodge when it's straight attacking you since it basically rolls on the floor to attack

[dusty hedge]

It's a bit of an exaggeration. Red bull cans is what a bolter visually SHOULD be firing but that's well beyond the 'caliber' scale of firearm bullet sizes into grenade launcher and mortar scale munitions lke Scuba said, something like 40mm

[burnt stump]

You can block its attacks???

[crisp oak]

Some of them yeah

[empty root]

block all but the big sweeping grab

you gotta dodge that

[burnt stump]

Oh yeah speaking of the grab

[unreal nova]

I mean, is how I knoife tank it.

[burnt stump]

How do you free someone from that

[empty root]

just get close

[burnt stump]

Besides stun

[unreal nova]

Leeroy into the chaos spawn.

[burnt stump]

And Krak Grenade

[empty root]

instead of eating them, they attack you with the player

[unreal nova]

THen dodge back.

[crisp oak]

Shout, taunt, book

Kraks

[empty root]

the usual stuns work

indomitable

[vernal trench]

anyone joining us for a havoc 40 https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1042909101266579467

[dusty hedge]

what are the opinions on using Stripped Down for extra ranged protection in Havoc on the Recon las? I'm not sure Dumdum will help much against Pus-hardened skin

[burnt stump]

So basically just get near it so they don't eat the captive

[empty root]

yes

save them corruption damage

[unreal nova]

Unless you plan to carry, there's no point in asking me.

[empty root]

you only have to get close for a second then you can run away

[burnt stump]

Does VoC make it stagger

Good much better option than being flung

Also can you dodge Plague Ogryn's stupid little charge

[vernal trench]

na we gotta win

[unreal nova]

See, better not ask me.

[burnt stump]

I got a fight a monstrosity in Heresy and see if Krak Grenade melts health same way it does in Malice

[unreal nova]

They should have more HP.

[burnt stump]

Getting another grenade back every minute and having a small chance to throw two is busted honestly

[dusty hedge]

it's good, very good

[burnt stump]

Three Crushers come in ready to stomp you and a tiny little metallic THONK and a rapidly increasing beeping sound makes em scared

Krak Grenade Launcher

[dusty hedge]

not so busted on Havoc these days though, I'd call it required for a Havoc Vet build

[burnt stump]

New weapon leak

Does anyone want to see Poxhound Jumpscare

[heavy rover]

In my opinion running Ghost on the infantry lasguns will provide better ranged protection. I particularly like the mk iib infantry lasgun because the faster rate of fire means you can have a longer uptime on Ghost

[orchid hemlock]

Against pus harden u use Infernus and dumdum

[unreal nova]

I already had the ADS aimassist spin me into a stealth crusher pack behind me before.

[empty root]

wouldnt headhunter be better for more infurnus crits

[burnt stump]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1010611091933515856/1328777494408597535/caption.gif

Funny enough the clip this gif comes from the Poxhound somehow jumped over me

[orchid hemlock]

No HH is a bait blessing on Recon

Dumdum also increases Infernus damage, and once you hit the 12 dot mark u can't add anymore dots

[light ridge]

Been happening a lot to me lately

[loud belfry]

yeahhh poxhounds can jump through you for some reason, even collide a little bit but still go through

[empty root]

skillfull dodge

also revolver with shock maul and kraks

[fierce walrus]

same collision thing happened to me a lot too

sometimes allowing me to slide under the hounds pounce

which looked cool asf minus the slight collision

[pallid jetty]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/339337727541772289/1329124855076880487/GhL95NRWcAAVLjp.jpg?ex=6789337b&is=6787e1fb&hm=c6bbdfe1fc9627646294b11243ed4b6c28c3bdcdd9b995bc16d39bb6f5cf3841&

[wanton dawn]

Oh, that's the path my parents took everyday to get to school ! Nice

[slow spade]

UwU

[frank ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-am-not-going-to-hear-you-out-hear-me-out-sheep-flames-fe-studio-gif-26478875

[slow spade]

Nya~!

[terse idol]

Like orca said yeah hh is a bait since you're trading damage on dumdum

For more crits even though the recon las fires fast enough to just get crits

That you won't really notice hh

[slow spade]

Indeed, a shame headhunter can't be used without a lot of opportunity cost in Havoc

A lot more fun when you can make a sea of fire 😔

[dire olive]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1053823148048527440/1198283981284704276/HoundJumpscare.gif

[pale sand]

Damn, no lava moats or snake pits? Lucky.

[quaint sparrow]

Yo. A question about vet. What is the dumpstat on the powersword?

[hollow ibex]

Cleave Target

[quaint sparrow]

Ty

Cause I've been meaning to switch from chainsword to powersword for a bit now

Seems fun

[hollow ibex]

Be prepared to activate a lot

And have terrible dodges

[quaint sparrow]

the cleave on it is so wonderful

[hollow ibex]

It’s janky but definitely a big upgrade over chainsword

[orchid hemlock]

top 4 melees on vet are prob:

Rashad
DS
Knife
PS

[dusty hedge]

Rashad is so good on Vet

love it

power sword is strong but you can feel the reduced movement and dodges over C-axe/knife/DS

[hollow ibex]

Rashad is just a better always on power sword after all

[dusty hedge]

pretty much true

[orchid hemlock]

Rashad I dont think is better than PS unless u have trench drill

[dusty hedge]

Not always stronger, no, but always more fun and convenient than having to power on the sword regularly, which gets old fast

[hollow ibex]

Well you should be taking it if you run Rashad

[orchid hemlock]

but the value of PS is if you can't afford to go onto the right side of the tree, it is better than Rashad

[hollow ibex]

Yeah that’s the cost of the Rashad

[crisp oak]

I uh.... use tf and the power sword

To braindead fight moebian 21st

[quaint sparrow]

Question. What perks and blessings am I looking to smack on my Powershword?

Also, which mark is the better one?

[pseudo fiber]

mk6
brutal momentum/sunder
power cycler
elite maniac I think is the perks

[quaint sparrow]

ty ^^

[crisp oak]

Power cycler->bromentum is for never using a heavy attack in your lofe

[tidal quail]

does executioners stance count as volley fire for penances

[narrow frost]

yes

[tidal quail]

just to be specific im talked about marked for death

[rustic beacon]

What vet build would be recommended for trying hard mode twins?

[unreal nova]

Any, tbh. Whatever suits the team. I did it on grenadier VoC before.

[rustic beacon]

Alright, will just with my main build then

[tame lodge]

Field Improvisation

https://tenor.com/view/posted-up-jesterott-gif-2048668175529480731

[tall torrent]

yes it counts

[tidal quail]

yup tried it counted ty

[quaint sparrow]

Okay, but which of these in combination if I may ask ? If I lets say want powercycler for more powered hits

What should my second be?

[pseudo fiber]

brutal momentum or sunder

power cycler is a literal must on power sword

[quaint sparrow]

Ah, i understand

okay

I'm gonna try it with bromentum then ^^

[pseudo fiber]

it's very good enjoy

[umbral scaffold]

I’ve beat it with a columnus MK v and ex stance, then a generic plasma VOC build

biggest recommendation for twins hard mode is a good team

Yellow ping is good for twins as well

[orchid hemlock]

Twins is mostly a skill check

It isn't actually difficult if you understand the fundemental of the game and punishes you if you have bad habits

[lucid bough]

Tried out the full blown grenadier build tonight:
melee feels like dog water because no crit chance or attack speed talents. Grenades didn't replenish fast enough to make up for it. Twinned blast is too unreliable and feels like a wasted talent point most of the time. But when it proccs it is fun.
Still, you spend most of the time meleeing and gimping that for nades feels limiting.

[orchid hemlock]

You don't know how to block?

You die

You don't know how to position away from the bombs?

You are going to die

You don't know how to prioritize killing elites?

You are going to die

[slow spade]

just don't get hit?

its literally that easy

[orchid hemlock]

Truuuuu

But is actually blows my mind that even lvl 500+ people refuse to block Rinda is agro on you

[tall torrent]

u should consider grenade talents as more of an add-on after building your whole kit out

some weapons want specific talents to perform optimally so they'll need to be prioritized

twinned blast is inconsistent, it's basically a funny meme talent

grenadier is cool but usually not worth 2 points to grab it unless u already path down infiltrate

just demo stockpile + demo team is enough 95%+ the time

[lucid bough]

I know, yet this guy on reddit sweared by it, so I checked what he is on about. Can't dislike a build before trying.

[orchid hemlock]

reddit

[tall torrent]

unfortunately most people are not very good in this game

take all advice with a grain of salt

[orchid hemlock]

I still remember that comment that said without hesitation: "I got all classes to level 30, I can tell you that Psyker is the hardest class in the game"

[hollow ibex]

Just take dueling sword

And enjoy the nades

[tough tiger]

Bro forgor to press R

[normal sparrow]

As per usual
Ignore without solid proof

[lucid bough]

He said he played it on auric maelstrom

[tough tiger]

@normal sparrow sleep or 4 psyker havoc 40, bone

[hollow ibex]

Grenadier build is good

And a lot of fun

[normal sparrow]

These can vary between getting carried by 3 gods and director taking a sleep

[orchid hemlock]

I can top the damage charts with a lacerate punch build on my Zealot

[normal sparrow]

Not doing it without invites, also hand hurts playing psyker

[sturdy snow]

Is there an equivalent to an m1 garand that we could get as a weapon? I wanna hear the ping in Darktide

[tough tiger]

Truw

Carpal tunnel is real after all those psyker games

[tall torrent]

that's like, so wildly inconsistent in terms of difficulty benchmark

he could have gotten carried in a random auric maelstrom

[normal sparrow]

Theres also training wheel hunting grounds

[orchid hemlock]

What do u mean? u press 2 buttons and the wave dies 🤔

[tall torrent]

@orchid hemlock I'm now like 34 weapons away from completing the weapons section in steam guide

finished shotguns today

and mk10 laspistol

[orchid hemlock]

Almost there

[tall torrent]

9 ranged left

then it's all melee

[tough tiger]

Fatshark pls add 10 more vet weapons

[tall torrent]

I'm gonna have some hard truths abt certain melee weapons

[tough tiger]

Dclaw S tier

I KNEW IT

[orchid hemlock]

Steam reviewers gonna make communities on your CS takes

[normal sparrow]

Chainsword bad?

[tough tiger]

Always

[tall torrent]

I'm merely correct

[tough tiger]

[tall torrent]

[tame lodge]

Let's say
Good at hordes

[tall torrent]

suffering builds character
suffering builds character
suffering builds character
suffering builds character

[normal sparrow]

For larping

[tame lodge]

Chainsword is peak on zealot though

[tall torrent]

chainsword might get a 3/10 in the "elite mixed horde" area

3/10 carapace too tbh?

boss maybe 3~4/10

stagger value 3~4/10

[terse idol]

That's pretty bad

[normal sparrow]

No need to stagger if you kill

[tall torrent]

I should clarify that staggering them means stopping their atk animation

[lucid bough]

https://youtu.be/KCLqODw6kDI?feature=shared

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as in, u can make trapper net disappear midair by staggering them

[terse idol]

The knife iss a little harder to use

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I'm not seeing anything particularly impressive

[terse idol]

Like if that build is based around bistol with LP, you should have bp's with puncture
And then you still have to make sure to do the PA on crushers with the funny knife combo

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he's also cutting edits so much idk why

[terse idol]

That caught me off guard

Stabbing the pogryn and then editing to go to shoot them with bistol

[latent parcel]

hell yeah. youtube video builds

my favorite way to learn how to play darktide

i heard path is going to be watching some frame dropping youtube videos later so we can finally play havoc 40 together

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I'm not playing h40s atm

updating guide

[latent parcel]

awww

1 day path.... 1 day

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after guide is done in 5 months' time

also I sorta don't care about h40s as much

current modifiers are kinda just boring

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yeah most people dont

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waiting for more stuff

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hopefully soon

i just dont enjoy anything else anymore

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pus hardened is arbitrary difficulty for the sake of fucking veteran over

it's not interestingly difficult, it's just annoying

[slow spade]

and the rewards are pretty meh

[latent parcel]

i hate blight more for the fact that zealot needs to take 4-5 point tax to just take a stupid aura

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moebian 21st doesn't do enough to change combat flow in a mode where psyker flames everything

[slow spade]

like plasteel and diamantine stop mattering by the time you do Havocs lol

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if the meta wasn't so flame dominant, moebian 21st could be cool

[slow spade]

give us Aquillas

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cranial exists

[latent parcel]

we usually just dont bring a psyker tbh

or cc

[slow spade]

abhor the freak

good team

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and blight is the only modifier that is somewhat interesting

but kinda fucks zealot over in needing a specific aura with bad pathing

[latent parcel]

it really fucks over zealot

4-5 points gone

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plus the current shooters just forcing everyone to play so passively until dome/gold toughness is back up

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thats honestly a skill issue

we dont usually run gold toughness or dome

[slow spade]

that's just not smart

like not even a "git gud" thing

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its just not needed

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u can 100% play without them

it's just 10x safer to play with them

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i dont even play near the dome if we have one. i press w

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and pubs are pubs

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unless im on vet

then i stand near it

but u dont need it

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cool game mode but current modifier pool is very boring

[latent parcel]

i agree on the modifier pool

i just hope it doesnt get nerfed

[slow spade]

I wish Moebian 21st was in the main game

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I think pus needs adjustments

[slow spade]

they look cool :c

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blight can use a small nerf on puddle duration

[latent parcel]

yeah maybe like 25% instead of 50% or make it target more melee units

if they nerf the modifiers so be it

i just dont want the damage from the enemies to be nerfed

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nerf pus harden spawn chance on reaper
make pus harden apply to all DOTs
make successful stagger temporarily disable pus hardened's ranged dmg reduction

[latent parcel]

those are good

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it needs to be more interesting

but that's down to how FS wants to implement it

I'm more just waiting for new playable content and optimization pass

new weapons and maps

[latent parcel]

yeah they slow on that shit too

we'll see what happens

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dark communion is such a thematically cool map tbh

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dc is awesome

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they've been cooking with the maps in 2024
besides rolling steel at launch

rolling steel at launch was unoptimized dogshit plus the horrible minigame events

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I think the only modifier that's interesting is blight and none of the other modifiers achieve what they set out to do

[vapid nacelle]

im high playing keystoneless vet and this is the dream

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emperor's fading light is thematically cool but it's so so so so aids with pus hardened being 50% spawn chance on ranged elites

raised enemies' stagger reduction is also just not done right

it should be increased enemies' stagger immune window instead of messing with stagger system as is

[calm shard]

what's going on here

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there's maybe 2.5 people in the whole community that understand how stagger in this game actually works

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me working on guide

[fading kayak]

I’m a ps player I’m barely learning all the effects of rending and brittle and stagger it’s a headache lowkey

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those are like some of the EASIEST mechanics in this game

it's only 1 page

[fading kayak]

Just had to YouTube a bunch of video during my first weeks of this game and fixed some of my zealot and veteran builds and kinda figured why I was getting one tapped in auric

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this should scare u a lot more

[fading kayak]

But sah can’t read sah

[latent parcel]

thats what i said when he told me to read his guide!

[fading kayak]

I need to read more of that page you sent Ty

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I can send u more

[calm shard]

surely it's not that complicated

[fading kayak]

Can you please

[calm shard]

there's no reason for fatshark to make absurdly complicated math for their damage so surely they didn't

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would u like to find out

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which part

[fading kayak]

I’m slowly understanding why people dislike fathers during the early stages of the game

[fading kayak]

The rending and brittle

And also crit

If possible

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I just sent u how rending & brittleness work

which other part

[fading kayak]

stagger if possible

[broken spade]

Did you ever figure out why increased damage taken debuffs work differently when adms are really low?

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no
I've taken the stance of "Psykers be wack"

[broken spade]

i remember it happening with focus target too so it's not just the psyker debuff

i guess it'll never matter anyways. no one cares about how much damage they do on their 30 damage hits against cara

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focus target is x1.04 per stack

multiplicative between stacks

[broken spade]

yes i'm aware

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maybe it's just carapace being weird

[broken spade]

it got the correct numbers when i used a high adm weapon and the wrong ones when i used a low adm weapon

[calm shard]

So it...doesn't give the advertised damage boost

[broken spade]

iirc i was using like an uncharged power sword

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it says +4% per stack but is actually x1.04 per stack which is more

let's say u have +10% dmg and apply 2 stacks of focus target

u might think you're getting 10+4+4 = 18% dmg extra

that is not the case

you're actually getting 110% x(1.04)^2

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which is 118.98%