veteran-class

[hollow ibex]

slugs are aight

revolver at home moment

[crisp oak]

Idk man they feel like they do less damage than the normal shots

Even at range

[topaz hollow]

Slugs are good

The others meh

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1301571210508763157/41.mp4?ex=67795626&is=677804a6&hm=ab7185cd63300dfc5703b1808486398b7b2898d83a76b2dffaf28c233a7b8e7c&

[topaz hollow]

One has infinite cleave with fire but dlamwthrower does it better and plasma too

[calm shard]

slug shotgun remains good though

huge stagger and tons of damage

conveniently also the one with the most ammo

[dry cloak]

a lot of older guns need reworks imo

and most of ogryn melees need a touch up

[tawny timber]

they need to switch it to be slugs by default

[grand perch]

next patch:
-removed all ogryn weapons except for pickaxes. welcome to the mines motherkarkers

[primal zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/raised-eyebrows-good-jocko-willink-gif-5513484

[crisp oak]

Weird, I was 2 shotting gunners and snipers

And not tickling crushers

unless I was using what I thought was slugs but wasnt

[hollow ibex]

i'm using MF in that clip, but you should be able to 2-shot crushers with slugs even with FT

[crisp oak]

Manstopper flechette?

Oh marksmans focus

Yeah, i want my kantrael infinite vrittleness back

[tame lodge]

Ogryn melee be like
Deal with hordes really well but can't single target that reliably
Bully and Club Elites and whatnot to death but can't deal with Horde
CC stick
Pick McAxe the goated

[calm shard]

slab shield

it does everything but it does everything with literally one attack

hope you like spamming that heavy

[tame lodge]

Brutal Momentum

https://tenor.com/view/groundskeeper-willie-simpsons-gif-6134644

[urban dew]

Hey guys, i was just wondering what melee weapon to go for (in case duel sword gets nerfed)

[tame lodge]

Knife
Rashad Combat Axe
Power Sword

Heavy Sword

Shovel

Chain Axe

Chainsword

[urban dew]

is that like an "S tier" - "A tier" thing? 😄

[tame lodge]

Sort of

But like

Path made a tier list

It's just somewhere

[urban dew]

ohh

but ok i will try knife then, loved power sword but only having those 2 hits of "actived" mode feels a bit wierd hehe

[tame lodge]

Found it

[urban dew]

oh!

[urban dew]

could i see it? 😄

[tame lodge]

Internet goofed up

💀

[fervent mesa]

I've been running power sword and I see others do as well but for havoc 40 so I'm assuming it's a solid pick

[urban dew]

ohh thank you so much! 😄 and no worries hehe 😄

[urban dew]

ohh! cool! thanks! since you run powersword? what blessings?

[fervent mesa]

Power cycling is mandatory for it to work

I forget the name of the other one

One sec

Power cycler and sunder should work

[wanton dawn]

Its either sunder or bm

[urban dew]

ohh! oki! thanks everyone! 😄

[wanton dawn]

Both have their perks

Power cycler is non negotiable

[fervent mesa]

Sunder just helps with horde clearing a lot I can't imagine not using it

Unless I'm in a party that got the horde clearing under control

[hollow ibex]

i wished PS got the relic blade treatment

instead of pc4 being a mandatory blessing

[wanton dawn]

Am not arguing on bm vs sunder. Plus the old guard know how much i love sunder

[latent parcel]

PS already op doesnt need relic blade treatment

[urban dew]

what do people run on knife? and mk3 or mvi? i see the tier list posted before was mk VI

[terse idol]

Honestly i would rather it be redesigned

[latent parcel]

how would u redesign it?

[terse idol]

To be like relic sword but different

[latent parcel]

its still super strong

[terse idol]

At minimum don't stop my charge for getting damaged

[latent parcel]

thats fair

[terse idol]

The mobility least for me the mobility is so bad it's actually hard to use

[latent parcel]

ya i use WS for dodge distance and just run a bolt pistol to move with

the mobility does suck

[fervent mesa]

I want it to be relic greatsword bottom text

I love that thing so much

[hollow ibex]

it's good, but it's just a poorly designed weapon

[fervent mesa]

But I love vet more

[terse idol]

[latent parcel]

Its just been nerfed alot over time. I could see them changing a few things on it but not much

[terse idol]

Well like

It is getting on in age

If anything because I imagine FS weapon design philosophy has changed through the dev time

Alot of old weapons are showing their age mainly

Dclaw

Having no weapon specific blessings

[crisp oak]

Its a potent but clunky tool

[terse idol]

Or how ogryn melee weapon power creep is like

Huuuuge

[crisp oak]

Imagine if dclaw had a blessing that gave 100% rending to the counter

[terse idol]

[crisp oak]

Tbh though the devils claw is already really good

[terse idol]

I think it just becomes worse the harder things get

[crisp oak]

Its base design of iframe hits works

[terse idol]

No cara damage, and parrying struggles on multiple ragers

[crisp oak]

I see 60 ragers and smile

[terse idol]

You can handle at most 2

And if they're blobbed you cannot parry

[crisp oak]

Ylu parry->dodge->parry

[terse idol]

I dunno chief

[crisp oak]

Wdym you cant parry

[terse idol]

You get that weird break

I wish I had an example

[crisp oak]

Oh yeah thats why you dodge

[terse idol]

It gets very clunky with multiple ragers

[crisp oak]

You parry quick dodge, parry, quick dodge

[tawny timber]

why relic blade have block while charging but not ps??

[crisp oak]

Is the setup for it

Also its heavies do work on dreg ragers

If you build for hordes

[tame lodge]

3 for stabs
6 for a bit of everything
6 at "Peak"
Uncanny Strike+ Riposte/Precognition
Carapace then Flak or Elites

[tame lodge]

So FS could slap a bad blessing to it

[tawny timber]

they fr just made a better ps

im not mad

[crisp oak]

Just port it back

Id like a full powersword rework

But never gonna happen

[terse idol]

Because it's an old weapon

I imagine like

Many of these weapons will get redesigned later

Why does the zealot relic sword get parry blessings but not the dclaw

Cause dclaws ooold

[crisp oak]

Why does getting tickled by a poxwalker cancel your power sword

[terse idol]

Yeah

Cause it was probably a way to nerf it back when it had infinite cleave and FS didn't know how to design darktide weapons yet

[tame lodge]

And FS keeps making bad blessings

[hearty panther]

Not a nerf, just a new persistent bug

[tame lodge]

Overload 🤢

Wait it might be bugged iirc

[terse idol]

Oh bug

[terse idol]

I mean

Whaaat

Some are bad

It's to fill out the mastery page tbh

[hearty panther]

They even flagged it as fixed a patch ago but it did not solve it sadly

[hollow ibex]

ok i don't think this one is actually that bad

[terse idol]

Blessings when they hhhhh

Only 4 of them are good

[hollow ibex]

you can stagger ragers out of combo, and it just streamlines the relic blade's gameplay

[tame lodge]

Alternatively

Grievous Wounds

And not overheating

[hearty panther]

Grievous Wounds very underrated

[tame lodge]

It's also all the way to the right

[hearty panther]

No its slightly left :smug:

[tame lodge]

[hearty panther]

being right under TWBS makes it pretty primo

[tame lodge]

A bit taxing

Unless you're a Loner 🤮 enjoyer

[hearty panther]

i mean basically every zealot build starts right side. its really just three points to dip and then go back left

my havoc BoP build has Hammer of Faith and Grievous Wounds together and it is quite satisfying to uppercut Crushers out of their overheads with a Relic Blade

[urban dew]

Any ideas for spearhead boltgun blessings?

[crisp oak]

Puncture cavalcade

But the pins have options (hammer of the emperor guide)

[empty root]

end of refinery delta 17 with recon lasgun, sat at the extraction point, dropped an ammo crate, and held down LMB for like 10 minutes straight and still not done this damn penance

[tame lodge]

End of excise vault would be perfect

Oh that's right

[crisp oak]

Its ok only 77 more

[empty root]

and a side note whats with the power maul?

i was caught alone with 2 maulers 1 bulwark and a mutant and I was fighting for my life

that encounter would be trivial for power sword or dueling sword

[crisp oak]

Idk man

[tame lodge]

You'd have to proc Skullcrusher and beat them down

[crisp oak]

Out of all of the vet melees I used the maul was my least favorite

And I used the mk4 chainaxe for my mastery levelling

[empty root]

i dont understand the point of the weapon

to allow vet to be a pathetic shadow of an ogryn?

[elder fiber]

its there to make dueling sword users wonder why they struggle when they pick other weapons

[crisp oak]

It doesnt need any investment to do what you want to do (no trench fighter)

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's just an ok low/no investment melee

[crisp oak]

But I think the chainsword is better for that

Or the mk1 shovel for that matter

[hollow ibex]

chainsword wants trench fighter, shovel honestly has worse horde clear than smaul

[crisp oak]

Doesnt need trench fighter

(Mk13 spamming lights)

[hollow ibex]

nothing "needs" trench fighter

[crisp oak]

The shovel was a meme

[hollow ibex]

but chsword still wants it

[crisp oak]

Maybe Im using the smaul wrong

But with the shovel and chainsword I feel like fights are less annoying

[hollow ibex]

i don't like smaul personally

[crisp oak]

I pretty much just use the chainsword/mk7 shovel for the reasons you would use it

Even if suboptimal

[tall torrent]

Shock maul? It’s ok
But compared to the other very strong weapons for veteran it’s comparatively a lot worse

[long condor]

whats a good melee focused build?

[umbral parrot]

Technically speaking, aren't all weapons 'okay'?

Except Power Sword! That's badass!

[fervent mesa]

in my experience in this game everything seems usable until havoc and then you need to start discarding some options

[tame lodge]

Yeah everything is okay

Just

Stay away from dclaw 1

Yeah

[long condor]

what an omen

[terse idol]

Okay to be fair it is harder for DS because you gotta wait for an opening

[tame lodge]

I'm also not a big fan of tactical axes
But they do have their moments

[empty root]

yea but dropping the mutant instantly makes things easy

[crisp oak]

Also 2 tapping the maulers

As opposed to the forever it takes the shock maul

[empty root]

power sword you just activate power cycle, roll your eyes into the back of your head and mash the left mouse button

[crisp oak]

But thats just the power sword

They should un-nerf the auto pistol

[empty root]

how did they nerf it

[tall torrent]

They nerfed pinning fire

From +100% strength down to +25% strength

[crisp oak]

Give the shredder its own unique version that has the 100% strength

It still wont be broken with the current roster of weapons

[empty root]

any good builds to finish these penances

the smoke one should go quick right?

[crisp oak]

Yeah just engulf poxwalker hordes

The weapon mastery one is just use weapon mastery

Think the last one is just suppressing enemies with stealth

[empty root]

whats the big difference between a stealth vet and stealth zealot

[crisp oak]

Stealth vet gets 2 charges

And is longer

Zealot gets stealth back faster

[tall torrent]

Stealth veteran is significantly better in team play
Stealth zealot is significantly better in solo

[crisp oak]

And does more damage

[hollow ibex]

zealot stealth not restoring toughness 😩

[empty root]

is leave no one behind a good talent to get with stealth for revive synergy

[hollow ibex]

not a fan of stealth zealot

[tall torrent]

No

[empty root]

or just take the extra grenade

[tame lodge]

Need one point for that

Invigorating Revelation

Or whatever it's called

[empty root]

which ones do i grab

[hollow ibex]

yeah and only 40% 😦

[hollow ibex]

i often run without any subnodes

but the subnodes in general are fine, except for the bonus damage one

[tall torrent]

Low profile

That’s it

[empty root]

first attempt

[crisp oak]

Grab the 2 charge one

Fpr stealth

[hollow ibex]

what build is this for?

or what weapons are you running rather

[crisp oak]

Smoke bomb and stealth penances

[empty root]

getting smoke, stealth, and weapon specialist penances

i havent chosen weapons yet, assuming DS4 and revolver?

[hollow ibex]

wouldn't go surv with infil, too much of a point tax

[crisp oak]

Drop the point from weapon specialist (the ammo regen) and replace it with the 2 charges on stealth

[hollow ibex]

definitely want agile engagement

[crisp oak]

The mans goal is to kill enemies with weapon specialist on, throw smokes at hordes

And then hit stealth in those hordes

[empty root]

one point left to spend

[hollow ibex]

if you're doing smoke penance, could grab demo team for max smokes

[crisp oak]

Field improv or demo team for more nades

Field improv makes your team hate you less

[empty root]

for weapons I need mastery for Combat axe, shock maul, chainaxe, heavy sword, infantry lasgun, headhunter auto, shredder autopistol, double barrel shotgun

could i use any of those for the build?

[tame lodge]

Double Barrel

[hollow ibex]

combat axe, you ain't a vet without a good rashad

[empty root]

and rashad?

[hollow ibex]

yeah staple vet melee

[empty root]

headtaker and brutal momentum, manstopper, scattershot?

[hollow ibex]

yeah, though for DB you can also take both barrels instead of scattershot

esp if you're doing WS

[tall torrent]

For combat axe
Brutal momentum
Headtaker
Carapace
Unarmored/elite

for DB shotgun
Manstopper
Scattershot/flechette

Both barrels is fun but kind of less so for using manstopper unless u take deadshot

[empty root]

when do you use stealth on vet

[tall torrent]

You use it when you feel like using it

[empty root]

offensively, defensivley, objectives, all of the above?

[tall torrent]

All of the above

[hollow ibex]

it's pretty good when you need to one shot elites tho

[tall torrent]

Multiple in a row yea

I like both barrels a lot more on zealot than veteran

[pseudo fiber]

Once they fixed the animation I've been a both barrels fan forever

[empty root]

well the build is pretty fun

definitely a new side of veteran for me

[keen nova]

Smokes are good fun, just a shame they aren't very reliable

[pastel pumice]

Playing Ghost of Tsushima in Darktide is very fun

[brave inlet]

Executioners stance, whats the viability on that?

[pastel pumice]

very good

Though havent tried on Havoc 40 nor will I touch it for the rest of the week to try

[empty root]

yea this build needs kraks bad

[empty root]

viable but lives in the shadow of VoC

[brave inlet]

see that's what I thought

I always hated executioners becuase to me it didn't feel like it did enough

[pastel pumice]

Depends how you view it

[hearty panther]

xstance is p. dope

[pastel pumice]

VoC outshines ES because it's viable to survival

[hearty panther]

you can solve most of the problems people use VoC to save themselves from by just shooting them in the face

and now that melee doesnt cancel it its better than ever

[pastel pumice]

As how ES shines in a different area since it does a totally different thing

[empty root]

VoC affects the whole team though

[pastel pumice]

And me clearing out an entire room with ES before my team gets there is also helping the team

[hearty panther]

so does me killing every yellow dude in line of sight with a single bolter round to the head 😎

[empty root]

and its overtoughness with is required for high havoc

[hearty panther]

deffo not required

[empty root]

technically not

[pastel pumice]

ES my beloved

[empty root]

i maxed rashad and double barrel shotgun, now I have chainaxe, heavy sword and shock maul left

[brave inlet]

I still have so much

I got the meta weapons maxed out

but I've still got a lot

[empty root]

out of those 3 weapons which sucks the least on vet stealth build

[hollow ibex]

chaxe and heavy sword are both fine on infil

[pastel pumice]

My 7 mil ordo dockets turned into 300k

[brave inlet]

POV: Cosmetics

[pastel pumice]

Maxed out 3 weapons

No lol

I still havent bought any of the Commissary outfits

For any class

I'll probably spend on them when i max every weapon

[brave inlet]

yeah

it's like 17 mil for everything

[pastel pumice]

Easy enough

[brave inlet]

I just need to git gud with the auric missions to make good cash

[odd sparrow]

Executioners stance scales a lot of the players skill. But also caps off because if a player is sufficiently good enough they basically dont need it. While VoC is just insane from the get go regardless of skill as long as you remember to press it

[pastel pumice]

Once you're comfortable with regular damnation or Havoc even, you're more than prepared for Auric/Auric Maels

[brave inlet]

I've clutched so many games with VoC

I've beaten damnation auric malestrom, and I think I can do havoc well (stupid party finder makes it nigh impossible to get havoc games going)

[odd sparrow]

Exe stance is very win more. If you already doing well you stomp even harder. But games that are rough are rarely saved by having exe stance

[brave inlet]

yeah, i've seen some vets play it, ig it's not for me tho, I'm a VoC diehard

[ocean idol]

Imagine playing anything but auric

[odd sparrow]

It pays off if you are one of those infantry las gamers that can pop a headshot 80+% of the time.

Im far from that tho

[ocean idol]

After experimenting with stealth i got to conclusion that Exe is actually the worst of the 3

[pastel yew]

wouldnt say its win more

[brave inlet]

Recon lasgun or boltgun for me

[pastel yew]

as much as it's preemptive defence

[pastel pumice]

I do love the %20 reduced CD modifier and TA node

[pastel yew]

I think even at the highest levels exec stance has a place

[pastel pumice]

You literally shout every 5 seconds

[pastel yew]

it's just rn gold toughness is degenerate levels of strong

[empty root]

it solves a problem that doesnt even exist

[brave inlet]

VoC turns you into the dragonborn

[pastel pumice]

Basically lol

[ocean idol]

Is not headhunter rifle better for that?

[crisp oak]

run mods to replace voc with meme lines

[crisp oak]

ilas has no ammo used on crits

[ocean idol]

????

[empty root]

recon lasgun is the best for headshot spam

[ocean idol]

and

[odd sparrow]

They perform similarly in that category

[ocean idol]

Why? It does not have particulary good finesse bonuses

[brave inlet]

I found out through a havoc mission how good it was with my build, I just thought it was kinda mid

[crisp oak]

dps, and I think las shock trooper counts for 2 shots

[pastel yew]

just very high dps and good ammo

the headhunters are also

uhh

[empty root]

its also easy to use

[brave inlet]

now the real question, which mark of the recon is best in your opinions?

[heavy rover]

personally i like running the infantry las so I can also use Ghost

[pastel yew]

I mean I really enjoy the mk7

but its finicky as fuck

[empty root]

hold down LMB to turn the hose on and drag it over heads

[pastel yew]

evenjust in damnation its breakpoints are kinda whack

[hollow ibex]

VI for me for general use cases

[odd sparrow]

Prefer mk 2 recon simply because it has normal falloff instead of reverse falloff

[pastel yew]

best recon is the one that fires fastest

PEWPEWPEPWPEWPEWPEWPEWP

[brave inlet]

I see

[pastel yew]

best dps

[ocean idol]

I keep forgetting that reverse faloff is a thing

[ocean idol]

I prefer the heaviest recon

[brave inlet]

I used to be (still am) and advocate for the boltgun tho

[ocean idol]

it pierces 3 enemies

[pastel yew]

the XII

it's also the only weapon in the game where like.. whats that shit node

the one thats like 10% crit for the first x% of your mag

is okay

[hearty panther]

deffo not 'win more' but yea, that second half is true. deffo takes more to pull out a big clutch with xstance than with VoC

[hearty panther]

actually hold on

do we all know that we can still use and refresh xstance in melee now?

and do we all also know that xstance gives you stagger immunity?

[brave inlet]

it does?

[odd sparrow]

I like boltgun but i miss ammo dump being viable. At this point i wish the bolter just got a big ammo boost compared to the boltpistol

[brave inlet]

ok maybe xstance isn't as bad as I thought

[pastel yew]

uhhhh I dont think thats true is itt??

holy if os

so

[brave inlet]

FRFR

it's ammo conservation has to be the worst in game

[pastel yew]

did that change when the refresh got baked into the skill

[ocean idol]

well bolter is amazing with right click head popping though

[pastel yew]

it's fine for the occassional dump

that's also how you use it on zealot mostly

zealot is just always full auto for me

as its an antiarmor/anti boss tool

[tall torrent]

Yea

[ocean idol]

nah, not really, it is almost never better than just right click head-shotting with deadshot

[pastel yew]

you got throwing knives as a primary

[tall torrent]

But if you play exe like
Pop exe stance, immediately swap to axe to engage in melee

[hearty panther]

^

[tall torrent]

That’s some crazy playstyle I’m not mentally prepared for

[hearty panther]

it takes a round to get used to

[pastel yew]

it's kinda weird as all the weapons that you'd want exec stance for are slow as fuck to swap to

[tall torrent]

And exe stance doesn’t boost damage for melee whatsoever

[ocean idol]

i will never understand taking throwing knives with bolter, it is just weird

[hearty panther]

but your red nodes do

[pastel yew]

so its not like you could really gain from exec stance ws

even if your melee gains nothin

[ocean idol]

??? only bolter, everything else is quick

[pastel yew]

same with any skill though

[hearty panther]

helbore

[pastel yew]

^^

I also use it with the vraks mk 7 headhunter

[pastel pumice]

Nah, I'd swap cancel

[pastel yew]

iirc the swap speed on that isnt nice

[hearty panther]

yea any skill does, but for xstance it just means it isnt exclusively for ranged

[pastel pumice]

Reload*

[pastel yew]

mmh I guess

[hearty panther]

thats good to know

[pastel yew]

mhm mhm

[hearty panther]

not unique but anyway

xstance is no longer a skill for just your gun

[pastel yew]

I guess you could like

bolt pistol exec stance...

and

not need... agile engagement...

[tall torrent]

It is a thing

[pastel yew]

sounds kinda shit tho

I guess you can get survivalist conveniently

[tall torrent]

And it’s better than a lot of other boltpistol builds if your goal is to make boltpistol hit breakpoints as good as possible

[hollow ibex]

i'm tempted to convert my revolver exec stance to a bistol exec stance

[brave inlet]

Isn't there a way to get like virtually infinite ammo with the recon using talents?

[pastel yew]

yeah I guess you dont need to reliably have crit generation

[hollow ibex]

surv and shock trooper, with focus on a crit build

[pastel yew]

recon isn't virtually infinite ammo

but its a lot

like probably around double your reserve/pickup

[ocean idol]

Exec stance is the best with headhunter, laspistol and lasguns

and bolter

[pastel yew]

if you run recip

[ocean idol]

that's it

[pastel yew]

if you dont then its a lowe

r

[ocean idol]

don't even try with any other weapons

[pastel yew]

not sure why you'd run it with a laspistol honestly

I dont know the lasgun breakpoints but laspistol already kills super quick

lots of shots so less important ig

maybe the heavy hitting lasgun?

[ocean idol]

Why?

[hollow ibex]

autoguns

[pastel yew]

because the damage for laspistol is already real respectable, and its not really a high uptime gun

its more convenient, fast, ammo efficient elite clear

you normally want exac stance for two things

break points

or automatic weapons as a huge dps boost

[ocean idol]

I never cared about breakpoints

[pastel yew]

you can not care about breakpoints but

at that point you're just wasting damage

without gaining

an example weapon that takes two shots to kill with and without exec stance

gains literally nothing from using it

it takes two seconds in the firing range to see your breakpoints by just shooting things

or you can use the guide if you're feeling lazy and it'll tell you what you need

[ocean idol]

nah

when you are good enough you don't need stat optimization

[pastel yew]

true enough

but I think to most of us that part of the game is fun

its the last bit of skill potential to milk from the game

[pastel pumice]

Yeah he slaps people to death while using the Bully club

[pastel yew]

I'm also autistic as fuck so numbers make me happy

[pastel pumice]

My kind of fun

[crude fiber]

My graia braced auto gun exe stance build

[pastel yew]

idk theory crafting and optimization is like... a secondary layer of enjoyment to the game

[ocean idol]

[pastel yew]

taking you out back like ol yeller...

[pastel pumice]

My shreddar autopistol infiltrate focus target building in question:

[pastel yew]

you cant reliably get weakspot hits with the braced autos unless you're right on them

[crude fiber]

Average shredder auto pistol exe stance enjoyer

[pastel yew]

you lose half of the benefit

[ocean idol]

Now that is interesting

I do use infiltrate a lot lately

never thought about shredder

[pastel yew]

infiltrate is super fun

[pastel pumice]

Shreddar autopistol is fun to use

[ocean idol]

since shredder is popy

[brave inlet]

honestly, getting flawless execution has become less difficult and more tedious

[terse idol]

❌

[pastel yew]

hate its lack of accuracy though ngl

[terse idol]

Rashad when you don't have max damage stats

[brave inlet]

it does help grind weapons tho

[pastel yew]

I've only tried it in early levels but

[pastel pumice]

It's an autopistol, my friend.

[pastel yew]

it was not a good feel

[crude fiber]

It may take 20 bullets to kill one but it's fun throwing ragers on their ass in 3

[pastel pumice]

Awwww yeah brother

[viral nacelle]

ok so what big sword option could vet get?

[light ridge]

Seems to work best on my Scrier's Psyker though

[terse idol]

Ahh

[ocean idol]

Laspistol is the only weapon for scrier psyker

well, may be recon too

[terse idol]

If only because scrier is like

Really good already

[pastel yew]

probably nothing tbh, seems big swords are a zealot thing ;-;

[terse idol]

Shredder is knee capping yourself

[brave inlet]

I wish they added comissar hats that you don't have to buy

[pastel pumice]

"You're seriously not locking in with a Chainaxe and Shreddar autopistol Exe stance WS build, are you?"

[pastel yew]

so heavy sword is about the peak even though they're not actually that big

[viral nacelle]

there's an infantry autogun that's pretty sick on gunker

[crude fiber]

There isn't a big melee weapon for vet unfortunately. Heavy sword or power sword are your "big" options

[viral nacelle]

i mean in future

i know all the vet options, ive done h40 with it

[ocean idol]

vrak?

[crude fiber]

Ah

[pastel yew]

the autogun is definitely better than the laspistol for gunker butttt... you get the funny force push with the laspistol

it replaces the bonk special

with a psyker shove

[ocean idol]

i do lov e chaxe

[pastel yew]

and thats cool

[viral nacelle]

the pistol is better versus boss because infernus with sg triggers like mad

[pastel pumice]

Chainaxe for style points

[viral nacelle]

the iag is better all rounder

[pastel yew]

infernus is real slow boss damage

[pastel pumice]

While you grind up a BoN

[pastel yew]

is iag not still faster ??

[viral nacelle]

not when you can stack a bajillion fire and crit like absolute mad

[viral nacelle]

which is gunker whole thing

[crimson wyvern]

looks like zealot so much

[tall torrent]

Don’t think there’ll ever be one for veteran

[viral nacelle]

SAD

[pastel yew]

while you get bashed away from the boss mid chain rev *

[terse idol]

Don't you run like ghost + hesdhunter on ilas anywho?

[viral nacelle]

vet needs a big sword

[terse idol]

Least for high havoc

[pastel yew]

vet needs big fist...

[terse idol]

Can't fit in infernus if because you're giving up ghoost

[pastel yew]

some kind of... powered weapon..

a power fist if you will

[pastel pumice]

Rev? Nahhh, we go in raw

No need for rev

[pastel yew]

satisfying!!

[viral nacelle]

psyker doesnt need ghost because we can take empathic evasion and never get hit by guns

[pastel yew]

until its not ig

[crude fiber]

Are there any heat based melee weapons in 40k?

[pastel pumice]

Lol

[pastel yew]

flamers

melta guns

[terse idol]

Relic sword i guess

[crude fiber]

Melee

[pastel yew]

plasma guns I guess technically

[pastel pumice]

He said melee

Silly

[pastel yew]

ohh

I missed that

uhhh

[terse idol]

It technically "heats"

[pastel yew]

I mean there's a few in the dark heresy source books

[viral nacelle]

i wish theyd change psword to heat mechanics

[pastel pumice]

And technically you can gunbash with your flamer

[pastel yew]

theres a torch you can use as a melee weapon

that has a single use heavy flamer shot in it

[terse idol]

Psword would just work better once they fix the "turn off charge on hit"

Bug

It reeeallly needs its own niche

[magic trout]

https://tenor.com/view/lock-and-loaded-machine-gun-lets-do-this-throwback-angry-gif-14840322

And chaingun

[terse idol]

I feel like making it like the relic sword could be stepping on toes

You may need a full rework

[tall torrent]

Nah, it’s a good mechanic

Keeps the weapon in check

[terse idol]

Need to rework it

[hollow ibex]

wouldn't mind the charge turning off if they reworked it to be like relic blade

[pastel yew]

chain shotgun..

[tall torrent]

I don’t think they’ll be looking at a veteran power sword rework very soon

[hollow ibex]

actually does relic blade turn off if you're hit? 🤔

[tall torrent]

If anything a bunch of other weapons need rework/buff

[pastel yew]

especially given they have a solution and specified they wont use it

[tall torrent]

No

[pastel pumice]

No it doesnt

[terse idol]

Dclaw mfing maybe the shovels

The chainsword

[hollow ibex]

oh lol

[pastel pumice]

Stays on till overheat or the user turns it off themselves

[pastel yew]

I dont actually really think the powerswords issue is how it functions though

its that its base charged hit count is 1

remove power cycler

just set it to 3

[tall torrent]

Nah

[ocean idol]

lmao

[tall torrent]

Set it to 2, remove power cycler

[ocean idol]

powersword already probably best melee weapon in the gmae

[terse idol]

I'm in the thought process that alot of our beginning weapons before they released new ones suffer from fs's old design mentality before they got better at making new weapons

I hooope

[pastel yew]

I'm fine with 2

[terse idol]

To see more reworks

[ocean idol]

If you do that, it will be ev en better

[pastel pumice]

Based charge hit amount should be 2, with PC it should be 4

Adding 1 extra charged hit would make the weapon more appealing

[pastel yew]

I mean it's not the best melee in the game though, its not even the best 0 melee investment melee in the game now that ds is here

[ocean idol]

I want Devil claws to be a bit better

and ESPECIALLY chswords

[terse idol]

I'll also continue to say, v2 weapon design was way easier than now but FS is getting better

[tall torrent]

Nah, remove power cycler entirely, give base weapon 2 energized swings

[viral nacelle]

There is a lot of jank with psword/thammer that the relic blade simply doesn’t have

[terse idol]

Ie the relic sword

[pastel yew]

no matter what power cycler has to go

such a stupid blessing

[ocean idol]

DS is not good against hordes, while PS is good against everything

[terse idol]

Just bake it in

[pastel pumice]

Hmm, power cycler removed or substituted @tall torrent

[viral nacelle]

No way

[pastel yew]

and yet the ds is still the better weapon of the two

[pastel pumice]

I cant think of a good blessing to replace power cycler

[viral nacelle]

Psword is good but not great

[terse idol]

Maybe they're planning a weapon rework for vet and that's why we didn't get weapons last cycle

[pastel yew]

sunder

[pastel pumice]

No like

A totally new blessing

[tall torrent]

Remove entirely

[viral nacelle]

The damage output is solid but needing to constantly bang the switch is an ass pain

[pastel yew]

power sword is just a really good no investment all rounder

[ocean idol]

Arguable

[pastel yew]

itd be only you arguing that

[terse idol]

2 tap on crushers

Yipee

[viral nacelle]

And the fact that it has incredibly janky charge holding also sucks

[pastel pumice]

@tall torrent hmmm

[ocean idol]

Yes i would

[terse idol]

Stab pogryn head

Dead

Stab cs mouth

[pastel yew]

I doubt youll find anyone to agree with you though

[terse idol]

Dead

[pastel yew]

power sword is pretty good

its a strong weapon

but ds is ludicrous

[pastel pumice]

Shovel is meta

[terse idol]

DS feels so good

[pastel yew]

shovel is S tier giga broken real

[ocean idol]

I don't like shovel for being shovel

[pastel pumice]

Shovel meta for fun

But it does hit like a wet noodle

[ocean idol]

It can 2-shot crushers

and 1-shot mutants

[pastel pumice]

My goat

[tall torrent]

So cringe

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[pastel pumice]

Slowly shoving DS to the side

Exploring the Dclaw and Heavy sword more

[tall torrent]

DC sword would be nice if it did any semblance of real damage to flak in cleave distribution

[pastel pumice]

Easy top 5 if it did?

[tall torrent]

Nah

[pastel pumice]

Damn

A solid 7 then

[tall torrent]

B tier at best still

[pastel pumice]

Whats A tier if top 3 is S

Wouldn't Psword and Chainaxe be A?

[tall torrent]

Why would chainaxe be A

[pastel pumice]

The caxe, but it revs

[hearty panther]

sex appeal

[pastel pumice]

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s not remotely similar in damage

[ocean idol]

you could say

Khorny appeal/

[pastel pumice]

Mmm

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/emotional-cry-teary-eyes-tears-of-joy-gif-13753843102543043676

[ocean idol]

Actually it kills elites way faster

[pastel yew]

chain axe is like

🤏 this fucking close

[patent rapids]

Chainsword is S because that sounds makes me want to do mass murder of heretics in the name of Khorne. Whoops I mean skull for the emperor's throne blood for the human god or whatever

[pastel yew]

to being so satisfying

[pastel pumice]

Then you'd rank Chainaxe C tier?

[pastel yew]

it just needs a little quality of life loving

[ocean idol]

Disagree

chaxe is great

[pastel pumice]

Isn't it only useful for boss dps

[ocean idol]

what is close to being satisfying is your mom chsword

[pastel yew]

it feels like absolute dogshit without attackspeed

[patent rapids]

Nah it's fine ish against hordes

[pastel yew]

and even with attack speed it feels like it should at base

it's elite ttk is great

[ocean idol]

Well don't take it without attack speed

[pastel yew]

it's anti carapace is good but completely outclassed

[patent rapids]

But still combat axe > chain

[pastel yew]

just give it base attack speed so you're not hard locked into ws if you wanna use it

[tall torrent]

Chainaxe kills single elites much faster than combat axe but kills groups slower which requires u to use other resources (grenade/VoC) for stagger

It’s worse horde clear than combat axe because it’s hard limited by the cleave damage distribution cap of 4 targets (it’s very dumb)

It’s actually a little worse unyielding dps than combat axe against bosses

[ocean idol]

btw, how you get 35% attack speed on v et?

+10% from that one node, +15% from weapon spec

[patent rapids]

Is shock maul good btw? Kinda was thinking about trying it

[ocean idol]

and other 10%?

[tall torrent]

Blue stim is 15%

[narrow frost]

WS is 15

[pastel yew]

honestly the unyielding damage on all the chain weapons is grim

like its not awful

[narrow frost]

or is it 10?

[pastel yew]

its good damage

[pastel pumice]

@tall torrent Ah, so Chainaxe easily worst option out of most melees for Vet then

[pastel yew]

its just so slow to apply

[tall torrent]

EV15 is good at it but that’s about it

[ocean idol]

which is why you really should take good anti-hoprde ranged weapons with it, like vraks iag

[pastel yew]

I pray for a rework to rev attacks

[tall torrent]

I don’t think it’s worst, I think it’s a situational pick that’s hardcore limited by the cleave damage distribution cap

[pastel yew]

;-; why are you shooting horde with autogun

this makes me

the big sad

[tall torrent]

Cleave damage distribution cap is a horrible mechanic in its current implementation

[dry galleon]

I like it but the stun special attack feels a bit gimmicky, at least on havocs.

[ocean idol]

Both newer chaxe and newer evi are great at boss damage

[pastel pumice]

Mmm, alright, you'd think chain weapons on this game would have more cleave potential

[pastel yew]

good* I wouldnt say great

[tall torrent]

It should be on duelling swords & knives, not on chainaxe / Evicerator / bully club

[ocean idol]

Vraks literally made for horde clear?!

[pastel yew]

also that damage is easily interrupted

[pastel yew]

is that the one with 1 target of cleave

[ocean idol]

Literally only t-hammer and may be DS are better

[pastel yew]

I though that was old columnus

[pastel yew]

thunder hammer is about the same

ds is bnetter

[terse idol]

I mean

Rashad

[ocean idol]

Vraks is the one with highest rate of fire

[pastel yew]

rashad is I think still faster

[tall torrent]

Duelling sword’s boss damage is massively overestimated (because of zealot’s talents)

[pastel yew]

knife is definitely faster

power sword is faster

[tall torrent]

For veteran, chainaxe is not the fastest

[pastel yew]

so even just of the top weapons thats dueling sword, combat blade, rashad, and power sword

all faster

[ocean idol]

Wat

no

[terse idol]

Yeah

[pastel yew]

wat, yes

[terse idol]

[pastel yew]

even with a rev attack one shot

they're faster

[ocean idol]

You all nitpicking and biased, therefore i win, bye-bye

[tall torrent]

Nah rev atk 1 tap is faster lol

[pastel yew]

brother what

[tall torrent]

But if you’re looking at a boss 1v1

[pastel yew]

how is it nitpicking

[tall torrent]

Chainaxe is not as good as those weapons

[ocean idol]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-stickfigure-not-affected-gif-14391548

[tall torrent]

I think rev damage ticks are not good rn because it’s all loaded onto the finishing tick

[pastel pumice]

@tall torrent Should make a tier chart lol

[pastel yew]

there's no way...

[pastel pumice]

If you havent already

[tall torrent]

When it really should be a lot of damage spread evenly between ticks

[tall torrent]

I made one in my guide a while back

[pastel yew]

bingo, instead it works like fucking

[ocean idol]

OR, listen to me

[pastel yew]

power swords

force swords

[ocean idol]

make +16 stakcs of bleed b aseline, and not a blessing

[pastel yew]

even

[pastel pumice]

Oh I guess I didnt see it

I'll look again

[crimson wyvern]

Why do classes put one arm behind their back while using the dueling sword? There's no judges or competition judging you for bad form, are they stupid? Use your other arm coward

[pastel yew]

16 stacks of bleed baseline sounds.. alittle intense

[ocean idol]

Use it for what?

[pastel yew]

though it'd only really affect bosses

since you're one shotting everything else

I guess it means you can drop rev

and still deal damage

but why do that when you can just fix the rev...

[crimson wyvern]

a gun 8)

[tall torrent]

Would be nice as well, but I think that should stay a blessing
Instead make chainaxes’ base damage for mixed horde & horde clear better so you can afford to not run 2x strength blessings and still kill them about as good

[ocean idol]

I take thrust on the newer chaxe

[pastel yew]

thrust on new chainaxe is fun

but it does harm your horde clear

I run it also

[stoic thorn]

New chainaxe?

[pastel yew]

the mk12

[stoic thorn]

There's been a new chainaxe?

[pastel yew]

I think

there used to be only the other shitty one that sticks on lights

[stoic thorn]

I stop playing darktide for a singular day

[pastel yew]

not new new

just

[stoic thorn]

And there's a new chainaxe

[pastel yew]

new as in not base game content

[stoic thorn]

Oh

What

[pastel yew]

I dont really think we need another chainaxe mark

[stoic thorn]

In the files new

[ocean idol]

YOU ARE OTHER SHITTY ONE

OLD CHAXE IS GREAT

REEEEEEEEEE

[pastel yew]

no as ... as in its in the game useable... it just wasnt in the game at launch

[crimson wyvern]

chax feels great but horde clear feels like dog doo sadly i agree

[pastel yew]

its a "new" weapon, but not a recent addition

[stoic thorn]

Oh

[pastel yew]

new compared to the other SHITTY chainaxe

dog chainaxe

[ocean idol]

[pastel yew]

with its sticking on lights

[ocean idol]

I

WILL

EAT

YOUR

ASS

[pastel yew]

AAAAA

[pastel yew]

short 🫵

[ocean idol]

Tall enough to reach your ass

all i need

[pastel yew]

idk like the old chainaxe just doesnt feel as satisfying

when it was the only one

yeah I can see liking it

[ocean idol]

i still prefer it

[pastel yew]

but everything about the mk12 is so much more fun..

thats wild to me

[ocean idol]

And lights are super satisfying

[pastel yew]

but you could be doing that with better heavies

[ocean idol]

Lights on 12 feel like you waving a metal bat aroudn

[hollow ibex]

both chainaxes are fun and similarly mediocre tbh

[pastel yew]

soon.

chainaxe will get its time in the sun

small quality of life buffs

it just needs its slight annoyances ironed out

its already a pretty good weapon

[hollow ibex]

they're either good chain weapons, or good normal weapons

[ocean idol]

You are similary medoicre 😤

[hollow ibex]

can't have both lol

[pastel yew]

;-;

[hollow ibex]

im fun tho

[ocean idol]

Chsword needs buffs

[crimson wyvern]

chainsword does kinda feel like poop

[ocean idol]

it does not even feel like chsword

[pastel yew]

chainsword having better elite kill speed would be nice

it's always going to be unusable tier for me though as it cant kill carapace and isnt fun enough to justify that

like the heavy sword

[ocean idol]

i think it should work kinda lke chswords work in Cyberpunk

[pastel yew]

it's just a horde clear weapon

[ocean idol]

HOld special button to charge the rev

which gives you additional damage/cleave/bleed whatever

The longer you hold, the longer you can use it

new unique mechanic

kinda reverse of what relic blade has

[pastel yew]

the veteran approaching menacingly, revving their chain weapon

honestly I dont really like the chain activations much as is so

a complete rework would be aight

I vastly prefer how the chaxe does it

with it sticking on some attacks

it feels way more fluid and.. like you're using a chain weapon

[crimson wyvern]

Definately, which is crazy cause Chax used to be a joke

[pastel yew]

I mean many would say it still is

I dont think it really got that many giga buffs

I cant member

[crimson wyvern]

Being able to one shot most things with thrust with it is a little too good to be considered a complete meme.

And no one give me the "Anything with thrust will one shot anything"

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean that's fair but again its still just slower than other weapons and comes with a lot of costs they dont

[marsh shard]

Chaxe mk4 is goated

[pastel yew]

like combat blade is gonna get there way faster

and be two shotting with uncanny stacked

[dry galleon]

What's the dumpstat on heavy swords?

[pastel yew]

or two heavy + light with a crit

on any of those attacks

[marsh shard]

The mk4 chaxe's light attack hit like a mack truck on literally everything

[pastel yew]

idk it's like the thunderhammer to me

it's in a pretty good spot

its just the game is not well balanced

[rustic beacon]

Whoo, after only 300k

[pastel yew]

in an ideal world all weapons are chain axe levels of strong

good strengths, reasonable weaknesses to offset

[marsh shard]

The issue with chaxe isnt the rev

[pastel yew]

I mean it's definitely the rev but it's horde clear too

is a bit too punishing for how slow it is

the revs more annoying than anything else

does good damage

[marsh shard]

The horde clear is ass yeah

[pastel yew]

just little quality of life changes is all it needs

[marsh shard]

But the auto rev is enough on the mk4

[ocean idol]

well giving thrust to DS is basically downgrading it, so

[marsh shard]

The mk4's lights are ridiculously strong vs single target

[ocean idol]

just use ranged to deal with horde

[pastel yew]

crusher one taps are funny tho

[marsh shard]

If you like using range to deal with horde you are playing wrong class

[pastel yew]

just use grenades

you have fucking

infinite of them

the two regen talents are so wild in auric maelstrom and havoc

some fights you use your nades and literally just have them all back from good rng

[crimson wyvern]

Consider tho, the hidden stat of the Catachan Blade of that huge rush of dopamine for timing your parries correctly. 🤔

[pastel yew]

the parry window is huge though

[marsh shard]

Devils Claw 1 shots crushers on Crit

[crimson wyvern]

THE PERFECT PARRY KIRA

GET OUTTA MY SIGHT

[pastel yew]

AAAAAA

[marsh shard]

Yeah the perfect parry is .2 secs

[pastel yew]

I thought there was no "perfect" parry

I was explained its just the counter attack

[marsh shard]

The only payoff is bcr

[pastel yew]

0.2s is fucking 12 frames

thats a huge window

12 frames at 60fps

[ocean idol]

iam doing fine

[marsh shard]

Either way, critical headshot 1 shots a crusher

[crimson wyvern]

Which is the coolest most anime thing ever you can do in Darktide

[ocean idol]

It is impossibel to time it incorrectly, except against crushers

[marsh shard]

On malice

[pastel yew]

I mean I can imagine in auric it doesnt matter because infinite ammo but

[crimson wyvern]

this tiny little catachan blade taking a crusher on

[ocean idol]

on your mom

[pastel yew]

in havoc with 25% pickups... is that not just gonna run out and be worthless

[ocean idol]

i play Auric exlusively

[pastel yew]

+inflated health

ah I see

impossible to run out of ammo in auric really, loads of people just straight up waste ammo

rather than give to team

"what if my ammo icon turns yellowww!!"

[ocean idol]

Does it have higher ammo spawn rate?

[pastel yew]

in auric?

[marsh shard]

"Devils Claw cant fight armor" is such a 2022 take.

Ever since patch 13 its been able to 1-2hko crushers pending on whether or not you crit

[pastel yew]

I think havoc has the same number of bags

but the ammount they give is -75%#

and the ammo crates are also reduced

[ocean idol]

is it not only for zealot with ult/

[pastel yew]

is this using the parry?

own up

there it is

there parry is not a reliable source of carapace clear in tense situations

[crimson wyvern]

I use impact blessings on my catachan for the amazing control, and to be hipster

[pastel yew]

its also reactive

not proactive

possible? yes. good? absolutely not

[marsh shard]

Its targeted

[ocean idol]

i never tried using stagger affecting blessing

[pastel yew]

you need to get hit to trigger the parry counter

[ocean idol]

not even once

in all 700 hours

[crimson wyvern]

all the chip damage you might have took from hordes is now gone with the impact/stagger stuff.

People will tell you they just never take chip damage but they do, dont listen to them

[marsh shard]

It has a massive window, anything within 360° swings at you it triggers the parry and you annihilate whatever is in front of you

[pastel yew]

tbf you can negate this yourself by just looking out for the enemies that can bypass toughness, the brusers

[pastel yew]

again, you need to be hit and it's slow

[crimson wyvern]

This is a 4head take I'm sorry

[pastel yew]

and then you need to weakspot hit

[pastel yew]

;-;

o- okay

it's only the bruisers that are bashin ya!!

[crimson wyvern]

You can play really really well, but if you're always controlling the horde by staggering them all the time you can just not...make your life harder than it needs to be.

There's nothing wrong with Shred / Wrath, I just...I don't see the huge beneficial difference I can feel in my killing power like I can with the control

im already slicing hordes really well with just catachan being itself

[tame lodge]

Not a 2022 take

It has dog shit flak adms

[pastel yew]

is the flip side of this though that speed of killing is also a type of control? because the things infront of you often are not your only problem

[crimson wyvern]

(Also I don't like the new thing I found out about Shred / Wrath losing itself on just one missed swing ugh)

[tame lodge]

As in basic

Numerous

Armor

[pastel yew]

man before they nerfed zealot crit cooldown

the devils claw was so good

insane weapon

fury of the faithful every few seconds

constant zealot screaming

[crimson wyvern]

Speed to kill IS a type of control I guess? But I don't think Wrath / Shred is pushing that barrier to the point where you're now safe over the control of staggering stuff around you, I genuinely not taking the chip or feeling horde be a problem anymore and I can focus my attention on the hordes elites / specialists hiding amongst it

but it is just different strokes for diff folks

[marsh shard]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxPNPyEjA5VvuaTwhsgqB78A78wlqMajLn?si=QnpZyhypK3WfvBk_

[crimson wyvern]

Just experiment is all I'd say to anyone, just cause people shit on it, try it anyway. Be zainy and have fun with all the blessings you never tried

[pastel yew]

drop wrath for rampage

more stabby stabby

[crimson wyvern]

(hitting atleast 3 enemies) 😦

I KNOW thats great in hordes

[pastel yew]

also if you want a cleave blessing why not just use uhhh

the other one

the better one

sure its not AS much cleave but its constantly active and doesnt need to build or drop

I'm also not sure how much difference that ...

wait

no

it IS the same amount of cleave

[crimson wyvern]

sorry, can I know the intension of the video?

was that supposed to be slow or?

is that sarcasm

[pastel yew]

no one is doubting its good against ragers

[marsh shard]

Sarcasm

[pastel yew]

now do that against mix horde trying to kill crushers

and tell me it's reliable carapace clear

[crimson wyvern]

Any weapon is going to struggle in that scenario

[pastel yew]

nah not really

[crimson wyvern]

Name one

[pastel yew]

rashad is chilling, dueling sword n knife are chilling

powersword is maybe chilling depending on how good you are

[marsh shard]

Crusher (the weapon), rashad, ds and knife

[pastel yew]

though if you play it safe n just go for horde ignoring crusher ig thats safe too

[crimson wyvern]

Rashad ? Were talking about the combat axe right?

[pastel yew]

mhm

[crimson wyvern]

doesnt that get stuck on the horde all the dang time?

[pastel yew]

you have push attack to stagger ragers

and easy overheads for carapace

[marsh shard]

Crusher (the zealot weapon) absolutely claps in that scenario

[pastel yew]

so theres no chance of your hits being absorbed by some shit muncher

[crimson wyvern]

What I been using if anyone wants to test it for a game.

Its genuinely comfy

[pastel yew]

yoo max impact

[crimson wyvern]

(running auric / maelstroms)

[pastel yew]

I mean if its working for you

and its fun

[hollow ibex]

if you don't build it right, it's fucking terrible. if you build it right, it's the best melee weapon for vet.

[pastel yew]

do it

also yeah the combat axe is real finicky