veteran-class

[terse idol]

Or well las weapons

[dry cloak]

its slower harder hitting autogun

something akin to FAL

from other games

[steady wolf]

So would exe stance + focus target be good with it?

[dry cloak]

and then you have collumnus 8 which is nice middle ground

[dry cloak]

yes you can

[terse idol]

support for las weapons

I feel like they're just on-par

[dry cloak]

autoguns are in weird spot that they are good on every biuld

[steady wolf]

f lol

[terse idol]

With some outliers that might make some of the autoguns stand out

Ciag has been real quiet when the recon buffs hit

[dry cloak]

yes i support buff for ilas and helbores

[terse idol]

I think ilas is good

[steady wolf]

Just give helbore can opener

[dry cloak]

that would be vraks mk5

[terse idol]

I'm dead naming the weapon

[dry cloak]

they suffer from from the same condition that vigilant autoguns suffer

[terse idol]

We lost an important flavour when they changed all the mks

[dry cloak]

bolter and revolver exist

[terse idol]

Revolver struggles on high havoc

Because of low magazine size

[dry cloak]

i dont play havoc

[terse idol]

Ilas also has

Ghost

[faint beacon]

Extremely High Finesse values

[terse idol]

Which is REALLY GOOD

[faint beacon]

its literally

can you click heads? Yes?

you will kill a lot of things

its issue is really low Maniac ADM

it needs a buff there and VAs are instantly strong

[serene bough]

Yeah i can see an argument for taking iags for higher dps

But recon w/ shock trooper is something id prefer over it

Esp in a havoc meta

[faint beacon]

You know what the IAG's have that Las weapons dont?

[terse idol]

My point still stands however for magazine size

[faint beacon]

Stripped Down + Duck and Cover feedback loop

where as long as you run you can stall a group of gunners

permanently

[dry cloak]

2/3 are single fire

[serene bough]

I suppose

But id rather shoot em w/ ghost

[terse idol]

Which is fine

[dry cloak]

while 2/3 iiags are automatic

[faint beacon]

Infantry Autoguns

[terse idol]

Which is fine

[serene bough]

Using an ilas

[faint beacon]

are the Automatic ones

Vigilants

are the burst and semi

[serene bough]

But I suppose this is a viable strategy

[terse idol]

Semi auto and auto are just different

[dry cloak]

im refering to lasguns

[terse idol]

Build around ttk vs build around your BP's

[faint beacon]

Las guns are literally just overall extremely reliable and always have really low BPs etc

but they're white bread weapons

so they're very bland

[terse idol]

[serene bough]

Well, im just discussing effectiveness

I dont really find either autoguns or las flavorful weapons

Shoot face kill target

[faint beacon]

Basically if you can put up with the less flavorful ILAGs they're

reliable

very reliable

[steady wolf]

las guns are cool wtf, stuff like IAG are THE white bread of all time

[faint beacon]

IAG and ILAG's are the white breads of the game

[half lintel]

at least they are better than combat shotguns

[formal ice]

Lasguns boring

[steady wolf]

Combat shotgun sucks cuz doube barrel exists

[terse idol]

Manstopper when-

[faint beacon]

special round

WS

lol lmao

[serene bough]

I mean, these are just opinions on personal preference

[steady wolf]

When DS4/rashad exist it's hard to agree

[serene bough]

But as long as we can all play well and effectively then it's great to have various options and playstyles

[faint beacon]

Yeah effectiveness they're still really good, for a long time I used ILAGs in Havoc

then I swapped to Recon to exclusively fuck over Pus hardened enemies

that and good ammo econ

[steady wolf]

Laspiss has that and ghost

[faint beacon]

ILAGs have insane ammo econ though lmao

Laspistol is another good choice

[formal ice]

I don't remember theses being guns

[faint beacon]

• Mobility

I use Knife as my melee in Havoc

Wacky thing called Lac + Uncan

Me when I abuse Rending buffing bleed

[terse idol]

Me as I throw my ds at the enemy

[steady wolf]

erm why lac instead of tearer.. uncanny literally can't lac

[faint beacon]

Mk6 attack patterns

[sleek garden]

my teammates blew up a poxburster in my face while i was in the middle of a horde and it threw me up in the air

[faint beacon]

hit the head and body

so it procs both

[steady wolf]

smh then use the better mark and only hit weakspot

[faint beacon]

Lac is just an easier way to make more bleed stack up rapidly that and you avoid needing to force yourself down smokes for serrated etc

This is the only time im ever condoning of Lac usage

outside of that never touch it

[steady wolf]

You never need serrated or smokes tho?

maybe u confused

[sleek garden]

smokes feel good for keeping stuff off of you

[faint beacon]

Mk6 Combat Blade + Mercy Killer + Uncanny + Serrated Blade

Smokes keep shooter pressure and gunners off you

[steady wolf]

oh mercy

[sleek garden]

they really do help but if nobody is using grenades i will bring nades instead

[serene bough]

Fleshtear + uncanny is my preferred blessing combo

[sleek garden]

because im often using a gun that is good for infantry

[faint beacon]

It makes horde clearing way fucking easier which is why I do Lac + Uncanny on Mk6

Shreds hordes in seconds

[sleek garden]

i am trying out the chain sword

[serene bough]

I dont touch lacerate personally

[sleek garden]

i havent really touched it much because i didnt like how it felt but with savage sweep and rampage it feels much better

[steady wolf]

but how, tearer + uncanny does it faster since both blessings actually work at the same time...

[serene bough]

I never bothered to try

[steady wolf]

and yes the crit is high enough usually due to recip

[faint beacon]

One always procs, the other is It might with X chance

always vs it might not be proccing when you need it too

that

AND

[steady wolf]

uncanny isn't always proccing tho

you are hitting body for bleed

[faint beacon]

You can cause bleed ticks to ramp up to insane damage against crushers

you know those annoying enemies

same with Maulers

[serene bough]

I dont like the idea that lacerate needs a non-weakspot hit on a weapon designed to hit weakspots

[steady wolf]

Naw man I don't see it, the blessings don't work together

[serene bough]

If it applies on just any hit I would consider it

[sleek garden]

sounds good exclusively for chaos spawn

[serene bough]

FT is still better for chaos spawn imo

[faint beacon]

Shreds them extremely quick

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/joLNpW2lB9GmfczWn?invite=cr-MSxQZTgsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

Anyways Forgot I got this clip for Victuals when we were playing

just shows off how it performs over all

[serene bough]

Reciprocity + other nodes would give you a 50% chance to bleed them, still pretty good odds

[faint beacon]

Mk3 is a bit more harder to make Lac work with

[steady wolf]

That's cuz it's for stabbing weakspots

just use double barrel for horde obviously

[faint beacon]

but again Im insisting on Lac + Uncanny cause I'd rather have the consistent 16 stacks over occasionally

and this is for Mk6 which can hit both body and weakspot easily

[steady wolf]

consistent if you forgo uncanny proccing..

[faint beacon]

Uncanny is constantly ramping up during that clip

whilst they take bleed

[steady wolf]

I proc uncanny 5 times and I got the 2 bleed hits in those 5 hits. They work together unlike lac

[faint beacon]

besides worst case scenario you can hit body and head repeat a few times

just understand Bleed + Rending regardless of which one you take

is going to be fucking good

[serene bough]

I see your point, but I still think FT is consistent enough and synergies better w/ uncanny

Youre gonna be at 50% crit pretty often as long as you bring reciprocity

[faint beacon]

Honestly if you cant afford it (some builds cant)

run lac + uncanny

[serene bough]

Do u also run the +1 bleed stack talent w/ lacerate

[faint beacon]

Serrated?

[serene bough]

Yeah that one

[faint beacon]

personally I think Lac by itself is fine

Outside of...

yeah

but

Uncanny + Lacerate is the only like combo I genuinely condone

outside of that its basically fucking trolling lmao

[serene bough]

Well to be fair uncanny is pretty busted

Applying to bleeds is just stupid high dps when you consider how easy it is to spam shredder grenades

[faint beacon]

I honestly wanted Serrated to be reworked sometime cause something about it just being an innate

bleed on hit regardless of anything rubbed me wrong

That and Keep Their Heads Down

[sleek garden]

i cant survive this maelstrom

my teammates all got ledged by chaos spawns in the first area

i was running and a horde spawned literally over my head and all dropped on top of me instantly surrounding me

no idea what happened because it was dark and immediately died

[last pewter]

the tide was dark

[fervent mesa]

proud shock maul enjoyer

[faint beacon]

Clandestine Gloriana im going to assume

[amber mortar]

shock maul you say

[fervent mesa]

ye

[grand perch]

it was a shady current for sure

[last pewter]

some murky waters, yes

[sleek garden]

dark communion lights out

my zealot teammates left me behind to run into a tiny room with a beast of nurgle

with nothing but a chainsword with an exy stance build i brought a plague ogryn to 1/3rd health

that took about a minute

i only died because a dog grabbed me through the plague ogryn

[warm bolt]

Is anyone else's havoc group requesets bugged?

They take way longer to load in and by the time they load in people just dont accept cause you took too long

I legit cant find a game cause i keep getting rejected and i cant host it cause of that bug

[tall torrent]

Infantry lasgun / laspistol / recon / helbore
Plasma
Boltgun
Boltpistol

Combat axe
Power sword
Duelling sword

Revolver is entirely dead (lost all breakpoints, too little ammo)

[warm bolt]

Wait infantry las is good on havoc 40?

[tawny badger]

if you can click heads yea

[warm bolt]

Damn nice to hear

[tall torrent]

Better special sniping than recon / laspistol, not as cumbersome as helbore
Downside is you spend 1 point extra compared to other weapons for suppression immunity otherwise it’s unplayable, so you’ll prob miss out on red nodes if you’re using axe for melee

[warm bolt]

Oh damn

[sleek garden]

alternatively you could take exy stance

and have no suppression

and take ghost to not get hit

[warm bolt]

Always wanted to try one out and now i have a reason outside of memey invis into sniping spot build

[sleek garden]

assuming you click heads

i think the best out of the three for havoc has to be the brown one

[tall torrent]

best one is mk IIb

[sleek garden]

the small one? really?

i don't believe that

[pastel pumice]

Size matters to you?

Unfortunate.

[sleek garden]

only gus

[pastel pumice]

Size of the fight in the dog.

Not the size of the dog.

[warm bolt]

Okay but chihuahua has a lot of fight in it

But im pretty sure like a mild-sized corgi could take it on

[pastel pumice]

cage fight

[sleek garden]

joined a game in progress got focused by three bosses and died instantly

ok

the other three players were alive

the bosses just hated me

[warm bolt]

[tall torrent]

Much more ammo than basically every other gun in the game, kills specials better than laspistol / recon
Instant sprint to fire
Much greater firing uptime (havoc is target rich)

[sleek garden]

and then the plague ogryn overheaded me until i died

dang

[warm bolt]

I once joined a game and the second i spawned in two bosses, one at the front and the other at the back, spawned closing us in some corridor

[sleek garden]

true but i have to be able to kill ogrynsfaster, the brown is much better for that

[hearty panther]

better sprint speed too

hipfire is pretty good

[amber mortar]

which boltgun/pistol its the best to use

[pastel pumice]

But they only have 1 mark

[tall torrent]

If u want a middle ground, VII is still better than IX

[warm bolt]

I think mk 3b is better but dont quote me on that

[amber mortar]

too late i will

[tall torrent]

There’s only 1 boltgun and 1 boltpistol

[warm bolt]

Oh right

[pastel pumice]

Use the Mk 5a Boltgun

Best mark in the game

[warm bolt]

This, use this i wish we could

[sleek garden]

i hate when guys stand in the elevator and ping like crazy when people are fighting

fight asshole

[pale pecan]

Has anyone else gotten the voiceline about Morrow being over 10,000 years old

🗿

[warm bolt]

Bro thinks he's in space marine 2 pre-kills give you more exp patch

[pale pecan]

Girl

[warm bolt]

"I was there reject, the day Horus slew the Emperor"

[formal ice]

Ping to go to the elevator or ping the heretics?

[warm bolt]

These types of people just ping the elevator

Like sure buddy i was just playing around with that crusher on my ass

[pale pecan]

I mean most elevator spots are easy to just run to if you clear properly

[narrow frost]

Its actually better to go elevator then fight

[pale pecan]

^

[narrow frost]

you are making more enemies spawn and making the mission longer

for no reason

[pale pecan]

Teams that have good forward pace are peak

I had one for my H40 the other night

It was so fucking smooth

In and out 20 minutes

1.2 mil dmg

[pastel pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/allmight-bnha-mha-meme-fist-up-gif-13588517052470008833

how he feels rn

[pale pecan]

Shout out to these guys

[warm bolt]

Most of the time my reason is the afformentioned crusher on my ass but point valid

[pastel pumice]

Check out how fucked up FS got me in this havoc mission

My boltpistol's already bad iron sights

Not loading in

[brittle turret]

Vigilant auto is just bad then I take it?

[pale pecan]

This was so annoying when it happened to the shotguns

[warm bolt]

[pale pecan]

But they nerfed my babies so I don't use them that much anymore

Kantrael shotgun my beloved

[warm bolt]

I wish we could get navy breachers shotgun+shield combo though

Lowkey

[pale pecan]

The damage falloff is so harsh on them now it feels

[slow spade]

clearly we need to get ogryn kickbacks UwU

[pale pecan]

DB just needs Surgical

[slow spade]

Give DB handcannon

[tall torrent]

nah, point blank

[pale pecan]

Surgical Manstopper

[tall torrent]

point blank is simply superior

[pale pecan]

I don't even remember what point blank is

20% crit chance for melee kill?

[tall torrent]

20% crit chance after melee kill

2.5s for revolver

3.5s for boltpistol

[pale pecan]

Interesting

Still not gonna use it though but

interesting

[tall torrent]

it's the best crit blessing for both of them

[pale pecan]

I'm running Executioner and Lethal on my Bolt Pistol rn

Specifically for the nade buffs

[tall torrent]

I'd still take puncture over execution

just for breakpoints

[half lintel]

puncture and run 'n' gun

[pale pecan]

Since the only melee blessings that really works with shredders rn is Opportunist and the one I won't talk about, I just swapped to a Sunder PC Mk6

[sleek garden]

hes just pinging the elevator a flight of stairs down when we're still fighting a mixed horde

most helpful book zealot

[tall torrent]

slaughterer applies to bleed

[formal ice]

Go to the elevator then

[pale pecan]

Well that might make Chainaxe a viable option then for the nade build

[wanton dawn]

Chainaxe was not a viable option when bleed triggered thunderous

[pale pecan]

It is a bit sad though each time they remove the neat little interactions.

[sleek garden]

this can be true but it doesnt matter if three people are locked down fighting and the last guy is like erm can you guys hurry up

im in the elevator

[narrow frost]

then 3 people are in a bad spot

[wanton dawn]

The hell is locked down fighting

[pale pecan]

I seen 3 people get downed by 1 crusher overhead before

[sleek garden]

ill be sure to have everyone go knife zealot next match so we can speedrun each mission

[narrow frost]

I've seen 3 people get hit by 1 sniper shot

@dorn has it

oh wait

banned

[wanton dawn]

Rofl

[sleek garden]

i found out sniper shots go through the shield of ogryn teammates

[pale pecan]

pourquoi

[slow spade]

Lol Dorn got banned?

Rip

[sleek garden]

because i stood behind my ogryn shield walling and got sniped

[steady wolf]

Why do level 25 people join auric damn then run ahead and die like idiots 😭

[narrow frost]

cause their friends said it will be okay

[slow spade]

How else do you get 1000 rescues?

[pale pecan]

Cuz people don't know what they're getting into

[pale pecan]

Farm people during the beta duh

[slow spade]

:p

[steady wolf]

Well they got the whole team wiped, 10 aurics no deaths gonna be fun...

[pale pecan]

ngl

Soloing Aurics is so much fun now

After dealing with Havoc

[steady wolf]

using off-meta, right..?

[pale pecan]

ofc

[steady wolf]

good good

we love autopistol & shock maul here

[pale pecan]

I only ever play gooberish builds

Surgical Armorbane Helbore and Powersword

Just pop a Crusher and poke

[steady wolf]

man i wish they'd nerf ds4 already and maybe even tune rashad

[pale pecan]

My favorite because it actually does numbers in high difficulty is getting all the blessings/perks/talents that buff Shredder Frag grenades

[steady wolf]

eh i guess rashad is fine cuz psword has better elite clear

[pale pecan]

Ngl

I've been using a Sunder PC Mk6 Power Sword because they made Sunder do what old Brutal Momentum could do at base

Aka Cleave/kill multiple crushers with a single hit

It's been quite handy to have for Havoc since it means I can very effectively fight mixed hordes

[pale pecan]

But for this, just take all the grenade perks, get an Executioner Lethal Prox Bolt Pistol, and an Opportunist Slaughterer Chainaxe

[pale pecan]

ngl I still need to try Rashad, everyone keeps saying it's juiced but I haven't looked at it yet.

[steady wolf]

Just put it on my 3rd build but only cuz I don't wanna use ds4 and already used knife & psword so it's pretty much the last decent melee

[amber mortar]

its fun worth try

[sleek garden]

i am trying the iib lasgun right now in 39 and i do not see the benefit over the other two

it takes twice as many shots to kill enemies i had no trouble with before until long ranges

[keen nova]

The 2B tries to be a semi auto bullet hose in a world where the recon lasguns exist

[sleek garden]

it has the benefit of much higher headshot damage

its still decent against lots of shooters i suppose

[keen nova]

There's just no feasible reason, in my eyes, to take it over a normal recon or another mark of lasgun

It just doesn't do the job as well as the others

[sleek garden]

allegedly the ammo count is mostly what makes it better in havoc

[arctic rampart]

HNY future servitors. Enjoy your time now before you become a manscape servitor.

[empty root]

is recon lasgun S tier?

[narrow frost]

A

[keen nova]

@deep bone swears by it, maybe he can explain what makes it appealing

Wrong tag, sorry

[arctic rampart]

8/10 troll

[empty root]

what keeps it from S? Ammo consumption? lack of cleave?

[arctic rampart]

other weapons being actual S

[keen nova]

They eat up ammo if you aren't super conservative with it

Plus the existence of the plasma and bolter I'm sure

[deep bone]

The Kantrael Mk.IIb does very solid damage and the Fire Rate is manageable

[narrow frost]

cleave is the main point

[deep bone]

It’s fire rate plus high damage is great

[narrow frost]

thats why plasma and zarona are still S, the highest ranged cleave in the game

[deep bone]

The the only thing I hate about it is that it’s semi auto

I have to spam RT on my controller a lot

[arctic rampart]

eventually you'll get a PC cause controller willhurt your hands. when you do mods (https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/87?tab=description) are waiting for you

[deep bone]

I absolutely love the Kantrael Pattern Lasguns

[deep bone]

Based

Hopefully they make it a setting tbh

[arctic rampart]

Hopefully. It's my first game with fatshark, will they do it?

[deep bone]

I want to play Fallout NV on pc cause of mods

[deep bone]

Who knows

[keen nova]

It's a real coin flip

[deep bone]

My first Fatshark game was Vermintide 1

[keen nova]

Fatshark does have some pretty decent community outreach

[deep bone]

I still occasionally do Cataclysm Runs on Vermintide 2

[arctic rampart]

I heard XBOX users are getting screwed for months and they didn't fix it

[dire olive]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

Sorry just reminded me of the 3 days of troubleshooting it took me to get that working

[untold mulch]

Nothing like installing 100 mods

and seeing that message

And you know is gonna be the dumbness mod

[pastel yew]

simple accessability feature ?

probably not

I've spoken with a CM about this and they responded they'd pass it along to the team and that was

forever ago

[gilded wraith]

Any way to get the mk 14 cleave high enough to be useful in havoc?

[frank ether]

F

[muted echo]

can you not do the 20 second volley penance with exe stance?

[sullen jacinth]

You can

[faint beacon]

Shooter Node Addition

makes it so much fucking easier

[muted echo]

feels like im keeping it going for a millenia but 20 seconds is longer than that i guess

[inland orchid]

ya 10 seconds feels pretty long when every second you're doing something to keep u alive

thats how long my exe stances usually last

[light ridge]

These penances tend to go a bit easier on Heresy or below
I've been chasing Ogryn and Psyker penances the last few days, Smite one is a ton easier when stuff actually dies from your Smite

[forest maple]

I just completed a havoc level 34 mission but it still says my highest completed assigment rank this week is 20?

How does this work

but my current assigment rank is 16? Havent played the havoc update until now.

[vital wren]

Yeah I did the smite one in a solo Uprising.

[hasty rain]

Is there a general consensus on which mark of power sword is best? It just seems to be moves and combos that change?

[sturdy snow]

Battle Sister armor for Veteran when?

[hasty rain]

Let the male vets wear it also. Or no balls.

[sturdy snow]

Would be kinda funny ngl

[hasty rain]

Really?
That seems like a big oversight, no?

Yeah that makes more sense now. The rework to weapons came pretty late into progression for me, so I had some patterns unlocked and others I'm now getting the 'intended' way

Some feel like an upgrade and others feel like a new weapon.

It's a little confusing because I'd thought the system would be one or the other, bit it's both

But thanks for the info, I sort of landed on the mark IV and I guess I'll keep using it

Yeah I've noticed with the + charge blessing I can delete a wave on havoc in just 3 swings

Just zero effort needed

Is that the one that adds brittleness on charged hit?

Oh I did not know bulwark shields counted

Doesn't the charged attack also add cleave % anyway?

[hasty rain]

I guess due to havoc scaling, more cleave really is better?

Because targets you can't hit will continue to be a threat

What would be ideal at havoc 40 if not the power sword though?

Yeah I keep seeing the axe pop up. I never got along with it

Good to know. Maybe I judged it too quickly

[radiant chasm]

Don’t you want sunder for havoc on powersword (if you are going that way) or does it still fall off

[tall torrent]

if u mean sister of battle, they're not coming to darktide

[sturdy snow]

Why not? There is already one working the Penances.

[tall torrent]

she's not a sister of battle

[sturdy snow]

She would have to be, to be given the title of Sister explicitly in front of her name, as to where the other female agents do not

Right or wrong?

[tall torrent]

no, she's just a normal member of the imperial church

[sturdy snow]

Okay so let me circle back, why are they not coming?

[pseudo fiber]

giant warp storm

[tall torrent]

in game voice lines explicitly state SoB are not coming

also there's a warp storm (shadow?) surrounding atoma prime which blocks most reinforcements

[soft trellis]

does the warp storm at least have potatoes?

[tall torrent]

the highest level of operatives we can expect to see in game would be tempestus scion & commissar

[sturdy snow]

There is nothing saying that they can't get through eventually. It could end up being a whole expansion update about it

Battle sisters aren't OP like marines so it wouldn't be out of line

[tall torrent]

besides, even if SoB did come to the game, they would not be for veteran lol

it's a huge "maybe" for zealot

[sturdy snow]

Realistically, I would wager they'd be the 5th class realistically. I would not be opposed to that. That would be a huge game changing update

Add a game mode with it that is straight abomination combat lol specifically for the SoB

[hasty rain]

Also just considering the theme and lore, we likely wouldn't see a sister of battle as a 'reject'

[tall torrent]

nah, that's basically not happening

[hasty rain]

We MAY get something like another abhuman

[tall torrent]

wouldn't make much sense for their lore

and in gameplay terms not much different from zealot

[sturdy snow]

What other abhuman is out there ?

[hasty rain]

But fatshark has always been off about including new classes

[hasty rain]

Oh god there's like, 12?

[tall torrent]

ratling is explicitly stated as not coming to the game

[loud belfry]

we all pray for a tech priest

[hasty rain]

I know bit there are other abhumans

[sturdy snow]

I have 5 level 30 characters, games running down its end game expectancy the more I play. I need something new and SM2 is broken so I need something to do lol

[hasty rain]

Beastmen or leagues of votann would be the most reasonable id say

[tall torrent]

votann is prob not coming

[sturdy snow]

A beast class would be pretty cool

[pseudo fiber]

Well I don't think we'd be getting a new class til like end of the year at best

[tall torrent]

beastmen is "maybe?"

I doubt new class at all tbh

[hasty rain]

Yeah same

I'm just pushing it out there that it could be plausible we see a beastman class

Or a squat

[sturdy snow]

They haven't given any hint towards a new tide-game. So the real question is how long do they plan to support Darktide while also supporting VT2.

[loud belfry]

surely VT2 is about to die?

[sturdy snow]

There is so much room with Darktide to add new content

[pseudo fiber]

no they got stuff going on there too

[hasty rain]

Given the cycle of live service, usually at least 4 years

[pseudo fiber]

they support there games for a long ass time

[sturdy snow]

Idk it just got a major pvp update not too long ago

[loud belfry]

they do have stuff going on but like will they really keep going?

seems like this might be around the end of its life

[pseudo fiber]

VT2 is getting 2 new maps and a weapon pack next year lol

[hasty rain]

Versus just released so most likely yes

[tall torrent]

I would expect new weapons and talent tree expansions (like the one we got for Psyker this year) for 2025, but not much else

[hasty rain]

VT2 will probably continue as background income and a whiteboard for darktide

And darktide will develop in tandem

[tall torrent]

there're 3 weapons that are coming eventually to DT

longlas
melta
2-handed chainaxe

[loud belfry]

i wonder if they'll add a red weapon concept

maybe an additional and more special blessing (might make weapons kinda OP tho)

[sturdy snow]

What about a new planet? What system is Atoma Prime in and is there any surrounding planetary colonies?

[hasty rain]

I mean, the big thing that skewered vt2 amearly on was maps and content pace

In live service games you want as much repeatable, dynamic content as possible

[tall torrent]

there could be content expansions for deep hive or upper spires

[sturdy snow]

[tall torrent]

but realistically we'd be fighting the same enemy faction

[hasty rain]

Theres also this second hive that keeps getting mentioned. Which I think may be something like chaos wastes for darktide.

[tall torrent]

perhaps more daemonic stuff

plaguebearers & nurglings

[sturdy snow]

I just wish I knew what they had planned, really need something to look forward too and if they need ideas my brain is open. I think this game has a lot of unused potential.

[tall torrent]

be lucky and become a playtester

or smth

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[sturdy snow]

I was a playtester for a lot of games prior to the Xbox One days for Xbox 360 lol But I would really like to see good and meaningful content people would actually find useful. I have even thought they might bring Versus to Darktide lol

[umbral scaffold]

Hey quick question any one knows good verteran guides tipps resources yt channels?

[tall torrent]

nah I highly doubt DT is getting a pvp mode

[tall torrent]

check pinned
and don't bother with youtube guides

[queen fox]

the most i hope for is an admech dlc class

[sturdy snow]

It's not out of the question though 😉

[tall torrent]

huge "maybe"

[queen fox]

vt2 got dlc and has a much lower playerbase last i checked

[loud belfry]

all sane people want a tech priest as the additional class

[queen fox]

unless its that much harder to make a new class in darktide vs vermintide for some reason, it would be bad bussiness to not make a dlc class

at least one

[orchid hemlock]

Make the channel yourself

[queen fox]

or skitari or servitor or some kind of admech class, yeah

[tall torrent]

well
it'd need 3 skill path branches on launch, complete with all class-related weapons (and blessings) and recorded voiceline interactions (6 types)

a new class in DT is an entirely new archetype

a new subclass in VT2 is just an expansion of an existing character

[hasty rain]

Honestly a fate worse than not knowing because you'd probably be bound by confidentiality agreements

[queen fox]

i didn't play vermintide, how much more complex is that than characters in vermintide?

[tall torrent]

did u play DT before skill tree update

[queen fox]

yes

[hasty rain]

Vermintide perks are very simple

[queen fox]

since beta actually

ah

[broken spade]

they basically have that yes

[queen fox]

so it was like the early skill 'tree'

[broken spade]

the pre-tree talents

[queen fox]

ok

[hasty rain]

I'm not kidding some characters have one build that scales and that's it.

[tropic notch]

Do you think they’re gonna increase the level cap like in vermintide?

[tall torrent]

well
pre-skill tree update, every class had 18 feats

skill tree is like 3+ subclasses mixed into 1 character

[sturdy snow]

The #1 thing I want the most

[tall torrent]

what would that accomplish

giving players more talent points to spend on?

[tropic notch]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

how many more talent points

[tropic notch]

Zealot and vet would be broken

[sturdy snow]

More rewards and more diverse skill trees

[queen fox]

5 is almost too many

actually it probably is tbh

[tall torrent]

idk abt more diversity

[tropic notch]

Uh 35 because that’s what it was in vermintide

[loud belfry]

they could make it so that all talent points after 30 can only be spent in a new couple, likely way smaller, trees

[queen fox]

yeah it would turn into 'everyone uses the same basic tree and takes extras they like'

which is zealot rn tbqh

[sturdy snow]

Would be, means people would be able to tank out or dps out with top to bottom tree unlocks

[tall torrent]

not really "more diversity" when the available options usually come down to 5 or so float points anyway

if u give veteran 5 extra points it'd be majority of those float points taken

and the bad talents still go underused

[sturdy snow]

[loud belfry]

i hope that if/when they increase the level cap we get credit for our previous playtime/levels and dont have to level up again

[tall torrent]

game keeps track of playtime

otherwise true level mod wouldn't be a thing

[loud belfry]

yeah. but it also knew about my auric maelstrom completion yet made me do it again for havoc

so all things are possible

[latent parcel]

After many skill tree changes the axe recon build finally feels good. I was wrong the axe does well

I refuse to take it into moebian tho

[tall torrent]

I think they just wanted everyone to play maelstrom and didn't word it well lol

[errant carbon]

Didn't happen when they raised the level cap in vt2

[tall torrent]

red node and h(c)ope

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[latent parcel]

I tried lol

To many moebian!

[tall torrent]

u can actually get moebian groaner 1hs

it just requires a setup 95%+ vets won't run for havoc

[latent parcel]

Ya I need nades

I know it

I wish axe did more boss DPS tho

Even with 40 percent brittle it takes a min

[tall torrent]

why brittle

u don't need thunderous on axe

[latent parcel]

recon

Nah I take onslaught

[tall torrent]

nah onslaught is ass

[latent parcel]

It helps with the recon

[tall torrent]

axe boss dps is quite good

[latent parcel]

Not when they have 100k hp

It's ok

[tall torrent]

you're thinking TTK, not DPS

[latent parcel]

Ok fair

[tall torrent]

not many things kill 100k health bosses fast in the first place

[regal smelt]

havoc boss damage aint that important either when you're not expected to solo monsters especially as vet

[latent parcel]

Your not expected too sure

But I plan for the worst when pubbing 40s

Onslaught with recon into axe works well tho in high havocs

[tall torrent]

I don't think onslaught is worth it

even if ur taking recon for boss

most of ur dmg is from burn

recon's unyielding ADM is 0.75

[latent parcel]

I don't shoot the boss that much

[tall torrent]

with rending strikes it already goes to 0.85

[latent parcel]

I shoot it to stack it

Axe up keeps it

[tall torrent]

and axe's unyielding ADM is much higher than 1

so brittle does very little for u

Axe actually has 2 unyielding ADM

[latent parcel]

Helps them die quicker for the team I guess

[lime marsh]

Hey can someone help me with the shocking stuff penence

[tall torrent]

Your team would need to have seriously dogshit weapons for unyielding for that brittleness to matter

[latent parcel]

Do you remember the brittle las pistol bug with thunderous?

That's where I got the idea. That shit slapped

[tall torrent]

You’re not running thunderous tho

[latent parcel]

I'm not true

Because that got fixed

[tall torrent]

And thunderous was mostly for carapace

[latent parcel]

I mean the instant stack off fire

Did u play then? Was awhile ago

[tall torrent]

Yea fire’s ADMs are pretty high across the board

And it wasn’t used for laspistol it was mainly used for frag bleed

Throw 2 frag, bleed dot tick apply thunderous

AoE kill everything

Bleed actually has low ADMs for everything besides maniac

[latent parcel]

well it was zealot thing

not vet. i didnt use it on vet

fire nade or las pistol applied brittle

then go shroudfield and nuke a boss

it was awesome

op af tho

[tall torrent]

Brittle’s value depends on the attack having low innate ADM

[latent parcel]

adm?

[tall torrent]

Armor damage modifier

[lime marsh]

Hey can someone help me with the shocking stuff penence

[latent parcel]

why does it seem to help quiet a bit on unyielding then

[tall torrent]

It shouldn’t

[latent parcel]

in my experience it does

but maybe im skewed

[tall torrent]

Do u know how rending/brittleness is calculated for overall damage

[latent parcel]

Nah

looks like i finally need to download creature spawner

[tall torrent]

Axe has an unyielding ADM of 2 on its heavy attacks

onslaught is up to 40% brittleness but since axe's ADM exceeds 1, it would be converted into +dmg

at 0.25x the original value, which is equal to +10% damage

[latent parcel]

thanks for the info!

[tall torrent]

Read my guide

[latent parcel]

i cant read that well

im keeping onslaught for flak and carapace tho. that shit went in on a hard clutch

[tall torrent]

Onslaught basically only ever matters enough for carapace

@latent parcel here's how much onslaught does for axe vs unyielding

[vale wraith]

Can I get a link for it ?

[tall torrent]

Check pinned

[vale wraith]

Ah right

Cheers

[hallow eagle]

What curios to use for high level havoc? +17 toughness + combat regent, + toughness +stam regen?

[pale pecan]

I use full 21% hp

Most times you'll have a zealot with the -60% dmg reduction aura

So dumping toughness and getting more bleed hits when gold toughness runs out is nice

[tall torrent]

That talent is really not good

It’s not separate cooldown instances per player

[hallow eagle]

Mr guide what is your take on what curious to use on level 40 Havoc then?

[tall torrent]

This is fine, I don’t use stamina regen myself

[pale pecan]

I do enjoy double toughness 1 stamina tho

[latent parcel]

ok i finally tested it myself. it IS mid at best.

it DOES help the burn alot tho

[tall torrent]

It’s incredibly situational and niche at best and peak dogshit in 95%+ situations

[hallow eagle]

What do you use instead of stam regen?

[tall torrent]

Sprint efficiency (I’m too lazy to swap it off and sprint efficiency is good for veteran in base game modes)

[latent parcel]

i use stam regen health and combat

[tall torrent]

2 toughness curios
1 health curio
Triple toughness perks
Triple ability CDR
Last curio perks kind of up to u

[pale pecan]

Would there be any mettle in going for a Gun strike build w/ the Zarona

[hallow eagle]

sprint efficiency isn't this pretty much "like" stam?

[tall torrent]

No, Zarona loses pretty much all of its breakpoints in havoc

[tall torrent]

Not quite

[pale pecan]

I was running Weapon Specialist Hand Cannon Run n' Gun for just quickly popping elites/specials while I chain into them w/ Melee

[tall torrent]

Veteran has very slow base stamina regen delay

[pale pecan]

rip

[tall torrent]

2 shots for most elites & specialists

On a 5r capacity gun

That doesn’t get a lot of reserve

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[pale pecan]

Yeah that makes sense

I want to play with the silly Bolter stuff too

[tall torrent]

Unless u take at least 1 of the stamina regen delay reduction nodes, I don’t think stam regen is all that good for veteran

[hallow eagle]

Mr guide, another question is Plasma "viable" at 40 Havoc? I tried it and well.... was ammo starved... so went back to Recon Lasgun

[latent parcel]

Ya

plasma is to good

[frank ether]

should plan for the worst tbh but vet is pretty insane at cheesing bosses anyway

[tall torrent]

Yea, one of veteran’s better guns in havoc
U just gotta accept that you aren’t gonna be shooting it (or anything) much

[hallow eagle]

So basically just stick to Recon Lasgun

not enough ammo for Plasma to be useful

[tall torrent]

Recon is ok

Plasma is also ok

It depends on what u prefer and what role u intend to fill

[half lintel]

plasma pistol when

that and the melta

[pale pecan]

QQ, would there be any worth in taking Exploit Weakness w/ Rending Strikes on a Sunder Power Sword to up the possible cleave dmg into carapace?

[tall torrent]

Melta is in game files

[tall torrent]

Cleave damage distribution is basically a whole new attack profile per individual target, and ADM generally stays consistent with first target

So if the base weapon doesn’t suck vs a specific armor type, you’re not getting much out of rending/brittleness for that weapon

[midnight totem]

rending strikes would only really increase the unpowered damage by any appreciable amount against carapace

and its still going to take eons

[hallow eagle]

Show me your Havoc 40 build

[pale pecan]

So you're saying on an Axe you wouldn't get much value, Vs say the Devil's Claw?

[tall torrent]

Yea well, axe doesn’t have <1 ADMs besides carapace

[hallow eagle]

This is for what weapons?

[tall torrent]

Axe + plasma/laspistol/recon/boltpistol

[hallow eagle]

Why no 'bring it down' !?

[vital wren]

I haven't been here very long and you are very patient and consistent in helping folks, just want to give you props and appreciate you for it. I've seen you answering similar questions lots of times even in the short while I've been around (some from me!) and it is cool of you. Your guide is great too; I look forward to the Steam version when it comes.

[hallow eagle]

Why leave this out!?

[vital wren]

I like knowing the under the hood stuff going on with game mechanics but lack the time and knowledge to dredge it all myself, so it's super valuable that there are folks putting in that effort.

[pale pecan]

I wish there was a way to tune for 100% crit chance in the Psykanium

[tall torrent]

U fight more elites than ogryns in havoc, and BID doesn’t make for any major ogryn related breakpoints that red nodes can’t accomplish

[pale pecan]

So I could actually test crit stuff easier

[tall torrent]

Be lucky

[pale pecan]

Okay yeah you're right

The dmg increase in carapace weakspot is like 130 dmg

From 1 stack of exploit weakness

[hallow eagle]

Where can I find your guide?

[tall torrent]

check pinned

If ur asking about steam guide, it’s not finished and won’t be for maybe another 5 months lol

[hallow eagle]

Bruh, the game would have changed so much by then (probably)

[tall torrent]

That’s fine

Fatshark isn’t releasing another major update for like another 4 months (given their schedule)

I’d be just on time

[gilded wraith]

Would 1 gunners resist, 1 sniper resist, 1 sprint eff be logical for the last curio perks slot?

[tall torrent]

1 sprint efficiency is not super impactful imo

[gilded wraith]

Hmm, maybe 1 corruption resist.

[vital wren]

I'd stack resists. Either 2 gunner or 2 corruption depending on what you want. I don't think gunner is that impactful for high havoc though because it doesn't help against normal shooters.

Sniper probably doesn't matter for havoc either, though 1 is good for other game modes.

[hallow eagle]

Bruh you missed out the bit everybody wants to see - the builds!

[tall torrent]

I just sent u one

[hallow eagle]

Weapon builds

[umbral parrot]

HAVOC 40 is sooooooo fun!

OH MY GOSH my limbs feel like noodles now.

Name a better weapon than a Power Sword!?

[hallow eagle]

Dueling Sword....?

[tall torrent]

Aren’t they in the guide

[umbral parrot]

I said better weapon! x3

[wind grotto]

a power sword that doesn't have a faulty circuit that only keeps it on for 3 swings

[hallow eagle]

Can't see it

[tall torrent]

Scroll to weapons sections

[hallow eagle]

Power Sword used to be good... like 5 patches ago

[umbral parrot]

Faulty short circuiting power sword... lol. You must master the blade, temper it, be one with the relic!

[tall torrent]

Power sword is still good, like 4~5th best veteran melee

[wind grotto]

it's still super strong if you can deal with the activation tbh

[umbral parrot]

What!? You said it was 3rd last time!

[tall torrent]

For havoc it’s 4~5th

[hallow eagle]

so much cope, it's rubbish don't use it lols

[umbral parrot]

Boo!

Well regardless, it's still the ultimate BADASS weapon!

[pale pecan]

Lame

Power Sword is the reason I play Vet

[umbral parrot]

Agreed

These guys may tell you it's.... '5th'. But it's really down to how well you can play.

[pale pecan]

I wish Vet had the Greatsword

But I've complained about it enough now

But man

[tall torrent]

Rashad 24/7

[pale pecan]

I really wanted to be a Power Greatsword Vet

Games Workshop, killing dreams since the 80s

[umbral parrot]

You and your Rashad! x3

[hallow eagle]

Why do you prefer axe over DS (flavor of the month) ?

DS is just so OP

[pale pecan]

I did finally try Rashad and I see the hype

I still think I prefer PS for the ability to cleave carapace

[tall torrent]

Way way way higher horde clear & better vs elite groups, actually higher boss damage

[hallow eagle]

No way

[umbral parrot]

He's the Rashad master!

[hallow eagle]

So why is everyone running with DS then?

[umbral parrot]

He is as good with the Rashad as i am with the Power Sword.

[hallow eagle]

is it because they don't know......

[crude fiber]

Mobility

[tall torrent]

Zero investment high mobility dps stick for carapace

Axe takes investment

[umbral parrot]

Yea, for example

[crude fiber]

Don't remember, does Rashad heavy stagger crushers?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[umbral parrot]

I don't use Rashad, I don't use Dueling Sword. Have not used them since the launch of the game.

I bet i'll do better with the Dueling Sword.

[crude fiber]

What about mid combo dreg rager?

[tall torrent]

PA

[umbral parrot]

That's what investment is!

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1306382291781681252/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.11.13_-_12.57.55.43.mp4?ex=673676d1&is=67352551&hm=68c82723d28b4d4353ad9c06cad9774e6613cbc72b43d320e30c5e58fa8ffc68&

[crude fiber]

Cam you still 1 shot hoard enemies with lights in high havoc?

Bruisers?

[pale pecan]

Yep figured this out pretty fast

[tall torrent]

excluding moebian 21st groaners, yea

[crude fiber]

Their heads are unarmored right? Do you know how much hp they have in havoc,

[tall torrent]

843.75

[pale pecan]

woag

[umbral parrot]

I think this is why i like the Rashad now... It can do everything a Power Sword can do as well. Yet a Dueling sword fails at horde clearing.

[tall torrent]

Axe can still 1 shot them under certain conditions (red nodes, using +10% melee damage on top right)

[midnight totem]

except look sexy, axes are ugly

[crude fiber]

Damn lmao, so not possible without temp damage buffs

[pale pecan]

10% melee dmg my beloved

[umbral parrot]

Fashion is key. Which is why i always use Power Sword.

[tall torrent]

But it’s not particularly worth chasing after since you’re prob not gonna fight them at full health (flame weapons & other damage sources will weaken them into 1 taps for u)

[midnight totem]

swords are for heroes, axes are for ugly people, and smelly Space Wolves

[crude fiber]

What about max headtaker with both damage nodes and +unarmored?

[tall torrent]

Max headtaker + unarmored, in a typical havoc build is around 788 unarmored damage

[crude fiber]

Womp

[tall torrent]

You need red nodes or 10% melee damage on top right

[midnight totem]

I wonder how the heavy sword is

[tall torrent]

Or just let ur psyker flame everything so u can 1 tap, he’s gonna do that anyway

[hallow eagle]

If you have to horde clear then something has gone wrong with the team

[tall torrent]

Nah

[hallow eagle]

Zealot/Psykers do it better

[umbral parrot]

It's not just that. I mean, you will be fighting regardless.

[hallow eagle]

I just chuck a few frag grenades and .....

[tall torrent]

Yea surely the zealot with a duelling sword that hits a grand total of 2 poxwalkers per attack is gonna help a lot with horde clear

[hallow eagle]

Heh Relic Blade...?

[tall torrent]

Relic blade is usually not taken as first choice for zealot tbh

It’s really good if you’re the 2nd zealot

Scales super well into density

Cuz relic blade really wants FotF to boost atk speed

[frank ether]

I've been binging havocs with relic blade

[umbral parrot]

Can't say much. Don't play Zealot too often.

All i can say is that they're awesome.

[hallow eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/guts-gif-20700812

That's how it feels using a Relic Blade 😌

[pale pecan]

I JUST wish I could use it on Veteran

[tawny timber]

nuh uh uh

[umbral parrot]

I mean...

When i think of a Guardsman Veteran, I don't think of Guts!

[calm shard]

veteran not allowed to have cool two handed weapons

[umbral parrot]

That really is more of a Zealot thing lol

Would be cool if a bet had a 2 handded knife tho.

[tawny timber]

2 handed knife

what?

[umbral parrot]

It's either that or a 2 handed shovel. Come on, don't be picky!

[fading yarrow]

TIL Relay Station has a ledge in the middle of the final stage arena that makes you immune to bruisers and Mutants

[tough tiger]

@tall torrent do u know the cleave value for charged relic blade?

[pale pecan]

I need to try something silly

[tall torrent]

Somewhere between 10~12, I’m guessing 11.7 since that’s power sword’s energized attacks’ cleave with 80% cleave target, and relic blade doesn’t have cleave target stat

If you’re asking this as to whether you need cleave blessings on it, I would recommend wrath

[crude fiber]

I feel like it needs wrath to feel good in high havoc tbh

[pale pecan]

Wrath makes the Relic feel quite good

[tall torrent]

Because you’re gonna need to swing it at things while unpowered, in some occasions

It makes the weapon feel more fluid

[tough tiger]

I always take wrath so i just wanna know what base value is

[tall torrent]

I think cranial + wrath is best set-up

[tough tiger]

Same

[latent parcel]

it is.

[frank ether]

I dont use wrath because I don't want cleave, I want clang.

[tall torrent]

With wrath u can get to 40+ cleave

Which means

You can stagger up to 11 Dreg ragers and break their combo

With energized heavy attacks

[frank ether]

wrath is quite fine

I just kinda

don't care?

[tropic notch]

Vet could have a power dagger

[frank ether]

I was trying rampage and cranial or whatever its called

and cranial+the %20 strength one aswell

[tall torrent]

Combat axe electric boogaloo

[frank ether]

chainblade pls

[tall torrent]

Make chainsword actually good

[frank ether]

I just don't like the rev on them

[tawny timber]

racecar sword

[frank ether]

sit there wait for it to finish like I'm casting a spell in some 2000's ass MMO

[tawny timber]

average mmorpg gameplay

[frank ether]

but give me chainblade, let me rev it up and zoomies across the map

1000 plasteel ez

[pale pecan]

Ngl

I thought I found something neat

Then I remembered Uncanny Strike exists

[frank ether]

pretend it doesnt exist, problem solved

[pale pecan]

Bladed Momentum on the Heavy Sword does affect bleed damage

[tall torrent]

Yea, it’s an ok blessing
But headtaker is just much better

[frank ether]

It could be improved a bit

[pale pecan]

Headtaker doesn't affect bleed does it?

[tall torrent]

No, it’s better for the actual sword itself

[pale pecan]

Yeah I figured

[frank ether]

nop its more for your actual damage

I didnt bother testing which BPs it matters for

vet probably wont struggle with BPs on it either way

[tropic notch]

[pale pecan]

If Shovel had Opportunist

[empty root]

K what's up with marksman focus I feel like I'm taking crazy pills

[pale pecan]

what about it

[empty root]

It's design. Wanting you to stand still in a game where movement and dodging is fundamental to survival

[pale pecan]

It's not about that at all

It's about clicking heads on the move lol

Camo is nice if you just want to quickly crouch dodge for stacks

[tawny timber]

slav simulator

[tame lodge]

You forgot the part where you have a 3 to 6 seconds grace on weakspot hits/kills

[empty root]

So when your killing you can move but when you can't, you have to stand still? I guess I fundamentally don't understand the skill

[heavy rover]

huh, somehow I got On Overwatch on a Havoc 39... was not expecting that but I'll take it

[radiant chasm]

Yes cause if you aren’t killing your stacks dont matter as much

[empty root]

Getting hit on high havoc is a death sentence so checks out

[heavy rover]

I was pretty sure I got hit during mixed hordes

[junior haven]

knifeplay is still missing the knife, huh?

[brittle turret]

Probably just got hit with gold/ max toughness

[vale wraith]

Because you really shouldn’t be afraid to just dump marksman stats

[calm shard]

it stacks so fast you're honestly better just staying moving regardless

[tame lodge]

They should lower the stamina consumption while sprinting on the Ilas

They are pretty fast

But I'm a veteran

I carried Ilas around

My stamina can handle it

[serene bough]

Land headshots to build stacks, don't think about it more than this

Youre rewarded for landing headshots and the more you hit the better

[tawny timber]

finally carrying teams through damnation

smh it took me a long time to be able to do this

for some reason i am doing it with chainaxe + combat shotgun shout vet

i mean shout vet obv helps

[long condor]

is heavy sword worth using any?

[tame lodge]

Bring something to deal with carapace and monstrosities and you'll be fine

[long condor]

alr

still chasing that crowd mulching high

[tame lodge]

Then you'll probably use the mk9

With Headtaker and Deathblow

[long condor]

gotcha

[tame lodge]

And I forgot the perks 💀

[long condor]

forgor

[fiery ingot]

Why did fatshark feel the need to tweak how trappers and dogs work

You get like no fucking time to react now, it's insane

[pastel pumice]

Are you playing havoc

[fiery ingot]

Noh

I was helping my friend fight the twins, a dog spawned, emerged from a doorway and mid-sprint animation out of the doorway jumped and disabled me. It was on screen for a good .5 of a second.

It doesn't make seeeeeense

[pseudo fiber]

The only enemies I think fatshark recently changed are reapers, gunners and ragers

[calm shard]

been a bug with them skipping their wind up since release

not a new thing

[tame lodge]

Seems like bro lined up

Don't line up with the dog

[pastel pumice]

that makes sense

stay away from door-spawned disablers lol

when the door opens and youre in range, their windup is somewhat faster

[fiery ingot]

Haven't noticed until recently, interesting

[fiery ingot]

Bro I've got bombs going off in my ear I can't tell where they are 😭

[pastel pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/knight-ascendant-lord-gif-26374896

Then brace yourself.

[fiery ingot]

It's all I can do

[austere pine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nOKHOEf4RI

weird video. seems to be going against literally everything i thought i knew, but it all makes sense

[wanton dawn]

Let me make a counter argument. 2s

That was my TED talk. Thanks you. Goodbye

[austere pine]

okay but are you listening to the guy?

[wanton dawn]

Do I want to listen to a 15 min video on vet aura ? No

Am not the target for those video anyway.

[calm shard]

I still like using scavenger on havoc to get that bit more ammo economy with shock trooper helbore

so the other guys can take the ammo

[wanton dawn]

It is still a very good aura, but come on the thumbnail...

[dry cloak]

Lasgun shock trooper vet and staff psyker are gluggers dream

[calm shard]

yeah

I've also definitely come around on movespeed aura

5% movement speed for free sure is pretty alright

fire team I haven't used much because 5% damage is so LAME

[wanton dawn]

the movespeed aura problem is tree position

same as ammo aura really, but even worse

[calm shard]

big pain when every single one of veterans best talents is in the middle tree for some fucking reason

so taking anything but VoC+Fire Team means wasting skill points to get essential skills

[dry cloak]

Nerf veteran or something

[wanton dawn]

I keep thinking ammo aura should be a loner type aura

aka self-buff only

[calm shard]

self-buff only but undo the nerf

vet gets ridiculous ammo sustain but only for themselves

[dry cloak]

Yes

[wanton dawn]

I don't think unerfing is necessary. But at least ppl would stop crying for ppl to take it

[dry cloak]

Or better yet give this aura to ogryn at tripple the effect no cooldown

[wanton dawn]

Zealot has the same problem now with corruption heal

Have to build themselves to take it in havoc

[dry cloak]

Its in my main build so idc

Aleo i dont play havov

[calm shard]

actually someone mentioned fuckin' "campfire skill" in ogryn chat

gunlugger aura should just be bardin's survivalist supplies from VT2

[dry cloak]

Yes

[calm shard]

specialists and elites killed have a chance to drop small ammo packs

with an even smaller chance to drop stimms as an augment

[dry cloak]

And beer/rashuns

[calm shard]

yeah of course

[dry cloak]

No stimms

Rashuns

[wanton dawn]

In any case, my problem is not it being too strong: it is about rando being annoying if you don't take it because it affects their own build

[calm shard]

anyways why is vet the only class that gets a penance cosmetic thats genuinely a new cosmetic

it's all just recolors for everybody else

SPEAKING of recolors I remember when this cosmetic was datamined on release

and there was a black version of it

give us that in the commissary you cowards

[dry cloak]

Ogryn cosmetics ,,evolve,, as you progress.

[calm shard]

yeah

they lose clothing

they get MORE naked

[dry cloak]

Yes

[calm shard]

and then this shit was datamined as a gunlugger penance cosmetic

but nah attach it to the penance system

clearly fatshark does not have enough cosmetics to make penance cosmetics actually worth your time

[dry cloak]

I run this coametic on taunt

[frank ether]

its because the goop mechanic is silly and need a small adjustment

should ideally have a very small grace window

[unreal nova]

You have to run 60% corruption resist as well. Or go full stupid and run both on Zealot, Just slide into goop to get to safety things.

[frank ether]

yes you can just run corruption aura and invalidate a modifier entirely but thats not very build friendly and this is kind of a general theme and weakpoint of havoc modifiers

the need to cook just a bit more

and lack of player agency in choosing difficulty I won't even bother complaining about, the dead horse is already corpse starch

[frank ether]

I didn't bother with more than the aura.

[unreal nova]

Some can run with that, I kinda prefer safety. Cos if you die, you aren't buffing team with the aura and other auras.

[frank ether]

if they die, they die.

[stoic thorn]

Lost an auric heresy match because of a kr*eger

[frank ether]

unless it was barrel off the map I don't see how you can blame a heresy loss on any single player

[stoic thorn]

Ascension riser 2nd train

Mf died

I was sniping

[frank ether]

this is going to sound rude but you can't blame your failures on randoms dying

if you failed a heresy its almost %200 guaranteed equal fault

[stoic thorn]

I blame it because he was a krieger smh

Oh wait he did do his job of dying

[grand perch]

The dunce cat speaks the truth

[calm shard]

need glasses

[grand perch]

The best way to learn from mistakes is to ask oneself what YOU could have done to prevent it