veteran-class

[crisp oak]

-more than the inferno at least

[unreal nova]

And really, just ignore the troll.

[calm shard]

who?

[unreal nova]

I mean, that is havoc 40 flamer zealot lul.

[marsh shard]

Shredders and Purge dunk on hordes is the thing

[unreal nova]

IDK, he first person I blocked other than crazy thirsty perverts I meet.

[opaque violet]

most situations I need to pull out the flamer I can keep flaming until eveything is either dead, or my reserves are completely gone. almost no need to reload ever

[calm shard]

who?

[marsh shard]

Dudes mad @ me

[unreal nova]

Is fine. We go back to flamer vs burny stick. Both gud, melt bosses in emergency.

[calm shard]

Who?

why are you dodging this so much

[frank ether]

tknives just fall off hard because of havoc modifiers while shredder spam still clears rooms

[marsh shard]

I made the claim Zealot aint worth playing if not utilizing tknives well because their nades are ass and the rest of their kit doesn't stack up well against the other classes, vet in particular.

Not far ahead in melee and lightyears behind in range + nades

Which led to ppl disagreeing

[calm shard]

how would immolation grenades be ass when pus hardened skin doesn't work on dot effects

[sinful palm]

bro play whatever you like and stop arguing lmao

[unreal nova]

Who else is complaining about psykers when playing with pugs? Who else said knives are the only option for zealots? Who else is like zealots using ammo in h40 is bad?

[marsh shard]

I'd like to see those have some sort of method of regenerating, similar to how vet can regenerate theirs

[calm shard]

I dunno you haven't said their name and are fidgeting like a child being called out for bad behavior

[still crater]

Yeah I know how tknives work I main zealot lmfao

You have to set it up before u throw though

[still crater]

No you're wrong

[still crater]

No you're wrong

[marsh shard]

Wrong for thinking they should regen?

[still crater]

You're wrong

[tall torrent]

Uncanny strike is not 120% rending

[opaque violet]

24% stacking 5 times

does that not equal 120%?

[unreal nova]

Pretty sure it's fairly obvious who I mean. That Music4Therapy guy. Guy needs to get off and listen to music instead.

[tall torrent]

Going up to rending’s innate cap of 100% (the excess 20% does nothing)

[calm shard]

Was that so hard to just say their name?

And they're very obviously not a troll they just have bad takes

[tall torrent]

Rending (and ADM modifiers in general) are innately capped at 100%, and cannot exceed this value

[opaque violet]

everyone I have asked has said excess rending provides extra damage

[tall torrent]

That’s a different thing
If rending boosts an attack’s total ADM >1, the portion that’s >1 is converted into +damage at 0.25x of value

But rending itself has an innate cap of 100%

[unreal nova]

Going to gen+at least 2 mains to complain when lfg exists to not deal with randos doing whatever.

[opaque violet]

okay, but the total value attributable to the trait is still 120% which means it is still getting the full effect and then adding damage

I wasn't explaining the specifics I was pointing out the value that the trait provides based on the skill description

[tall torrent]

Again, total value is 100% because rending is innately capped at 100% (the extra 20% does nothing)

If this 100% rending helps an attack exceed >1 ADM (which it most likely will), the portion that’s >1 will convert into +damage at 0.25x of its value

[frank ether]

I like how this is what you're arguing instead of asking why in the hell did they think a blessing that caps rending is a good idea

[tall torrent]

Uncanny’s rending bonus actually goes in
0%
24%
48%
72%
96%
100%

[crisp oak]

Does brittleness and rending stack if both are at 100%

[calm shard]

it'd be fine if it didn't apply to anything else and just the weapons attacks...probably

And also if the DS4 wasn't bullshit

[opaque violet]

yes, obviously you cant rend more armor that actually exists, again, I only was specifying the total value based on the skill description

[calm shard]

Actually wait no it wouldn't be because it's still an obvious choice on any weapon that has it

[tall torrent]

They stack additively on top of the attacks’ base ADM
Brittleness can only go as high as 80% even in the most extreme condition
Normal brittleness goes up to 40%
If there’s a veteran to apply exploit weakness onto enemies, extra 20%
If there’s a flame staff with penetrating flames, another 20%

[marsh shard]

I dont think I've ever gone to gen chat

[tall torrent]

Yea, skill description just missed out on the part that explains how rending works

[tall torrent]

Should be 20% at full stacks and melee-rending only

[opaque violet]

yeah, never was the intention to argue specifics on the game mechanics, it was just a point that you hit the rending cap

[tall torrent]

Like most fatshark tooltips, they don’t tell u remotely enough on how things actually work

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[opaque violet]

wish they would specify crit rate somewhere for the weapons. unless they do and I just do not know where it is. I was going with the assumption for awhile that all weapons just held the base 5% until someone told me my knife actually is giving me +15% to that and I had way more crit rate in my build that I really ever needed

[frank ether]

that'd be at least sensible

[opaque violet]

If it is only giving 20% I am just going to swap back to ruthless backstab though. Only reason I swapped is because people convinced me that it was more worth it for that since it applies to hits aside from backstabs

[unreal nova]

Is only in the code, so gotta ask one of those ppl who read them.

[opaque violet]

should definitely be a stat that is more visible. crit rate is pretty significant to some builds

[calm shard]

Only weapons that have a "critical bonus" or "finesse" modifier can see their crit rate

actually I don't think finesse can it might be only critical bonus

[opaque violet]

where? my knife has finesse stat, but it doesnt say anything about increased critical hit chance

[unreal nova]

Only crit damage.

[opaque violet]

ah okay

[calm shard]

yeah only critical bonus

very sad

why would fatshark do this

[unreal nova]

Critical bonus might have it.

At least the tacaxe.

The numbers guy has it all lul.

[calm shard]

isn't vet base crit 10%?

[tall torrent]

No, that was ages ago

You can get 10% if u take the +5% node

[opaque violet]

I need to forward this to my friends group chat now. a lot of information their that is going to effect their builds

[calm shard]

oh no it's 5

used to be 10 ages ago yeah

[opaque violet]

thank you

[tall torrent]

This excludes other conditional activated talents that affect crit chance
Melee weapons’ crit chance bonus are only applied when attacking with melee weapon
Ranged weapons’ crit chance bonus are only applied on ranged attacks

So for example, Helbore’s +5% is only for the “gun” portion of the weapon, not the bayonet

In addition, talents that strictly say “+melee attack crit chance” only affects melee weapons’ attacks’ crit chance

Veteran’s Desperado’s +10% melee crit chance bonus only applies to melee weapon

[opaque violet]

great info, I appreciate it

[calm shard]

shit that should be visible in game but just isn't because fatshark

I was there and can still barely believe how bad it used to be

literally just got vague bars with no explanation or inspect

[marsh shard]

What a guy

[unreal nova]

I mean, no change from VT. Lul

[tame lodge]

5 String

[tall torrent]

<@&735928989146939404> pin this thx

[marsh shard]

I'd like to hear other people's opinions regarding meta vet vs meta zealot

[pseudo fiber]

which part in particular

[marsh shard]

Am I wrong to think vet and zealot aren't far apart in terms of melee damage?

[thorn lark]

I am pretty sure you can find it on gamelantern

[marsh shard]

Zealot is certainly more mobile and does have signif more built in dr when using said mobility (they have built-in 50% dr when dodging/sliding/sprinting)

[tall torrent]

That dodge/slide/sprint part is not working the way you think

[marsh shard]

Well

[thorn lark]

Vet feels more well rounded to me

[crisp oak]

Keep in mind this also changes between fotf and book

[tall torrent]

I’m fairly certain that 0.5x modifier only applies to the “bonus” damage that’s from enemies’ attacks’ toughness damage modifier

Not the whole damage

[thorn lark]

You can build melee vet and still be good with a gun. You cannot really do ranged zealot sadly

[opaque violet]

I though zealots with flamers and bolters did pretty good

[marsh shard]

Either way, in a pre-made group/optimal conditions you have overshield and/or a bubble.

With coherency, Vet reaches absurd levels of dr

[crisp oak]

Flamers arent really ranged, bolters are more as an oh shit button at mid range

I think zealots shooting is fine tbh

[tame lodge]

Used to be better
RIP Chastise Ranged

[crisp oak]

Laspistol still does most of the work it needs to, revolver does its job too

[marsh shard]

Zealot shooting feels like revolver/bistol to take out specials before dumpstering stuff in melee

[thorn lark]

What I mean is that there's few talents impacting range.

[crisp oak]

Pretty much

Because you are tankier while regaining toughness while dodging

And crit damage

And weakspot damage

And tdr

And reduced spread

[empty root]

or using a knife to do that, and having a flamer or bolter for emergency clear

[grand perch]

how / with which attacks does taxe have 80% crchance bonus?

or is that finesse bonus and i am misreading

[opaque violet]

yeah, and that is fine, I am jhust saying that their shooting is not awful. You are just choosing weapons to suppliment your melee rather than making ranges your focus

[calm shard]

taxe has 12% extra base crit at max crit bonus

[tall torrent]

All attacks excluding mk2’s L3 and SP2 are up to +12%
Mk2’s L3 and SP2 have up to +7.5%

[thorn lark]

You can still snipes elites and specials tbh

[empty root]

with bolter?

[grand perch]

oh its about the stat got it

[thorn lark]

Oh yeah I agree. I am bolter zealot and I often have a nice 50% melee 50% range DMG split

[marsh shard]

Hmm

[thorn lark]

Yeah. Not the flamer lol

[empty root]

flamer is a screen wipe

[sinful palm]

bolter and duelling sword and u can kill anything at any range

[marsh shard]

When I run Zealot I typically run Crusher + Bistol

[empty root]

also depending on the team comp or game mode dictates how much ammo you can actually use as zealot

[thorn lark]

Except that sniper 500m away at the end of consignment yard

[empty root]

you should be able to be flexible

[marsh shard]

Crusher is insanely good/underrated

[sinful palm]

i dont have a problem killing things from 1km away

[empty root]

and use little to no ammo pickups if the game calls for it

[thorn lark]

Crusher is not underrated

The glow up is a bit old now

[opaque violet]

I like killing that guy with the leftover fragbomb when I play ogryn

[thorn lark]

Ah sorry I read flamer and not bolter.

[sinful palm]

[marsh shard]

I like being able to play aggressively into bulwarks, if that makes sense

And crusher is like... if the trauma staff was a melee weapon

[thorn lark]

I miss opening the shield

I wish I knew what are the exact bps to do that

[empty root]

crusher, power maul and trauma staff are the weapons that can chain stun groups of crushers

[thorn lark]

Smite too

[opaque violet]

I wish I could get my group's psyker players to try trauma staff

[empty root]

its hard to pick up

I never came close to mastering it

[marsh shard]

I personally prefer surge staff

[empty root]

good trauma staff players are godlike CC tho

[inland orchid]

Love me some trauma clutching

My last havoc got me some good practice

[empty root]

honestly a lot of my 30+ havoc wipes were due to getting cornered by massive elite packs

[opaque violet]

I feel like a lot of people do not realize how effective it can be and just ddo not give it a chance

[empty root]

I think the biggest peice a lot of groups miss out on is the infinite CC

like trauma or crusher or power maul

[inland orchid]

Anything u don’t kill is either standing still or staggered on the floor like u put a banana peel

It’s amazing

[opaque violet]

Might try to get my wife to try it next time she plays psyker, I have tried to convince my firends but they are only interested in fflame staves and surge staves most of the time

or gun psykers

[marsh shard]

I've been hyping up how amazing Vet is as a class, but I haven't found a "comfort" pick yet.

My comfort picks right now are Dclaw + Surge Staff + Bubble Psyker... and Crusher + Bistol Zealot

Dclaw + Surge Psyker def my #1 go to

[empty root]

perfect team is VOC plasma/ds4 vet, ds4/flamer chorus zealot (beacon if needed), bubble purge psyker, and a well built ogryn

pysker doesnt HAVE to use purg, any staff works

[light ridge]

FotF+Dagger : The Zealot is the ranged weapon

[marsh shard]

Idk what it is, on paper Vet looks miles ahead of Zealot but in practice Zealot feels much better to play

[calm shard]

why plasma on vet instead of reconlas or laspistol

[marsh shard]

To me

[calm shard]

more ammo, and scales better into late havocs

[empty root]

ranged cleave

[calm shard]

okay be weird and use the brown reconlas then

that has cleave too

or a...helbore

[empty root]

recon las slurps too much ammo

even built with no ammo on crit

is still uses too much

40 havoc vet is weapon spec and meleeing 90% of the time

[sleek garden]

why are smykers so dumb

[empty root]

swap to plama to drop dangeerous specialists

[sleek garden]

im watching this one try and smite a sniper at long range

its not working

[empty root]

plasma can drop them on the other side of a horde

[sleek garden]

he wont pull out his gun

[light ridge]

Worse ammo economy and dps than the other two

[calm shard]

infinite CC that eventually kills anything means they don't learn anything abut the game

[empty root]

a lot of vets defense is front loaded, if that defense is stripped, they can go down QUICKLY

[calm shard]

because they don't have to to function

[empty root]

zealot can take fatal damage and not go down

[calm shard]

happens to those staff psykers using trauma and purge too

[marsh shard]

Thats not even it for me though

[calm shard]

they're 100% reliant on the infinite CC and crowd control from their staff/smite so they just...don't learn how to do anything else since the game rarely forces them to

even more rarely if there's even one competent player on the team that kills things that they can't CC for them

[inland orchid]

Ty Gawain

[empty root]

Thats it for me. When things are going good on vet, they are good. When a certain amount of pressure is applied though, I fold quickly. In that same pressure, I can survive as zealot and pick things back up.

[marsh shard]

Thats actually one of the main selling points of vet over Zealot to me, Zealot requires a dodge or a melee kill to regenerate toughness.

Vet can chuck one of his 50 shredders and go from 0 to 100.

I feel signif better about recovering from being dropped to 0 toughness on my vet than I do on my zealot

[empty root]

I coulnt take vet or psyker past havoc 30, but getting to 40 was no prob with zealot

i feel like zealot fits the gameplay mold perfectly, whereas other classes dont exactly

[marsh shard]

I will say, being backed into a corner is scary af with Vet

[empty root]

like the gameplay mold of mostly melee, some range, high threat high mobility gameplay

the zealot just plays naturally into that gameplay mold

[marsh shard]

Feel right at home being backed into a corner tho as Zealot with a crusher. My god that thing eats everything

[light ridge]

How often I've retreated from chaff and crumpled to the floor from a hit in the back

Never happens on zealot

[marsh shard]

Thats prob why I prefer Zealot, I still have vt2 habits

Psyker is easily most preferred

[calm shard]

it's so unbelievably annoying playing gun build vet

I'll turn around stab the 2 poxwalkers meleeing me in the back so I can focus on aiming

Turn back around and instantly hear the melee audio queue again

and hey wow 3 more poxwalkers appeared

where'd they come from?

I'm not near an enemy spawn, or a high place they could've dropped down from

how did they get there

[empty root]

again, the game forces you into that gameplay loop where you are meleeing most of the time

and only pulling out range weapons in specific situations

shoe horning vet into the weapon specialist capstone paystyle in high levels of play

[marsh shard]

Last week on my psyker I legit melted 2 bosses with a dclaw by machine gunning off parries from the pack of ragers that was swinging at my back while I was looking at the bosses

[empty root]

really leaning into that gameplay at havoc 40 by cutting ammo drops to comicaly low levels

[marsh shard]

Thing is thats already my gameplay style

[calm shard]

yeah even on gun vet I am running around with my knife a lot of the time

in between exe stance and killing every ranged enemy

I mostly just focus on killing elites/specials above all else while the other 3 goobers kill the horde

[marsh shard]

Dclaw is so good

[light ridge]

Infiltration with Recon, hear that melee sound, Infiltration
Shoot the buggers in the back as they run to the rest of the team

[sleek garden]

oh my god do you guys get ghost hits too

i just shot a sniper in the head and i saw a burn mark a blood splat and a headshot crunch sound but not a hitmarker

and then it shot me and killed me

[marsh shard]

The thing that pushes me away from Zealot is that I hate their toughness regen

[sleek garden]

i absolutely cannot stand this smyker in my game still

im upset ive died faster than him

he has detonated or let poxbursters detonate in my face

multiple times

oh my god he has a flame staff

and hes just smiting hordes

[calm shard]

clearly he's better than you because he hasn't died and you have /s

[marsh shard]

Yeah, most psyker players are dogshit

Tens, hundreds of hours of channeling smite or spamming assails in t1-3 difficulty has rotted their brains

[empty root]

psyker is quite the enigma

psyker has the highest upper limit for damage and CC potential of any class, in the most fragile of packages

good psykers are based af, bad psykers are a liability

[marsh shard]

Idk, at release I ran antax mkv + surge staff w/ BB. After the fix, the comfort pick became rashad + surge staff + BB.

Never really invested much time in smite, when I did I used it to weave similar to how you weave assails

[empty root]

i played psyker at release and failed miserably, switched to ogryn

[marsh shard]

These days, its dclaw + surge + bb

[sleek garden]

he never died and i died twice

i feel like jumping out of a window

[opaque violet]

All of zealot active abilities can restore toughness

[sleek garden]

the first time i was jumping down from a ledge and a trapper hit me midair and pulled me back up

[empty root]

if I get poxed once in a pub, I just start shooting them and stop caring about my team

[sleek garden]

the second time i shot a sniper in the head and it made all the reaction and noise of getting shot but simply took no damage and shot me

[empty root]

or if im playing stealth zealot I just pop stealth and peace out when a poxburster is coming

let them deal with it

not my problem

[sleek garden]

smyker never pushed away a poxburster

it directly contributed to my second death because i got exploded twice

he never dodged either

and he went down in a horde smiting

he had a flame staff

so stupid

[marsh shard]

Zealot have a lot of ways to restore toughness, but seems as tho (outside of book) they dont have "burst" toughness generate that enables them to safely go from 0 - 100 like a Psyker can. Vet has great toughness regen too

[sleek garden]

they also have ways to stack damage reduction though

and even regenerate some lost health

[opaque violet]

Fotf immediatly restores 50% toughness and they can have 2 charges

[marsh shard]

Youre keeping up the 20% atk speed buff from fotf tho

Ideally youre using it like every 10secs

[crisp oak]

Or you are using book

[marsh shard]

Right

[crisp oak]

And then you get mega toughness

Or shroudfield

[sleek garden]

yeah and then you stand there while your teammates are fighting

[crisp oak]

But charge cooldowns get hilariously slow in hordes with a cleave wep

[sleek garden]

or you could use chastise knock over a crusher and hit him for 3000 damage

[crisp oak]

Like can pop it every 3 seconds

Assuming piety

[sleek garden]

currently hopping between a hammer chastise loadout and a chainsword chastise loadout

[crisp oak]

And if you are running stalwart thats extra tdr

[marsh shard]

Well, vet has uber high damage mitigation when at high levels of toughness... and if they get knocked down to mid/0 toughness they can go back to 100 by chucking a shredder

[sleek garden]

which one should i bring into my next match

[crisp oak]

Hammer feels soooo good

With charge

[sleek garden]

they don't have direct hp damage resistance though

[crisp oak]

Issue is I cant hordeclear well with it

[sleek garden]

and are the easiest to get stunned out of whatever you are doing

if you get hit once you are probably going to get hit again

[crisp oak]

Yeah twbs is a great node

[sleek garden]

slaughterer

idk usually my teammates can do it somewhat well, you're at least knocking people over

[light ridge]

Knife + FoTF or Shroudfield and the cooldown reduction on crit = constant up-uptime and constant Toughness replenishment

[empty root]

the main difference is that veteran toughness damage reduction is frontloaded from iron will, zealot is not

[opaque violet]

Yeah, I trigger my shroudfield within 5 seconds after it ends once a fight starts

[marsh shard]

I'm used to psyker, where legit any time I generate or quell peril... inside or outside of combat, melee or ranged.... I generate a truckload of toughness

I can stand in a bubble and get like 10%/sec

[empty root]

honestly one of the biggest things that improved my gameplay was stop relying on toughness returning and just focus on avoiding damage.

[marsh shard]

On top of that

[empty root]

like when I was learning the game, and my toughness broke, I would focus on doing actions for my class that would return toughness

where now, when my toughness breaks, I focus soley on avoiding any more damage

and let my toughness restore naturally through gameplay

[marsh shard]

Its weird because it was never even a thought in my head until I started played non-psyker classes

Like, I was so used to toughness being something that just... went back to full

[empty root]

toughness restores for everyone, just need to keep fightning and stop taking damage

stop thinking about it

[opaque violet]

I rarely actually check my toughness bar because I’m more focused on dodging and maneuvering to kill. All my triggers for toughness are going to happen as long as I play correctly

[crisp oak]

Yee slaughterer helps

[crisp oak]

Pretty much

Bonus is just never getting your toughness broken

[marsh shard]

I get it, its just weird.

Like, with psyker you dont even need los to continue killing shit

Surge staff goes brrrr

[empty root]

yea but when your toughness breaks, you might think I need to kill more stuff with my staff to get toughmess, when really you should pull out your melee weapon and fucking defend yourself

dodge, push, kill

survive

toughness will come back no matter what

melee kills, coherency regen, crits

its just breaking that train of thought and using your mental focus soley on defending yourself and avoiding taking any hits

[opaque violet]

I probably part of the issue my friend has when playing veteran

[empty root]

its probably the biggest thing holding back a mediocre player

[opaque violet]

Too reliant in ranged and end up panicking or fleeing if to much melee is happening then go down regardless

[marsh shard]

My typical gameplay loop is to bubble, surge down the specials/guns, then when stuff gets in my face I whip out the dclaw and take them to cleave/parry town

[empty root]

someone who can get through a regular damnation but gets dunked in aurics

[calm shard]

I mean I consider myself decent and still do this against ranged enemies

because you cannot avoid their damage consistently

[empty root]

ranged enemies your first reaction should be to find cover

actual physical cover

[calm shard]

aside from just like...not being anywhere near them in the first place

[calm shard]

works against scab shooters sure

but stalkers, and shotgunners?

[marsh shard]

My purpose in life is to hop onto darktide and protect the homies from the guns.

Bubble up and zap zap

[calm shard]

they'll just follow you and keep shooting you

[sage adder]

I usually dont take too much from ranged enemies, primarily only do if I'm isolated from teammates

[empty root]

in a very general sense

[calm shard]

or the cover will have a tiny gap in it and you get shot through it anyways

[empty root]

there is times where you push to melee, return fire on the spot, etc

[calm shard]

or your character is too tall and LoS isn't drawn to the players camera so you get shot anyways

[marsh shard]

Enemies in my face? I'm handing out parries like oprah winfrey hands out cars

[empty root]

but a lot of the time cover can save you and give you space to react properly

[marsh shard]

Bubble up

Kill so many elites I drop 3 bubbles simultaneously

[empty root]

like in a simplistic scenario you are a vet and facing a line of 10 gunners, a bad player will start shooting and trying to face tank with confirmed kill, while a good vet mike take cover and peek and kill one gunner at a time

[opaque violet]

Cover isn’t always to stop everything from hitting you, your mitigating what can hit you. The more you reduce what is hitting the more likely you are to survive.

[empty root]

if your caught in the open you either need to dodge+shoot and fight for your life or get into melee if possible

[calm shard]

okay but it only takes 1 shooter to instantly destroy your toughness, and even outright kill you if it's in havoc

so any mitigation that isn't mitigating all ranged damage you take is just dying anyways

[empty root]

thats where the team aspect comes into play

[trim tiger]

there is no teamplay in this game

[empty root]

high havoc for me was just slowly walking the psyker bubble forward and operating on that

[marsh shard]

Thats where I come in fam

[opaque violet]

Okay, so the option is instead to get gunned down by 10 guys in the open?

[empty root]

in a simplistic sense

[marsh shard]

Drop the bubble

[calm shard]

if I'm in the open I can be dodging, and sliding

and sprinting when that decides to actually dodge ranged fire once in a blue moon

[sage adder]

Remember doing a mission and both our Psykers were making a bubble walkway to our respawns

[trim tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-dodge-neo-gif-13288848

[calm shard]

if I'm in cover I'm not able to do that without leaving the cover

[marsh shard]

What were the names?

Had a game where me and a random did that today

[crisp oak]

Just use strupped down

And duck and dive

Be immune to gunfire

[calm shard]

or I can use the good avoid gunfire blessing with ghost

and just stand there and shoot them

[marsh shard]

Bubble vs beast of nurgle = gg

[sage adder]

I forgot but my name in the match was Castus

[crisp oak]

If you run run and gun you can pretend to be a zealot

Sprinting and hipfirinf

With a bauto or smthn

[opaque violet]

No one said remain stationary, you break line of sight with as many shooters as you can then kill them in more favorable terms. Cover does always mean sitting in a single spot and returning fire

[crisp oak]

With unlimited stamina

[marsh shard]

After playing zealot/vet

I feel better about running surge on psyker and killing gunners from range

Let me save your ammo fam

[hollow ibex]

surge is fun

though i find staffker kinda boring in general now these days

[marsh shard]

I do a lot of both

[hollow ibex]

bonker/gunker is where it's at

[marsh shard]

I staff down gunners/specialists

[faint beacon]

A whimsical thing called

Frag grenade

[calm shard]

you could save me more ammo by not staggering them so I can just 1 shot headshot them :)

[marsh shard]

I'll kill half you kill the other half?

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explodes-cats-explosion-meme-gif-16574139546957057116

[marsh shard]

I love machine gunning parries man

Horde at my back, elites in my face. Parry parry parry while holding down block

[sleek garden]

i like parry

but i dont rely solely on it

mk1 has good side to side heavies

good at crowd control

[marsh shard]

Yeah, I run mk1

[sleek garden]

people say it is the worst

but normally my main weapon is serviceable with the devils claw as a backup for hordes

[marsh shard]

It dunks on hordes is the thing, and the push attack is the only one that is horizontal.

If I'm being pressured by elites, parry city at that point. Idgaf about the lack of an overhead.

If I have space I'm using the surge staff, if I don't have space I'm cleaving away with the dclaw. And under pressure? Parry town bby

Feels so good

[sleek garden]

the third light is an overhead

parry light is your biggest strikedown combo for single target

otherwise its just heavy heavy light

[marsh shard]

The thing is

In vt2 you utilize block and push attacks more than in dt

[sleek garden]

what

does vt2 have push attacks

i forgot

[marsh shard]

Yeah

[sleek garden]

oh they dont have special attacks

i forgor

i havent played much vt2

i need to try again

[marsh shard]

Very few weaps have specials

But yeah, I have that playstyle engraved in my brain

Its why I run psyker

Zealot/Vet both have a ton of incentive to dodge, by not dodging youre missing out on key buffs. And stam costs are high in dt

For psyker stam is a non-issue and they lack the incentive to utilize dodges the other classes do

[empty root]

I think that's a midwit moment when someone learns how to utilize dodge and then just soley relies on dodge for damage avoidance

not using blocks or push anymore

at one point I though stamina contributed to dodges so I would run stam curios but never actually push or block

[crisp oak]

I run stamina curios to sprint longer

[sage adder]

I spam all 3 usually

[empty root]

also not knowing about dodge counters so just spamming dodge, and when that crusher overhead comes and im like -10/5 dodges and just getting popped

[crisp oak]

And I like seeing tiny bars

[crisp oak]

This is why dpdge count should be displayed

[empty root]

yea its fucking ludicrous that it isn't

[crisp oak]

Like crap didnt realize my deimos had 6 dodges

[empty root]

also one thing that really annoys me and why ogryn is in the state that its in, is that you can raise your stamina consideribly with curious but cant do anything to effect dodge charges

ogryn has a ton of base stamina and clearly is designed with blocking and pushes in mind, but any class can take a stamina curio or two and have as much or more stamina as ogryn

meanwhile ogryn cant do shit to boost its poor mobility

[gentle yoke]

Is rending strikes a skill I need? Using helbore and shovel setup for sniping

[crisp oak]

No

[gentle yoke]

Darn ok gonna make more changes

[severe yacht]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9defb980-c781-4945-be26-2111c9ef9ad4/veteran-second-test

Hello, please describe your opinion on this build?
How viable can it be in havoc as a second vet?

The first veteran with frag grenades and an aura to restore ammunition.

[warm bolt]

What are your go-to blessings for laspistol?

[hollow ibex]

ghost and dumdum

[gentle yoke]

I’m gonna toss killzone talent as well

Idk if it’s working most of the time

[tame lodge]

You don't have Iron Will

[warm bolt]

Aight thanks mate

[warm bolt]

The talent sorta works but only if you really stand back and there are no ambushes

Which tend to happen on havoc a lot i've noticed

[gentle yoke]

Yeah I tried staying back, but usually get anbushed by a flamer or bomber if there’s no horde

[sleek garden]

what kinda gun are you using

its good for lasguns and stuff

[gentle yoke]

Helbore

I can hit shots pretty good with it but enemies tend to stagger me and move my aim

[hollow ibex]

helbore is just a pain to use

[crisp oak]

The build I shared with you yesterday should work even in havoks

[severe yacht]

survivability due to -90% aggro for mobs + relying on gold Toughness to be able to miss a hit, and on plasma + perk for restoring Toughness when killed in the head 40% Toughness + to this the support component is that you give 15% the Toughness you restored to your allies

[crisp oak]

The reason you are running out of ammo with lasguns isnbecause your builds werent taking lastrooper

[gentle yoke]

I’ve been using that build but just trying to do a volley fire penance

[hollow ibex]

don't care, iron will should be in every build

[crisp oak]

Use the ilas for the volley fire.penance

Helbore makes the timing really tight

[gentle yoke]

ilas?

[hollow ibex]

infantry lasgun

[severe yacht]

I don't quite agree with this.
In this case it might work

[gentle yoke]

Oh I tried it I’m just not a huge fan because sometimes what takes one shot with helbore takes 2 with that

[wooden stirrup]

Is infantry any good without the headshot blessing?

[empty root]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9defbe53-b686-47b2-adc2-e35828b8a318/second-vet

[gentle yoke]

Probably just set up wrong

[hollow ibex]

there's a reason why ironwill is rated as "always good" in the guide. hint: because it's very fucking good, and you should take it

[severe yacht]

I know this build, mine has a different idea

[hollow ibex]

but ultimately it's your game, play how you want

[empty root]

what idea is that?

oh i missed the infiltrate

[severe yacht]

You do not take damage due to the ability to reset argo, and -90% argo after leaving stealth.

despite the fact that after leaving the Invis you have + 30% damage for 5s and + 20% damage to weak points for 10s.
+15 damage at close range.

You have krak grenades with +50% damage, add 30% and 15%, which gives you a very large burst of damage to bosses.

Next, you can use Kraks to kill shield ogryns.

and after leaving the invisibility with a shot to the head I kill or make the reaper almost dead

[severe yacht]

besides, 8s to complete the hack, it can help the team and -aggro after exiting, it will give you the opportunity to finish if you didn’t roll it well

[crisp oak]

Iron will is still very useful

[empty root]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9defc066-9d6e-45e4-8df7-483892ab60f5/stealth-vet-second

[latent parcel]

hes 1 point from iron wil and wont grab it

[empty root]

dont take kraks in havocy

kraks are poop

just use shredders

[severe yacht]

I agree, especially if there is a lot of gold persistence.

But the idea here is that you are not being attacked 🙂

[empty root]

ahh... the "just don't get hit bro" mentality

love it

[crisp oak]

Heres the thing, you can still get hit with incidental damage

[light ridge]

Nice idea in Heresy and under

[crisp oak]

Like some bs bomber

[empty root]

literally dont take a single defensive talent or you're a shitter

[crisp oak]

Tbh the main issue I see is plasma gun without survivalist

[empty root]

gotta get those scoreboard numbers up

[severe yacht]

you have 90% reduced aggro for this!

[hollow ibex]

gets wacked once by a poxwalker
half toughness gone

[hollow ibex]

it's not a perfect save, and your teammates won't always be there to shield you

[crisp oak]

Like plasma gun is an ammo guzzling machine

[hollow ibex]

you will still get hit

sooner or later

[thorn lark]

You don't need medical insurance bro. Just don't get ill

[crisp oak]

And if you dont run survivalist

[empty root]

dont try havoc if you think 90% reduced aggro is going save you

the second build is objectively what you want

[crisp oak]

You will either cause ammo problems, or not have any ammo

[severe yacht]

I calmly ran on the aurik malestrom with this build

[crisp oak]

Also kraks break stealth

Frags dont

Fyi

[calm shard]

it's not awful for doing objectives on certain missions

[thorn lark]

Auric Mael is not a badge of honor

[empty root]

kraks solve problems that dont need to be solved by havoc teams

[thorn lark]

It's not the flex you think it is

[empty root]

2 charge can easily be moved to camoflauge

[severe yacht]

I've already played Havoc 40 and successfully completed them, now I'm trying to come up with non-meta builds that can work

[light ridge]

I play Infiltration all the time, I'm still not going out without Iron Will

[empty root]

auric maelstrom is unironically easier than regular maelstrom (damnation difficulty)

[calm shard]

I even use the 50% TDR node on infiltration just because hey durability

[severe yacht]

Don't forget, this is a build idea, and whether it will work or not, you need to test it 🙂

[empty root]

why are you running talents at all? are you some sort of filthy casual?

[crisp oak]

How I typically do stealth

[severe yacht]

t5 golden, 60-80 gold for mission

[empty root]

my havoc 40 build

[crisp oak]

So strong

[thorn lark]

Do you need survivalist?

[crisp oak]

For plasma in havoks

[thorn lark]

Ok fair

[severe yacht]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9defbc51-bd38-4abd-bd29-c0b87038056a/recon-laz-2
my havoc 40 build

[crisp oak]

Like other guns don't need survivalist

Plasma does

[empty root]

hes running a second vet though

other vet is running survivalist

auras dont stack

[thorn lark]

Bolters and gunluggers like it tho

[crisp oak]

Oh ok

Dont matter then

[narrow frost]

if vet was running no aura, base aura stacks with the upgraded one

[tame lodge]

Where's Precision Strikes?

[empty root]

for double ammo aura goodness

[severe yacht]

What's the use of it?
Not significant in the context of this build

[crisp oak]

30% dps increase

[empty root]

if your not aiming for weakspots then hand in your vet card

[tame lodge]

lots of crit
finesse melee
Not using extra 30% damage against weakspot

[crisp oak]

Im fairly certain that havok 40 is just a copy and paste of tanner's begginer recon las build

[tame lodge]

Yeah definitely not significant

[thorn lark]

It's 30% on wp...

[narrow frost]

exactly

[thorn lark]

It's significant to reach some bps

And thus has value

[severe yacht]

The idea here is that you deal a lot of burning damage, suppress the enemy, and you don’t need to shoot them in the head purposefully, and will you be able to?
Considering the spread, suppression of the enemy and the dynamics of the battle?

[empty root]

why post your build and accept zero critisisms of it?

[calm shard]

what do you mean

30% extra damage on weakspots is like

obviously good

especially on vet because they focus a lot on that to begin with with all the crits and finesse bonuses

[severe yacht]

if you are a terminator and can direct all the shots to the head, then yes, but this is on paper. . .

[empty root]

get out

[crisp oak]

You cant hit heads with a recon las?

[calm shard]

bro recon las is the easiest gun in the world to headshot with

zero recoil, basically zero spread

[empty root]

his build is plasma gun

[thorn lark]

1. Don't play a short king
2. Spray horizontally at head lvl

[empty root]

why are we talking recon, his build has a plasma gun

[calm shard]

no it doesn't?

his havoc 40 build has a recon las

[crisp oak]

His havok 40 build he posted was tanners recon las build but worse

[severe yacht]

what is not acceptance?
I ask what is the point of 30% damage to weak people in this build?

[empty root]

oh the second build

[calm shard]

it's 30% free damage for clicking the head which you should be doing anyways

especially with crits

[severe yacht]

On paper this is strong, in fact how often do you hit the head with this type of weapon?
what % of shots are to the head?

[calm shard]

With my aim? I'd say like 70%

[empty root]

don't even engage anymore

hes too far gone

[crisp oak]

Probably ~80%

[calm shard]

international keyboard L

[crisp oak]

Worse, phone keyboard

[empty root]

someone who does havoc 40 but can't hit weakspots?

whats going on rn

[severe yacht]

For example, for a bolter or the same plasma, I always take 30% in the head, since it’s not a problem to aim and shoot, but the point of taking it for a rapid-fire weapon is a question 🙂

[empty root]

30% weakspot damage includes melee

[severe yacht]

here I agree, I made this sacrifice =_=

[crisp oak]

Well of course you agree, its a fact

Lmao

[tame lodge]

Damn
Like I didn't point the Finesse melee weapon

[crisp oak]

Thrust is also an interesting choice on the ds

[empty root]

eh its a viable option

[crisp oak]

Agile thrust?

[calm shard]

it's viable

[severe yacht]

let's just look at the results on the training field?
I can go into the room and show it, it will be easier to discuss

[empty root]

thrust is

[calm shard]

the no uncanny strike on a fucking veteran build is what gets me

[empty root]

i would go unncanny + thrust

[calm shard]

that's rending cap on your shredder grenade bleeds

[empty root]

uncanny+anything is viable

[crisp oak]

Agile is an extra safety net so Ill accept it

Uncanny+agile makes more sense

[severe yacht]

strike group 5

[calm shard]

the dueling sword itself is enough of the extra safety net

[empty root]

then do uncanny+agile

[severe yacht]

Here I will not argue, I have not yet come to the conclusion that for me the best blessing for the saber

[severe yacht]

I tried this, now I'm trying with a charge

[crisp oak]

Ok, by the way uncanny effects your grenade damage, and your gun

Alongside your melee

[empty root]

hitting heads with the dueling sword gives you a universal damage buff to armor

[severe yacht]

I didn’t look at this side, then it’s perfect for a game with a constant change of weapons! Thanks for the info

possibly plasma and a saber with a talent for damage after a kill (+25%) and a stone for changing weapons

[crisp oak]

No problem

[severe yacht]

So, let's go back to 30% damage to the head, does anyone want to come on stream and watch?
Let's compare the result together?

[empty root]

compare to what?

[severe yacht]

with and without him

[empty root]

its 30% difference why do you need to tesT?

[severe yacht]

in the context of the use of weapons which I mean

[severe yacht]

I got it 🙂
It turns out that everything is so simple =_=

[crisp oak]

Personally I like having stamina to move so when going down to las trooper I pick up precision strikes over deadshot

[severe yacht]

Okay, if no one wants to join me in the training ground, then I'll go play a bit

[crisp oak]

I can't because Im at work on my phone

[unreal nova]

??? I throw grenades and stab things, wdym?

[crisp oak]

Ypu go for the head don't you?

When you stab

[unreal nova]

Knoife, I try. Grenades is grenades.

They go boom.

[crisp oak]

They do go boom

[severe yacht]

This talent is very specific, but it can work two ways, in combination with a talent on dodge (+30%) or with a stone on kills in the head and its mod gives 10% for 1 kill

[unreal nova]

My gun is more, buff knoife and stagger.

Also buff boomies.

[crisp oak]

Yup I know how to build around it, just typically don't use it

[unreal nova]

Boomies go boomier gud.

[crisp oak]

If you are running bp fairly certain it needs precision strikes to oneshot gunners

[unreal nova]

I just shoot twice and they bleed out.

[crisp oak]

True, but if kill in one shot more time with knife

[unreal nova]

Then go stab happy again.

Problem is lack of ppints.

[severe yacht]

ok, I'm leaving, I'll go play 🙂
Have a good day everyone

[unreal nova]

I even removed the autoload 33% boolet to meme twinned.

[calm shard]

exactly why I stopped using it, even on slow guns

and I also use knife and combat axe a lot more now and they need stamina to function

[odd sparrow]

precision strikes is only bad on like braced autoguns or other weapons with hilariously bad weakspot multipliers

[calm shard]

knife is very fun just erasing maulers and crushers in a split second

[empty root]

it still effects melee

[odd sparrow]

true. yeah which is why its basically a must take

[unreal nova]

I run that, so...

I can take exploit weakness instead of more toughness though.

[grand perch]

dont it sucks on all weapons but 1

[calm shard]

and that 1 weapon sucks

[grand perch]

youre not wrong

[unreal nova]

If we ever get more points, I'm getting leave no one behind.

[empty root]

Just going all in on grenades

[unreal nova]

Yes, boomies.

With a hint of sappart.

[latent parcel]

karien loves boomies

[empty root]

Why tactical reload over out for blood

Out for blood has a very good synergy with grenades

[grand perch]

i was literally just typing something of that affair

[latent parcel]

dont question karien. she knows all

[unreal nova]

Slow reload on bp. Lul.

[light ridge]

Out for Blood is perfect for grenade spam

[crisp oak]

One motion should already help with that

isnt that the skully node

[empty root]

It's slow but manageable

[crisp oak]

Its not the revolver

[unreal nova]

Yes, but if you have to babysit, needing boolet asap is a must.

[empty root]

It hurts me tho

Seeing a full grenedier built without out for blood

[crisp oak]

Yeah you become a psyker level toughness regen in hordes

[latent parcel]

i told ya not to question karien

[unreal nova]

Things either work, or they don't.

Could try it anyway.

[crisp oak]

I would personally go slightly less in on the memes and remove nade tinkerer

[unreal nova]

I just play heresy after all.

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nope-no-way-noo-absolutely-not-gif-20244171

[crisp oak]

And use those points for the dont need to reload talent and out for blood

[hollow ibex]

if you're going to make a grenadier build

[sour chasm]

i've been using Krak Grenades, based on what i've been seeing I should probably switch to something else

[crisp oak]

I know it aint gonna happen

[hollow ibex]

you take all nade talents

simple as

[hollow ibex]

kraks are good

but experiment with frags too

smokes can be aight, in some situations

[unreal nova]

I rather drop ws than tinkerer.

[crisp oak]

Fair

Issue is less fast stabbies then

[unreal nova]

Which is kinda sad.

[crisp oak]

Indeed

[sour chasm]

I see, i'll try it out the next time i get on

[crisp oak]

I used to run a krieg grenadier build woth the helbore pre bayonet nerf

[thorn lark]

Drop 1 more grenade then

[unreal nova]

[crisp oak]

You want to really meme

[thorn lark]

You get them back quite fast tbh

[empty root]

I respect taking every nade talent

[crisp oak]

Drop the gold toughness node

[empty root]

Gonna try the build later today

[unreal nova]

[crisp oak]

Its peak meme

Run the revive without the gold toughness node

[unreal nova]

Wait till you see the curios I have.

[light ridge]

Take Born Leader instead of Twinned Blast
Out for Blood instead of the reload talent

Become the party healer

[crisp oak]

I run only the strongest curio perks: experience, ordo dockets, curio as mission reward

And +2 wounds

Im a martyrdom vet

[unreal nova]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9defd2a3-58b3-47de-9d5f-68902fd3411a/boomies

[tame lodge]

If you ever get smokes
Remember to stay inside the smoke

But really
Get Inside the smoke

[crisp oak]

Not +6 wounds clearly throwing

Not even farming ordo dockets

(Really thats basically what my curios are)

[sour chasm]

noted

[formal ice]

Fartshark needs to rework this thing

Together with the ogryn

[unreal nova]

I just went 1 of everything cos lul.

Stam gud for knoife.

[crisp oak]

Yee

Go fast for longer

I run serrated blade on my vet knife build though

[unreal nova]

Bit of hp to not blep the moment toughness somehow bleps.

[crisp oak]

So I can un uncanny mercy killer

but that build is an abomination that doesnt run field improv

[unreal nova]

Heretic. You get 6 primed kraks for X-mas this year.

[crisp oak]

Its hard to get it

And hit bp breakpoints

[terse idol]

Twinned blast for bistol every time

[inland orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-space-3-suicide-fuck-bomber-unitologist-gif-12041524816287167594

Me spreading x-mas cheer with 2 kraks(I will only blow myself up)

[terse idol]

Homie waited for Issac before blowing up 😌

[unreal nova]

That's 12 frags.

[crisp oak]

4 vets

Frags

All frags

[calm shard]

all with double frag

[unreal nova]

Boomies!

[crisp oak]

All with all of the frag talents

Except for one of the 4

Hes the krakman

[unreal nova]

BOOMIES.

[inland orchid]

Don’t gotta worry about a horde if they all turn into leaking blood sausages

[inland orchid]

[crisp oak]

His job is to blow his load on bosses

[unreal nova]

3 kraks.

All boom.

[crisp oak]

Reminds me does lethal prox effect kraks?

[unreal nova]

Yes.

[crisp oak]

Hehe so they get some range

[unreal nova]

Not much.

[crisp oak]

Enough to help with the penance

[inland orchid]

The starting range is small so that’s to be expected

[crisp oak]

[unreal nova]

You go from krak at birb thing on floor not hitting doggo to barely hitting doggo.

Psykhanium.

Just sayin'. And no I totally did not test it out multiple times.

And yes, it works in the game, just not exactly worth it unless there's too many blep bleps on you.

And you twinned so they go potato.

[crimson wyvern]

how do you do this one folks

been trying to make just toss it directly up in the air as high as it'll go

[inland orchid]

Bridges helped me, I think on the prison assassinate?

[crimson wyvern]

oh my god im stupid

[inland orchid]

Saw a sniper with a squad of shooters next to him

[crimson wyvern]

ive been using kraks

ignore me

im stupid

[inland orchid]

All good

[unreal nova]

Train also works, just aim for ppl on the top of the first tower thingie when you drop down.

[crimson wyvern]

400 hours and penannced ogryn and zealot fully and now almost veteran and I still do these stupid mistakes

[unreal nova]

Reading hard.

[inland orchid]

There’s a lot of words to remember of course you’re gonna forget a few of them

[unreal nova]

Tiring, just wanna boomy things, yes.

[crimson wyvern]

Got this today so im happy though

[inland orchid]

Fancy book portrait, nice

[crimson wyvern]

Ogryn ability that if they choose to sacrifice a grim or drop a book it instead throws it as x(1) rock

[unreal nova]

Still better than working for a title when you don't use titles.

[light ridge]

I'm one penance away from my Nomad title

[empty root]

I'm like 100 points away from helmet

[crisp oak]

You throw a frag

Really far

[calm shard]

underhand throw jumping off a box works

or some of those bridges

[hollow ibex]

yeah just toss off a bridge

[terse idol]

Toss it straight up and down

[crimson wyvern]

yeah i was using the wrong grenade ignore me

read on

[orchid hemlock]

My cringe ass Bolt Gun build

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d69293a-2b68-4cb2-b221-c5f5493fd880/bolt-deez-nutts?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[hollow ibex]

yeah i run something similar for exec

this is way too much of a proper build

not cringe enough

[orchid hemlock]

🧍🏻

[wanton dawn]

I think i use this on bolter

[grand perch]

got blasted, survived, but flew into the boss's attack

[scenic ginkgo]

Anyone got good shotgun build?

[crisp oak]

True survivor

[crisp oak]

Db or combat sadness

[scenic ginkgo]

DB

[crisp oak]

I think you pretty much just run a general weapon specialists build

So you dont have to reloaf

[hollow ibex]

combat sadness (unsuccessfully)

[nova lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/doomguy-evil-grin-gif-20903082

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1278540580976328790/1327398067749650452/1327397640442216537remix-1736546760159.png?ex=6782eb49&is=678199c9&hm=e0697fbb3e14f2c61924289b61a234e8de888c2f0fe661a5f043a359eb641bc9&

I LOVE random stutters like that

[inland orchid]

Tzeech kicking the servers

[tall torrent]

up down up down up down up down

[orchid hemlock]

KHORNITE DRIP AQUIRED

how many skulls yall want?

yes

[dawn garnet]

😭

[dawn garnet]

this looks strange

its way too regular

[tall torrent]

it's actually not

most of the time it looks like this

besides the 1 spike

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent u got true survivor yet?

[tall torrent]

No

[orchid hemlock]

😔

its time then

[tall torrent]

I’m not gonna use it anyway

[frank ether]

I just restart when this starts happening

[tall torrent]

Restart game? Or whole pc

[frank ether]

I don't even think better PC helps cause I tried upgrading a lot of stuff, maybe nvidia GPU could cure fatshark programming skill issues, but Idk doubtful

[frank ether]

restart game

[tall torrent]

Does that even fix anything

[frank ether]

Its like... slapping a bandaid on a wound that needs stitches

I noticed the stutters have something to do with assets loading in

[tall torrent]

What do I do to improve it then

[frank ether]

I get them when the game decides hey its time to spawn morbillion enemies, or a player loads in/quits, or when I browse my cosmetics the game stalls to a halt etc

honestly I'm out of ideas on how to improve

upgraded cpu, got 32 GB ram, its decently fast ram too, 6000 CL30

[tall torrent]

Because I’m not at 100% usage on any of my cpu threads

[frank ether]

I don't think CPU utilization is that simple but I also dont think big stutters are a CPU issue

I suspect game has issues with loading in assets, to me that seems more plausible as the reason for stutters

[iron marten]

Running a 4070 here, and I rarely get stutters. Though, that might be DLSS with Framegen on carrying it

[light ridge]

I clear memory when my game starts stuttering, seems to help a bit

[soft trellis]

Question: Is this the end roll you want for the helbore?

[empty root]

It can work yea

Barely use any ammo

[soft trellis]

I wasn't sure if it was that, charge rate, or stability. The guide thing says stability, tho

[empty root]

Yea I dunno what stability does considering it's a single shot weapon

Built right it's the most ammo efficient gun in the game tho

[tiny valve]

Whats a good ranged weapon to go with devils claw sword? Just been using bolt pistol but wondering if there's something better, thinking of trying out my plasma gun for it since I've never used it before.

[soft trellis]

If it was a mag dump weapon stability would be important... or at least maybe a semi-auto... but for a charging single shot I can see why it says stability

[soft trellis]

Something for armor so probably the bolter/plasma gun/revolver(and maybe the helbore)

[empty root]

Devils claw is a defensive weapon, so any primary type weapon

Plasma gun, recon lasgun, bolter

Hellbore

[tiny valve]

Yeah ok thanks

[empty root]

And if you haven't used plasma gun I would be getting that guns mastery up asap

[tiny valve]

I'm level 18 or something with bolter so I was planning on finishing that soon as then doing plasma.

[empty root]

Yea

[tiny valve]

I've only just gotten one from the emporer's gift thing and I didn't want to buy one as I didn't know how they played.

Do they do more damage the higher the heat metre or something?

I spent a bit fiddling around but I couldn't figure it out.

[empty root]

With a blessing yea

It's more complicated but not that bad

[tiny valve]

I'll find some youtube videos on it thanks for the recommendations.

[empty root]

You have to manage heat and ammo

Don't ever use the alt fire charge shot

[tiny valve]

Good to know cheers

[empty root]

And it's brainless

If you alt fire at 100% you blow up

[tiny valve]

I see

[empty root]

It's not a good look when you do

[light ridge]

People might think you're a Psyker

[tiny valve]

I'd probably have done that if I wasn't told I can't lie

I'm just dumb like that

I mean I only realised devils claw sword could parry when I got it to level 17, I just thought it was a mid weapon.

[supple laurel]

whats the heavy sword good for icl

[midnight totem]

Heavies

Horde clear

[supple laurel]

no like

yeah

okay horde clear

[tame lodge]

Killing small elites

[orchid hemlock]

horde clear

[tame lodge]

Strike down heavies have built in Deathblow (2 targets)

Except like you probably don't have to kill to activate it

[calm shard]

horde clear, rare melee weapon with good maniac damage

[odd summit]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9df0472e-a109-4ff0-b4c2-b0290a3c27a0/veteran-sniper-3 thoughts?

[faint beacon]

Passing out on iron will is a huge mistake

that and you should path down Exe stance if you're planning to snipe

[heavy rover]

i recommend swapping exhilerating takedown and longshot with Iron Will and demolition team

[tawny timber]

or you could drop shock trooper

helbore is already ammo efficient and u have survivalist

[odd summit]

my whole build theory is that I'm using infiltrate as a get-out-of-jail-free card. I like having the safety net, but I do agree that exe stance is better for raw firepower

[tame lodge]

That's also the helby 4

9 per shot

[faint beacon]

your get out of jail should be a shredder

toss one at your feet

melee out

and take advantage of the stagger

[odd summit]

i'll try it out, thanks :3

[umbral grove]

Veterans of the chat

I come with a question

What is your preferred gun of choice?

[bitter vessel]

is finesse important on a chainsword?

[pastel yew]

yes it's both damage and attackspeed

[pastel yew]

bolt pistol for sure... 10/10 fun

[tame lodge]

Agripina Infantry Autogun

[umbral grove]

Hmmm

[tame lodge]

I finally got a good Ilas recently
Seeing if it'll take the AIAGs place

[umbral grove]

Bolt pistol is fun, for sure

[umbral grove]

Which version is that again?

So many lasguns

[tame lodge]

Agripina Infantry Autogun is the "heavier" variant of Autoguns

Not laser nor braced

[umbral grove]

I see

[placid portal]

Agripinaa autogun my beloved

[latent parcel]

Plasma, bolt pistol, Recon lasgun, Bolter are all good af in any difficulty

[formal ice]

AK-47

[fresh mango]

Hey vets, whats the best shock maul setup i can use alongside my bolter?

[formal ice]

The one that the point it's blocky

Isn't*

[fresh mango]

the one that looks like a mace?

[formal ice]

Yes

At least thats the one most people prefer

[fresh mango]

Gotcha

[unreal nova]

Honestly just try both and see which attack pattern and feel is for you.

[fresh mango]

Also fair, im just trying to figure out the best perks and blessings for it, been wanting to try it for a while

[formal ice]

I like the one that makes your shock maul do more damage to shocked enemies

[fresh mango]

mobility is the dump stat as usual yeah?

[unreal nova]

Mobility is usually a safe bet. Cos it's basically 2% sprint speed loss. Unless there's a better dump.

[formal ice]

Cough cough range cough

[austere mica]

Range is a bad dump stat on everything that has it

[formal ice]

Wait why?

[austere mica]

Because it affects ADMS

and lowers your damage at range

[formal ice]

Huh

[fresh mango]

yeah you kinda want range

[unreal nova]

Special dumps are like cleave target on powersword.

[fresh mango]

gonna give it a whirl

[austere mica]

I wouldn't run those blessings

Skullcrusher + High voltage

[unreal nova]

If you aren't charging the powersword up, why do you use it?

That's just bully ragers the build.

[formal ice]

Funni bad cleave sword

[unreal nova]

Even then, you want falter+skullcrusher.

And even going falter+hammerblow is the funni cc shockmaul build.

Where you just light spam certain things to bully them.

Hammerblow+skullcrusher is another one.

[fresh mango]

what about opportunist?

[austere mica]

Outdone by SC or HV

[unreal nova]

No point. Skullcrusher is just better if you want damage while bullying.

[halcyon blaze]

Plasma, it both looks cool, but it feels cool from a lore standpoint to be the badass with the potentially self-lethal weapon and the power to oneshot elites.

[austere mica]

I dislike plasma immensely

Eepy ass gun

[formal ice]

Plasma Pistols shoots 10% more faster than his bigger version

[stray nebula]

Which guns work best with Executor's Stance? I know boltgun is one example.

[formal ice]

I think infrary gun

[tall torrent]

Boltgun
Helbore
Infantry lasgun
Infantry autogun

Plasma, to an extent
Braced autogun, kind of

[heavy rover]

what's the limit on the brittleness stacks for armourbane?

oh wait I found it in the vet guide, nevermind. 16 stacks

[stoic thorn]

Plasma for me

[stray nebula]

What's a good build for helbore using Executor's Stance?

[stoic thorn]

Holy shit using the plasma charged shot is so fun

[tame lodge]

There's probably better builds out there

But I didn't check it

There's also one with agile engagement for stab stab reasons

[barren nimbus]

The sprint damage node on the far right is super good in low level missions

[tough tiger]

Sprint damage?

Nah bro

There are far better stuff than that

[severe gale]

everything is good in low level missions

[tall torrent]

Skirmisher is one of the worst talents in the game

[umbral grove]

There is sprint damage?

And it isnt on the ogryn?

Wow

[vernal harbor]

Vet heads what’s going on are we just piss at havoc or what, im running meta as hell and my zealot is just far more relevant what are y’all doing for high havoc

[faint beacon]

we exist to shredder spam

thats it

thats our job in havoc

[umbral grove]

Seen higher level ones just run recon lasgun with the burn on crit

[faint beacon]

So yes naturally the other classes feel better to play

[umbral grove]

They were shredding everything

I assume they just built crit or something

[vernal harbor]

my normal build is max grenades but havoc mfs convinced me the grenades aren’t as good in that environment

i hate this games players lmao

[hollow ibex]

wat

[vernal harbor]

how the fuck the ones who got to havoc 40 just gatelocked and cliched up

[tall torrent]

Veteran not having ways to gain toughness besides kills/VoC while also not having high impact commanding moves for team is putting him in an awkward position

Also pus hardened

[faint beacon]

Pus hardened directly saying fuck you to vet

[tall torrent]

But also a lot of h40 completed players are carried up there lol

[faint beacon]

seeing Vet's strong suits are more geared at gunplay but you still have good melee talents

[vernal harbor]

plus it’s just no place for ranged or like support combat it’s just a mosh pit for 45 minutes

[faint beacon]

Look at least you're not Ogryn who has to literally play like 2 ways

[vernal harbor]

I hate plasma but it’s the only thing thing that can reach then

[faint beacon]

Bubble Buddy Protector

or

Shield God

[vernal harbor]

everytime I see an ogryn now I feel pity

[tall torrent]

Nah, there’re more options

[vernal harbor]

i know any thing is an option im just saying it’s not very fun or practical

[orchid hemlock]

I never run plasma in my havoc runs

but that is mostly because I am very concious of my ammo

i get paranoid of not having enough ammo

[vernal harbor]

i do weapons specialist so it possivly loads for me I could never get a reload off lol