veteran-class

[vivid silo]

When Rending goes over 100% then it is converted to damage at a 1:4 ratio (or maybe 1:5).

[ocean idol]

Does lethla proximity work only when bistol is drawn?

[narrow frost]

No

Always active

[unreal nova]

No. FS coding.

[sullen jackal]

Rending tends to not exactly be against a specific armor type afaik. It's simply a damage boost against not unarmored/maybe infested.

[analog mural]

rending does not work vs infested

[narrow frost]

And unarmored

[unreal nova]

Just lobs into scab hordes tbh. Will be a tiny bit easier on sanity.

[ocean idol]

of course i am doing that

but depending on allies, it might be even worse

[analog mural]

is that the krak penance? if so just do it on the moebian 21st and throw it into hordes

[ocean idol]

is it still possible to get +3 stamina trinkets?

I am trying to get my third one

for months

[sullen jackal]

yes, power 410 or higher

[analog mural]

+3 stamina does still exist yeah

[ocean idol]

is that relevant?

[unreal nova]

Just saying, the radius increase for it is tiny. You go from not hitting the psykhanium doggo throwing on the head of the birb symbol, to barely hitting on said symbol.

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah. For some reason a 400 power +3 stam curio is a +2 due to rounding issues

[sullen jackal]

no I just stated a random number because yes the power level is what scales the innate.

[unreal nova]

Any +3 stam below is a fake. I have not seen a 400 that actually gives +3 in a real match.

[ocean idol]

question about lethal prox was not connected to the kraks

[ocean idol]

But i just asked about +3

I just can't find +3 anymore

only +2

[ocean idol]

But that's acutally useful, did not know that

[sullen jackal]

410+ magic number

yay magic

accept the psyker as your savior

[ocean idol]

And also that means that i only have fake +3s

ah, wait, i only have one

still

[ocean idol]

Don't need to

already psyker main 😎

How do you even find moebian 21 now

i never see it anymore

[grand perch]

Havoc, like all the time

[unreal nova]

It kinda sucks when you think you finally got one, but it's actually just a +2.

[ocean idol]

holy hell

auric maelstrom is full of absolute goblins

holy fuck, never seen players so bad

[pseudo fiber]

I think it's been full of them since it's inception

[ocean idol]

well normal auric missions i mostly see decent players

But auric maelstrom is just malice all over again

[grand perch]

Many good players have wandered off to havoc is what I'm thinking

[light ridge]

Watched a Zealot flame a plague ogryn, realized the mission wasn't going to succeed

[tough tiger]

Mmhmm

Not only that but they dont even host public lobbies

They only play in premades

Good luck finding a high havoc lobby thats public these days

[grand perch]

Dunno I've had a few good ones past week or so

[ocean idol]

With DS is it better to spam light attacks agianst bosses?

[ocean idol]

????

Why would not zealot flame a plague ogryn

wat

[light ridge]

Exactly...

[ocean idol]

WHAT EXACTLY

IT IS THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU SAID

[light ridge]

Not wearing my glasses...

[grand perch]

Yeah I'm no proficient zealot player but flamer is great dps against all bosses except captains

[light ridge]

As Zealot I always felt I had better weapons to deal with bosses than the flamer

[dry cloak]

Thammer

[light ridge]

Eviscerator, Dagger, DS4, ...

At least Plague Ogryn are easy enough with those

[dry cloak]

Thammer

[light ridge]

I'll grant against Beast that bolter and flamer are better choices

[dry cloak]

Ds4 is a weapon that can teach bad habits

[dry cloak]

Thunderhammer

[light ridge]

I don't use the cocktail stick

[light ridge]

Yes, but while I want to like it, it doesn't seem to work for me

[dry cloak]

Why?

What wrong with it

[light ridge]

I think it's too slow for me

[dry cloak]

No ita not

[light ridge]

Skill issue

[ocean idol]

Only t-hammer is better, everything else is inferior

[indigo totem]

laughs in combat knife

[ocean idol]

no

you need time

since bosses attack you too

with flamer it does not matter

[indigo totem]

Cknife has burst of hammer + dot flamer its both combined in a faster package amigo

assuming a bleed uncanny setup

[ocean idol]

... no, it does not hav e even close to burst of hammer

[indigo totem]

im gonna save myself the brain cells, if you say so amigo

[ocean idol]

can't sav e what does not exist

[dire olive]

Knife is just duelling sword but worse

[tame lodge]

Burst
looks inside
Damage over time

[dry cloak]

Proper thammer build can take 50-80 percent of bosses health

[crimson wyvern]

Can someone give me the 2 shot helbore build and talent tree that isn't hop on one leg, do the hockey cockey and dance with a crusher 4 times for 3 seconds in order to 2 shot a crusher

or is it just that

[dry cloak]

2shot?

[crimson wyvern]

Allagedly 2 shotting the crusher with helbore is more cost efficient

because full charge is 3 shots

[dry cloak]

I mean you can change marskamn focus to focus target

But exe stance stays

[crimson wyvern]

So its Exe Stance and focus target?

[dry cloak]

You allwayd charge to max with helbore

[crimson wyvern]

huh

[dry cloak]

Especially with the tan one

[crimson wyvern]

Holy shit, any other veterans watching this chat, can we get some fact checks

[dry cloak]

And you nake a xrits build to be extremaly ammo efiicient

[crimson wyvern]

I could of sworn you were all against full charge helbore

[dry cloak]

No?

Im for a rework so it charges passively when you have it taken out

You do a crit build for helbore with exe stance

And then you can 2 shot crushers with full charge

[crimson wyvern]

alright fair enouhg!

[tough tiger]

What doed vet crit build need

[dry cloak]

Lasgun and shock trooper

Or you get revolver with surgical and handcannon

[tough tiger]

I'm talking the talent tree lol

[dry cloak]

Im not on my computer so i cant help right now

[tough tiger]

1000 felinids will pee on your house

[dire olive]

With helbore you just need surgical really

[odd sparrow]

Depends on gun

[dry cloak]

Yes

[odd sparrow]

Crit veteran is very vague

[dry cloak]

Yes

[patent rapids]

Infernus build?

Infinite crits with lazors

[tame lodge]

It's like one of those keyless Recon builds

[atomic wyvern]

Crit build this, infinite ammo build this

Boltgun and power sword go brrr

[tame lodge]

The pleasures of going through a mission shooting everything and not having to pick ammo

Rolled a good Ilas recently

Went into a mission with a Bolter vet and 2 trigger happy zealots

They were all orange/red

While I was happy on my lane, moisturized, lasgunning like no tomorrow

[heavy rover]

Agreed. Infinite ammo build is hilarious. I did a 39 havoc last night with a zealot spraying everything with a recon lasgun. Meanwhile I barely felt stressed about ammo thanks to the infantry lasgun (I run mk ii). I even offered ammo to them whenever I found some. And I was freely blasting away

I even committed the cardinal sin of shooting right into hordes

But mainly because there was a specialist / elite / shooter I was prioritizing

[winter grove]

Been trying to get that one 25th havoc level penance

But every time I try to join a 25+ havoc lobby I get rejected while having 20th level displayed

Do they expect some havoc 40 mf to come over and carry them or something

[light ridge]

I might try my 26 tonight if I get a zealot and a psyker I'm not overly concerned about the 4th spot

[light ridge]

Comparing MK3 Shovel vs mk XIIIg Chainsword, the stagger values aren't that different
Or am I missing something?

[fiery ledge]

Can someone confirm for me if the pennance that requires 2.5K kills with 10 stacks of the left keystone can be done with melee aswell?

[grand perch]

It can

[fiery ledge]

Thank fuck🤣

[grand perch]

If you don't have DETERMINATION

[balmy flume]

just get a recon lasgun, find a horde, aim at head level, and let her rip

[tame lodge]

You're missing the fact that stagger values are incorrect on that inspection thingy

[fiery ledge]

Oh i am🤣

[light ridge]

In that case ... bleh

I still seem to be able to stagger ragers with the XIIIg, so I'm still confused

[light ridge]

Add Camouflage to help build stacks when you're standing still but don't waste time on standing still on purpose

[tame lodge]

I mean
Xiiig and shovels have their ways of staggering ragers

Usually comes down to using your special

Because they are harder to stagger during their combos

[marsh shard]

Lol

[light ridge]

Understood

[marsh shard]

Gun = kills dude
Nade = blows up room of dudes

[light ridge]

Recon + Nade = no more horde

[marsh shard]

I'm loving Bolt Pistol, but am open to trying other guns

I mained psyker for a long while and didn't experiment much outside of staffs, and I played a solid chunk of zealot but always used revolver up until Bolt Pistol released

[light ridge]

Love Bolt Pistol too, very different weapon to the Recon
Bolt Pistol is more of a sniper, recon with the right build erases everything as long as you hold the trigger

[empty root]

Recon feels like a lazy gun

[light ridge]

I was a fan before they buffed it, now it's even easier

[marsh shard]

I want enough ammo to not pick up more throughout mission.

Just kill specials and random gunner mobs

I hear good things about recon, which mark and build is the go to?

[empty root]

How would you compare reovler and bistol

[marsh shard]

I'm biased af towards bistol

[tame lodge]

12 or 14

[empty root]

Like mechanically how would you articulate the difference

[tame lodge]

Crit build keystoneless

[empty root]

They seem very similar to me

[marsh shard]

I prefer more shots than better shots, and bistol has great break bps as is

[crisp oak]

Bistol has 8 bullets and is less ez to onetap shit with than the revolver

But goes boom

And on vet, makes your shredders stronger

[marsh shard]

Bistol has more reserves/shots total

But does less per shot

But enough to 1 shot most specials

And 2 tap the rest

[light ridge]

Something like this, though people may disagree with Focus Target

[marsh shard]

No

[empty root]

Wouldn't revolver synergies a bit better with weapon specialist free reload on swap

[marsh shard]

By build I meant blessings/perks

[empty root]

I used to love focus target, not so much anymore

I think it fundamentally goes against the proper usage of Mark target

[light ridge]

I run this

[marsh shard]

IMO revolver is better if you pick up ammo but you can go a whole game without picking up ammo with bistol

You get 108 shots with bistol

Its incredibly efficient

[light ridge]

I mark something, PUG wants to kill it, it dies faster, I (and maybe them) get Toughness and Stamina back

[marsh shard]

1 tap trappers, bombers, snipers

[crisp oak]

Yes

[marsh shard]

2 tap flamers and whatnot

Revolver has signif less reserves

[crisp oak]

Not quite, you ping a threat, then kill it. Thencping the next threat

[empty root]

The capstone begs you to spam it to keep damage buffs up, whereas marking should be saved for more critical targets

[crisp oak]

Misuse of pinging is when you keep swapping without killing

[empty root]

I guess if you always want a marked target for the team to focus on, it works

[crisp oak]

Like the damage buff is for you too

[empty root]

I use pings because I see a trapper moving in and I can't personally get it

Or a crusher sneaking up on a teammate

[crisp oak]

Then use it like that and it still works

[empty root]

I use it to get eyes on a target

[marsh shard]

Tbqh, I view focus target as the boss killer

[crisp oak]

Yup

[light ridge]

Bistol feels more reliable than revolver
Reload is fast, shooting shotgunners in the leg counts as a headshot
one shots most things without being fuzzy about the weakspot

[empty root]

I feel if you spam it diminishes that effect

[marsh shard]

Nothing else warrants focus target aside from bosses

[crisp oak]

Focus target lets me onetap crushers with my shovel without uncanny strikes stacks

[heavy rover]

I use focus target with target down so when I'm taking down other shooters and targets, I can then take down the focus target mark to regenerate stamina and keep Deadshot going

[light ridge]

It helps the PUG focus, they all want to kill the marked target
And makes bosses melt

[empty root]

Right

[heavy rover]

And also help regenerate the team stamina

[crisp oak]

People dont really care unless you bund your tag to left click

[empty root]

I guess it just depends on your opinion on the use case of marking

I use it very sparingly outside focus target vet

And with focus target vet I spam it

[heavy rover]

Yeah, I make sure I ping a new target only when the previous one is already taken down

That way I can build up stacks

[light ridge]

I think so
I like FT, if a tag something but I'm busy with the horde or stuck and can't kill it myself, the group can kill it and I still get my toughness and stamine

[crisp oak]

I use it to either get a bead on a far off target (sniper/gunner), or point out something that needs to die

[light ridge]

And it builds stacks fast

[crisp oak]

Typically bomber, trapper, gunners

Sometimes bulwarks

[wintry narwhal]

Probably a question that's been asked plenty, but: does field improv affect any crates your team uses? Or does it have to be dropped by the vet?

[hearty panther]

All crates

[wintry narwhal]

👍 ty

[hearty panther]

Only doesn't work if you're dead the moment that one is dropped

[wintry narwhal]

That's what I'd figured, just wanted to be certain

[hearty panther]

And dead means dead-dead, if you're awaiting rescue it'll work again

[empty root]

this is my current plasma gun stat spread. Assuming i didnt have the time or money to get a perfect roll, how could i at least improve it

how bad is having a stopping power below 80 to get a 70 charge rate

[pseudo fiber]

Bad

You can live with that

Your current one if you want

[empty root]

perfect is 70/70 charge/thermal resist right?

[pseudo fiber]

69 thermal 71 charge

[vital wren]

I'd just use your 60 charge rate one until you find one perfect or near-perfect.

[empty root]

is there a tolerance range or does it have to be that specific number

[vital wren]

Don't go below on thermal.

[grand perch]

@tired egret

[empty root]

71 thermal 69 charge we good right

[vital wren]

That one is better than the 60/80 one, sure. You're only "wasting" a potential 2% charge rate there.

[pseudo fiber]

Technically. It's 68 point something so 69 is the tolerance.

However stuff like 70/70, 71/69 you won't notice a huge difference

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/memes-gif-20927117

[pseudo fiber]

Upgrade that anyway stats may change

[empty root]

'

did i win?

[vital wren]

It's 3% off of perfect, so I'd go ahead and use it personally.

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah that's about what mine is

[calm shard]

it keeps up the passive damage boost if you have that active

that stays at max stacks as long as it doesn't expire

[empty root]

huh

[split lantern]

Yall

Taking a 500 revolver into malice matches cause I’m trying to level up my veteran is fucking fun

It’s nice one shot body shotting everything

[empty root]

auric pub with 3 other vets who clearly dont have any teamplay sense whatsoever

went about as well as it was expected

[unreal nova]

More, 1 tap ded reaper.

[loud belfry]

pub players are so bad i cant even believe it

[tall torrent]

DLSS4 is nice tho

[frank ether]

does it even work for older cards

[tall torrent]

It’s for all RTX GPUs

DLSS4 coming to all RTX GPUs
Nvidia reflex 2 coming to all RTX GPUs
Multi-frame-gen is exclusive to 50-series
Frame gen is exclusive to 40-series

[frank ether]

huh, thats neat

still doesnt excuse fatshark though

Idk whats multi frame gen

[tall torrent]

Frame gen but it produces up to 3 frames ahead to make the overall experience smoother and cut down the much-complained-about input lag

Or smth

Idk

[hollow ibex]

More generated frames should theoretically result in more input lag

[crisp oak]

This

[hollow ibex]

But we’ll see if nvidia found a way around that

[crisp oak]

Its faking smoothness

[loud belfry]

dlss4 being backwards compatible is so good

darktide will run slightly better for chads like me who use frame generation

dlss 4 is SUPER backwards compatible, apparently you can force it to work on games with older dlss or something

[hollow ibex]

Yeah if this works well, it’ll be big

Don’t need to wait for devs to update supported dlss version

At least in theory

[tall torrent]

Reflex 2 (frame warp tech)

[loud belfry]

reflex 2 is pretty cool too yeah

nvidia sweep, amd is done for

[tall torrent]

Reflex 2 is ~0.25x of the original latency compared to Reflex (~0.5x)

[hollow ibex]

Yeah we’ll have to see

Waiting for third party testing as always

[loud belfry]

digital foundry did some stuff

not with reflex 2 tho

[tall torrent]

my problem is still fatshark's optimization

Native (no FG) cap 72fps
Game runs at 40~50fps during horde with 1% lows reaching as low as 32

RTX3060 btw

[loud belfry]

it's cpu bound

most likely

[tall torrent]

It’s not

[loud belfry]

the gpu is at >90% usage?

[tall torrent]

CPU is going up to 51% utilization

[loud belfry]

what about the individual threads? are any at 100%?

[tall torrent]

I can’t view that in my overlay but

[loud belfry]

that's basically the way it is cpu bound

[tall torrent]

GPU has not actually hit 100% for me

[loud belfry]

single thread performance

[tall torrent]

Ever

[loud belfry]

mine only gets really high gpu usage when in the mourningstar

or when just starting a mission

but you said you limit your fps right? to 72

[tall torrent]

Highest GPU utilization I ever had was 98%

[loud belfry]

yeah that's pretty much max

[tall torrent]

But that’s mourningstar

[tall torrent]

AMD Ryzen 7 5800H

[loud belfry]

if you got a 9800x3d you'd get lots more fps for sure

[tall torrent]

This game is just running horrendously bad

[loud belfry]

and your gpu would be at way higher usage

[tall torrent]

I’m on laptop

[loud belfry]

yeah, evidently

[tall torrent]

No reason my device can’t hit 60 stable

[light ridge]

Someone here recommended a laptop cooler, made a world of difference for me

[tall torrent]

I am using one

Temps are fine for me

Performance isn’t

For some reason

this is like unacceptably low performance

[empty root]

I bought a brand new pc, 7800x3d and 4070 ti super and this game runs like crap

[loud belfry]

skill issue

[empty root]

Do I need to mess with the settings?

[loud belfry]

maybe a little bit, i use mods that reduce effects and shit a lot

also gotta turn on frame generation and dlss, might want to mess with the worker thread count

[hollow ibex]

I run it on a 4090 and 7800x3D and I was having issues with the second carnival mission when it first came out lol

[loud belfry]

the greatest mystery of life is "how many worker threads should darktide be set to use"

[tall torrent]

I’m using 6 now

[loud belfry]

yeah im gonna try 6, that's the number people say

all i know is that if you're single thread limited you have at least some chance of improving performance by:

overclocking your cpu
changing the game's affinity to be on threads that no other programs are using
closing all background processes

[tall torrent]

game still runs badly

[tall torrent]

it's literally only DT that runs badly

[crisp oak]

I use the sacred oils

And the incensce

[grand perch]

only DT gives me real nasty crashes requiring a complete reboot whenever a match starts or ends

[loud belfry]

darktide is one of the few games in the world where you have to fight this many enemies

and the consequence is that it is cpu limited

[grand perch]

its the fatshark high quality brand of crash

[tall torrent]

I was not having these problems like a month ago

[loud belfry]

i like to think that they can and will one day improve the cpu optimization though

[light ridge]

Performance took a hit with Havoc patch, I've also been experiencing audio issues in Hab Dreyko and Logistratum

Seems to happen on stairs to multiple levels

[loud belfry]

doesnt seem like 6 threads is helping at all, those 6 threads are just at 100% usage

and the game just seems to freeze for like 5 seconds now lol wtwf

[tall torrent]

How many threads were u using

[loud belfry]

16

[tall torrent]

I can go up to 14

[loud belfry]

i have 32 total

[tall torrent]

I think game defaulted me to 13

[loud belfry]

idk what you should use, i use 50% of my total (duh) so maybe you can use 8. or maybe 8-12

[ocean idol]

there are some stupid settings that really trank performance but don't add much

[loud belfry]

seems like you should just use as many as you can though

though after an amount your cpu will just be held back by the main 1-2 threads so it wont even matter

[faint beacon]

I’ve yet to experience these

I’ve only had out of memory crashes once in a blue moon and just hard crashes from friends joining me

[empty root]

my worker threads was set to 13, went down to 8

also turned on AMD FSR 3.1 and frame generation

[loud belfry]

why

didnt you say you have a 4070 ti super?

[empty root]

yea

[loud belfry]

dlss is better than fsr

objectively, im pretty sure

just cant be used by everyone. but that's why it's better

[empty root]

what about dlss super resolution setting

[loud belfry]

yeah you should just set that to whatever you want, probably quality at first

[empty root]

whats "automatic"

[loud belfry]

probably switches between levels based on some fps target...or something

i play on balanced and can barely tell it's on, though my graphics are at abysmal tier levels so

[empty root]

well i guess ill see if the worker count drop alone does anything then

[loud belfry]

i doubt it. you should look at your per thread cpu usage and increase the worker thread count until only 2 of them are locked at/very near 100%

[empty root]

why are the online advice to lower worker threads?

[loud belfry]

no idea, i just did it and was stuck at 100% usage for all 6 threads and it was holding back my fps

it might improve fps stability though

but when i just did it i still stuttered and even froze for like 5+ seconds 3 times

[empty root]

it was set to 13 (of 16 total) and I lowered it to 8

[orchid hemlock]

i upgraded my cpu and now I have 120 fps

[loud belfry]

i think a 7900x3d/9900x3d or 7950x3d/9950x3d etc might be the best for this game

though that's sorta obvious

[orchid hemlock]

I have a 5700x3D

but then again I had 1080p

but I dont think the resolution matters much anymore with DLSS

since it rescales everything anyways

but IG darktide uses a lot of cache, which explains why the 3D cpus are best with it

Time to upgrade your cpu @tall torrent 😔

[tall torrent]

Mine is Ryzen 7 5800H

[orchid hemlock]

I heard the H series are bad

Like I can't even find any benchmark comparisons

[tall torrent]

It’s been working fine

For the past 1+ years

For DT

[orchid hemlock]

What resolution?

[tall torrent]

1080p

I’m on medium/low graphics settings

[orchid hemlock]

u said around 60fps right?

[tall torrent]

DLSS performance

[tall torrent]

I capped 72fps
Game runs as low as 43fps in horde

Which is insane

[orchid hemlock]

I have a 2060 super, i played this game at around 80 fps with my 3600x

when I upgraded to the 5700x3D I spiked to 120-144

with DLSS balanced on

i dont even think this is a bottleneck, this game just needs a powerful cpu ig

what motherboard do u have?

[loud belfry]

he has a laptop

[orchid hemlock]

hmm

i assume its a B550 tho

system info doesn't tell u?

but ig it doesnt matter, the point is you have an AM4 platform right?

[tall torrent]

What

[orchid hemlock]

the chipset for the motherboard

am4 means 2000, 3000, and 5000 ryzen cpus

[tall torrent]

I’m on a laptop

[orchid hemlock]

yeah, laptops use motherboards too, they are just smaller

[steep prairie]

H series is just for laptop

i wouldn't say it is bad per se

[orchid hemlock]

too bad u can't upgrade tho, it prob is soldered

[steep prairie]

but it is weaker than the desktop version for sure

[orchid hemlock]

laptops also have lots of problems with cooling

[tall torrent]

I have cooling part handled

[orchid hemlock]

have u tried lowering the thread count?

[tall torrent]

I’ve tried every thread count

From 1 to 14

Doesn’t seem to change anything

Or all placebo

[loud belfry]

no way the game can run on 1 thread

not well anyway

[orchid hemlock]

do u have image scaling on?

the only other thing that might help is this mod: https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/406

[tall torrent]

should I have this on in addition to DLSS performance?

[orchid hemlock]

yes

[tall torrent]

u sure it improves performance?

what setting

I used to run it at 59% (lowest preset)

[orchid hemlock]

the same as me

the sharpness for me seems to be good at 30%

u can try to push for 918, but that is ussually for 1440p rigs

[tall torrent]

what preset do u use

[orchid hemlock]

for the game?

[tall torrent]

1477x831 I see

[loud belfry]

doubt it'll help if you're cpu bound

[orchid hemlock]

for render it is 831

sharpness at 30%

[orchid hemlock]

5800H i dont think is getting bottlenecked

im just trying to align my settings with his

see if something good happens

[tall torrent]

maybe

if I reduce enemy ragdoll to 1

that'll help?

[loud belfry]

why not

i am cpu bottlenecked on a 5900xt

which, believe it or not, is a cpu

[orchid hemlock]

is there a program that lets me test bottlenecks?

[loud belfry]

(amd has bad naming schemes)

look at all your threads and see if they're at 100%

at least 2 of them will probably be at 100%

especially when hordes happen

[orchid hemlock]

the old fashion way is to chekc your tast manager and look at the cpu percentage

[tall torrent]

how do I check

[loud belfry]

yeah but that isnt enough because it's down to the threads

[orchid hemlock]

u can use ryzen master

prob the easiest

just tab out in the psykanium and check how the cpu

[loud belfry]

or you can use msi afterburner or process lasso

the psykhanium actually runs really well. you kinda want to spawn a few dozen enemies

[orchid hemlock]

but like I said, I upgraded to a 5700x3D and it gave me 40 frames

[loud belfry]

though the mourningstar should actually be enough to show you that your cpu is maxxing out

[tall torrent]

not running game atm

[orchid hemlock]

i could just be because this game uses a lot of cache

[loud belfry]

yeah and if you upgraded to a 9900x3d you'd probably get more fps

all the way up til your gpu is the bottleneck

right click the graph and do logical processors

change graph to -> logical processors

[loud belfry]

yeah so now you want to go into mourningstar and run around, look out the big window to get max fps, and see what the threads are doing without alt tabbing

or i guess if you need to alt tab you can just let it sit for a couple dozen seconds and then look at the graph's history.

[tall torrent]

how many worker threads should I have for the game tho

highest I can choose is 14

[loud belfry]

i guess you want to just max it out

the only reason you wouldnt want to max it out is if the game is fucked up

[sinful swallow]

I match it to physical cores on my CPU (8 in my case)

I've also seen recommended physical -1

[orchid hemlock]

wait, just a sanity check, can I also see the memory tab in your task manager?

[tall torrent]

then it's 8 for me

[orchid hemlock]

no u, path

[loud belfry]

i dont think anyone really knows about the worker thread concept

like what is best or not

i dont know about anyone doing formal tests with many different cpus

[orchid hemlock]

what ram do u have?

[tall torrent]

16gb RAM

[orchid hemlock]

i know it says 16gb, but I want to know what the speed, because what u see on the tast manager could be a default speed that u forgot to turn on in bios

[loud belfry]

nah it says he has 3200 MT/s

[orchid hemlock]

i think it is correct tho

[loud belfry]

he's fine

[orchid hemlock]

because if you have a DDR4 3200, then it should be 3200

[tall torrent]

I think it's just game having botched optimization

[loud belfry]

i think ultimately it does come down to the game being limited by the strongest handful of threads you've got

[tall torrent]

I'll check that later

[orchid hemlock]

i would put the threadcount to 10

[tall torrent]

need to go get grocery now

[tall torrent]

I'm going 8

[loud belfry]

i put my worker threads to 18 :))

[tall torrent]

my cpu has 8 cores

[orchid hemlock]

i put mine to 10

i also have 8 cores

[tall torrent]

so what should I set mine to lol

[orchid hemlock]

i dont think it matters for fps tbh

[loud belfry]

i dont think anyone knows the true answer

[orchid hemlock]

its more for preventing crashing

have u tried lowering everything in settings to the minimum?

[loud belfry]

you should put it to as high as you can but if you put it high enough then other programs will take up thread power

8 cores isnt a whole lot of free threads to work with

[tall torrent]

I only have steam and discord open when gaming

maybe edge but that's it

[orchid hemlock]

time to get a new desktop path 😔

[tall torrent]

fund me then

[orchid hemlock]

it's kinda crazy this is the minimum for a future proof rig atm:

this isn't even including, the cpu/gpu/monitor

[crisp oak]

What are yku running that had an 8 thread max?

[grand perch]

will write guide for $$$

[loud belfry]

he can do 14

[crisp oak]

Ah

Try using a tesla card for gaming

that would be funny tbh

[sleek garden]

Do you really need ddr5 for future proofing

I have ddr4 still

[tall torrent]

highest I can go is 14 but idk if that actually improves anything

[sleek garden]

New memory and mobos with ddr5 are expensive

[orchid hemlock]

u need a ddr5 for an AM5 motherboard

[loud belfry]

new ram is just better so it helps

[sleek garden]

I have am4 right now

I see

[loud belfry]

ram is mostly for 1% lows

[crisp oak]

Is the cpu the bottleneck?

[orchid hemlock]

the problem is if u get an AM4 motherboard, u cant upgrade

[loud belfry]

which are very important actually

[tall torrent]

most likely not

there's actually nothing going wrong on my end

[orchid hemlock]

like yes, if u bought an AM4 a long time ago, dont replace it until around 2027 when AM6 comes out

[loud belfry]

cpu is almost certainly the bottleneck :)

[orchid hemlock]

but for a brand new computer u should get an AM5

[tall torrent]

for 60fps? nah

[loud belfry]

you only have a 5700h

[sleek garden]

My last upgrade before I moved was a new case and mobo, if I upgraded to ddr5 I'd have to get new memory too and 32 gig of ddr5 and am5 mobos is like 1k without anything else

[tall torrent]

I've also not had this problem a month ago

[orchid hemlock]

when did u last upgrade?

[tall torrent]

not for over a year actually

it's very recent

[sleek garden]

June 2024 I got a b550 tomahawk

And the weakest version of the rtx 3070

[orchid hemlock]

oof

[crisp oak]

Tried resetting game settings?

[orchid hemlock]

did u get it brand new or used?

[sleek garden]

Did you know they made a 6 gig vram rtx 3070

[tall torrent]

been there done that

[crisp oak]

Full reinstall and crap

[tall torrent]

yea, been there done that

[faint beacon]

Unironically think it’s just Darktide optimization

[crisp oak]

Hmm

[tall torrent]

it's actually just the game lol

[orchid hemlock]

game is just shit

[crisp oak]

I mean probably, game has some memory leakage

[orchid hemlock]

lets start a gofundme for path everyone 😔

[faint beacon]

Didnt stop a balanced team from doing a really fucking good H40 though 🚬

[crisp oak]

Im typically getting ~140 fps with what is basically a top of the line

(Except cpu which is a 14700k)

[faint beacon]

That shit is just gonna remain in my head cause for the life of me I’ve been convinced Ogryn was meh till that match lmao

[crisp oak]

And even I get some crashes after long play sessions

[tall torrent]

I don't get crashes basically ever

[sleek garden]

Biggest upgrade I saw in Darktide was when I upgraded my CPU and improved airflow (took the side off of my PC and set a small fan blowing on it)

Game makes my PC run hot

And is very cpu intensive

[orchid hemlock]

infinite CC + soften em up +15% damage, +80% damage increase from skullcrusher, +picking everyone up and objective control, +turns half of the shooters into melee

[crisp oak]

Dont think Im getting better than a 14700k without swapping mobos

[sleek garden]

I wonder what the issue is then

[crisp oak]

Nothing

Just saying there is a memory leak

Where after long playsessions, game crashes

[orchid hemlock]

this shit in havoc is actually insane:

[crisp oak]

Due to some address assignment fuckup

[sleek garden]

I used to have this when the game came out but it's gone now

[faint beacon]

Immediately charging towards the horde on the psyker when they get swarmed + stalling for CD + carapace agro

[crisp oak]

Its happened to me like twice in the past 3 months

[tall torrent]

even if cpu is the bottleneck for 60fps for some reason

game still stutters horrendously with 40fps cap and frame gen on (which is all GPU) and I do not believe my cpu is bottlenecked so hard it can't handle 40 native fps

[sleek garden]

I used no pushover before and this definitely better than old no pushover

[faint beacon]

Ogryn is just built different

[crisp oak]

Might also have been because of my vms in the background

[sleek garden]

Ogryn in havoc is unbelievably slept on

No pushover immediately opens up packs of bulwarks

[faint beacon]

Unironically convinced a Balanced team is meta as fuck

[sleek garden]

Shield has tons of stamina for push

Feel no pain doesn't get idiot whiners on the mic screaming at me

[orchid hemlock]

me whenever no pushover is off cooldown:

[faint beacon]

That match went way too smooth outside of the two hiccups me and Orcka caused on path

[sleek garden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1197682838082957343/1309039866813616188/image0.gif

[faint beacon]

We blinded him into overheads

Aka instant deaths lmao

[tall torrent]

Orcka led an overhead into me

and u blinded me with white flame 9000

[sleek garden]

Someone did this to me and ended the game

[orchid hemlock]

im sorry 😭

i didn't mean to

[faint beacon]

You will love the 500 flame particles on your screen path

[tall torrent]

it's fine I'm just washed

[sleek garden]

zealot didn't dodge the overhead properly and took me out while I was rezzing someone

[tall torrent]

[orchid hemlock]

this is also goated on havoc:

[faint beacon]

It’s funny cause it happened twice LMAO

[sleek garden]

how

[tall torrent]

this is a good talent in general but it costs 2 points to grab

[orchid hemlock]

it counters fading light when using a heavy stubber

[faint beacon]

ANY regen on the fly

Helps

Holy shit

[orchid hemlock]

because it stops the debuff of the replenishment on it

[faint beacon]

Quell toughness regen is insanely goated for Psyker

On havoc

[sleek garden]

but their damage still hits full when through shields doesn't it

[tall torrent]

any in-combat toughness gain that doesn't depend on kills is op

[orchid hemlock]

emporers fading light makes it so that u cant regenrate coheriency when u are being shot at

[tall torrent]

unfortunately veteran doesn't get any besides using ult

[remote sonnet]

This works with toughness regen speed on curio.

It is quite strong.

[orchid hemlock]

yes, it also stacks with all of the other regen buffs ogryn has

[faint beacon]

That’s why Psyker and Ogryn are noticeable more able to get away with extending for a second or two

[sleek garden]

I might surgically make my veteran smaller so I can actually use the cover in the game lol

[tall torrent]

no

[sleek garden]

So I can crouch behind stacked crates and peek over to shoot

My guy is too big for cover just barely

[tall torrent]

does not interact with coherency toughness regen mechanics whatsoever

that talent is exclusively toughness gain

[sleek garden]

Perhaps it stacks with ogryn stay close

[tall torrent]

it is not 5%/s

it's 13%/s

[tall torrent]

nah

[orchid hemlock]

it doesn't stack with coherency, but it stacks with lynchpin and FNP stacks

[tall torrent]

no

doesn't stack with anything

[sleek garden]

lynchpin only works on the ogryn himself

Doesn't it

[calm shard]

ogryn has all those nodes pretending to be broad toughness replenishment

[tall torrent]

lynchpin is coherency toughness regen

[sleek garden]

I take it either way

[calm shard]

and every single one of the fuckers is coherency toughness

it's so annoying

[orchid hemlock]

wait it doesn't?

[sleek garden]

But when you have them it regens so fast

[orchid hemlock]

fatshark description challenge

[tall torrent]

FNP is also coherency

[tall torrent]

no

[calm shard]

you know what else regens it fast

smacking a heretic upside the head

[sleek garden]

literally walk out of the line of fire and you regen all your toughness in 3 seconds if you have a teammate nearby

[sleek garden]

This is hard when you are fighting down the alleys in the sump

Or whatever that area is called

at least one part of it is the sump

[fallen badger]

I’m asking for help once again. Later I’ll be on. Trying to ask for help with make every shot count penance.

[remote sonnet]

Double barrel shotgun

[fallen badger]

I need a team or Al least some ppl that won’t steal my kills

[remote sonnet]

You just need to hit.

[fallen badger]

Bc my aim sucks tbh and the boss rush levels are different now ppl just want to do need things like collect books like nerds

[remote sonnet]

That's why I recommend the double barrels shotgun.

[fallen badger]

So anyone with a mic hmu we can get it done easy I’m done trying with randoms with no mic

By the time I’m half way through the level I’m out of ammo before the boss hits and can’t get out of coherency when we do

So I run bolter

[sleek garden]

Revolver

[fallen badger]

If I had a dedicated team it would be ex with double barrel

Ex

Either or ex with a team with mics

Ez

I can run bolt pistol and do it it dosent matter I just need ppl with mics and know what they are doing. Dm me idc

[crisp oak]

My guy

Go to the lfg channels

The make a shot count only counts your accuracy

Just dont run survivalist

And you will be good

[fallen badger]

Lfg?

Oh a open box channel lmao

Vox

Word didn’t see tht thx

[remote sonnet]

Use melee

[crisp oak]

No problem good luck

I personally would reccomend plasma for that penance

[fallen badger]

My chain sword is maxed out no prob there just need some ppl with mics so we can call/claim targets. Ez that way. Done this before.

I suuuucckk with plaz im always exploding lmao Idc it’s fun but idk how to play that thing it’s so slow too

[faint beacon]

If it’s every shot just use revolver or shotgun

Seeing only a pellet has to hit to count as a hit

Also don’t run Surv

[fallen badger]

Yeah almost had it with the shotty but I was in another veterans coherency last moment I told them ahead of time too

[orchid hemlock]

U know how I get it?

[fallen badger]

I tell other vets like dude I’m trying to do this penance lmk if you run serv and I will drop out and they have no idea wtf I’m taking about freaking casuals

[orchid hemlock]

When I see a boss I just magdump it

[fallen badger]

That’s the best way tbh but not when ppl are dumb and don’t listen

Pistol has maxing mag dump capability

Bolter is nice mag dump too since the full auto hip fire, run high reload speeds

[remote sonnet]

The ammo aura doesn't count for it.

[terse idol]

Bolter with high reload speed?

[final charm]

or just weapon specialist, cause who needs reloads?

[past oriole]

[regal bramble]

My vet looks sick as shiiii

Question what’s the best primary and secondary for vet?

[empty root]

Dueling sword and plasma gun

[pseudo fiber]

Hadron switch the stats

https://tenor.com/view/picklejuicelover69-gif-1483426411005875907

[tame lodge]

Rashad Combat Axe

Then whatever

Plasma

Revolver

Recon

Bolter

Well I guess if you build for Rashad you won't have points for some weapons

Hmmm

[heavy rover]

depends on the build

[unreal nova]

Knoife is good too, depends on build though.

[past oriole]

omnissiah if you can hear us please save me im asking you

[wanton dawn]

powersword and dual sword require less talent investment than rashad to get going

[past oriole]

please get these terrible dump stats away from me

[wanton dawn]

I don't think i'd play rashad outside of right side build

But when you get those bp oh boy

[heavy rover]

i play rashad without any investment on the right tree

[hollow ibex]

[heavy rover]

with full stacks of focus target, bring it down, and superiority complex, why worry about attack speed when more damage

and also occassionally chucking a shredder at my feet to stagger everything around me

[wanton dawn]

cuz the loss of 15% base damage means your are missing on horde breakpoint

[heavy rover]

yeah that's a fair point

[wanton dawn]

I am having fun with bolter exe stance mf focus

Everything seems to die in one shot

[pastel yew]

do you need mf if you have exec stance tho?

dont you one shot everythin already

or is for penance

[wanton dawn]

Does I need to ? Idk. Is it fun ? Yes. Does it allow me to kill stuff faster ? also yes

[pastel yew]

I guess it'll increase your boss damage? though I have no idea what the modifier for it is and cba to do the math

at least for most normal enemies I think exec stance just lets you one shot without

[wanton dawn]

Also not taking auto weapon for mf penance is dumb

[wanton dawn]

Mark would do better

on boss

I can reach OS potential on most suff with body shot

[tall torrent]

is there anything particularly wrong here

[light ridge]

Reactivate mods for the first time since last patch
Out of memory error
In that case...

[orchid hemlock]

Path needs a new PC everyone 😔

Lets all pitch in

[formal ice]

Who is Path?

[formal ice]

Oh

I see

You are playing darktide 2016

[civic knot]

This guy

[eager zealot]

Path seems like a neat guy

[orchid hemlock]

D A R K

tide

🤯

[hardy frigate]

What is the best way to play markmans focus?

[formal ice]

Marksmans focus?

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Guy with fast fire and shoot at horde

You gain max stack

[tame lodge]

Hit head and move

[remote sonnet]

Right in time for the 5090.

[heavy rover]

Gotta make that AI generated money for them AI generated frames

[tall torrent]

After like another hour of troubleshooting
I think the issue is CPU thermal throttle when too many things spawn at once
Except, that’s not been a thing until very recently
And I have a cooling pad right below laptop

[orchid hemlock]

laptops in general will always have ass cooling 😔

put it in the fridge

[crude fiber]

Start a go fund me ill donate a dollar

[tall torrent]

Cooling pad is helping a lot tho

[crude fiber]

Get a walk in freezer, play in there. Use the laptop for warmth

[faint beacon]

Path when are you upgrading to a tower

[tall torrent]

What’s a tower

[hollow ibex]

An actual PC

[tall torrent]

Oh prob 5~6 years from now

[faint beacon]

I kid you not I just kept putting money aside

And went from a decade old laptop to a tower

Haven’t regret that purchase since

[tall torrent]

Yea the hard part for me is to get the money in the first place

And laptop is more useful to me atm for portability

[hollow ibex]

It’s such a huge upgrade

Actually insane

Laptops are so gimped

But yeah I was stuck on laptops for a very long time

Dark times

[marsh shard]

How much do towers run these days?

[hollow ibex]

Depends on a lot of things

Ie parts you use, and whether you’re building your own PC

[marsh shard]

I was a pc gamer for the longest time but swapped over to ps5, plan I going back to pc. But I've been on the move so don't want to be carrying a tower around. Sometime later this year though I should be back into it

I built a couple through newegg/tiger in the past

When it came time to upgrade my last one I was like "jeez, gpu costs as much as a ps5. May as well just pick up a ps5 and hold off"

Prices spiked for a while due to bit mining

... oh wow. A 4060 is only ~$300 nowadays

[tall torrent]

5070 is $550 plus scalpers’ extra fees ig

[remote sonnet]

Because 4060 is meh.

[hollow ibex]

Yeah it’s pretty bad value

[terse idol]

iussue being ps5 no games

😌

[remote sonnet]

Also depending on the version of 4060, they have different in quality.

[hollow ibex]

Better off going AMD if money is a concern imo

Maybe even Intel for GPU 🤔

[loud belfry]

eh the 5070 aint badly priced

guess we'll see how amd prices their new stuff

[remote sonnet]

Rx7700XT will probably last you longer than the 4060.

[remote sonnet]

Never trust the MSRP

[loud belfry]

it's all we've got to go by, really

cuz otherwise it's just "it's infinity dollars cuz scalpers"

[hollow ibex]

And the 5070ti potentially eating 5080s lunch lol

[loud belfry]

and technically the scalper prices are somewhat related to the msrp

[remote sonnet]

Even from retailers, when was MSRP ever accurate until near the end of the production cycle?

[loud belfry]

a frugal gamer would wait for the 5080 super or something

[hollow ibex]

If you want a premium and overpriced product, go nvidia. Otherwise go AMD

[loud belfry]

when you prayed really hard and bought a card

[remote sonnet]

Maybe raytracing, but even then.

[loud belfry]

DLSS is better than FSR

DLSS4 is better than DLSS

[hollow ibex]

Yeah but how much more are you paying for it

[loud belfry]

if you get a 5070 for $550 dollars then it aint much

[hollow ibex]

Idk 550 is a lot to me

[loud belfry]

yeah, that's true. gpu prices are messed up

i wish gpu prices were like CPU prices

the best CPU that is relevant to our lives is like 800 dollars

[orchid hemlock]

this is about how much it costs to start a build that is future proof: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CVqxgn

[marsh shard]

This is what I mainly look at. Price vs performance

[orchid hemlock]

[loud belfry]

it's titan rtx time

[marsh shard]

I'd prob go 4070 super or 4070ti

[silk bobcat]

It does have the biggest bar

And it’s green which means go

[tall torrent]

Nvidia won the war for GPUs and we’re just living in the consequences of that

[loud belfry]

yeah it's so ogre for AMD

[orchid hemlock]

when do the preorders open up for the 5000 cards?

[marsh shard]

But then I look at this graph

[hollow ibex]

Honestly most gamers don’t even need nvidia gpus

[loud belfry]

i feel good for having the 4070 ti

[unreal nova]

How? When I got my 3060 ti, it was already $1.6k~

[hollow ibex]

But they’ve proven themselves willing to be repeatedly fleeced

[loud belfry]

what the fuck

[hollow ibex]

So here we are

[hollow ibex]

Actually got scammed bro

[loud belfry]

life in singapore is hard, i am sorry

[hollow ibex]

Jfc

[odd summit]

Interesting artstyle that runs at 144 fps >>>>>>>> realistic artstyle that runs at 60

[unreal nova]

SGD, and it was an MSI so not super great.

[hollow ibex]

That’s msrp for a 4090

[loud belfry]

yeah that's like 4+x its price

[tall torrent]

Photorealism is one of the worst things to happen to gaming

[loud belfry]

oh singapore dollar

[hollow ibex]

Oh what’s that in USD

[loud belfry]

why did you do this to me

[marsh shard]

So when I look at the overall performance charts and then compare it to the price/fps chart, my decision is made easy.

If I were to build a pc and want to be efficient, 4070 super is the way to go right now.

[unreal nova]

It was during COVID.

[loud belfry]

$1.2k

usd

wtf still

1,169.54

[hollow ibex]

Brutal

[marsh shard]

COVID and bit mining cranked up gpu prices

[odd summit]

"Just buy a better pc" how about I KILL YOU instead?!

[loud belfry]

i bought like 4 3080s

all at msrp

and sold them all except one to friends or some random guy on discord for a low price (slightly above msrp)

[unreal nova]

You take it or you beg for a 2060 refurb and see if MSI will do it or not.

[remote sonnet]

The performance/$ is a dynamic thing, which I don't think using a chart like that tell the whole story without details.

[silk bobcat]

Very based

[unreal nova]

Barring buying online, is what you get offline. I can't buy online though.

[marsh shard]

Oh for sure, at that point you should be looking at the games you play and see how they perform via benchmark test comparisons from gpu to gpu

[loud belfry]

it's epic that darktide will actually just run and look better when they release dlss 4

you should just buy based on how much power level you want

and that should be related to your budget and care for the hobby (though this isnt to say you should be buying totally inefficiently priced options)

[remote sonnet]

3070 for a while had better value than the 4060, but it never stayed the same. Also, if you are on the budget, I think you would want something that allow you to skip a 1 or 2 generations.

[hollow ibex]

Isn’t FSR getting a new version too?

[hollow ibex]

Yeah definitely with skipping generations

[unreal nova]

To be fair, it's fine when my monitor is just 1929x1080 @ 144hz.

Cos anything better is $500+ for a new monitor.

[loud belfry]

that's so crazy

but you're using singapore dollars

[remote sonnet]

My Rx580 outlived my buddy 1060 6Gb for a year, nearly reached 2 generations.

[loud belfry]

you can get some 1440p144hz displays these days for like 300 usd i think

[tall torrent]

FSR4
Dw it’ll still be worse than DLSS4 lol

[remote sonnet]

Some people used GTX980 up to RTX 40xx just fine.

[loud belfry]

FSR4 which isnt backwards compatible with anything. not even the 7000 series

[unreal nova]

Is still around usd 380.

[hollow ibex]

It will be, that’s why AMD stuff is cheaper

[unreal nova]

Was like 1.3? IDK rates.

[remote sonnet]

Intel GPU is definitely a good mid tier option.

[loud belfry]

why are prices so high? import fees? taxes?

[hollow ibex]

I think the top one is a 4060 competitor

While being much cheaper at msrp

[loud belfry]

i could go buy a 1440p144hz monitor on amazon for $200 usd i bet

[hollow ibex]

Not bad

[unreal nova]

No clue, electronics have always been ex tbh.

[empty root]

Didn't crptyo mining and covid ruin gpu prices?

[unreal nova]

And getting support for parts here is masochism.

Headphones? Buy spares from UK or out of luck.

[queen fox]

high-end chipmaking used to be for 3-ish markets, research/military, educational/professional, and gaming/enthusiast. Nowadays there are also the major crypto mining and AI training markets to deal with, without a substantial increase in production capacity over the last 10 years.

[loud belfry]

i think prices of everything have been inflated for some reason

[queen fox]

the price of high-end silicone has generally gone up

[loud belfry]

i meant where she lives in particular, in singapore

[empty root]

It's the currency inflation due to covid19 money printing

[loud belfry]

[unreal nova]

Yep.

[hollow ibex]

Supply chain getting fucked

Covid

[unreal nova]

Food is now $8.

[hollow ibex]

Inflation

Crypto

Bunch of shit

[empty root]

Gpu demand skyrocketed due to mining, and supply was cut due to lockdowns

[unreal nova]

Just bowl of noodles.

[empty root]

Add inflation and you have the gpu prices of today

[unreal nova]

Cos govt is throwing out money.

Everyone increasing prices.

[hollow ibex]

Where I live is double that in USD

[unreal nova]

It's cheap if you get a meal for $5.50.

[empty root]

And what exactly is "food"

[queen fox]

it skyrocketed again because of AI training

the crypto miners have mostly moved on to ASICs

[unreal nova]

Rice+meat+veggies.

[hollow ibex]

I might be part of the problem

[empty root]

Food prices also vary on location

[unreal nova]

Vs a 'min' wage of $800-$1200 a month?

[queen fox]

abominable intelligence

[hollow ibex]

Obviously not but still very bad for cost of living

[unreal nova]

Why I say this, SG good to live in if you rich. You only see the rich though.

Why else do ppl retire to the neighbouring countries even if less safe?

[queen fox]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/981131040359850035/1326622431712116847/123.mp4?ex=678018eb&is=677ec76b&hm=804b2e7548847b12d5d8783b967a28f72da6604abcb6a8f46990f186c704fcb5&

[loud belfry]

"what do you think chat"

[unreal nova]

I question how do elderly survive on the $100 a month payout when time comes.

[marsh shard]

Yeah crypto and covid really cranked up gpu prices

Its come down a lot tho

[unreal nova]

Btw, my gpu is cheap cos it had the anti-crypto thing.

[marsh shard]

Thats what led to me temporarily switching to console

[queen fox]

yeah they aren't as crazy as they were but also not as cheap as they were before then

[unreal nova]

Those without are way more ex.

"Cheap"

[queen fox]

i got two gtx 1070TI for 350$, a month after they released

the founders edition, mfgd by nvidia

[remote sonnet]

Just marry a rich guy and you are set for life in Asia.

[unreal nova]

...

[remote sonnet]

Considering how thirst the Asian men are.

[marsh shard]

My issue isn't the price, its the value. If that makes sense.

PS2 was the last console to be released that beat out the high-end gaming pcs in performance, after that you could actually build a pc that was both cheaper and higher performance than a console.

Nowadays, with price of gpus, when I look at $ vs performance (value) its much closer comparing say a PS5 Pro to a built pc of similar value

[loud belfry]

the 8800 gtx was $600 at launch, nov 2006.

that'd be $939 today. in theory the 5080 isnt really that much more expensive than that. hmmm

[marsh shard]

The top of the line stuff has always been overpriced

[queen fox]

what about the 60 and 70 series cards

[marsh shard]

But there are great cards you can get that perform better than consoles that are very fairly priced

[queen fox]

not 600 and 700, _60 and _70

[marsh shard]

Yeah, like 4060 and 4070. I get it

[loud belfry]

the fabled and legendary 8800 gt, a value goat, in october of 2007, was $350 usd.

$528 usd today

[queen fox]

inflation doesnt fucking matter because wages haven't risen to match

purchasing power parity is different between the two times, technically

[marsh shard]

As far as benchmarks go and $$$ paid, I've always been a fan of the -70 series

[unreal nova]

You mean the reason why I rather date women?

[marsh shard]

Look at the 4070s and 4070 pricing

And average bench

[loud belfry]

that is true but i think it matters when you are thinking "what should a 5070 be priced" for example

[pseudo fiber]

I'm probably gonna pick up a 3080 ti from a friend soon

they're still sweet

[orchid hemlock]

Ew is that userbenchmarks? 🤮

[unreal nova]

This basically. You make too little to compensate for insane inflation.

[marsh shard]

I mainly have that listed for pricing.

I have better performance data above

[unreal nova]

So you go from eating okay to near expired instant ramen every day.

[marsh shard]

At the end of the day, you can pick up a 4070/4070s and it'll handle anything for $400-600

[remote sonnet]

Never use Userbenchmark, EVER!

[loud belfry]

user benchmark is good to compare within brands

which makes its usefulness questionable

[marsh shard]

Not using the user bench

[remote sonnet]

Even then, it is still stupid.

[loud belfry]

that's what amd wants you to think

nah you right

userbenchmark is cringe

[marsh shard]

Well

[loud belfry]

(i use it anyway)

[marsh shard]

You can pick up a 4070 right now on newegg for 499

4070super is listed at 899

[burnt vortex]

From what I've seen, it's only really a concern if you REALLY want 4k res

[marsh shard]

The super is better performance, dont believe its $400 better performance

Basically, I'd use that $499 for a 4070 as a baseline. Compare cards in the same price range

[burnt vortex]

1080p or 1440 can be done with lower end.