veteran-class

[serene bough]

i mean you could get both

[faint beacon]

Without it feeling awful

[serene bough]

i almost always go down towards TFD in all of my builds anyways

but the main point here was which keystone does better for the ilas and its definitely between FT and MF, WS is kinda out of the question

[faint beacon]

Melee keynode also is further buffing melee speed with WS on top of TFD

That’s mainly why it’s taken

[heavy rover]

I run rashad without TFD

[faint beacon]

Insanely brain dead horde clear

[serene bough]

main build i use w/ ilas

vs what i'd probably run if i used rashad

[tropic notch]

What da hell

[serene bough]

could probably give up fully loaded for redirect fire too, i guess

[tropic notch]

WS all the way with rashad

[serene bough]

discussing ilas primarily

[tropic notch]

Your melee is your primary

[serene bough]

i.e. what build i'd run ilas + rashad with (i wouldn't recommend over knife, just hypothetical)

[serene bough]

your point is

[tropic notch]

That both of those weapons would do the same if not better with WS

[serene bough]

ilas is definitely bad w/ WS

just take a laspistol at that point

ilas def prefers MF or FT, hence why an alternative build w/ an alterative melee was discussed

[clever citrus]

@granite wraith any luck?

[empty root]

the guy is running exec stance and marksman focus, its not one of those builds

[terse idol]

Partially

You can make your ranged weapon yer main easily

[granite wraith]

Not yet :/

[sturdy ledge]

Not familiar with the lingo. What weapons you run this with?

[serene bough]

IIb infantry lasgun and Mk6 combat knife

[sturdy ledge]

Ahh I see

[terse idol]

Is that trench fighter?

does that make the mk6 combo easier?

[serene bough]

generally i think its smoother to use w/ trench fighter

combos easier, push atk spam for single target DPS faster

[tall torrent]

BM can certainly use a nerf
axe itself can use higher innate cleave
rest seems fine to me idk

locked to their newest fancy GPUs so I sorta don't care abt it

at least DLSS4 is backwards compatible with all RTX cards

[orchid hemlock]

bruh

all I want nvidia to do

is give me 16gb of vram

😭

[tall torrent]

I played 1 game after updating CPU driver and reducing ragdoll to 1

somehow didn't stutter that game

may need to test further

[hearty panther]

i have never reduced my ragdolls from 50

i refuse

ill suffer the performance loss because the spectacle is worth it

[orchid hemlock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxuQoj6_JLA

[tall torrent]

that's DLSS4 with MFG

DLSS4 itself is a switch from CNN to transformer-based architecture for upscaling

[calm shard]

is slow infantry lasgun still the preferred one for vet

or would I be better off with the medium/fast ones

[tall torrent]

no, mk2b (fastest, blue) is the best one

[calm shard]

oh cool

are the others still viable

[tall torrent]

mk7 is a side-grade with better dmg but significantly worse handling

[calm shard]

or is it all blue all the time

[tall torrent]

it's either 2b or 7

9 is not very good

[orchid hemlock]

btw is it me or is normal for the mouse to be a bit slower when a game is running?

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-cute-esoteric-sealwaffen-stare-gif-23528104

oh that's my favorite one

darn

[tall torrent]

like, DPI settings?

or

[orchid hemlock]

its hard to explain, but i notice that it is slightly slower on load

[bleak cradle]

No?

[tall torrent]

in loading screen?

[orchid hemlock]

no, when the computer is running a game

[tall torrent]

shouldn't be happening

did u disable vsync

[orchid hemlock]

this is what google tells me

[bleak cradle]

The AI lies

[faint beacon]

AI slop

[bleak cradle]

I have always had a high end pc though…

[orchid hemlock]

i have g sync on

but not v sync

but the thing is that even when the game is not in the forefront I notice the mouse is slightly slower

when I turn off the game, it returns to be being buttery smooth

thats why I think the AI is telling the truth

[tall torrent]

maybe reduce ur video settings a bit

[orchid hemlock]

in game?

IT WAS GYSYNC

[tall torrent]

g-sync?

lol

[orchid hemlock]

well not exactly

my monitor has an "extended" adaptive sync tech

I turned it back to basic

[tall torrent]

adaptive

lol

adaptive is usually not that great

[orchid hemlock]

adaptive is just the name a sync tech is used on an LG monitor

its for g-sync and freesync

[frank ether]

Idk how tempting this is though for 6800XT/6900XT owners its cool that we get better upscaling but its just merely catching up to nvidia in that regard

while nvidia is just adding more and more tech to their existing older cards

its like amd is always following 5 years behind

always one day too late one dollar too short

I'd consider 9070XT if its like, super duper cheap but even then it might not be a pleasant experience because fuckass devs like fatshark will sabotage your experience by not giving a shit about optimizing games for you

so you want to go nvidia regardless because you know even the laziest dev will optimize for mainly that

Its like a year+ on amd gpus being a stuttery mess for this game

[bleak cradle]

I can’t deal with adaptive sync compared to native g sync. I just see constant frame stuttering messing with brightness levels

[queen fox]

never EVER trust anything that google AI overview shit says

[crisp oak]

Yeah google ai takes responses from people like me who spread misinfo online

[orchid hemlock]

Me when I spread mis-information

[gentle yoke]

Anyone recommend changes for this setup I have? Mostly use it for picking off specials and elites.

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dee08e6-fbad-451f-bdc7-14d5a49adfb7/veteran-sniper-wip-2

[tall torrent]

Get grenade regen
Helbore is built completely wrong, get maniac + elite, surgical + whatever else u like for mk3a

Longshot and exhilarating takedown are unnecessary

[gentle yoke]

Ok gonna swap some stuff. Thanks

[tall torrent]

You don’t need rending strikes for either of the weapons

I’d personally run surgical + hotshot for Helbore if you’re not going mk4

[gentle yoke]

Would use mk4 but I tend to run out of ammo with it so mk3 is good balance for me

[tall torrent]

Take shock trooper

You also don’t need any subnodes for executioner’s stance

[gentle yoke]

Gonna try hammerblow for shovel

[tame lodge]

You see
Surgical will give you crit
Shock trooper will make it so you don't use ammo if crit

[gentle yoke]

Field improv or demo stockpile?

[tame lodge]

Demo

[gentle yoke]

Alright swapped it a bit so I have demo stockpile and grenadier

Got rid of enhanced priority, counter fire, exhilerating takedown and longshot

[bitter vessel]

Which difficulty is the best for diamantine?

[gentle yoke]

For the perks on curios should I just set it for health, toughness, and toughness regen?

[tame lodge]

Quick play damnation

[bitter vessel]

Thanks!!!

[empty root]

Toughness, cool down reduction, stamina regen or health

[remote sonnet]

Remove grenadier and take Demolition team.

You get more grenade overall.

[empty root]

The +1 grenade is only good for krak for boss damage

All that matters for shredder is the generation rate of grenades

[remote sonnet]

The higher difficult you go, there more value demolition team gives.

[crisp oak]

Wait you dont have las trooper

Cant have infinite ammo if no las trooper

Also for the mk1 shovel I would reccoment uncanny decimator for better horde clear

Still gonna struggle a bit with cara I think

[empty root]

Shovel is all wrong too

[gentle yoke]

Las trooper?

[crisp oak]

There is a talent that lasgun crits dont use ammo

[empty root]

Take flak unarmored decimator skull crusher

[crisp oak]

Its under fully loaded

Let me show you my scuffed hellbore build

[empty root]

Here's a decent one https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a9d0af2-4b3f-467d-a70e-6f4f8213b1da/veteran-watchmaster

[gentle yoke]

Sounds good in game rn but I’ll do some changes after

[remote sonnet]

Shock trooper

[crisp oak]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9dee141e-4422-428d-b897-eabb270e5970

(I went for out for blood for the movement speed for empty stamina bayonet charging)

The keystone node could be swapped to redirect fire (most people will say it is the better node) but tbh I like the toughness regen

[gentle yoke]

I really just want a build to destroy elites and specials

[crisp oak]

Yup

This build will kill everything in relatively short order

The mk7 shovel as built there should oneshot a crusher if you tag them

Same with a mauler

And the mk3a will kill everything else with a weakspot crit except dreg ragers and reapers as built there

[hearty spoke]

Apologies if this is a dumb question, but how does volley fire work? (Working on the volley fire penances obviously)

[gentle yoke]

Ooh I like that setup

Gonna try that out on damnation real quick

[crisp oak]

👍

Shovel is for hordes, crushers, and maulers

Ragers are best dealt with the bayonet

[gentle yoke]

Is there any difference in shovel mk’s?

[tall torrent]

yes

[crisp oak]

The mk1 has a punch that staggers

[tall torrent]

but in the end
all 3 are pretty mid

[crisp oak]

The mk7 has a foldign attack that does alotta damage

[gentle yoke]

Usually had best luck with mk1 for crowds

[crisp oak]

Yeah mk1 has the best horde clear

[tall torrent]

mk1 and mk7 are the best variants

[crisp oak]

I use the mk7 because it has okay horde clear while built to onetap crushers

[gentle yoke]

Onetap???

I’m sold

[crisp oak]

Yup with max thrust folded heavies and either uncanny stacks or yellow tag

[orchid hemlock]

Well with lots of conditions

[crisp oak]

That shovel should onetap

[tall torrent]

needs quite some investment to get there

[crisp oak]

The build I gave shpuld do it

Hence why I made it that

If it doesnt then swap out flak for elites

havent done the math enough

[orchid hemlock]

U know what else one taps crushers?

Everyone repeat after me:

[gentle yoke]

My mom?

[crisp oak]

My mom

[inland orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/regular-show-my-mom-shirt-swing-trash-talk-bye-gif-5037821

[calm shard]

mk IV helbore with every possible ranged damage boost

[orchid hemlock]

👏🏻

[calm shard]

gotta be

can't be anything else

[remote sonnet]

Thank you all for offering your moms.

[crisp oak]

The dunda hamma

[gentle yoke]

They put your mom in darktide

[crisp oak]

Does rashad do it @tall torrent

[gentle yoke]

Beast of nurgle

[crisp oak]

My moms the plague ogryn

[inland orchid]

Mines definitely a chaos spawn, she loves hugs

[crisp oak]

Anyway play in the psykanium to confirm the oneshot

[gentle yoke]

I hate plague ogryns. Move too erratic to get consistent head shots

[crisp oak]

I like plague ogryns

[tall torrent]

fight them in melee

[crisp oak]

Because they arent chaos spawns

Or burgles

[gentle yoke]

Read some lore saying burgles have the minds of puppies or something

[hollow ibex]

They’re the most fun boss to fight

[hollow ibex]

Clearly telegraphed attacks

[narrow frost]

deploy the vacum

[hollow ibex]

And not burgle

[remote sonnet]

Pogryn can't grab, it is so much easier to fight.

[gentle yoke]

I hate that grab so much

[crisp oak]

This

[hollow ibex]

Grab is usually fine… until you have no room to maneuver lol

[gentle yoke]

Yeah I change my mind

[tawny timber]

Unlike most Daemons, a Beast kills not with rending claws and ripping teeth, but with a strange form of kindness. Victims are caressed, petted, and stroked with the Daemon's multiple tentacles, while the long tongue delivers slobbery and slimy licks.

[gentle yoke]

Ogryns better to fight

[crisp oak]

I uhhhh got screwed up by a double weakened one on gloriana

Team left me to fight both of them

Did not go well for me

[remote sonnet]

Many times I solo Pogryn in Havoc with Dclaw.

It is always fun.

[gentle yoke]

Ty I knew I remembered it from somewhere

[remote sonnet]

Reply wrong...

[calm shard]

plague ogryns are the only boss in darktide that follows the formula that made the VT2 bosses fun to fight

chaos spawn just do whatever the fuck they want at any given moment

burgles are...

they either do jack shit or they annihilate you depending entirely on where they spawn

[hollow ibex]

Burgles are the worst

Boring and annoying

[gentle yoke]

Just for that a horde of maulers and ragers for you

[calm shard]

definitely boring and annoying

them being an actual threat is inconsistent

chaos spawn are always annoying and at least somewhat a threat (unless they get stunlocked to death, which can happen to plague ogryns too)

[remote sonnet]

There is the Gun pogryn in the files, that one will be interesting.

[calm shard]

I doubt it

Stormfiend in VT2 was an awful poorly designed mess in every iteration of its existence

Always being way too weak, or way too strong at any given moment

Maybe they'll do it better if that thing ever comes around, but given the step back in monstrosity design for burgle/cspawn already I doubt it

[slow spade]

Clearly they should give the chaos spawn an autocannon

[gentle yoke]

Should I use the helbore mk3a or mk 4? Usually ammo is a concern with the 4 but the extra damage is nice

[calm shard]

the fast one or the slow one

the middle one has middle child problems

MK IV can kill crushers but has a garbage bayonet and is painfully slow

MKV does basically everything the IIIa does but with better ammo economy and faster fire rate

[gentle yoke]

Usually use the middle but the slow ones bayonet and ammo usage is a turn off

[calm shard]

MKIV being so slow does mean that surgical kind of naturally compensates for its higher ammo usage

only kind of though

[gentle yoke]

Yeah I forgot to use shock trooper so I was missing out a lot. A bit better now

[calm shard]

anyways MKV I think has all the same breakpoints as IIIa but with better ammo economy and fire rate

I don't know anything important it loses off the top of my head

[thorn lark]

i have a question, i use dlss 2.x with the 3060 on my laptop... should i try fs3?

[gentle yoke]

Holy mother of headshots shock trooper is good

[tall torrent]

I don't think FSR3 looks nearly as good as DLSS

[thorn lark]

even dlss2?

[loud belfry]

dlss is fundamentally superior to fsr before 4

[thorn lark]

oki

[tall torrent]

Current DLSS is 3.5 in DT pretty sure

[loud belfry]

yeah you can even update it

[thorn lark]

my card is not supporting dlss above 3

it's a 3060 on a laptop

[tall torrent]

This is still using dlss3.5

[thorn lark]

unless i missed something

[tall torrent]

The only part of dlss3.5 that’s not supported pre-40-series is frame gen

[loud belfry]

I think it probably still works you just can't do frame generation

ye

[tall torrent]

DLSS3.5 itself is an upgrade to the Upscaling algorithm

[thorn lark]

woootoott????

what

how do i get that dlss?

[tall torrent]

DLSS4 is also an update to the Upscaling algorithm (switching from CNN to transformer-based architecture)

[loud belfry]

it should just work

[tall torrent]

You’re already using dlss3.5

[thorn lark]

????

]

[tall torrent]

DLSS3.5 is the DLSS Upscaling function itself, being upgraded
DLSS frame gen (marketed as part of DLSS3.5 but is not) is exclusive to 40 series

[loud belfry]

real question is why do you think its dlss2

[tall torrent]

You’re already using DLSS3.5 but your GPU doesn’t have DLSS frame gen

[hollow ibex]

CNN my beloved 😭

[thorn lark]

i have read that dlss was locked according top the card gen...

[tall torrent]

yea marketing buzz

frame gen is marketed as part of DLSS3 but is not

the updated upscaling (which is DLSS3.5), you're already using

and soon that'll be DLSS4

[thorn lark]

oO

[iron marten]

Ye, dlss4 will be available for all rtx cards

[bleak cradle]

I’m really interested in reflex 2 and multiframe gen. Would be awesome if reflex 2 offsets the response time

[tall torrent]

ur buying a 50 series GPU?

[bleak cradle]

Ya. I have been saving for a few years

Well, I am planning on it. Who knows if I will be able to get a card. Scalpers gonna scalp

[hollow ibex]

Wait for third part benchmarks

[tawny badger]

50 series?

wait is nvidia rolling out 5000s now

[loud belfry]

soon

Jan 30th

[thorn lark]

tried it, adopted it

[serene bough]

Nice

Glad you like it

[tall torrent]

good luck getting a low price one

[thorn lark]

Path do you know if running with a stimm is faster that running with a relic blade?

[tall torrent]

yes since relic blade (60% mobility) gets -0.13m/s whereas stimm has no sprint bonus

[thorn lark]

Alright that solves my relic bolter dilemma

[tall torrent]

u actually run faster with boltgun in hand

compared to relic blade

it's also faster than running with stimm in hand

[thorn lark]

Hmmm I have a 72 mob relic and a 61 mob bolter

[tall torrent]

Boltgun gets +0.09m/s

At 60% mobility

[thorn lark]

Do you remember if there's a useful BP for collateral?

[tall torrent]

For veteran with exe stance I think yea

Or if u need to open blobs of bulwark with Boltgun

[burnt vortex]

Which one of you named your vet adeptuseatassanus

[arctic rampart]

It was K33t.

[heavy rover]

incredible

[thorn lark]

Hmm I can safely go 60 collat on my zealot then

[tall torrent]

I think 80 collat is kind of useful if u get a bulwark blob

Where none of them is opening long enough for u to attack

[dire olive]

Just found out you can get True Survivor so long as the person getting downed only gets instakilled by crusher overheads

[slow spade]

lol yeah my friend found out that crusher overheads just straight up instant kill him

funny times in high havoc

[calm shard]

reminds me of better times in VT2

where stormvermin did the same thing

[calm shard]

oh god I only just realized that I'm not a psyker main anymore

my veteran is higher level than my psyker

and this thing is to blame

just throw the damn thing and then bam every heretic is dead

[normal sparrow]

Wat

Random question
Anyone knows sprint speed/stamina cost for blitz

[tall torrent]

0 bonus
unsure abt stamina cost

didn't test that

[sour chasm]

that's a lot of dogs

[vapid nacelle]

it feels so awkward using a non-shout ultimate but I'm so bored of it

[hollow ibex]

infil can be a good alternative

[hearty panther]

blitz' are base speed

so no bonus, and 1 stam per second cost

[elfin heath]

So honest question. I've seen people play veteran how fast are you fuckers.

[barren nimbus]

veteran without shout gets their bussy ate crazy style

[elfin heath]

Cause this dude was zooming asf

[hollow ibex]

knife?

if a vet's going fast, it's prob knife/DS + sprint speed talents

[vapid nacelle]

likely knife

[elfin heath]

Yes

[barren nimbus]

knife is so fun

[elfin heath]

I thought he was cheating lol

So fucking fast

[hollow ibex]

just wait until you see knife psyker

[elfin heath]

And nothing could hit him

[hollow ibex]

and then there's zealot with the dash ability, but that's different

[elfin heath]

Knife ogryn

[hollow ibex]

not very fast

[elfin heath]

Would be an improvement

If it had the speed buff

[hollow ibex]

everything orgyn related needs to be slow af because fatshart said so

[tame lodge]

Well cleavers are fast

For Ogryn standards that is

Wish Cleavers were good

[sour chasm]

About average I guess, I only started Darktide recently so I'm no expert

[tall torrent]

knife makes everyone run fast, not just veteran
zealot & psyker actually can run even faster

[novel stone]

Should I use puncture on the boltgun?

Been using it for a bit but I think the blessing I had before was better

[elfin heath]

I mean they are better then the maul lmao

[novel stone]

I think I was using pinning fire before

[pallid jetty]

i use it, works fine

[novel stone]

Alright I'll keep it on then

[pallid jetty]

more damage to monstrosities, or pus-skinned gunners

[novel stone]

That's why I was using it

[pallid jetty]

sometimes the bleed damage makes it enough to kill

[tall torrent]

pinning fire + puncture for veteran

[novel stone]

Not shattering impact?

[tall torrent]

doesn't do that much for veteran

for zealot it's ok if u need ur gun to kill carapace

[pallid jetty]

if your melee deals with carapace with ease*

[novel stone]

Why not for vet though?

[pallid jetty]

idk, i run it also

cause why not

brittleness + bleed

[tall torrent]

only changes crusher shots to kill by 1 and doesn't do much else

[novel stone]

Alright thx

I thought brittle helped with more than just armor

[tall torrent]

it's related to the weapon's innate ADM

[tall torrent]

If you’re new & inexperienced, wounds have some value in preventing deaths

But they’re usually not worth it if you’re more experienced with the game

Only exception is zealot with martyrdom keystone

Wounds don’t make you “survive better”

[broken spade]

If you're not martyrdom, only take wounds if you expect to be worse than the other players

[tall torrent]

Things that normally would down you will down you faster compared to health & toughness curios

[broken spade]

remember, you have to go down before your teammates for your wounds to have value

[tall torrent]

Wounds only help to prevent deaths (not downs), assuming there’re other players to revive you if you get downed

[terse idol]

It also messes with health stims

the more wounds you have

[broken spade]

if something kills you last, your wounds aint doing shit

[terse idol]

Having 2 wound curios means even when you're healing with a healing stim you're not gaining the maximum possible benefit you're getting stop gapped by your wound

[pastel pumice]

Go stam and tough

Wounds for babies

2 wound gang

[stoic thorn]

It would be so funny

If the krieg cosmetic sets changed one voiceline of the VoC cutthroat

From for creed to for krieg

[karmic moat]

wish the hoses connected tho

[frigid tusk]

Oh hey

LOL

[marsh shard]

Psyker players tend to be the shittiest

Hundreds of hours behind other players in terms of skill due to spending countless hours spamming assail or smite

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent Here's an incredibly dumb question

Does this pair with Revive shout

I might cook up a meme build

[tall torrent]

wdym

[faint beacon]

If I revive them with that Revive shout node

does it still give them that DR buff

[tall torrent]

yea

but

why

[faint beacon]

It seems really funny to me

[grand perch]

i prophesise 0 people benefitting enough from that DR to make it worth it

[tough tiger]

Yeah

If they get hit after picked up, it means they're fated to die from the beginning

[light ridge]

The one argument for it is when you rez them with an Infiltration build with -90% aggro
But the suppression from dropping out of Stealth is probably enough protection

And the Shredder I drop at their feet

[lucid bough]

Since I started playing an infiltration build coming from a voice team support build: the amount of damage taken and getting downed/captured of my team, as well as me having to clutch has gone way up xD. It is good when you enjoy other people watching you play.

It is such a pity, because the combat knife infiltration build is lots of fun and the voice spam build is starting to bore me

[tough tiger]

It will feel better when people use their stimms on you instead of themselves

It is the greatest form of validation you can get in this game

[lucid bough]

I only receive a med stim every once in a while.

[thorn lark]

Zealot players tend to be the shittiest
Hundreds of hours behind other players in terms of skill due to spending countless hours spamming sprint or m1

[umbral grove]

If they eat the laxatives planted in their lunch, they were fated to shit their pants from the beginning

[thorn lark]

Ogryn players tend to be the shittiest
Hundreds of hours behind other players in terms of skill due to spending countless hours spamming I need ammo or I need healing

[unreal nova]

You mean Zealot/Vet aggro dumpers. Can't deal with dook? Dump them on teammates.

[thorn lark]

Wow. So easy to do generalization.

[unreal nova]

Press invis.

[wanton dawn]

Dissing infiltrate for increasing pressure on your team is a healthy take

I'd rather have ogryn taunt

[thorn lark]

You can just use infiltrate when needed tho that's what I do with shroudfield. I use it to guarantee a Crit or do a safe rez.

[unreal nova]

Thing is, that is what good players do. Some just use it to dump aggro or leave team to deal with everything then mock them when they do it 1 man down.

[wanton dawn]

Or you can clip those amazing clutch with all your team left for dead

Which is definitely not your fault

[light ridge]

Why does Vet Infiltration get such a bad rep when Zealots will happily Shroudfield spam?
At least Infiltration provides suppression when it drops

[wanton dawn]

Cuz zealot get dissed too

Shroud knife zealot is a meme

[unreal nova]

With loner.

[wanton dawn]

Vet have a better ult in shout, thats mostly it

[light ridge]

It's fun but I lag like crazy when I try it
I like Infiltration but indeed the main reason for the bad rep is that shout exists

[wanton dawn]

And again, it encourages a selfish playstyle which get on the wrong side of ppl. Helps your score number at the expense of other's too

You can use well. But with shout you cannot go wrong at all

[light ridge]

I use Infiltration when I need it:
Someone is down
Buttons need pushing
Stuff needs to be carried
Or I made a mistake/got left behind

[unreal nova]

Honestly, at least infil vets do objectives.

[wanton dawn]

In the end, i only complain about ppl playing invis or shroud when I am myself playing substandard build that require more peeling

[unreal nova]

GL with most shroud zealots.

[wanton dawn]

When i play my top meta i can handle the pressure anyway

But having to switch to meta is sad

I like exe stance

[light ridge]

I play Infiltration mostly because people keep forgetting to do the objectives
So if they want to fight, they can have the aggro, I'm off to push that button

[wanton dawn]

Me getting 1 infil 2 shroud with bolter exe mf

[unreal nova]

You get all the aggro and no help.

Been there, hate it.

[wanton dawn]

And guess who get down first ?

[unreal nova]

Either you or one of the Zealots.

[wanton dawn]

Thats a trick question. Its you. So its your fault if we lose

[unreal nova]

And usually it's the infil vet sticking around.

The zealots are like 2 drop downs and in the lift.

[wanton dawn]

Well, they will die eventually, when the horde catch up

[light ridge]

The one dies first is the autopistol vet who keeps kneeling to shoot things and eats up all the ammo

Seriously what is with all the kneeling vets lately?

[wanton dawn]

I can respect autopistol vet

[warm bolt]

I saw 4 shroud zealots in my game time and only 2 didnt yell slurs at the team when 3 bosses caught up to them

[light ridge]

Me too, autopistol is my first love but mostly on Psyker

[warm bolt]

Like 300 meters away from the team and you really expect support?

[light ridge]

Zealot brain is a thing, happens to me too but I accept it
Zealot tells everyone to stay together, dies on the other side of the map because only the psyker can keep up and they're smarter

[wanton dawn]

Cuz its so bad that you are either little baby or doing it on purpose

[thorn lark]

probably for the penance...

[light ridge]

yeah but in Auric?

[warm bolt]

Nah i dont have a problem with that, but if you start calling the team slurs because of that saying "you're fucking unlucky, why cant you play" as you bumrush triggering 3 bosses including a demonhost i start having some problems

[unreal nova]

Is also where you play. I'm in a region where everyone wants to be carry. Playing support just isn't worth it and 300ping is well, kinda painful at times since I can't do minigames except train but slower than others.

[wanton dawn]

Ppl not knowing how to farm mf penance is a thing

[wanton dawn]

Yeah but shout is like, support baked in the best ult

[unreal nova]

Crabwalk the game.

[light ridge]

Yeah, it's easy with a recon, I did take camouflage but only so I was building stacks when I didn't need to move anyway

[thorn lark]

crabtide

[unreal nova]

I know. Doesn't do much when you are left alone by 3 stealth speedrunners.

[warm bolt]

[wanton dawn]

Did it with vrak autogun (ciag) without particular gameplay adjustment

[light ridge]

I remember one of those joining a Heresy game, rushing and aggroing the entire map and than complaining about the bunch of lvl 20s not knowing how to deal with that...
He died to a dog as is fitting

[warm bolt]

Lmao the irony

[wanton dawn]

That's what i said about me using meta vs me on exe stance

[light ridge]

Same with Grimoire gatherer in Auric
Got jumped by a dog, nobody helped

[thorn lark]

imagine being the one with bolter relic

slowtide the game

[unreal nova]

You pick grim to not eat it, you deserve death.

[wanton dawn]

Imagine caring about book

[unreal nova]

Just anything that doesn't go SPEED tbh.

[light ridge]

Yup, we even told them the grim was killing us
They picked this map for the grims
So we whiped, but not before they died

[odd sparrow]

Grims are actually so evil in this game

[light ridge]

I think that's the point of them

[odd sparrow]

Yeah but they arent even worth the effort

[light ridge]

Penance I suppose

[unreal nova]

Is one thing if you asked and everyone said yes.

[light ridge]

I will get that penance someday in the distant future, maybe

[thorn lark]

last solo clutch i had to do i didn't remember how to destroy the grim... so i had to left 2 medkit and 1 ammo crate behind....

😭

[unreal nova]

Or it's malice and below and you are 3-4 manning and durping around.

Just to do said penances.

[warm bolt]

I wish it was like in vermintide where zealot just could not give a fuck about grimoire

Or something

[light ridge]

If you're good enough for Auric, you can go grim hunting in Malice or even Heresy without causing real problems
But why do it in Auric?

[wanton dawn]

Well, i am durping around in maelstrom

But no grim here

[thorn lark]

we need grims in havoc

[odd sparrow]

Anyone else experiencing a bug with power sword mk6(the diagonal one) push attack.

Many games now ive used the push attack and followup overhead. But sometimes my push attack will be overwritten by the overhead for the rest of the mission. This being immensly frustrating since i can no longer combo crushers and the overhead has much less range than the thrust

[unreal nova]

I know, is why we just did malice and below so less players and more calling each other nubs for getting hit.

[warm bolt]

Oh so it wasnt just me fucking up a combo

There's something wrong with the attack for sure

[grand perch]

Never had that happen

[thorn lark]

@tall torrent you heard about that?

[odd sparrow]

It seems to happen when i block an attack while inputting a push attack or something like that

[lucid bough]

I rather meant the missing golden condom from voice. When I infiltrate it is to make the elites turn their back on me so I can delete them quicker or to get a team mate up without interruption

[lucid bough]

A worthy sacrifice for roleplay reasons

[tall torrent]

No, I don’t rly use power sword

[tall torrent]

I’d recommend u record if possible and report in FS forums

[thorn lark]

first you should try to replicate it in the psykh

[wanton dawn]

Banned for macro cancelling or smth

[light ridge]

I also to find a Sniper and shoot it so it stops shooting me and the rest

[thorn lark]

yeah but you lack the thrill of doing that between 2 melee attacks in a horde

[tall torrent]

Am too lazy

[thorn lark]

not you, one of the 2 people reporting the bug

@odd sparrow and @scarlet pike

[lucid bough]

I finally found myself a second combat knife with mobility dump. Wanted to use the Mark 4 variant with haymaker. Which other blessing would go well with it? What are its combos?
I know like:
H > H > L > L for (I assume) mixed hordes and to proc haymaker
Push Attack > Special/Light > Heavy for the heavy downswing

For perks I currently run Carapace, Flak

[frank ledge]

knife veteran

[pseudo fiber]

Can't go wrong with uncanny strike

[lucid bough]

I'm cheeky like that

Also lore accurate

[unreal nova]

Is fun. Great on beeg boomies build, yes.

[frank ledge]

Never

You will not get me to use anything outside of my shockmaul

My Arbiters cosplay will never stop

[unreal nova]

I just need a commissar set.

Then gotta go back to less funni ds4.

[umbral grove]

There are two hats atleast

[unreal nova]

I know, a red black one and a black one. Not including Dukane's from mods.

[umbral grove]

Yeah

[light ridge]

Try not to shout rez people who are in flames...
It's unexpected and they get a very short time to get out of the fire...

[inland orchid]

Regular rez them instead so they know they’re about to get hot feet

[warm bolt]

I like my teammates well-done

[light ridge]

I pretty much die every time that happens...

Oh I'm down, let me drink or scratch my nose .... shout ... dead

[lucid bough]

I like them baked (and most likely they are)

[wanton dawn]

I like them blue or rare

[unreal nova]

Live and bloody?

[wanton dawn]

Live is optional

[unreal nova]

I like to risk it with blood cockles. Better bloody than overcooked.

[wanton dawn]

I mean, if you ever eaten raw oyster, they are still live when served

[lucid bough]

Humanity, never change

[unreal nova]

They tend to be frozen more like. Unless you rich.

[wanton dawn]

Sorry, i dont live in a country where frozen oyster is considered acceptable

[unreal nova]

Is fine in oyster omelette.

[wanton dawn]

Its eaten raw during winter holiday season

[unreal nova]

Or orh luak.

Cos well, they get fried anyway.

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-its-raw-raw-gif-12603501

[unreal nova]

Live is for rich ppl. I'm on the other end.

[wanton dawn]

No, i mean its christmas food. I dont eat them in other circumstance

[unreal nova]

Oh. You can have them near year round here if you have wealth.

The live ones.

[wanton dawn]

I like my food seasonal

[unreal nova]

I just like bbt anyway.

Why get 1 live oyster when I can feed my cravings for diabeetus.

[wanton dawn]

Having eaten off-season watermelon once, i told to myself: never again

[unreal nova]

Err... why do you have off season watermelon? Those are either stored for ages or are just forced grown on actual sugar.

[wanton dawn]

I don't. That's the point.

[unreal nova]

And they just suck at being stored.

[wanton dawn]

And it was not off. It was just a let down

[unreal nova]

Mhm.

Better just get freezedried at that point.

Funni texture.

[wanton dawn]

Get me one plucked from a few kilometers away, stored in the fridge and eaten during a hot summer day

[unreal nova]

That's most of the time here for watermelons.

Next to equator after all.

[wanton dawn]

And do not put cheap feta in it for christ sake

[unreal nova]

Wut? Why stinky cheese?

[wanton dawn]

Cuz i get force feed greek salad from time to time

[unreal nova]

Oh.

Too ex, so safe.

[latent parcel]

you gamin? i need you to and karien to carry my shield ogryn

[unreal nova]

Wat. I nub, what you mean?

[latent parcel]

no! you carry

[unreal nova]

I heresy player.

[latent parcel]

my oggy lvl 39 needs high havoc carry

[unreal nova]

You know I did it with 3 carries, right?

[latent parcel]

you were one of them. right?!

[unreal nova]

And just chorus free crits for team it?

No.

[latent parcel]

😦

[unreal nova]

I do no damage, just never ded.

[latent parcel]

good enuf

[unreal nova]

Cockroach buffer.

[latent parcel]

you cleared 40?

[unreal nova]

While panicking.

Yeah.

[latent parcel]

niceee

[unreal nova]

With 260-300 ping.

[latent parcel]

rip

you playn hard mode

[unreal nova]

Eu carries.

[wanton dawn]

Not before a few hours. Its still workday and i have meetings

[latent parcel]

ok np.

[unreal nova]

Had Syllo and Chaos lul.

[latent parcel]

Karien the karry

[unreal nova]

Nu.

[latent parcel]

so far i did 33 pub on ogryn

need to keep climbn

[unreal nova]

The scoreboard was posted even I think.

I just had no deaths or downs.

[latent parcel]

thats good tho

[unreal nova]

Failed true survivor because of them. Lul.

[latent parcel]

noobs!

[unreal nova]

To be fair, we did get the worst possible spawns in my book.

BoN in tight corridor map?

[latent parcel]

which map

[unreal nova]

Warren, I think.

[latent parcel]

that can be a hard one

fun tho

[unreal nova]

My current 40 makes me wanna jump off the side of Gloriana.

Oh wait, it is Gloriana.

[latent parcel]

🤣

gloriana fun!

chorus boss off map

gg

[unreal nova]

Nu.

Events are a nightmare even on heresy.

[latent parcel]

nahhh they fun!

[unreal nova]

Nobody wants to follow me to go bonk gears.

One got mad I was running off.

One kept dying and...

[latent parcel]

sounds like you need my oggy!!!

u ready for some aurics

[unreal nova]

Nu. Am still doing auric exemplar.

[latent parcel]

😦

you just dont wanna play wit e

me

[unreal nova]

Lost 9/10 on train because bad players.

Want 4 man.

[latent parcel]

my oggy is 3 man

😄

[unreal nova]

.-.

You want a krak, is it?

[latent parcel]

nah im just messin you good

another time tho!

[heady trout]

The revolver, i love it and have no issues on auric maelstrom but going into havoc i feel with the reload i just cant justify it over something like the plasma. Is anyone comfy with it in havoc and if so, do you have any tips? i just feel like im reloading all the time and cant prevent the buildup of mobs even with weapon swap reloading some ammo

[wicked epoch]

Ask brunt for a speedloader

[latent parcel]

Revolver is very mid in havoc for the reasons you just explained. no ammo and the breakpoints just get thrown out the window

[unreal nova]

Is more, lazing about. If you can find 3 others, I'll try more with my zealot for maximum bs survivability.

[heady trout]

thats what i thought i was just curious what other people felt like with it. ty

[latent parcel]

i just like pubbin

makes it harder

[unreal nova]

You just go las or plasma. Or Bolt Pistol grenadier.

[unreal nova]

When 2 idiots screwed you over...

[latent parcel]

dont hate! people just dont know

[wicked epoch]

Do pubs in auric suck that bad?

[unreal nova]

How does a bloody oggy die in 1 sec after being picked up???

[latent parcel]

ill show you. come play 😄

[unreal nova]

Auric damn btw.

[wicked epoch]

personally i havent had problems on pubs

then again i stick to reg damn

[unreal nova]

I'm lagging at 300 ping avg and still alive.

[latent parcel]

LF karien Karry!

[unreal nova]

I picked the damn guy twice in 10 secs.

Just.

You should not be in auric damn on oggy if you seriously just won't slab or lrn2slidedodge.

[balmy flume]

As a fellow PUG enjoyed, I do have to say certain Auric penances are biased towards having a good group

[unreal nova]

You want 6 kraks to the face, is it?

[latent parcel]

nu

[latent parcel]

you problay right i havent done auric exmpler yet

i rarely do aurics now adays

[unreal nova]

Yep. You need carries (or just good players) for some.

Legit ASS heh.

Funny when it's on my vet.

[latent parcel]

ASS i got in pubs

without trying for it

[heady trout]

thats impressive, when i think about going for it its always a randomer hitting a barrel behind me or something that i know will fail it

[wanton dawn]

I had to try. Try not to play nurgle blessed monster that is

Ppl were leaving a lot

[unreal nova]

I just got with ppl in vet and psyker mains. By accident though.

[latent parcel]

i was just trying new meme builds out

[unreal nova]

Then when you try for auric exemplar...

[latent parcel]

i dont play aurics 😦

[unreal nova]

Mael counts.

Just usually a worse idea.

[latent parcel]

does it ?!

oof

[unreal nova]

Since harder.

[latent parcel]

i dont paly them usually either. just full havoc

no havocs up now tho 😦

[unreal nova]

I lost and gained from mael.

For exemplar.

[latent parcel]

i just dont care for penaces now adays i did them all before the update and havent cared much

[unreal nova]

I just do them because.

Not like I use titles.

[latent parcel]

people like doin them! nothing wrong with it

[unreal nova]

It's been a blank.

[wanton dawn]

I cycle through my title

[latent parcel]

i want ring master title

cuz my ogryn name needs it

[wanton dawn]

I think i have all the orange ?

[unreal nova]

Why I find it funny the guy with havoc 40 was yelling at everyone in mandarin in normal heresy. What did he expect?

Ppl who know Gloriana?

[wanton dawn]

The only thing that get me reaction is the true lvl anyway

Ah, and my ogryn name

[unreal nova]

I'm running off to do shit cos you ain't doing shit but showing off your havoc forged title.

[unreal nova]

Then +47 zealot in havoc 40.

[wanton dawn]

Maybe i should make a nrw vet just for fooling ppl

Myself first

[frigid tusk]

My psyker is only like +56 and I can still reliably play a trauma/bub in h40 tho 👀

[unreal nova]

That is my zealot btw.

Lvls don't mean much at times. Titles as well.

[frigid tusk]

The most skilled people can still fuck up and have bad runs :P

[unreal nova]

Also that.

[livid compass]

game crashes say hello and would like to inform u about your car's extended warranty

[frigid tusk]

💀

[unreal nova]

Lul.

[latent parcel]

why is zealot chat so.... different.... compared to the others

[inland orchid]

Faith finds a way

[latent parcel]

i dont even go in there nymore

[livid compass]

(because its better)

[light ridge]

It explains why zealot players are the way they are though

[wanton dawn]

Vet chat used to be unhinged as well

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-darktide-rave-40k-kruber-gif-26978274

[livid compass]

psyker chat also tbh

[inland orchid]

Reminder of the obvious “not every operative is in the discord”

[sinful palm]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-gif-17556910517109081583

[livid compass]

and we don't talk about what happens in ogryn chat lmao

[light ridge]

Obviously but still

[grand perch]

i asked them to show me their favorite rocks

then i saw their favorite rocks

marvellous

[unreal nova]

That is my fault though. The funni les vet sharing yuri and puppos there.

[grand perch]

vet chat has been renamed to vanilla chat

[unreal nova]

I mean, is where numbers are crunched and such.

[livid compass]

eh no worries bringing some life in a chat can be good imo

[unreal nova]

Points at @tall torrent.

[wanton dawn]

Some of us like math. A bit too much

Other just want to watch their build get validated

[unreal nova]

Also see. All the Math nuts are here. I dun rike Math so go hang out more with psykers.

[wanton dawn]

But we mostly dont want to see zealot here

Might be just me though

Am a tiny bit prejudiced

[livid compass]

u killing me smalls dear sir

[wanton dawn]

Don't worry, i am zealot-blind. Don't talk about shroud, fotf and ill be oblivious

[unreal nova]

Chorus only, because nice supports gud.

[livid compass]

I give my support in reviving people I guess

[wanton dawn]

Tbf, this is just because we sometimes get refugees from other chat trying to talk about build

I guess because other chat talk about other stuff

[livid compass]

nah me Im all about vibes only

[wanton dawn]

I dont check other class chat, i wouldnt know

https://tenor.com/view/grimace-clint-eastwood-gran-torino-yuck-eww-gif-4412827

[livid compass]

yeah nah ain't that active either and only show up from time to time

[unreal nova]

To be fair, psyker mains also does that at times.

Saner zealots and bored vets, I guess?

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-ice-baby-vanilla-ice-rap-musiv-video-gif-11959717673329722264

[opaque violet]

anyone have suggestions on build paths that make use of weapon specialist?

[marsh shard]

Feel like vet is the best class in the game

[thorn lark]

Bro. You should take a break. And maybe touch grass.

[marsh shard]

I work 12-16hr shifts and got money in the bank. On my days off I game, eat, and chat on discord. If you're offended, maybe you need to touch grass lol.

[thorn lark]

You've been ranting on multiple chats already. For hours.

[marsh shard]

I'm talking about vet, in the vet class chat.

Stop being a karen.

[thorn lark]

I have no idea what the fact that you're working and have money in the bank has to do with anything

[marsh shard]

Okay, Karen.

[thorn lark]

I am not a Karen. But you're certainly not a Chad.

Also, not offended. I just feel pity for you.

[marsh shard]

Hey, to be fair I woke up... played in a match with 3 psykers and 2 were spamming smite while the 3rd spent half the match dead

[thorn lark]

Ah that's a problem

[marsh shard]

Then took a break and came back to a similar situation

[thorn lark]

Just take a break from the game or change region

You cannot fight against people trying to play above their skill lvl

[marsh shard]

I understand there are new players with the game being released on PS5, but jeez. Other classes don't emit purple lightning from their hands when they're playing poorly, so its not as obvious

[thorn lark]

Have you tried talking to them?

Or you can just leave the mission

[opaque violet]

[lucid bough]

When I see a smyker who smites every little trashmob I just think, they do it for the penance

[marsh shard]

Nah. In tide games there is always something you could have done differently yourself if you lost. I just learn from the experience and get better myself 👍 Managed to squeeze out both wins.

Either way, def feel Vet is in a great state of balance right now

Psyker is still my favorite class to play

[umbral grove]

I just go to other chats to shitpost

[thorn lark]

There's still some work to be done tbh

But zealot and ogryns are in a great need of rework

[unreal nova]

You just got unlucky and just spammed on it? Do you know how many dook vets/zealots/psykers/oggys I get?

[marsh shard]

Feel like VoC needs tuned, overshielding in general.

But if you look at the way Zealot/Ogryn/Psyker are designed... its a significant step up

[unreal nova]

Vets that can't shoot or forget their shout, zealots that potato in melee when until clutch poofs, psykers just being paper and oggys being also paper in a diff they cannot play in.

[marsh shard]

Feel like Zealot and Ogryn are pidgeon-holed into running very similar trees in their builds

Psyker has the issue of all their specials being sus and how much of their power budget is loaded into psykinetics aura

Feel like vet has the most build variance

[unreal nova]

Is pugs, you live with the randomness of player quality or you l4g with generally better players.

[umbral grove]

[marsh shard]

Smite spam just leads to a worse gameplay experience overall. They become reliant on team to kill everything, and team kills everything slower because they can't activate their dodge buffs

[unreal nova]

I have had oggies question 3 psykers in auric before.

[marsh shard]

Really slows down the game and litters the screen with purple crap

[unreal nova]

It ended up fine anyway.

[marsh shard]

My issue with zealot is I feel that their tknives are their objectively best special

And if you arent good at landing headshots with them then you may as well play a different class

Because zealot nades are ass

[unreal nova]

Like I said, pugging is dealing with randomness.

[marsh shard]

I'm talking class balance

[unreal nova]

Yes, ppl use what they feel comfortable with.

[marsh shard]

Vets have 2 great specials, and all their ults are solid (VoC is broken good, tho)

[unreal nova]

It might not be great, but if they enjoy it, what can you really say?

[marsh shard]

Nah thats fine, aside from smite psykers I really dont care at all how others play

[unreal nova]

I can say ds4/plasma/shout vet is boring as well, but it's strong so nobody hates it.

[marsh shard]

I'm talking from the perspective of someone who got back into dt within the last couple months and just got vet/zealot up to 30 a couple weeks ago after maining psyker for ages

[opaque violet]

Anyone have advice for build paths that use the Weapons Specialist keystone?

[unreal nova]

I played with mostly newbs since HC. Only later where I get dragged into pain by vet/psyker mains basically.

They dragged a heresy player into h40.

[marsh shard]

I'm not a fan of builds which force the other players to warp their gameplay loop around you, if that makes sense.

Builds that disables others from working

[unreal nova]

To be fair, tauntgryn can also do it in a way.

If you care about dodging things aimed at you.

I also rather smite than a poorly used taunt.

Did not need to be horded next to one.

Can't dodge out.

[marsh shard]

Issue is I've turned into a massive dclaw fan

[unreal nova]

Depending on char, can't clear fast enough to get out.

[marsh shard]

The parry does a truckload of damage, can delete a pack of ragers in seconds.

But then you get some dude that just spams smite which kills my dps

[tame lodge]

There's probably better trees out there

But I didn't check

[unreal nova]

Like I said, player quality matters. If you use smite right, is all good.

[marsh shard]

Dclaw does doodoo damage vs armor outside of their parry

So when playing with smite psykers I feel like a wet noodle

[opaque violet]

thank you

bottom paths are pretty similar to what I was thinking, but I went through krak grenades instead. Are smoke and frags normally prefered?

[still crater]

LOL. Yeah, of course. Grenades are the most important part of a melee class, obviously you're useless if you dont use throwing knives and should just quit

What is blud on about

[marsh shard]

Zealot's nades are incredibly weak and don't regenerate naturally like vets do

[still crater]

Yes

And?

[unreal nova]

Then I can say, use better melees. But then you will argue you want to play the way you want to which I agree, but is the same for others. The penance for it is also bleah.

[marsh shard]

And Zealot outputs similar damage as vet in melee

[still crater]

No tf they do not

[marsh shard]

Yes tf they do

Have you read vet's nodes?

[opaque violet]

sounds like you're playing with bad zealots then

[still crater]

Have you played zealot

[tame lodge]

You'll be fine with whatever grenade
It's just easier to get Agile Engagement with Smokes

[opaque violet]

ah right. good point

[marsh shard]

Yeah, zealot has a truckload of built in durability and clutch potential as a result.

But Vets get a TON of bonuses to crit, weakspot damage, and also get the +20% to ogryns and monstrosities

[still crater]

...durability??? Has nothing to do with melee damage

Stop getting hit lol

[marsh shard]

Right

Which is why I say... just play vet if you cant throw tknives

[still crater]

Insane take

[marsh shard]

Take a built vet and a built zealot into the training room and test it yourself

The damage

[opaque violet]

I can literally have 100% crit rate on my zealot if I really wanted

[still crater]

No im not gonna waste my time vet is objectively worse for melee

[marsh shard]

Zealot gets 25% crit chance from a keystone + 2 nodes for that keystone.

Vet get 25% crit chance from 1 node just for dodging 5 times

[unreal nova]

Anyway, why am I arguing with someone who expects random others to play around their stuff when they get mad when having to work around random others.

[still crater]

Ok cool, what big 2 handed weapon for killing stuff does vet get?

[opaque violet]

zealot has a skill early into their tree that can give them another 30% crit rate and have several other nodes that add 5%

[still crater]

What martyrdom build does vet get?

[marsh shard]

Dueling Sword Mk4

[still crater]

Ds4 is shit for damage and is a crutch

[marsh shard]

DS4, Knife, Rashad, Power Sword

[crisp oak]

Vets cannot oneshot a boss

[marsh shard]

Vets are as good as Zealots at dealing melee damage

[opaque violet]

right now on my build for my zealot I have 20% base from running a knife, 25% from my keystone, up to 30% from Scourge. 75% crit rate. If I swapped a blessing to repost I have another 20% and I could change a perk to 5% crit rate to make 100% @marsh shard

[still crater]

You're tripping balls lmao

[crisp oak]

Not really, vets dont get duelist

And all of the extra shit on dodges

Superiority complex + weakspot doesnt really come close

In addition zealot has more stamina and better regen, meaning more pushes and blocking

[still crater]

And better sprint speed. And better weapon options

[crisp oak]

In addition zealots have bring them down but better.....

At the top of their tree

[opaque violet]

Also consistently one shotting everything except ogryns, crushers and scab ragers, with my build, but I will one shot all of those whenever my ability is up, which I can trigger again within 5 seconds during a fight due to my cooldown bonuses that trigger ffrom my melee

[crisp oak]

The dude is just coping his skill issue because he can't hit knives

Like this is how his nade rant started

[still crater]

Or cant figure out how to use stunners or immo lmao

[crisp oak]

By him saying "Im swapping to vet because I can't use tknives"

[opaque violet]

I do not even know what the complaint is with the other grenades. I prefer knives, but firebombs are great for clearing out chaff and stun can literally save lives in situations

[still crater]

...yep 😂

[crisp oak]

His stance is that zealots nades should regen like vets

Because they are worse than shredders and vet gets to refresh them

[opaque violet]

there are grenades all over the place. If you are really having trouble with having enough grenades then I assume there is no effort being put into checking crates and the side rooms

[opaque violet]

My freind runs the immolation grenades and he often ends up just intentionally wasting them because we find so many grenades in mission, I use knives so dont need them, and all our vets regen grrenades so also dont need them

[crisp oak]

Serrated blade is literally a worse version of zealots

[crisp oak]

Without the reason zealots take it

[still crater]

Yes we have all read the talents for vet. It doesn't translate to damage in a mission

[crisp oak]

And how many of these nodes are mutually exclusive?

Like do you think I dont know how the vet tree works

[marsh shard]

The ones I posted? 2

[crisp oak]

Yeah ws and focus target

[opaque violet]

focus doesnt apply to melee

it is only ranges

[crisp oak]

Yes it does

Focus target?

[marsh shard]

@crisp oak I know you get it, this guy doesn't tho

[still crater]

Lmfaooo

[marsh shard]

I'll compromise

[opaque violet]

my bad, thought he was posting stuff for marksmans focus

[crisp oak]

It happens

[marsh shard]

Zealot isn't far enough ahead of Vet in melee to justify how much worse it is than Vet at shooting/nades

Unless they are good with tknives

[crisp oak]

But yeah zealot gets duelist (50% weakspot and crit damage), purge the unclean (better bring them down), and guarunteed crits

Also close range kilk

[still crater]

You're wrong. A competent zealot beats a great vet at melee every time

[marsh shard]

Vet has great melee while also having the game's best shooting and nades

[still crater]

They are simply built for it

[crisp oak]

The thing is, zealot has way better stamina economy and base movement

[opaque violet]

I can literally clear entire sections of Auric 5 missions solo after my team has gone down and get everyone back up again while using only melee

[crisp oak]

Which is the most important things for "good players"

[marsh shard]

Every class can do that

[wanton dawn]

We might not have the best nade (arguable) but definitely best nade regen

[crisp oak]

The best nade is the oggy bomb

Its just a delete the room button

[marsh shard]

You can throw like 50+ shredders a game is the thing

But yeah, I understand your point

[still crater]

Grenades aren't the crux of every engagement. You're too stuck on that lmfaooo

[marsh shard]

I'm not

[still crater]

Ur first point was literally "if youre bad at tknives quit zealot"

Zealot doesnt need tknives

[wanton dawn]

In no ammo maelstrom i can throw nade at every engagement

[marsh shard]

Zealot isnt lightyears ahead of Zealot in melee, but Vet is lightyears ahead of Zealot in terms of shooting and nades

[still crater]

You overstate their importance

[wanton dawn]

Its like, 20% of my dmg in that mode

Its good

[crisp oak]

Yeah in h40s like 30% of my damage is shredders

I will add I eat shit way less as zealot

Because weapon selection

[wanton dawn]

Ehh, in h40 idk

[crisp oak]

Works way better for horde clear and st

[crisp oak]

I start off every engagement with a shredder

And then if the engagement isnt over, I use another

[marsh shard]

Zealot is signif more durable, and their durability scales ridiculously well because they have a 2min "oh shit" button

[unreal nova]

He argues to argue, and then ignores you if you make a point.

[wanton dawn]

Density in h40 is not the same as in no ammo

No ammo has fuckton of melee elite

[marsh shard]

I stick by the "if youre bad at tknives quit zealot" statement

[crisp oak]

True, but the clown car of ragers will recover your nades

[wanton dawn]

Well, in general i just shoot clown car ig

[crisp oak]

Ammo is pain

[opaque violet]

I am still waiting for the explanation on how vet has more melee crit than zealot by the way. can zealot even reach close to the melee crit I mentioned I can get on zealot?

[still crater]

I dont have to convince this guy, you're totally right

[marsh shard]

Tknives are THAT good

[crisp oak]

Not gonna lie I forget I have knives a ton

[marsh shard]

Lightyears ahead of the other 2 options

[crisp oak]

Because dont need it in normal gameplay

[marsh shard]

1hko to the head

[still crater]

No you're wrong

[marsh shard]

And regenerate

[crisp oak]

Not in havok they aint

[still crater]

No you're wrong

[crisp oak]

And not even in damn to ragers I think

[marsh shard]

2hko to the head

[marsh shard]

Specials

[opaque violet]

you were dismissing the other options as non viable and claiming you have to run knives and good aim, which is blatantly false

[marsh shard]

Look

[unreal nova]

Yep. Is like, you don't like x, just lfg. You don't like y, don't use it.

[marsh shard]

In a mode where you are limited on ammo and ideally funneling ammo to the guy with the plasma, having a horde of tknives that regenerate when you kill elites and specials is extremely good

[opaque violet]

you can one shot standard ragers with the right build using knives. the blessings and perks for your active weapon can apply, so you can get the 120% rending from on them from something like uncanny strike or other bonuses that will increase the damage

[marsh shard]

Ideally Zealot isnt picking up ammo at all

[crisp oak]

Depends

[marsh shard]

And leveraging their melee prowess

[crisp oak]

Flamer zealot gets ammo

Bolter zealot can get some ammo

[marsh shard]

Flamer Zealot is made obsolete by Purge Psyker

[crisp oak]

Revolver zealot shouldnt need ammo

[marsh shard]

Give the ammo to the vet

[crisp oak]

If survivalist

[calm shard]

the vet with shocktrooper and a laspistol is not going to need ammo

or a recon las

[crisp oak]

Hes talking aboutnplasma

[calm shard]

if they're plasma gun sure

[crisp oak]

Which is not the best weapon for 40s

[wanton dawn]

You underestimate my pewpew

[crisp oak]

Since it loses a lot of its onetaps

[opaque violet]

false

they have thier own stacks, you can anihalate hordes with a flamer and a purge staff together

including the elites and speacilists

[marsh shard]

Purge does fine by itself and doesn't take ammo from everyone else

[calm shard]

flamer does also just have way better damage than psykers staff

but in general yeah the psyker taping down LMB and not thinking is good enough

[opaque violet]

does it? my brother was claiming my flamer was doing more, but I really cannot tell.

[crisp oak]

Inferno uses rmb

[calm shard]

okay?

[unreal nova]

It does. Flamers do more but rely on ammo.

[calm shard]

and you have to press lmb to actually shoot when you charge it

which you then hold

for a very long time

[crisp oak]

Yup just pointing that out

Being pedantic

[unreal nova]

And the slow reload if you don't run burn ammo pile on crits.

[marsh shard]

Lol @ Zealot taking ammo from any other class

[calm shard]

I kind of hate it and trauma staff mostly because I don't think psyker should be able to be 100% dependent on their staves

[crisp oak]

I like the trauma staff because its left clicks arent absolutely terrible

[opaque violet]

flamer with everlasting flame and either blaze away or penetrating flame gets silly