veteran-class

[marsh shard]

Savage Sweep + Rampage

[pastel yew]

shred + rampage for me, care less about the horde clear than the elite damage

since its horde clear is

just good anyway

[marsh shard]

Well wait

Doesnt the parry reset shred?

[pastel yew]

no idea, but I'm not using parry unless there are ragers really

or its gonna one shot something

[marsh shard]

Do you use Mk4?

[pastel yew]

mhm

or did

havent used it since zealot nerfs

never used on vet really

vet has a lot more interesting weapons imo

[hearty panther]

it doesnt reset shred but it can expire while you wait to parry off

[marsh shard]

You use parry to ani cancel

To spam h1

[pastel yew]

I'm glad they fixed the parry bug though

where if you parried the rager you'd just get hit

because you only parry hit 1... and not the second hit the attack has for some reason

[pastel yew]

is that.. faster?

[hearty panther]

oh yea that wasnt really a dclaw bug but just how ragers were made lol

[pastel yew]

I mean it's like.. unintended behaviour

the intention at least is that it should be parried and it got fixed thank god

[hearty panther]

their anims are all one swing of each axe and so they actually differentiated them

[pastel yew]

but yeah having to block then insta parry was silly

[hearty panther]

now its just clumped into one hit

[marsh shard]

H1 -> parry ani cancel -> H1 cancels the ani of the parry

[hearty panther]

you could still parry them down back then

[marsh shard]

Loop

[hearty panther]

it was uh, just not easy

[marsh shard]

Mk4 can just spam overheads

[pastel yew]

I didnt realise the parry animation was cancelled by heavy attacks ngl

kinda cool

[pastel yew]

yee like I said

block parry

though you do burn stam for it

either way melee cant carapace = zealot tier for me

see no reason to use em on vet

[craggy relic]

question for boltor

for havoc specifically

should I be using pinning fire or bleed?

[remote sonnet]

Depend on what you want to do. I personally go with bleed because I can shoot and forget on some targets.

[craggy relic]

I like killing elites a lot

however I always feel once I get pinning fire going it stops due to the mag

should I?

[remote sonnet]

You don't have to go full auto with it.

[long condor]

best mk for dueling sword

?

[narrow frost]

4

[craggy relic]

which does more dps I guess

[long condor]

okay

[tame lodge]

Mk2

[pastel yew]

4 is definitely better

mark2 is second heavy thrust right?

meaning your elite killing is always sorta off n weird

[unreal nova]

4 is OP in general. 2 is best for hordes of the 3, but meh. 5 is FUN, you'll know if you dump mobility over def. HEH.

[tame lodge]

Talking about how the mk4 is better but doesn't really know about the other marks

Smh

[pastel yew]

I mean am I incorrect?

[remote sonnet]

The combo for the mk2 is L1 L2 then it goes to H2, right?

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[pastel yew]

are the mk2 heavies all thrusts?

[unreal nova]

Well, I know 5 is best for acting like knoife at dodging off Gloriana.

[craggy relic]

so...

sorry to pull this back to boltor talk-

what does mroe dps-

bleed or pinninng fire?

[remote sonnet]

I don't have the number on hand. Though, if you want high DPS, you can run both.

[pastel yew]

I think you want bleed for havoc

though I'm not sure entirely

bleed n exec stance

[willow spruce]

I'm setting up my builds up again, can someone recommend some double barreled shotgun build?

Preferably running the chainaxe

For the max memery bs

[remote sonnet]

What your other blessing before those 2?

[craggy relic]

the armor break one

[remote sonnet]

Shattering impact

I go with that and bleed to full auto on bosses.

I think puncture and pinning fire is better are sniping.

[craggy relic]

got it

thank you

[remote sonnet]

Bleed needs multiple stack to do high damage, but for most non boss, they die after 2-3 shot, maybe 4 if they has pus skin.

[tame lodge]

H1 Special for single target
Light heavy loop for hordes

[pastel yew]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9de237c2-c77b-45f2-aa6b-afe63cd10570

idk something like this

except

not that version of the chainaxe

for whatever reason the mk12 isnt on gameslantern

orrrrrr maybe I'm just blind -_-

found it

[tame lodge]

Mk2 is quite literally the mk4 but with a decent horde clear

[craggy relic]

question

[pastel yew]

what's it's heavy chain

because I dont think thats true

[craggy relic]

does rending do anything against pus hardened

[pastel yew]

good question, I actually dont know

[craggy relic]

hmmm

[pastel yew]

instinctively I want to say

no

because pushardened is a condition

rather than a damage type

[tame lodge]

[remote sonnet]

Thanks. I forget that armour weight changes the attack pattern as well.

[tall torrent]

L1 > [H2 > L3]

[willow spruce]

thx a lot, I'll try it out! The shotgun looks too fun to not use it

[pastel yew]

im literally in the range testing it now

its h2

[remote sonnet]

Seem like H1 > L > H1 works quite well.

[pastel yew]

is dodgy

its not another thrust its a worse slash from up n left

idk my opinion here is the same as the combat blade, why make shit thing slightly less shit

when can focus on thing that good

even tough funnily enough most people would differ n say the mk6 combat blade is better

I will say though the attacks for the mk2 look fuckin cool

[pastel yew]

no problemo

[remote sonnet]

Start with H1 the light is the uppercut diagonal from the left.

[pastel yew]

just make sure to have ws active when in horde so you dont feel super sad

[pastel yew]

yeah h1 is a thrust, but then h2 is a slash

as opposed to the mk4 which is all thrusts

[tame lodge]

It's quite literally the mk4 but with a better horde clear

It has an answer for everything

[unreal nova]

Oh, to save you time, other reason why Mk4 is OP is cos it's super simple with guaranteed thrust attacks on heavy spam. You can no think, unga bunga crushers and the likes.

[pastel yew]

I suppose you can block cancel into h1 h1 h1

kinda dodgy tho

[tame lodge]

You can literally h1 Special

Were you reading

[pastel yew]

special gross

[remote sonnet]

H1 - L2 is quite fast

The H1 - L2 loop dps is decent in both single and multi target.

[pastel yew]

idk I still think mk4 feels more effective but mk2 has a way more interesting move set

[tame lodge]

Because Mk2 is better than the 4

Simple as

But whatever
Keep playing what makes you happy

[remote sonnet]

I run the Mk2 for a long time before it looks better...

[unreal nova]

Also, if you aren't in havoc and not lagging to ungodly lvls, spamming special and light will be inf quick thrusts that will basically annoy the shit out of that one rager trying to hit you on the mk4.

[remote sonnet]

This is before we can change the marks.

[pastel yew]

what makes me happy is neither of these weapons

[tame lodge]

Mk2 used to be bugged as well

😭

[pastel yew]

idk the mk4 is just a lot faster

since you dont have to special cancel

you give off elite ttk for better horde clear which I dont really care for tbh

like the mk4 is noticeably faster

just looking at the two

I suppose if you always special cancel with the 4 also then yeah, 5 straight better

[remote sonnet]

Mk2 is in between the 4 and 5. Really depending on how you play.

[unreal nova]

You can also technically spam it into a horde to clear it faster.

[pastel yew]

also gross you have me thinking

impure thoughts

"dueling sword mk2 might actually be interesting"

[tame lodge]

Because it's better

Simple as

[pastel yew]

more interesting =/= better

it's slower on it's heavies

[unreal nova]

At that point, 5 is better cos funny dodge distance.

[pastel yew]

it really comes down to how much you value the horde clear ig

how different is the dodge distance on the 5

[tame lodge]

It has single target and horde clear

But keep telling yourself that Mk4 is better

I don't mind

[pastel yew]

I agree that it has those things, but it's worse at single target and better at horde clear

its a trade off

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-chat-chat-big-chungus-gif-19739716

[pastel yew]

and I'm not taking a ds for horde clear

[unreal nova]

Some argue it's funnier than the knoife if you dump mobility for def. Some say even funnier if you dump something else to max those two.

As in, how likely of you to accidentally learn to fly off Gloriana without a barrel or a boomer.

[pastel yew]

real talk though whats the point of the mk5 heavies..

they're all over heads

[unreal nova]

I dunno.

The only reason to use it is to laugh at the dodge.

[remote sonnet]

Defense and Cleave are on the same stat slot I think, which I dump them and keep mobility.

[unreal nova]

Is funnier if you get all the dodge distance increase stuff.

[craggy relic]

question sorry

what's the best mark cobat axe for crowd clear?

or just weapons in general that arent the chainsword or power sword lol

[tame lodge]

Rashad mk3

Make sure to apply the Brutal Momentum blessing

Heavies for interrupting and damaging Carapace/Unyielding
Light for everything else

Or something along those lines

[austere mica]

It’s the true head empty weapon

[remote sonnet]

Dclaw and Heavy sword are both quite good for the job.

[unreal nova]

Requires more thinking.

[remote sonnet]

Dclaw is the funny "When in doubt, parry".

[unreal nova]

Compared to DS4 and Rashad.

I guess Dclaw is just spam special.

[remote sonnet]

See the crusher about to overhead you and you don't have room to dodge? Parry it.

[pastel yew]

I think a lot of strong weapons tend to have the least interesting move sets

[pastel pumice]

Parry heavies

[pastel yew]

because they just focus on the good thing

though a lot of weapons have really uninteresting move sets anyway

ds4 might literally be the worst for it

the only nice thing is that stabbing is funny and the movement is cracked

[serene bough]

Mk6 knife has a diverse enough moveset

[pastel yew]

yeah I still prefer mk3 though

[serene bough]

Ds4 is no diversity

Same w/ Rashad

[remote sonnet]

The shovel is also a decent weapon, but the move sets are meh.

[willow spruce]

Does the power maul make sense on vet?

[pastel yew]

I mean the ds has a useful special attack

and the rashad has a power attack

[pastel yew]

not used it but apparently its fine

I think its just sorta upper mid tier for everyone

[willow spruce]

Thinking of cosplaying an arbites with a power maul/plasma combo 😛

[pastel yew]

if only it came with a shield

[willow spruce]

Ok, I'll try to build for it, if the build is overall meta I guess it can take a hit in the form of a mid melee

Horde clear is fun on it

[remote sonnet]

I don't remember which mark, but one of them has vertical H1 that is quite good vs specialists.

[tame lodge]

The shock Maul?
It's a good low investment defense/offense weapon

However

There are better options

Darktide moment

[pastel yew]

imagine if we lived in a world where weapons had their strengths and trade offs instead of a world where trade offs dont matter or they just do everything

just take a do everything weapon

[tame lodge]

That's the Rashad lmao

[serene bough]

Tbf metas in almost every game are defined by its ability to deal with just about everything with minimal to no trade offs

Its no suprise that when weapons can deal with every threat very plainly they feel very 1 dimensional, imo

[willow spruce]

Tbh, I just really love the aesthethic

As long as the weapon isn't complete ass I will use it if I like it

But I don't have so many resources to invest into everything

So I like to ask before I idk invest into the autopistol thingy for instance, which afaik is just a worse autogun

[pastel yew]

even more offensive in the rashads case is how well it combines with the vets best keystone... fast swap, one light swing, fast swap back with guaranteed crit

[remote sonnet]

Many weapons work fine. I run Dclaw and sometimes shovel in Havoc 35+.

[pastel yew]

yeah I do think move set sorta plays into it though, I dont mind weapons that do everything if they have some neat gimick or thing to play around

dclaw sounds rough in havoc 35+

with double elite health

ngl

[serene bough]

I agree, but simpler movesets are usually more effective in beginner's hands

[pastel yew]

true

and often just stronger generally since... its just strong move > strong move > strong move

instead of breaking it up or cancelling

or having to attack to get past a weak hit in the chain

[willow spruce]

My Vermintide experience says, there are no bad weapons, just bad players. Although some weapons are more of a crutch than others

[pastel yew]

I mean it depends on what you mean by "bad"

I would say bad is anything generally lacking

doesnt mean unusable

[willow spruce]

Yeah, the crowbill in VT for instance can be a pain to use, the same way the fan the hammer revolver can be a pain

But if you build for it you can still carry your own weight

[remote sonnet]

I run Mk7 dclaw, it deals with elites better than mk4.

[pastel yew]

is that the one with the thrust parry

[remote sonnet]

You mean stab block? Yes.

[midnight totem]

Shredder autopistol and chainsword true solo

[remote sonnet]

Parrying the monstrosity and captain is funny as hell.

[willow spruce]

Ok, looking for assistance again, can I ask for a krieg build? Like shovel and helbore

[remote sonnet]

Helbore is usually surgical and armour bane. Though some run infernus, I don't find it effective.

[tame lodge]

It's Surgical and Weight of Fire

🤓

Because you see

Helbore doesn't really struggle with armor types

However

Not a lot of tertiary blessing for the mk5

So it uses hotshot or armorbane

[remote sonnet]

The quick charge one. I don't remember the mark.

[tame lodge]

You that's the 5

Mk3 is the middle ground

Mk4 is the heavy hitter

Albeit slower charge

And Slash bayo

[remote sonnet]

The 5 with armourbane is most versatile for me.

Most because of breakpoint dps.

[serene bough]

Generally I agree, but in this game I'd argue your melee should be able to competently deal with armor

If it doesn't, like the dclaw, its pretty heavily gimped at higher levels

[odd summit]

eh?

[sleek garden]

my teammate whiffed a dodge and went at a 45 degree angle and the crusher tracked him and got both of us squished

[marsh shard]

Should have used a dclaw

[willow spruce]

Especially because even if you take the weaker melee you’re left feeling like “cool, but I could have chosen the knife and do everything better”

Or something

Last meta question for today, is the bolt gun still bad? The bolt pistol I’ve seen being put to work but not so many bolt guns

[unreal nova]

BPistol is for massive frags.

[trim steppe]

Did the havoc server glitch give anyone else double crate rewards?

We're only 4 weeks in lol

[trim steppe]

Bolt gun is good, its one of the best at high levels. Bolt pistol is less good, it is mostly good because of the Lethal Proximity blessing applying to frag grenade radius and making them huge

[unreal nova]

If you got on early enough to collect week 4, yes.

[hollow ibex]

bolter got buffed significantly

[midnight totem]

It did.

It also fucked my havoc completions do now I'm stuck on the 37 I did this week and not the 40 I did this week

[trim steppe]

How so?

I'm not sure whats going to happen next week, I did a 40 last night and it still shows 0. Tho I have the title and penance and everything

[midnight totem]

That's what happened to my friend who hosted the 40 I did

[trim steppe]

Maybe it'll be a double crate for last week and no crate this week

Not the worst but I'd prefer to take my 40 crate over a 37 one

[midnight totem]

I mean, I don't need the crate really?

But it's just annoying to me that my highest done this week still says 37

[trim steppe]

I only have 150k plasteel how am I supposed to afford anything

[midnight totem]

Right?

It's a dire situation

[empty root]

how is this for leveling up infantry lasgun

[odd sparrow]

lasgun is actually one of the few weapons where i would actually recommend executioners stance

[keen nova]

The Kantrael is so good and I love it

I like the Mark 9 but it seems the consensus is the Mark 7 is the better rifle

[slow spade]

The best lasgun is the one that develops the least carpal tunnel

[tall torrent]

IIb is best

VII is also good

[tame lodge]

The best Ilas is the one that makes you feel like the Moebian 6 trailer

[sleek garden]

it feels so awful when you get hit by a trapper like 3 seconds after the net's out and you get dragged 50 yards away

im a lasgun lover

i think they're all good

the heavy one feels really powerful

[sleek garden]

definitely a bit better for ogryn enemies

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/ogvhs-fingers-pointing-shooting-gif-18199472

Oh wait I miss cropped

Now that's better

The Ilas do be doing that every now and then

For some reason

[terse idol]

Imo only the damage increase part of mf is worth it

You also need superiority complex

[serene bough]

MF for IIb is worth

Flak + elite dmg w/ MF pushes a lot of significant break points w/ 3 stacks of MF

[serene bough]

Needs determined

[empty root]

first game with the kanreal Mk VII

[tawny timber]

wow ur so good

honestly amazing

[tame lodge]

Ok not sure if I fancy recon on havoc

The economy is ok if you only shoot what can't be shanked by you or your team

Oh and don't play chicken with Reapers

[stoic thorn]

Psword is kinda ass ngl

Literally fucking useless if you get hit while powering it up or while it's powered up

[trim steppe]

There are certainly better options

[hollow ibex]

i mean it's a very strong weapon

just janky af

[tame lodge]

True

So

Don't get hit

Probably the weapon that made me weave pushes every now and then

https://tenor.com/view/spin-move-dodge-missed-get-out-the-way-finesse-gif-25592404

[trim steppe]

That's just good practice on any horde melee

[stoic thorn]

This is why I use da chainsword

Nothing screams CADIA more than a CADIAN chainsword on CADIAN armour

Wish more classes talked about CADIA

[tame lodge]

While true
There's not a lot of weapons that will "punish" you for just dodging

[formal ice]

Cadia sucks

[tame lodge]

And like

[formal ice]

Is that what you wanted?

[tame lodge]

Chaos Spawn was the boss that would punish dodges and stuff like that

Then they changed it

[stoic thorn]

I have never heard an ogryn talk about cadia

[trim steppe]

I guess I just dodge too much, I'm always running out of dodges with plenty of horde still swingin at me

[hollow ibex]

running out of dodges is when i usually remember that i can block and push

[marsh shard]

There we go

[hearty panther]

blocking really is an entirely forgotten option for many lol

they made dodges so strong in DarkTide

then again we can't freely block overheads here so

[tawny timber]

had a krieger and a vet dressed like a 14 year old airsofter

[trim steppe]

Honestly blocking is really strong too when it comes down to it, it just usually isnt the first option since dodges dont use stamina

[tawny timber]

i absolutely despise the new vet cosmetics

why are people buying them

specifically the headpiece

[trim steppe]

but the fact that you can 360 block all attacks while you run away or retreat over cover or whatever gets you out of so much trouble

[tame lodge]

Consoome

[marsh shard]

Shred on dclaw 🤌

[tawny timber]

i still havent bought fucking aquilas

[trim steppe]

Not sure why people are buying any cosmetics at all tbh, microtransactions are a blight on the face of gaming

[umbral scaffold]

hi is this a good build for heavy bolter build? not sure what special perks to get on the weps tho

[hollow ibex]

this really doesn't tell us much about the build

[formal ice]

Give the build tree

[trim steppe]

Yeah sorry this tells us nothing, need your tree and perks and blessings

heavy sword and bolter work just fine together

[tame lodge]

Well the good news is that Bolter complements heavy Sword

So that's that

[silk bobcat]

Love me bolter. Love me shock maul. Love me emprah. Simple as

[unreal nova]

Cos ppl like to look different or better.

[quartz nymph]

What's a good executioner stance build?

[formal ice]

Because we want drip

Do you want everyone to use the same free boring clothes?

[trim steppe]

Yeah if the alternative is propping up a scum industry and degrades the quality of all products

[formal ice]

Nah

We giving more money to fartshark

So its good for them

[unreal nova]

The fact they start you off in rags is a way to incentivize the cash shop.

[trim steppe]

Yeah exactly, it's fucking psychological warfare

[formal ice]

And?

[trim steppe]

Hey if you want to eat your shit sandwich that's your choice

[formal ice]

What shit sandwich?

I don't see any

Just drip

[trim steppe]

Paying for drip shouldn't be the norm, but it is since everyone just throws money at it

I swear when Bethesda sold that horse armor DLC we jumped into a darker timeline

Paying top dollar for a 50% completed game and then buying 3 more DLCs to get access to the content they stole from you in the first place is just what you expect as a gamer now. Paying $100 for 3 hats is just normal smh

[formal ice]

Isn't like, buying cosmetics your choice?

[unreal nova]

It already incentivizes the Imperium edition to look okay compared. And you get a handful of copypaste with more danglies outfits for free as unlocks half which are said rags with extra things.

[trim steppe]

Yes, buying a shit sandwich is your choice, as I stated before

[formal ice]

What shit sandwich?

[trim steppe]

🤦‍♂️

[unreal nova]

You get 2-3 fancyish but still bland for annoying penances, but nearly everyone has them.

[stable socket]

isnt there a mod for cosmetics? or is that broken

[hollow ibex]

others don't see modded cosmetics

[formal ice]

I think its cosmetics for weapons, like idk aim thingy and flashlight

[hollow ibex]

no there's a mod that's literally called for the drip

that has a bunch of cosmetics for your character

including stuff that fatshart hasn't released

there's also a separate weapon customization mod

[formal ice]

Huh

[unreal nova]

It's pointless unless you get dogged/grabbed/flung/die often since first person lul. Or mourningstar.

[formal ice]

Agreed

[stoic thorn]

Ngl I think the exhilarating takedown node needs a buff

[marsh shard]

What an odd thing to complain about

Zero concept of game design

[stoic thorn]

Of the 3 toughness gaining starting nodes I think the left one is the weakest

The one that triggers on specials and elites is quite easy to trigger on an exe stance vet

[trim steppe]

I said microtransactions are a blight on gaming and others disagreed

[stoic thorn]

The one that just gives you 4% toughness per kill is pretty good

But the left one is 10% toughness with 10% toughness damage reduction for 8s stacking thrice on ranged weakspot kill is kinda ass

[hollow ibex]

nah it's ok

the problem with CK is that it requires specialists and elites

[stoic thorn]

I've been using it to condition myself into hitting headshots

[hollow ibex]

and sometimes you're getting fucked by endless bruisers, and you can't recover toughness

[stoic thorn]

When it comes to the auric levels they're in plenty

[hollow ibex]

ET doesn't have that issue

[stoic thorn]

I can reasonably gain a shit ton of toughness since I main exe stance

[hollow ibex]

the only real downside of ET is having to take longshit lol

[marsh shard]

How many years does it take to make a game? What is their incentive to continue handing out free improvements to a game you already paid for... for years?

Once a game is made, how many programmers/engineers/game designers should get paid to patch the game, maintain servers, and create new content?

How large is the team of developers? How many dollars per hour do those people make?

[stoic thorn]

Im using lasgun rn so longshot is not much an issue

Using the highest dmg slowest fire rate mk

[hollow ibex]

it's just a bad node

rarely kicks in

[stoic thorn]

True

What's the exact range where it doesn't work

[marsh shard]

If randoms paying $5 for a cool hat keeps up the servers and leads to more content, fine by me

Thats why the price of games hasn't increase much in the last 20 years

[hollow ibex]

0-30m iirc

[stoic thorn]

The other node from the longshot node is 30% reload speed on spec/elite kill

[marsh shard]

Because those fancy hats people pay a few bucks for

[keen nova]

It's me, I'm randoms paying $5 for a cool hat

[stoic thorn]

Like it doesn't work at 30m at all

[hollow ibex]

so close damage is from 0-30m

after that it should be considered long range, so that's when longshit kicks in

[stoic thorn]

I'm about to kill myself that is actually ass

[hollow ibex]

but i think it scales

[trim steppe]

Companies made games for decades before microtransactions. Making a game bad on purpose and then selling the antidote is a scummy business tactic. It is company/profit driven and not consumer focused. I hate it in all forms and I always will

[hollow ibex]

so it's not even the full effect at 31m lol

[stoic thorn]

But I need it to condition myself to consistent headshots anyway

[hollow ibex]

wait sorry

[trim steppe]

ALSO other games do it in a decent way. Take DRG. Tons of cosmetics to play with, AND you can buy cosmetic packs to support the devs. And I do, because they are not leeches

[hollow ibex]

guide has this info

[stoic thorn]

Ngl I think they should lower it down to 8m and spread out the buff more I think

[marsh shard]

The only other solution that'd incentivize devs to continue improving a game would be a subscription based model... but people hate subs more than they hate micros

[hollow ibex]

weird, so i guess there's overlap with close damage then

i had figured they were separate

this still isn't great, but better than i thought

[trim steppe]

Darktide giving you rags so that you will buy clothes is mean behavior that I do not feel inclined to support

[stoic thorn]

I can't even oneshot hesdshot a gunner

Idk if I'm actually getting full longshot coverage

If I turn on exe stance I can just oneshot headshot just about any human that's not in carapace

Or is a mutie

[marsh shard]

Theres a ton you can unlock via achievements.

Hell, given the circumstances and the 40k universe it makes sense

[formal ice]

My man really don't want to give money to the devs

[stoic thorn]

I just want a proper cadian shock troop armour

So I can be John cadia

Hell

[keen nova]

Tfw some of the best drip is entirely earnable by playing the game

[marsh shard]

Have you unlocked the commisary? Have you seen how much you can unlock via achievements and penances? @trim steppe

[stoic thorn]

Veterans sentry uniform ftw

[trim steppe]

I gave the DRG devs plenty of money on cosmetic DLCs because they deserved it. They made a good game with the player in mind, first and foremost. Any decision that puts profit over the consumer is bad and shouldn't be supported

[trim steppe]

I have unlocked it all, yes

[stoic thorn]

Give me the CREED fit

[keen nova]

The infiltrator fatigues and trench goggles go so hard

[formal ice]

This isn't DRG

[stoic thorn]

Give me that Ursukar E Creed fit

[trim steppe]

Youre right

Man people REALLY going to bat for microtransactions. What a time to be alive

[marsh shard]

We haven't paid for a single DLC or patch.

Fatshark is head and shoulders above most devs.

Most devs would have made Auric Missions and new maps a paid DLC.

Most devs would have made Havoc mode + maps its own paid DLC.

Look at Destiny lmao

[keen nova]

Funny hat is a small price to pay for good game

Aquilas are dirt fucking cheap compared to other premium currencies too

[marsh shard]

Anything and everything that impacts gameplay is free in DT

[formal ice]

Yes

[formal ice]

We are buying cosmetics because we like it, and it support the game

[marsh shard]

Cosmetics are the only thing you pay for, they are entirely optional, and its what keeps the devs making improvements that they then give back to us for free

[stoic thorn]

Creed fit

[keen nova]

If you don't wanna spend money, that's cool, but going as far as "Fatshark makes you dripless" is just uninformed

[unreal nova]

DRG complete is cheaper than all outfits in this. I know since I have most of it... Even if I fixate to 1 outfit every time.

[keen nova]

Have you seen half the crap in the premium shop?

[stoic thorn]

Reskin #664

Wheres my fucking kasrkin armour huh

[keen nova]

I'd love to get my hands on their closed helmets

[stoic thorn]

God I love CADIA

[keen nova]

Feeding a chaos space marine a melta like a boss

[formal ice]

If you love Cadia then why didn't you defend it against a giant fucking thingy that destroys worlds, huh?!

[keen nova]

They crashed a fucking SPACE FORT INTO MY PLANET

[tawny timber]

when are we getting this power sword

[formal ice]

I don't care! Its your fault because you where suppose to defend it! Even if it meant your life and nothing changing!

[stoic thorn]

This is why I will never paint eyes

He is giving me some

Bombastic side eye

Or he's just staring deep into my soul

[keen nova]

Be strong, Clarence. Be strong for the emperor.

[stoic thorn]

A SECOND BLACKSTONE FORTRESS HAS HIT THE CADIAN GATE

WAKE UP GUILLIMAN

WAKE UP

[keen nova]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-shocker-shocked-black-guy-gif-27526370

[stoic thorn]

TURN ON THE NOOSPHERE

ANY CHANNEL

THEYVE HIT THE FUCKING CADIAN GATE

OFF WORLD CADIANS ARE SAYING THAT BLACKSTONE IS UNABLE TO DESTROY CADIAN SOIL

[warm bolt]

[formal ice]

When yall making Cadia 2?

I want to see it being destroyed again

[keen nova]

After John Cadia obtains the 40,000th Warhammer and defeats Horus Heresy

[warm bolt]

I want to see Cadia being restored but then destroyed like how Yvrainne reversed rubric curse on some rubricae only to instantly turn them into dust before Ahriman's eyes

It'd be hilarious

[azure stream]

already done. New Cadia exists

[formal ice]

"Oh great Emperor... After all of theses ages, our greatest fortress world is finally back-"
Cadia instantly becomes ash

[warm bolt]

[warm bolt]

Abaddon frothing at the mouth like that one Vegeta image rn

Me when i cant crash another priceless Dark Age Of Technology artifact ship into New Cadia

[burnt vortex]

Thought it was a xenos ship

[crimson pebble]

even more rare war in heaven artifact

necrons made them

[burnt vortex]

Eldar.

[warm bolt]

Ah right

[warm bolt]

This elevates his spiteness to the next level

Next thing to crash into the planet will be a chaos god

[burnt vortex]

Orbital Dropping Chaos

[wanton dawn]

I mean, its called chaos. Not "Orderly planet disposal"

[frank ether]

nice bootlickery

please fatshark, paywall aurics so you can watch your playerbase go poof overnight

[burnt vortex]

Crate Entertainment are probably the best devs I've witnessed. Granted, Grim Dawn doesn't have a massive playerbase but they put in a ton of work rebalancing and making expansions for free.

[frank ether]

I don't even care if a game has content DLC, but putting the two and a half maps you churn per year under paywall is surefire way you kill your finances because you can't even keep up with the demand

so then you'd be putting every new weapon mark under a paywall too

morbillion DLCs

dead service game at that point

[crimson pebble]

didnt vermintide have payed weapon packs

[unreal nova]

Sounds like a mobo 'game'.

[crimson pebble]

surprised they havent trisd that again

[frank ether]

It did, it was also nowhere near as greedy as this game or had other corporate interests during its development

[unreal nova]

And prices are well stated.

[frank ether]

the drip you buy is going to tencent pockets, the guy making maps at sweden fatshark HQ couldn't give less of a fuck how the cash shop is run

[unreal nova]

Not this mess that makes you want to keep spending due to leftovers.

[calm shard]

it's funny you mention that because they literally did that in Vermintide 2

[unreal nova]

Cos you buy a set and have 100 left over.

[calm shard]

cataclysm the hardest difficulty is locked behind DLC

[frank ether]

imagine havoc being paywalled

queue time go from 15H to hope you brought friends

[calm shard]

Also Destiny isn't a fair comparison Because it's an MMO

[frank ether]

Destiny keeps ppl hooked on addiction and gamba

[calm shard]

They've always expected you to buy into the new season. It's how their monetization works

[frank ether]

its a game of constant loot showers that are %99 useless

[calm shard]

FFXIV is still a fuckin' subscription based game

[frank ether]

because you're in gamba for a specific combination of perks

or a specific thing

Almost as if darktide tried the exact same thing with their old crafting system

almost as if they wished they could have destiny levels of unhealthy adhd gambling addicts

and Destiny is fucking imploding over their decisions lmao

[crimson pebble]

i need my 3 card poker table in the morning star fartshart

[frank ether]

I hate the online hub trend too

in games that aren't MMOs

its fucking terrible

[unreal nova]

Bet 100 dockets to gamba with others.

[frank ether]

I wish I could burn morningstar

[crimson pebble]

honestly outlast trials hub is the most peak iv seen imo

[frank ether]

never played that one so can't comment

but I despised destiny and its hub areas

[crimson pebble]

you get the choice between 5 or 10min chess or playing against someone in a reflex test

[frank ledge]

Darcy was right, buff veteran

Make us run faster in the morning star

so I can grind my plasma faster

[frank ether]

that sounds neat

I also like the strategem hero in hd2

[frank ledge]

drg hub is also peak

[frank ether]

drg hub is good

[crimson pebble]

iv spent more time in the hub playing chess then the actual game cause im a pussy and it's scary

[frank ether]

drg is a good game, it has some issues with overclock gamba but honestly I have had such good luck with it so my experience is biased

like almost every OC I roll turns out S tier according to some giga tryhard

[frank ledge]

"Some amsec with extra of corpse starch please"

[unreal nova]

Is better now since lvling up promotion grants stuff.

[frank ether]

lmao this reminds me maybe GTFO should have had a hub

[frank ledge]

What if you already at max?

[unreal nova]

I remember when it refreshed the weekly core hunt missions.

[unreal nova]

You still get the stuff, but ocs and such get turned into blank cores.

[frank ledge]

perhaps I should play drg as I look for HAVOK teams as Ogryn

I think I got time for a deep dive with how long it takes even with true survivor and havok armor

[unreal nova]

QoL for free and you don't need to play for it.

[cedar pecan]

This has the most desirable max stats right?

[frank ledge]

No.

Get rid of that mobility soldier!

[unreal nova]

God Bless Ghost Ship Games. And btw, they make fun glitches actual things and actually listen to players.

[cedar pecan]

I thought collateral was the dump stat for recon?

[frank ledge]

It doesn't do much, that is true, but it does slightly more than 20% mobility difference

https://tenor.com/view/drill-sergeant-gif-27592443

[grand perch]

it is

except for havoc possibly? where you actually want to suppress shit

[unreal nova]

Just save time and always dump mobility.

[ocean idol]

so

Thinknig what blessings to go on devil claw

[unreal nova]

Unless psyker. Then warp resist.

[frank ledge]

This

Helps make shooters less shooty

Running 0.5 faster won't change much unless you get the 5.25 out of stam sprint speed

Which allows you to still avoid getting shot at as you run

[ocean idol]

Why?

Have not gone far on havoc

and now them od is dead

[unreal nova]

Gunners shoot on a whimsy for stupid damage. You also take full damage when your toughness breaks so you will die fast if they aren't suppressed or staggered.

[calm shard]

gunners aren't really the issue

it's basic shooters who have always been able to 1 shot your toughness

and now they do that, and then also take a massive chunk of your health or even kill you outright

they effectively do the damage of a mauler/crusher overhead in normal gameplay and there's like 20 of them in every encounter

and they do it from a distance

[ocean idol]

I have not notcied that

but i just dodge most of the shots anyway

[grand perch]

which is why shredder autopistol is the best gun for 40 havoc, suppresses everything

[unreal nova]

Heh. Suppression gud now.

[frank ether]

u on EU?

I don't mind playing with ogy, if you're lower on the ranks I need to do some for the penances anyway, you can hmu

[frank ledge]

Yes

I just want to grind the helmet at any rank

[light ridge]

I just want to get a 25+ done for the reward, no interest in 40

[drowsy aspen]

40 is totally doable though!

I did some 39s and 38s earlier

You'd better bet I lost those lmao

But progress was made

And I'm not an especially talented gamer

You can do it man!

[light ridge]

Probably , best I managed so far was 20
yesterday wiped 26 twice
Zealot told us to stick together the second time, then complained they couldn't fight all the gunners by themselves half the map away
40 just seems too much

[frank ether]

oh cool, you can send me a FS or steam code and I'll add it when I get on PC. I think I lost my rank but shouldn't be a big deal to get it back up, just timesink

[patent rapids]

Any map tips for getting 5 kills with a nade without it bouncing penance? For now it seems even harder than beating a heresy run no damage lol

And also which would be the best nade for it

[calm shard]

go into psykhanium, aim it straight up and tap LMB

keep in mind where it blows up, and then just chuck it when there's 5 enemies at about that distance

oh also you can use the bolt pistol to give it a bigger blast radius

oh wait does throwing it straight up not work anymore since they changed grenades

oopsie

[light ridge]

Easier at lower difficulty

[calm shard]

eh you can jump off a box and underhand throw it straight up and that works too

[normal sparrow]

Only work with frags
Relay station mid event, smelter complex finale

[light ridge]

I did it on some bridge at the start of a mission

This Infiltration-Recon build turned out to be a ton of fun, thanks for the tips
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9de21739-5824-41e5-855b-9ea7fd1f817b/veteran-infiltrator-3

[fading meadow]

Hi guys, any advice how to complete Kill Shot Penance ? Thanks in advance.

[ocean idol]

BLood letter

no surprise attack

no OVerwatch

no Agile Engagement

this build is trash

It is basically jsut Recon build

[wanton dawn]

That's rough buddy

[latent parcel]

You finally home yet or what

[wanton dawn]

I am. I'll co this afternoon

[latent parcel]

sounds good

[frigid tusk]

Recon lasgun mk12, what's the best perks for it?

[frigid tusk]

Ty!

[winter grove]

Having maxed out zarona and rashad feels like cheating on a stealth build

[pastel yew]

I mean at least in auric play that'd be because (at least in my opinion) it is the second strongest build in a game filled with overpowered builds

the melee weapon is also very simple, and the ranged weapon aims for you

not "cheating" for sure but, heavily heavily stacked with little required input

[winter grove]

The strongest would be ds4 zealot I assume

[pastel yew]

nah plasma gun shout vet

ds4 zealot is up there for sure though

ds4 anything really

[calm shard]

why is this like this

[dire olive]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-ripaim-random-fire-out-of-control-fire-gif-5980510

[pastel yew]

shoot someone behind you, use the recoil to enhance your swing...

would be killer to have something like this

[willow spruce]

Ok, thx, got the wrong memo :/ was using boltgun on zealot and it was decent there to apply brittleness for thammer

Glad it works on vet too

[ocean idol]

I don't think bolter ever was bad?

[light ridge]

This is indeed a Recon build
Blood letter or Rampage still not clear which I like better
Surprise attack is 30% damage for 5 seconds after using a 45s ability, sometimes I feel that Close Quarter Killzone provides more value. Instead I used that point on a talent that is not dependent on an external cool down to provide value
Overwatch is not really needed, somehow I feel that I have less downtime on Infiltration without it than with it.
Agile Engagement is nice, it is strong, it is also dependent on switching your weapon. But this is a recon build and recon likes Onslaught, Rending Strikes, Shock Trooper and Reciprocity, if I go Agile Engagement I'm short 1 point

I'm sure it's not the best build but it gives me everything I like and makes the chainsword workable for me

Apparently Unyielding on the Recon is good enough? That's the one thing I'm most doubtful about

[marsh shard]

They learned from their mistake (locking cata behind DLC)

Subscriptions used to be the norm, now its a dying breed.

If Destiny is an MMO than darktide is too lmao. I personally wouldn't consider it one, I reserve that title for games like FFXIV, WoW, EverQuest, etc...

---

A veteran related question

What guns are very ammo efficient and are suitable for taking out snipers + gunners?

[warm bolt]

Plasma and helbore i'd say

[light ridge]

Bolt Pistol, never seem to run out of ammo

[dry cloak]

helobres with proper build can be 100% self suffcient

sad they are one of worse options right now

[light ridge]

But aim is sometimes janky, that's why I like Surgical.
The time it takes for the gun to realign gives 30% crit

[ocean idol]

obviously lasguns

[marsh shard]

Which variant?

[dire olive]

Would recommend Recon, helbore or pistol over the infantry las

[calm shard]

all of the las weapons because of Shock Trooper, especially Las Pistol and Helbore

infantry las is VERY good, but you need to run suppression immunity with it

whether that's Determined on your talent tree, or the blessing that makes you immune to it on headshot

[dire olive]

Infantry las is so good that no one runs it out of fear of being too good

[pastel yew]

think most people don't run it because its kinda dry

its like

rp tier

[marsh shard]

I just want to take out specials and gunners with the gun, everything else is melee and grenades... including bosses

[pastel yew]

it's just kinda generally a good gun, no real special focus or interesting gimick

[pastel yew]

for havoc or for auric?

[marsh shard]

Suggestions for both would be nice

[pastel yew]

havoc I'd suggest bolt gun/pistol/any las weapon

plasma gun is good but I'm not sure how its efficiency is maintained with lesser ammo drops

for auric then the same but more weapons, pretty much any "marksman" weapon

accurate headshots

[marsh shard]

Coming from psyker and don't know a damn thing about guns aside from using Bolt Pistol on the zealot I used to snipe specials

[pastel yew]

the mk7 headhunter and bolt pistol are personal favourites tho

[marsh shard]

My concern with Bolt Pistol is the low total ammo compared to the las weapons

[pastel yew]

nah it's

at least for auric play

practically infinite

every shot you fire is killing something

so that's 108? shots base

a lot of room for error

88 shots base 108 with the ammo talent

[marsh shard]

Compare that to lasweapons tho

[pastel yew]

true but does being more ammo efficient matter if you never run out?

[spice wadi]

the ooerrr with the bolt pistol is having to reload it so it gets big weapon specialist value imo

[marsh shard]

Well

[pastel yew]

tbf bolt pistol reload is pretty rapid

though yeah weapon spec gets you 3 shots

per swap

[spice wadi]

there's a gate in the reload animation which lives in the land of panic

[pastel yew]

assuming 10 kills

[spice wadi]

which is where your guy refuses to believe the gun is loaded until he's slapped the end of the mag

and it screws with me

[pastel yew]

mmh that's fair

gotta slap it..

the bolt slap

[tough tiger]

Efficiency is maintained with the high cleave per shot

[pastel yew]

I've not noticed it on the pistol tho

[spice wadi]

may be skill issue but I've had a few times where I've been dodging round with the bolt pistol at 0 trying to get that last reload gate to go off

[pastel yew]

yeah its just that it's pick up rate was already quite low

[spice wadi]

only when everyone else has comitted various flavors of unaliving themselves

[pastel yew]

it just had enough base ammo to not matter for auric

plus 4x the ammo on the map

[tough tiger]

Dont matter, your team is supposed to funnel ammo to the vet anyway

U

[marsh shard]

I wouldn't want the ammo in this case

[wanton dawn]

Aight

[pastel yew]

makes each light box like

just over a single uncharged shot?

iirc you get 15 per light tin

15/4 = 4 rounded up or whatever

[frank ether]

should have done this with helbore 3

[vivid silo]

IIRC you get 6 or 7 ammo per small ammo tin, assuming maxed Ammo stat and the extra ammo talent

[frank ether]

or whatever they renamed it to now

[vivid silo]

So 2 uncharged shots

[frank ether]

the big helbore

[pastel yew]

yessssss

dont think james workshop would have okay'd it though

[loud belfry]

dead chat

[supple wagon]

Every time I hear people ask for autopistol buffs I wither in my chair

My crows feet grow deeper around my eyes as I recall pinning fire

[oak gorge]

ManualPistol when

[patent rapids]

Does anyone have a good infiltration build?

[frank ether]

thats a laspistol

[minor saddle]

could someone share a good resource for up to date class builds please?

oh nvm i see there are builds here

[willow spruce]

Is it just me or do the chainswords feel kinda clunky?

Or is it just wrong combo?

[wanton dawn]

it is

[empty root]

Clunky

[willow spruce]

At least mk XIIIg feels weird to use against hordes

It's either push attack 2 lights which looks ok

Or push attakc light heavy

Which feels exruciatingly slow

[empty root]

this is what I used to level up rashad caxe and double barrel shotgun

there is also this build on gameslatern it's pretty fun https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a58b877-f385-40dd-a4cc-d8198b4a6688/invincible-vet-clutch-master

[tame lodge]

That's why you go shred Wrath and just spam light attacks

[light ridge]

Any combination of Shred, Savage Blows and Ravage seems to make the XIIIg light attack spam work

[pastel yew]

that combat blade set up is

kinda wild

taking krak grenades when you have a combat blade and zarona..

the breakpoints on this build generally must be giga whack

since no superiority complex or precision strikes

iirc you need those for the combat blade for a lot of the elites

[ocean idol]

Why shredder sucks so much

Vraks just better at everything

[queen fox]

Shredder was the best ranged weapon at one point

[ocean idol]

And?

What that has to do with anything

[queen fox]

It's had its time in the sun

[ocean idol]

AND?!

[queen fox]

You're mad the 3inch barrel 9mm bullet hose can't deal with kevlar the way a battle rifle can

[wanton dawn]

It is arguably the saddest ranged weapon now

[queen fox]

I think it needs runngun

[ocean idol]

It can't deal with anything

[light ridge]

Yet it scares heretics like nothing else and wil even knock a rager on his ass

It just won't penetrate his skin...

[tough tiger]

Borderline less-lethal weapon

[ocean idol]

May be could giv e tatoos with it?

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

Maniacs

[light ridge]

Also bosses for some reason

[unreal nova]

But it's fun. And I really, really hate crushers.

[pastel yew]

honestly the bulwarks are the worst for it... I hate them..

having frags is really nice for the knife though since it has awful horde clear

especially the mk3

[unreal nova]

Mk6 or bust.

For that loadout anyway.

[empty root]

oh yea i was using kraks because of penance but i generally always take shredders

finally done all class penances

[unreal nova]

I do run Bpistol for bigger kraks because funni though now.

[pastel yew]

woo congrats

[pastel yew]

what even is the explosive radius for kraks

I have no idea

[empty root]

now for weapons

[empty root]

microscopic

[unreal nova]

No clue, but it gets a wee bit bigger.

[grand perch]

am smart

[oak gorge]

you sacrificed yourself to save the others 🥹 truly noble

[tawny timber]

average krieg teammate

[pale sand]

thats fucking dedication bro respect

[gilded wraith]

What's a fun build for no ammo mostly melee mals?

[oak gorge]

bayonet without firing the actual gun itself

aka what i do

[gilded wraith]

That's definitely different. Might have to give it a try. Do you run the cleave blessing on the helbore?

[oak gorge]

i can't actually remember what the blessings i used to use were, its kinda good even unoptimised tbh

i used to use it and the command shout and its a fun action movie moment every 30 seconds

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-anime-pikachu-whos-that-pokemon-gif-1594688352208299494

https://tenor.com/view/blowing-up-killed-the-toliet-explode-gif-16139362

[oak gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/gengar-explodes-gif-27158062

[pastel yew]

leaves one comment saying SM2 is overhyped and carried by it's aesthetic
proceeds to have my reddit account stalked, immediately having them see I'm a darktide player and say somehow it's a lower skill game?

for the past like week or whatever I keep getting random messages from brand new reddit accounts trying to drag the argument on while acting like sm2 is the pinacle of skill because it has multiplayer (which doesnt even have SBMM)

I assume this is just one random 40k dude but

damn

lot of darktide flak in my feed

[oak gorge]

Honestly when I saw that space marine 2 isn’t proper campaign coop I just lost all interest

[pallid jetty]

beat the campaing solo and loved it

[tame lodge]

Surgical Weight of Fire

[pastel yew]

glad you enjoyed it

I basically only liked the last mission though

[tame lodge]

Unless mk5 then weight of fire is not necessary

[pastel yew]

the rest of the campaign wasnt good

[pastel yew]

the coop missions are sorta tangential to the main plot though

they happen alongside it

[pallid jetty]

the only issue i had is difficulty, i think playing on 2/4 difficulty is perfect

on 3/4 i had problems and didnt have fun

[pastel yew]

there is no like... high moment in the coop stuff, but its never awful either just because more variety n other players

[pastel yew]

yeah I did it on the max difficulty and honestly it just wasnt fun

I wouldnt even say it was hard as much as tedious

you do 0 damage

they just went for the skyrim approach to difficulty which is... "you get one shot, you do nothing"

I Was hoping there'd be an achievement or reward for completing it but there isnt

[pallid jetty]

they've been rushed

[pastel yew]

boowomp

like that death watch shoulder pad?

[pallid jetty]

great game anyway

[pastel yew]

that would have been a sick reward

instead its just acquired like anything else

eh

[pallid jetty]

im so glad i dont care about all these cosmetics and achievements

[pastel yew]

fun sense of progression

its nice to have things in a game that show player skill imo

[pallid jetty]

skill in sm2...

[pastel yew]

seeing something on someone thats hard to get gives you info about em

and yeah skill in sm2 har har I know the games giga easy but

ehh

[pallid jetty]

har har

what?

[pastel yew]

I was so hyped for it

har har as in like sarcastic laughter

[pallid jetty]

??? (???)

[pastel yew]

you're unfamiliar with the concept or wondering why I said it?

[pallid jetty]

seeing this "har har" for the first time in my life

[pastel yew]

hmm

maybe in text its kinda uncommon

[pallid jetty]

who the hell says like this

[pastel yew]

though speaking I'd say its relatively common

[pallid jetty]

anyway whatever

[pastel yew]

mhm

[pallid jetty]

i understand showing your skill in DT

but in sm2, which is crearly a single player game which has multiplayer just to sell cosmetics

[pastel yew]

nahh I wouldnt say so

I think the coop mode is like

where it has the most potential for sure

the class differences are interesting

they just really missed the initial landing

with next to no content, loads of grind, mega imbalance

[pallid jetty]

ok

[pastel yew]

I think in about a year I will try again n see whats changed

as that's my last hope for the game

[serene bough]

I only played SM2 for the story mode then didn't touch the rest

[pastel yew]

"story" mode

[serene bough]

Playing other pve horde games compared to darktide feels like a downgrade

[pastel yew]

yeah I'd agree

thats how I felt with helldivers at least

deep rock galactic is a little different though

the gameplay is different enough for a new appeal + the game is way more casual friendly

[serene bough]

HD2 is great from a cinematic point of view so I appreciate it

DRG I never played and never will

[pastel yew]

yeah I agree 100% on that

just shame the gameplay isnt really that interesting

the aiming system in helldivers also feels awful

[pastel yew]

if you have some friends that'd play with you, worth it. other wise I'd avoid

[serene bough]

DRG looks really boring honestly

I know people jerk off the game a lot bc the devs are good to the players but I never saw the appeal

[pastel yew]

nah it's fun it's just a lot more casual

[terse idol]

Imo i think it's alright

[pastel yew]

it's just satisfying to break shit and blow things up

sense of exploration

[terse idol]

The boolets come out of your barrel

[serene bough]

If i wanted to do that I'd play minecraft

I play horde games for combat

[pastel yew]

it all feels so innacurate n messy n wobly

[terse idol]

DRG imo is like a little shallow

[pastel yew]

also the animations for movement are buggy

[terse idol]

I haven't had that perrrsonally

Its inaccurate because of the recoil and junk

[serene bough]

I like how the aiming in HD2 has weight to it

[hearty panther]

Helldivers 2 has a fantastic system to build off of for skill expression. Sadly they have taken the game in the exact opposite direction to placate extremely whiney fucks on the internet.

[terse idol]

Which can be easily mitgated with armour effects

[pastel yew]

idk hd2 feels like it was designed for a controller

especially the aim

[terse idol]

Eh

Hd2 is probably

One of the most split community games rn

[pastel yew]

also ngl the random gen maps are hideous n boring... so much fucking walking

[terse idol]

I like it, but i was also in the boat that I didn't like the game before

But did defend their balance decisions

[hearty panther]

also HD2 is deffo not made for controllers, certainly not the way HD1 was. I actually can totally understand why some people found the game so hard/unfun/enemies so tanky because I can't imagine pulling off precise shots against specific enemy joints with an analog stick.

[terse idol]

At least now most missions are bearable without a delta force level squad

And most weapons are useable

[serene bough]

Best part of HD2 is dropping massive explosions on dudes with your friends in comms and enjoying the large scale combat spectacle

[terse idol]

They just moved towards a more casual power-fantasy type of game and I think that's where hd2 should be imo

[serene bough]

Darktides combat system will always make it the superior game for skill expression imo

[terse idol]

The worst part of hd2 prior was just dying and there was so many enemies that you could never get back to your one support weapon that could kill the enemies you facsd

[hearty panther]

I think to understand where I'm coming from ...

[terse idol]

Which certainly can still happen now but rarely

[hearty panther]

Imagine if DarkTide 2 came out

And its control scheme and skill expression level was like

Dynasty Warriors

thats the jump between HD1 to HD2 to me

[terse idol]

Its just completely different games

The only resemblance is the stratagem call down system

[hearty panther]

And it was frustrating because initially on launch HD2 had all the makings of being another very skill expressive game like HD1 but they hard overcorrected

[terse idol]

And the capes

[terse idol]

But at the same time

[hearty panther]

It wasn't quite all there

But it was there

[terse idol]

They nerfed so many things only a handful of things were viable

You could only take

[hearty panther]

They really did not.

[terse idol]

A handful of primaries

They really did

[hearty panther]

Please do not. Start this same line of argumentation lmao.

[terse idol]

Its just opinions

Literally

[hearty panther]

There has always been more buffs than nerfs.

[serene bough]

Im glad HD2 isn't a game about skill expression, personally

[terse idol]

You're about as right as I am, but our opinions literally

Are not compatible

[hearty panther]

No, factually, there has always been more buffs than nerfs.

[terse idol]

Well

I too made that argument

It is true

[hearty panther]

And then you decided to be wrong instead?

[terse idol]

But the buffs weren't meaningful

The railgun literally got nerfed

To a state where it wasn't very useable for anything but bots

(Considering we only had 2 factions too lol)

[hearty panther]

Okay, and

[terse idol]

Like are you going to ignore the railgun nerf?

[hearty panther]

God forbid a weapon is only effective against one of two (now three) faction types in order to fulfill a niche.

[terse idol]

In part of your argument?

[hearty panther]

Good thing that never happened in HD1 oh wait

[terse idol]

Regardless you don't like the game, I'm middling on it

[terse idol]

Okay?

And?

Is that fun?

Not to me

[hearty panther]

Right now I need them to drop D15 or something to bring me back. Any time I play with my friends it's like, once every other week, we play for not even an entire set of missions, and we're done. And we spend most of that time just chatting.

[terse idol]

The railgun after the nerf and then buffed

Still had a niche

Like any anti-armour weapon in the game

[terse idol]

Yes

It is a casual game

It turned more casual

In it's life time

I don't mind

[hearty panther]

I do mind.

[terse idol]

You're allowed to be mad

[hearty panther]

Because it was already casual. You just had to keep the difficulty down lmao

Darktide is also a casual game, but you can be sweaty as fuck if you wanna.

There is no such space for that sweatiness in Helldivers

[terse idol]

I mean d

[hearty panther]

And that sucks because Hd1 was purely about that sweat.

[terse idol]

Darktide is much less casual

Hd2 you can drop and play and just leave for a 20 minute mission and feel good

You can play damnation in darktide and get shit on and feel terrible

[hearty panther]

So it sucks that in the end they buried all the difficult content into the dirt and gave up nothing for anybody looking for the game to challenge you.

[terse idol]

Thsts fair

I just didn't like in hd2 that as a difference from hd1

[hearty panther]

Maybe in like a year they'll put out a new tier of difficulty for peeps whining like me but they also already did that with D10

and people bitched it was too hard

[terse idol]

Dying meant you could just eventually get the fuck away
You get fucked in hd2 especially before