veteran-class

[willow furnace]

thats two votes for th is one

[hollow ibex]

tanner
🤮

[wooden stirrup]

Alright what's your favorite combat axe setup

[willow furnace]

it wont make a difference for me but at least by using the best build i can PROVE i am the STUPIDEST PLAYER

[empty root]

Is he not good

[deep bone]

Vet has a lot better Guns then Melee

Tanner isn’t bad

[empty root]

He has a video claiming world first havoc 40

[hollow ibex]

he's very good at pretending he knows shit

[wooden stirrup]

I like some of tanners videos, helpful advice, but he does have a nails on chalkboard voice

[wanton dawn]

Meta was bm headtaker unarmored flak me think ? Can OS all trash on weakspot and good against big stuff

[hollow ibex]

and then people come here with the "info" they "learned" from his video

and it's always fake news lol

[wooden stirrup]

alright

Which marks?

[empty root]

What is he doing wrong and who's a better vet

[willow furnace]

karl tanner?

[wanton dawn]

Rashad ? Dunno new name

[hollow ibex]

ok not always, but even a broken clock is right twice a day

[tall torrent]

He’s an ok player but he really doesn’t know that much lol

[willow furnace]

the original knife stealth build vet

[tall torrent]

Rashad mk3 combat axe

[willow furnace]

who is the best one

theres always a winner

[wanton dawn]

I claim to be the king of france

[willow furnace]

just everyone agree on the winner

why cant you just agree?

[tall torrent]

Nah

[willow furnace]

these people should just fight eachother irl

all things in life should be decided that way life should be constant puglism

[empty root]

I don't get it. I don't like his videos they are way too long and he argues with himself, but I would consider him one of the top players purely based on the fact that he did world first havoc 40 in like 24 hrs

[narrow frost]

He didnt

funny thing

[hollow ibex]

he did the world's first havoc?

according to whom? himself?

[willow furnace]

who did?

[empty root]

He claimed it on youtube

[tall torrent]

Playtesters did it way before him lmao

[empty root]

Unless I am thinking of someone else

[tall torrent]

There were playtesters soloing havoc40 before him

[hollow ibex]

yeah i mean, not surprising.

[willow furnace]

answer me you fucking coward

[wanton dawn]

Well, I did 120 crushers without ranged in less than 2min on psy first

[willow furnace]

coward fuck

[tall torrent]

<@&735928989146939404> can y’all help the situation here

[willow furnace]

coward fuck

[willow furnace]

I was the one insulted and spit on for asking a question

fucking cliques

[empty root]

Tanner lindenberg or somethjng

World first havoc 40

[tall torrent]

Tanner wasn’t first, and whoever was first was a playtester that’s under NDA

[empty root]

I am assuming he means after it went live

[wanton dawn]

Sounds like those first to max lvl on wow extension release

[narrow frost]

He had someone in the team with the Havoc 40 title

That was funny

[tired ember]

What's up?

[wanton dawn]

That's a riot

[empty root]

Well I will avoid his youtube channel from now on

[tall torrent]

Bob had some issues

[empty root]

Who are actual good youtubers or do they all suck

[tall torrent]

Don’t bother with Darktide youtube, there’re better sources for info elsewhere

[empty root]

Here?

[tired ember]

Yeah there's no need for this chief, please take it easy

[empty root]

Youtube bad, gameslantern bad

[tall torrent]

I can basically promise you my guide (pinned here) explains more than almost every DT YouTuber lol

[narrow frost]

Just about every good darktide players doesn't make content

[hollow ibex]

for YT i only follow telo and ryken atm

telopots is mostly just twitch streams

[wanton dawn]

Here we constantly one up another so humility is forced upon us through constant struggle

[wooden stirrup]

Wasn't he one of the first people to finish havoc 40 though?

[empty root]

Yea but If I want info where do I go

[solar monolith]

Chat is +maniac +elite a bad idea on the plasma gun

[hollow ibex]

ryken does some mechanics research, which is more than most YTers, but his builds are mostly thematic

[solar monolith]

I just hate ragers

[tall torrent]

Nah, he had a player on his team with h40 title while he’s doing that

[tall torrent]

Depending on your talents, no

[fiery ingot]

I enjoy Mr.Muggsy

[wanton dawn]

Well, it still works with "one of the 1st"

[tall torrent]

Watch the top pinned video you might learn smth

[empty root]

For argument sake, what's wrong with tanners plasma gun/DS4 build on gameslatern

[dark flower]

reginald

[wanton dawn]

@formal lake soloed most of h40 but he is still bad (i did not show it but i still resent you for that sunder taunt the other day)

[solar monolith]

Oh huh neat

[wooden stirrup]

Mister E

[narrow frost]

lol

[empty root]

I clutched mister E in a random auric game

[marsh shard]

DT youtubers are shit

[wooden stirrup]

I'm about to get ratioed aren't I?

[wanton dawn]

In any case, we dont really watch dt youtube here

[dark flower]

a guy with the exact same opinions and behaviors as another really bad player...

💀

[tall torrent]

He’s missing 1 breakpoint for plasma (Dreg Shotgunner 1HS, unyielding is mostly wasted for plasma) and duelling sword is usually best used with a build that doesn’t take bottom right side talents at all (because it takes so little investment to work properly)

If you’re going bottom right side for weapon specialist, combat axe / power sword both scale a lot better

Red nodes are very helpful for burst dps on veteran to match enemies’ health increase in havoc

[dark flower]

no bring it down is pretty cursed imo

[tall torrent]

Nah, BID is not required for havoc usually

It’s a good pick but less mandatory

[tall torrent]

He might be the worst

[dark flower]

not taking the free 25 tgh node either in favor of weapon specialist.. with dueling sword + plasma...

[wooden stirrup]

He seemed pretty decent

[tall torrent]

I’ll give u 1 simple tip on how to identify if someone knows what they’re talking about

[dark flower]

insanity in a build

[tall torrent]

If they rank ogryn’s bully club above the worst tier possible in a tier list

You can safely disregard all their opinions basically forever

[marsh shard]

I watch dt youtubers, but even the best are several tiers below what other popular games have.

Even vermentide has ChocoB, jsat, Party Knife, etc... that either 1) Have god tier gameplay or 2) Go in-depth on the pros/cons of everything and provide reasoning behind decisions + numbers needed to hit necessary breakpoints.

And tide games are 99% breakpoints. Not a single darktide youtubers goes into depth on them

[wooden stirrup]

It's atleast a solid C tier

No reason not to just pick shield or pickaxe

[tall torrent]

Nah, whatever is lowest is where it deserves

[wanton dawn]

What if i dont play ogryn ?

[dark flower]

i simply point to reginald again

[wooden stirrup]

But it's not the worst ogryn melee

[marsh shard]

He does not go in depth on bps

[wooden stirrup]

The honor goes to the power maul

[tall torrent]

I wish that wasn’t the case

[marsh shard]

And again, bps are 99% of tide optimization

[tribal matrix]

breakpoints matter less in dt because u usually have so many active buffs. Not saying they don't matter, but they definitely don't matter as much.

[empty root]

Aren't breakpoints more complicated that just testing in psykarium due to external buffs and havoc enemy buffs

[tall torrent]

Good news that havoc throws most breakpoints out of the window

[wanton dawn]

Oh no, you've awaken the beast

[dark flower]

breakpoints -almost- haven't mattered for multiple patches

havoc renders them moot almost entirely because of everything having buffed everything.

[tall torrent]

Nah

On veteran they do matter

[dark flower]

in what world

lmfao

[tall torrent]

On like psyker they don’t matter much

[dark flower]

IN WHAT WORLD

LMFAO

[wanton dawn]

Here they go...

[hollow ibex]

calculating psyker breakpoints 💀

[tall torrent]

Plasma? Axe? Do you not know?

[dark flower]

are we playing the same darktide

[hollow ibex]

just forget it on psyker lol

[wanton dawn]

I guess that work

They all went silent or smth

[tough tiger]

Nothing like a good schizo meme to defuse the situation

[marsh shard]

Psyker aint worth calculating bps on. Every staff should run 5% crit chance perk, the same 2 blessings, and the other perk should be incredibly obvious to everyone here

[dark flower]

i'm flabbergasted by some of the shit i read here

[tall torrent]

You can say breakpoints don’t matter much for havoc and I’d agree

[tough tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-cat-shock-shocked-flabbergasted-surprised-gif-6472373116831647779

[wanton dawn]

Oh no, it was just a temporary setback

[tough tiger]

Thank you flabbergasted cat

Truly the savior of general chat

[grand perch]

stealth knife zealot joins havoc
does the ready-unready thing during setup
he starts running off immediately and i start votekick
it doesnt pass
he triggers DH and leaves, we wipe

who could have foreseen this turn of events?!

[dark flower]

Whack

[empty root]

Havoc level 25?

[grand perch]

nah 34 or so

[empty root]

Stealth is rough in havoc

I like the idea, the easy saves and objectives

But people get themselves into trouble separating from the group

[grand perch]

yeah nah guy was just griefing

[oblique totem]

I thought the DH only went after the one that woke it?

[tall torrent]

If the targeted player leaves, daemonhost targets someone else until that newly targeted player is dead

[oblique totem]

Lovely

[hollow ibex]

yup had that happen to me

ogryn purposefully triggers DH

leaves immediately

DH kills me

he returns, completely unharmed

idk if the most recent patch fixed this sort of behavior

i reported him, but fatshart won't do shit

[tough tiger]

Cant keep a sigma male down

[peak tree]

Which autogun has the most stagger?

[calm shard]

would be nice if the havoc leaver penalty was present in all auric missions too

[tall torrent]

Shredder autopistol, unironically

But excluding that, the highest would be agripinaa Mk VIII braced autogun

[peak tree]

weird, I don't have a single braced or autopistol on my psyker.

[narrow frost]

@peak tree Dont mind me mission 1 bullet on the scab rager

but only 2 bullets for each

[peak tree]

not too shabby

I'll give that a go for a bit.

I had a feeling thist ab might know better than some, btu this is for my psyker. Running brain burst and dome which doesn't give me many opptions for pushing enemies back.

[narrow frost]

There is a few things you can do

want me to give you a few psyker tips

[peak tree]

I'm always open

Brain burst has been the most fun for me across the three, and man I just hate having damnation+ without the dome, so can't imagine not using it most of the time on a psyker.

[narrow frost]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1162145458114801725

[pastel pumice]

@tall torrent

Looking for a fun/cool Helbore Lasgun kit

Do you prefer the IV or V?

[odd fox]

can you still complete the on overwatch penance by jumping off a cliff?

[dry cloak]

on rolling steel yes

or take plasma and overload

[odd fox]

oh ok, i saw people were doing that but people were also saying that they fixed that exploit recently

i DO NOT want to do it legit

[dry cloak]

also on rolling steel i may add

i helped a guy do it on rolling steel by staying at the start and then he overloaded on plasma spawned near us and got the penance

[odd fox]

oh so its different from"die and have your team complete the mission without rescueing you"?

[dry cloak]

yes

[narrow frost]

yes, it works on any map

[odd fox]

well which of you are correct?

[dry cloak]

both

[odd fox]

ah i see

ill prob be back in here later to get a team to help with that

[tall torrent]

Both are ok

[pastel pumice]

Hmmm

Gonna try the ol' reliable V

We ballin'...

[wanton dawn]

I love wondering why I have so low FPS, checking my graphics settings and seeing a bunch of stuff I always leave on Off activated

Motion blur ? Get that crap outta here I deactivated like 2 years ago

Bloom ? Flare ? Sure I like to become blind during my gameplay

[wicked cedar]

Right so

I farmed twin fails for xp from 0-30 and I've made a build

I'd like feedback on how terrible it is

Since I've literally never played vet before

If anyone's even awake

[calm shard]

huh

[wanton dawn]

Ppl are busy screaming at each other on gen chat

[calm shard]

hey myself included

[wanton dawn]

Yes

Well, realization is the first step to enlightnement

[wicked cedar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1283692507271790644/1324652407086383166/image.png?ex=6778ee30&is=67779cb0&hm=811e1e6b57826a6276cb09eb147cb2fbb5e46b362c9e3f41daa3aad6c8e36793&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1283692507271790644/1324652407648550942/image.png?ex=6778ee30&is=67779cb0&hm=ffb6b5010528724b3ebfc29f48b72894146a649190bcfd3c11f944665e67f623&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1283692507271790644/1324652408059596800/image.png?ex=6778ee30&is=67779cb0&hm=b5763cc554b4aec20cff709f621669bf6c78b2f8b3dc8d7472e554f2d391349e&

knife/shotgun

[odd fox]

anyone down to help me with On Overwatch

[wanton dawn]

Looks fine. Some passing node could be swapped but that your build

Armor pen on right tree, speed aura, and born leader specifically

Smoke also, but it is less about being bad and more about "meta meta meta"

[calm shard]

smokes without grenade tinkerer bothers me

it doubles the duration

[grand perch]

Yeah smokes usually want that

[calm shard]

meaning you can keep an area smoked for 3 minutes straight from the grenade regen alone

[wicked cedar]

kk

[light ridge]

Must login for drama

[grand perch]

Exploit weakness should be the 25 toughness node to the right instead

Also I don't see how the middle tree ends but you probably want to move 2 points from the beginning of the tree (like the 2 point dip into out for blood) into the end of middle tree

Get demo team and bring it down for example

[wicked cedar]

middle tree ends at iron will

what's uhh

born leader

ah i see it

oh i didn't realize i could path through the orange one

mm

if i take kraks.. will i need tinkerer to kill crushers on damn

[calm shard]

don't think so but it makes it more consistent at killing multiple

also better boss damage

[grand perch]

Kraks kill everything in one shot except for bosses, no need for tinkerer... And no idea if the same is true for havoc

[pseudo fiber]

Why deadshot

On db I'm guessing?

[wicked cedar]

i didn't realize weapon specialist crit stacked

i removed it

optimized build

[pseudo fiber]

Melee exploit isn't great

[wicked cedar]

yeah but pathing prevents taking right side tree without fucking myself, no?

[pseudo fiber]

25 toughness usually better but I guess if you're using knife

[wicked cedar]

bc of desperado

[wicked cedar]

boss damage

it'll work nicely with uncanny

ithink

i'll see how it works and if i have toughness issues i can just swap it

[pseudo fiber]

in my opinion
You could go for fireteam over close and kill and save 3 points

Grabbing fully loaded, superiority complex and stam regen or fully loaded, bring it down

[pastel pumice]

would deduct On Your Toes

And put it towards the left tree

[wicked cedar]

mercy killer knife requires serraded blade and agile engagement for a hotswapping build like this would be hard to pass up

let me look at these ones you suggested thoguh

i dont recognize names..

vet nooblet

[pastel pumice]

i show

[wicked cedar]

yo what the fuck

i want this on zealot

[wicked cedar]

does superiority complex hit bps with knife

[real mango]

I like taking lacerate and flesh tearer

[pastel pumice]

With your current build

[wicked cedar]

i guess if i'm taking kraks i dont need uncanny..

[pastel pumice]

Are you 4 shotting Crushers

[wicked cedar]

let me check

o

i'm 3 shotting them

4 if no crit

assuming i have stacks of uncanny (which i should)

[pseudo fiber]

I mean it's a better choice than shock trooper if you're using double bartel

[crimson pebble]

u can also run flechette on db to semi make up for it

[pastel pumice]

I'm 2 shotting Crushers

If I hit a crit

[wicked cedar]

eeeh...

i forget

do crushers count as "Ogryns"

armor types make my head hurt

[pastel pumice]

Yes

[wicked cedar]

neat

[crimson pebble]

think so

[pastel pumice]

Crushers, Reapers and Bulwarks

[wicked cedar]

no fatshark magic

ah wait

[pastel pumice]

Anyone who looks like an ogryn/3x your size

[wicked cedar]

let me test the damage with agile engagement procced

[pastel pumice]

Is an Ogryn

[wicked cedar]

still 3 shotting

[crimson pebble]

cause the rumbler blessing that makes it stick to unyielding and ogryns does work on crushers aswell

[real mango]

Crushers are all carapace iirc? Bulwarks and reapers are unyielding

As well as bosses

[wicked cedar]

yeah but it was "Ogryn"

not uny

[real mango]

ohhh

[wicked cedar]

but fatshark hates me so

[real mango]

ok nvm

[wicked cedar]

i was wondering if it actually meant uny

well lets see here..

[crimson pebble]

technically reapers take dmg from eite, unyielding, ogryn,flak and carapace depending on where hit

[wicked cedar]

if i take their advice I'll lose basically 25% uptime on skills & be forced to drop Mercy Killer which is a net loss since its always proccing on second hit, but precog is still op so it's not huge
and i'd gain 4 points which i could spend onnn...

[sullen jackal]

veteran with only one of those is still a worse zealot, 1s stamina regen delay to 0.75s

[wicked cedar]

20% ogryn damage and 10% rending?

:v

[pseudo fiber]

I ran both for a while (mercy killer then precog) and noticed no different lmfaooo

[sullen jackal]

two of them only gets to psyker level which is difficult to get to while having points for other things

[crimson pebble]

r u trying to build knife double barrel wpn spec @wicked cedar

[wicked cedar]

yeah

since this chat isn't as autistic about breakpoints as zealot is

its a little harder

[crimson pebble]

i assume u want voc

[wicked cedar]

i just don't think 25% total damage + free bleed is worth dropping for 20% ogryn damage and 10% rending, or 15% elite damage

[pseudo fiber]

It can be

[wicked cedar]

@crimson pebble

[tacit sonnet]

Which DS mark is best?

[pseudo fiber]

Ask Path about havoc breakpoints

[pseudo fiber]

4

[wicked cedar]

path is a nerd

he doesn't count

[tacit sonnet]

huh, I assumed it was 2

[sullen jackal]

we're all nerds here

[wicked cedar]

if u listen to dorn he'll say 2

[sullen jackal]

sorry did you think not nerds talked here

[crimson pebble]

infiltrate works rlly well for this setup aswell imo and i wouldnt take kraks unless you just absolutely need to

infiltrate build is absolute point tax hell tho

[sullen jackal]

i like kraks because i don't like other grenades and it trivializes armored enemies

which includes flak armor

[wicked cedar]

being able to nuke a group of crushers isn't exactly a bad thing

[real mango]

the humble shredder grenade:

[wicked cedar]

but i do like smokes

[crimson pebble]

doesnt work on hav40 unless u also have tinkerer

[wicked cedar]

i dont have friends who play havoc 40

i ahve friends who play in malice

:)

[crimson pebble]

nooblr

[wicked cedar]

and im not random queueing h40

noooooope

[crimson pebble]

id still take shredder for ez revives and breathing room

[wicked cedar]

hmm

[crimson pebble]

iv done like 7 and all have been pubs

[wicked cedar]

thats a 1 point tax

what can i drop

[pseudo fiber]

You will play only right tree infiltrate and you will LIKE IT

[wicked cedar]

i could just drop serraded and go for precog

to be entirely honest

but

the bleed really helps mk6 cleave and horde clear

heavy light light

[tacit sonnet]

But why 4 and not 2 exactly?

[wicked cedar]

theres debate about the opening heavy after a parry iirc

ones better but noone wants to agree on which

[real mango]

lacerate and flesh tearer horde clear!!!

[wicked cedar]

ok tanner

[pseudo fiber]

4 has two poke heavies that do a fuck ton of damage and diagonal lights with no strike down which isn't as good on vet as it is on zealot (hence why people like 2 on zealot)

4 and 2 are both fine but I think the 4 edges it out damage wise

[real mango]

Keep in mind though

Mk 5 is fun and slippery

[wicked cedar]

wait a minute

[tacit sonnet]

2 has better horde clear and basically the same heavy if I just spam special

[wicked cedar]

if i take tinkerer i can just take fireteam and get a point

lol

[real mango]

-6 dashes on mk 5 feels like a normal dash on a power sword

[crimson pebble]

u could do this w 1 free point somewhere

this is the build i use tho

[calm shard]

haha crazy that's almost my exact mercy killer knife build

I like using smokes though

[wicked cedar]

ok i think i'm finally done

[crimson pebble]

why would u take the toughness dmg reduction infil node

[wicked cedar]

lemme post it

[calm shard]

it's 50%?

I'm usually using stealth as an "oh shit I just lost all my toughness to shooters"

so I use stealth to get it all back, and then it + iron will means I don't have to worry about them for the next 10 seconds as I stab them all to death

[pseudo fiber]

-90 threat is 100% tdr if you think about it

[crimson pebble]

you get all your toughness back bass line

[calm shard]

I will never once in this game assume that my teammates are not on the very brink of dying

[crimson pebble]

what im saying

[calm shard]

the second that I am not taking aggro from everything

[crimson pebble]

the reduced threat also last 10 secs and they wont be shooting you the entire time

[calm shard]

they will be shooting my teammates that I have zero confidence in the survivability skills of instead

gross

[crimson pebble]

if youre worried about the survival of your teammates play voc

[wicked cedar]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9de0f3dc-1a93-4317-8e6f-362695493ddb/fake-zealot

this is the final product

[calm shard]

no

I like having fun too

[crimson pebble]

marking you down on the brain explosion list

[calm shard]

it's fine I normally play exe stance and just kill every ranged enemy with my gun

[crimson pebble]

why no reciprocity

[wicked cedar]

what is that

idk names

oh

i figured the middle one would be a lil better

[crimson pebble]

it is not

[light ridge]

I will start caring about the survival of my teammates when they stop running off like headless chickens (i.e. Auric Maelstrom & Havoc)

[wicked cedar]

alright

does vet just not have any good cdr sources?

or am i blind

[crimson pebble]

none

[wicked cedar]

bruh

[light ridge]

just the one on elite and specials

[crimson pebble]

only just reg old tdr

[wicked cedar]

where

[unreal nova]

They only get the shoot specials.

[crimson pebble]

granted you can hit something like 90 if you get all of them

[woeful junco]

It has the strongest cdr in the game, Situational Awareness

[calm shard]

in the middle tree where the fuck else would it be

all of the good vet shit is middle tree

[light ridge]

Tactical Awareness in the middle tree

[crimson pebble]

oh

im dumb

[wicked cedar]

okie dokie

[woeful junco]

Tactical Awareness right, that one.

[crimson pebble]

i thought u meant something else

[calm shard]

6 seconds per special is also a comically massive number so y'know

works out

[wicked cedar]

so if i voc before killing a couple specialists i'll just have it back up before the gold toughness expires

thats good to know

[calm shard]

mhm

[warm bolt]

Yeah i think the other node that has on specialist kill effect gives like 1 ammo or something

[warm bolt]

Yeah it's kinda bonkers

Luv it though, i love yelling

[crimson pebble]

dog hordes equal like nearly 4 voc uses its insane

[pseudo fiber]

Hunting ground is very fun with vet

[warm bolt]

Local man literally too angry to take damage

[grand perch]

Too angry at those DOGS

[unreal nova]

Epitome of "STUPID DOG(S), YOU MAKE ME ANGRY."

[grand perch]

Furry garden destroying mutts

[crimson pebble]

also the melee hits apply brittleness isnt used a whole lot u might be able to find some breakpoint w it idk most ppl opt for the 25% toughness tho

[wicked cedar]

boss damage

was the only thing i was thinking of

i don't really take enough damage to warrant dropping free boss dmg for 25 toughness

:v

[grand perch]

25 toughness is a lot and exploit weakness is bottom tier for every weapon except arguably tactical axe because it's in a weird niche

You do you but consider switching that

[terse idol]

Especially good for high difficulties

[misty oar]

Bought dark tide finally

So it's been a while since I last played so my build will most certainly need to be redone

Are helbore las gun still good

[pseudo fiber]

They're solid

[misty oar]

Good so just need to change the perk tree

So what's a good perk tree

[calm shard]

I use this for my helbore build (using Mk IV)

if you're not using Mk IV you'll probably want to take agile engagement and drop Superiority Complex and that middle tree toughness node

bayonet a guy for free 25% gun damage

[sullen jacinth]

What's good camo build?

[crimson pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/bleak-it's-bleak-shaking-head-its-bleak-black-and-white-gif-9592734580409210082

[calm shard]

though if you don't like focus you can also drop it for bring them down in midle tree

[sullen jacinth]

I'm stupid like that

[calm shard]

you know what just because of that I'm taking demolition team off the build

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-dear-god-no-god-oh-gif-20904956

I think it's a good build, myself I would make some minor adjustments

[calm shard]

yeah it's tailored to my preference alongside most of the obvious good skills

[warm bolt]

Is exec stand required?

[grand perch]

No but why wouldn't you

[warm bolt]

I like yelling at people

One time we yelled at a plague ogryn to death

[calm shard]

not really but like

it lets you switch to the helbore instantly

rather than having to gently cradle it like a newborn child before flicking its on switch

[mossy roost]

just noticed after finishing a havoc 40, the highest completion this week hasnt updated. is that normal post hotfix?

[steep flower]

I have the same

[pseudo fiber]

Seems to he affecting people at random no idea what it means yet

[steep flower]

Don’t tell me it gonna be like that and reset

[mossy roost]

i suppose the worst that could happen is after reset we get demoted to 39

[steep flower]

‚You did a 40? Nice, back to 20 cause You helped a random’

[mossy roost]

if it knows our current assignment rank i assume it will know our actual level

(hope)

[steep flower]

Doubt

Its Fatshark

[exotic birch]

What is best curio combo for vet

[pallid jetty]

i run 3 toughness

[pseudo fiber]

I run 2 toughness 1 stam

[light ridge]

2 toughness, 1 wound because I'm a noob

[grand perch]

All the more reason to get rid of the training wheel wound curio

[mossy roost]

2 toughness 1 stamina with the holy trinity stats

[manic cloak]

Check the stickied guide for curio recommendations. 2x toughness is normally optimal regardless of build or weapon combination. The last slot is a flex slot between 1x stamina or 1x health.

For all 3, run +20% Damage Resistance (Gunners) as the perk -- you will appreciate this more as you move into higher tier content and high level havocs. For the secondary perk, I'd recommend +5% Toughness.

+4% Combat Ability Regeneration/+12% Stamina Regeneration/+15% Sprint Efficiency are all useful for the final perk slot.

You likely are asking this question as a newer player, but for Havoc 40, 2x toughness, 1x health with toughness, gunner resist, and ability regen is what I've find the most optimal at the moment.

Gunners turn into the most lethal threat and can take you from full toughness/health to downed within a second in Havoc 40, therefore building to counter them will make the runs more consistent and smoother.

In auric damnation, I run 2x toughness, 1x stamina, with gunner resist, stamina regen and sprint efficiency.

[exotic birch]

I am not new around 300h but most of it on Psyker and zelot
Starting vet with friend so I reach all to 30 at least and finish some penances 😉

[light ridge]

I've tried +3 Stam but doesn't make me feel comfortable
Too many times I've suddenly lost my health without knowing why...

[manic cloak]

300 hours is typically considered newer across 'tide games. Most of the experienced players here have 1-2k hours

[rustic beacon]

For breakpoints you want either 2 main health or 1 health and 2 health substats. In combination with 1 sniper res this let‘s you survive a sniper shot when wounded. It also let‘s you survive a specific amount of poxbursters

[manic cloak]

The breakpoint math has so many assumptions behind it to make it optimal, to include a perfect scenario where you take a bunch of burster hits starting at max toughness/health with no gold toughness.

[grand perch]

use +health instead

[manic cloak]

Who is taking multiple burster hits as higher levels of play?

[rustic beacon]

True, especially if you consider that there were already thousands of hours to be gained in vt1 and 2

[light ridge]

I either take none, or 3 at a time

[rustic beacon]

Oh for sure, just wanted to mention it

[manic cloak]

May I recommend push and positioning as the root cause problem and solution to that not occurring? I'm not building my curios around poor gameplay decisions. What I can't mitigate is 100% of inbound gunner damage throughout a 20-40min match.

I.e. Toughness reigns supreme, with 1x health curio to ensure the toughness applies to a solid effective health pool ratio.

[light ridge]

Mostly positioning yes, I seem to find myself in the wrong place regularly

Also pushing having no effect for no apparent reason other than maybe lag

[manic cloak]

In the same relation to newer players running wound curios, I'd say the same logic applies here. Use the down/death as a moment to improve that for next time, and build curios instead to make long-term effectiveness with good gameplay.

[manic cloak]

Yeah there's nothing you can do about Fatshark servers

[light ridge]

I do quite ok on Auric and am starting to feel decent in Maelstrom but I like my +1 wound even though I did notice it might not actually improve my survivability

[pastel yew]

does mf give the helbore new breakpoints?

I''ve not actually done much testing with this weapon yet

mostly because the one I wanna use... the heavy hitting one... has the dogshit melee

why'd they make it so useless

[rustic beacon]

Also consider that toughness or health instead of a wound might prevent you from going down in the first place

[pastel yew]

taking multiple is just an awareness check

[manic cloak]

Most experienced players will not want you to run a wound curio, but obviously do your thing. I'd highly recommend breaking away from it. Planning to go down in the run is not very optimal. I'd much rather my teammates are built to not go down at all.

[pastel yew]

you need to catch em early or there are situations where you're just fucked

since they can distance so you can only shove one, and the second gets detonated by the first on you

just gotta be proactive about spotting then shooting them

or take something like shout

[light ridge]

True, I'm reaching the point where the point where I'm either fine and won't go down, or going down will kill me regardless of the extra wound

[calm shard]

1 shot crushers

[pastel yew]

very interesting

[calm shard]

you need bring it down, marksman, and superiority complex for it though

[pastel yew]

is focus target not enough?

[calm shard]

nope

[pastel yew]

sadge

[calm shard]

it's a lot of damage

[pastel yew]

whats the finesse scaling for ti

it

bah

[calm shard]

back in MY day the helbore just one shot crushers even when you didn't build for it

[pastel yew]

most las weapons are p high

never used it back then I'll be honest

[manic cloak]

Yeah, it requires consecutive miracles for a niche breakpoint value. You won't be one-shotting crushers cosistently throughout the run.

[pastel yew]

not that Ive used it loads now...

honestly the swap speed node is the main thing keeping me interested

[calm shard]

max focus stacks is hardly a miracle

that's 4 headshots

[pastel yew]

the swap speed is so fucking long

[calm shard]

which is nothing

oh also the headshot has to be a crit but you're already running surgical on helbore so who cares really

it's more funny than practical

[pastel yew]

mhm yeah I get you

satisfying to one shot crushers tho

[manic cloak]

You likely aren't prepped for max stacks at the start of a crusher pack appearing, and by the time you hit the value, your teammates have likely already prioritized and cleared half or most of the crushers that were up.

[pastel yew]

eh I mean from my understanding

you wanna swap off of the helbore as little as possible

so as long as you're headshotting at least 1 thing every 6s

you're not losing stacks

not a tall order really

[manic cloak]

I could see this in aurics. I haven't been able to sustain helbore out consistently in Havoc 40.

[pastel yew]

real? I'd argue the opposite honestly

since havoc teams usually play a lot more together and heavy cc

[manic cloak]

Yeah, no way in my experience. I play a 50/50 mix of pre-made and pub Havoc 40 and the melee of the helbore doesn't cut it. There's normally not enough room where I can keep it out for an entire wave without a melee swap being a more efficient clearing option.

[pastel yew]

yeah I guess its gonna depend on comp

psykers seem common though

purgy psykers especially

ngl I'm growing to hate flamer zealots on my team though

like I get why they use it

but that thing just eats through so much ammo

[manic cloak]

I run the standard 2x DS/Flamer Zealot, 1x bubble Psyker/ 1x vet in pre-made.

[manic cloak]

Justifiably so. It trivializes waves in Havoc 40.

[pastel yew]

I mean psyker got the same shit and its freeee

[manic cloak]

It's not as fast in clearing time.

[sullen jacinth]

Can anyone drop me an infiltrator build?

[marsh shard]

Question: What is the stamina delay of the different classes?

[pastel yew]

for what weapons n what game mode

[pastel yew]

yeah

1 second for vet, 0.75 for zealot. 0.5 for psyker

their regen amount is also different but I cant member that

other than zealot is fastest

no idea on ogryn

[marsh shard]

Hmm

[sullen jacinth]

Uhh.
I'm flexible with weapons and any more

[pastel yew]

you can see the values on the gameslantern pages

[sullen jacinth]

Mode*

[pastel yew]

sure then gimme a sec

[marsh shard]

Link?

Nvm found it

[manic cloak]

Stamina Regeneration Delay:

Ogryn - 1.0 sec
Psyker - 0.5 Sec
Veteran - 1.0 sec
Zealot - 0.75 sec

[light ridge]

I'll try a Health curio, Stamina made me feel more squishy for some reason

[pastel yew]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9de14026-f5a8-412a-bfd2-51eede3312ce

this is what I've been running for regular auric

for havoc I drop the keystone to focus more on grabbing grenades n shit

build is super fun though, very aggressive

[marsh shard]

Hmm

[pastel yew]

if you struggle against playing around the horde you could swap the mk3 for the mk6 combat blade

I think generally people say mk6 is best but...

I really prefer the moveset on 3

[pastel yew]

also sorry slow reply was in build editor

[marsh shard]

Alls good

Zealot has a ton of built in resists while dodging, sliding, and sprinting

[manic cloak]

Ew, smoke grenades.

[pastel yew]

zealot giga

[marsh shard]

And has 1.5 stam/s

[pastel yew]

only taking them for points

dont need grenades in auric

[marsh shard]

Vet and psy have 1

[pastel yew]

if you're running infiltrate

you need to go to the opposite end of the tree to grab frags

and if you do that you don't really have many points left

even this set up is already extremely tight with 1 spare for random grenade regen

[marsh shard]

Ye, vets all about spending as few points as possible up top

[pastel yew]

toughness and stamina on ws feels so fucking good

[pastel yew]

unfortunately... there's so little room for mauverability in the tree it sucks

like if you really really wanted frags

you can drop the 30% damage from stealth

and drop grenade regen...

but then you'd have frags with no regen and that sounds p shit as well

smokes at least have niche uses for objectives and revives

main point of the build is zoomin and hipfiring. Cant member the name of the person who suggested the concept to me but I'v'e been hooked on it since. This is easily the most fun build in the game

[thick rose]

if I cleared a higher havoc this week than my assignment, can I drop mine down to get quick completes to chase the 50 and at the end of the week be thrown back up to my peak?

[pastel pumice]

Yes, but make sure it actually registered your 40 clearance

[pastel yew]

yes, thats how it should work

[pastel pumice]

Bugged rn and things aren't registering

[pastel yew]

but the havoc ranks are bugged to all hell

so

I have no idea

[pastel pumice]

But without the bug going around, it works

[thick rose]

yeah last week (with the bug) it ignored my high complete and then dropped me for not doing my assignment down so kinda shy about it all

[pastel yew]

yup its done that to me twice...

[pastel pumice]

I'd be safe and not do it this week

[pastel yew]

and on the first week it knocked my rank from 17 to 3...

then after I played 5 more to get back to 8

randomly set me back to 17

havoc really received the fatshark special seal of quality

spaghetti all the way down

[thick rose]

nice

[sullen jacinth]

Lovely

[marsh shard]

How much health do vets typically run at h40? Base 150?

Toughness and health

[pastel yew]

honestly I've no idea, the logic for getting +x% health seems to fall apart up there but its not really anyhting I've spoke to other people about

your toughness gets gutted too so

it's kinda just shit either way

[marsh shard]

Hmm

[pastel yew]

so maybe double toughness to offset the loss

maybe health still okay so you can tank more corruption

better off asking path probably

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903

full list of conditions for each stage if you wanna peek at the others too

[marsh shard]

That takes you below 100hp

Yeah, youd def want health

Question is how much and how do you get it

3x ability regen is a given

[pastel yew]

I mean really it just seems more important than ever to just never at all get hit at any point for any reason

3x ability regen is okay yeah just so you can more reliably keep perma gold toughness up

but if you have perma gold toughness health doesnt matter

since you cant take chip damage

[unreal nova]

GL with that with the amount of bs running about.

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean fading light has proven a little problematic

mostly because I've built shitty behaviour into my playstyle from being able to bully auric

so sometimes I'll take a really bad trade n get one shot

just need to be more perceptive

at least in all the games I've played I've taken the least amount of damage but

I tend to eat one shots a lot more frequently than others

[marsh shard]

Is toughness damage reduction additive?

[unreal nova]

Heh. I just gamble if things hit me or not. Lag much.

[queen gazelle]

whats sp?

[pastel yew]

nah multiplicative

still good though

[pastel yew]

if you're referring to the vet guide I think it's special attack

[marsh shard]

Aight, I have something to say

Devils Claw Mk7 is top 2-3 strongest weapons in the game

Melee weapons***

[pastel yew]

that will be

quite a hard sell

defensively its top 2-3 for sure

but overall I wouldnt agree as the competition is huge

[steady wolf]

Shock maul #1

[pastel yew]

combat blade, dueling sword, combat axe, power sword are all giga

likely more that I'm forgetting

unfortunately shock maul not #1 even if I wish it was as its cool

well I'd still wish it to #2 >:D since the chain axe exists

[calm shard]

man going from knife weapon specialist build to my helbore build

I feel slow

where speed go

[ocean idol]

Remind me, what aree good bloessings for chsword?

[light ridge]

I like Rampage and Savage Sweeps
Bloodletter helps kill tougher targets

[tame lodge]

Shred then Rampage/Sweep/Wrath

Depending on the Chsword

[pastel yew]

man auric rn really is

fail one dodge lose the game

my past two losses this week have literally just been me dodging into a poxxie like a moron then the team immediately folding

as if I needed further proof people using the ASS title likely cheated it

xd

[pastel yew]

yeah the knife speed is fucking insane...

+0.8 then like 25% average speed on top of that

[ocean idol]

which is which?

[unreal nova]

Or got into games where they got carried maybe?

Just gotta not die, throw frags at hordes and run around not dying while the good players clean up?

[ocean idol]

Also which vigilant autogun is better?

[light ridge]

Sorta makes me feel good that the run goes smoothly until I get knocked out and suddenly the whole run collapses
Makes me believe I may not be completely useless

[marsh shard]

Aight I was wrong, mk7 does not have a different parry. It does have a different parry follow-up though, the same as the mk1

[teal canyon]

Hotshot lasgun when?

i want heavy machinegun forever

braced autoguns arent enough

Just give me slow to pull out but big magasine, big damage braced heavy machinegun

[pseudo fiber]

They're all about equal

[pastel yew]

true though I feel like getting carried 5 games in a row is pretty unlikely with pugs

[pastel yew]

the best n worst part of darktide

bad players means you have more room to doom slayer...

bad players means you get to make exactly one mistake

[unreal nova]

True, but luck based.

[pastel yew]

still think I prefer this to playing with lvl 1k+

[hallow drift]

Fading Light reminds you that you're just a regular human in 40k

Guns become scary again

[pastel yew]

its a good condition

fading light (1) should just be implemented into auric damnation+

it'd make auric damnation have some actual bite without making it too too difficult

[hallow drift]

I could get behind that ye

[warm bolt]

"Dont think that just because the enemy uses stubbers and not lasguns that they're not a threat - after all, it doesnt matter whether a bullet or a lasround pierced through your skull"
-Some astra militarum officer

[ocean idol]

300 more to go

might as well be 3000

do bulwarks and reapers count for that btw?

[keen nova]

Anything kraks can stick to as far as I know

[warm bolt]

I think they do

[vital wren]

I believe Moebian 21st count for it

Flak counts even though it doesn't stick

[unreal nova]

Basically, see scab mooks, toss.

Might be better if you lethal prox bolt pistol for it.

[odd fox]

does the disconnect chees on Make Every Shot Count still count?

[topaz hollow]

The disconect exploits have been fixed afaik

[odd fox]

ah well damn, guess assassination it is

[wanton dawn]

No more 🧀

[odd fox]

i dont get why they kept it out of all the veteran penances that one didnt get redacted? its required to do for the emperor

[pastel yew]

just use a double barrle

you dont need to disconect cheese for this its

very easy

[pseudo fiber]

It's a lot easier with the ability to select fireteam

[pastel yew]

just make sure you dont got survivalist in your game and you're chilling

or ..

I actually dont think the ammo survivalist generates counts?

[odd fox]

i did, dont remember missing at all but still didnt get it

[pastel yew]

I might be wrong

[pastel yew]

weird

I got it first try iirc

I just point blank both barreled enemies the entire game

then played melee

[odd fox]

i can try again, not necissarily an annoying penance just tedious, any vet ready for casual heresy threat should be able to hit their shots

[pseudo fiber]

I got it by accident when the game used to crash all the fucking time at launch (a lot worse than now before you jest)

[odd fox]

i never crash, i kinda wish the disconnect still worked, but alas, suffering breeds purity

[pastel yew]

think the weird part is less the accuracy its more finishing the game with no ammo

it's another one of those penances designed to make you play poorly

[crisp oak]

I first tried it with bolter, hit a shield

Then with plasma only using charged shots

[warm bolt]

Also it requires to not take the node that gives you ammo on specialist kills

I had a run for this penance be ruined cause of 1 round in plasma due to a sniper kill my team did right before extraction

[odd fox]

i got it on my second try with the shotgun hell yeah

[stable socket]

survivalist shouldn't affect the penance as long as you never swap back to the weapon once it's empty? i think

that's how it used to be, anyway - maybe they stealth patched it

[pastel yew]

yo nice!

[pastel yew]

maybe, I have no idea

[odd fox]

i feel like survivalist doesnt compete with the others, 1% ammo is usually nothing even with guns that have 1000 reserve ammo

[pastel yew]

not like its hard to just avoid survivalist anyway

[pastel yew]

it adds up to a huge amount across a game

it gets better the higher the difficulty you play

though really its only in havoc where its super good

since you get way too much ammo on map outside of havoc

both other auras are pretty dogshit too though

5% speed is the best and that's not great

[wanton dawn]

Man, now I understand why psyker is cracked in havoc

[pastel yew]

5% damage is nothing outside of very specific setups for like.. two weapons

[pastel yew]

I mean they bypass most of the shitty conditions everyone else has to deal with

psyker eating good

I guess they still get peril debuffs but ehh

[odd fox]

psyker eating good until they accidentally go down in the middle of a horde they were soloing, and the team they were carrying cant compete

[stable socket]

if the average game is 30 minutes (1800s), and you're fighting and killing specials/elites for 1/4 of the time, that's 450 seconds of killing, which means survivalist will trigger ~90 times for a total of 90% ammo per player

which is a decent amount

[wanton dawn]

Especially in havoc

[pastel yew]

havoc games also go longer and cut your ammo gains from pickups by 75%

[stable socket]

on havocs you're fighting and killing specials/elites A LOT more than 1/4 of the time, and each bag gives you way less ammo

[pastel yew]

and crates to... 33%?

I cant remember

[wanton dawn]

20%

[pastel yew]

woof

thats rough

[wanton dawn]

or 25% ? 25%

cut by 75%

[pastel yew]

outside of havoc though survivalist doesnt matter you have like infinite ammo

[odd fox]

only havoc ive been in (18) i was pretty much only using zealots relic sword and every now and then i would dump a mag from my flamer

[wanton dawn]

I have completed my havoc today with a grand total of... 0 highest havoc reached

[stable socket]

the ammo scarcity gets worse and worse as the havoc levels ramp up

[wanton dawn]

Spaghetti code today

[pastel yew]

dude I

value your bravery

I am not playing havoc till next week

when I know if my progress is tracked

if I keep playing this week and lose even more ranks I will literaly mentally combust and never play again

[odd fox]

wish zealots throwing knives were like grenades where oyu could aim them

[stable socket]

i hit 40 this week... surely they won't roll back the titles?

[wanton dawn]

I am gonna hit -40 next week

[pastel yew]

I mean you aim em before hand but yeah no trail

[wanton dawn]

gonna be fun

[stable socket]

otherwise next week im gonna have the emblem and the title but be clearance 20

[pastel yew]

the titles wont roll back but

actual rank isnt saving properly

and thats what I'm worried about

I've already been scammed out of 7 havoc games

I cant take anymore

8 if the ranks dont set

[hard cave]

gun lugger eating all the ammo

yummy

[pastel yew]

does anyone know if the throwing knives have some degree of auto aim or

aim assist

[stable socket]

i want a just-for-fun mode where mob spawns are scaled up to astronomical levels but you have literally infinite ammo

[pastel yew]

because they feel very very generous

[hard cave]

no

[pastel yew]

auric damnation

[wanton dawn]

that's called havoc with psyker

[hard cave]

just the head hit boxes are generous

[pastel yew]

you cant realy get much higher for enemy spawns

[odd fox]

10 AURIC MISSIONS WITHOUT DYING? o7 jeez

[stable socket]

i want to hold down m1 on my gunlugger when the match starts and never let it go

[hard cave]

uhh

malice high intensity

[wanton dawn]

🫡

[hard cave]

shrimple

[stable socket]

i will try it!

is there more ammo on malice

[hard cave]

god speed

probably

[pastel yew]

hopefully you'l'l only lose 1 rank if it doesnt take

I cant believe fatshark would push such a broken system then go on holiday

(this is a joke, at this point its expected)

basically 0 content all year... right at the end BREAK IT

[wanton dawn]

If I getting an overflow next week am gonna die from laugher

[pastel yew]

havoc 41 unlocked...

[odd fox]

how does havoc work? i dont get what you are talking about

[wanton dawn]

Havoc 4294967295 reached

[warm bolt]

Havoc 40000

[wanton dawn]

Normally havoc goes from level 1 to 40

[hard cave]

Havoc is a end game-game mode where you go through 40 levels that get increasingly more difficult

[odd fox]

yeah what are you guys talking about losing titles?

[wanton dawn]

Except I completed with highest rank 0. Which is not supposed to happen

[midnight totem]

I'm like

[wanton dawn]

Right now when you complete, it does not trak the havoc level properly

[midnight totem]

90 percent sure something similar happened last year

[wanton dawn]

So we don't know what will happen next week

[pastel yew]

me too

I cant remember exactly what though

darktides had a troubled life

could be loads of things

[warm bolt]

Pretty sure it happened in vermintide

[wanton dawn]

Well, i can smell the bug cause

[midnight totem]

Definitely happened in vermintide

[hard cave]

rat tide

[pastel yew]

its kinda wild how simultanously amazing and inept fatshark can be

I love their games but

holy

[midnight totem]

If I had a nickel for everytime Fatshark made a needlessly complicated extra difficult mode and then it got messed up

[odd fox]

all things considered as someone coming back to darktide after a 2 years hiatus there is loads on new stuff

[pastel yew]

I guess the fault probably more lies with people higher in the food chain pushing things at suboptimal times

[midnight totem]

I'd have two nickels

[pastel yew]

if havoc n the ps release came any later they'd have missed krimis

[stable socket]

i hit 40 this week and got the emblem/title, but when i check the "highest assignment cleared this week" thing it still says the highest i've cleared is a 20

[pastel yew]

games in a significantly better state

[stable socket]

so i dunno if next week i'll be 40 or 20, or whether i'll still have the title or not

[pastel yew]

balance is worse though for sure

at least from my perception

theres a lot more just really broken shit

[midnight totem]

Balance is pretty fine

[pastel yew]

not that there wasnt before but it was lesser

[midnight totem]

Except dueling sword

[pastel yew]

idk maybe some of the op weapons are now balanced for havoc

but there are other weapons that are now dogshit for havoc

and in regular play loads of weapons are hillariously overtuned

skill trees too

I really hope havoc doesnt become hardest game mode... gimme difficulty 6

[wanton dawn]

Well, having 75% less ammo regen kinda wrap havoc gunplay

[pastel yew]

the ammo econ across the board is just

fucked

[stable socket]

the increased enemy health makes a lot of breakpoint-dependant weapons suddenly not work

e.g. rashad, revolver are both dicier to run (i think rashad still works in most cases if you have all the melee nodes tho, maybe not against mobian 21st + pox gas damage reduction but you have a psyker for that)

[pastel yew]

honestly I feel the health for enemies in damnation is a good level

its the everything else thats way too easy

only thing I'd maybe change is make carapace a bit more shit

and inflate the health totals for ogryn enemies

but as it stands auric gunners do 0 damage

most enemies are useless... idk

[midnight totem]

Auric gunners do quite a bit of damage

To anybody standing still at close range

As they should

[pastel yew]

I mean

I don't think thats the only time they should do damage

given you should never just stand right infront of an enemy not moving

I said earlier in chat but I think fading light (1) being moved to auric damnation+ would be a really fun change

[formal ocean]

I don't think it's about their dmg as much as their ai and the tools we have to avoid being shot.

[pastel yew]

I mean it can be both for sure

[stable socket]

ranged enemy dps is tripled in havoc, iirc (2.25x more bullets per "shot", 30% faster shooting)

[pastel yew]

but even if you're not moving, non elite gunners do nothing

[stable socket]

and your toughness/health is close to halved so ranged enemy units are roughly 6x more dangerous

[midnight totem]

No, regular shooters, and stalkers do absolutely hurt if they tag you

[midnight totem]

Stalkers especially, they're aggressive

[pastel yew]

I don't think I've seen anyone get downed by a normal gunner like

in memory

poxwalkers more dangerous

[wanton dawn]

Shooter in auric: 'tatatatata". Shooter in h40 'tatatatatatatatatatatTATATATATATtatatatata..."

[pastel yew]

unironically

[midnight totem]

It's just in the majority of cases we get tagged by one or two and instantly react and avoid the others

[pastel yew]

the animation for em is so fucking wild

[midnight totem]

In havoc, that one or two is almost death

[pastel yew]

either way I dont think fading light 1 is that severe

adding that to the games hardest difficulty is totally valid

you cant grind havoc for resources

[wanton dawn]

Good

[pastel yew]

so you choose between a completely different meta, and challenging gameplay

or playing maelstrom/damnation

[pastel yew]

the missions could stand to give a little more currency tho

I'm fine with no plasteel or diamantine spawns

[midnight totem]

I personally dislike havoc because of the drastically limited ammo

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean I agree its a bit intense

especially when you have things to just

ignore it

it makes balance pretty lopsided

[midnight totem]

Like, I'm okay with playing no ammo, with no ammo regen on scab melee maelstrom

[wanton dawn]

Havoc has the same problem as melee maelstrom. The no ammo aspect is kinda arbitrary difficulty

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean... I hope they continue to adjust havoc and listen to player feed back

as some changes n conditions are really fun

and others are not

ammo needed to be cut

I think 50% was like

fine

the fact it jumps to 75% is brutal

[wanton dawn]

Also it is completely bypass by psyker

[midnight totem]

But it's also not a game mode where I might have to tackle a regiment of gunners at range

[pastel yew]

I just want a damnation havoc baby...

with the best from both

also fuck the party finder fr

[midnight totem]

Like, add some havoc modifers to maelstrom

[warm bolt]

I was instagibbed by a firing line of 8 snipers

Actual line infantry tactics

[midnight totem]

And then make a Maelstrom + with x amount of modifers at once

That should've been what havoc is

[pastel yew]

maelstroms are their own mess tbf

[wanton dawn]

Also, I finally understood how head tentacle work when I got instagibbed by a crusher

[pastel yew]

some of them are really fun

[warm bolt]

I really hope they do DRG approach and add difficulty where you can pick modifiers from havoc to add ontop of mission

[pastel yew]

others are really boring

[warm bolt]

With increased rewards and whatnot

[pastel yew]

specialist waves n monstrous are the best

[pastel yew]

that'd be cool

[warm bolt]

Ooo yeah

No lights is interesting but overall doesnt really have much impact it feels like?

[pastel yew]

I'd like lights out a lot more if we just had a universal flashlight

[warm bolt]

And the mutated poxwalkers one was pretty cool

[midnight totem]

I kinda wish ogryn and zealot also had ammo regen abilities

[pastel yew]

not connected to a weapon

[pastel yew]

give everyone survivalist so vets arent pressured into taking it

[midnight totem]

I've suggested them once, zealots have team pick up increased ammo per pickup

[warm bolt]

Rogue trader can only afford a flashlight for specific weapons, not universally

[midnight totem]

Ogryns get to poop out a satchel of ammo once every so often

[pastel yew]

literally impossible yo have a light on out shoulders or attacked at a hip

I also love the idea that like

[warm bolt]

It was forgotten back in the dark age of technology

[pastel yew]

"yeah so the powers out in this area... its indoors so no sunlight. We're gonna send you in with no light source2

[warm bolt]

Also tempestus scions who the scabs are based on have flashlights on their armour as well as horus heresy-era solar auxilia void armour

[pastel yew]

I dont understand why flashlights had to be attached to specific weapons like...

what was the point

[warm bolt]

Extra rashuns but ogryn just remembers he took some ammo

Honestly would be great

[warm bolt]

I feel like they just didnt know what to add to some of them

[pastel yew]

my favourite is vet stealth applying a night vision filter

that makes it harder to see in the dark

[warm bolt]

But then again i get it for recon for example but kantrael could've had a bayonet attached to it

[warm bolt]

[warm bolt]

The Emperor shall guide you in darkness

[calm shard]

it's like getting hit by a boomer in left 4 dead

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-velma-my-glasses-i-cant-see-without-my-glasses-cant-see-gif-8172013472712524267

[warm bolt]

[queen fox]

Any gun with a bash should have a bayonet imo, lucious should have the bayonet alt stance

[warm bolt]

The guard takes everyone afterall, bad vision or no

[pastel yew]

would be nice for some more variety to the ranged weapon specials though

I think having the gunbash is totally fine but

it needs to do giga stagger rather than nothing

like the double barrel

[midnight totem]

Zealots with deliberate eye coverings

"I see with my faith"

[pastel yew]

dashes off the edge of a cliff

[queen fox]

'I see only the light of the emperor'

Wakes dh

[warm bolt]

Ideally we'd get an option to decide whether to put a bayonet on it tbh

But yeah i agree more guns should have them

[calm shard]

how come only shotguns get funky ammo types

it's 40K just about anything that can fit in a bullet has been crammed in one

[dry cloak]

shotguns need a rewrok

[hollow ibex]

DB is fine imo, but yeah combat shotties need a rework

[dry cloak]

yes db is good

[pastel yew]

inferno bolt shells.... 🤤

honestly that could just be a blessing

I guess technically flechette is alternate ammo even though its blessing form

same with puncture

[crisp oak]

I run my kantrael with flechettw

Homestly the special shells should just be loaded by default

[dry cloak]

no

special shells should be a second ammo pool and you can load multiple of them

[crisp oak]

I mean none of the special shells are even any good anymore

They nerfed the fire ones, the shell doesnt even oneshot a gunner