#veteran-class

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pastel yew
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I mean yesn't

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although the microtransaction side is scummy as hell

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all the actually important content is free

terse idol
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It is the issue of

pastel yew
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you're not having to pay for passes or mega grind to get access to new stuff

terse idol
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Yre it helps them keep the lights on

junior needle
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Because if fatshark started charging for it, they'd get an immense amount of bad press

pastel yew
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and if they just removed the shop rotation I wouldnt really be that aggro

junior needle
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Due to how shit the game was when it launched

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And how SLOW they are to actually do anything

pastel yew
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I'd spend more money on the game if there wasnt a stupid shop rotation...

terse idol
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Elden ring has shite built in coop

pastel yew
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I dont know why they gimp themselves this heavily there is no way it generates more revenue

junior needle
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The coop is meant to be supplementary to a single player experience, but conveniently mods can change that.

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Fatshark won't let us mod gameplay like that KEKW_ogryn

terse idol
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And elden ring is the sink or swim formula that doesn't need this kind of monetization

pastel yew
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honestly all from soft coop has always been jank n shite

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as much as I am a mega fan of their games

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and although elden ring is their strongest game for a first run

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man that game has 0 replayability

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when the dlc came out I actively had to force myself to replay it and was bored the entire time

terse idol
pastel yew
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so much is built on exploration which you cant really get repeat value on

junior needle
pastel yew
terse idol
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Gonna ne real elden ring has alot less to gain from winning a steam award

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Than darktide

pastel yew
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for sure

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not sure many people really pay attention to em tho

terse idol
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Its the sale consideration

pastel yew
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also since its like popular vote

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isnt it just always the big games that win?

terse idol
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And I'm playing the nihilist angle where people vote only by their wallets

junior needle
terse idol
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Rdr1 70 dollar port

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"Best soundtrack"

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Its a joke to get a potential sale

junior needle
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To their credit a dev does hang out in the modding discord and help people

pastel yew
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wait they ported rdr1??????????

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yooo

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why is it so expensiveeee

terse idol
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Yeah for FULL PRICE

pastel yew
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I guess you get the dlc for it

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but rough

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no graphical upgrades

terse idol
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Mhm

pastel yew
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I guess it opens up mods

junior needle
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But, they won't let mods change the actual gameplay which means no community overhauls (which would likely become much better than what fatshark puts out)

terse idol
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Again "best sound track" more like best sale

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Hoo boy

terse idol
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Its difficult considering it's mp

junior needle
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Just make a mod only version like VT2 did

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Hell, drg does it

terse idol
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FS is if anything scared of splitting the playerbase

pastel yew
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a valid concern given how unstable the numbers can get

junior needle
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That's because their incompetence continually leads to anemic player counts thumbsup_ogryn

terse idol
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And the whole ps5 players coming in

pastel yew
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I do hope when they come back from holiday we finally get like

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a good release schedule for new content

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as it's just been huge chunks of nothing

terse idol
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I mean i thought the crafting update was like great

calm shard
pastel yew
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so they can work on a console port and abandon their playerbase...

calm shard
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after being worthless for literal years

terse idol
pastel yew
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crafting update is cool but it didnt really do much for me

junior needle
pastel yew
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I'm spending about the same amount of currency to get weapons taht are marginally better

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just prettier stat blocks

terse idol
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Darktide has play testers literally driving the balance

pastel yew
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there's no conceivable logic for the changes they make

terse idol
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We're in a pretty balanced stage rn all things considered

junior needle
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The playtesters have input, but fatshark still does whatever they want

pastel yew
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they really finely carefully adjust some things

terse idol
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Auto pistol aisde

pastel yew
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then just turbo boost or nuke other things

junior needle
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Which is why recons were dogshit for so long and why the autopistol is still dogshit

pastel yew
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if I had to guess if there is a "team" responsible for this

terse idol
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Recons are good now doe no?

pastel yew
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its more just individual devs, some of whom know what they're doing and others who just wing it

terse idol
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The crafting update has largely assisted in well

junior needle
terse idol
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The biggest flawed system folks were complaining

terse idol
junior needle
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Wow look at that, fatshark does something after years of dragging their feet

terse idol
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And base content i guess

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The giant pendulum of recon balance

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That's okay

pastel yew
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people grinding for perfected weapons which cost infinitely more and are barely stronger than something easily acquired

terse idol
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I mean

pastel yew
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the only major flaw with the crafting system was tier locked blessings

terse idol
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Me as I chill

pastel yew
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flechette, surge, power cycler

long condor
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hey all, i like playing the big man and struggle to have fun playing anyone else. any builds yall recommend?

pastel yew
junior needle
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This is the vet channel

long condor
pastel yew
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yeah they're asking for non ogryn recommendations

terse idol
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Or well in many cases

junior needle
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Ohhhh, I misread that

terse idol
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You know what I mean

pastel yew
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any weapons you like the look of?

terse idol
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I gotta be positive regardless

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We in a neeew year

pastel yew
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wooo new year

junior needle
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We should all aspire to be more hiv positive, and less hiv negative

pastel yew
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this is gonna be a good year

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I can feel it

calm shard
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voc is so ass on melee vet though

terse idol
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Huh?

calm shard
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stagger everything and wow now you can't fuckin' melee headshot them

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great

pastel yew
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nah voc is best on melee vet?

long condor
terse idol
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Voc is just one of the best generalist ults in the fame

frank ether
calm shard
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I love lowering my dps, and having half the personal durability of stealth for questionable benefit

terse idol
frank ether
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and the tester bunch are not like a cabal there are mixed opinions

pastel yew
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also you absolutely can still melee headshot them, though its more about the safety it provides, also you'll be playing with your other melee nerds so you can boost em

terse idol
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That's goood

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I got at least 2 thoughts

pastel yew
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it excels at only horde clear and is sorta slow elsewhere

frank ether
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its not some super secret cabal of all tryhard elitists or all carebears who cant play the content they test etc like whatever reddit spews ignore it

junior needle
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Chainsword suggs against carapace

pastel yew
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I'd still run it with weapon spec even though I dont think everyone will agree, just because +25% attack speed is hillarious with a chainsword...

long condor
terse idol
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I feel like it's better that it's not just the same opinion in a room and folks do get their own differing feedback

terse idol
pastel yew
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though only really the power sword I find interesting

frank ether
pastel yew
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I think the combat blade is super fun

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also very strong

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though weak into horde

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the chainaxe is fun too but sorta harder to use

terse idol
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Still plenty of testers in here which imo is alot of what matters

calm shard
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combat blade is basically the same deal as dueling sword

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just y'know

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not as good

long condor
junior needle
terse idol
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Powersword has been eh

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Turning off on hit is rough

pastel yew
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same with the power sword

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power sword is a great all rounder

frank ether
terse idol
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Hopwfully when vet gets their patch for weapons that gets looked at

pastel yew
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good boss damage, good carapace kill speed, good horde clear

frank ether
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I mean in the end we ended up with recons being some of the best guns

pastel yew
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it''s not the best at any one thing but it it is really good at everything and requires no melee investment

terse idol
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Least as far as I rember

pastel yew
frank ether
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zero recoil death beams in havoc

terse idol
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Not as many as like rashad

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Uhhh

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Repi?

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Weakspot damage

frank ether
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I prefer laspistol on havoc personally but recons probably just better for infernus application

terse idol
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I gotta pull the guide KEKW_ogryn

frank ether
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and ease of use

terse idol
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Its more flexible

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Than rashad

pastel yew
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melee specific though

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since reciprocity and weakspot damage are basically always good

terse idol
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Imo repi at least for me can be a tough grab

pastel yew
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according to vet guide desperado is good

terse idol
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I'd have to look at my build

long condor
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as slab i run either heavy stubber or kickback with surgical for sniping, whats the vet equivalent?

pastel yew
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vet is really tight

frank ether
terse idol
pastel yew
terse idol
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With surgical and uhhh

junior needle
terse idol
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I forgor

pastel yew
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puncture maybe?

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I dont know the breakpoints for the boltgun

terse idol
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Pinning or something?

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I don't remeber the name

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Bistol with lp and puncture

junior needle
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There was nothing to be happy about, he lied to me

pastel yew
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puncture blegh...

terse idol
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2023 moment

pastel yew
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lethal prox + run and gun / surgical

frank ether
terse idol
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It took a while

pastel yew
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run and gun if you run weapon spec

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surgical if not

terse idol
pastel yew
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nah I thought the same but

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breakpoints changed

terse idol
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And rng is awkward af

pastel yew
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it used to be you needed DA for dog breakpoints and ragers

terse idol
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Tap sprint shoot bleck

pastel yew
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you can get rager breakpoints through other stuff now

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and dogs arent like 4000000 health anymore

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so DA fell off hard

long condor
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thank you all, ima start grinding that out now

pastel yew
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no reason not to run lethal prox

frank ether
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its hard to end up with a setup that can't handle ragers

pastel yew
frank ether
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outside of like shock maul I cant rly think of a melee that sucks at ragers

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and even shock maul its doable

pastel yew
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does the shock maul suck for ragers? I've not really had a chance to try it yet

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I Figured it'd be aight

frank ether
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I guess maybe I may have done it wrong at the time to be fair

pastel yew
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there are definitely weapons that are less safe for ragers but theres not one that just wont kill em I think

pastel yew
frank ether
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Chances are its probably fine on zealot but on veteran I had some bad fights vs large rager packs

pastel yew
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I just assumed such a heavy crowd control weapon wouldnt struggle

frank ether
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no stun when I wanted to and the special is a death trap if you're fighting more than just a single

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but you could always build your maul for the block meme I suppose, that could work. Maybe. Didn't try.

tawny timber
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in my experience fighting ragers with shock maul involved switching to ranged and kiting them lmao

pastel yew
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switching to range is almost always the easiest and fastest way to kill ragers to be fair

tawny timber
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its almost like its the less monkey brained solution

frank ether
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I find that it just doesnt feel as smooth as crusher bonking

pastel yew
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I very much stand for the "dont fight your enemies at their strongest" approach

tawny timber
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though I do enjoy beating them at their own game

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its tempting

frank ether
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then again crusher is pretty busted weapon

pastel yew
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crusher seems fun but like

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for its size its damage is so slow

tawny timber
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i recently tried crusher for first time since level 2 zealot and holy sigma

frank ether
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I brought it to some mid havocs

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like, rank 30

pastel yew
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like its really fast which isnt what I'd expect

frank ether
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it did fine

pastel yew
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I'd think more like... real slow hammer type weapon

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though generally I dont tend to like weapons that knock enemies around more than it kills them

tawny timber
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well realistically no weapon swings slow

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fuckin

pastel yew
still crater
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Crusher would be good its just an annoying moveset

tawny timber
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skyrim two handed weapons

pastel yew
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if you're including the time for charge n such

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cant member the crusher move set so cant really comment

tawny timber
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oh well yeah

pastel yew
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the weapon is super unpopular though

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you basically never see it

tawny timber
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i dont get why tbh

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its fun to use

pastel yew
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like I said for me its just a case of

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killing stuff is more fun than bashing it about

tawny timber
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ig thammer and relic blade kinda beat it

pastel yew
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I tend to prefer melee thats 1-2 shotting things

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big damage

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relic blade is insane

tawny timber
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if you think about it

pastel yew
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it's kinda wild how good at everything it is

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it also invalidates the thammer further...

tawny timber
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two handed swords were always going to be the ideal weapon for horde fighting

pastel yew
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as although that will nuke bosses

tawny timber
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look at vt2

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exec sword

pastel yew
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the relic blade really isnt that slow at killing them either, while being infinitely better at everything else

still crater
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And not having a massive debuff to using the powered mode

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And having an easier moveset

pastel yew
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honestly just rework the thunder hammers... have the activation be automatic on charged heavies

tawny timber
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they have the advantage over polearms of having simply more deadly area on them

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but also long reach

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and versatile techniques

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and speed

junior needle
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Apparently fatshark was just sitting on the changes for months too

tawny timber
junior needle
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They were ready to go, they just chose not to release them

tawny timber
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beeg sqword

pastel yew
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we dont do that here

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I'm still shook rather than fixing the aim bug

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they just

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reduced the sway or whatever to make it less of an issue

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this has been a known bug for the entire lifetime of the game

frank ether
calm shard
pastel yew
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but I think it also hits other guns

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the new ogryn stubber for example

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I'm not entirely sure on the specifics

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but theres something about moving while firing

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causes your weapon to jank and teleport around

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your aim will randomly snap back to center

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rather than fixing it they just adjusted the sway and recoil of the bolt weapons to lessen its impact though it still happens

junior needle
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I assume it has something to do with the game being held together with paper mache and used condoms

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As well as fatshark using unconventional methods of making gunplay work

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Which explains why recoil is so weird and jank in this game compared to other shooters

calm shard
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how would y'all build vet for knife

vernal trench
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@sick sluice

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pastel yew
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my havoc set up

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swapping out stealth for VoC depending on mission/party

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though for regular damnation I ditch a lot of stuff to get weapon spec

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no frags, no grenade tinkerer

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no demo team, then weapon spec and 3 of its support nodes

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could drop agile engagement if you wanted and grenade tinkerer to grab survivalist n save some points

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honestly it's a super flexible weapon though agile is... very good for it

calm shard
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my noodle brain always forgets to whip out the gun to shoot something for the free damage with agile engagement

pastel yew
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just remember which enemies you need the boost for

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if you are running weapon spec and have the guaranteed crit

calm shard
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I will not

pastel yew
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a melee kill lets you body shot gunners with grit

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if you kill something with bolt pistol

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agile lets you one tap shotgunners

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with the knife

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it's not a lot to keep track of and is a huge boost

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if you dont care for it though then yeah you can save a lot of points dropping it

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just drop most of the right side take voc, go down and be able to get weapon spec

calm shard
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oh hey that's convenient I usually remember to switch to ranged weapon to one shot shotgunners that are annoying and backwalking in crowds anyways

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I am not taking voc

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that ability is insanely boring, and even getting the penance for it was enough to put me off of it forever

pastel yew
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insanely boring yes but

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cheap

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and the things you can buy with those points are fun

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it's all a trade off really

calm shard
pastel yew
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for example though

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dropping stealth, agile engagment, speed aura

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will get you 5 skill points you can spend elsewhere

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which is a lot

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honestly I don't think stealth is that great I'm just bored of using voc too relax

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also the spppppeeeeeeeeeeed

calm shard
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why do you take low profile on stealth btw

pastel yew
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thats about it

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just for things like gloriana

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with a really aids first objective

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you could drop it if you dont care for it

calm shard
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gloriana's entire mission is fucked

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every single room of that mission feels like a deathtrap

pastel yew
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nah honestly I feel like once you get past barrel bridge and that first weird objective

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it gets a lot easier

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but before thats rough

light ridge
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Barrel bridge and then the big room event after it are rough, after that it becomes manageable

calm shard
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I have also had wipes to the absolute standing army of stalkers thats always after the first event

stoic thorn
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I really don't like gloriana

stoic thorn
pastel yew
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but barrel bridge is funny

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the rest of the map is so so

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the end events pretty good

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if a bit easy

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fun arena, neat aesthetic, varied objectives

crimson pebble
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carnival part 1 is still true peak

stoic thorn
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God I love ascension riser

pastel yew
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everything in that map is great except the end

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the end arena is so shit

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for carnival 1

stoic thorn
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What's carnival one again

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Blighted stimms?

pastel yew
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ends with the big coliseum

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yeah

stoic thorn
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Quite like that map too

pastel yew
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but the end room bugs out so you stand around with no enemies for ages at the end

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and it doesnt send ccrushers or varied enemies..

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you get like 3 ragers and a billion gunners

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thats it

stoic thorn
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Fair

pastel yew
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riser is fun

stoic thorn
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Thoughts on Baross?

pastel yew
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enjoyable, like that one too

stoic thorn
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It's peak imo

pastel yew
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that the one with the roof hold/

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three scanners

stoic thorn
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Consignment Yard?

stoic thorn
pastel yew
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consignment yard is fun when you get a boss

stoic thorn
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Aegis Station

pastel yew
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otherwise eh

crimson pebble
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theirs a lot of maps i feel like i havent played in ages cause theyre not in havoc

stoic thorn
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You ALWAYS get a boss

pastel yew
stoic thorn
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End event

pastel yew
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as I've played loads of auric damnation games without one

stoic thorn
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Once you finish clearing

pastel yew
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you always get one in the shower

stoic thorn
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Loud ass sound

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Boom

crimson pebble
stoic thorn
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Boss

pastel yew
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also man fucking

stoic thorn
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In the standard difficulty there's always a boss at the end

pastel yew
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riot

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havoc robbing me of my ranks man

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I've randomly lost ranks

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despite not losing runs

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I've not gained an increased rank

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after playing a higher tier mission

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wtff

stoic thorn
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God I love Consignment yard

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Guaranteed boss spawn

crimson pebble
pastel yew
stoic thorn
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But it's only the Plague Ogryn or Chaos Spawn

pastel yew
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despite having played one that week

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and

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the most recent game I joined was 2 higher, I completed it

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it said my rank increased

stoic thorn
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I don't seem to remember any Beasts of Nurgle spawning

pastel yew
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talk to the commisar... no increase

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it still says the highest I've completed this week is 20 which is just wrong

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this grind is so ass

stoic thorn
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Won't be touching havoc for now I think

pastel yew
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its in my tracker

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as won

stoic thorn
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I want to be able to comfortably complete auric damnation

pastel yew
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damnation is 21+

calm shard
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I think my favorite mission is Relay Station

pastel yew
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its literally impossible for the highest I've completed this week to be 20 BelieverCry

crimson pebble
# pastel yew both deranks have happened at the end of the week

its working in a way its not intended to atm the way its supposed to work is say you hit 40 all youd need to do to stay there is play atleast one game on someone elses a week the way its working rn tho is say you hit hav 40 then the next week you only play one match and its a have 25 itll reset you to hav 25 even

calm shard
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not because it's a good mission, quite the opposite

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It has the most dumb and funny out of bounds jumps of any map

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they've patched a few that I remember, but most of them are still there

pastel yew
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last week might highest was 20

stoic thorn
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Chat, do I still get the headstart if I complete an auric maelstrom even if I already checked into havoc

pastel yew
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the week resets and I got put to 19

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I lost a rank

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this week I play one, get back to 20... join another at 22 and then dont get the reward for that either

pastel yew
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doesnt hurt to check

stoic thorn
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Cool

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I am not fucking doing an auric maelstrom

crimson pebble
stoic thorn
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Not now

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Auric Damnation is already a pain for me

pastel yew
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also of my last 3 havoc assignments 2 of them have been gloriana BelieverCry

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why does this game hate me

crimson pebble
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id figure out auric before you start trying to get into havok

stoic thorn
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That's what I'm doing

pastel yew
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I'm not even sure if its worth doing mine now... or just waiting a week to see if I get set to 22... even though it hasnt tracked the mission

pastel yew
stoic thorn
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I'm trying to grind Aurics first

pastel yew
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22 was the first havoc I played where I thought.. wowee.. the enemies are.. actually doing damage

stoic thorn
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So I can steamroll havoc till 25

pastel yew
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shotgunner one banging me

stoic thorn
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10 million gunners versus my plasma vetovision

crimson pebble
pastel yew
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some conditions are worthless for sure

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like pox spreads

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I'm not even sure why that ones in

stoic thorn
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I think I've been getting better at Plasma

pastel yew
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it's kinda fun though

stoic thorn
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I've been able to hit crusher headshots semi consistently

crimson pebble
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fading light ,corruption and the ranged damage resist are the worst ones to have

pastel yew
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but in havoc 21+ you already got yeah

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fading light n damage resist

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plus double boss spawns

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and more of them

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I'd say thats harder than any auric maelstrom

crimson pebble
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having a supper gooped up reaper come around the corner unable to be stunned by even chorus and just mini gunning you

stoic thorn
pastel yew
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thammer support zealot sounds aight

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just to nuke the bosses

stoic thorn
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Or Chainaxe zealot

pastel yew
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I've grown to really appreciate chorus...

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cool team ability

stoic thorn
crimson pebble
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ill be real you will likely not have fun playing thammer in havoc

pastel yew
stoic thorn
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FNAF jumpscare them with FotF

pastel yew
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even I've sacrificed my offense to bring utility

stoic thorn
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God I love the Chaxe on zealot

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Bloodletter and skullcrusher or whatever

pastel yew
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sounds fun with fury+martyrdom

crimson pebble
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most high hav games dont want you unless you have Voc, chorus or bubble

pastel yew
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for all the attack speed

stoic thorn
pastel yew
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the meta slavery of havoc is definitely the worst part

stoic thorn
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I'm not able to use my Vetovision or fnaf thanmer jumpscare

pastel yew
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I mean the thammer is still good without fury of the faithful

stoic thorn
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As for psyker idk

pastel yew
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you also dont really need exec stance for plasma gun

crimson pebble
pastel yew
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I'm hype to see what fading light 2 is like

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fading light 1 should just be base game

stoic thorn
crimson pebble
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when youre being insta killed by a singler fading light 2 shooter not even a full fledged gunner

stoic thorn
pastel yew
#

there's no reason fading light 1 shouldnt be part of regular auric

pastel yew
#

no toughness invulnerability period

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and they do way more damage

crimson pebble
pastel yew
#

even a pleb scab shooter can be dangerous

stoic thorn
#

This shit so ass

pastel yew
pastel yew
stoic thorn
crimson pebble
#

reapers sound like they have actual mini guns

stoic thorn
#

I need my rocket wheelchair

pastel yew
#

some of the conditions are ass though

#

I really am not a fan of how pox hardened is implemented

stoic thorn
#

God I hate pox gas

pastel yew
#

pox gas also should be reworked

#

its such a boring condition

stoic thorn
#

Live ww1 trench experience

pastel yew
#

it doesnt make the game harder

#

it just means you're standing around waiting for 20 seconds for gas to leave

stoic thorn
#

Doesn't it spawn more health stims though

pastel yew
#

yeah exactly

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it makes the game easier

#

by first removing a condition that'd make it harder...

crimson pebble
# stoic thorn God I hate pox gas

hav also has a diff type gas modifer ontop of all the gas theyll send out waves of i shit you not like 15-20 tox bombers at a time

pastel yew
#

replacing it with something that does nothing

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then also giving you mad healing supplies to boot...

stoic thorn
#

DING

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PSSSHEWWW

#

Peak

crimson pebble
#

i fotf charged into a horde of them trying to stop them from gassing the whole map then they all simultaneously kicked me to death

stoic thorn
#

Should've used the vetovision smh

#

Me omw to use vetovision with my plasma gun (I am going to hit 3 poxwalkers and graze a gunner)

pastel yew
calm shard
pastel yew
#

god the specialist kick is so bm

crimson pebble
#

i was vet maining for prob like 4 months straight but when relic dropped it has been all iv really played

pastel yew
#

yeah relic swords cool

#

I've been too combat blade pilled though

crimson pebble
#

its also the only thing i used all the way too hav 40

pastel yew
#

honestly had very little interest in the weapon but since getting used to it I've been addicted

#

insanely good weapon

crimson pebble
#

knifes insane on all classes

calm shard
#

hell yeah ogryn knife

crimson pebble
#

i like it the most on vet tho cause you can run mercy killer and uncanny w it ontop of a 30% weakspot node for maximum cranial damage

pastel yew
#

nah I'm a precog gamer

#

anything that lets me one shot gunners more consistently...

#

I should try mercy killer though

#

I've not given it a fair shake as it sounds kinda awkward to use

#

either needing frags or a node I cannot really afford

#

I imagine the boss damage is insane

crimson pebble
#

the only reason ut works is cause the node vet has the gives one stack of bleed on melee hits

pastel yew
#

mhm

#

do you need to hit twice?

crimson pebble
#

and its really a bitch to build around to get that node

pastel yew
#

or does the initial hit applying bleed count for the damage boost

crimson pebble
#

second hit will have all your blessings procing

#

as youll need to hit weakspot once to start procing uncanny aswell

pastel yew
#

mmh mmh I see

crimson pebble
#

something you can do tho is run it w weapon specialist use double barrel and have manstopper and flechette so you can blast w shotgun to proc bleed so you can immediately put mercy killer to work the killing them w knife will have reloaded gun killing another two will then guarantee another crit for gun rinse repeat

#

ontop of manstopper absolutely mulching hordes

pastel yew
#

the double barrels fun but kinda rough on vet though

#

since you dont have access to like... throwing knives..

#

for convenient ranged elite clear

crimson pebble
#

its works the absolute best on vet out of everyone

pastel yew
#

idk I feel like weapon specialist boosts it the most

#

but zealot uses it fine

#

especially since they have already giga high crit, and throwing knives to make up for its other weakness

#

so it really comes down to do you wanna be weak against certain enemies? or do you wanna have to reload?

crimson pebble
#

w vet your getting guaranteed man stopper and flechete shots every time and not having to worry about reloading

#

and even if something is at range jusy use both shots

pastel yew
#

yeah which is definitely good but at least when I was using it whenever there were packs at mid to long range it felt pretty rough

#

you can play around that but

#

aaaa

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see something

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kill it now

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throwing knife... bop

crimson pebble
#

and with zealot if youre trying to build on optimal flamer over double barrel

pastel yew
#

flamer is giga boring on zealot though imo

#

really not a fan

hearty panther
#

db is so fun on zealot

pastel yew
#

think thats because I've used the purgatus staff which is just...

#

everything you'd want a flamer for but better and no ammo cost

hearty panther
#

also the only gun that actually maximizes The Emperors Bullet lol

crimson pebble
#

purgatus is insanity

pastel yew
#

maybe the new blessings are cool though

#

yeah it's stacked

#

I dont really rate it all that high in regular auric play because its slow and you dont need the defence it brings but

#

for havoc it seems to just bipass all of the conditions and fill an important role

crimson pebble
#

purg or trauma is definitely top picks for hav

calm shard
#

I like to consider myself an early bloomer with hating on the purgatus and flamer

image.png
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I also hate them and hate people using them in VT2 and have since even that game released

#

they are super not fun to have on your team

pastel yew
#

trauma staff is infinitely more hate worthy

calm shard
#

I would disagree primarily on the note that Flamers (without a mod) directly prevent anyone else from engaging in the game because they completely blind you

pastel yew
#

with ray tracing on yeah but

#

otherwise I wouldnt agree

calm shard
#

on top of being so overpowered that they kill everything more or less on their own

pastel yew
#

at least the regular flamer has ammo constraints

#

the purgatus is an odd choice

calm shard
#

Trauma is annoying if the person using it is irresponsible

pastel yew
calm shard
#

level 400 true survivor spamming trauma staff and doing like 20 damage and staggering shooters on havoc

#

while I'm trying to play exe stance vet

pastel yew
#

smite psykers and plasma gun vets who exclusively kill the things you engage in melee are a close second tho

calm shard
#

actual agony

pastel yew
#

psyker or ogryn >> lemme deal 2 damage to this thing and send it flying real quick

frank ether
pastel yew
#

get down mr president

frank ether
#

you just make melee vet with weapon specialist and go kaboom every once in a while

pastel yew
#

it's reload isnt exactly slow

frank ether
#

Eh, you're a veteran

#

you'll manage

pastel yew
#

there are lots of other weapons for weapons spec that are more fun too

#

like I wouldnt really use a bolt pistol on zealot

#

no where near as fun as on vet

frank ether
#

throwing knives arent even reliable in havoc

pastel yew
#

do they not reach one shot breakpoints anymore?

frank ether
#

need like, fkin 3 of them for a trapper

pastel yew
#

gross

#

on weakspot hit???

frank ether
#

there is this pus modifier that is ranged dmg resistance

crimson pebble
frank ether
#

and I'm pretty sure it applies to throwing knives

#

but not to something like say, shredder grenades, cause it does its damage as a dot

pastel yew
frank ether
#

and dots are exempt from that resistance

calm shard
# pastel yew gross

I've headshot a pus hardened trapper with a full charged MK IV helbore shot with 6 focus stacks and it didn't kill them

pastel yew
#

you need to single shoot twice to kill something at mid range

calm shard
#

pus hardened skin is insanely overtuned

pastel yew
#

and if you do that you have no shoot left for others in the same bracket

calm shard
#

(while in exe stance)

crimson pebble
calm shard
#

Hey I'm living the dream with helbores stupid high unyielding damage

#

it only takes me 3

pastel yew
#

I do hope pus hardened gets adjusted

#

I really dont like its current implementation

#

just limit the enemy types it can go on, and make them completely ranged immune

frank ether
#

I think ranged enemies shouldn't have it

#

thats the adjustment I'd make

calm shard
pastel yew
crimson pebble
#

problematic opinion they should make the scab gunners chest carapaced like they just did the ragers

ashen cosmos
#

is havoc stuff gonna be gone for good?

calm shard
#

huh

#

why would it be?

pastel yew
#

this changes very little for me

frank ether
#

rager change was good

ashen cosmos
pastel yew
#

it just means I'd have to start aiming with the boltpistol

#

at longer ranges

pastel yew
#

I dont play too much so the grind to 40 is rough especially when I get repeat scammed out of my progress

#

same with regular auric

#

played two maelstrom games a few days ago

#

and after the mission had ended they got aborted to an error so I got no resources

#

current state of the game is extremely frustrating

crimson pebble
pastel yew
#

wooo

#

though being only able to play 1-3 games every other day or so

#

and having those games count for nothing

#

Kleo🔫

crimson pebble
#

i had it happen twice before i said no darktide tonight

pastel yew
#

yeah

#

though this is now

#

4 ranks of havoc I've lost to bugs

#

not including the initial 13 I lost

#

played 5 games

#

then got reset back to 17

#

making those 5 games pointless also

light ridge
#

Can I directly run a Havoc 25 mission?

pastel yew
#

but you can join other people that are that high

#

I'm not sure if you'll get the rank though

#

you're supposed to but...

#

apparently its not working correctly

light ridge
#

I see

brittle turret
pastel yew
#

it has since come through though

#

just giga delayed

#

or rather

#

the rank by my name has updated

#

but my rank in the terminal hasnt

brittle turret
#

New years probably just blew the servers up

pastel yew
#

it still says my highest completed is 2 lower

brittle turret
#

@tall torrent Guide mostly read, still have a bit more to check but it's really well written, so thank you. Lots of obscure details in there that I wouldn't have learned any other way tbh.

#

So, build time.

#

What's the default for h40?
Probably focusing more on anti-armour and anti disablers for the most part.

Not using Ds4 or Zarona

#

And Plasma gun I'm a bit suspicious of because of ammo economy but perhaps it's fine?

dire olive
#

You wanna purge ranged units

#

If you're worried about ammo go laspistol/helbore

calm shard
#

helbore is just a plasma gun with (almost) infinite ammo that takes forever to swap to

vernal trench
#

Hellbore is good i likenit

latent parcel
vernal trench
vernal trench
latent parcel
#

im playn rn

#

wya

#

got my meta loadout on

vernal trench
#

Im taking a break

#

Losing all game

#

Day

latent parcel
#

thats cuz ur not running meta

vernal trench
#

Thats true

latent parcel
#

and u forgot to put metaman in ur backpack

vernal trench
#

I let him out

latent parcel
#

yup

vernal trench
#

Thats why i been losing

#

Not the guy i has to revive 11 times and rescue twice earlier

latent parcel
#

LOL

vernal trench
#

Had

latent parcel
#

hey man hes meta

#

he knows what hes doing

vernal trench
#

Wouldnt have happened if he was the metaman

#

Na cuz he actaully pulled out his flame

#

He wasnt meta

latent parcel
#

that sounds sus

#

who uses the flamer

vernal trench
#

He uses it for spiritual support

#

Will u be on in the afternoon or evening later?

latent parcel
#

im pubbin rn

#

with my meta psword bistol

vernal trench
#

We got to the end in mercentile when the guy went out to press the button and died and we all lost

#

We were like a minute or two from winning💀

steady wolf
#

the recon las 6c:

sleek garden
#

It's crazy that between all of the explicitly anti armor weapons in the game the best is just a sword

calm shard
#

don't forget the knife

steady wolf
#

A superspeed poke at that...

sleek garden
#

not a pulverizing hammer or giant ultra sharp chainsaw

steady wolf
#

Yeah I use combat knife tbh, it's pretty good at deleting crushers too

#

not to mention bleeding bosses if need be

calm shard
sleek garden
#

what

#

That's like the one thing it can't do

steady wolf
#

Lasguns are also way cooler and ammo efficient chadgryn

sleek garden
#

Wait he said autoguns

#

I am illiterate...

steady wolf
#

IAG ye

sleek garden
#

he must be a talking about vraks

#

The other ones are normal guns

calm shard
#

it's alright

image.png
#

and yes vraks

#

probably my favorite gun in this game

sleek garden
#

I like the Columnus because I aim at head level and crouch and stuff dies pretty quick

calm shard
#

pocket buzzsaw

sleek garden
#

Why does your gun have a side mount grip

calm shard
#

huh

#

what about it

image.png
#

weapon customization mod

steady wolf
#

wtf he playin call o doody

sleek garden
#

that is ugly

calm shard
#

mostly use it because the sights on some of these guns are garbage

image.png
sleek garden
#

But I see

steady wolf
#

and he cheatin'!! oh muhhh gawwww

calm shard
#

yeah the side grip is kinda fugly should get rid of it

sleek garden
#

the infantry autoguns have some of the nicer iron sights though

calm shard
#

though not the IAG sights because I actually unironically use them on my helbore

#

I just felt a reflex on a carryhandle would be more neat

sleek garden
#

You will never be AUG with built in scope

calm shard
#

I was more thinking vietnam M16s with the built in scope

sleek garden
#

I see

calm shard
#

also another big plus of the weapon customization mod is putting a flashlight on any ranged weapon

sleek garden
#

You would trade up bonking people with the headhunter rifle butts for a flashlight

#

Why

#

Also wouldn't that look strange in multiplayer

calm shard
#

it's client side

#

other people don't see the flashlight

#

just you do

#

as far as they're concerned you're just a nightsider and can see in the dark

#

usin' fuckin echolocation or whatever those weirdos do

desert isle
calm shard
#

about the same as a normal flashlight

sleek garden
#

They have different types of flashlights now

#

Which one is it similar to

calm shard
#

you can just pick whichever flashlight you want

image.png
#

it does disable the normal weapon special if it has one though

tawny badger
#

I fw it

calm shard
#

how did that thing fit 100 rounds in that magazine btw

#

where do they go?

#

you're telling me that normal ass magazine it has

1000.png
#

fits 100 rounds of ammunition?

faint beacon
#

I’d rather keep the bash

#

It saves you so much trouble with surprise disablers or bursters

#

Cause it has hard stagger

calm shard
#

uh

#

just to make sure

#

you are aware basically every single melee weapon in this game has an instant swap speed right?

faint beacon
#

And besides sometimes it’s so instant you need that bash

#

I’ve had a handful of moments where swapping to my knife would get me killed over bashing the burster

pastel yew
faint beacon
#

It’s literally another safety net basically

pastel yew
#

going down once or twice, fair play yknow sometimes you get unlucky, sometimes you just have a bad game

faint beacon
#

And I’ll take them as minor as they could be

pastel yew
#

but to go down that much you have to have willingly signed up for something you cant handle...

#

and being on your knees all game cant be fun

faint beacon
#

That or they’re astonishingly patient

calm shard
#

at least in a scenario where you wouldn't have died anyways

pastel yew
#

though whenever I see these players they normally join alone and are solo queued

faint beacon
#

Shit where they genuinely catch you off guard

#

Bash, Dash back and it’ll save you

vernal trench
calm shard
#

okay but bursters when the game doesn't forget to play their audio are kinda impossible to be surprised by

vernal trench
#

I love silent bursters

faint beacon
#

You say this when I’ve been on guard and hear it go off mentally preparing only to see the fucker nose dive around a corner at my teammate next to me LMAO

pastel yew
#

silent bursters are like

#

giga giga giga rare though

faint beacon
#

Again I’d rather take the bash

pastel yew
#

unless its a hardware issue the community really overblows how common it is

calm shard
#

yeah because they're specials they can just appear somewhat nearby around corners

primal zealot
#

It might be lol

faint beacon
#

I’ll have to test to see if it still effects S Ragers

calm shard
#

However one instance where they are ALWAYS silent is a decently common one

vernal trench
faint beacon
#

Seeing they got changed to Cara

primal zealot
#

I only found out that scriers makes noise like 3 days ago

calm shard
#

When a Poxburster has just spawned inside a doorway

#

they don't make their ticking noise, or anything

pastel yew
#

and its to do with spawn doors, and tilesets having weird errors when used in newer maps

#

so if you stand on a spawn door you might get silent insta flopped

#

but outside of that it's set places and I can only really think of two

faint beacon
#

Anyways bursters are the bigger obviously use bash against but I’ve used it against maulers where they’ve tracked me around corners to stop them from overheading

#

It’s just genuinely useful to give yourself a second

pastel yew
#

one on the first carnival map, in the big courtyard with the med station

#

and the uhh... noble.. upper hive place

#

the variant where the bridge is already down

faint beacon
#

Flamers? If they get in your face yeah but that’s usually just a shoot or stab them moment

#

Honestly I’ve never bothered risking bashing hounds I should test that when I get home

#

But I’d safely assume it be useful for instant pounce hounds

calm shard
#

hounds have a very generous window for pushing them

#

though I usually find it's better to sidestep and just behead them mid leap

pastel yew
calm shard
#

saves time

#

yeah except on corners because those cheating fucks will skip their animations

pastel yew
#

for whatever reason if you're both on a corner they can insta pounce with no wind up

#

and since no travel time get fucked ig

#

I wonder what causes that bug its pretty odd

#

it's not the worst as you can play around it when you know it exists but the first few times it happened was frustrating

hearty panther
pastel yew
calm shard
#

actually speaking of silent specials I wanna use this opportunity to bitch about dreg bomber audio again

faint beacon
#

Sometimes they just fucking explode at doors

calm shard
#

what the FUCK is wrong with them

faint beacon
#

It’ll literally just open

pastel yew
#

honestly deserved though

faint beacon
#

The idiot is standing there

pastel yew
#

spawn camping enemies through a wall, I deserve to get sploded randomly

faint beacon
#

And just explodes instantly with 0 warning

#

Lmao

pastel yew
hearty panther
#

its actually very easy to avoid

pastel yew
#

no flop just explode without being damaged

calm shard
#

I swear I literally only hear dreg bomber audio queues when nothing else is going on. They completely get drowned out by even the quietest shit

faint beacon
#

“I think I should die now”

pastel yew
#

mmh I've just learned to avoid doors

faint beacon
#

💥

pastel yew
#

there are very few doors that can't just be avoided

#

refinery delta

#

I think

#

this one

#

is the worst for it

#

right at the start of the map, theres that elevator you go up

#

with the health station, and the door to the broken balcony drop down

#

that door right there is fucked for bomber spawns

faint beacon
#

Oh that area

pastel yew
#

since you cant reasonably avoid them

hearty panther
#

Smelter Complex actually

pastel yew
#

you need to walk right past the door

faint beacon
#

Yeah that’s why I immediately get away from it

hearty panther
#

has three and one silent wall because of map reconfigure

primal zealot
#

Yea fuck that door

#

We’re not spawn camping lol it has nothing to do with balance

pastel yew
#

mhm mhm

vernal trench
pastel yew
#

it's just bad placement

primal zealot
#

And actually fuck refinery that map sucks week old moldy diarrhea

pastel yew
#

I've not experienced it

calm shard
vernal trench
#

refinery delta is a pretty good and easy map tho

#

Chasm terminus tho and vigil station

hearty panther
calm shard
#

I like using the barrels in the final section to get on the top layer

pastel yew
#

refinery delta is kinda dry... I like the big hangers and I like the end event

#

the end event is cool

#

my first havoc game with my friend ended with us finishing it duo because our team left

#

giga fun game

pastel yew
#

the map has a lot of weird geometry, I'm struggling to think of areas it shares in common beyond the uhh

#

weird middle bit?

#

with the cage wall bridge...

#

and the strange upper secondary path

hearty panther
#
  • Beginning of Smelter Complex, on the high ground of the split-level area, specials spawn to the right from a set of catwalks and drop down. Bursters can spawn up there and instantly jump/detonate you, but only from the left-hand catwalk.
  • The mid-event waiting for the elevator to come, due to redesigning the space, there's a set of double-doors where enemis spawn now instead of the fence that used to exist and be vaulted over. Bursters can spawn and instantly jump.
  • The second medicae you reach after killing the first daemonic growth (after leaving the previous elevator) -- you go up a slim hall of stairs before reaching another drop. There's a door right behind that drop off point where Bursters can spawn and instantly jump.
  • The large open room after the next airlock (after the above drop off) is fucked up in a bunch of places since they completely gutted/redesigned that room. You'll still hear specials, but the sound is still trying to propagate around walls and floors that no longer exist so a Special that's on the upper level which you can see with direct line of sight from below will sound exceptionally far off.
#

That third one has always existed since launch. People continue to whack through the door and into the spawn point and often kill themselves outright if two Bursters spawn into the spot. Especially fucking funny if it happens after their entire team already dropped down but they didn't.

#

And that first one is exceptionally rare. You have to be hugging the wall right underneath that catwalk. That's the only time you will be close enough to be in jump range for the Burster to just spawn > jump instantly

sleek garden
#

i can knock over ragers with a charged hit

#

i just wish the three round burst was kinda better

vernal trench
#

I hate silent bursters

faint beacon
#

And how the Agri 9 kinda just

#

Silently took its place

#

As the best burst variant

sleek garden
#

do you think no respite might actually be good on three round burst

#

if your first shot manages to stagger

#

or is it better to take deadly accurate and have 3 double damage shots to the head every now and then

faint beacon
#

Not really no sadly

#

I did testing with Stagger BPs

#

Agri outdoes it with its stagger

#

So I could see you arguing it with Agri not the 3 round

#

So I insist on DA HH combo

sleek garden
#

im using ghost i like to shoot people that shoot back

#

i shall take it into the current auric maelstrom

faint beacon
#

If you for some reason insist on using NR

sleek garden
#

no i put deadly accurate on it

faint beacon
#

Use Agri 9 or Graia 7

sleek garden
#

and a 5% crit chance refinement

#

to make up for no headhunter

#

wait no respite and using bash a lot could be funny

#

i cant kill a flamer with a three round burst to the head

dry cloak
#

vigilant autoguns are bad

serene bough
#

Yeah they need some help

#

I don't see many autoguns in general anymore

ocean idol
#

What enemies are considered armored for the purpose of Armourbane penance?

dry cloak
serene bough
#

Anything with flak

#

And cara, true

faint beacon
serene bough
#

I dont see much of a reason to use autoguns over las weapons on vet, vraks5 is still good but I think recon overshadows it now

formal ice
sleek garden
#

im using precision strikes on my headhunter autogun with exy stance and i cant kill flamers to the head

#

that sucks

formal ice
#

It will give the same results

ocean idol
serene bough
dry cloak
dry cloak
ocean idol
formal ice
dry cloak
#

they count too

formal ice
#

What is that

serene bough
#

Recon seems better

terse idol
#

Recons good

sleek garden
#

i will now try the two shot mark

serene bough
#

Not that autoguns aren't good

formal ice
dry cloak
#

infatry lasguns and helbores are rather bad compared to bolter and plasma

serene bough
#

HHA or iLas id prefer ilas, iag vs recon id take recon, for more cqc id prefer laspistol over others

hollow ibex
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Autoguns still have higher dps than recon

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But way worse ammo economy

dry cloak
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recons have ammo efficiency

terse idol
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But no supporting talents like shocktrooper or a blessing like infernus

hollow ibex
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Yes

sleek garden
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i like the columnus infantry autogun

serene bough
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And brauto & shredder pistol id never consider on vet lol

terse idol
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Shredder stimky

serene bough
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I know some people exe stance brauto, but why

sleek garden
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its quite sad the state of shredder

terse idol
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I swear the shredder is just a throw away weapon with how fs has treated it

sleek garden
terse idol
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Its a ganger weapon so it's supposed to be shit

sleek garden
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bigger damage

steady wolf
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i actually really like shredder......

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dry cloak
sleek garden
terse idol
serene bough
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I dont see why id bring a brauto on vet over other las options

terse idol
steady wolf
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jokes aside I did just join laspistol 2 + power sword 6 gang 😤

serene bough
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And for autoguns, why id bring over a vraks5

terse idol
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As what is essentially a side arm

dry cloak
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agrip iag is good

serene bough
steady wolf
terse idol
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I don't thiiinkk so

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Considering you do have support ilas